Grandmaster Sam Kwok is the GOAT of Wing Chun!
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Wing Chun Kung Fu taught by Retired Police Officer and Tactics Expert, Dominick Izzo.
Dominick Izzo has been training Wing Chun since 1998 and has been teaching in the Chicago area since 2008. He was the first American Wing Chun instructor to be published and published in back to back issues in Wing Chun Illustrated.
He is known for his realistic, aggressive and combative approach to Wing Chun Kung Fu.
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I was under Sam Kwok's lineage when I started, and met him at my first seminar in 1997. Compared to anyone I had seen, he was the first real deal Master that I met. Blew everyone's mind.
My sifu Rick Frye had a falling out with Ron Heimberger when I was learning Chum Kiu, began training under Sam Kwok when I was learning Biu Jee. When he came back from his trips to the UK and Hong Kong he was full of new ideas and super impressed with Kwok. Some things blew his mind, like the way he collapses his bong sau, apparently breaking all the rules but making it work perfectly.
That absolutely sounds like Sam.
*Adam Chan (Vancouver) is that guy.*
Not in my opinion.
@@IzzoWingChun *Do you mind telling me why not? I’m not trolling. I value guys like yourself opinion/knowledge about the art outside of demonstrations.*
*Are you OK with mentioning any other practitioners/Wing Chun Sifus that you like or respect that I can look into? You all have added value to the art. Thanks for your time.*
@@dessalines3607 No.
I'm far from a pure stylist in anything and have very limited formal WC training...that being said I've used it every single mma fight I had, I spar with it every time I put gloves on and people who know what to look for recognize that it infact is wing chun 🤷♂️
Keep training Wing Chun! Good luck in your MMA
Love it. Personally I don't do MMA, but I too let Wing Chun influence my stance and techniques when training in other martial art styles. There is just a core fundamental to it that 'makes sense' to apply universally. It tends to annoy instructors that are dedicated to a single art, ha!
Lol 😅
@@AbdulGhani-vm6oq 🤔
Paul Smith was my first Sifu. Paul Smith and his brother got attacked by 10 guys and Paul beat the crap out of them. Paul had great respect for Sam and Paul scared the crap out of me! Paul died of ALS a few years ago.
I agree, Sifu Sam is the man.
Paul was a MONSTER
Dominic - it's strange when you talk about Samuel's arms. I did chi sau with him back in 1996/97 and I swear his arms were like trolley bars wrapped with skin. Incredible. If interested, I have a video here somewhere of a seminar he did in Edinburgh with Ip Chun. During the seminar Ip Chun and Samuel are chi-sauing and it's getting faster and faster and faster and in an instant Ip Chun breaks Kwok's centre line and slaps him so hard that it took him off his feet. There was such a gasp in that room. Even my sifu Paul Smith was stunned. We all were, including Samuel himself, who did crack the joke 'oh you are so kind' to Ip Chun which brought about laughter. But even after that seminar broke up we were all talking about it.
Izzo, I must express my deep disappointment with this video. I've been following you for a very long time, even from the days of your police career, but this video praising Samuel Kwok doesn't sit well with me.
I’ve had several Wing Chun (or more accurately, Yung Chun as it’s called in China where I also trained) instructors, and my experience with Sam at a seminar was quite disheartening. He taught one thing but demonstrated another. When I asked if he could show me the technique he was explaining, he agreed, but it didn’t work. He then resorted to using force and, admittedly, some skill to cover up the failure. From that moment, I ceased to exist for him at the seminar. For me, that’s not the mark of a true teacher or a master of the martial art.
Others may share their experiences, but the internet is full of substantial criticisms. Thus, for me, this portrayal is professionally unacceptable.
Warm regards,
Jaro
You might be right, i really can't say as i haven't met the guy. But as a Judo teacher with a lot of experience in martial arts, i can tell you that many things just don't work by themselves and others are way better as a reaction, as a plan B.
For example Bong Sao, if any teacher tried to demostrate Bong Sao by itself and the other person actually tried to punch them, the teacher will surely fail. As Izzo has said many times, most techniques on Wing Chun are reactions to what your hands find on front of them, so it isn't like you go "I'm going to do a Jum Sao/Sinking hand!" But if you punch and the opponent blocks in a certain way, then you can do a Jum Sao, but nowdays, it is very hard to teach like that without being deemed a Mcteacher (lol😂) because of the typical "You punch with that hand, on this way on this area and then i can do my technique" that is done by people that do not know what they are doing/teaching, but if you do Judo, you'll that many techniques are either done with brute force or when the opponent does some specific thing, which will seem fake whrn teaching the move at a seminar, but that's how it is...
