When I was younger, I would have agreed with that rude argument. Since then, however, I've worked on an open source project of my own, and I've actually built up some experience in the world of software development. Being rude, I've found, is counterproductive. You either discourage people, or you just succeed in angering them. Someone who is angry will likely not learn from the mistakes they have made and is unlikely to do what had been asked from them. Resulting in more lost productivity down the line. The only time when being rude is effective is when being nice is ineffective. Even then, it is often better to just stick to insulting the work done and not the person who had done the work. "This code sucks" is better than "my grandmother could write better code."
"Well can you bring your grandma here" "My grandma died" "LMAO" Yeah it promotes that kind of work. They confused rude with directness. Tell me that my code sucks and how can I improve it. Don't tell me that it's a good day and I have to guess what you actually want to say.
Lunduke is a quack, and I say that with all the respect he's due. He's gone from someone reputable in the Linux sphere to someone who's eccentric views can't be trusted.
@@TheLinuxCast I told you before and all you did was report brigade my responses then post screenshots to X and mastodon that carefully cropped out me fact checking your lies. Come now, aren't you supposed to be a linux toober? Put in some elbow grease for once in your life...
This will definitely stir the hornet's nest, but this is well made. I appreciate you for making this video.
9 месяцев назад+8
why? It's just a very dishonest, biased attempt to cancel Lunduke. Dude wants to make his ideology the only accepted standard. He's a fanatical cultist which gets triggered if people don't use his vocabulary like "deadname" or "transgender"; he thinks he has the right to impose these on everyone.
@ yeah sure, not like the people who get triggerd by people using the words deadname, transgender, or just people going by a different name they chose themself.
9 месяцев назад+1
@@Alex_Vir it's not really a trigger, at least not like the original concept from psychiatry. There is no trauma involved. Just a deep intellectual disagreement, along with the perception that no one can use these words honestly. Transgender specifically is self-contradictory in the own terms of the ideology that created it, so much that it's usual to see someone saying something like "a trans[gender] woman is a woman"
I don't think anyone can ever be completely apolitical in any type of content. Absolutely anything can be considered political to some because politics affects anything and everything, it's just a matter of how different your political views are before any of your actions/opinions start to become political. Some people say they are avoiding politics just to push their political opinions and having others believe they're an innocent apolitical person getting attacked by angry political activists.
If you sincerely believe that you should be able to define politics objectively and then tell me how a 10 second video featuring a guinea pig eating a strawberry is in any way political. Also how do politics affect rocks on Pluto in any way?
@@gensoustudio4703I don't think you can objectively define anything but people can for political reasons take issues with the content of those videos. Ethical vegans probably don't like such animal videos lol.
@@AndersHass I didn't know "ethical vegans" cared about the consumption of strawberries, since they're all about animal products. lol. But still doesn't address the rocks on Pluto. Still what you just said illustrates the contradiction. One can not simultaneously claim "Absolutely anything can be considered political to some because politics affects anything and everything" without being able to objectively define it in a way where it does exactly that. You're not just saying there is some hypothetical insane person that considers any random thing political, you're saying their insane belief would have truth since politics affect "anything and everything". Which would mean "politics" is an observer independent phenomena or some sort of truth about reality itself. It also falls apart if you lack an objective definition because the insane person's consideration of what is political can be dismissed by anyone.
@@gensoustudio4703 Everything is politics, even a "10 second video featuring a guinea pig eating a strawberry". Maybe the result isn't meant to be political, but the process is. What is the video's objective? What tools are used? On what platform the is video hosted? Etc…
and since I know you're probably going to read all the comments, can you please link to your stuff on the "About" section of your channel, that's always where I go look for stuff
Thank you for this video Nicco, excellent quality as usual! I almost wish you also published a longer more complete version of this video that includes all your swears (obviously in Italian)
When I first switched to Linux, Lunduke used to give his political opinion all the time, then he got backlash in the comments because he suggest Mozilla was funding Antifa, and suddenly decided to claim 'no politics' on his supposed 'tech' channel. Stallman is a strange guy, but he is a staunch defender of Free Software which is why many people wanted him back in the Linux foundation. In fact, Lunduke turned around and wanted Stallman out at one point, I guess he found out that Stallman wasn't conservative.
Man, I must have been watching him before he went all radical. I don't remember him ever giving his political opinion back in the day. At some point he just kinda vanished from my radar. I completely forgot he existed until this video.
@@henrickbull He used talk about breaking up Google, about DRM video, digital privacy. All kinds of stuff that would have been politics related to tech. But then he decided 'no politics' after he suggested some open-source projects were funding radical groups. (I still haven't seen any proof of that was true.) then he left RUclips to go to Odysee and came back after a few years or so.
Lunduke is hardly conservative. It's just the left has gone so far out into the loony left field that anyone to the right of Mao Tse Tung is considered a fascist.
I love how this watches a lot like a "Hsexyguy" video (didn't think we'd notice that?). Especially the outro. I half expected you to bust through the wall at one point. Keep doing your thing, Nicco. In my opinion, you're one of the most watchable Linux content channels.
As sad as it it to say. For Richard Stallman's case: There is no great genius without some touch of madness said Aristotle. He's still the one who initiated the whole ass thing.
I remember Stallman showed up at DTU back in like 2014 or so, and I was there. While he was advocating for his position he was also pulling the skin from between his toes and eating it. This is why the FSF isn’t popular. 😂
I can see he has been at the Technical University of Denmark multiple times. I am no psychiatrist but it does sound like he has autism (like me, I do not eat the skin between my toes though, lol). Edit: My point isn't that you gotta eat the skin between your toes in order to be autistic (otherwise I wouldn't be autistic, lol). My basis for Stallman being autistic is way more than the toe skin eating ordeal.
what...What...WHAT seriously WHAT r u saying that someone actually pulls of dead skin n eats it? nah must be a joke....someone post a link n prove me wrong
33:20 the story wasn't even about a 3 year old child, it was a story that *started* when the child was three, and clearly discusses the child getting older. If I write the story of my life and start it at age 5, that doesn't mean I am 5 years old.
Today I stumbled upon his "Linux Sucks 2024" video. As I remembered some videos by the same name I started watching: at first concerning, my worries lasted no more than a few minutes as the lack of sources except from himself and some mysterious "inside whistleblowers" made it obvious that all he was saying was either made up or twisted in order to support his point of view. Luckily among the suggested videos there was your response. By the way, weren't there some specular "Linux Is Awesome" videos or something like that by the same author? Hopefully I'm not mistaking him for somebody else.
5:20 Stallman is talking about a single person, who was his friend and colleague for a long time, not about all the island visitors and all the children in general, even your screenshot shows that. It's really disingenious to present him as some pro-pedo advocate, as a lot of people did.
thank you so much for this video. youtube started showing up some lunduke videos some time ago and since i didnt know any context about him, i watched them and took the information as is. i also dont really know much about linux as well, so i just took the content as valuable and interesting, since i myself am pretty new to this whole space. i started to notice that he is a weird character with lots of weird beliefs i dont share which made it easier for me to take his content with a grain of salt, but still it was hard for me to figure out, what stuff he makes up and what is actually true. he made a video about firefox and how bad it's gonna be with the new updates, and i am still not sure, what to believe since i have not seen anybody else really talk about this that seems more trustworthy and since the topic often overcharges me (i dont know if you say it like this, its just a lot for me) and it seems to be hard to stay informed with all the things happening at once. i think it is dangerous that people who are interested in linux and tech stuff, but are new to the space are confronted with creators such as lunduke, luke smith etc without any context on their weird conspiratory beliefs and its important to make this a space where conspiracies, homo- or transphobia and just in general right wing narratives are kept out of.
How about the other side? Should that be kept out, too? What about NixOS leaders talking about the need for a "purge", because some don't want to wave their flag? Not actively going against it, mind you. Those people pushed for a "purge", because some simply wanted to be left alone, not having to express allegiance one way or the other. What about that "do as we tell you or else" attitude?
@pelic9608 I don‘t really know what you refer to and therefore can‘t judge this. either way I don‘t think there‘s two „sides“ to this? I think, like I said, that Lunduke is a character that shouldn‘t get the attention he may be getting because he spreads harmful stuff. that is the case for every person that does so. Of course a „purge“ is a very violent and destructive thing to ask for and I think if this is somebodies choice of words in no matter what political context, they should be held accountable. But there‘s no two sides to judging people based off what destructive messages they spread, no matter where on the political spectrum you may find yourself. You can always criticise others constructively and distance yourself from them, even if you may line up with some things they say. But if you spread homo- or transphobia, racism, sexism or whatever, you are part of the problem
The internet has in general made a lot of people deranged. Platforms allow for people who might not take rejection well a voice that could be shadow banned, which itself is an unnatural mode of communicating that causes resentment from people with weird opinions. I feel bad for him. His latest video about MacOS was good though.
