With BGG weights: - Five Tribes: 2.85 - Raiders of the North Sea: 2.53 - Pulsar 2849: 3.35 - Energy Empire: 3.03 - Architects of the West Kingdom: 2.76 - The Pursuit of Happiness: 2.49 - Empires of the Void II: 3.46 - Vindication: 3.07 - Viticulture: 2.89, Tuscany: 3.27 - Terramara: 3.43 - Scythe: 3.42 My subjective view: half of this list feels quite heavy to me. For medium-light games I would recommend: Pan Am, War Chest, Clank!, Machi Koro 2, Parks, Search for Planet X, Isle of Cats, Wingspan, Cascadia
10. Five Tribes 9. Raiders of the North Sea 8. Pulsar 2849 7. Energy Empire 6. Architects of the West Kingdom 5. The Pursuit of Happiness 4. Empires of the Void II 3. Vindication 2. Viticulture + Tuscany(expansion) 1. Terramara Patrion Choice: Scythe
I agree that medium-weight games are my sweet spot! I love the ease of play coupled with the wide range of choices. Plus, their play time is generally not too long.
I agree with you about Scythe. Once a game is understood by the players it becomes medium weight, but anyone wanting to upgrade from light weight games would not consider Scythe medium.
This might be the best top 10 you did. Medium weight games are the sweet spot for my group, we mostly moved past light weight games awhile ago. I feel like categorizing games as light, medium or heavy is not really descriptive enough, I really like the idea of the 1-5 complexity rating that bgg has. I wasn't surprised by most of the games on your list, except your number one, I actually never heard of it. I was also expecting to Empires of the North on the list, I ordered it recently and haven't had the chance to play it cause my wife only wants to play Underwater Cities since we recieved the expansion in that same package. Everytime you mention pursuit of happiness, it puts me on the fence about getting it but my wife is very finicky with the theme in more complex games. I would like to see your list of too heavy-medium games also, I think that would make a good list as well.
Well I only do light, medium and heavy - adding more categories just makes it too complicated. Underwater Cities for example is heavy through and through, but Empires of the North I actually consider a light game - remember that it's easier to pick up and play then Imperial Settlers and that's only just a medium weight game.
Really excellent list Luke, some really different picks here, I like heavy games but I play most of my games with Emma my partner and we gravitate to medium games that is our sweet spot I have to admit. We love PULSAR 2849 and ENERGY EMPIRE. We also love TERRAFORMING MARS, CASTLES OF BURGUNDY which we see as medium, I guess they are the heavier end of medium but we also love WINGSPAN which is to the lighter end but still medium, we found this much harder to teach to non-gamers than we expected! You have sold me on EMPIRES OF THE VOID must get this. Some of your other picks are interesting must check those out.
Once again, this is a great list Luke!!! Empires of the Void II is also my favorite space games! I love the components, gameplay, artwork, and smoothness of this game. I also love the follow a player's action mechanism that it provides. I still haven't played Terramarra and Pulsar 2849, but I have both games in shrink. They will get played eventually, and I'm sure I'll love them both. Thanks Luke!!!
For me a heavy game is about how much info you need to process to play it and is directly correlated to the rule book / explanation length. I don't include strategies, so I don't consider chess an heavy game. Keep up the good work and stay safe during this difficult time !
My 1st thought was Vindication, happy to see your rank. Havent played Viticulture or PoH yet and them having solo is enough to seal the deal. (I love to learn a game solo as it makes the teach so much easier)
"Light" is not a term I use to describe Five Tribes. There's a lot going on with the game that may cause analysis paralysis. I feel Scythe can be the same way.
Usually love your videos and your well defined taste in games, but this one is a winner, my wishlist grew a ton after watching it lol. Thanks for all the content!
One of my favorite mid-weight games not mentioned here is Grand Austria Hotel. Great list, Luke! Sad that I will never get to play Terramara. I would love to try it sometime, but I play almost exclusively 2-player.
Excellent list man! You definitely have similar taste in games to myself. I've been wanting to get Empires of the Void 2 for a while now. Really enjoy Ryan's games but something about EOTV just looks incredible!
