Ali Bow Kaiyuan review
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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The Kaiyuan with a draw length of 36" from Ali Bow. Amazing design, high quality manufactured. A flawless and perfect bow with extreme smooth draw, no hand shock. Very fast. One of my favorite bows.
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Enthusiastic thumb release style archery practitioner and owner of several Alibow products from China here. I read that, historically, the Kaiyuan came about during the Ming dynasty as the Chinese traditional long-tip model adopted some features from the west Asian design (Kaiyuan was firstly the name given to a north-west geo-political division back in the Yuan dynasty), and it was commonly used by the frontier force in their battles with the Jurchen as it allows longer draw length and, thus heavier arrows containing enough power for armour piercing. The article confirms that the nock was designed for collecting arrows from the horse back. Jolly good video and, might be to your surprise, you are much more famous here than you would expect. Looking forward to your trip to China in the future. Best regards!
Interesting! What is your source for the West Asian influence? I have heard about Ming bows having West Asian/Turkic influence before but i havent been able to find any sources on it online
Just thought I'd let you know, I have had the AliBow Kaiyuan II for about a month now... and the Kaiyuan II is an incredible bow, plenty fast and very smooth... but just as importantly it can shoot with incredible accuracy and precision! I am super happy that you made this review, without it I would have never found AliBow and this bow in particular! Thank you for being such a reliable reviewer.
This bow has shot so well, and taught me so much, that I have had to come up with a new archery game: shooting nerf darts off of my old broken arrow shafts with this bow at 16-20 meters! I was hitting tennis balls every time so I figured it was time to up the difficulty... started stuffing the dart on top of the nock or just the broken shaft end, depending on what's laying around.
So far I've shot through several old arrow shafts, I touch the dart or the shaft about 5/10 shots and I nail it about once every 20 shots it seems like... but the shots are always within an inch of the dart and that's just day 1 of this personal challenge for myself! Eventually I want to be able to cut the darts down to an inch in length and hit that every time... one can only dream lol :P
I'll have to figure out how to tag you in a video of this, I have seriously been very very surprised at how good this bow is. I can shoot as well with this bow as I do with my customized Bodnik Slick Stick, and that thing is scary accurate!
thank you. I know wha you mean :) my "normal" accurate shooter was the slick stick too :)
Big fan of the reviews! Can you please film a speed test of your top bows? (Ming emperor, kaiyuan, Tatar, Turkish etc) Please and thanks!
Hello Armin, thank you very much for all your video's. I enjoy them a lot. I want to start with archery and am interested in asian style bows so your videos are nice to watch and provide a lot of information. Malta looks like a nice place to live :)
Hello Mark. Thank you very much. Comments like this make me going on :)
Enjoy the adventure of archery, once hooked you will never let go.
And yes, Malta is a nice place to live. All year good weather and a small safe Island.
Thanks again
one of my favorite design. elegrance but deadly and pretty fast bow.
yes :D
Teach, you make it look so easy. That's a good looking bow , once I get used to thumb shooting I'll get one of these. Respect 🙏🏼 Merry Christmas🎄⛄
I am discovering something very substantially significant for an intermediate archer, or any archer for that matter. That is, you can have two bows that are basically the same, or very similar, and one bow will shoot great for you but the other will not. This has now happened to me with two Samick Sages, two Rolan Snake bows, and two Alibows. Admittedly, one of the Alibows was the fiberglass horse bow and the other was the fiberglass Tatar bow. Anyway, I don't remember hearing/seeing anyone talk about this, but I think it is important for newish archers to be aware of and understand. Subtle differences in the same or similar model bows can make a substantial difference in performance, so I guess one shouldn't discount one model of bow until they have tried a couple examples of it, if possible. My Alibow horse bow is inconsistent, but the Tatar is very consistent, and it doesn't pinch my fingers when shooting Mediterranean like the shorter horse bow. Thx.
Amazing bow! Maybe I get one some day, or some other from Alibow. But for now, I'm a completly begginer. Brazil currency rate and tax are a joke and the shipping takes forever, and then, more time here locked in the customs. My Tatar from AF still not arrived. Great video!
That's one crazy bow 😁
Nice bow it's going on my whis list
I like it how u explain yr so good at it
Jo jo
I like it how u explain
Thank you for demonstrating this beautiful bow! I've found this video just now for the first time. I went to look for it on the Alibow website, and the only one I saw is described as having a 33" draw. Could this be the same bow, or is having a 36" draw length be available as a custom order?
you can ask, the limited the draw after a while. but I think as custom order they still build them
@@ArminHirmer I will do so, thanks very much!
Thanks for the prompt reply
Ok thanks
You mentioned that the max draw for this bow is 36 inch. On the ali bow website it says max is 31 inch.