Nice investigation, thanks for giving some clarity. Content creators have a huge responsability, missinformation hurts too much and I don't want that for our Linux community or any other. 🤗I hope this is a correct use of this emoji :)
I am of two minds as a trans person in this community. On the one hand, I really appreciate how Linux is this space where we all work together in the name of freedom. And I really genuinely think that liberty is more important than my own political views. I'm happy that Linux acts as a meeting place where the sides the world is currently so heavily polarised into can come together and work on something and see that we all at least do support freedom. On the other hand transphobia ain't fun to experience and it can be jarring to realise that you're in a space where a lot of people are hostile towards you for who you are. I understand the logic behind people who support liberty so strongly also wanting the liberty to say what they want. I also understand how it could feel like Linux is losing some aspect of its focus on liberty by people getting kicked out for things like being transphobic. But then equally, me wanting to live as the person I am is also a matter of liberty. And as much as the people saying they just want to speak their disdain for me can say that, I also can't help but notice that they don't really like being harassed by people on the internet either. I appreciate this video Nicco. It is genuinely nice to see an explicitly trans positive space. I hope you take care of your mental health and that you look after yourself if this kicks off into a bigger thing. Genuinely if you're burnt out and if you end up finding that making videos like this gets you hate and that makes things harder, remember that you're already doing so much good for the world as is. Much more than most people do. You're obviously a very altruistic person and the world is lucky to have you.
It's as they say: "Your right to swing your fist around ends at the tip of my nose." Aka, your rights ends when they start affecting others. There's a reason why hate speech is called such a thing, nobody has the "human right" to oppress and bully others into submission. Its a cowardly tactic. Bigots have no place in the linux community.
The problem is that currently it does not resemble equality, but rather the promotion of all minorities at the expense of those who cannot count on special treatment. Additional points in studies only for your orientation, skin color or gender. Special, free courses only for women, etc. According to regulations in Poland, a woman working in the cold must be given a warm meal if she consumes a certain amount of calories while working. But a man will get such a meal if he uses twice as much energy. Did you know that in Poland women retire 5 years earlier than men? And men live 10 years shorter. We have a public pension system like most European countries, if you are from the US the concept may be a bit abstract but it is discrimination. I'm disabled and I probably won't live to see retirement, so fuck this "equality".
I'm sorry you've experienced transphobia in the community. I hope you know that the vast majority of folks I've interacted with are allies. You're welcome here, and we will back you up.
Preface- thank you for reading this if you do. I’m new to using linux but I’ve been curious about it for a while now and am really enjoying the journey. I think it’s sad for people to be so exclusionary in the community as it prevents progress and empowers the corporations that suppress. The people who are the loudest do not represent most and it gives the community a bad rep imo. I think that freedom and equality are cores of the concept of FOSS/Linux. We should embrace that. Doubling down on insane takes for someone who is in the public eye is always a bad move. Excluding people who want things to work and a stable is experience is so weird. Imposing your beliefs on others and stripping away their agency while also whining about your freedom is inherently amoral and contradictory. Individualist societies naturally cause division and suppress everyone. They prevent the true nature of humanity and the rise of the proletariat. The root cause of all evil is money and power. We continue to repeat history and we will until we are not so self obsessed.
He makes a very good point though - very little of the money received by the foundation pays for development of GNOME and KDE. It'd be nice if these projects received more funding. Imagine what they'd be able to do with just 10% of LF's revenue.
I still think "pleasure card" is a cute and clever word play on "business card" and "business or pleasure" and I'm willing to die on that hill! (ok, not really willing, but still)
Such a shame. I think it was really smart for Linux users to own the meme "Linux sucks" and use it as an opportunity to constructively criticize our own shortcomings. Because that's what it takes to be progressive. Ironic how important it is to him to conserve the status quo.
Politely disagree with your opinion. Linux been shifting from a community based to a corporate based, and no one can deny that. Companies have their economic interest and sometimes political agendas. That destroys the main purpose of OpenSource.
Many things Lunduke discusses don't really interest me and it mostly is very dramatic but I like to have some stark different opinions from time to time. It helps me not to fall into echo chambers and seeing a broader image overall - especially if I don't agree with something. Even if it's annoying that he focuses so much on it - I don't know other sources with similar news he shares.
Can we get a video on how to report bugs, request features, suggestions, contribute (properly). everything is everywhere and its confusing compared to gnome.
Just a note for the editor, you should really consider making those text corrections like "he still has it" appear on the screen for a little longer. You don't want to try to be funny by showing something that only some will see, you want all people to see that correction otherwise it's pointless.
@@niccoloveslinuxthe problem is they weren't up long enough for someone watching on a phone to stop the video. By the time you can get it stopped the comment is gone. Skip back 10 seconds, try again, repeat.
also, also, I had no idea that you were PD affiliated and I want to let you know that that I voted PD in 2022, but only because it was the least bad option on the table (and strategic voting ofc)
@@niccoloveslinux Pretty much same situation for me, sometimes to rotate a bit I also voted for +Europa but it's always between those two parties that I decide. I actually find it extremely odd that someone like Luke from the opposite end of the political spectrum compared to us cares about Linux and the FSF ideology, my best guess is that he did not understand it fully.
@@plarpoon I'm not surprised. People who are against any kind of external limitation are correlated both with free software, as in freedom from companies and privacy from governments, and far right wing politics, being against the government intervening in any form
Every time I decide to give that guy another chance I wind up disgusted, writing 10000 words in a comment and then realizing I don't want to deal with the results of posting it. Thanks for daring to actually cover this stuff and so sorry for everything stupid that probably happened as a result, you are doing the Lord's work here.
I first watched Lunduke many years ago (like more than 10 years ago), didn't pick up on the politics too much at the time. And its always possible that I just never caught one of the videos with the political themes at the time. I haven't watched his videos like at all in like 7 or 8 years at this point, but his videos have popped up more and more for me on the recommended page. His far right views have been on very blatant display in every single one of them.
Wow. Incredibly well done. I was hesitant to watch something drawing more attention to Lunduke and generally my policy is to deplatform and just not talk about transphobic, conspiracy theorist folks but it is important for people to understand why so many in the community have done so. It's not some coordinated liberal conspiracy or whatever, we just, you know, don't think it's healthy to give attention and mind space to someone spreading hate and conspiracies about ourselves or our friends. Thank you for making and sharing this as the definitive “Why no Lunduke” source.
There was a time when I watched his work and kinda agreed with him (tech-wise). I very nearly funded his studio project. I even bought one of his existing System76 systems when he was upgrading back in 2018. (I only *just* moved it to server duty.) But as you mentioned, his politics and tech blend way more often than he claims, and when I reached out to ask him a question back in 2020 regarding Framework, he responded with a sentence in response to my actual question, then a paragraph about why he didn't think I should be involved in tech anymore. As far as I could tell from that email, his rational was that "trans people are invading Linux and ruining it", but at that point I was already on the fence about following him anymore (he'd just started his commentary on the pandemic), and so I decided he didn't need to be a part of my online experience. It's a real shame, because from a pure tech point-of-view, early Lunduke was fun and interesting. A sad "never meet your heros" moment for sure. EDIT: Wanna add that 2020 was when I first changed my name, including in my email client. I still hadn't updated my email address, and had previous communications with him prior as part of buying the computer, so he was at least passingly familiar with who I was. Just in-case there's some confusion on how he found out. It's not something I would have told him otherwise at the time, cause I was pretty sure he wasn't gonna be kind about it.
At the end of the day - Money Talks and BS walks - If you don't agree with a content creator or someone you interact with then choose not to support them, or better yet leave the politics at the door. That's how I'm treating these sort of situations.
I'm not too familiar in linux. but getting older I have felt the divide. It's hard enough for individuals to understand people they don't know it takes time, and in the work force it's not about making friends as doing a good job. My experience with trans in the work place is more of tip toeing and working around them. I've dated trans, been offered engagement, but at work it's different, Had them break down. There can be a lot of emotional baggage. So to that degree I can understand the nervousness of the fear of the unknown. Not every job comes with stress, I can understand why he may fear with deadlines, but ultimately trans are here to stay. I have no knowledge of the guy himself to say. But rather than look down on your hero. You could question what it was that brought him to that level of dissidence. It may not retort to you, but maybe there is a line he's fixated on. That he's had to deal with. But he allowed his emotions to get the best of him. don't let it stop you from your goals in life.
@@HomikaGamingi've seen the same type of thing. i have friends and relatives who have transitioned, so in general i support the trans community not being discriminated against and getting fair treatment. on the other hand, you have the trans equivalent of the feminazis who are only interested in promoting trans under every circumstance, and who's effect is just to annoy everyone to the point that they don't want to hear anything about trans any more. these people should just learn when to shut up so as to stop harming their cause.
