Netflix Bebop: How Netflix Used Bebop To Screw Disney... And Failed (ANIME ABANDON PART 2)

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  • Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
  • Netflix wanted those sweet Marvel views, but Disney had other plans. What started with spite, ended in disaster in our part 2 look at the ill-fated Netflix Bebop.
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    Intro - 0:00
    Bebop Could Never Be Made Again - 2:32
    Everyone Wants An MCU - 7:35
    Bebop Is Anti-Netflix - 18:53
    You're Gonna Carry Your Own Weight - 38:40
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  • @Horrormaster13
    @Horrormaster13 2 года назад +710

    I think the biggest loss here is for John Cho.
    The man watched the entire original anime, fell in love with it, battled on set to ensure that Spike's iconic Jericho 941 would be used, got the original composer involved, and tried his genuine best to represent Spike with the script he was given.
    And all off his efforts went down the drain because Netflix didn't bother to hire a competent director and writers for this show.

    • @sunlitsonata6853
      @sunlitsonata6853 2 года назад +72

      Justin Chatwin and James Marsden were the same way for Dragon Ball Evolution. Let down by the awful, awful script as well as budget reduction.

    • @sarasunshinemt4444
      @sarasunshinemt4444 2 года назад +62

      In their efforts to be like Disney, they copied their "woke" crap (looking at the failures of the new Star Wars movies) but didn't follow thru with getting competent people who know the source material & genuine appreciation for the fans to write & direct their show (like the Mandalorian).
      It's like Netflix looked at Cowboy Bebop and said "Let's Kathline Kennedy this bitch".

    • @ThePurplePanzy
      @ThePurplePanzy 2 года назад +36

      And yet, he somehow didn't know that one of Spike's eyes is fake. Not sure how that slipped by him.

    • @ArsyaUtomo
      @ArsyaUtomo 2 года назад +4

      damn, christoper Yost used to produce good stuff

    • @ArsyaUtomo
      @ArsyaUtomo 2 года назад +5

      @@ThePurplePanzy Spoiler stuff

  • @eamonndeane587
    @eamonndeane587 2 года назад +440

    It is genuinely sweet to me that Spike and Julia's English VAs (Steve Blum and Mary Elizabeth McGlynn) are now happily Married.

    • @JKPancake
      @JKPancake 2 года назад +60

      If you get the chance to meet them at a con do, they are some of the nicest people

    • @TK-ll7su
      @TK-ll7su 2 года назад +41

      She also was the voice director for Bebop (and Naruto honestly she is one of the GOATs of directing)

    • @Shadamyfan-rs8xc
      @Shadamyfan-rs8xc 2 года назад +27

      Its like they got to be together in another life 💙

    • @eamonndeane587
      @eamonndeane587 2 года назад +22

      @@Shadamyfan-rs8xc That sounds like A Dream Come true...

    • @eamonndeane587
      @eamonndeane587 2 года назад +16

      @@TK-ll7su I'm most fond of her Dub for Wolf's Rain.
      One of the Best Dubs ever Made.
      I'd love to see her do some ADR duties for a DC animated series.

  • @emperium108
    @emperium108 2 года назад +101

    Netflix seems to no longer be interested in actually giving it's shows time to fix its flaws. Either it is an instant hit or it will die an unglorious death. Can you imagine Bojack being released now? It would be cancelled in one season.

    • @BushidoBrownSama
      @BushidoBrownSama 2 года назад +6

      You nailed it
      Me: hopefully they will be able to fix flaws in the 2nd season
      Netflix: about that...

    • @maxwellschmidt235
      @maxwellschmidt235 2 года назад +7

      The streaming services have never really given shows a chance to grow.

    • @babytoshiro7014
      @babytoshiro7014 2 года назад +7

      This is what I say. Netflix wants big ratings or trending out the gate. Even ST TNG had a terrible year ANF half before it became good.

    • @cannibalisticrequiem
      @cannibalisticrequiem 2 года назад +3

      I mean, so many people want to hold up Netflix as a television network like ABC, NBC, FOX, etc _"but better"_ because you can watch an entire season of a show within 2 - 3 days, and Netflix execs buy into this, that they take their cue from what television has done for decades and applies it to _their_ shows. It really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. This is nothing new.

    • @TheStewieOne
      @TheStewieOne Год назад

      Cancelled while Big Mouth get 10 more season.

  • @wonderthigh
    @wonderthigh 2 года назад +52

    the anime defined Vicious as "cold, calculating, ruthless, power hungry, uncaring, vicious" while netflix defines him as "whiny, overly-emotional, fragile, vicious". 2 completely different characters yet netflix claims to have captured the original and improved on Vicious because "the anime didn't flesh him out correctly". dawg yall didn't even nail his traits down smdh

  • @FazerGS
    @FazerGS 2 года назад +59

    As someone who has grown up with parents in the entertainment industry, and who is entering the animation industry, I really appreciate the homework you've done on this one. So many times internet critics will bash shows not understanding AT ALL how a production is created, but hearing valid criticism from someone who at least has researched how these big corporate decisions go is very refreshing.
    I was also surprised when you mentioned how Japan's anime industry profits, as that's something unknown to a lot of people. There is a great video by "Surviving Animation" here on YT called "The Business of Anime!" that really explains how anime series get made under production committees.

  • @marshalhammel5065
    @marshalhammel5065 2 года назад +296

    I like how Bennett does these nuanced dives and analysis while keeping aspects of the snarky humor from his early work.

    • @BennettTheSage
      @BennettTheSage  2 года назад +79

      I do try and be entertaining, especially when I go into Hollywood politics and economics.

    • @marshalhammel5065
      @marshalhammel5065 2 года назад +7

      @@BennettTheSage I think you do a great job at discussing complex or multifaceted topics while maintaining an engaging level of entertainment, which I know can be difficult. I, like many fans, am thankful for all the seen and unseen effort you put into your work. Best of luck in your future endeavors, both in work and life.

    • @josciety5579
      @josciety5579 2 года назад +11

      @@BennettTheSage it’s so nice to see someone actually discuss the internal politics behind the production without turning it into some weird culture war rant

    • @nicolasmeisel
      @nicolasmeisel 2 года назад +2

      @@josciety5579 You mean like the other 90% of what gets called "anitube"

    • @nicolasmeisel
      @nicolasmeisel 2 года назад +5

      @@josciety5579 more to the point, I think this does demonstrate that art is political and that's ok. The politics are never the issue. It's more how we, as audience, respond to those politics being addressed and how they are discussed.

  • @RevantheBlack
    @RevantheBlack 2 года назад +61

    “I don’t game much anymore” I hear that, pretty much just game with what I already own at this point

    • @RippahRooJizah
      @RippahRooJizah 2 года назад +2

      I'm kinda iffy on throwing Squeenix under the bus, though. Like, Squeenix are saints compared to the other companies named.
      That said, there's good reasons to keep gaming nowadays with newer stuff, there's just a lot of popular chaff to go through. Metroid Dread, Mad Rat Dead, 13 Sentinels, and Yakuza 7 are among some of my favorite games in a long while and they were only released within the last 2 years.
      If you simply don't have the time, sure, that's fair, but it would be a mistake to think that there is simply nothing good coming out nowadays.

    • @kaiawase
      @kaiawase 2 года назад +2

      @@RippahRooJizah You take that back right now. Square died to make squeenix and the world has been suffering since because of it.

    • @RippahRooJizah
      @RippahRooJizah 2 года назад

      @@kaiawase I said "saints by comparison". Still, the world has suffered more from what the others did than Squeenix.

    • @mattrocde
      @mattrocde 2 года назад

      @@kaiawase Yeah, but Square Enix for now has far less severe sins of far lesser variety than the likes of Blizzard, EA, or even Ubisoft in many ways. That said, Squeenix is still very much a large corporation with very little individualized direction in a truly positive sense - with perhaps the exception of FF 14's general direction.

  • @razorjake6839
    @razorjake6839 2 года назад +32

    Netflix's Cowboy Bebop was like a play that had a dedicated cast, some trying really hard to make it work while the one playing Vicious is just running around the stage acting like an idiot. -_-'

  • @spencerdokes6056
    @spencerdokes6056 2 года назад +89

    I love how they call Spike fearless but hes on the run from his past the whole time

    • @mrpurple11
      @mrpurple11 2 года назад +9

      Lol true. Spike's arc if that he's pretty much willing to die for any bounty bc he doesn't want to face his past. So it's a false sense of _fearless_

    • @NeroLeMorte
      @NeroLeMorte 2 года назад +3

      Fearless just another woke term for "brave"

    • @thebrutusmars
      @thebrutusmars 2 года назад +4

      @@NeroLeMorte
      What the hell do you think “woke” means

    • @thebrutusmars
      @thebrutusmars 2 года назад +1

      Tbf, in the Bebop Movie, Spike says (mild spoiler: after being shot) something along the lines of “first time I’ve felt fear…”
      His actions generally should be characterized by his ‘fearlessness’ and nonchalant attitude towards death. Other people in this thread have talked about how it’s a false sense of fearlessness, so I won’t repeat them.