Once again, i haven't met the guy and haven't watched the whole video so you might be right, i just wanted to give my two cents
I will start by saying I have no experience with Sam Kwok - I've always believed it is very difficult to teach a fluid art. There are always going to be fundamentals, and teachers can do their best to teach you 'when A, do B' - but in reality that's almost never how it applies - even at extremely high levels of training. Fundamentals are building blocks of the art, and it is ultimately up to the student to learn how to be flexible with them; when to apply them, and when to 'break the rules'.
Izzo says it very well at 1:43 - 1:56. In street fights or self defense scenarios, some say that training and rules of engagement go out the window when you get punched in the face. Izzo has covered many videos over the years of 'wing chun vs MMA' etc and usually wing chun gets obliterated. Why? Sticking to the fundamentals, following the 'rules'. When a big dude is throwing haymakers, most of the time he only needs to land one. If you're the smaller guy in the fight, chances are also very high that the big guy can handle enough of your strikes, and if he gets you to the ground, it's probably game over. This is also where I love that Izzo discusses and includes concepts from wrestling, BJJ, etc. The combination of various arts is what took Ip Man Wing Chun and became Bruce Lee Jeet Kwon Do. (I know Izzo doesn't like Bruce, but that's besides the point here)
Your description here seems to encompass that topic completely to me. Sam 'broke the rules' applying force to push through a technique gap when something didn't go as planned. That, to me, sounds like the lesson in your interaction - Adapt. The channel 'Inside Fighting' posted a video last month about Wing Chun about 'Grandmaster teaches me a lesson' - Great video IMO, but at 14:30 there is a comment that really sets this whole conversation : "Sensitivity is nothing without force".
And while I wholly agree that if he ignored you past that moment because you questioned him that it was very poor as a teacher, however calling out Izzo that this "doesn't sit well with me" and that this "portrayal is professionally unacceptable" because his experience with Sam Kwok wasn't the same as yours is asinine.
Total side note: Wing Chun vs Yung Chun is primarily the difference in Mandarin vs Cantonese, where Mandarin is the primary language nearly 15:1. At least in the western world, if you google Wing Chun, you get martial arts. If you google Yung Chun, you get peoples social media profiles.
I agree. Very disappointed.
@@jestfullgremblim8002Thank you for clarifying the topic discussed. Indeed, I understand your perspective from a Judo standpoint, as I too began my martial arts journey with Judo at a very young age.
@@jeremymcbride I agree with most of your comments and additional clarifications on the topic. I have been following Izzo's videos for a long time and usually find myself in agreement with him. However, this time, I must respectfully disagree.
Regarding street fights or even MMA, as well as the typical practice of martial arts by most people, you are completely right. These are indeed different beasts, and one should never become complacent or believe that "gym" practice alone is sufficient. While pressure testing could bridge the gap between practice and reality, it is unfortunately rare in today's martial arts teaching. This is also the case with Sam Kwok. He has never been in such a position, and using force on a cooperative student does not constitute teaching in my view. It would be different if there was an agreement on pressure testing, but that was not the case.
As for Wing Chun and Yung Chun, I am well aware of the difference between the Mandarin and Southern dialects, having learned it the hard way while searching for a Wing Chun teacher in Xi'an. Additionally, my understanding of Ip Man and his teachings, gleaned from firsthand experience, differs significantly from the movie portrayals and stories about him. Nevertheless, there are great teachers of Yung Chun in China who remain relatively unknown due to the different terminology used.
Omg, my first sifu was Master Heimberger in Orem, Utah with the Wing Chun Kung Fu Council.
in my opinion, wc is not for beginners, but for fighters who like to go into infight and close combat. wc is simple but also complex, many techniques and unusual techniques.
He seems to be gifted with a natural intelligence , which is excellent in Wing Chung . Most people can never expect to emulate him , no matter how hard they practice. Thank you . Cheers
Nice video ! Just one little correction but a very important one : Norbert Maday is not a student of Grand master Kernschpect. Norbert Maday has been training directly under Leung Ting ! And as you suggest he has very fierce and savage WT that is coming from Leung Ting teachings but also from his very natural skills as Hungarian guy (in my opinion) !
Appreciate that!
Philipp Bayer???
Chu shong tin did always say that if you want to learn how to attack just learn to defend.
I was a Sifu in the Moy Yat system under Robert Smith (who was an in-door student of Moy Yat) /I no longer practice WC. There was a student by the name of Mike Davids (sp?) who was a classmate of mine but then became a student of Kwok's. Kwok came to our school on an off hr. and I USED TO have a video of him demolishing some of our students in Chi Sao. Does Mike Davids name ring a bell?