Great video. Summarizing the issue with a certain person. With all that is going on. Motivates me to maybe bring out more Linux specific videos again on my channel. Dried out a bit since people are crazy about smartphone cameras and not so much about package managers, desktops or the linux command line 😂
9 месяцев назад+3
No, he did not offer a summary. Instead, he offered a very long video trying to cancel Lunduke, with many lies intertwined with half-truths and ideological absolutism where his own ideology is the only acceptable moral standard (that we can see with cultist vocabulary like "deadname").
@ Hmm... then maybe they both should talk directly with each other. You think that would help?
9 месяцев назад+2
@@lltechview ah, it's very easy to say that after an hour long video full of slanders and accusations against Lunduke. As far as I remember from the video, Nicco made no attempt to settle things up with Lunduke before doing this video. He just made this biased dossier against him and published it to get him cancelled.
Great video. I've watched some of your videos before and the content is always good, but this got me to subscribe. To make a small constructive criticism, though, I would have liked to see a bit less emphasis on just talking about a long list of things Lunduke has done, and more on why his toxic political views are dangerous and harmful. I know that's going to be very obvious to those who are somewhat more politically aware than average, but for many others, that sort of context is needed for them to understand why this is something they should even care about at all. I know you didn't try to hide the hbomberguy influence in this video, given that you even mentioned some of his videos. Well, one of the (many) things that makes hbomberguy's videos genuinely exceptional and not just good or great, is that he *always* gives the sort of context I'm talking about here. Still, great job considering it seems to be the first time you've done this kind of content and covered to this extent.
Damn thank you for making this video. The baseless fearmongering in the Linux Sucks 2021 talk made me unsubscribe from Lunduke, I didn't know it went this deep
3:05 Hey, Nicco. The "Nigh" from "End is Nigh" is pronounced as "N-eye", not "Night". Just wanted to clarify that. I know you're not a native english speaker. 🙂
If the masses don't even care how smartphones app sucks compared to PC, how could we fill the gap between the savvy and the regular users? But mostly, is it so necessary? The IT field needs customers. Customers does damages or get damaged in several ways. We need this circle in order to don't run out of business.
Bottom line: It's all about staying sharp and open-minded, questioning what we consume, and not getting trapped in a single viewpoint. Keeps things interesting and balanced!
oh this guy, lunduke! yeah, I ran into a Reddit post that said OpenSuse was banning people who are not allies of LGBT+ and so I tried to find the sources behind it, finding very little about it on google. The ones I did find came from this guy, Lunduke. So I looked further in and found that it was a whole lot of nothing, Lunduke seemingly doesn't understand how nested replies work.
Oh ok, you talked about it at the 48 minute mark or so. He stated that the community admin, (who he names) in an opensuse forum said the "rotten piece of flesh" part, but they didn't actually say it, they were replying to the member who said the "offensive remark" and it was a neutral response. Having had spent what felt like an hour+ chasing this smoke and not finding fire, I mentally labeled Lunduke a kid who cries wolf and should never been taken seriously.
@@AviatorXD Check the proportions of code contributions from individuals to those of companies. That's tangental though; It is libertarian simply because it doesn't aim to restrict anyone.
@uhruojlmao... Marx rolling his grave "Stateless, classless Society" Libertarian is pro companies. If a company like idk... Microsoft had idk, outsized impact on the market, and could say, lobby/bribe the education system (private, public, doesn't matter) to use microsoft's operating system. Then that environment wouldn't exactly allow Linux to exist (I mean it can. But that's really against the odds now is it.)
I don't get it. What part of "only an adult can give consent properly" is hard to understand? Anyway, I also am into "none of that matter to linux itself" way.
Goddamn, I'm so happy I subbed to the channel when I did. (LTT linus vs like use linus). And since I love KDE project (or Kproject), it was a boon as well, but these are some really great coverage/documentaries/journalism I love. Great work.
there arent a lot of linux youtubers that arent conspiracy spreading, tin-foil hat (maybe not completely openly, but theyll hint at having a basement stocked full of canned goods), types. ive noticed.
@@KoopstaKlicca tech bros in general are weirdos. I daily drive Arch (though dual boot windows for some software and games still these days) but I fucking HATE interacting with most of the other people that use Linux. I have one Swedish friend online I enjoy talking about this sort of stuff with but otherwise I grown interacting with a lot of people in the "Linux community"
I feel like all the Linux RUclipsrs I get recommended are 4channers, talking about "glowies" and filling their videos with wojak memes... Are there no normal Linux RUclipsrs?
Congrats. Very good job. I had only previously watched Lunduke's video on the new gnome exec director (which I found cringe worthy) so being aware about what type of person he is, is really important to me. Well done. 1:10:31
Nice job on your first long form piece of content! You've come such a long way over the years. I never did a deep dive on him but it was pretty apparent after watching a fair amount of his content many years ago this was the type of politics he believed in and I stopped giving him views, it's a shame he and many other more prominent linux creators are part of the unhinged part of the spectrum. Happy to have your voice rising up, and I hope others like Brodie don't continue to platform people who espouse such nonsense, especially in the current environment where it can be literally dangerous to members of the community. It's important to stamp out pipelines to hateful and conspiracy filled content, there is such thing as the paradox of tolerance.
9 месяцев назад+3
"...dont continue to platform people who espouse such nonsense..." another one from the cancelling crowd? Disagreements must be resolved by eliminating people from the equation and not debate? Diversity matters, except when it's diversity of opinions?
@"I'm the victim" is what you're shouting from the rooftops here. While at the same time following an ideology actively taking rights away from people, banning books and tying themselves closely to an utterly bigoted and dysfunctional religion. You are no victim. Just following politics only benefitting the top 5-10% and leaving the rest of the people out to die. An ideology based fundamentally on in-group and out-group thinking. An ideology only alive through damning everybody different to themselves. You don't have a right for hate to be platformed, full stop. Especially not in the non-murican regions of the world. People like you would get an aneurysm if you ever happened to move to germany/france/the nordics, heh. Especially in regards to hate speech, it's always about weighing the rights of both sides. Who's more important, the one being harrassed or the harasser's free speech? Most of the highly developed countries consider the harrassed's right to not be harrassed more important. Only the US swings the other way here and is for good reason considered a clown show by the rest of the world in regards to its completely and utterly insane politics. You can't endorse the holocaust here in germany, nor can you call for extermination of any people. Nor can you institutionally or socially harrass anybody for sexuality or ethnicity. And we're still alive. Society hasn't collapsed. Discourse in the country has been balanced for a long time, despite (or i'd say "because of") those laws. The world isn't black and white, my dude. Other people and ways of life matter just as much as yours.
Need to listen to the whole video but I first have a piece of what I hope will be taken as a constructive criticism - why, oh why are you resorting to holding your mic when you have a perfectly good stand? It's even in the frame and judging by chapter thumbs, you know how to use it 😉
Huh. I think I watched some of the pre-covid "Linux Sucks" videos, finding them if not agreeable, then the interesting kind of opinionated. Fascinating to know that if I poked juuuust a bit further, I would've found the guy hates people like me.
I stopped watching him even without knowing how deep the rabbit hole went. Even his "no politics" content was unbearable for political reasons. It was also obvious that no amount of interpretation and ideological disentanglement effort from the audience (short of going out and investigate on our own) could suffice to salvage some of the "objective" information he presented. It just showed too many times to be falsified to serve a point; and even when not, the interest of the topics selected was not always something universal, let's say. DistroTube's not bad. He does introduce certain remarks and editorializes in a way that just puts me off, so I don't watch him too often. But to be fair to him, he does seem to treat the information he presents seriously enough, and I respect that. I don't know what Brodie's stance is politically. I just like his videos so far, and nothing ever bothered me too much, lol (I do get some right wing libertarian "vibes" from him, but let's just say, "saner" than Lunduke's, and tolerable). And he answered some of my comments, so he's done due diligence and reinforced the parasocials properly, he's a really cool dude ;)
I want to sincerely thank you for this video, Niccolo. I read/watched Lundukes videos and I didn't quite take his opinions at face value, but it is worse than I thought.
9 месяцев назад+5
It's not. The video is filled with exaggerations, misrepresentations, even some outright lies, not to mention the ideological absolutism of Nicco that "feels like crying" when a person does not follow his newspeak (e.g. Deadname) or twisted morality. It's a video where Nicco asks again and again for people to consider _not_ associating with Lunduke, that is, it is an attempt at cancelling him. (I've posted a longer response but youtube shadowbanned my comment)
Well done, Nicco! I know this video was very difficult to make, and I also learned Lunduke's true beliefs the hard way, after he accused openSUSE of various bigotries. No one should be giving him any sort of platform, even under the guise of trying to "understand" him.
This is a video that ive been waiting for someone to make. Tech people very often pretend they are above politics and aocial issues while pushing their own views and I haven't seen a video calling them out. I appreciate this video for what it does to start a conversation that really needs to happen about RUclipsrs in thr tech space.
After seem the Non-binary joke, I had to make a counter joke: We do we struggle so much with implementing fuzzy logic? Because Binary people can only think in 0s and 1s.