    • @NeroLeMorte
      @NeroLeMorte 2 года назад +1

      @@thebrutusmars woke=sjw pandering terms

  • @RandomBlackGamer
    @RandomBlackGamer 2 года назад +114

    5:36 sheesh. I feel for Japanese anime consumers. We thought we had it bad during the 90s with overpriced anime DVD volumes. But these people's pockets are still getting gutted. Its no wonder they're opting to just import Western anime Blu-ray collections.

    • @bbbandito353
      @bbbandito353 2 года назад +11

      Its is still bad last time I was in Japan I saw a gundam box set for $300. DVDs are still like $40 for 2-3 episodes and blue rays come to about $65-80 per disc still with only 2-3 episodes.

    • @imwithstupid086
      @imwithstupid086 2 года назад +1

      Japan, indeed all of East Asia, is the land of hyperconsumerism. Always has been since at least their postwar recoveries.

    • @Actar_Raikit
      @Actar_Raikit 2 года назад +14

      @@imwithstupid086 That's... not the reason at all. There's a really, really big market for DVD rentals in Japan, so people don't actually have a reason to buy personal copies. That's why prices for DVDs are high - to increase the profit margin and to target collectors.

    • @iamantieverything87
      @iamantieverything87 2 года назад +6

      @@imwithstupid086 hyperconsumerism would actually mean low costs to promote consumption. learn what words mean :)

    • @ForrestFox626
      @ForrestFox626 2 года назад

      I don't blame them

  • @MixMasterLar
    @MixMasterLar 2 года назад +73

    Someone once pointed out that Ed's function in the show is literally just to lighten the mood and give the audience some time away from all the depressing themes the rest of the show deals in. It may have the side effect that Ed is the least used character and also the least important, but without her the show would be such a drag to keep watching.
    Ed's my least favorite of the cast, but for what the Anime Version was going for, she's very important to how watchable the overall show is.

    • @satansjihad6353
      @satansjihad6353 2 года назад +6

      So shes pretty much like Puck in Berserk.

    • @MixMasterLar
      @MixMasterLar 2 года назад +3

      @@satansjihad6353 to a far lesser degree, but yeah.

    • @svetlanasannikova6073
      @svetlanasannikova6073 2 года назад +3

      The purpose of Ed in the anime is to connect Faye to her past, as in Speak like a Child and Hard Luck Woman. But, yes, she also lightens the mood.

    • @colleen4ever
      @colleen4ever 2 года назад

      I LOVE Ed!!

    • @thebrutusmars
      @thebrutusmars 2 года назад +1

      She also gives Ein a constant friend 💪

  • @mcbfilms22
    @mcbfilms22 2 года назад +36

    Just imagine how fucked that AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER live-action Netflix adaptation is going to be.

    • @JKPancake
      @JKPancake 5 месяцев назад +2

      Hi from the future, it's FUCKED

    • @mcbfilms22
      @mcbfilms22 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@JKPancake 😀😌

  • @aaronorenstein5963
    @aaronorenstein5963 2 года назад +32

    What you said towards the end of the video regarding the blind nostalgia driving entertainment these days is exactly the kind of thing Jay Sherman was always saying back in '94-'95--and he was a cartoon character. It's something that still carries over even today--"If the movie used to be a TV show, just don't go. After Roman numeral II, give it a rest. If it's a remake of the classic, RENT THE CLASSIC!".

    • @mrpurple11
      @mrpurple11 2 года назад +4

      Well, The Critic was made by the same people (ok part of) who made the first bunch of seasons of The Simpson. Aka the seasons that _made the prediction_ so it's understandable

  • @ManOutofTime913
    @ManOutofTime913 2 года назад +111

    The movie was the only time every character, Ed included, contributed to the story coming to the conclusion.
    Also, yeah, people should not feel obligated to watch crap or at least to spend money to watch crap under any circumstances. Just let it die. There's so much good media that deserves your time.

    • @BingleDOop
      @BingleDOop 2 года назад

      what about the chess master episode?

    • @colleen4ever
      @colleen4ever 2 года назад

      @@BingleDOop I LOVE that ep!

  • @averagejoe5145
    @averagejoe5145 2 года назад +111

    I've mentioned this before elsewhere, but I think the ONLY way that a live-action Ed would've worked is if they rewrote her into a quirky "playful hacker" character. If they wanted a bit of "wackiness" as a nod to her characterization in the original show, then just give her an animated online avatar that can do wacky stuff! I know the quirky hacker character has been done before, but I honestly think it would've been the best case scenario. I agree that making a sequel to the anime version of Cowboy Bebop would've also been difficult. Maybe not impossible, but VERY difficult kind of like how it's been difficult to make a sequel to Code Geass or (if you want a western example) Watchmen comic books. The endings of both made it VERY HARD to come up with ideas for sequels & both had to do it in slightly different ways. In Code Geass' case, they had to make an alternate movie continuity for it to make ANY sense. In the case of Doomsday Clock (the contested sequel to Watchmen), they basically had to transplant Dr. Manhattan INTO THE DC UNIVERSE to sidestep some of the continuity issues that ANY sequel to Watchmen would probably have.

    • @Tamlinearthly
      @Tamlinearthly 2 года назад +6

      "Animated avatar" seems like exactly the way to do a creative reinterpretation of a character that adapts the concept to a new medium without abandoning what made it distinctive in the first place--that everybody would just end up pissed off about anyway.

    • @averagejoe5145
      @averagejoe5145 2 года назад +12

      @@Tamlinearthly Yeah, I just think Ed's energy & personality can't be replicated very well in live-action at all. Some of the things Ed could do in the anime would also require a gymnast or contortionist actress or stunt double to pull off IRL too. That being said I have no ill will toward Eden Perkins who did their best with the material they were given to work with. Instead, I blame the show's writers for not finding a better way to adapt Ed's character. There's one other thing I feel I should mention here that I've brought up elsewhere: When I first heard of the live-action Cowboy Bebop, I groaned & predicted that the adaptation would turn out to be a knockoff of Joss Whedon's Firefly. I turned out to be PARTIALLY correct as apparently the writers of Netflix's Bebop were trying to imitate Whedon's writing style! There's an article by Gita Jackson on Vice's website all about that. It was referenced in the video Mother's Basement did on Netflix's Cowboy Bebop as well. I think a lot of things that annoyed & angered fans of the original anime probably stems from how hard they tried to imitate Whedon's style as well. From the sound of it (and I say this because I haven't watched it yet), it seems like the writers were trying REALLY hard to imitate his quippy dialogue & failed.

    • @averagejoe5145
      @averagejoe5145 2 года назад +3

      A bit of an addendum to my earlier comment: I forgot to mention when I commented earlier that there is apparently another show by Watanabe that I've heard takes place in Cowboy Bebop's universe. It's the "Netflix Original" show Carole & Tuesday. I don't know much about it, but I've heard it's more of a "sidequel" or spinoff than a continuation of the original Cowboy Bebop. Fans will probably enjoy it more than the live-action series at least. I can't give a 100% guarantee on it since I haven't seen it yet & I've heard it's also a music series rather than an action series. I'll be watching it for myself in the near future in any case.

    • @NeroLeMorte
      @NeroLeMorte 2 года назад +3

      @@averagejoe5145 " Fucking bullshit Fucking bullshit Fucking bullshit Holy shit, oh fucker" - 10 /10 I would reccommend the carole and tuesday anime for those lyrics alone.

    • @NeroLeMorte
      @NeroLeMorte 2 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/OFjqEexH0Tg/видео.html

  • @TankHardcheese
    @TankHardcheese 2 года назад +59

    I still can't seem to wrap my head around the Netflix Bebop fiasco. There have been rumors of a live-action Bebop adaptation since at least 2008. 13 motherhumping years of rumors, speculation, and hype. It's finally come to fruition.... and this is the result. Crazy. God help us when they finally do make a live-action Akira.

