Were Mourinho's Manchester United Underrated?
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Manchester United have struggled to find a manager that meets Sir Alex Ferguson’s levels, which is a surprise to no one. But is Jose Mourinho’s spell in charge the closest they have come?
A league cup, a Europa League title and a second-place league finish in 2017/18 are what Man United have for Mourinho’s tenure. And Mourinho has since claimed that finishing second behind Manchester City’s “Centurian” side was one of his greatest achievements.
So, is Mourinho’s time at United underrated? Jon Mackenzie evaluates, Philippe Fenner illustrates.
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"If I tell you that I consider one of the best jobs of my career was to finish second with Man United in the Premier League, you will say, 'this guy is crazy,'" - Mou
I mean, no one would have thought that Manchester United had a chance to even finish on top 2.
Overall, it's a top 6 squad plus Fred, young and reckless McTorminay, and Jones as the Achilles heels.
But also that season he reached 81 points. Nobody since Ferguson to this day reached 81 points at united. That season he beat man city away. Chelsea at home. Arsenal twice. Liverpool at home and tottenham twice. He finished ahead of Conte and klopp who had a much better squad
@@brandonayong5823 And they're people that actually compare that to ole's second.
Okay but can we at least acknowledge that he wanted to sign HARRY MAGUIRE? He was actually mad he didn't! And he spent 150 million of that 400 million on Pogba and Fred!
@@haimainjauo242 😂
He won Europa league with Smalling ,Young ,Jones,Fellani,
Respect !!!
young won serie a and chris smalling starts in a europa league side
3 of those players were very expensive signings.
And DDG
@@pysky4u You mean the guy who basically kick started his career by winning the Europa league with Atlei? Bad example lol
They were Also good
De Gea was unreal in 17/18. Almost single-handedly pushed United up to 2nd. Also broke the save record vs Arsenal.
Many saves against Tottenham also
@@DailyWord3832 that was in the next season though (when his decline is already beginning)
Genuinely believe that if we had this de gea during Ole's second season we would've won the league
He still is unreal. His saves against West Ham yesterday were spectacular
@@saltpeter500 he made 1 good save. The 40 yard shot from rice a goalie would expect to save. It’s just the media pushing the narrative that de gea saved united. In reality united should have been 3-0 up in the first half
If I remember correctly, the 2nd season we looked quite good and really well organised, but by his last season the attacking play was rigid and completely ineffectual. He also oversaw some terrible signings. Looking back though, I think he was probably the best of the post-Ferguson managers.
Some of the transfers are not what Mourinho wants thou, like Pogba.
@@HenSt-gz7qj Perhaps. I don't think anybody definitively knows which signings he wanted and which ones he didn't. Pure conjecture really.
It may have been an impossible situation for him.
"He also oversaw some terrible signings" all of his signings were not his first, second or third choice mate
Ole was better
Last trophy you won was under him. Must've been doing something right
Yes. Jose won them their last two titles, got them to another cup final AND was responsible for the best campaign in the Premier League since Sir Alex - by far. United ended the 2017-18 in second place, ahead of Conte´s Chelsea, Klopp´s Liverpool and Poch´s Spurs - not to mention Arsenal.
Respect, man. Respect.
Meanwhile Ole finished above Lampard's Chelsea (another rookie), a Spurs team past their cycle that was constantly changing managers, an injury-ridden Liverpool and an Arsenal team rebuilding under a rookie manager.
I thought he did very well in his first two seasons. He was criminally underrated in my opinion. People get too caught up in paper talk and media hype - but in the real world, to finish top 6 and win the League Cup and Europa League in his first season was impressive, and then to go on to finish 2nd and comfortably top 4 was very good with what he had.
That season where he finished 2nd he also played an fa cup final. That's a very good season by united standard post fergie
He was still the architect of his own downfall. The chelsea job before and spurs job after shows that.