I didn't actually knew about this character (let's call him that way), but I love hearing someone actually talking publicly about politics and tech together. In my experience, people who say "I'm apolitical" generally fall on one of two categories: people who are complacent with the system and people who want to sell you their obviously political ideas as neutral, as an objective truth that you can scientifically verify. That second type of person, whether they are aware of it or not, are dishonest and dangerous. That aside, great video, it was very interesting to watch
I am seriously impressed by the amount of work you put into this video. The Opensuse community regularly has people asking questions that are clearly informed by Lunduke’s FUD and lies. The man has no integrity. I used to think that he knows he is lying because he makes it up (because like many creators on the US radical right he has learnt it is a great grift). Nowadays I think the man is utterly delusional and believes his own lies as he makes them up. So sad His so called “software development” history is also really interesting. He has always been a man in search of a grift.
people get so defensive of free/open source leadership, but those projects don't need specific people at the helm to continue to exist (isn't that the whole point?) i love computers and open source but it pains me to see people in the community with zero political literacy and in many cases straight-up reactionaries tldr Great video. I'll be donating some money to the org of your choosing. (did you pick one, by the way?)
I've had a lot of suggestions of the Trevor project, but I'm also tempted by my city LGBT organization. I'm waiting for the YT ad revenue to be transferred right now
Thanks for the video. I really used to enjoy Lunduke in the before times. I don't know if something happened to him, or it was just the world but there was marked a shift in how/what he presented at some point towards conspiracy thinking and what looks like a persecution complex. I hope there are people around him who care about him and who may be able to gently walk him back to a healthier place.
odysee not moderating their platform is not true, what actually happens is that a member of odysee staff will leave a comment on your page asking you to take it down. I had this happen to a friend of mine. my friend uploaded thousands of videos for archival purposes and he didn't know which ones would be bad for the platform, so he asked to take his channel off of the odysee platform. also note that event though you can't see his posts through odysee, the odysee seeder still seeds the videos through the lbry network. they do remove some content immediately though. not sure what qualifies for immediate deletion, but I assume it's DMCA related.
not only is their moderation not adequate, but it's corrupt, as the dude who asked my friend to delete the videos was using his connections with the odysee staff to get them to take down the videos because he was using their site.
The idea that the LBRY team had was really great and truly something special. The problem is it was most sabotaged by the Odysee team. There's still no way to do administrative things with your account except contacting them via email or Discord, the moderation tools are terrible (probably on purpose), and they got involved in the big SEC lawsuit they could never win. Because blockchain, deleting your account for creators like me and Niccolo is impossible and even if you do, posers will take your handle and could possibly misrepresent you.
Wow, never thought I'd see a Linux x breadtube crossover. 😂 On a more serious note, congratulations on the great video Nicco. We have a serious lack of political examination of tech in the mainstream. So, thanks for making the situation a little better. Looking forward to more such videos. :)
Haven’t finished watching, but i sure hope it isn’t that bad because for me at least, breadtube is rabidly hateful toward me and those like me (I’m half-Ukrainian and been called fascist by them based on that alone).
@@liesdamnlies3372 I'm sorry that happened to you. I've never delved that deep into breadtube to know of such people. By breadtube I meant people like hbomberguy. He's a very reasonable creator, at least in my opinion.
@@mananabanana Breadtube is a shit and dying echo chamber of sheltered westerners who're ok with propping up other country's right-wing (because they don't know what the fuck they advocate for). One example: the huge parts of the breadtube community simping for the IRGC and the theocracy in Iran because their favorite tankie content creator Hasan can't think of anything beyond his 'america bad' point of view (which is ironically very american-centric). Please don't lump actually good content creators like Nico in with that community. I'm progressive, and there's plenty of us progressives that realize what a sick virtue-signaling twisted place breadtube is. Where they claim to 'advocate for us minorities' on the one hand, but then e.g. do shit like refer to the ex-muslim communities as 'useful idiots for the right wing' the next second.
You have valid criticisms. Thank you for going in depth, there were a lot of stuff I hadn't seen yet. I disagree when you ask people not to "platform" him, but pointing out his politics beforehand is a sensible idea.
Great video, very thorough, I took a look at Lunduke's blog after his podcast with DT and Brodie and I just took his self-published “leaks” and his analysis of the Linux Foundation’s spending at face value, so it’s helpful to know he has a history of pushing misinformation.
@@jonessiiTbf, having right wing viewpoints on its own isn't something to cast someone out for. Nothing I have seen from Brodie has stretched into the outright harassment and conspiracy that Lunduke frequently engages in, same goes for DistroTube and Chris Titus. People are free to have their opinions.
@@OSCrustacean Exactly this. You can't accuse other people Lunduke has involved himself with of being bad people. They don't choose to do political channels - Chris just screws around with technology and Brodie just likes to talk about linux / open source.
@@warthunder1969 It's funny to see that many loudest problematic Linux RUclipsrs like Lunduke or Switch to Linux are also trying to pull any other Linux people from Brodie, TechHut, Liam (Gaming on Linux), Trafotin,... and when they get backfired (being criticised back of their problematic views) or they cannot contact them they tried to boycott the people they wanted to pull in
in terms of nonprofit org to donate to, the trevor project is always a safe bet. i'd love to see you donate to an org that is more local to me, and my community, like the aguda or IGY, but I also understand that this is my personal bias, and you might want a more "global" org or at least one with much bigger impact. I loved the video, and love to see more openly left wing linux youtubers!
The Trevor Project is anti-union. Friends of Trevor try to work with the org, but it seems that the workers there are constantly harmed by corporate greed.
i figured the wallpaper in the back was an HBomberGuy reference but then you actually showed the video!
Wait a minute, I recognize that wallpaper reference...
Hbomberguy? The "sell their house to who Ben???" part?
Did ya notice the "Hsexyguy" reference too? I think Nicco has a crush.
wow, this video must have taken ages to make. You can really tell by how well organized it is
It is absolutely epic ;-) Only half-way through, but I have to say that it is incredibly well made.
When I was younger, I would have agreed with that rude argument. Since then, however, I've worked on an open source project of my own, and I've actually built up some experience in the world of software development.
Being rude, I've found, is counterproductive. You either discourage people, or you just succeed in angering them. Someone who is angry will likely not learn from the mistakes they have made and is unlikely to do what had been asked from them. Resulting in more lost productivity down the line.
The only time when being rude is effective is when being nice is ineffective. Even then, it is often better to just stick to insulting the work done and not the person who had done the work. "This code sucks" is better than "my grandmother could write better code."
"Well can you bring your grandma here"
"My grandma died"
"LMAO"
Yeah it promotes that kind of work. They confused rude with directness. Tell me that my code sucks and how can I improve it. Don't tell me that it's a good day and I have to guess what you actually want to say.
Virtual on screen keyboard overlay over on lockscreen page wayland, ease of accessibility
Ought to give shoutouts to Tommy Tallarico for inventing Linux
god, that self-hype section gave me so many tallarico vibes
Yeah, but who has the Guinness World Records for so many Linuxes Linuxes?!
his mother is very proud
Lunduke is a quack, and I say that with all the respect he's due. He's gone from someone reputable in the Linux sphere to someone who's eccentric views can't be trusted.
Based and correct.
Obviously, Lunduke doesn't know how to use linux anymore.
Says the chronic liar who can't keep his story straight for two comments in a row 🤣
@@kpcraftster6580 and pray tell when did I lie?
@@TheLinuxCast I told you before and all you did was report brigade my responses then post screenshots to X and mastodon that carefully cropped out me fact checking your lies.
Come now, aren't you supposed to be a linux toober? Put in some elbow grease for once in your life...
Can we make the cat ears thing a thing for every video? It fits you very well.
err you can surely try to convince me
@@niccoloveslinux ...Please?
I definitely +1 the ears. Maybe not every video but sometimes at least
@@niccoloveslinux cat ears improve productivity by 200%, we can prove it, if our data people stopped meowing...
It could be called Neko Loves Linux
This will definitely stir the hornet's nest, but this is well made. I appreciate you for making this video.
why? It's just a very dishonest, biased attempt to cancel Lunduke. Dude wants to make his ideology the only accepted standard. He's a fanatical cultist which gets triggered if people don't use his vocabulary like "deadname" or "transgender"; he thinks he has the right to impose these on everyone.
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@, Cry about it bigot!!! And cry about it some more!
@ yeah sure, not like the people who get triggerd by people using the words deadname, transgender, or just people going by a different name they chose themself.
@@Alex_Vir it's not really a trigger, at least not like the original concept from psychiatry. There is no trauma involved. Just a deep intellectual disagreement, along with the perception that no one can use these words honestly. Transgender specifically is self-contradictory in the own terms of the ideology that created it, so much that it's usual to see someone saying something like "a trans[gender] woman is a woman"
I don't think anyone can ever be completely apolitical in any type of content. Absolutely anything can be considered political to some because politics affects anything and everything, it's just a matter of how different your political views are before any of your actions/opinions start to become political. Some people say they are avoiding politics just to push their political opinions and having others believe they're an innocent apolitical person getting attacked by angry political activists.