    • @bluecanine3374
      @bluecanine3374 2 года назад +5

      Especially with how much harder Akira would be to adapt. While Cowboy Bebop draws from multiple decades for technology, social issues, and genre tropes, Akira is pretty solidly an Japan in the 80s sort of thing in terms of conflict, social fears and attitudes towards things. And I don't mean in the nostalgia pandering "Remember video stores, payphones and these things that were popular only in this decade?!".
      I mean in the way horror movies have changed greatly based on the time periods like fear of people being secretly evil in a decade of fear of spies and nukes, then later you get a bunch of films focused on killers getting you in your home or school in q decade that saw a sharp increase in violent crimes in suburban areas, then the phase of "tortue porn" that focused on the gore during the years America was dealing with a bloody war with reports of torture and gruesome explosive deaths hitting the news.
      That is Akira, it is something that wouldn't git the same if you replicated it or tried to update it.

    • @rokdri9983
      @rokdri9983 2 года назад +1

      Yeah is going to be shit if they adapt it, a product of its time and of the medium, companies are another thing but I don't see any reasonable person in the film making industry stupid enough to take an Akira project

    • @bluecanine3374
      @bluecanine3374 2 года назад +1

      @@rokdri9983 if Dragonball Evolution has taught us anything is that yes, yes there is always someone in the film industry ready to make a bad idea

    • @mrpurple11
      @mrpurple11 2 года назад +1

      Those times with keanu an a photoshopped green wigs, we were so innocent back then. I idea of Robert Pattison being considered for the so called Akira live action were our only problems. Now i just prefer they don't make anything at all. Although I'm on the minority but I enjoyed the Ghost in the shell adaptation.

    • @garytsang5673
      @garytsang5673 2 года назад +2

      Well Akira is female. Always has been.
      And Kaori is destined to join with Akira to fight the Japanese patriarchy. Destroy the nation if she has to!

  • @ursidae97
    @ursidae97 2 года назад +50

    Every actor who came on enthusiastic to show their love for the project and medium gets left in the dust, each with absolute wretched scars on their resumes, and Netflix takes the money and runs. Awesome. >:(

  • @spookydonkey513
    @spookydonkey513 2 года назад +43

    It’s like the director told the actor playing Vicious to do Raul Julia’s M. Bison but even more campy and over the top.

    • @hafirenggayuda
      @hafirenggayuda 2 года назад +12

      Raul Julia got great charisma and acting skill, even if he acting in stupid scene, he can make it look good.
      This Vicious actor, even if he got skills, doesn't make his scenes look good. Lousy hair too

    • @JanusKastin
      @JanusKastin 2 года назад +1

      That's what I was trying to put my finger on while watching this review. Come to think of it, the whole show gives off a Street Fighter II The Movie vibe. The whole nobody-asked-for-this-why-are-you-doing-this thing.

    • @hafirenggayuda
      @hafirenggayuda 2 года назад +2

      Anyway, if you've seen Hardcore Henry, Akan can be a better Vicious.
      Yes the hair still looks silly, but the acting and story makes Akan far more dangerous and lethal there

    • @mrpurple11
      @mrpurple11 2 года назад +1

      Come to think of it, they could have gone with a character similar to Marsellus from Pulp fiction. I mean a character who is sadistic, possessive, actually vicious and still seen carrying fast food for lunch. It won't be Vicious from the anime but still something🤔

    • @denkerbosu3551
      @denkerbosu3551 2 года назад +2

      Sorrry but the iconic "To you it was the most important day of your life; to me it was Thursday." has way too much weight, making this VIcius look like a feather.

  • @Igorcastrochucre
    @Igorcastrochucre 2 года назад +42

    Here's my theory: even if Netflix doesn't share viewership numbers of a series, the right holders would certainly take notice how often the streaming rights get renewed, and how early other streaming services jump in to snatch them, essentially allowing them to make negotiations with higher prices.
    So stuff like Bebop 2021 is supposed to be a long-term solution to that problem, making their own exclusive take on it, means that they have their own take that could be marketed as new. Netflix essentially is remaking all of these properties like She's All That, One Piece, the entire Roald Dahl state so they can have their own version of these works that'll be in the service all year around.
    It's not good because it doesn't need to be, it just need to be there for people who want to watch this anime their friends keep talking about, but they don't buy physical media and don't want an entirely new subscription just for one show, so the remake might fill in the gaps just enough. It certainly would benefit them if it was great, but not shocking if it wasn't.

  • @jeyleftblank5660
    @jeyleftblank5660 2 года назад +96

    I'm going to be gentle with this-
    Cowboy Bebop didn't need to be adapted, it told its story in the format it was meant to be told in. But in the defense of a live action Bebop, it's about ten years past its prime and needed to tell its own story, not be a fan-fictionized revision of the story written for a "modern" audience. If they had stuck true to the characters, characterizations, and framework of the source material and made a (good) limited series or a movie, people would've sought out the anime if they'd never seen it before or reinvested in it if they had.
    The reason why, let's say, the Kenshin movies were so fantastic isn't because a Japanese studio made it. It's because there was dedication put into making GOOD MOVIES. A reverence for the story and its characters. A respect for the series. The people who put Netflix's Bebop into motion clearly didn't have any of that. And I'm supposed to feel BAD that these people lost jobs? In the "real world", simply put, if you do a shit job; you get fired. That's how it goes.
    There was a lot at stake in making an adaptation of Bebop, and no matter how good a job they did, they were never going to please everybody. But they didn't do a good job. And it severely crippled any chances or interest of seeing another adaptation of the series. To channel my inner Gordon Ramsey: Cowboy Bebop? Cowboy BeFLOP.

    • @AndrevusWhitetail
      @AndrevusWhitetail 2 года назад +13

      "not be a fan-fictionized revision of the story written for a "modern" audience"
      It feels like 95% of Netflix "adaptations" fall into this category sadly.

    • @Vesperitis
      @Vesperitis 2 года назад +6

      The kenshin movies had one advantage: They only needed to get the action scenes right. They basically changed/excised a lot of the side characters and story to instead focus on the fights, which they managed to modify into something still fairly anime but drastically different from the original source.

    • @merchantfan
      @merchantfan 2 года назад +4

      Honestly, a big part of this is also just a Netflix problem- any anime adaptation is hard but Netflix original content has been *rough* lately. Hulu and HBOMax have some really good original programming going on right now (and I'd especially point to Hulu bc it's been around about as long as Netflix and isn't in that initial "spend money like water" phase). Netflix couldn't even do their fake Lifetime movies well and those are super formulaic

    • @TheSufferingDarkness
      @TheSufferingDarkness 2 года назад

      The medium is the message, after all.

    • @PhoenixFireZero
      @PhoenixFireZero 2 года назад +6

      There's this outdated notion that anything other than live-action isn't a legitimate means of telling a story, that animation is always for children.

  • @HolyknightVader999
    @HolyknightVader999 2 года назад +236

    On the notion that many anime fans are OK with just 1 season of their favorite show, it gives them the impetus to move on. To not just get stuck watching the same story. That encourages fans to enjoy other things. It also gives the story a certain poignancy that MCU-style series lacked, that it has a beginning, a middle, and an end. It makes the events in the story more profound, gives them meaning, because it's not just an endless cycle of repeating tales that go on and on and on, which is why the events on American comic books barely even have the significance of events in anime or manga.
    Western comics will always reset their events and bring things back to a status quo so they can milk a series ad infinitum, whereas a manga or an anime will have a beginning, middle, and end. This makes events in western comics cheap, as they can be overridden and will be overridden, removing any dramatic impact from the story, whereas major events in an anime like the death of Lalah Sune in Mobile Suit Gundam, or Lelouch sacrificing himself to restore world peace in Code Geass, they are permanent, and their dramatic impact stays with the viewer, because we know that there's no reset button that will make such events pointless.

    • @BennettTheSage
      @BennettTheSage  2 года назад +83

      The fact that One Piece is FINALLY ending next year gave me pause, since that was the one property I expected to just keep going until the end of time, but even Luffy's time will come to an end.

    • @SerifSansSerif
      @SerifSansSerif 2 года назад +26

      This was a point made in the author's notes of 8 bit theater back in the early 00's. I would say that anime/manga not milking the hell out of their properties has the exception of shounen and that after studying the US, we're now getting the whole "milk the nostalgia and sequel" market BS. New continuation of bleach, remade fruits basket, remade/additional content for cardcaptor Sakura, Kenshin getter more anime made..... The US market ruined anime.

    • @castle23clash
      @castle23clash 2 года назад +16

      That's part of why I'm abit nervous with the direction the anime and manga industry is going in now as its appearing to have been morphing more into Hollywood with their rise in popularity (quantity of shows over quality, unnecessary anime sequels to popular shows (Dragon Ball, Code Geass, Higurashi, etc
      ) more adaptations over original shows and rushed productions to meet air times).