He got job done but boringly. Sometime i watched united's game but never could under Mourinho. If you're not United fan, u won't watch his boring tactics
@@mikemcklieve ur not a United fan; stop capping, fans watch the team play that’s it, looking good or not is a extra
@@aakarmamtora3470 incorrect, wasn’t backed at Sprurs while asking for signings, and still managed to reach a final, using Chelsea and blaming the manager for sacking is lying to yourself to sound right. It’s literally the way chelsea found success, by sacking managers and signing new ones.
At United he reach finals, got top 4 and top 2, won 2 cups. He is a woldclass manager, the only one whom could defeat pep against peps BEST team ever, not only once but twice. History looks at your sentence and laughs at it
Mourinho in general is still underrated, despite all his successes.
He can be an uncomfortable personality, but he generally seems to know his stuff.
Mourinho is overated he is good manager and made success in the past but now his unaffected and limited tactics just not working all the Time with modern football other managers progres like pep or klopp and Carlo anceloti .....
@@dopargom6944 Guardiola had unlimited funds at City and Mourinho is managing teams like Tottenham and Roma...
@@dopargom6944 Personally, i wouldn't call ancelotti's tactics modern, even from a real madrid fan. Though i would love to understand your perspective, what is modern football and how Ancelotti fit that criteria?
@@whittar Fairly sure Mourinho was free spending while at Chelsea in his second stint, and at United. It wasn't like he didn't have access to money (although admittedly City were better run so did more with their cash).
Spurs and Roma came layer.
@@dopargom6944 you're comparing pep who manages city or bayern and has unlimited funds and DESTINED to win and be great no matter who's the coach against mourinho who's in small clubs with limited funds like roma or spurs. LOL. Pretty sure pep's the one who's overrated here.
His back four were Valencia, Smalling, Jones and Young… sink about it
Who had Peak De Gea behind them
@@kitotapgono1467 That is true but still...
He asked for new cb and fullback which they all bought after he left. Clueless owners
That back 4 is more expensive than what Liverpool have now. Let that sink in.
@@joebarnes100 did he buy them ?
The media painted him as an Evil manager. His harsh management of some players and his playing style only helped their statement. We United fans will forever remember him as the one who succeeded in one of our worst eras. Thanks for winning 3 trophies in your first season with that squad. Truly a SPECIAL ONE.
A special one definitely. His man management is awful though, you can't lose a game and then in the post interview name and blame players individually and then expect them to respect you.
Real men did tho just look at the older heads mao would coach like in Porto Chelsea and Inter those guys accepted everything he said and improved. The new generation, my generation sadly are all pussys
@@ly7638 strange his best players take the absolute opposite of what you say
@@ly7638 It is just his style, very sink or swim, you either rise to prove his criticism wrong or leave. His best players love him and feel inspired to play for him in part because of his accountability, passion and demands. Unfortunately United for the past many years now has been full of players who would rather cry than give 100% for a full match. I am not a fan of Mourinho or United but he has been misjudged after less an ideal spells at spurs and United both of whom have owners who are intolerant to disagreements and hate managers who make reasonable demands. His way is not perfect but it has produced
@@ly7638 if the board backed him and got him the players he wanted not what the board thought was glamorous 1-2 more seasons and 100% he would have won the EPL & Champions league
They were blinded by star power pogba was not serious he screwed united they just finally replaced shoals and Carrick with Cassamero imagine that
Just look at artetta and Klop and pep all whom
Had the glazers backed him when he wanted to buy Koulibaly, Griezman, Perisic and Fabinho Mourinho would’ve taken United to greater heights.
Griezmann didn’t want to leave atleti after 16/17
He wouldn’t have taken them any higher
@@Conici_AU no, more like 2017/2018, that's why United bought Lukaku instead. Also he didn't want to leave because Atleti had a transfer ban then
How much would that transfer list cost at the time?
Give any manager players of that talent and costs and they will do well.
I was the owner, I wouldnt have backed him. He was playing defensive football that didnt yield results at the time of his sacking. There was also a toxic dressing room
Almost every manager has complained about owners not agreeing to sign the required players under Glazer ownership. Jose Mourinho was treated very harshly by our board. We United fans are thankful for his contribution and for bringing in Ibrahimovic for free.