My definition of medium weight is a little less strict than yours. Champions of Midgard, Raiders of the North Sea, Agricola, Near and Far, Clank, Wingspan are my favorites. I really wanna try Viticulture and Terrahamara
Hi Luke! Great video once again! Quick question(s) for you. I am starting to play Arkham Horror LCG and I know you like it. For now I have the core box (finished) and the Dunwich Legacy expansion (finished first scenario). Where do you buy your Mythos packs? They are crazy expensive. Amazon does not have them all and the ones available cost at times 20+ pounds. That is expensive for 1 scenario only. I finished the core box with Roland (Guardian) and I am currently playing Dunwich Legacy with Ashcan Pete (Survivor). I am enjoying both maybe Ashcan better. What is your favorite class? Thank you.
@@RooRichyI can recommend compare prices and get a good overview on this site: boardgameprices.co.uk/item/search?search=arkham+horror+the+card+card+game Just bought a lot of the dunwich cycle from ''the spelvogel'' in Belgium. They had a lot available and delivered very fast to me here in Germany
Wow. This list was incredible. All the games you have have been on my radar to play or have in my collection. I didn't know about your number 1, Terramara, so I hopped over to your review and looks like a good game. I guess you are like me, I'm looking for games that are not too hard, not too long, fun and want to play again and again. So, med-weight is where I want to be. There's a game that has been on my radar that you didn't mention on your list, but wanted your thoughts, is "Crown of Emara." Have you played it? Thanks and thanks for all your videos.
Many thanks! 😊 I do know it, can't recall if I reviewed it or not, might be worth searching on my channel for it. It's OK but it's a super generic Euro, doesn't really offer anything new.
This was a really cool list. For your #1 you listed things that makes it an appealing and successful game. Do you have a top 10 list for that-like top ten “things” (not sure how to word it) that make games successful? Like game art, game mechanics, # of players, right balance of challenge, replay ability, etc. This wouldn’t really be a list of games but a list of the features of successful games, I guess. If you were to design a game, what does it need to have?
I don't have a specific list but I did abandon an old list which was Top 10 Things I Love In A Board Game - this was more a personal thing as who am I to say what makes a game successful. Maybe I should resurrect it?
I love that I have never played a game from your list, but want to play them all now (I do own Viticulture...). My favourite medium game of all time is Concordia. Have you played it?
Nice list! I'm really curious about Terramarra now. Unfortunately, even if I buy it, it will be a while before I can play it with anybody....Also, since our tastes in games are somewhat alike, have you ever played Unfair and would you recommend it? I know exactly how you feel about the isolation part, esp living alone, all the days are starting to blend together.
I have played Unfair, but can't recommend it. It's a cool premise and theme, but it's very fiddly in operation and it drags on far too long especially with the max player count.
Excellent list and I'd agree with you that these are all spot on in my eyes, at least the ones I have played. I know you're really not a fan but to me Concordia is slap-bang in the middle of medium-weight. Pretty easy to pick up but still a lot to consider. What do you think?
I found it pretty light in its base form, especially as I find some of the scoring methods aren't worth the cardboard, but I wouldn't argue it to death.
Nice list Luke! I met you at Essen last year, was really fun to say hi to you at the Dice Tower booth. I also love Terramara. No love for Grand Austria Hotel on this list? /Felix from Sweden
So the wife and I have gotten Viticulture to the table in the last week from this list. I had not thought about Vindication, but I guess we can try it at 2. The only 2 you missed for my list is Gugong and Rajas of the Ganges. Solid list otherwise! Not sure Empires of the Void 2 would play at two?
Empires is fine at two but better with more. Vindication scales OK but again I think maybe better with more. I didn't latch on to Gugong really, but Raja's was on my short list, would be in the teens.
Hang in there dude. I’ve been holed up with wife and kids for two weeks now, only going out for groceries and the occasional walk around the neighborhood. I miss my game groups, my friends. Wife and kids aren’t gamers, except for my son who like a game of Kamisado once in a blue moon, so my gaming is restricted to solo games. Apart from that, I’m not alone, but we do get more on each other’s nerves than usual. Lockdown is a PITA, but it’s necessary to stop this nasty bug from spreading. Which makes me wonder, have you ever discussed whether you like Pandemic?
Ouch - surrounded by others who aren't gamers! I like Pandemic fine, I own the Iberia one and have enjoyed the Legacy versions - it's just not the powerhouse it once was.
It's OK I was never blown away by it or Terra Mystica, but it's just a fiddly rule set, bone dry and devoid of any theme. So I would always pick a more thematic heavy game.