    • @HolyknightVader999
      @HolyknightVader999 2 года назад +15

      @@BennettTheSage Exactly. Even the most long-running anime eventually runs out of steam and ends. Western comics, not so much.

    • @SerifSansSerif
      @SerifSansSerif 2 года назад +20

      @@castle23clash oh it's far worse .... The Japanese crank capitalistic consumerism to 11. Hence the constant recycling of Isekai till the well runs dry, or how the softcore porn aspect of a cheesecake show just amps up every successive property. Anime was best when it was relatively disregarded overseas and otakuism was cringe. I could also say that it was when things generally cost less, and their was more money and chance to be experimental all around but then I'd be labelled as a communist by today's standards so.....

  • @Gackt4awesome
    @Gackt4awesome 2 года назад +137

    Netflix: “We want to challenge Disney!”
    Me: “then give money to projects like Arcane and don’t fund live action series”
    Netflix: “Nah, let’s just keep making live action One Piece and Yu Yu Hakusho!”

    • @katherinealvarez9216
      @katherinealvarez9216 2 года назад +5

      They just cancelled Julie and the Phantoms. So that is correct.

    • @comixproviderftw_02
      @comixproviderftw_02 2 года назад +8

      And live action Avatar The Last Airbender

    • @leighmercadokfphrdept.2197
      @leighmercadokfphrdept.2197 2 года назад +3

      *facepalming * Sometimes people in Netflix are stupid

    • @kamenrideraquarius
      @kamenrideraquarius 2 года назад +7

      Well if one piece lice action is decent then they have 1035 chapters of managa to adapt as of December 17 2021 , I doubt heavily it will be good, I doubt they will even make it out of the east blue

    • @Insanity2thePrawn
      @Insanity2thePrawn 2 года назад +4

      @@kamenrideraquarius Considering that the shown characters are Luffy, Sanji, Nami and Zoro, I can only hope its Baratie or Aarlong Park. Anything more would be awful.

  • @Caernath
    @Caernath 2 года назад +35

    Me: "I wonder what insights Sage will share with us this time!"
    Sage: "Cowboy Bebop is very, very French."
    Me: "...what?"

    • @comixproviderftw_02
      @comixproviderftw_02 2 года назад +10

      So many cigarettes

    • @CornishCreamtea07
      @CornishCreamtea07 2 года назад +9

      @@comixproviderftw_02 I think that was because Keiko Nobumoto was a chain smoker.

    • @leonardotavaresdardenne9955
      @leonardotavaresdardenne9955 2 года назад +8

      @@CornishCreamtea07 when I read she died of cancer I figured it must have been from cigarettes if the characters are any indication...

    • @mrpurple11
      @mrpurple11 2 года назад

      Well, he's right the anime broadcasted a year after Luc Besson's The fifth element.

    • @grisflyt
      @grisflyt 2 года назад +1

      @@mrpurple11 I don't think it's The Fifth Element, but Jean Giraud. "Comic artists Jean 'Moebius' Giraud and Jean-Claude Mézières, whose books provided inspiration for parts of the film, were hired for production design" for the movie.
      Jean Giraud inspired Blade Runner, Alien, Hayao Miyazaki, etc.

  • @ExeErdna
    @ExeErdna 2 года назад +4

    Yes! that's whole point of Julia. Spike talked about her like she was already dead all his flashbacks were like she died years ago. So you cannot "fridge" a character that was "already dead". The fans of the Netflix ver. ignored all the nuance and the allusion of death. They wanted a cheapo "strong female" character that ended up weaker in the Netflix ver.

  • @cartmann94
    @cartmann94 2 года назад +56

    2 episode DVD sets for the equivalent of $50?
    Wow, and I thought the old DBZ DVDs charging $20 per 3-episode volume was price gouging (and still was).
    Today, you get the whole Cowboy Bebop series in Bluray for less than $50.

    • @nightmarefanatic1819
      @nightmarefanatic1819 2 года назад +4

      Or, if you don't need e everything new, $20 for the entire series on DVD like I did. You just have to play the waiting game and know where to look.

    • @tvesrb
      @tvesrb 2 года назад +4

      Yup. 20$ for DVD. 30$ for Blu-ray.

    • @300DBenz
      @300DBenz 2 года назад +4

      I paid $80 (ouch) for the Outlaw Star DVD set back in the day. Suncoast was a cool store, but their prices were brutal!

    • @thereluctanthipster6075
      @thereluctanthipster6075 2 года назад +2

      Three episodes per disc is about the standard rate for Anime in Japan today. Keep in mind that owning the series there is seen the same as buying a figure, it's a non-essential luxury collectible that only exists to recoup costs because the anime itself is produced with a shoestring budget and slave labor.

    • @autumbreeze1129
      @autumbreeze1129 2 года назад +1

      @@nightmarefanatic1819 agreed. Heck, earlier this year I finished a waiting game I'd forgotten I was playing regarding Samurai Gun.
      Found the whole series on DVD second hand at a Salvation Army store for only $10.
      A waiting game well played and won.

  • @lorvincent
    @lorvincent 2 года назад +19

    The ending is a metaphor for how the show got cancelled. Everyone left, and Spike got shot.

  • @arx3516
    @arx3516 2 года назад +14

    If Netflix wants an MCU they should contact Go Nagai and set up a "Dynamic Anime Universe", a list of interconnected anime series based on Nagai and Ishikawa's IPs.

  • @TevyaSmolka
    @TevyaSmolka 2 года назад +25

    At this point Netflix needs to stop doing anime adaption because they keep failing.

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka 2 года назад +2

      @@starmaker75 sadly I don’t see the one piece adaptation on Netflix working in live action.

    • @starmaker75
      @starmaker75 2 года назад +1

      I meant ones that aren’t impossible to do live action. Sorry spell error

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka 2 года назад

      @@starmaker75 that's okay

    • @chucheeness7817
      @chucheeness7817 2 года назад +1

      I bet they'd even fail adapting any slice of life anime.

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka 2 года назад +2

      @@chucheeness7817 that wouldn't be a shock to me

  • @KevinVideo
    @KevinVideo 2 года назад +20

    I still remember buying Tenchi Muyo In Love on DVD for almost $60. DVDs have certainly gone down in price over here, but it seems Japan will always be paying sky high prices.

  • @callmeb.o.b.824
    @callmeb.o.b.824 2 года назад +29

    A sick part of my brain really wants to see a Netflix live action adaptation of The Big O...I don't know what's wrong with me...

    • @NavonodSemaj
      @NavonodSemaj 2 года назад +3

      Put Christopher Nolan on it.

    • @eamonndeane587
      @eamonndeane587 2 года назад +1

      @@NavonodSemaj Or Robert Rodriguez

    • @AlphaRaptor2k6
      @AlphaRaptor2k6 2 года назад

      Same issues, it ENDs(and I mean the original run NOT the Second Season Cartoon Network paid for(yuck)(though adding more cases might extend it)), and it might get blocked by WB, MGM/Eon Productions for being 'close'...

  • @FullmetalNinja25
    @FullmetalNinja25 2 года назад +89

    Y'know who I feel the worst for? Keanu Reeves. He spent so many years in fact over a decade trying to get Cowboy Bebop live action made and in the end he couldn't participate because he was filming The Matrix Resurrections and John Wick 4 at the time. Not saying him playing Spike instead of John Cho would've made the show good (It wouldn't have) but hey at least he's somewhat living out his live action Spike Spiegel fantasies with the John Wick films.

    • @colleen4ever
      @colleen4ever 2 года назад +15

      I could see him more as Vicent than Spike.
      I thought John Cho was good...he was one of the FEW things about that that was good.

    • @SaiScribbles
      @SaiScribbles 2 года назад +20

      That is the most painful part. I don't think Bebop is impossible to do in live action but these motherfuckers didn't even TRY.

    • @BloodyBraces
      @BloodyBraces 2 года назад +3

      let's hope that hellsing live action will be ok at least

    • @thereluctanthipster6075
      @thereluctanthipster6075 2 года назад +9

      I feel worse for Robin Williams. He would have killed as Gendou Ikari.

    • @Sorain1
      @Sorain1 2 года назад +5

      @@thereluctanthipster6075 You know, a lot of folks wouldn't understand how Robin Williams could be intimidating. Those folks haven't seen One Hour Photo. I agree with you, he could have done Gendou Ikari justice.

  • @Ravensgale
    @Ravensgale 2 года назад +13

    Yeah, considering I have a good friend who related to Gren a bit I could tell they'd watched it when they sent me a text of Netflix Bebop Gren and the caption, "Look at how they massacred my boy."