Add Dalot
Even Fergie complained
ole did'nt, infac\t that puppet was praising the owners
Just pointing out, Sanchez was a Winter signing, not a summer one
I can’t believe they got that wrong
Tifo's lack of attention to detail has been shocking recently, for their standards at least
Ironically that's when it all started to go downhill from there
@@winterrising8738 actually. Martial through the left was going really good in December Jan and then Sanchez came in.
Another major issue Tifo seem to not consider is José aged up the squad significantly and heavily relied on individual moments of brilliance of the big buys. United barely had any patterns of play apart from who to target aerially
Mourinho is still for me a genius. People have short memories in football but some of his achievements. Such as winning a champions league with PORTO. Are nothing short of remarkable. One of the best to ever do it without doubt
True he was also very unlucky in both Chelsea and Madrid and his Inter UCL winning side was nothing short of Legendary
even winning the Conference league this year. people downplay it but its not like he won it with Chelsea or Real. he didnt go in there with a big club against these smaller clubs.
@@IASP17 He won a Mickey Mouse cup with a stacked Roma team relative to what they faced. Of course there's zero merit in that.
You guys done David Moyles dirty with that drawing of him. Jheez.
In 17/18, the maximum amount of goals that Manchester United conceded was 2
Do you mean in 1 game by game?, that's pretty good tbf
@@jean-paulwalters8855 his Chelsea team was even better conceding maximum of 1 g per game
Everybody tainted Mourinho until they saw Ole in shambles. Now everyone wonders how Mou did it. Thats the sign of a maestro.
In a few years we’ll probably be saying the same about Ole. Played in a far more competitive time in the prem too. That along with the fact he wasn’t a proven manager
@@TimTomJimJom Ole's tenure wasn't completely his fault. The players were lazy and demotivated and the board didnt care (still doesnt care). From a tactical standpoint and expectations I'll rate Mou higher than Ole. Lets see how history remembers them.
@@TimTomJimJom No they won't especially if Ten Hag wins a trophy this season and finishes with more points than him. If ETH finishes with more than 75 points and wins a trophy he's already exceeded what Ole did in 4 seasons.
Yes, I always thought they overachieved under Mourinho. I didn't think the players were good enough except De Gea who was so annoyingly good during those years that he should've been not only Best goalkeeper in the world but even at least nominated for best football player of the year. And it always seemed Mourinhos tactics and De Gea earned them points. They shouldn't have no business being in 2nd place or fighting for CL places.
- Liverpool fan
of course we have business being in those places xD
Y.N.W.A
It was certainly a dysfunctional squad and Jose Mourinho was able to get quite a bit out of them.
@@saiyerugara9038 2 seasons in, he should have had his team by then, he brought Bailly, Lindelof (didn't use them), Pogba, Matic (didn't get the best out of them), Lukaku, Ibrahimovic, Sanchez (his defensive tactics, isolated them, starving them of chances), inherited Rashford, Martial, De Gea (then best PL GK, under LVG),
@@jean-paulwalters8855 He at least won trophies though. I believe he's the only manager since Ferguson to win a domestic trophy, a European trophy and finish top 4. What's more, he had an 80+ point season as well.
ibrahimovic injury clearly effected the squad. he was not only striker, also the player who has been working long time together with mou and could handle players like pogba and lindgard.
The Man Utd board were a shambles. Chose players over the manager. Look at where those players are now. Man Utd gave him Fred and a young Dalot to bridge the gap to City after finishing 2nd. Mourinho maybe wouldn’t have won the league in his 3rd season or maybe he would have. But the Man Utd board never gave him the backing for us to ever know…
And by ronaldo and casem it still player over manager
He wanted those players 😂
@@magikarpsplashy nope he openly criticised that transfer window and numerous others during his time at Man Utd. All managers before him have all said the same thing. So I’d take there actual quotes over what you’re saying fella
@@xXxMrHashxXx a manager blames the players instead of himself? Quelle suprise!