Truth imo. Saying you "don't do politics" is the same as saying you don't believe in gravity.
If you sincerely believe that you should be able to define politics objectively and then tell me how a 10 second video featuring a guinea pig eating a strawberry is in any way political. Also how do politics affect rocks on Pluto in any way?
@@gensoustudio4703I don't think you can objectively define anything but people can for political reasons take issues with the content of those videos. Ethical vegans probably don't like such animal videos lol.
@@AndersHass I didn't know "ethical vegans" cared about the consumption of strawberries, since they're all about animal products. lol. But still doesn't address the rocks on Pluto.
Still what you just said illustrates the contradiction. One can not simultaneously claim "Absolutely anything can be considered political to some because politics affects anything and everything" without being able to objectively define it in a way where it does exactly that. You're not just saying there is some hypothetical insane person that considers any random thing political, you're saying their insane belief would have truth since politics affect "anything and everything". Which would mean "politics" is an observer independent phenomena or some sort of truth about reality itself. It also falls apart if you lack an objective definition because the insane person's consideration of what is political can be dismissed by anyone.
@@gensoustudio4703 Everything is politics, even a "10 second video featuring a guinea pig eating a strawberry". Maybe the result isn't meant to be political, but the process is. What is the video's objective? What tools are used? On what platform the is video hosted? Etc…
"Independently verified by me"
Source: Dude trust me
same thing
and since I know you're probably going to read all the comments, can you please link to your stuff on the "About" section of your channel, that's always where I go look for stuff
I'll add it on my to-do list!
To claim that you can separate your ideals from what you do, is not really true.
How can you exclude your ideals from what you do if you do what you do because of your ideals?
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tehehe pokemon black and white truth vs ideals
Thank you for this video Nicco, excellent quality as usual! I almost wish you also published a longer more complete version of this video that includes all your swears (obviously in Italian)
When I first switched to Linux, Lunduke used to give his political opinion all the time, then he got backlash in the comments because he suggest Mozilla was funding Antifa, and suddenly decided to claim 'no politics' on his supposed 'tech' channel. Stallman is a strange guy, but he is a staunch defender of Free Software which is why many people wanted him back in the Linux foundation. In fact, Lunduke turned around and wanted Stallman out at one point, I guess he found out that Stallman wasn't conservative.
If his channels or sites have comments I'd wager the "no politics" rule is only enforced against anyone who disagrees with him and makes a good point.
@@HontasFarmer80this. But that is the standard on those right wing platforms.
Man, I must have been watching him before he went all radical. I don't remember him ever giving his political opinion back in the day. At some point he just kinda vanished from my radar. I completely forgot he existed until this video.
@@henrickbull He used talk about breaking up Google, about DRM video, digital privacy. All kinds of stuff that would have been politics related to tech. But then he decided 'no politics' after he suggested some open-source projects were funding radical groups. (I still haven't seen any proof of that was true.) then he left RUclips to go to Odysee and came back after a few years or so.
Lunduke is hardly conservative.
It's just the left has gone so far out into the loony left field that anyone to the right of Mao Tse Tung is considered a fascist.
I love how this watches a lot like a "Hsexyguy" video (didn't think we'd notice that?). Especially the outro. I half expected you to bust through the wall at one point.
Keep doing your thing, Nicco. In my opinion, you're one of the most watchable Linux content channels.
Extremely well structured and researched expose. Thank you for this work. It makes a lot of things fall into place.
Thank you Tommy Tallarico for exposing Bryan Lunduke on all this 😢
His mom is very proud
@@ebassi Nicco actually holds the guinnes wold record for the most KDE videos produced in his lifetime
He has this fountain but sometimes he has to pee at night @kookiespace
As sad as it it to say. For Richard Stallman's case:
There is no great genius without some touch of madness said Aristotle.
He's still the one who initiated the whole ass thing.
yeah, the line between insanity and genius is a narrow (and blurry) one
lmao the covid notice is wild
a bit of a spoiler
Ywnbaw
Tearing the wallpaper gave me Hbomberguy vibes :D
Awesome video!
Edit: you actually mention him :D
I remember Stallman showed up at DTU back in like 2014 or so, and I was there. While he was advocating for his position he was also pulling the skin from between his toes and eating it. This is why the FSF isn’t popular. 😂
Oh God, why did you remind me of it?
He's definitely a weirdo. Both in the ways that the world needs. And in the "oh god why, please don't" kind of way.
Oh come on, he was recycling! 😛😂😂
I can see he has been at the Technical University of Denmark multiple times.
I am no psychiatrist but it does sound like he has autism (like me, I do not eat the skin between my toes though, lol).
Edit: My point isn't that you gotta eat the skin between your toes in order to be autistic (otherwise I wouldn't be autistic, lol). My basis for Stallman being autistic is way more than the toe skin eating ordeal.
what...What...WHAT seriously WHAT r u saying that someone actually pulls of dead skin n eats it? nah must be a joke....someone post a link n prove me wrong
33:20 the story wasn't even about a 3 year old child, it was a story that *started* when the child was three, and clearly discusses the child getting older. If I write the story of my life and start it at age 5, that doesn't mean I am 5 years old.
Today I stumbled upon his "Linux Sucks 2024" video. As I remembered some videos by the same name I started watching: at first concerning, my worries lasted no more than a few minutes as the lack of sources except from himself and some mysterious "inside whistleblowers" made it obvious that all he was saying was either made up or twisted in order to support his point of view. Luckily among the suggested videos there was your response.
By the way, weren't there some specular "Linux Is Awesome" videos or something like that by the same author? Hopefully I'm not mistaking him for somebody else.
5:20 Stallman is talking about a single person, who was his friend and colleague for a long time, not about all the island visitors and all the children in general, even your screenshot shows that. It's really disingenious to present him as some pro-pedo advocate, as a lot of people did.
people have no idea what "insurrection" means
thank you so much for this video. youtube started showing up some lunduke videos some time ago and since i didnt know any context about him, i watched them and took the information as is. i also dont really know much about linux as well, so i just took the content as valuable and interesting, since i myself am pretty new to this whole space. i started to notice that he is a weird character with lots of weird beliefs i dont share which made it easier for me to take his content with a grain of salt, but still it was hard for me to figure out, what stuff he makes up and what is actually true. he made a video about firefox and how bad it's gonna be with the new updates, and i am still not sure, what to believe since i have not seen anybody else really talk about this that seems more trustworthy and since the topic often overcharges me (i dont know if you say it like this, its just a lot for me) and it seems to be hard to stay informed with all the things happening at once. i think it is dangerous that people who are interested in linux and tech stuff, but are new to the space are confronted with creators such as lunduke, luke smith etc without any context on their weird conspiratory beliefs and its important to make this a space where conspiracies, homo- or transphobia and just in general right wing narratives are kept out of.
How about the other side? Should that be kept out, too?
What about NixOS leaders talking about the need for a "purge", because some don't want to wave their flag?
Not actively going against it, mind you. Those people pushed for a "purge", because some simply wanted to be left alone, not having to express allegiance one way or the other.
What about that "do as we tell you or else" attitude?
@pelic9608 I don‘t really know what you refer to and therefore can‘t judge this. either way I don‘t think there‘s two „sides“ to this? I think, like I said, that Lunduke is a character that shouldn‘t get the attention he may be getting because he spreads harmful stuff. that is the case for every person that does so. Of course a „purge“ is a very violent and destructive thing to ask for and I think if this is somebodies choice of words in no matter what political context, they should be held accountable. But there‘s no two sides to judging people based off what destructive messages they spread, no matter where on the political spectrum you may find yourself. You can always criticise others constructively and distance yourself from them, even if you may line up with some things they say. But if you spread homo- or transphobia, racism, sexism or whatever, you are part of the problem
The internet has in general made a lot of people deranged. Platforms allow for people who might not take rejection well a voice that could be shadow banned, which itself is an unnatural mode of communicating that causes resentment from people with weird opinions. I feel bad for him. His latest video about MacOS was good though.
Reason 1: Linux doesn't suck
(if you've seen one of those videos, the title of that yearly talk has always been clickbait, btw)
@@thibaultmol Luckily, I have not
True, but Linux Desktop still suck time to time ;)
True
YES AGREE. :)
Nice investigation, thanks for giving some clarity. Content creators have a huge responsability, missinformation hurts too much and I don't want that for our Linux community or any other. 🤗I hope this is a correct use of this emoji :)
I am of two minds as a trans person in this community. On the one hand, I really appreciate how Linux is this space where we all work together in the name of freedom. And I really genuinely think that liberty is more important than my own political views. I'm happy that Linux acts as a meeting place where the sides the world is currently so heavily polarised into can come together and work on something and see that we all at least do support freedom. On the other hand transphobia ain't fun to experience and it can be jarring to realise that you're in a space where a lot of people are hostile towards you for who you are.
