Jerry Coyne on the Indigenisation of Universities in New Zealand

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  • Опубликовано: 8 ноя 2024

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  • @Xen_sama
    @Xen_sama Месяц назад +59

    "Fables should be taught as fables, myths as myths, and miracles as poetic fantasies. To teach superstitions as truths is a most terrible thing."

  • @dave24-73
    @dave24-73 Месяц назад +45

    As a student in my final year I hate it, can’t wait to get out of the system.

  • @kevinansley7353
    @kevinansley7353 Месяц назад +59

    Why are my taxes paying for racist changes to education and history? All my life I have been told racisim is wrong and here we have it, being excused by the people we pay.

    • @djhemirukahemisphere8893
      @djhemirukahemisphere8893 Месяц назад

      my taxes are also supported lots of racism..Maori are 7 times more likely to be arrested for the same crime the pakeha commit. Maori die like 7 to 10 years earlier and thus pay tax all thier lives and don't recieve pensions as much - not to mention thier grandparwnts generally lost approx 97 percent of thier land due to the arrival of colonial aspirations. we had an equitable life span when thw British arrived

  • @andyox-gr9gy
    @andyox-gr9gy Месяц назад +35

    If newzeland doesn't stop this madness quickly we are down the drain I'm not holding my breath

    • @Peter_Pepper_Love
      @Peter_Pepper_Love Месяц назад

      @@andyox-gr9gy fear not... for it is extremely low🎶frequency✨️

  • @SailorPete
    @SailorPete Месяц назад +27

    One of the best commentary’s this chanel has shared. Let’s get back to reality based decision making and information. We will let a tree die because we cant face facts.

  • @margueritemccartney3607
    @margueritemccartney3607 Месяц назад +54

    I hope the universities don’t go down this all Māori first road. It’s ridiculous. It’s not what a university is supposed to be.

    • @Mostlypeaceful896
      @Mostlypeaceful896 Месяц назад +12

      the universities are leading it

    • @drayner2517
      @drayner2517 Месяц назад +11

      Too late, they already are

    • @Peter_Pepper_Love
      @Peter_Pepper_Love Месяц назад +2

      @@margueritemccartney3607 # jewniversities! 🤯

    • @PeyoteCoyote97
      @PeyoteCoyote97 Месяц назад +3

      They already have

    • @Munsonotg
      @Munsonotg Месяц назад +2

      They went down that road years ago. I went to uni 2019 and in order to study health science I had to do 3 compulsory courses. 1. Human anatomy etc - completely needed for knowledge of subject. 2/3. Te tiriti and hauora classes, nothing to do with health science just telling me how awful I was for being born as I am. All Maori were made to feel so welcome yet I was judged by lecturers for asking what relevance the maori stuff has

  • @DownUnderWarboss
    @DownUnderWarboss Месяц назад +57

    Stone age maori had no knowledge of university. Cultural appropriation?

    • @red2775
      @red2775 Месяц назад +11

      @@DownUnderWarboss so if they want to use their science... Does that mean they teach the earth is flat? Cause that's what pre colonization Maori thought

    • @Peter_Pepper_Love
      @Peter_Pepper_Love Месяц назад +3

      @red2775 this realm is flat☝️😉

    • @red2775
      @red2775 Месяц назад +4

      @@Peter_Pepper_Love no it's a globe... Isn't it?

    • @Peter_Pepper_Love
      @Peter_Pepper_Love Месяц назад

      @@red2775 jewtube won't allow me to answer 😕

    • @Peter_Pepper_Love
      @Peter_Pepper_Love Месяц назад +1

      @@red2775 Seek and surely ye shall find✨️

  • @overover..
    @overover.. Месяц назад +40

    Science is observation, hypothesis, and evidence.
    Matauranga maori is observation, and mythology

    • @Peter_Pepper_Love
      @Peter_Pepper_Love Месяц назад

      God speaks not through the brain but the (((❤️)))

    • @peterwiles1299
      @peterwiles1299 Месяц назад

      Science is about falsification.