  • @Asaji05
    @Asaji05 2 года назад +26

    What really disappointed me was the amount of people telling “it’s good”, and then proceed to count the flaws it has and it always were more than the good things, this was the first time in many years that I felt I wasted my time watching something and it really led to me thinking about what I’m consuming, I really paced down the Netflix and chill because I’m really disappointed that this adaptation was below average, I don’t like Death Note but then again I find the Netflix adaptation to be so bad it’s hilarious territory.
    Also, I can’t really say Netflix shouldn’t touch anime, because it helped many series to get a better reach outside Japan, like Carol and Tuesday and Beastars, also, two of the greatest hits on America were animations, The Mitchell’s vs the Machines and Arcane, I don’t like Riot because they are an awful company but I recognize Arcane is a great work

  • @fry4guy421
    @fry4guy421 2 года назад +6

    The sad thing is that this series could have worked! Cowboy Bebop is one of the few anime that could actually be interpreted into live action and I was looking forward to it! The music sounded just like the anime, cg looked good, hell I even thought a lot of the comedy in the trailers worked! It felt like a anime come to life! Instead we got... this. Also I did think this adaptation could go to interesting directions like when (and I know this is an unpopular opinion) Julia betrays Spike and leads the syndicate. I thought it was a unique twist that brought up a lot of new possibilities. The only problem I have with it is that it comes completely out of nowhere!

    • @Devilsblood
      @Devilsblood Год назад +1

      Yeah, I'm glad this show got canceled.

  • @naterivers6107
    @naterivers6107 2 года назад +8

    Netflix ignored the biggest problem with their attempts at doing life action remakes, and that is nearly every anime live action remake isn't just disliked, they are overtly hated. Save for James Cameron's passion project with his Alita Battle Angel remake, it's a complete swamp. Dragon Ball, Ghost in the Shell, Avatar the Last Air Bender, Death Note, these are all beloved franchises no one wanted to see remade and their box office numbers, not to mention concenses, reflect that. Cowboy Bebop was doom. One Piece and Yu Yu Hakisho are completely doomed.

    • @thereluctanthipster6075
      @thereluctanthipster6075 2 года назад +2

      Death Note could have worked, but instead of a battle of wits we got a battle of nit-wits. The writers just weren't up to the task.

    • @SerifSansSerif
      @SerifSansSerif 2 года назад

      There's been many many adaptations prior to even evolution. The guyver movies and fist of the north star are campy as hell but pretty good and worth a watch. Crying freeman never gets reviewed, and it's a dull movie, but honestly, I feel like it stayed truer to the source material than some of the ones listed. Speed racer has it's fans these days as well, though I can't judge since I haven't seen it.
      The holy grail of anime adaptation is 4 things: 1. American made.(Japanese adaptations of anime is kinda like cheating) 2. Adapted from a well known source (edge of tomorrow is an adaptation of manga, and there's a few movies that I can't recall) 3. Of a significantly large enough budget. 4. Appeals to critics and anime fans alike. (Alita failed only with the critics).
      We keep getting closer, though cowboy bebop was a bit of a step backward.

  • @nawf4372
    @nawf4372 2 года назад +14

    So now, that everyone's complained about how live action adaptations are ruining anime, can we talk about "Lensman".
    The anime series that straight up tanked any hope of getting sci-fi's version of "Lord of the Rings" adapted into a movie.
    Seriously, people won't shut up about how influential "Dune" is, while the "Lensman" books are so influential that people have straight up ripped it off, vehemently deny ever even hearing of it. Looking at you Green Lantern.
    The fallout to that series was so bad, it may have been why Japan now has those strict creator rights laws mentioned in this review.

    • @thereluctanthipster6075
      @thereluctanthipster6075 2 года назад

      I see someone watches Kenneth Lauderdale. But seriously I would love to see the Lensman anime AND a revival of the franchise.

    • @mrpurple11
      @mrpurple11 2 года назад

      Ah, a fellow follower of Kenny i see.

    • @whathell6t
      @whathell6t 2 года назад

      @Nawf
      Anime weebs are also forgetting tokusatsu medium, where 70% of anime tropes come from.

  • @thisithis
    @thisithis 2 года назад +30

    Cowboy Bebop I wasn't the only franchise that Netflix was betting on taking on the MCU. Netflix also bought out Millarworld created by Mark Millar with their first tv show being Jupiter's Legacy which was canceled just three weeks after Jupiter's Legacy show debuted just like Cowboy Bebop was. And Netflix paid a ton of money for Millarworld, I think somewhere like 3 million. That Super Crooks Anime was made before Netflix took over Millarworld, and there was going to be a Super Crooks Live-action series following Jupiter's Legacy as well as a Second season to Jupiter's Legacy, all canceled leaving Netflix with an already finished anime of Super Crooks, and no advertisement for it. But the Anime did pretty good anyway. Seeing how Amazons Invincible pretty much killed Jupiter's Legacy and its spin-off Super Crooks. Oh, and Dai Satō help write the Scripps for Super Crooks Anime with Bones production producing the show.

    • @Dave102693
      @Dave102693 2 года назад

      Netflix needs to stop buying crap and make their own stuff for once.

    • @katherinealvarez9216
      @katherinealvarez9216 2 года назад

      Oh yeah, I completely forgot about Jupiter legacy's.

  • @captainautobots
    @captainautobots 2 года назад +34

    The only good thing about the bebop show, and this isn't really a good argument, is that it gave Netflix a reason to host the original anime for people who never saw it, like me. But I suspect this will also be short-lived. Netflix was hosting Saint Seiya before it released the CGI reboot; unfortunately, the reboot was bad, and the original anime was removed just this month. Whether or not that was the reason, the takeaway is to watch the anime Bebop while you still can.

    • @lonewolffang
      @lonewolffang 2 года назад +3

      Good thing I found the complete series for $20. Kinda sucks that they drop everything else because one project fails though. They could have kept the original Saint Seiya on even if the cgi version didn't pan out.

    • @mrpurple11
      @mrpurple11 2 года назад

      It's all in RUclips but I'm referring to the perfect latin Spanish sub

  • @thecharmcityplayerbrandona8827
    @thecharmcityplayerbrandona8827 2 года назад +149

    In my opinion if there are ever going to do another anime adaptation I think Black Lagoon would be the best option because it actually takes place in the real world.

    • @starmaker75
      @starmaker75 2 года назад +19

      Another Anime adaption I think can worked is lupin the third.

    • @NessieNep
      @NessieNep 2 года назад +19

      Gunsmith Cats is an even better bet imho. Like they have to absolutely TRY to screw that up.

    • @longlivethesheet4561
      @longlivethesheet4561 2 года назад +20

      @@starmaker75 There’s already been a live-action adaptation of the original Lupin stories, ironically by Netflix. Also ironically, it doesn’t suck

    • @r.e.z9428
      @r.e.z9428 2 года назад +14

      Yea, the issue is, they can’t find good writers.

    • @starmaker75
      @starmaker75 2 года назад +4

      Well I guess Netflix already did there lupin adaption. Rather then direction adaption, maybe make spiritual adaption.

  • @thats4thebirds
    @thats4thebirds 2 года назад +21

    One Piece is about to get what one can only call the live action 4kidsing.
    Gonna just brutalize it lol

    • @kamenrideraquarius
      @kamenrideraquarius 2 года назад +1

      Don't hurt my soul just keep Ace away

    • @kitestar
      @kitestar 2 года назад +1

      Don’t even give them that idea, you know that’s not what anyone wants

  • @GForce4
    @GForce4 2 года назад +11

    A good clarifying point is that Ed's Live action actor refers to Ed with She/Her

    • @denkerbosu3551
      @denkerbosu3551 2 года назад +3

      Well, it was a she in the original. She says so herself, iirc.

  • @3090cael
    @3090cael 2 года назад +3

    my issue with viscous in the show was they talked about him like he was the person from the anime. but in the first few episodes when spike shoots at his window and he freaks out like a scared child and runs off. that is just the first one of many but we all know in the anime vicious would have seen spike stabbed his own driver and slammed the car into the spot he saw spike. they kept talking about a cold nightmare of blood and anger he only once shows that and every other time he was just a wineing child. i really liked the show over all. yeah there was some bad i figure its about as good as it could have been.

    • @deebrown7915
      @deebrown7915 2 года назад +1

      They butchered Vicious in the netflix show. 😆
      Vicious shouldnt have had a bigger part. Julia, annie or gren either.
      The show was mainly about the bebop crew bounty hunting together and dealing with their past when past issues surfaced.
      Spike's past issues come into play when Vicious pops up, and Vicious is only in 5 episodes outta 26. So spike wasnt fighting his past damn nearly every episode like the netflix show suggested.
      Vicious was like a demonic shadow that would pop up every now and then to remind spike of what he used to be.