I understand the logic behind people who support liberty so strongly also wanting the liberty to say what they want. I also understand how it could feel like Linux is losing some aspect of its focus on liberty by people getting kicked out for things like being transphobic. But then equally, me wanting to live as the person I am is also a matter of liberty. And as much as the people saying they just want to speak their disdain for me can say that, I also can't help but notice that they don't really like being harassed by people on the internet either.
I appreciate this video Nicco. It is genuinely nice to see an explicitly trans positive space. I hope you take care of your mental health and that you look after yourself if this kicks off into a bigger thing. Genuinely if you're burnt out and if you end up finding that making videos like this gets you hate and that makes things harder, remember that you're already doing so much good for the world as is. Much more than most people do. You're obviously a very altruistic person and the world is lucky to have you.
It's as they say: "Your right to swing your fist around ends at the tip of my nose." Aka, your rights ends when they start affecting others.
There's a reason why hate speech is called such a thing, nobody has the "human right" to oppress and bully others into submission. Its a cowardly tactic.
Bigots have no place in the linux community.
Freedom of speech should be a responsibility, not an excuse. I appreciate that you are more aware of its seriousness than people like Lunduke.
The problem is that currently it does not resemble equality, but rather the promotion of all minorities at the expense of those who cannot count on special treatment. Additional points in studies only for your orientation, skin color or gender. Special, free courses only for women, etc. According to regulations in Poland, a woman working in the cold must be given a warm meal if she consumes a certain amount of calories while working. But a man will get such a meal if he uses twice as much energy. Did you know that in Poland women retire 5 years earlier than men? And men live 10 years shorter. We have a public pension system like most European countries, if you are from the US the concept may be a bit abstract but it is discrimination. I'm disabled and I probably won't live to see retirement, so fuck this "equality".
I'm sorry you've experienced transphobia in the community. I hope you know that the vast majority of folks I've interacted with are allies. You're welcome here, and we will back you up.
@@CassidyJames Thank you very much.
Preface- thank you for reading this if you do.
I’m new to using linux but I’ve been curious about it for a while now and am really enjoying the journey. I think it’s sad for people to be so exclusionary in the community as it prevents progress and empowers the corporations that suppress.
The people who are the loudest do not represent most and it gives the community a bad rep imo. I think that freedom and equality are cores of the concept of FOSS/Linux. We should embrace that. Doubling down on insane takes for someone who is in the public eye is always a bad move. Excluding people who want things to work and a stable is experience is so weird. Imposing your beliefs on others and stripping away their agency while also whining about your freedom is inherently amoral and contradictory. Individualist societies naturally cause division and suppress everyone. They prevent the true nature of humanity and the rise of the proletariat.
The root cause of all evil is money and power.
We continue to repeat history and we will until we are not so self obsessed.
He makes a very good point though - very little of the money received by the foundation pays for development of GNOME and KDE. It'd be nice if these projects received more funding. Imagine what they'd be able to do with just 10% of LF's revenue.
Ye well developers of open source projects also need some money for their own lives and not use it all for the project.
I still think "pleasure card" is a cute and clever word play on "business card" and "business or pleasure" and I'm willing to die on that hill! (ok, not really willing, but still)
Such a shame. I think it was really smart for Linux users to own the meme "Linux sucks" and use it as an opportunity to constructively criticize our own shortcomings. Because that's what it takes to be progressive. Ironic how important it is to him to conserve the status quo.
Politely disagree with your opinion.
Linux been shifting from a community based to a corporate based, and no one can deny that. Companies have their economic interest and sometimes political agendas. That destroys the main purpose of OpenSource.
Many things Lunduke discusses don't really interest me and it mostly is very dramatic but I like to have some stark different opinions from time to time. It helps me not to fall into echo chambers and seeing a broader image overall - especially if I don't agree with something.
Even if it's annoying that he focuses so much on it - I don't know other sources with similar news he shares.
Can we get a video on how to report bugs, request features, suggestions, contribute (properly). everything is everywhere and its confusing compared to gnome.
Just a note for the editor, you should really consider making those text corrections like "he still has it" appear on the screen for a little longer. You don't want to try to be funny by showing something that only some will see, you want all people to see that correction otherwise it's pointless.
The idea was to make you stop the video if you want to read them. It's somewhat common
@@niccoloveslinux I love the video, but this was really annoying if I'm honest, maybe like a second instead of a couple frames would be better
@@niccoloveslinuxthe problem is they weren't up long enough for someone watching on a phone to stop the video. By the time you can get it stopped the comment is gone. Skip back 10 seconds, try again, repeat.
also, also, I had no idea that you were PD affiliated and I want to let you know that that I voted PD in 2022, but only because it was the least bad option on the table (and strategic voting ofc)
ahaha apparently everyone voted PD as the least bad option
@@niccoloveslinux Pretty much same situation for me, sometimes to rotate a bit I also voted for +Europa but it's always between those two parties that I decide. I actually find it extremely odd that someone like Luke from the opposite end of the political spectrum compared to us cares about Linux and the FSF ideology, my best guess is that he did not understand it fully.
@@plarpoon I'm not surprised. People who are against any kind of external limitation are correlated both with free software, as in freedom from companies and privacy from governments, and far right wing politics, being against the government intervening in any form
@@niccoloveslinux Your reasoning actually makes a lot of sense, thank you for the quick answer!
Every time I decide to give that guy another chance I wind up disgusted, writing 10000 words in a comment and then realizing I don't want to deal with the results of posting it. Thanks for daring to actually cover this stuff and so sorry for everything stupid that probably happened as a result, you are doing the Lord's work here.
KDE Plasma 6 on FreeBSD is sooo good :P Long Live *BSD :P
Yeah... there's a reason he's only ever been on the fringe. As linux has become more widely used his views have become more exclusionary
Great Video! Thank you so much.
Great video, always wondered what happened to that guy.
I first watched Lunduke many years ago (like more than 10 years ago), didn't pick up on the politics too much at the time. And its always possible that I just never caught one of the videos with the political themes at the time. I haven't watched his videos like at all in like 7 or 8 years at this point, but his videos have popped up more and more for me on the recommended page. His far right views have been on very blatant display in every single one of them.
Wow. Incredibly well done. I was hesitant to watch something drawing more attention to Lunduke and generally my policy is to deplatform and just not talk about transphobic, conspiracy theorist folks but it is important for people to understand why so many in the community have done so. It's not some coordinated liberal conspiracy or whatever, we just, you know, don't think it's healthy to give attention and mind space to someone spreading hate and conspiracies about ourselves or our friends. Thank you for making and sharing this as the definitive “Why no Lunduke” source.
Thank you for making this video. It definitely covers everything that is awful about Lunduke.....😬
There was a time when I watched his work and kinda agreed with him (tech-wise). I very nearly funded his studio project. I even bought one of his existing System76 systems when he was upgrading back in 2018. (I only *just* moved it to server duty.) But as you mentioned, his politics and tech blend way more often than he claims, and when I reached out to ask him a question back in 2020 regarding Framework, he responded with a sentence in response to my actual question, then a paragraph about why he didn't think I should be involved in tech anymore. As far as I could tell from that email, his rational was that "trans people are invading Linux and ruining it", but at that point I was already on the fence about following him anymore (he'd just started his commentary on the pandemic), and so I decided he didn't need to be a part of my online experience.
It's a real shame, because from a pure tech point-of-view, early Lunduke was fun and interesting. A sad "never meet your heros" moment for sure.
EDIT: Wanna add that 2020 was when I first changed my name, including in my email client. I still hadn't updated my email address, and had previous communications with him prior as part of buying the computer, so he was at least passingly familiar with who I was. Just in-case there's some confusion on how he found out. It's not something I would have told him otherwise at the time, cause I was pretty sure he wasn't gonna be kind about it.
At the end of the day - Money Talks and BS walks - If you don't agree with a content creator or someone you interact with then choose not to support them, or better yet leave the politics at the door. That's how I'm treating these sort of situations.
I'm not too familiar in linux. but getting older I have felt the divide. It's hard enough for individuals to understand people they don't know it takes time, and in the work force it's not about making friends as doing a good job. My experience with trans in the work place is more of tip toeing and working around them. I've dated trans, been offered engagement, but at work it's different, Had them break down. There can be a lot of emotional baggage. So to that degree I can understand the nervousness of the fear of the unknown. Not every job comes with stress, I can understand why he may fear with deadlines, but ultimately trans are here to stay. I have no knowledge of the guy himself to say. But rather than look down on your hero. You could question what it was that brought him to that level of dissidence. It may not retort to you, but maybe there is a line he's fixated on. That he's had to deal with. But he allowed his emotions to get the best of him. don't let it stop you from your goals in life.
@@HomikaGamingi've seen the same type of thing. i have friends and relatives who have transitioned, so in general i support the trans community not being discriminated against and getting fair treatment.
on the other hand, you have the trans equivalent of the feminazis who are only interested in promoting trans under every circumstance, and who's effect is just to annoy everyone to the point that they don't want to hear anything about trans any more. these people should just learn when to shut up so as to stop harming their cause.