    • @L.budz.
      @L.budz. Месяц назад

      Science is a joke

  • @888Sooty
    @888Sooty Месяц назад +20

    Students are expected to do the Maori course regardless of what they study For example students of Accounting will also have to do it so its pure indoctrination

  • @Mostlypeaceful896
    @Mostlypeaceful896 Месяц назад +33

    decolonization is cringe

    • @klaasvdo4002
      @klaasvdo4002 Месяц назад +5

      Underrated comment. 🇳🇿

    • @Mostlypeaceful896
      @Mostlypeaceful896 Месяц назад +3

      @@PeyoteCoyote97 life will teach you the cause of poverty is alcohol/drugs/gambling and getting sucked into bad financial products like car loans. Anti-colonialism is a grift - another bad financial product.

  • @Tebbypantgungun
    @Tebbypantgungun Месяц назад +17

    Great to hear Jerry again. It's been a while for me. Gee he must think we are so brainwashed!

    • @dougfraser77
      @dougfraser77 Месяц назад

      Or just afraid to speak up against nonsense

  • @davidfentonhancock6646
    @davidfentonhancock6646 Месяц назад +22

    There is a Plague upon the Country for Christ sakes......

    • @IanG2120
      @IanG2120 Месяц назад

      So you're allowed to entreat a mythology?

  • @dave24-73
    @dave24-73 Месяц назад +18

    Sounds like brain washing if you can’t hold an opposing view.

  • @scorpnz4433
    @scorpnz4433 Месяц назад +27

    Didn't think we'd have witch doctors here,apparently i was wrong. Only question i have is the grift pay any good.

    • @red2775
      @red2775 Месяц назад +7

      Much higher than the pay from doing an important essential job... That's for sure

    • @Peter_Pepper_Love
      @Peter_Pepper_Love Месяц назад +1

      @@scorpnz4433 it won't get one into the higher realms✨️

  • @DossNZ
    @DossNZ Месяц назад +16

    This claptrap which is permeating my country like slime is so depressing, my brain keeps wanting to veer off into the garden or doing some nice cooking.

  • @Peter_Pepper_Love
    @Peter_Pepper_Love Месяц назад +19

    Knowing is stronger than belief.

    • @Colin_Izer1111
      @Colin_Izer1111 Месяц назад +1

      Gnosis! There is a clue as to the problem with beLIEf & that is the three-letter word contained within it!

    • @bigthinker281
      @bigthinker281 Месяц назад +1

      Yes, knowing that there is no man in the sky gives you mental freedom.

    • @Peter_Pepper_Love
      @Peter_Pepper_Love Месяц назад

      @bigthinker281 🤔when one has had three out of body experiences...one at 7yrs old, then at 17yrs old, and again at 27yrs...one 'knows'✨️😏(((🤍)))
      And 'knowing' prevented me from becoming a drug dealer, murderer or rapist!!!
      ✌️😏(((💛)))

    • @L.budz.
      @L.budz. Месяц назад +1

      ​@@bigthinker281lol, you are a bit wrong lol, plenty of people in the sky lol

    • @bigthinker281
      @bigthinker281 Месяц назад

      @@L.budz. yeah lol, lots flying in planes but no imaginary god in the sky…I agree…🤣👍🙏

  • @kumarapatch1234
    @kumarapatch1234 Месяц назад +12

    Nz going backwards fast

  • @tt-tm6kn
    @tt-tm6kn Месяц назад +12

    The rest of the world couldn't give a fk...moari were stone age back I the day..what a joke

  • @paulmeersa7162
    @paulmeersa7162 Месяц назад +16

    Best way to undermine a Country is to undermine their education system; teach them crap.

    • @paulmeersa7162
      @paulmeersa7162 Месяц назад

      And if you can do that by believing in a culture that had not invented the wheel, the bow and arrow or writing all the better. Keeps them employed too.... And of course if a Country is dumb enough to allow this to happen to them then they deserve it. How absolutely stupid are Kiwis to allow their Government to carry on like this?