@@TheBrokenMeeple I tend to lean towards heavy, thinky games. Other heavy, thinky games have stronger theme. A Feast for Odin's theme is a heavy game where the theme fits the game like a glove. When my friend and I were teaching his girlfriend how to play, all of our explanations of the rules could fall back on theme. For example, if you go hunting, if your hunt doesn't go well, you'll need to spend more resources (wood) or you might loose more tools for hunting or fishing, larger tasks require more workers, or how in order to explore larger or more distant Islands, you need larger ships suited for the task. I consider designing a game, and as I tip-toe through the process of game design, I keep asking myself, "does this fit thematically?"
@@TheBrokenMeeple I just tried it and it's just the average of people voting between 1 to 5. Obviously the more vote the more precise the notation, for Scythe since it's a popular game there are currently 1902 votes and you can see how many people voted each number. The calcul is pretty simple. I think it's an accurate representation of the general feeling people have. Also, why I agree with this number, my mom who is more into Azul and other games that weight can play Scythe because of how much the mechanism are simple to teach.
I dont think you need to struggle with people about how to cluster a game concerning the weight. The only thing I would struggle with is that there is no three weights (light, medium, heavy). IMO, BGG is a great source but IMO still five weights (light, medium light, medium, medium heavy, heavy) is not enough. But concerning the BGG weight, you need to consider that a part of the players tend to rate games too low concerning the weight. E.g. take a look at the weight of Paladins of the West Kingdom. There are 246 votes. from those, 5 obviously are subjective idiots (light? medium light?) Even those 99 (40%) who rate medium dont seem to recognize that while the game is not that hard to learn, it's definetely hard to get a good score or even win...and that game definetely is a brain burner from time to time. There are games out there which are not (too) heavy concerning learning how to play BUT which are heavy concerning actually winning (no matter if playing solo or not). IMO, heavy games at least start with a BGG weight of 3.5. Seems weird because from definition perspective that is still between medium and medium heavy, BUT as I explained above, there seem to be a lot of players who can't really objectively rate a game. Just because I'm a very experienced player, that doesnt mean that a heavy game suddenly is medium or that a medium game is light. BGG should be there to be an information platform to other people and not to show that one is a king of games by rating games lower than they actually are. I would even let it start with 3.25 which are more like medium+ games. From 3.25 to 3.5 are games as Agricola, Power Grid, Yokohama, Scythe, Arkham Horror: The Card Game, Eldrich Horror, Nemesis. So those are just between medium and heavy. But as there are not that many really heavy games, one could/should put those game rather in the heavy spot. Examples: - you can easily play Agricola with most people. BUT beginners are gonna lose heavily because they would already have problems to feed the family...and as concequence would become frustrated.
Please describe a situation when it´s necessary to have artwork from Empires of the Void 2 on the walls. ;-) I just can´t think of many reasons on the top of my head...
I was so disappointed that my wife (who loves wine) didn't even want to give Viticulture a try. I would have loved to do so. She's just not at all drawn to any board game. Those who have spouses who are should be glad of it. Not all do.
I debated over whether that was medium or light and concluded it was on the upper borders of Light because it's easier to play then Imperial Settlers and at the end of the day doesn't have a ton of rules in it.
I thought of this as well but came to the same conclusion as Luke rating it just shy of medium. I have been playing it solo while on lockdown here in Los Angeles and it's great fun. I've set it up twice in the last 2 weeks and switching clans ended up playing multiple games both times.
It's on that borderline, but I think the ability do well at the game is not one that the players will be able to grasp in 1-2 games especially if they use Nordic or the black faction which are considerably less effective. Hence I bump it to heavy.
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With BGG weights:
- Five Tribes: 2.85
- Raiders of the North Sea: 2.53
- Pulsar 2849: 3.35
- Energy Empire: 3.03
- Architects of the West Kingdom: 2.76
- The Pursuit of Happiness: 2.49
- Empires of the Void II: 3.46
- Vindication: 3.07
- Viticulture: 2.89, Tuscany: 3.27
- Terramara: 3.43
- Scythe: 3.42
My subjective view: half of this list feels quite heavy to me. For medium-light games I would recommend: Pan Am, War Chest, Clank!, Machi Koro 2, Parks, Search for Planet X, Isle of Cats, Wingspan, Cascadia
10. Five Tribes
9. Raiders of the North Sea
8. Pulsar 2849
7. Energy Empire
6. Architects of the West Kingdom
5. The Pursuit of Happiness
4. Empires of the Void II
3. Vindication
2. Viticulture + Tuscany(expansion)
1. Terramara
Patrion Choice: Scythe
I agree that medium-weight games are my sweet spot! I love the ease of play coupled with the wide range of choices. Plus, their play time is generally not too long.