  • @TheJadedJames
    @TheJadedJames 2 года назад +4

    This show has A LOT of problems. But the most obvious problem from a writing perspective is that they tried to force serialization on what's supposed to be a show about bounty hunters. The Bebop crew doesn't have a collective over arching goal. They hunt criminals for money, and sometimes their personal lives get mixed up in that. I'd argue just incorporating cliffhangers in and of itself is a massive affront to Cowboy Bebop stylistically as it fundamentally erases all the moments of pathos, humor, and tragedy that capped episodes prior to the "See You Space Cowboy" tag. But because the core activity of bounty hunting has nothing to do with any kind of over arching goal, the show is awkwardly stuck with it while it tries to stretch out the love triangle that was only even mentioned in a handful of episodes of the anime out to an entire series arc. You would need to radically change what Cowboy Bebop is on an even more fundamental level than what we saw last month for it to truly work in the Netflix model. Like, if you told me I couldn't just make a normal adaptation of Asteroid Blues, and I had to insert Vicious and Julia in there ... I'd ask, what is even the point of remaking the anime ... why not make a "prequel" show that is just about Spike's days in the Syndicate. This show might still have the problem of Netflix's terrible adaptation of all the Syndicate characters. But you could tell a story in the Netflix binge format that could still use the iconography of a recognizable IP. You could do a couple seasons of a show that is just about Spike as a space gangster and if you are successful, you've got the plot of the anime to remake on the back end for at least two seasons of material.

  • @KamiRecca
    @KamiRecca 2 года назад +4

    In short words why Vicious failed:
    In the anime he was a Looming Shadow. In the netflix show he was a Failing Villain.

  • @Foreststrike
    @Foreststrike 2 года назад +4

    This kind of makes me argue:
    If everything is nostalgic, then nothing is created, and anything is not an original idea.

  • @NebLleb
    @NebLleb 2 года назад +6

    Regarding the whole "to sell spaceships" thing, Watanabe's final show wound up blindsiding Bandai, and as such they decided to pull out as they thought it wasn't going to sell any merch. That didn't stop expensive collectible replicas of the Swordfish from being made in the years following the show's success, though.
    Also, you can still see remnants of the "to sell spaceships" idea in the opening sequence, which proudly displays both the cast, and the craft/'machinery' they make use of. It even lists the names of the various ships they use in the background of the opening sequence.

  • @ZekeStaright
    @ZekeStaright 2 года назад +8

    Ed would probably NEVER work outside of animation, if anything, they should have made her a cartoon that invades screens whenever she needs to talk to the crew and if they ever found the real Ed, she'd be a brain in a jar or a body in a tube.

    • @deebrown7915
      @deebrown7915 2 года назад +2

      Lol that would probably piss original fans off even more. 😆
      At best, just tone her goofiness down a bit. She is a kid so keep the energetic tone a bit, but dont turn it up to 100 like in the anime. Lol

  • @adamblakeslee5301
    @adamblakeslee5301 2 года назад +9

    When my dad saw the reboot I went out of my way to show him the original.

    • @sbatou87
      @sbatou87 2 года назад

      What did he think of the original?

    • @adamblakeslee5301
      @adamblakeslee5301 2 года назад +1

      @@sbatou87 He only got through the first two episodes but he remarked it flowed a lot better than the adaptation.

    • @sbatou87
      @sbatou87 2 года назад

      @@adamblakeslee5301 Cool.

  • @deathsyth8888
    @deathsyth8888 2 года назад +4

    Netflix flew too close to the Sun in trying to adapt Cowboy Bebop, and that's putting it lightly. High expectations, production cost/issues, lack of focus and sub-par storytelling didn't help.

  • @TainakaRicchan
    @TainakaRicchan 2 года назад +16

    21:24
    Bennet calls bebop "very french"
    shows a traditional bottle of Chianti, a decidedly Italian red wine... ;)

  • @supsup335
    @supsup335 2 года назад +8

    The sad thing is, cowboy bebop and gundam are propably the best things to adapt to the hollywood way. But the sad thing is, they have great UNDERLYING messages that can easily be ignorer, twisted, watered down or just be ignored. At best, be can propably hope for a repeat of canadas biggest warcrime, g-savior, but i don't even have high enough hopes for that.

    • @chucheeness7817
      @chucheeness7817 2 года назад +2

      Ugh. I can't even imagine how they'll gonna botch the writing of MS Gundam. They'll probably use the same writing and dialogue formula from Bopflix

  • @ChristopherZubin
    @ChristopherZubin 2 года назад +3

    random frog: Hey you. Don't you know what this is? This here's the stairway to Heaven!
    Netflix: Sure I know....as if.

  • @NataliaNeeSama
    @NataliaNeeSama 2 года назад +4

    Wow, I didn't knew 12 episodes of Stone Ocean needed over 30 different studios to make! Never would expected JoJo to reach this much of money put into it.

  • @JaseAnimates
    @JaseAnimates 2 года назад +10

    Although Ed's actor was pretty spot on, it was also very hard to watch imo, so I'm kind of glad she was left out. It reminded me of naff masquerade skits I liked watching during my weeb days. Honestly, Ed should have been the only character that needed necessary changes, because she was the least likely to translate well outside of animation.
    But since every character in this had to be written as over the top versions of the originals, I guess toning her down was out of the question.

  • @claystuckey2282
    @claystuckey2282 2 года назад +2

    That game price joke absolutely nailed it 👌

  • @Robersora
    @Robersora 2 года назад +3

    The Live Action Cowboy Bebop feels more like a cartoon than the original Anime.

  • @leshrac369
    @leshrac369 2 года назад +18

    "Unless people with severe trust issues frequently have pillowtalk confessionals with their one night stands."
    I know this was a throwaway line, but I have to comment on it. As someone who works with people with trauma and severe trust issues. They do. They definately do. When they know they might never have to explain it any more people with issues similar will dump it on a someone they will probabaly never see again because its safer than dealing with the repercussions of sharing it with a friend.
    PTSD does wierd shit to your brain, yo.

  • @bretsheeley4034
    @bretsheeley4034 2 года назад +6

    After hearing how bad the Netflix show was, I re-watched the original (plus the movie). And it holds up beautifully.
    As for Ed, I think people tended to remember her being more overactive than she was. Sure, she had hyper-moments from time to time, but most of the time she wasn't really obnoxiously active. She was goofy, but for the most part she was kinda a background character who contributed to the plot when she needed to. It's just that some of the more extreme moments stood out in people's minds, and I think that colored a lot of people's memories.
    Even early on, I understood why she wasn't in the trailers. She doesn't enter the anime until episode 9 (I think). But I think she is still very adaptable. They needed to reel her activity just a little to keep it grounded, but then have those moments where she cuts loose. Showing an over-the-top cut-loose moment from the get-go was a mistake.
    But it was no worse the rest of the errors the production made.
    Anyway, I'm not going to feel angry over the bad adaptation. I've already learned it's best to just "disengage" when that happens, otherwise it just becomes one more frustration. And after experiencing the start of the crap version of "The Wheel of Time" being put out, I just don't want to waste my energy on that type of disappointment anymore.

  • @steampunker7
    @steampunker7 Год назад +2

    The irony to my mind is that Bebop anime itself was kind of a nostalgia trip. As mentioned in this review, it drew from spaghetti westerns, Kurosawa samurai films, martial arts flicks, blacksploitation, popcorn horror works, mobster movies, film noir, and more, all mashed together Tarantino style in a cyberpunk/scifi setting and drizzled in a heavy jazz/blues inspired soundtrack. Part of the fun of watching it is spotting the references and shout outs and even if you didn't understand exactly what was going on in the episode proper, you probably had enough pop culture familiarity to follow along with the broader story beats.
    The Netflix series seemed to bank itself on Bebop fan nostalgia, but miss the nostalgia Bebop itself was built on. And thus either falls flat or veers off into odd directions that lose the audience or undercuts its own narrative. The Spike/Vicious/Julia drama was indeed about as close to an overarching story as Bebop got. But the majority of the episodes, the best received ones and fun ones, were self contained pastiches where Spike and Co are involved in some weird caper or up against some colorful antagonist themed around some old movie or genre.
    And if I were to be so bold, based on that format alone, you could have easily made a Bebop that not only paid its respects to its previous influences, but maybe brought in a few new ones to spice it up. How about the crew of the Bebop being involved in an Ocean's 11 style heist or a "Die Hard on an X" scenario? What if their latest bounty was a Jigsaw style madman who sets up elaborate traps to punish those he sees as wronging him? Or maybe do one where the issue is a supposedly "haunted" computer virus that scares people to death a la the Ring or Grudge? Or they have to hunt down a washed up actor who thinks they are the "superhero" character they used to play and ends up causing more trouble by accident than actually helping people?
    Basically, lean into the idea that Bebop isn't a time capsule, but a rolling commentary and critique of pop culture itself, all filtered through an almost absurdist lens of a space western where an ex-cop, an ex-mobster, a wandering con woman, a Ritalin Kid hacker and their hyper intelligent dog are basically bumbling around trying to just survive and make a living.
    To my mind it doesn't really need to be anything more complicated than that.