So which players that we signed did he want? Just the ones that did well?
You probably believe him when he says he's still a top manager too 🤣
@@magikarpsplashy there’s no way you can say Mourinho or even you as a fan were happy with that transfer window of just adding Fred and Dalot was good enough…
Player power and horrible owners got Jose's downfall at UTD💯
And Levy at Spurs! Similar scenario.
@@silvb4952 And what just went down at Villa. Can't believe Unai joined them.
Good thing eth curb egonaldo
I’ll always respect Mourinho, he won us couple of trophies in one of our worst eras.
After Fergie, José was the best damn manager they had. They never appreciated José, never got the support he needed. He could’ve won the league with them
Best of a bad bad bunch, not that hard
I had a season ticket for Jose's whole tenure at United. I have to say there seemed to be as many bad days as there were good. 0-0 draws to Hull City and the like, but also beating Liverpool and Chelsea at home were fantastic
Aren't you the BT Sports Community section Poll Guy?
@@Victor_Trumper Yeah, the legend James Williams
Mourinho is one of the few managers who is only judged by his 'problematic third seasons', and the media forgets all the great, often remarkable things he often achieves in the first two seasons. Things that no one expects him to do, and was constantly written off. Mourinho's Real Madrid is one of the BEST teams I've ever seen in my life, even though they won most of their major things later on after his departure. It was a spellbinding counterattacking team, with some of the best players in the world working at the top of their game, and an unstoppable CR7.
The fact he got sacked for the happiness of players like Pogba and that Click still frustrates me. He should still be battling and rebuilding teams to go up against Pep and Klopp
Has Mourinho ever really rebuild teams, RM he inherited a beast squad, Chelsea, the same, then just sprinkled on a Drogba, Carvalho, Cech, and 2nd stint a Costa and Fabregas, he inherited an aging Inter team, that had legendary players like Vieira and Ibrahimovic, and a then generational RB Maicon, and brought in Sneijder, but he didn't rebuild the team really
@@jean-paulwalters8855 my friend, Mourinho at Inter was magic. Inter were failures in European competitions. He sold Ibra for Eto’o and bought Milito for pennies and he was World Class that season with Sneijder. That inter team was built with no budget, inter were financially broken. They were by no means a legendary side. Don’t forget buying Lucio as well for nothing. Not spending $70mil on a defender whenever he’d like.
@@adhambeydoun they'd won the UCL before he arrived tho, they also had prime Maicon, Eto'o, Sneijder, Cesar, in their 1st team, having players like that in your ranks, makes you, at least a garenteed UCL underdog to the United’s, Chelsea, Barca, Bayern, Real, at least
@@jean-paulwalters8855 Inter hadn't won the UCL since 1965 what are you talking about? Inter were defending Serie A champions when he arrived yes, but the team was average and those nugget signings like Milito, Lucio, Snjieder and Pandev was everything with Eto'o
@@adhambeydoun 1965, was before he arrived 🤦♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣, Lucio was also a Bayern Munich player before he arrived at Inter, Sneijder was playing for Real Madrid before he went to Inter, Eto'o was apart of the best ever club side/period in the world, wrongfully sold by Pep
Rojo and Jones patnership in the heart of defence was a pleasant surprise during Mourinho's era.
I remember Mourinho’s first 2 seasons were great. Lukaku was actually fit and he managed the LW Martial and Rashford swap perfectly. We were easily beating teams 4-0 and the clean sheets were his bread and butter. Add that we won trophies with a worse squad then what we have now and honestly Mourinho was our best manager after Ferguson. He was brutally honest and that’s why fans didn’t like him. ETH says the right things so now fans are all in love with him but in reality ETH just started and we need to relax. I don’t see ETH playing this possession style football like Pep which most fans claim. ETH has been doing the same counter attacking with individual brilliance. I’m willing to bet Mourinho’s Man United controlled games much better.