He became a fatalist years ego while mascarading it with long strings of "i loooooove this and that but"
This was BEAUTIFULLY done! Bravo.
I think Lunduke does have a point about how users and devs are being threatened or treated with bans, IMHO it feels just as aggressive as being rude.
Great video. Summarizing the issue with a certain person.
With all that is going on. Motivates me to maybe bring out more Linux specific videos again on my channel. Dried out a bit since people are crazy about smartphone cameras and not so much about package managers, desktops or the linux command line 😂
No, he did not offer a summary. Instead, he offered a very long video trying to cancel Lunduke, with many lies intertwined with half-truths and ideological absolutism where his own ideology is the only acceptable moral standard (that we can see with cultist vocabulary like "deadname").
@ Hmm... then maybe they both should talk directly with each other. You think that would help?
@@lltechview ah, it's very easy to say that after an hour long video full of slanders and accusations against Lunduke. As far as I remember from the video, Nicco made no attempt to settle things up with Lunduke before doing this video. He just made this biased dossier against him and published it to get him cancelled.
My body is ready
Awesome video! If you're still taking nonprofit suggestions, I'd look at donating to the Trevor Project.
Thanks!
Hard recommend against. They're very anti-union.
In honor of this great video, I'll install the KDE copr on my desktop. First time since I tried out the DE on my RPI4 years ago. 🎉
I think this obsession over people's political agenda has caused people to fight against each other more then ever necessary.
Given Gnomes bad of the name Lunduke on their forum, this should probably be reanalyzed.
Great video. I've watched some of your videos before and the content is always good, but this got me to subscribe. To make a small constructive criticism, though, I would have liked to see a bit less emphasis on just talking about a long list of things Lunduke has done, and more on why his toxic political views are dangerous and harmful. I know that's going to be very obvious to those who are somewhat more politically aware than average, but for many others, that sort of context is needed for them to understand why this is something they should even care about at all. I know you didn't try to hide the hbomberguy influence in this video, given that you even mentioned some of his videos. Well, one of the (many) things that makes hbomberguy's videos genuinely exceptional and not just good or great, is that he *always* gives the sort of context I'm talking about here. Still, great job considering it seems to be the first time you've done this kind of content and covered to this extent.
Damn thank you for making this video. The baseless fearmongering in the Linux Sucks 2021 talk made me unsubscribe from Lunduke, I didn't know it went this deep
Nicco is doing the same thing with politics, he's repeating what fake experts have been saying.
3:05 Hey, Nicco. The "Nigh" from "End is Nigh" is pronounced as "N-eye", not "Night". Just wanted to clarify that. I know you're not a native english speaker. 🙂
Don't know if it was intended... but the thumbnail looks like that meme of the two ladies pointing at a cat and you're the cat lol
Bravo, liked the music, the research and chapters!
If the masses don't even care how smartphones app sucks compared to PC, how could we fill the gap between the savvy and the regular users? But mostly, is it so necessary? The IT field needs customers. Customers does damages or get damaged in several ways. We need this circle in order to don't run out of business.
It was long and long video but I watched till the end.
Thank you
Bottom line: It's all about staying sharp and open-minded, questioning what we consume, and not getting trapped in a single viewpoint. Keeps things interesting and balanced!
Be wary of any ideology that promotes division between you and your fellow human.
Peace!
oh this guy, lunduke! yeah, I ran into a Reddit post that said OpenSuse was banning people who are not allies of LGBT+ and so I tried to find the sources behind it, finding very little about it on google. The ones I did find came from this guy, Lunduke. So I looked further in and found that it was a whole lot of nothing, Lunduke seemingly doesn't understand how nested replies work.
Oh ok, you talked about it at the 48 minute mark or so. He stated that the community admin, (who he names) in an opensuse forum said the "rotten piece of flesh" part, but they didn't actually say it, they were replying to the member who said the "offensive remark" and it was a neutral response. Having had spent what felt like an hour+ chasing this smoke and not finding fire, I mentally labeled Lunduke a kid who cries wolf and should never been taken seriously.
I dont get the point keep politics away from linux when linux in of itself is a literal politic statement of freedom.
FOSS is indeed a fully libertarian concept.
@@SnakePlissken25 I would argue its more left leaning since FOSS software is made by the people for the people.
@@AviatorXD Check the proportions of code contributions from individuals to those of companies.
That's tangental though; It is libertarian simply because it doesn't aim to restrict anyone.
@@AviatorXD If it were left leaning it would restrict access based on class and status. Libertarian fits better.
@uhruojlmao... Marx rolling his grave "Stateless, classless Society"
Libertarian is pro companies. If a company like idk... Microsoft had idk, outsized impact on the market, and could say, lobby/bribe the education system (private, public, doesn't matter) to use microsoft's operating system. Then that environment wouldn't exactly allow Linux to exist (I mean it can. But that's really against the odds now is it.)
I don't get it. What part of "only an adult can give consent properly" is hard to understand?
Anyway, I also am into "none of that matter to linux itself" way.
Goddamn, I'm so happy I subbed to the channel when I did. (LTT linus vs like use linus). And since I love KDE project (or Kproject), it was a boon as well, but these are some really great coverage/documentaries/journalism I love. Great work.
there arent a lot of linux youtubers that arent conspiracy spreading, tin-foil hat (maybe not completely openly, but theyll hint at having a basement stocked full of canned goods), types. ive noticed.
The Linux to conspiracy luddite pipeline is real
@@KoopstaKlicca tech bros in general are weirdos. I daily drive Arch (though dual boot windows for some software and games still these days) but I fucking HATE interacting with most of the other people that use Linux. I have one Swedish friend online I enjoy talking about this sort of stuff with but otherwise I grown interacting with a lot of people in the "Linux community"
I feel like all the Linux RUclipsrs I get recommended are 4channers, talking about "glowies" and filling their videos with wojak memes... Are there no normal Linux RUclipsrs?
@@hemerythrindefine normal ?
So glad to have your voice in this space Nicco!
Now if only there were any brains behind it
@@kpcraftster6580 cope harder
@@archip8021 Nah all leave the seething and coping to you fascists that can't even admit that's what you are
"women and children" 🚩🚩🚩🚩
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u mad bro? @@mckendrick7672
u mad bro? @@mckendrick7672
@@mckendrick7672glad your life lies in hostility
@@Omega-mr1jgYou act as if you made a point by pointing out our hostility. That is the correct and natural response against degens like you.
Congrats. Very good job. I had only previously watched Lunduke's video on the new gnome exec director (which I found cringe worthy) so being aware about what type of person he is, is really important to me. Well done. 1:10:31
Nice job on your first long form piece of content! You've come such a long way over the years.
I never did a deep dive on him but it was pretty apparent after watching a fair amount of his content many years ago this was the type of politics he believed in and I stopped giving him views, it's a shame he and many other more prominent linux creators are part of the unhinged part of the spectrum.
Happy to have your voice rising up, and I hope others like Brodie don't continue to platform people who espouse such nonsense, especially in the current environment where it can be literally dangerous to members of the community.
It's important to stamp out pipelines to hateful and conspiracy filled content, there is such thing as the paradox of tolerance.
"...dont continue to platform people who espouse such nonsense..." another one from the cancelling crowd? Disagreements must be resolved by eliminating people from the equation and not debate? Diversity matters, except when it's diversity of opinions?
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@"I'm the victim" is what you're shouting from the rooftops here. While at the same time following an ideology actively taking rights away from people, banning books and tying themselves closely to an utterly bigoted and dysfunctional religion. You are no victim. Just following politics only benefitting the top 5-10% and leaving the rest of the people out to die. An ideology based fundamentally on in-group and out-group thinking. An ideology only alive through damning everybody different to themselves.
You don't have a right for hate to be platformed, full stop. Especially not in the non-murican regions of the world. People like you would get an aneurysm if you ever happened to move to germany/france/the nordics, heh.
Especially in regards to hate speech, it's always about weighing the rights of both sides. Who's more important, the one being harrassed or the harasser's free speech? Most of the highly developed countries consider the harrassed's right to not be harrassed more important. Only the US swings the other way here and is for good reason considered a clown show by the rest of the world in regards to its completely and utterly insane politics.
You can't endorse the holocaust here in germany, nor can you call for extermination of any people. Nor can you institutionally or socially harrass anybody for sexuality or ethnicity. And we're still alive. Society hasn't collapsed. Discourse in the country has been balanced for a long time, despite (or i'd say "because of") those laws.
The world isn't black and white, my dude. Other people and ways of life matter just as much as yours.