  • @Sharon-yk7xm
    @Sharon-yk7xm Месяц назад +11

    Free Will is Free Speach

    • @Peter_Pepper_Love
      @Peter_Pepper_Love Месяц назад

      @Sharon-yk7xm God granted us free will...not the Grubberment!

  • @djlafg58
    @djlafg58 Месяц назад +20

    You somewhat underplayed Jerry Coyne's influence in the whole area of speciation and evolutionary science that underpins so much of what DNA analysis tells us about the evolutionary past of plants, animals, bacteria and fungi. Jerry has for decades been recognised as a pre-eminent researcher and writer about biological science. His peers regard him as a world leader in his field. He is retired now but holds the position of professor emeritus at the University of Chicago. That he feels the need to comment on how indigenous knowledge has been elevated to a position of equal importance with world science is appalling and shows how deeply the world of Maori has been gaining ascendance in our universities. This is bloody sad to say the least.

  • @garycody1929
    @garycody1929 Месяц назад +6

    MSM will not give this guy mileage

  • @jemma_19988
    @jemma_19988 Месяц назад +5

    mythological world and faith healing in precolonial New Zealand meant the average life expectancy was around 33 yrs, western applied science in New Zealand means we live decades longer today

  • @markphillips5368
    @markphillips5368 Месяц назад +6

    Matauranga maori has nothing to do with modern science, and it's time the universities got back to teaching their students to think critically, examine the evidence, and reject the falsehoods.

  • @marshallgarrett1593
    @marshallgarrett1593 Месяц назад +3

    I would’ve thought that the government would step in and absolutely without reservation. Stop this why isn’t that happening?

  • @andyox-gr9gy
    @andyox-gr9gy Месяц назад +23

    The only system maori had was systematic canabilisum

    • @PeyoteCoyote97
      @PeyoteCoyote97 Месяц назад +3

      They also had a thriving shrunken-head trade. Also, most iwi had really efficient systems of enslaving their weak, or those lacking "mana".

    • @IanG2120
      @IanG2120 Месяц назад

      Could you be anymore of a racist knuckle dragger?
      By the way I wouldn't take much stock from someone with literacy like yours - the word is cannibalism!

    • @Peter_Pepper_Love
      @Peter_Pepper_Love Месяц назад

      @@andyox-gr9gy Kuru disease is a batch! 🤯

  • @michaeld.1128
    @michaeld.1128 Месяц назад +4

    Canadian Universities are polluted with this ideology as well. Funding is now being audited to the "Studies" majors
    as a result. Need to pivot funding to the trades, where the market has labour shortages.

  • @AyaInoue-l3r
    @AyaInoue-l3r Месяц назад +3

    ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @outback109
    @outback109 Месяц назад +4

    Back to the stoneage.

  • @mikewilliams6086
    @mikewilliams6086 Месяц назад +6

    I have watched as the last year of UE exams through to current university where private and government organisations control and medle in universities now! I used to respect the head science and engineers , doctors! Not anymoee!

  • @wimokaharawira8443
    @wimokaharawira8443 Месяц назад

    Thank you Michael for protecting our white privilege 🙏

  • @kentstevens5839
    @kentstevens5839 Месяц назад +3

    Our country and its universities are in a bad state financially. That is why we need to make medieval thinking a compulsory subject at our universities. We will forget that many of ancestors gave up on superstition to adopt scientific and evidence based ideas.

  • @cathybrind2381
    @cathybrind2381 Месяц назад +5

    Why is is that NZ has so many people in positions of authority who feel ashamed that Captain Cook ever got here? Who wear a mantle of guilt about our colonial history? Not about certain episodes of it, but about everything? If NZ were a plane the alarm would be shrieking pull up pull up! But it seems we're running out of altitude. Will future historians look at snatches of contemporary interviews the way we look at film of passengers aboard the Erebus flight and think poor souls, they didn't know what they were in for? I fear so.