Yeah, ETH didnt play possesion game oriented like pep, but maybe because their squad not good enough,
@@tukiran3953The Ajax players are way better technical players than Man United players, he can't play possession football with the current players he has
That 3-2 win vs City has to go down as one of the all-time great managerial masterclasses
Don’t see how, we did deserve to lose that day. Great game and a great spectacle but we were outclassed if we are being honest
@@TimTomJimJom In the first half, absolutely. However, I think Mourinho set the team up really well in the second half to restrict the threat of City and actually get at them going forward too, getting Pogba forward well and combining with Sanchez. The thing with Pep's City is that they'll go 1-0 up and they could then tear anyone apart with how they exploit space in behind, but Mourinho didn't let that happen, and he did that against the City Centurions
Out of all post-Ferguson Era, Mourinho is definitely underrated and the media hates him for it. Man utd had Zlatan, Pogba, young Rashford Depay Lingard and Martial, Juan Mata, Schweinsteiger, Mktharyan, and Ander Herrera.
Though I knew we wouldn't even expect to be going far as willing PL Title or better yet winning that shield community cup. there was flareness and Mourinho style football in sensibility given that there was toxicity in the long run.
I remember United began that season quite well and the only points dropped was a 2-2 draw at Stoke.
Jose kept pace with City until early October. Matic and Lukaku looked like great buys, Martial was playing really well and Pogba at times resembled something of an £89 million player.
Then United went to Anfield and stank the place out by parking the bus to grind out an embarrassing nil - nil draw.
After that point the wheels fell off and the season tactically became absolute attrition until May. City pretty much won the title in early December when they beat United at Old Trafford and extended their lead in to double figures.
When not allowed to roam, like with France, pogba never looks like a world class player. He's like a baby deer, all legs.
Yep, people have short memories but even the first season we looked so awful and turgid in the league games. We barely ground out results against extremely poor opposition in the Europa league and Jose started prancing off claiming he'd won a "treble". I know that our board is full of tossers but I really did not care for the Mourinho era despite how hard he tried to sell himself as a martyr
It reminds me of Manuel Pellegrini's Real Madrid, he had one of the best campaigns in La Liga and even so, according to many, it went badly
In this order are the best managers…Ferguson, Mourinho, Wegner. Ferguson winning the league with a team that the next season was abysma as well as motivating players to give it their alll, Mourinho with mediocre teams winning a CL and beating FCB in their prime to take the European trophy and Wegner doing miraculous things with almost no money spent because he was paying back for the new stadium built. Unreal what those 3 did.
Ancelotti looking like🙃
@@Arcadious10 As good as Ancelotti is, most of his time has been spent beating farmers recently. I respected him more when he was the manager of Milan and Chelsea as back then the Italian league had 4 good teams as did the English League. Coaching Bayern and RM to titles always has been easy. Both are the biggest spenders in their respective leagues and SHOULD win their leagues. Yeah, he snagged some CL trophies but for me the order of trophy prestige and difficulty as of today is Premier League then the UCL. The UCL is won mostly by teams in farmers leagues as they don’t have to field their best squads on the Saturday before the UCL games unless they are playing perhaps the second place team in their league, thus they get to rest their best players and help them remain injury free or heal up. From top to bottom the PL is the strongest league.
It was insane how mourinho won us our last 2 trophies with Young , Valencia , Luka Shaw and Smalling. We also have an aging Rooney but we were playing pretty well. Mourinho is the chosen one fr
Yes, they were. The media just didn't like Jose.
The media don't like foreigners in general
😂 mourinho is a fraud
@@Irishatheist24 he's better than pep
@@Irishatheist24 best manager mate. Learn football
the media don't like United you mean .
"I, myself, because of my personality, made out that the training, the games and the job were all to win, win, win, and then, when I came to situations where it was very difficult to win, which for other coaches is something acceptable, in my case it was never enough."
The xG should give absolutely no indication about "best" unless you had xG per game and then assessed the theoretical points that would have been made at that level
Using xGD here is ridiculous.