  • @Match25
    @Match25 2 года назад +3

    What I hated is these people who are making these live-action remakes thinking they're improving or fixing the anime

  • @FoxEyes
    @FoxEyes 2 года назад +12

    I always look at cowboy bebop as the Castlevania IV of anime. Technically effective with the appropriate soundtrack and atmosphere to match.

    • @jackepong6300
      @jackepong6300 2 года назад +5

      Thats another adaptation that is spinning out of control. First half was great. After dracula dies it turns into this sexual identity politics mess that has death show up trying to shove dracula and his wife into a puppet body. Which is a shame becsuse they couldve adapted symphony of the night as the sequel after the first half. Instead of the garbadge we got.

    • @autobotstarscream765
      @autobotstarscream765 2 года назад

      @@jackepong6300 "Come back, Dracula! Come baaack!"

    • @thereluctanthipster6075
      @thereluctanthipster6075 2 года назад +2

      @@jackepong6300 It was already only a loose adaptation. It spat on the actual game continuity from the beginning. And it wanted to follow Game of Thrones off the gritty cliff, so it just made the world darker and darker. At least it's not Dragon's Dogma. They just took the concept and went full libertarian on it. I love the game but the series is crap.

    • @satansjihad6353
      @satansjihad6353 2 года назад +1

      I personally like the Castlevania anime quite a lot, the games were never know for it's story, but by it's atmosphere, music and gameplay, so I don't think all the narrative changes were bad. I would even say that some aspects of the show, such as Isaac's storyline, was quite good. Unfortunately, they ignored Curse of Darkness plot completly.

  • @sd5371
    @sd5371 2 года назад +13

    Thank you for not regurgitating the fake/troll hate over "jet isn't blavk" or "smoll bewbs" talking points people claim to be the actual reason for this show getting canceled a la the starwars sequels

  • @Speculativedude
    @Speculativedude 2 года назад +2

    From what I've seen, that 50 dollar price tag was pretty common. Matt Greenfield visited my local Anime convention a couple of times and once (some time around 2006-2007) said that it was very interesting when he goes to Japan and sees the price for anime there. At the time most U.S. companies were releasing DVDs with 3-4 episodes for around 20-25 dollars per volume and he said he was surprised when he would visit Japan and see the same anime for sale at 50 bucks for 2 episodes.

  • @thcollegestudent
    @thcollegestudent 2 года назад +19

    I feel like Netflix sealed their fate of chasing after others in the biz when they fired the guy behind Stranger things because his next show took just a little while longer to become a cult classic.

    • @mrpurple11
      @mrpurple11 2 года назад +1

      Which show it was?

    • @X3nophiliac
      @X3nophiliac 2 года назад

      are you talking about th duffer brother? i googled it and i cant find who you're talking about

    • @mrpurple11
      @mrpurple11 2 года назад

      Op explain🙄

  • @ZeltraxMillennium
    @ZeltraxMillennium 2 года назад +6

    This second part was very informative, and it sorta confirms a thing I felt for a while that Netflix is trying to compete with Disney regarding shows to stream, but are failing.
    It's also likely the reason why we had to wait so damn long to get Daredevil back.
    I did like what I saw from Netflix Bebop, but the decisions of Netflix really hurt the show, and I agree - Bebop really couldn't be turned into a live-action show.
    But yeah, again, damn good video, Bennett.

    • @megamonmon
      @megamonmon 2 года назад

      There was a contract in place that netflix held the rights to the netflix characters a couple years after they ended

  • @Mrinsecure
    @Mrinsecure 2 года назад +4

    The thing about Ed, in the original Bebop, is she does have a place in the story: she's the comic relief character that helps the story from becoming too monotonous and dour. Tonally, you need to occasionally lighten the mood so the darker parts hit like they're supposed to, and the comedy duo of Ed and Ein worked wonderfully to bring some levity to what would otherwise be an almost unbearably heavy series.
    Which is exactly why Ed did not need to be in Netflix!Bebop, and if she was gonna be there, she'd need some serious changes. Netflix!Bebop is overall a far less moody series, with a lot less of a cynical view of humanity and its future among the stars. It didn't need the added levity of a pure comic relief character, which would honestly just have been distracting. So when she finally shows up in the last minute of the series and she's completely unchanged... well, it goes to show that the writer(s) didn't really "get" what made Bebop work.

  • @NEOIVAN100
    @NEOIVAN100 2 года назад +1

    22:29 Worst part is this isn't even the first time Christopher Yost tries that kind of stuff.
    When he was writing the Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes animated series with Josh Fine, they foreshadowed a Surtur story arc in season 2 that will conclude in season 3, BEFORE a Season 3 was even greenlight. When Marvel Animation cancelled the show to do Avengers Assemble (stupidly, but that's another topic), Surtur's story was left hanging.

  • @kittyanya
    @kittyanya 2 года назад +8

    When Cowboy Bebop was at its height in the US, I was an online DJ and actually had to hunt down the Intro MP3 because I kept getting requests all over my Myspace page for it. And when we tapped into SecondLife's dance floor and my listeners went from 12 to 45, I had to have Tank! playing or else. The anime did everything right. When I heard there was a real life adaptation by Netflix? I shook my head nope.

  • @Detahramet
    @Detahramet 2 года назад +4

    This video pair has aged well and will continue to age well, I suspect

  • @Metaphysicist
    @Metaphysicist 2 года назад +3

    The one thing that needed to be changed for live action.
    Radical Edward.
    They adapted 1:1.

  • @BroomPusher2024
    @BroomPusher2024 2 года назад +1

    This is why, when i see the "Netflix Original" logo on a netflix show, i usually Run for the Hills.

  • @jamesmoss3424
    @jamesmoss3424 2 года назад +8

    Netflix hates Disney a lot.

  • @barrybend7189
    @barrybend7189 2 года назад +25

    Well other than One-piece and Gundam there's also Yu Yu Hakashou and Mega Man on the Netflix kill list.

    • @starmaker75
      @starmaker75 2 года назад +1

      Yeah it seem their going for one that just impossible for live action rather then the more down to earth.

    • @rayciannello2268
      @rayciannello2268 2 года назад +2

      Yu yu looks like it has potential… my fingers are crossed…..

    • @wolfmantheimpaler
      @wolfmantheimpaler 2 года назад +4

      I still don't know how anyone could look at One Piece and think it'd do good in live action, it'd require a LOT of CGI and make up effects to show off the characters' powers, plus it has a cartoony and over the top style

    • @Bloodymecha
      @Bloodymecha 2 года назад +2

      Not worried about Gundam because there is already plenty of bad Gundam what’s another one going to do lol

    • @changvasejarik62
      @changvasejarik62 2 года назад

      Wonder how long it’ll be before their desperate/stupid enough to try a live action excel saga.

  • @georgesleeth1157
    @georgesleeth1157 2 года назад +30

    Yo Bennett it's pretty sad considering Keiko died beginning of this month and to have the Netflix Bebop be as bad as it was to literally be cancelled. On a more positive note I did rewatch the macross plus movie it's still visually awesome

    • @bryfunkenstein
      @bryfunkenstein 2 года назад +1

      And the live action version of macross plus sucked...lol

  • @maxwellschmidt235
    @maxwellschmidt235 2 года назад +1

    I think what netflix needs to take away is that a key part of what made MCU work was that the audience knew there was commitment from the start. Much as I hate a myriad of dystopic cultural elements surrounding MCU and Disney, that's one thing I see as admirable. Whatever the changes, what they needed to do to build a Bebopiverse was commit to two seasons before there was one. Make it largely a retelling of the original, and announce a new project after releasing the first half- regardless of reception. Make further series a sandbox to explore different characters or types thereof that were introduced previously.

  • @Bl4ckDr4co
    @Bl4ckDr4co 2 года назад +1

    How have they not realized that "live action anime" is just not worth doing?