    • @Mark-g6l7i
      @Mark-g6l7i Месяц назад +2

      They weren't smart enough.
      They didn't even have a pot to cook in

    • @jemma_19988
      @jemma_19988 Месяц назад +4

      Personally I am proud Cook arrived in New Zealand. He immediately introduced animals that became a staple part of any hangi, introduced a future language that is now regarded as the most important language on the globe, introduced democracy, and technology that was non existant before he set foot

  • @MrTubeuser12
    @MrTubeuser12 Месяц назад +6

    Indiginise the Universities ? New Zealand doesn't have an indigenous population.

    • @hughbarlow9736
      @hughbarlow9736 Месяц назад

      Yes it does. You need to look up what "indigenous" means when talking about people.

    • @MrTubeuser12
      @MrTubeuser12 Месяц назад

      @@hughbarlow9736 Actually there is no generally accepted definition of indigenous peoples in international law and the word indigenous is derived from the Latin word indigena meaning " sprung from the land ". I'm pretty sure Maori didn't originate here. Modern interpretation of " indigenous people " allows for, in part, self identification, so that says it all.

    • @jemma_19988
      @jemma_19988 Месяц назад +1

      the word indigenous is a a bit of a misnomer. When you consider original people in Australia have been there for tens of thousands of years and the oldest artefact found in New Zealand is from around 1300 ce ( a fishing lure)To give an idea how recent that is Europe at the same time had eyeglasses, mechanical clocks, gunpowder, windmills, printing presses, papaer money and the compass. It is an irrelevant term oft used by an irrelevant organisation namely the United Nations

  • @jemma_19988
    @jemma_19988 Месяц назад

    My nephew left school at eighteen with uni entrance. He decided to work in australian outback mines. All his mates went to uni. Ten years later he owns his own home and is about to buy his second. All his uni mates are still living at home, in junior positions, and all have student debt

  • @leylandbarr7247
    @leylandbarr7247 Месяц назад +8

    How come Maori did not invent a wheel. ?
    Can someone answer that for me ,?

    • @pauljones3062
      @pauljones3062 Месяц назад +2

      Yeah well when the first Europeans came to NZ Maori at the time were 3500 years behind.
      Maori are not indigenous & they committed Genocide on the original inhabitants of NZ.

    • @hughbarlow9736
      @hughbarlow9736 Месяц назад

      @@pauljones3062 Maori are the original inhabitants of NZ. There's no excuse for believing bullshit made up by Victorians.

    • @dougfraser77
      @dougfraser77 Месяц назад +1

      For the same reason they had not yet invented pottery, metallurgy, written language, etc. They were at the level that European civilisations were some time between 7,000 and 10,000 years ago.

    • @hughbarlow9736
      @hughbarlow9736 Месяц назад

      @@dougfraser77 What a simplistic understanding of the development of culture and technology. Their navigational skills were thousands of years ahead of ancient Europeans. And they had philosophers and poets too. The only people who think the Polynesians were thick primitives are thick contemporary rednecks.

    • @hughbarlow9736
      @hughbarlow9736 Месяц назад

      @@dougfraser77 Spoken like a true idiot.

  • @StGammon77
    @StGammon77 Месяц назад +2

    TIP: Science CAN prove what some may view as myth or supernatural except cases when it can't like maori myths and gods, not one so called indigenous person in NZ has a living testimony of seeing or having any native god speak to them. Compare that with Christians from all walks of life here, including 95% of Maori in Treaty times, who have a living testimony of seeing, hearing and experiencing Jesus, the Haka is a story of the Chief becoming a Christian. All down through History squillions have seen Him and yet not 1 seen Maui the god who fished the sea up and that is why the Treaty Chiefs abandoned the former beliefs or Tikanga as being false and evil.

  • @paulhobson2306
    @paulhobson2306 Месяц назад +8

    Tiriti is not science it is constitutional founding document

    • @dougfraser77
      @dougfraser77 Месяц назад

      Founding document: maybe. But _constitutional_ ? Not by any reasonable definition of that word.
      The Constitution Act 1986 doesn't even mention the Treaty. Of course, if it were re-written today it would be packed with treaty references top-to-bottom.