Need to listen to the whole video but I first have a piece of what I hope will be taken as a constructive criticism - why, oh why are you resorting to holding your mic when you have a perfectly good stand? It's even in the frame and judging by chapter thumbs, you know how to use it 😉
Huh. I think I watched some of the pre-covid "Linux Sucks" videos, finding them if not agreeable, then the interesting kind of opinionated. Fascinating to know that if I poked juuuust a bit further, I would've found the guy hates people like me.
I did try this once reverted back to windows 10 because due to being too complicated imo
I stopped watching him even without knowing how deep the rabbit hole went. Even his "no politics" content was unbearable for political reasons. It was also obvious that no amount of interpretation and ideological disentanglement effort from the audience (short of going out and investigate on our own) could suffice to salvage some of the "objective" information he presented. It just showed too many times to be falsified to serve a point; and even when not, the interest of the topics selected was not always something universal, let's say.
DistroTube's not bad. He does introduce certain remarks and editorializes in a way that just puts me off, so I don't watch him too often. But to be fair to him, he does seem to treat the information he presents seriously enough, and I respect that.
I don't know what Brodie's stance is politically. I just like his videos so far, and nothing ever bothered me too much, lol (I do get some right wing libertarian "vibes" from him, but let's just say, "saner" than Lunduke's, and tolerable). And he answered some of my comments, so he's done due diligence and reinforced the parasocials properly, he's a really cool dude ;)
56:26 just a heads up, that video is satire. He is terrible at satire, but he isnt serious about that one.
I want to sincerely thank you for this video, Niccolo. I read/watched Lundukes videos and I didn't quite take his opinions at face value, but it is worse than I thought.
It's not. The video is filled with exaggerations, misrepresentations, even some outright lies, not to mention the ideological absolutism of Nicco that "feels like crying" when a person does not follow his newspeak (e.g. Deadname) or twisted morality. It's a video where Nicco asks again and again for people to consider _not_ associating with Lunduke, that is, it is an attempt at cancelling him. (I've posted a longer response but youtube shadowbanned my comment)
@ xd
NiccoLovesCuckin - fitting name for the likes of him.
Lol
Well done, Nicco! I know this video was very difficult to make, and I also learned Lunduke's true beliefs the hard way, after he accused openSUSE of various bigotries. No one should be giving him any sort of platform, even under the guise of trying to "understand" him.
This is a video that ive been waiting for someone to make. Tech people very often pretend they are above politics and aocial issues while pushing their own views and I haven't seen a video calling them out. I appreciate this video for what it does to start a conversation that really needs to happen about RUclipsrs in thr tech space.
After seem the Non-binary joke, I had to make a counter joke:
We do we struggle so much with implementing fuzzy logic?
Because Binary people can only think in 0s and 1s.
I don't get it!
Linux sucks, but i still use it as there is no better alternative.
except servers, they're great 👍
Some people use all caps and quotes differently. I get confused sometimes.
I didn't actually knew about this character (let's call him that way), but I love hearing someone actually talking publicly about politics and tech together. In my experience, people who say "I'm apolitical" generally fall on one of two categories: people who are complacent with the system and people who want to sell you their obviously political ideas as neutral, as an objective truth that you can scientifically verify. That second type of person, whether they are aware of it or not, are dishonest and dangerous.
That aside, great video, it was very interesting to watch
I am seriously impressed by the amount of work you put into this video. The Opensuse community regularly has people asking questions that are clearly informed by Lunduke’s FUD and lies. The man has no integrity. I used to think that he knows he is lying because he makes it up (because like many creators on the US radical right he has learnt it is a great grift). Nowadays I think the man is utterly delusional and believes his own lies as he makes them up. So sad
His so called “software development” history is also really interesting. He has always been a man in search of a grift.
people get so defensive of free/open source leadership, but those projects don't need specific people at the helm to continue to exist (isn't that the whole point?)
i love computers and open source but it pains me to see people in the community with zero political literacy and in many cases straight-up reactionaries
tldr Great video. I'll be donating some money to the org of your choosing. (did you pick one, by the way?)
I've had a lot of suggestions of the Trevor project, but I'm also tempted by my city LGBT organization. I'm waiting for the YT ad revenue to be transferred right now
Thank you, this was needed!
Thanks for the video. I really used to enjoy Lunduke in the before times. I don't know if something happened to him, or it was just the world but there was marked a shift in how/what he presented at some point towards conspiracy thinking and what looks like a persecution complex. I hope there are people around him who care about him and who may be able to gently walk him back to a healthier place.
He just uses his eyes and ears.
this is an absolutely excellent video, and you've earned a metric fuckton of respect. amazing work
odysee not moderating their platform is not true, what actually happens is that a member of odysee staff will leave a comment on your page asking you to take it down. I had this happen to a friend of mine. my friend uploaded thousands of videos for archival purposes and he didn't know which ones would be bad for the platform, so he asked to take his channel off of the odysee platform.
also note that event though you can't see his posts through odysee, the odysee seeder still seeds the videos through the lbry network.
they do remove some content immediately though. not sure what qualifies for immediate deletion, but I assume it's DMCA related.
not only is their moderation not adequate, but it's corrupt, as the dude who asked my friend to delete the videos was using his connections with the odysee staff to get them to take down the videos because he was using their site.
The idea that the LBRY team had was really great and truly something special. The problem is it was most sabotaged by the Odysee team. There's still no way to do administrative things with your account except contacting them via email or Discord, the moderation tools are terrible (probably on purpose), and they got involved in the big SEC lawsuit they could never win. Because blockchain, deleting your account for creators like me and Niccolo is impossible and even if you do, posers will take your handle and could possibly misrepresent you.
I love democracy.
~ Emperor Pomegranate
hbomberguy flashbacks
lol at 56:55 you talk about him
Hey Niccolo: Nigh = Near. Night = Nuit. Please acknowledge the difference.
Wow, never thought I'd see a Linux x breadtube crossover. 😂
On a more serious note, congratulations on the great video Nicco. We have a serious lack of political examination of tech in the mainstream. So, thanks for making the situation a little better. Looking forward to more such videos. :)
Haven’t finished watching, but i sure hope it isn’t that bad because for me at least, breadtube is rabidly hateful toward me and those like me (I’m half-Ukrainian and been called fascist by them based on that alone).
@@liesdamnlies3372 I'm sorry that happened to you. I've never delved that deep into breadtube to know of such people. By breadtube I meant people like hbomberguy. He's a very reasonable creator, at least in my opinion.
@@mananabanana Breadtube is a shit and dying echo chamber of sheltered westerners who're ok with propping up other country's right-wing (because they don't know what the fuck they advocate for). One example: the huge parts of the breadtube community simping for the IRGC and the theocracy in Iran because their favorite tankie content creator Hasan can't think of anything beyond his 'america bad' point of view (which is ironically very american-centric).
Please don't lump actually good content creators like Nico in with that community. I'm progressive, and there's plenty of us progressives that realize what a sick virtue-signaling twisted place breadtube is. Where they claim to 'advocate for us minorities' on the one hand, but then e.g. do shit like refer to the ex-muslim communities as 'useful idiots for the right wing' the next second.
@@mananabanana It’s very good to stop early, turn-around, and leave. Vaush, Bad Empanada…there’s a lot of vitriol to be found amongst them.
@@liesdamnlies3372 You mean you are half-Russian, half-Polish or half-Hungarian and to indoctrinated with banderism to admit it...
You have valid criticisms. Thank you for going in depth, there were a lot of stuff I hadn't seen yet.
I disagree when you ask people not to "platform" him, but pointing out his politics beforehand is a sensible idea.
Great video, very thorough, I took a look at Lunduke's blog after his podcast with DT and Brodie and I just took his self-published “leaks” and his analysis of the Linux Foundation’s spending at face value, so it’s helpful to know he has a history of pushing misinformation.
lol Brodie. There's another libertarian weirdo
@@jonessii *socialist creep
@@jonessiiTbf, having right wing viewpoints on its own isn't something to cast someone out for. Nothing I have seen from Brodie has stretched into the outright harassment and conspiracy that Lunduke frequently engages in, same goes for DistroTube and Chris Titus. People are free to have their opinions.
@@OSCrustacean Exactly this. You can't accuse other people Lunduke has involved himself with of being bad people. They don't choose to do political channels - Chris just screws around with technology and Brodie just likes to talk about linux / open source.
@@warthunder1969 It's funny to see that many loudest problematic Linux RUclipsrs like Lunduke or Switch to Linux are also trying to pull any other Linux people from Brodie, TechHut, Liam (Gaming on Linux), Trafotin,... and when they get backfired (being criticised back of their problematic views) or they cannot contact them they tried to boycott the people they wanted to pull in
in terms of nonprofit org to donate to, the trevor project is always a safe bet. i'd love to see you donate to an org that is more local to me, and my community, like the aguda or IGY, but I also understand that this is my personal bias, and you might want a more "global" org or at least one with much bigger impact.
I loved the video, and love to see more openly left wing linux youtubers!
The Trevor Project is anti-union. Friends of Trevor try to work with the org, but it seems that the workers there are constantly harmed by corporate greed.
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