  • @user-rc3cm1zv4j
    @user-rc3cm1zv4j 2 года назад +3

    Ed as a character only works in an animated medium. In other mediums is just cringe

  • @hakeemmuhammad2978
    @hakeemmuhammad2978 2 года назад +8

    Man you are hilarious! This is the first time I’ve watched one of your videos and I initially thought it would be too long…but the way you engage with the community is truly awesome. You just gained a new subscriber. Keep it up man.

  • @GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm
    @GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm 2 года назад +2

    The Church of the Algorithm officially certifies this video in the ones and zeroes of The Recommending Holiness.

    • @BennettTheSage
      @BennettTheSage  2 года назад +2

      Praise be thy search engine optimization.

  • @MrDarksol
    @MrDarksol 2 года назад +11

    The one good thing about this is at least the show got canceled immediately after 1 season and we never have to mention this show again.

    • @colleen4ever
      @colleen4ever 2 года назад +2

      Instead we can enjoy the real thing on New Years Day on Toonami!!

    • @sbatou87
      @sbatou87 2 года назад

      It is used as a cautionary tale, that's for sure.

  • @DawnOfTheOzz
    @DawnOfTheOzz 2 года назад +3

    It's sad that whenever any anime adaptation is attached to Netflix, it always means instant death for the adaptation.

  • @vlweb3d
    @vlweb3d 2 года назад +3

    Like I said many times before...
    THERE IS ONLY ONE COWBOY BEBOP
    and that's all there is to it.

  • @rossenator101
    @rossenator101 2 года назад +10

    I can completely understand why you or anyone wouldn’t be a fan of Ed. With that being said, IMO, even tho in the grand scheme of things she’s pointless, I still find Ed to be engaging and to this day is still one of my fave anime characters. Mabye bcuz over time I’ve learned to gravitate towards characters like Ed, like Star Butterfly and Mabel for example and feel free to make what assumptions you will about my taste based on that statement, but the LOLness and weirdness of the character and the way she acts always engages me. Helped by the fact that in the anime proper she acts as a proper comedic relief. Spike, Jet, and Faye can do that too, but Ed serves the role proper since her type of humor isn’t present with either of the three. Also helped by not only being a tech wiz, but also as a preverbal calm before the storm as it were when she enters the picture. Sure serious crap still happens with Ed around, but IMO, Ed leaving in episode 24 kinda signaled “oh crap a storms on the horizon” At least to me since the two parter is one of if not to some the most impactful Bebop episodes made. That being said, yeah Ed got done dirty here. I swear some shots of LA Edward look like a late 90s early 2000s album cover. That isn’t a complement mind you

    • @merchantfan
      @merchantfan 2 года назад

      Yeah she could be annoying but her physicality and comic relief role made her cute. But she belongs in the lighter episodes not the end

  • @wcgreenway
    @wcgreenway 2 года назад +4

    You know, whenever there's an adaptation... I've learned to set the bar low. Live action anime adaptations usually fail spectacularly. So, when I saw this and the characters and tropes were recognizable... I rejoiced. I was entertained rather than disappointed. I saw a real attempt at character integrity for Spike... which one of the other commenters remarked on. It's a shame... but tbo anime is it's own thing and most animes just don't translate to live action anyway...

  • @KaoticReach1999
    @KaoticReach1999 2 года назад +3

    Almost everything sucks on Disney +, but its the same for Netflix now
    Everyone is just splitting the options and library

  • @dingo3221
    @dingo3221 2 года назад +3

    there is so many things wrong with the live action cowboy bebop show. Especially what they did to gren

  • @timinou9915
    @timinou9915 2 года назад +2

    " I dont game much anymors "
    I should send this clip when people ask my why I dont have a new shiny console and buy old games on steam for a few bucks

  • @RoderickEtheria
    @RoderickEtheria 2 года назад +1

    Netflix spotted a possibility for anime adaptations, but they forgot the fans of the anime. They changed so much about Bebop that it wasn't Bebop anymore.

  • @brodarrin
    @brodarrin 2 года назад +3

    Damn shame this happened. I actually liked the acting of John Cho and the guy who played Jet. Ah well...

  • @jdzencelowcz
    @jdzencelowcz 2 года назад +4

    I liked Ed, I looked forward to seeing her in season 2 & seeing what the young actor could do with her.

  • @Pleasant-but-Enigmatic
    @Pleasant-but-Enigmatic 2 года назад +1

    Why am I surprised, yet not surprised to see Disney here in this conversation. Anyway, good breakdown Sage!

  • @4-kathryn
    @4-kathryn 2 года назад

    Superb video, glad I stuck around til the very end. That last bit delighted me.

  • @D-Havoc
    @D-Havoc 2 года назад +26

    We do have the power to see that crappy reboots/adaptations fail precisely by "bitching" about it being awful and getting the word out to those that care to know. The folks bad adaptations are made for are too few to truly sustain these bad adaptations. Bad publicity is just that, bad publicity. No, we have no direct control over what gets greenlighted at Netflix, but we can hope it discourages these adaptations that disrespects the original IP when the tanking viewership rating comes in and money is lost. This may sound very meanspirited but you cannot expect anything but garbage to come from a project fueled by "let's cash in on this subculture". I can tell you have your differences from others on what to criticize for this live adaptation but in the very least we can all call a spade a "spade" and agree this adaptation failed and has a lot to criticize as a result.

    • @AFZ6767
      @AFZ6767 2 года назад

      But somehow iron Fist got a season 2 in which it improved dramatically. Bebop should have had that opportunity to fix itself.

    • @ExeErdna
      @ExeErdna 2 года назад

      @@AFZ6767 That's because they already had season 2 in mind, Bebop failed because they honestly got mad people only watch it once.

  • @azamonra
    @azamonra 2 года назад +5

    There's an argument to be made that reboots aren't inherently bad, there have been many good to excellent reboots in recent years as well as in the past. The Thing was a reboot of The Thing from Another World for example. And of course there's Alita for a more germane example. The issue is that reboots invite a degree of, for lack of a better word, laziness with much of the heavy lifting having been done. The characters, setting, plot and story are there to be re-engineered as needed so that leaves a lot of creativity behind. And this also creates the issue of hindering creativity since the writers are limited to the boundaries of the source material, so otherwise good ideas have to be dropped or mutilated to fit the source. Of course these two factors can lead to a mess that is recognisably the source material enough that it matters when it strays and different enough that when it returns to form it's jarring.
    I haven't watched the Cowboy Bebop Netflix show cause I just didn't care. But from what I've gathered its issues run along the same vain as Welcome to Racoon City, which I have seen and would say I'm more a fan of that film's source than the Netflix show.
    It's reasonable to assume reboots will be bad, there are plenty of examples to back that up, but they don't have to be. I don't know if there was any golden timeline where Bebop could have been a hit but I believe it was possible.

  • @CosmoShidan
    @CosmoShidan 2 года назад +1

    I do need to point out, that there has been a manga adaption of Cowboy Bebop, subtitled Shooting Star, which is a retelling of the original series. While it's not that great, in terms of its ongoing storyline, it is something that begs the question. Like why didn't Netflix just adopt Shooting Star or at least use material from the manga? It would have been nice to to see changes made to the manga into live-actions, such as the ending for one.

  • @RADIOSUICIDIO
    @RADIOSUICIDIO 2 года назад +1

    I can't wrap my mind around the fact that it is specifically now, when anime is at it's most generic, cheaply produced and culturally bounded since like the 60s... it is NOW when the industry starts to see the foreign market income match the domestic one.

    • @colleen4ever
      @colleen4ever 2 года назад +2

      Don;t you DARE call Demon Slayer generic!!

  • @ZukoPrince
    @ZukoPrince 2 года назад +4

    17:27
    Okay, comment section, give me the names - who he talking about? I’m beyond curious.

  • @Starriaaa
    @Starriaaa 2 года назад +1

    What Netflix fails to realize is the fans of these anime generally don’t like live action anime reboot

  • @kevinkorenke3569
    @kevinkorenke3569 2 года назад +1

    Well, this helps to confirm what I figured out about why it is all but impossible to find streaming access to a lot of 80s and 90s titles i grew up on.

  • @Tacom4ster
    @Tacom4ster 2 года назад +8

    I have to be honest, I thought the first half wasn't anything as interesting as Mother's Basement review, but talking about streaming wars have me intrigued

    • @retrofan93
      @retrofan93 2 года назад +2

      I'll admit, it intrigued me as well. Getting the idea of why certain things happen the way they do, like with Netflix's acquisition of these licenses, helps to paint a clearer picture behind a lot of these boneheaded decisions.