  • @geoffstokes
    @geoffstokes Месяц назад

    You need to get John Lennox on

  • @gailcartledge3141
    @gailcartledge3141 25 дней назад

    My God the more I hear about this infiltration through ALL our universties, the more I'm thinking my last youngest child should go to Uni across in Aus. A child that is very capable and has worked really hard throughout her school years, especially in the sciences, she does not need to learn this claptrap..i'm feeling quite wild about this...

  • @gordondickson6901
    @gordondickson6901 Месяц назад +2

    Nothing wrong with being an atheist

  • @Mngl1897
    @Mngl1897 Месяц назад

    Coyne is great! He is of course not just targetting 'indigenisation' but all forms of religion and superstition taught within science. He has likewise opposed 'intelligent design' and creationism taught in the classrooms. Keep religion and science separate! Nothing wrong with religion or idigenous belief systems - in one's personal life.

  • @pgreen8531
    @pgreen8531 Месяц назад

    Religion is faith based

  • @Sarahmarknz01
    @Sarahmarknz01 Месяц назад +1

    "thinking about the supernatural has never helped us make any progress in understanding the world" -
    This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being.
    Isaac Newton
    Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.
    Albert Einstein
    The more I study nature, the more I stand amazed at the work of the Creator. Science brings men nearer to God.
    Louis Pasteur
    Yeah nah science doesn't lead to atheism. Atheism has led to us questioning if a man is really a man or a woman really a woman though *slaps face*.

  • @gregg7617
    @gregg7617 28 дней назад

    Here is a FACT ,
    Ngi Tahu are refugees to the South island 😛😛😛
    To the Tribes that lived there before them 😛😛😛
    Remember : the govern - ment does not consider Hapu claims , only the treaty construct iwi claims 🤔🤨😡😛😛😛
    Consider this ,
    A friend recently had the misfortune of entering a Otago Maori cause on line ,
    The Teacher or HEAD of this course had a moko on her chin ,
    It was the same (but copied)
    MOKO of His GREAT ANCESTOR 😛😛😛
    NOW , how can a university leader carry a MOKO not bestowed By THE PEOPLE WHO IT BELONGED TO mmmmmmh !?
    She just liked it !!🤔🤨😡
    And she will be one that fosters ngi Tahu claims by ancestral rights in education and law mmmmmh !? 🤔🤨😡😛😛😛
    The activists care nothing of Traditional values ,
    Of the customs and ways of those they now represent !
    (Shame ) be upon them ALL!!!😛😛😛🤨😡

  • @L.budz.
    @L.budz. Месяц назад +1

    I'll give him proof of God, breathe in and out, that's God 👌

  • @geoffstokes
    @geoffstokes Месяц назад

    Atheism is a belief applied to science too.

  • @geoffstokes
    @geoffstokes Месяц назад

    The birth of modern science was first Christian in origin

  • @geoffstokes
    @geoffstokes Месяц назад

    There's tons of evidence for God

  • @dallynstevens7855
    @dallynstevens7855 Месяц назад +6

    There's no escape from a belief system, everything descends down from the transcendent.
    The cultural spin in NZ is an intuitive approach I think we should encourage Metaphysical thought otherwise we just end up nihilistic. Don't have to accept mythology but you do have to understand there are some interesting symbols represented in those stories. Can't be too black and white.
    Darwin came from a religious background
    Isaac Newton
    Maxwell
    Albert Einstein
    Guass
    Faraday
    All had religion in common.