EVERYONE knows that under Mourinho United (and other teams he's managed) would sit back after going 1-0 up and hence having a low xG
If he had better players at his disposal then they would have had a better xGD and been closer to City
And De Gea's 'overperfromance' was surely, in part, down to Mourinho's coaching and motivation.
Looking back I would say that the vast majority of the things Jose said were true, but he said them in the wrong way. The club's problems were far greater than Mourinho though. The entire system from top to bottom was a mess.
Mourinho's Manchester United team were half decent and his trophy haul and league finishes with them were impressive. However he's considered a failure because Manchester United fans can't accept anything other than premier league and champions league success. They were highly spoilt by the success of the Alex Ferguson era, which was still very fresh in the memory for them.
Ten Hag has done okay for them and is trying to rebuild the squad, but he'll soon go the same way as Mourinho as instant gratification will not have been gained.
Man won 3 trophies in his 1st season, and then went to another Cup final whilst finishing 2nd in his 2nd season. Crazy how that results in a sacking the next season.
Ah, I think you left out a lot of context there. There were signs at the end of the second season that the garden wasn't all roses. And it was abundantly clear he had lost control by December 2018.
Whether or not he was right to say / do whatever he did behind closed doors is almost irrelevant; managers job is: 1) to try and win 2) control the dressing room, and keep the team a team. The separate cliques that formed then carried into Ragnicks time, even if the personnel changed.
Owners aren't going to replace 24 hard to get players all at once, when they can quick fix it by sacking a manager & gradually shipping out troublemakers afterwards if they believe the manager was correct. Every manager needs to ensure for their own sake (and teams) that they don't put themselves in that position
I can well imagine there was blame on both sides for the team fracturing
@@ronanfitzpatrick1261 you're right I did gloss over many details lmao, but in the end he produced the most results out of all the post-Fergie managers. Hopefully ten Hag does good cause' United not being on top is always weird to me
It all went wrong with the signing of Sanchez. Upset the apple cart beyond what the squad could cope with having already got the Mourinho intensity in place. Otherwise it was going on nicely mid season before that. Then the start of next season the results fell off.
@@RazorTooths Agreed. Signs are there so far with Ten Haag. I think United are maybe 2 or 3 signings away from competing though (Ralf wasn't that far off with needing 10 signings in retrospect). Hopefully can challenge next year, more training and a few fresh faces - although I can see Liverpool, Arsenal and Newcastle all significantly strengthening too.
@@gm2407 It's funny how that happens, but makes sense in a way, when you think each team is just a small group of (mostly) young lads - in terms of attitude, or 11 highly interdependent players on the pitch - for cohesion, work rate etc
The many times his Manchester United side were expected to lose against man city, Tottenham, and Liverpool only to come away with a draw or a rigid win in his favor gave me and my lil bro headaches. It’s Jose Mourinho.
Charity Shield , UEFA Cup and EFL Cup. I would call it a success
the 16/17 season was better than 17/18 in terms of football played. Lack of cutting edge was why we finished 6th in 16/17.
People forgot how much pep spent that season
Yes! Mourinho's Manchester United Were Underrated! We won the Europa League Cup and the League Cup! And also we managed to finish 2nd in the league, with a terrible group of useless players. Considering how bad the team is and how bad they were playing before Mourinho took over. It is an impressive achievement that he managed to turn the club around. And set us on the right track! There was some major issues with players who were consistently underperforming though.
You think this current Manchester United team is bad?
The club took side with Pogba, Shaw etc. Turns out Pogba never met expectations. If the Special One talks, you should listen.
Even the fans wanted Mourinho out
Love the channel....but this time I disagree. Jose did the best with an average squad. All the players he criticized have not proven him wrong till today.
Thank you! He was spot on about all except MAYBE Luke Shaw
I think it's worth noting that of the Post-Ferguson Utd managers to manage more than 5 games, Mourinho had both the highest win% (barring Ten Hag who's got a small sample size) and the lowest loss% outright of all of them. in both cases only marginally worse off than Ferguson's records
He did a good job with an unbalanced, awkward squad.