Sifu Izzo what do you think about Kenneth Cheung and Leung Sheung Wing Chun? Also what do you think about Ip Man and Ip Man Wing Chun or Ip Ching and Ip Chun Wing Chun?
What izzo does/teaches is Wong shun Leung style wing chun.(Not saying that's who he learned from but that is the approach he takes)
And well technically every existing style of wing Chun, aside from a small few which came from other students of Leung bik(ip mans sifu) they all came from ip man. It's just that they way he taught, which is also correct, is that basically no two individuals wing chun are supposed to be identical. And he taught them all differently depending on what exactly they wanted to learn/what would fit that individual. Thus you get several different "styles" or approaches to wing Chun all from students of ip man.
@@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812 The second half of your statement is correct. Ip Man taught different students differently and that can be seen in the way his different students did their wing chun. That's only natural as Ip Man developed as a teacher over the years and the way he taught his art or modified what he taught, reflects this. Your first 3 lines are very inaccurate. Ip Man is only responsible for his lineage of WIng Chun. There are other styles/lineages of WIng Chun that existed before Ip Man and while he was around. He did not create Wing Chun. Theres Yuen Kay San lineage, Vietnamese Wing Chun, You Choi Wing Chun, Pan Nam Wing Chun, Gulao/Pin Sun Wing Chun etc... These are just a few other wing chun branches that are in existence outside the Ip Man line. So to say " technically every existing style of wing chun, aside from a small few which came from Leung bik(Ip Mans Sifu), they all came from Ip Man", is wrong and factually inaccurate. You didn't even credit Chan Wah Suh as Ip Man's Sifu but a character who's existence is dubious at best according to Wing Chun historians. We in the west are constantly finding out about obscure lineages because of the secrecy that existed in Wing Chun. Just because Ip Man lineage is the most popular because he taught openly in Hong Kong, doesn't mean all wing chun comes from Ip Man.
@@0352usmc1 for starters , nobody said ip man created anything, and wing Chun is actually atleast 1,000 years old if not much older. However I don't know of many at all that didn't come from either of those two. aside from rather obscure "lineages" which were not passed along to very many or really even within any schools, more so just from one individual to another. And Leung bik (the son of Leung Jan) was chans sifu, and he always wanted to ip to be trained by him. There's nothing "dubious" about him. Or the fact that he did teach a good number of individuals in both China as well as where he moved to in the UK. (Although I grant you really not within a "school" setting either, more so on an Individual basis as i mentioned)
Great show. Wonderful ideas / suggestions - be willing to learn from anyone.
Always add to your toolbox.
Wing Chun and motorcycle riding do have a connection, don't they?
Sifu Fong says, "Wing Chun is simple, but it isn't easy." ;)
Sam kwok is my Sigung (my sifu's sifu).I did what you said not to do. I have had the pleasure of attending Sigung Samuel Kwok seminar. it was awesome to watch his wooden dummy form. the way he moves and attacks that thing, it's no wonder arms are like steel bars. His Fa jing that explosive energy is insane and to be honest that's the same with my sifu on that one. I will say is considering myself lucky for my lineage, Sigung and Sifu.
I think they're operating on a logical fallacy which is people were dumb in the past and we're so much wiser to day
The more I see American wing Chun guys the mor eim glad I learned from a European lineage. I've been pressure testing and sparring from the start and I've always known what really works and out it to the test.
It is called active time distortion. If you place the tip of your tongue behind your top front teeth and engage in abdominal breathing, You will see The effect in a more pronounced fashion.
Although I picked the technique up on my own almost 30 years ago, I recognized it immediately when you described it.
Basically all you're doing is locking in your conception and governing vessels which then speeds up your thinking processes and thus slows down your perception of time and motion.
To this day I still don't know why it works. I just know that it does.
Sufi you make a strong case for Shifu Sam Kwok. Thoughtful, logical and persuasive. Curious what kind of motorcycles do you ride. It is a passion of mind as well.
1997 Honda Shadow VLX bobber and a 1997 Honda Valkyrie
Sure, but if you know how to use the Swiss Army knife and have in depth understanding of the concepts of Wing Chun that would be the biggest help, just my two cents. I'm from Augustine Fong, Ho Kam Ming lineage and I've had great conversations with other guys in other lineages, not sure if there is a goat, its just how you use it in the streets etc. It always depends on the person using it from my experience.
This video is a classic. Thanks Izzo.