I just got word from Alibow stating that due to problems they do not produce this bow in 36" length any more. They offered me a modified Dunhuang instead. Since you have shot both bows, what's your take? Fair exchange? You seem more enthusiastic about the Kaiyuan in the videos?
yes unfortunately they don't build this bow anymore.... Dunhuang is amazing, draws even smoother. I was enthusiastic because the Kaiyuan was the first bow from Alibow with 36" draw, which I liked a lot, as I only shot mariners Qing Dragon 2 before with 36". The Dunhuang is still a very good option
Since it is not in your videos I guess you haven't had the opportunity to test the Kayjuan from Mariner yet?
By now I have my eyes on one of three bows:
Alibow Dunhuang or Mariner Quing Dragon - with the Ming Moon as a faster and easier to handle alternative to the latter.
What I am looking for is a bow that feels distinctly 'Chinese' - in contrast to Korean and (my) other Horse Bows.
And it has to have 35"+ draw length - I already destroyed a Korean bow with my long draw and I want to stay on the safe side.
Any advice?
would like to add that my draw length is 27.5inch and interested in 40 pound bow
The bow looks greate!
But you don't draw it to 35 or 36 inches. Just to 32, may be 32.5 inches (If arrow really 36"). And of course you can shoot 36 inches arrow using any bow ;)
34 to be precise and of course you can shoot a 40" kyudo arrow from a kids bow :) makes only no sense
Nice review. Any chance you will be doing one for Mariner's Kaiyuan?
I don't have it. One day when I have the money, I will buy this bow and make a review :)
Would you have the link to Ali Bow Kaiyuan bow? I tried looking for it but no luck? Thanks.
www.alibowshop.com/blank-rwrlr/6908e1a0-3af6-69bd-45de-27fe9dc365d1
but you need to ask for 36" draw as they don't build this bow anymore, only with 33"
Between C1 and kaiyuan, which one is faster using same poundage?
I will check, hope I have same draw weight...
+Armin Hirmer Hope to hear from you soon.
Today I checked the speed of both bows, with the same arrow 520 gr. C1 felt faster, but the Kaiyuan was faster :) 30 fps faster ;)
@@ArminHirmer I think your commitment to answering questions and interacting with enthusiasts is outstanding. This follow-up speed test is a great example. 🙏🏼🫵
Is this the K-1L long version with the 1.36m string?
yes :)
I agree with you regarding the ferrari but in our club no one knows tio use the thumb ring and pulling the bow to 36 inches behind the head cannot maintain a consistent anchor point isnt that so
?
there is no anchor point so to say. When the tip of the arrow reaches your index - you reach fun draw. usually you will feel the string touching your chest. everything is amazingly aligned in this way :)
i do the chin anchor, well not exactly an anchor but basically my chin touch the shaft in front of the feathers, any closer the string would graze my cheek bone
Hi Armin, great video. I think all of your videos are. Looking at Ali Bow's website I see the Ming Kaiyuan Fiberglass bow. Is this the one you tested in this video? Also just wondering what you would sugguest... My wife a beginner has 24" drawlength and would need 25lbs draw weight. Looking to stay under $130. Thanks and please keep reviewing bow's - you're doing an awesome job. :)
Hi Malvin. Thank you. The one in the video is the laminated one. But for your wife as a starter bow, the fibreglass will do a good job (never shot this one, but other fibreglass ones from Alibow). Take a 30#@28", that should be fine for her. Have fun!
Hi Armin, Hi,
I have ordered the Ming Kaiyuan for my wife and can't wait to test it out. I have a draw-length of 29" and have been shooting compound bow at 60 lbs draw-weight for a while. I would like to get myself something similar to the Ming Kaiyuan bow but not sure which one. I just don't want to get two of the same one LOL ;) I am thinking about any of the other fiberglass bows from Alibow, maybe the Turkish bow. What is your recommendation? Speed, accuracy and no shock (vibration) is important and would like to be able to shoot with thumb release and 3 finger. Thanks again.
turkish, tatar and even genghis khan (mongolian) are nice
Hi
is this bow suitable for horseback archery?
yes and if you are good with only 33" draw, there is a shorter version of this bow - sure better for horseback
Actually I'm an archer but new at horseback archery so it's little confusing my bow is a Hoyt F7 70''/40lbs and these horse bows are so small. As a pro what do you think should i choose?
it really depends what you want to shoot, which style of bow first of all. From turkish to chinese, crim tatar to hungarian/mongolian - all great for horseback. It is more related to your shooting technique - and draw length.
I'm interested in Korean style and my draw lenght is about 29.
then go for a korean bow... there are many good ones out
Amazing reviews the only good asian style bow reviews in youtube , in your opinion AF archery or Alibow ?
Thank you :) when you check my channel, I think you will see the answer. There is way more Alibow going on then AF. But they are good bows too :)
I'm not Armin, obviously, but I own the AliBow Kaiyuan II in 45 lb @ 28" and the AF Turkish in 50 lb @ 28". Pound for pound the performance is almost identical. The AliBow has a nicer finish, maybe a few FPS slower since it's a little longer, but it's even easier to be consistent. I got it because of this review and it's a fantastic bow. I've run speed tests on both with a 387 grain arrow: Kaiyuan II @ 45 lbs shoots around 175-180 FPS with mediterranean release, AF Turkish @ 50 lbs shoots about 185-190 (both @ 28"); at 31" the Kaiyuan II shoots about 190, AF Turkish shoots about 200.