The reason British media is still talking about this achievement and this man means it was a success.
I swear this guy leaves rent-free in the heads of these guys.
Don’t forget the Community Shield, as he told that touchline reporter after they won the Europa League. To be fair, I count it as a trophy, but there is no way to argue that this period was a success.
It’s for charity mate. Like counting the Audi cup or somthing
Depends how you define underrated? In terms of the success it had matching the quality, possibly. The 1st season it did really well, 6th was a bit of a false position, it was really unlucky in several PL games. 2nd season did alright, before Pogba's injury it was ticking very nicely & only started running out of steam towards the end (when they bought Sanchez, screwed up the attacking dynamics).
But overrated & underrated are determined by how people perceive things, and the amount of Mourinho fans who pump up that United job he did as something to illustrate his awesomeness has always been laughable. It was decent, if you pretend the 3rd season didn't exist, but he could've done MUCH better!
Perfect summary imo
So do you believe that united team was capable of winning the league or contending for the UCL or even winning it at that time? Because that's pretty much the only thing more he could've done with what he had. His time in united was no masterpiece but it's still very impressive that they accomplished so much. Especially considering talent wise they could be better now than they were before
@@kingrodney441 The problem is the success he had was scrapping the barrel. Southampton should've beaten them in the LC Final, were the better team by Mourinho's own admission. As impressive as they were in the Europa Final, Ajax were literally a team of teenagers - I think Ziyech was their oldest player in his mid 20's. Finishing 2nd looks nice but you have to factor in Conte wasn't on his game (unfocussed/wanted out of Chelsea) & Wenger/Arsenal were a total non-factor, so the only significant competition for that spot was a Liverpool team still brewing away but not complete & an excellent but mentally weak Spurs burdened with playing at Wembley - pretty good, but not outstanding.
He did nothing there that left a big impression, it just kinda happened. The deserved CL exit vs. Sevilla was a big downer on the whole job, if they'd have got to the quarters/semis & they'd gone out putting up a good fight I think many people's perceptions of the job he did would've been a bit more positive.
@@HHHBFResurrected you know how spoiled you are as a fan to call 2 trophies, one being a European trophy, not that impressive and something that kinda happened. A spurs or Leicester fan who had those trophies wouldn't dare call it something that kinda happened. I know united had dominated the 20 years prior to that but winning 1 trophy isn't something to take for granted let alone 2. I agree he could have done more but even a man city fan would say 2 trophies in one year is something to remember
@@kingrodney441 When you set the bar the way Mourinho does, managing the teams Mourinho does, trophies are an expectation. Most people would agree Pochettino did a FARRRRR better job at Spurs than Mourinho did a United for example, the lack of trophies is complete irrelevant to that.
81 points was the highest they've had in years since and previously. They maybe lucked into a few extra points than they usually get, due to phenomenal individual players like Pogba. 81 is not enough to win a Premier league title.
*Claudio Ranieri has entered the chat*
He also reached a FA Cup Final and Manchester United played better than Chelsea on that game.
With Mou, United was always on Champions, even in his third season and later being fired, he was able to take the team to the knockout stage of Champions. Van Gaal and Ole fail to do that, well Ole beat PSG.
Prime De Gea happened
2024 and what I wouldn't give for those 2 trophies and 2nd place finish in an Era where our strikers (Rashy, Jadon, Hojlund, Antony, and Martial) combined have 8 goals, and the best player is an 18 year old. We are out of UCL in what could be the easiest group for any Top 5 team, we are 7th in table with 9 losses, out of EFL Cup, and netting just 2 goals against Wigan Atheltic. We literally drew and lost to the like of FC Copenhagen and Galatrasay, we are losing to Notts, West Ham, Bournemouth, Newcastle, Crystal Palace, and Brighton. We are terrible.
Mourinho can never be overrated! Ratings can never go high enough for Mourinho! Respect! Respect!
Didn't Sir Alex take about seven years to win his first title? Should've given Mourinho time.