I agree with you about Scythe. Once a game is understood by the players it becomes medium weight, but anyone wanting to upgrade from light weight games would not consider Scythe medium.
This might be the best top 10 you did. Medium weight games are the sweet spot for my group, we mostly moved past light weight games awhile ago. I feel like categorizing games as light, medium or heavy is not really descriptive enough, I really like the idea of the 1-5 complexity rating that bgg has. I wasn't surprised by most of the games on your list, except your number one, I actually never heard of it. I was also expecting to Empires of the North on the list, I ordered it recently and haven't had the chance to play it cause my wife only wants to play Underwater Cities since we recieved the expansion in that same package. Everytime you mention pursuit of happiness, it puts me on the fence about getting it but my wife is very finicky with the theme in more complex games. I would like to see your list of too heavy-medium games also, I think that would make a good list as well.
Well I only do light, medium and heavy - adding more categories just makes it too complicated. Underwater Cities for example is heavy through and through, but Empires of the North I actually consider a light game - remember that it's easier to pick up and play then Imperial Settlers and that's only just a medium weight game.
Really excellent list Luke, some really different picks here, I like heavy games but I play most of my games with Emma my partner and we gravitate to medium games that is our sweet spot I have to admit. We love PULSAR 2849 and ENERGY EMPIRE. We also love TERRAFORMING MARS, CASTLES OF BURGUNDY which we see as medium, I guess they are the heavier end of medium but we also love WINGSPAN which is to the lighter end but still medium, we found this much harder to teach to non-gamers than we expected! You have sold me on EMPIRES OF THE VOID must get this. Some of your other picks are interesting must check those out.
Once again, this is a great list Luke!!! Empires of the Void II is also my favorite space games! I love the components, gameplay, artwork, and smoothness of this game. I also love the follow a player's action mechanism that it provides. I still haven't played Terramarra and Pulsar 2849, but I have both games in shrink. They will get played eventually, and I'm sure I'll love them both. Thanks Luke!!!
You're welcome and yes, great games to get played! Hopefully despite the crisis you can find a way!
@@TheBrokenMeeple Indeed! I did get to play Russian Railroads for the first time last Saturday on Board Game Arena, and loved the game!
For me a heavy game is about how much info you need to process to play it and is directly correlated to the rule book / explanation length. I don't include strategies, so I don't consider chess an heavy game.
Keep up the good work and stay safe during this difficult time !
My 1st thought was Vindication, happy to see your rank. Havent played Viticulture or PoH yet and them having solo is enough to seal the deal. (I love to learn a game solo as it makes the teach so much easier)
Both games can be learnt well from solo mode, especially Pursuit of Happiness as the only thing that changes really is your scoring incentive.
A bloke could build his entire collection around this list. Excellent!
It would be a solid collection! Thanks!
Great content, as always. Five Tribes is my personal #1. Also, I'd probably have put The Ancient World SE and Tash Kalar on that list as well.
Thank you for including timestamps!
Enough people demanded it! :-) And if it means I don't have to constrict the length of my Top 10's too much it's a compromise! :-)
"Light" is not a term I use to describe Five Tribes. There's a lot going on with the game that may cause analysis paralysis.
I feel Scythe can be the same way.
Definitely agree. Only a member of Mensa would call Five Tribes a light game.
Usually love your videos and your well defined taste in games, but this one is a winner, my wishlist grew a ton after watching it lol. Thanks for all the content!
One of my favorite mid-weight games not mentioned here is Grand Austria Hotel. Great list, Luke! Sad that I will never get to play Terramara. I would love to try it sometime, but I play almost exclusively 2-player.
I was OK with GAH, but its dryness didn't keep me hooked beyond a few games.
Excellent list man! You definitely have similar taste in games to myself. I've been wanting to get Empires of the Void 2 for a while now. Really enjoy Ryan's games but something about EOTV just looks incredible!
My definition of medium weight is a little less strict than yours.
Champions of Midgard, Raiders of the North Sea, Agricola, Near and Far, Clank, Wingspan are my favorites.