Thanks for this🙏🏻 much appreciated good sir
I’m interested in WC but not a practice but I’ve seen a video of Sam Kwok chi sau with a black guy at a seminar and the guy slaps Sam 3 times really hard! It was mentioned to me that Sam has always had issues with larger opponents.
Sorry if it wasn’t Sam in the video but I honestly believe it was if memory serves me correctly.
Seen the video, not a good look, but I admire his honesty in letting it be posted.
@@tonytroy1826 if you have that video it would be an idea to post here for Izzo to break down.
Been a while since the last video very excited
I wouldn't even have him in top five. Far better instructors teaching far better wing chun instruction and theory out there. But hey, it's all just opinion.
You want to speak to Master Gary Gowan - I can tell you that he has out-schooled most.
izzo id rlly like to ask what your opinion of sifu sergio's internal wing tjun system. his chi sao is very different from what masters would call chi sao so I wanted to get your idea on whether or not sifu sergio is legit. i would love your opinion. thank you.
Very good points- good video👍👍
Because those 99% you are talking about just want to make money.
He is very good, my sifu studied under Yip Chun, I think he knows Sam.
Interesting Video. I would still like to touch hands with other Wing Chun Practioners. So far I think as far as Other schools I only got to touch hands with Gulao Boxing Students and Sifu Vik. I highly recommend you guys check out our lineage. Originally My Sifu learned it from I think it was The Police Commissioner from Hong Kong who trained with Bruce, but eventually broke it down and rebuilt it focusing more on Concepts, Principles and Techniques that are also used in other Southern Chinese Martial Arts Styles; and it's focused more on mechanical understanding on how we move as human beings in comparison to how the art traditionally teaches us. We train for Self-defense, but some of us still compete in fighting tournaments, I eventually aim to take it to Pro MMA.
Even if you say so yourself! Has he ever won a tournament? Has he ever been in one.
Hei can you give a interwie sond day to sifu o master dragon i think he is grandson of ip man ?
Phil's Chi Sao was long distance before he met Carlson. He changed from Steve Swift Methods to Yip Chun /energy in 1994/1995 however many students worked to combine both. Sam is great but GOAT is a bit over the top. There were many in Hong Kong that would disagree with the Yip Brothers being the best examples of Yip Mans teaching
Hey Izzo, i have a question!
Sam as an ambassador is the best. He’s done a lot for wing chun. But I don’t think he is the paragon of wing chun expression, that would be Phillip Bayer even in his old age. Followed by maybe Norbert M and Boztepe. To me what you can do in your 60’s and 70’s is telling. WSL said wing chun is a weapon. Not taking away from Kwok he is still up there but threes others that are better. you denigrate Bayer as you have said , Bayer = chi sau, so! There’s limited RUclips content of him to getter a better idea go to a seminar or one of his branches, Brian Kwong in New York is an exemplar.
He seems like a Kool guy.
I don't know for sure, but I notice that Sam Kwok has a forward head posture, because of this I have considered that he has spent a lot of time on the wooden dummy and this has led me to concern about the height of the wooden dummy and whether it should be adjusted for the individual to prevent issues.
I agree ,about foward head posture he has AND IS BAD students copy that shit , He shoud be at least telling people to straigh head and that he is trying to fix his own posture
You should look up Kevin Lee xing yi
Norbert Maday is not from Kernspecht XD lol he literally hates him and made fun of his kung-fu. Maday i direct Leung Ting student.
I don't like how MMA people treat traditional martial arts either there's a guy I really don't like his name is Ramsey Dewey he's an MMA coach
13:14 The thing is, attack from a position of safety IS good advice. But the question is, what's YOUR position of safety?
I'm tall, and thin, with long arms and legs... My safe positions are very different than yours.
It's like he was almost there, but didn't get the deeper duality of it... Attack from a position of safety. Your attack should in a way to ensure your safety.
That's applies for sport and for contest. Not for actual combative fighting. By attacking you are defending.
@@IzzoWingChun "By attacking you are defending." Exactly.
That's what I was trying to get at, at least. Re-reading, I chopped up my words pretty badly.
"Your attack, should be in a way that ensures your defense." Is more like what I meant to say. If your attack doesn't ensure defense, you're overcommitting.
My Sifu says, "With every move, don't get hit, improve your position, hit them." And it's not really in order of priority, just a tiny bit.
Strive for all three. It's right in the Wing Chun kuen kwit.
Can you do a review on Jin young please
I can't agree with this title. An unknown individual has ridiculed him in Chi Sao. I didn't say he's not a great master, I'm just saying he's not the GOAT. Nobody beated Chu Song tin - in wing chun practice.
He was the sifu of my sifu Paul Smith.