    • @rogermartin8435
      @rogermartin8435 Месяц назад +3

      That was then. As a child brought up post war christianity flooded through the uk as communities looked for hope and a pillar to cling to. My father was an atheist firmly of the mind that the horrors of WW2 and a loving god were mutually uncompatible. My mother explored a number of religious options unsatisfied with the bland CoE. And progressed to be unsatisfied with all communal variaties and settled on the more individual spiritual. No praying and no Bible.
      Born into this i was a cultural christian going the church thing on festivals being bored with a vicar's ineptness and sanctimonious persona. Going to university and philosophical debate and discussion particularly with the entrenched religious steeled me to ask some fundamental questions which were never answered. I am speaking here of Christianity and later Islam. I keep an open mind in case there is some case to be made.
      Having spent some significant time in tracing ritual and content regarding religion from pre-Greek roots it is hard to regard religion as anyhing other than an evolving continuing patchwork of beliefs plagiarised and developed by a self interested clegy. A comfotable community of belief sometimes of merit. A man-made belief system to be examined and weighed.
      As Socrates said an unexamined life is not worth living. Analysis and critical thinking is most important.

    • @SpatialandTemporal
      @SpatialandTemporal Месяц назад +2

      And don't forget Kepler who tried in vain to put the Planets in circular orbits because circles are perfect and that how God would have created them. Which of course led to years of frustration because he was thinking of the transcendent as a benchmark for perfection. It wasn't until he could no longer refute his own observations and those of Danish Astronomer Tycho Brahe, that led to elliptical orbits and Kepler's Laws. The transcendent has held science back all through the Dark Ages. Newton and Leibnitz argued over whether Calculus was Heretical as it displaced God as the cause of the orbits of the Universe.

    • @Peter_Pepper_Love
      @Peter_Pepper_Love Месяц назад

      @@dallynstevens7855 they were starseeds✨️

    • @dallynstevens7855
      @dallynstevens7855 Месяц назад +1

      @@rogermartin8435 more fundamental questions which were what?

    • @rogermartin8435
      @rogermartin8435 Месяц назад +1

      @@dallynstevens7855 that is a rabbit hole i am not gping down in this thread. I have neither the time nor the inclination to engage with any religious apologists. It is a distraction without any hope of resolution as positions are very entrenched unwilling to consider a secular world without proscriptive communal prayer and worship. There is nothing special about religion for most of us

  • @Marius_vanderLubbe
    @Marius_vanderLubbe Месяц назад +2

    If the people don't want the bones of their ancestors studied and wish them to be buried then that is there business. The professor might better spend his time condemning the z ionist terror attack on civilians - as he seems to have done regarding ham as.

    • @Peter_Pepper_Love
      @Peter_Pepper_Love Месяц назад

      @@Marius_vanderLubbe it's been happening since forever!

  • @robertmariu6783
    @robertmariu6783 Месяц назад +1

    Just about every program this guy conducts is about how racist nz is ; bit of an obsession !!

  • @douglaslyell6075
    @douglaslyell6075 Месяц назад +4

    this man is sadly a fool..the evidence of God surrounds us..his pride blinds him

    • @potato3264
      @potato3264 Месяц назад +10

      You have an invisible friend and you call *him* a fool?

    • @Peter_Pepper_Love
      @Peter_Pepper_Love Месяц назад

      @@douglaslyell6075 God loves a trier☝️🙄(((🤍)))

    • @SpatialandTemporal
      @SpatialandTemporal Месяц назад

      Clearly you should read your scripture as you called this man a fool, you are in danger of the fire of hell...Matthew 5:22 "But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell."

    • @SpatialandTemporal
      @SpatialandTemporal Месяц назад +5

      You are correct, the evidence for an uncaring, cruel, misogynistic and violent God is everywhere in the sufferings of the world. Wow, it's almost like he doesn't exist.

    • @gn7344
      @gn7344 Месяц назад +1

      There is not a shred of evidence that God exists. Not a shred. If there was I'd be happy to take God seriously. Like all believers you are delusional Douglas. There was no "pride" in Jerry Coyne's comments. None. At all.

  • @tjhawe-cm1lg
    @tjhawe-cm1lg Месяц назад

    Poor crybabys

  • @geoffstokes
    @geoffstokes Месяц назад +1

    The birth of modern science was first Christian in origin

  • @geoffstokes
    @geoffstokes Месяц назад

    There's tons of evidence for God