I really wanna try Viticulture and Terrahamara
I’ve never even seen your #1 and #2. Thanks for exposing me to new games!
Really you've not seen the #2? Dang, that should be relatively easy to pick up.
Beside wingspan terramarra is my favourite of 2019
Good list Luke!
Vindication is one of my overall favourite games right now and probably my favourite medium weight game.
Hi Luke! Great video once again! Quick question(s) for you. I am starting to play Arkham Horror LCG and I know you like it. For now I have the core box (finished) and the Dunwich Legacy expansion (finished first scenario). Where do you buy your Mythos packs? They are crazy expensive. Amazon does not have them all and the ones available cost at times 20+ pounds. That is expensive for 1 scenario only.
I finished the core box with Roland (Guardian) and I am currently playing Dunwich Legacy with Ashcan Pete (Survivor). I am enjoying both maybe Ashcan better. What is your favorite class? Thank you.
I also want to know the best place to buy them from please
@@RooRichyI can recommend compare prices and get a good overview on this site:
boardgameprices.co.uk/item/search?search=arkham+horror+the+card+card+game
Just bought a lot of the dunwich cycle from ''the spelvogel'' in Belgium. They had a lot available and delivered very fast to me here in Germany
Huggysplace Thank you. I guess the Mythos packs are expensive everywhere! I will buy them less frequently then.
Depends on the cycle, but I subscribe to mine via BoardGameExtras in the UK - they have been my prime method of obtaining packs when they release.
Wow. This list was incredible. All the games you have have been on my radar to play or have in my collection. I didn't know about your number 1, Terramara, so I hopped over to your review and looks like a good game. I guess you are like me, I'm looking for games that are not too hard, not too long, fun and want to play again and again. So, med-weight is where I want to be. There's a game that has been on my radar that you didn't mention on your list, but wanted your thoughts, is "Crown of Emara." Have you played it? Thanks and thanks for all your videos.
Many thanks! 😊 I do know it, can't recall if I reviewed it or not, might be worth searching on my channel for it.
It's OK but it's a super generic Euro, doesn't really offer anything new.
This was a really cool list. For your #1 you listed things that makes it an appealing and successful game. Do you have a top 10 list for that-like top ten “things” (not sure how to word it) that make games successful? Like game art, game mechanics, # of players, right balance of challenge, replay ability, etc. This wouldn’t really be a list of games but a list of the features of successful games, I guess. If you were to design a game, what does it need to have?
I don't have a specific list but I did abandon an old list which was Top 10 Things I Love In A Board Game - this was more a personal thing as who am I to say what makes a game successful. Maybe I should resurrect it?
The Broken Meeple yes definitely bring it back. I understand it will be a subjective list, but that’s fine. Keep up these interesting videos!
Got a couple others to do first but I'll add back to list. 😊
If you say Empire of the Void one more time, I will just rage-buy the god damn game 🙈 Been on my radar for so long now because of this channel :)
EOTV II............ ;-) Buy it.................do it do it do ittttttttttt!
Shakespeare with Backstage expansion is a wonderful game.
Would like to try Shakespeare. Just never seen it out.
I love that I have never played a game from your list, but want to play them all now (I do own Viticulture...). My favourite medium game of all time is Concordia. Have you played it?
Errrr yes....... #toptenhatedgames
Oh... sorry I'm new here...
@@dave0754 He he its OK, if you see my other content you'll find out I have a history with that game! 😜
Nice list! I'm really curious about Terramarra now. Unfortunately, even if I buy it, it will be a while before I can play it with anybody....Also, since our tastes in games are somewhat alike, have you ever played Unfair and would you recommend it?
I know exactly how you feel about the isolation part, esp living alone, all the days are starting to blend together.
I have played Unfair, but can't recommend it. It's a cool premise and theme, but it's very fiddly in operation and it drags on far too long especially with the max player count.
Excellent list and I'd agree with you that these are all spot on in my eyes, at least the ones I have played. I know you're really not a fan but to me Concordia is slap-bang in the middle of medium-weight. Pretty easy to pick up but still a lot to consider. What do you think?
I found it pretty light in its base form, especially as I find some of the scoring methods aren't worth the cardboard, but I wouldn't argue it to death.
I show my friends whatever game I want to play regardless of their newness
Great list!!! Also- check out the MeepleSource Empires of the Void II upgrades- they’re so cool 🤘🏻🤘🏻
US site right? Would cost me a fortune to obtain - hoping to buy some inserts from a European firm.