🫳Grandmaster Tu Tang Yao🫴
Sam Kwok is not very highly-skilled in Wing Chun.
His movements are very mechanical, and he has no ideas about Internal Energy.
No one knows who you are.
Who cares.
Famous people nowadays are full of shit.
@TanSauNg2008 100% agree. He is defently a beat when it comes to the external side of wing chun but you see in every movement that there are 0,00% internals working.
Personally I still put him at number 2 or 3. But he is very great. I atleast personally would have to say chu shong tin, then sam. (Although tbh for all the hate he gets on here "master Wong" really is great at teaching even if he is less skilled. )
Heyy ✌ Very interesting video so far. Just watched the first 3 mins of it and already need to writhe a comment haha. I live in germany. Where keith kernspecht is like the "main" source 99,99% of all Wing chun people learn from. The interesting thing is that the names you already dropped like boztepe are a ABSOLUTE ecaption. 99% of wing chun people comeing from the schools from kernspecht are (no offense) absolute garbage in applicating things they learned. So here in germeny the bad reputations clearly rooted to kernspechts teachings and methodes.
After finishing watching the complete video i can clearly see why you say he is the GOAT of wing chun. On one hand i would easily agree with that. When it comes to the external and technical and crosstrain side of his way of wing chun i would 100% agree.
But here is another point. When you look at the Kuen Kuits of wing chun you clearly see that wing chun was more of a internal style then a external style what practice 99,99% of wing chun people today. So i'd say when it comes to the people who practice wing chun more in the direction was desinged to be in the old times (internal style) there are some way better people. I would recommand to check out The Martial Men channel where you already used some martial from in your video. People like Sergio Idadrola, Yuri Moreli, Nima King and so on are way more advanced in the internal side of wing chun.
I personally would recommand to EVERY wing chun guy to traing the external and the internal way of wing chun cause it solves some wing chun problems most people have and why they start crosstrain in other arts.
You can't be serious...
But I thought you weren't a fan of Ip Man Wing Chun; so how is it now you're praising the sons who learned from Ip Man in relation to Sam Kwok? Sounding contradictory.....
Do me a favor and quote me saying I am not a fan of Ip Man Wing Chun. Please and thank you. I am legitimately curious where you even got that idea.
Is this video a joke
You don't necessarily have to be a big guy to be a strong guy there are other ways to develop strength besides growing your muscles there's neuromuscular efficiency there's a different way to grow your muscles which is called eccentric overload training and there's muscle control and a whole bunch of other things you can do to get power to many to name so I'm going to stop there
There is an unsung sifu of WC in my home city from the Kwok lineage that is unbelievable! He's also produced some exceptional students that know how to apply WC in real life situation. I wouldnt give any names out as i dont want to put anyone in the firing line. I personally use to go to sams house for private lessons with the sifu im talking about. It was a great time back then and sam was always accommodating. But i did have an altercation with sam at our school once that wasnt pleasant and in my opinion he could have dealt with it in a more professional manner. All i will say is that we were doing chi sau and maybe i got the better of him for an instant and maybe he felt shown up. It didnt end great and i didnt intentionally do it to belittle sam but he didnt like it. There are other instances but I'll leave it there.
What’s your opinion of Francis Fong?
Were you an extra in the final season of Arrow?
I've heard Ramsey Dewey say it's an excuse to say my martial art is too do in MMA but there are some martial arts that I could maybe say are too deadly to do in MMA such as tiger claw eagle end dragon because of those involve ripping and tearing and there's also deadly techniques in martial arts and there are reasons you wouldn't want to do these things in MMA first off I don't think you want to kill anybody even in MMA secondly you get in trouble with the law
those brothers were not that good sadly... just riding the wave guys...
SAM KWOK ???? PLEASE STOP THE BS MATE.... SAM KWOK IS NOT A GOOD TEACHER NOR A GOOD WING CHUN PRACTITIONER. SAD, HIS TECHNIQUE WILL NOT WORK IN A REAL MARTIAL ART FIGHT. SIFU FRANCIS FONG & MASTER TU TENGYAO ARE BETTER THAN KWOK BY A LONG SHOT , SAM KWOK IS NOWHERE NEAR THAT PERFECTION.
Look at his Body posture and neck. He cannot even stand upright.. a master??
😂
What makes you qualified..nothing.
Ip Man said he wasn’t a grandmaster, so please explain how you think coke master Kwok is?
There’s so much wrong with this video that it’s embarrassing.
What’s wrong with William Cheung?
He misunderstands a lot + focuses too much on things he shouldn't over/rather than things which he should.