The AF Turkish is a very good bow for the price, honestly... I don't think you can beat the value, and it's one of my two favorites (the Kaiyuan II being the other right now).
I have my eye on the Jackal Assyrian, which just got reviewed 2 days ago. It looks absolutely amazing, wouldn't complain about having that in my collection as well. I love these traditional recurves, they all seem to use such similar techniques that I can just pick them up and shoot well, no need to get used to a different bow like I have to do with my more modern bows. I always seem to shoot these better than I shoot my more modern bows.
is it bad to only use lets ay, 31 inches drawlength? I mean how important is it, to use all drawlength available?
perfectly fine with this bow, sometime I only drew 30 to 31" to get the feel.
Beautiful bow. I don't understand what you mean by 'non-functioning siyahs', by that do you mean they do not flex in the draw?
non working, means stiff and not bending
Aha, thanks!
Can you shoot Mediterranean with the arrow on the right side??
yes you can, simply leave the index straight to hold the arrow in place. I call it slavic release, others call it persian release. the arrow will go way to the right in the beginning :D
Dear Armin
Still looking for my perfect horse bow, after seeing this review I really do not know which bow to choose I beleive that the Kaiyuan will suit me better than the turkish bow , but again I do not know how it will be behave in the long distances?
When I have the turkish ones here, I will shoot both 30 and 60 m :) then you will see
dear armin..where i can buy those arrows..it looks very stable and fast..
AliBow China, where you can get the bow from
May I use the Kaiyuan bow with the Mediterranean style (three finger
I saw that you shoot one arrow in this style how does it fell?
of course you can. the long kaiyuan has a draw of 36" - you should use your thumb :)
feels okay to shoot the bow with 3 fingers, but it is like driving a ferrari with locked brakes hehe
I am a beginner in archery but I really want Ali bow that is suitable for both,ground and horseback. Do you have any suggestions the right bow for me?. (Btw I am a female). Usually I'll go for 35 /40 lbs
Hi Nina, it really depends on your draw length, shooting style and budget. The Nomad Archery Horsebow is made just for horseback archers, the Living Arrow Bow too. But they are in the 300 Euro line. You can have a lot of fun with a fibreglass Tatar or Mongol by Alibow, and they are just 100 Bucks.
that's pretty big bow.
Hi, I was wondering if there is any information available on the speed of this bow. (Thanks)
Hi Paul. I don't have Kaiyuans anymore, sold them all. So I can't do a speed test, sorry. The bow is at least faster then the C1 from AliBow, this I tested a while ago
Armin Hirmer Hi Armin, thanks for your reply and for the comparison to the C1 bow. I enjoy watching your channel.
thanks for watching :)
this is a review for the laminated bow?
How are the fibreglass bows from alibow? I am just starting out in archery and for around 100$ you have some nice fibreglass bows. Are they decent enough to start with?
Which one of their fibreglass bows do you recommend?
btw, keep up the good work, lover to see your reviews.
Hi. I am quite surprised with the turkish bows in fibreglass from Alibow. Only shot these and a hun style, which I did not like that much. The short turkish ones are quite snappy. Longer bows in fibreglass are always a bit different
Thanx for the ultra fast reply.
so the short turkish fibreglass bow is good?
Have you shot the Kaiyuan in fibreglass or laminated? I'm not able to pull the bow 33" but maybe at 28" (I am 1m80) it is also decent?
Kaiyuan only laminated (I am basically not a big fan of fibreglass bows), when you only draw 28" a turkish bow is fine :)
ok thanx.
when I'm sure what type of bow I really want, I buy myself a laminated bow (which the below 1000$ bows have also fibreglass in it, as I understand) but untill then, I think I'll go for the cheaper fibreglass bows.
Too bad alibow is not available in a shop in my country or neighbouring countires. Maybe I should swim to malta ^_^
AliBow sends his bows worldwide :) laminated bows have as the outer layer glass right. Fibreglass bows have the complete limbs in glass. Go to Alibowshop.com many bows are shipping free
Hello Armin I suspect the comment reply did not go through so I start a new thread. I am a 5 foot 4 teen of weaker-average strength. I have a draw length of around 25 inches. I wish to purchase an asiatic bow which is smooth without much handshock I intend to use this bow for backyard target archery, Field archery and maybe go hunt the occasional rabbit. I would be happy with a Tang, Mongol, Turkic, Magyar, Assyrian or any other bow for I don't care which culture it originates from. I do not intend to shoot off horseback.
depends how much you want to invest. I just now tried the fibreglass turkish bow from Alibow and was quite impressed. usually I do not like fibreglass... less than 100 USD i think. Worth to check
Where Can I buy one?
Alibow China
Lol I cant draw 36 inch. Small hands.