The Broken Meeple shoot it is US based- ahhhhh! And the inserts could be cool!
It's funny you have Automania there peeking in the background which to me is the perfect Medium weight game.
I do enjoy that also though I flip between whether it's light or mid weight.
That was a nice happy-list! But what about Concordia? Talk about fluent! And pretty easy to get going but a lot ta master. Sooo good!
Lol Concordia appears on a less happy list for me. 😅
Nice list Luke! I met you at Essen last year, was really fun to say hi to you at the Dice Tower booth. I also love Terramara. No love for Grand Austria Hotel on this list? /Felix from Sweden
Thanks! You too! - I'm indifferent on GAH - i didn't dislike it nor overly like it either, was just another dry Euro for me.
So the wife and I have gotten Viticulture to the table in the last week from this list. I had not thought about Vindication, but I guess we can try it at 2. The only 2 you missed for my list is Gugong and Rajas of the Ganges. Solid list otherwise! Not sure Empires of the Void 2 would play at two?
Empires is fine at two but better with more. Vindication scales OK but again I think maybe better with more. I didn't latch on to Gugong really, but Raja's was on my short list, would be in the teens.
Great list , but not even a mention of Castles of Burgundy? For me, that's the paragon of a medium weight game!
Don't like the game or Feld games for that matter. 😁 Also that genre seems pretty light, chuck dice and place them, get points.
Love your content! Stay safe/healthy ❤️
Thank you! You too!
your #1 and 2 look really good, number 2 a bit pricey at the moment, but Terramara really nice price thank you
Lately I play a lot in Pangea. Really like it :) and it is midweight for sure
Hang in there dude. I’ve been holed up with wife and kids for two weeks now, only going out for groceries and the occasional walk around the neighborhood. I miss my game groups, my friends. Wife and kids aren’t gamers, except for my son who like a game of Kamisado once in a blue moon, so my gaming is restricted to solo games. Apart from that, I’m not alone, but we do get more on each other’s nerves than usual. Lockdown is a PITA, but it’s necessary to stop this nasty bug from spreading. Which makes me wonder, have you ever discussed whether you like Pandemic?
Ouch - surrounded by others who aren't gamers! I like Pandemic fine, I own the Iberia one and have enjoyed the Legacy versions - it's just not the powerhouse it once was.
I would have been disappointed if Empires of the Void II wasn't on this list. ;-)
Heehee, no chance!
Great list...Five Tribes is my #1 for sure.
Props on Civ FF version. You got rid of Gaia Project? That game is fantastic.
It's OK I was never blown away by it or Terra Mystica, but it's just a fiddly rule set, bone dry and devoid of any theme. So I would always pick a more thematic heavy game.
@@TheBrokenMeeple I tend to lean towards heavy, thinky games. Other heavy, thinky games have stronger theme. A Feast for Odin's theme is a heavy game where the theme fits the game like a glove. When my friend and I were teaching his girlfriend how to play, all of our explanations of the rules could fall back on theme. For example, if you go hunting, if your hunt doesn't go well, you'll need to spend more resources (wood) or you might loose more tools for hunting or fishing, larger tasks require more workers, or how in order to explore larger or more distant Islands, you need larger ships suited for the task. I consider designing a game, and as I tip-toe through the process of game design, I keep asking myself, "does this fit thematically?"
Empires of the Void II.....you're a smart man/chap.
It's an awesome game! And not heavy compared to other space civs.
Have me on and let’s talk top 5 red raven games
For me if it's above 2.5 and under 3.5 on BGG it's medium weight, so by that definition Scythe is medium weight at 3.39.
I just don't place a lot of value on a metric system on that site, especially without knowing the full extent to how that is calculated.
@@TheBrokenMeeple I just tried it and it's just the average of people voting between 1 to 5. Obviously the more vote the more precise the notation, for Scythe since it's a popular game there are currently 1902 votes and you can see how many people voted each number. The calcul is pretty simple. I think it's an accurate representation of the general feeling people have.
Also, why I agree with this number, my mom who is more into Azul and other games that weight can play Scythe because of how much the mechanism are simple to teach.
Problem is gamers are the ones voting. And most gamers have a very skewed view of weight because they are so used to games.
good video dude!! middleweight is my level!! stop isolating!! its a scam!! or find a couple buddies to mongamously isolate with!!
Tribune and Lancaster are my favorite medium games. 5 tribes is one of the few games that give me bad AP. I avoid it.
Scythe and Terramara are both 3.4 on BGG but maybe you are saying Terramara "feels" lighter.
I dont think you need to struggle with people about how to cluster a game concerning the weight.
The only thing I would struggle with is that there is no three weights (light, medium, heavy).
IMO, BGG is a great source but IMO still five weights (light, medium light, medium, medium heavy, heavy) is not enough.
But concerning the BGG weight, you need to consider that a part of the players tend to rate games too low concerning the weight.
E.g. take a look at the weight of Paladins of the West Kingdom. There are 246 votes. from those, 5 obviously are subjective idiots (light? medium light?) Even those 99 (40%) who rate medium dont seem to recognize that while the game is not that hard to learn, it's definetely hard to get a good score or even win...and that game definetely is a brain burner from time to time.
There are games out there which are not (too) heavy concerning learning how to play BUT which are heavy concerning actually winning (no matter if playing solo or not).
IMO, heavy games at least start with a BGG weight of 3.5. Seems weird because from definition perspective that is still between medium and medium heavy, BUT as I explained above, there seem to be a lot of players who can't really objectively rate a game. Just because I'm a very experienced player, that doesnt mean that a heavy game suddenly is medium or that a medium game is light.
BGG should be there to be an information platform to other people and not to show that one is a king of games by rating games lower than they actually are.
I would even let it start with 3.25 which are more like medium+ games. From 3.25 to 3.5 are games as Agricola, Power Grid, Yokohama, Scythe, Arkham Horror: The Card Game, Eldrich Horror, Nemesis. So those are just between medium and heavy. But as there are not that many really heavy games, one could/should put those game rather in the heavy spot.
Examples:
- you can easily play Agricola with most people. BUT beginners are gonna lose heavily because they would already have problems to feed the family...and as concequence would become frustrated.
Please describe a situation when it´s necessary to have artwork from Empires of the Void 2 on the walls. ;-) I just can´t think of many reasons on the top of my head...
Every situation! Bedroom ambience, gameroom coolness, kitchen...................spaceness..........I'd have it everywhere! :P
I was so disappointed that my wife (who loves wine) didn't even want to give Viticulture a try. I would have loved to do so. She's just not at all drawn to any board game. Those who have spouses who are should be glad of it. Not all do.
I'm a lucky man then
Vindication is bit on the heavy side, isn't it?
Not really, the rules themselves aren't that tricky and because you can choose your path, you don't feel constrained or punished for what you do.
What about Empires of the North?
I debated over whether that was medium or light and concluded it was on the upper borders of Light because it's easier to play then Imperial Settlers and at the end of the day doesn't have a ton of rules in it.
I thought of this as well but came to the same conclusion as Luke rating it just shy of medium. I have been playing it solo while on lockdown here in Los Angeles and it's great fun. I've set it up twice in the last 2 weeks and switching clans ended up playing multiple games both times.
20:32 Made me cringe a little, MB's "Game of Life" uses a spinner not dice. Sorry OCD here. :D
You're not the first to say 😉
Jamey @ Stonemaier games last name is Stegmaier, not Stonemaier. Great list though!
Force of habit! :P
At the Gates of Loyang, Grand Austria Hotel and Welcome to Walnut Grove for me. 😘
I love the hair!
6th July...... Can't come soon enough! 😅
i agree with scythe
where are do you live/from?
Currently near Portsmouth, UK. But originally from the West Country.
How about a TOP 10 HEAVY GAMES.... ;) list
I did a similar one last year.... I think last year which was top ten long games which essentially is heavy games.
top thematic games
Literally ordered PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS after watching this video.
i should check terramara .. i dont like the artwork though 🤔
Thx for video ❤
Totally worth it!! Wait you don't like Michael Menzel's art? Well I guess the card art is nothing to write home about but that board is gorgeous.
PoH is one of my absolute favorite games.
Scythe base game is medium, IMO.
It's on that borderline, but I think the ability do well at the game is not one that the players will be able to grasp in 1-2 games especially if they use Nordic or the black faction which are considerably less effective. Hence I bump it to heavy.
@@TheBrokenMeeple well... I guess that we can agree that it's a great game, no matter how complex it seems to either of us 🙂
anachrony medium
When my son was 7 he could play Scythe and would remind me of the rules.