So true.
Mourinho did the best possible job with some of the poor player he had. I've always believed that. He wasn't supported by the board. He finished second and then was told to do better without being given the financial backing.
I’ve seen Manchester City do things that’ll never ever be repeated. What Mourinho did with Manchester United is the greatest achievement of my lifetime.
Love the man! I think unlike Ole he wasn't backed up by the board enough when they didn't even get him a CB and got Ole one in the face of Maguire
Eric Bailly and Victor Lindelof were both bought under Mou… not sure what your definition of a cb is
He got Bailly and lindelof. The cb he wanted was aldeweireld who the very next season went to play to Belgium
We signed Lukaku without signing Perisic. United didn't sign Sanchez till January and they lost a lot of momentum. Look at the pre-January numbers. I wonder what about signing Sanchez on treble to double what everyone else was on upset the dressing room 🤔
Great summary and information presented here 💯
I love the artwork. 'David Moyes' looks much more like Marty Feldman.
We signed Sanchez in the winter not summer
And that triggered a series of downward spiral after that. I feel missing out that context is key
Bring Jose Mourinho back please
Plz Man Utd, do not do the same mistake u did with Mourinho on Ten Hag. Plz give him time, patience and plenty of backing. He’ll turn this club into a great club. Trust him!
One video on how pep guardiola was bought to city and spend millions and hasn't won champions league specifically in his last 4 season or so
Dunno why Jose doesn't last more than 4 seasons in a club in one period. His sacking by ManU and Spurs were outrageous, especially by Levy who sacked him prior to Cup Final match, which is dumb.
they had the easiest route to europa league final ever. but i did think the season after their 2nd place finish they would be real contenders. they seemed to buy only players with bad attitudes though
The problem was with the players not with Mourinho. For me in 2017/18 he overachieved with that squad.
The problem with Mourinho is his interviews and antics on the touchline are more entertaining than the football his teams produce on the pitch.
Looking at Manchester United, it's clear the problem hasn't been the managers but the decision makers in the boardroom with zero football knowledge, only chasing commercial deals. Hopefully things will turn around soon enough.
1:14 can we just appreciate the ART
actually I feel this first season was the best under Jose Although we were 6th . the Only problem was we have too many frustrating 1:1 / 0:0 draw , and the ref was very biased to us . In the half way of the season they have 6/7 penalties not given by the ref . I guess that's a part of Mourinho's problems with the ref in premier league .
Not being bad, but my brother in law (Madrid fan) and two friends (Chelsea, Spurs) all said the same thing about refereeing decisions in Joses first 8 months at their clubs (as did I at the time with United).
My mates & I now call it the Mourinho Effect.
If you go back and look at the decisions and compare the decisions to those for other teams, both for & against, it'll be more like 2-3 excess decisions tops - every team was getting bad decisions back then (arguably even now), it's why they brought in VAR.
Jose just has a way of mixing in enough truth to convince you that yes, the world is in fact out to get your club.
Bloody xG again.
I played a Football Manager network save with a friend. We managed for five seasons. Almost every season, my team would finish level or above their position in the xG table, and almost every season his team would finish level or below. At first he put it down to luck, then eventually he asked why I thought it was happening so consistently. I'll say here what I said to him;
"It's about who the chances fall to."
Mourinho's team was underrated in retrospect but how he treated Schweinsteiger during that time is unforgivable
His football was largely unsustainable in a period where the next crop of elite coaches like Pep and Klopp came into the league. In 17/18 like the video states, they were fortunate to come 2nd. Overall from a rival fan’s perspective, his time at the club wasn’t great and has been overrated by those who look back with fondness. When he said it was his greatest achievement to finish 2nd, he’s missing the caveat in that they overperformed greatly due to De Gea having by far his best ever season
So credit can't be given to Mourinho, it can only be given to De Gea as to why United actually achieved what they did that season?...
De Gea made all the subs too lol
@@Timbone07 clearly coz according to people who think like this, Mourinho did nothing let alone anything valuable, smart and strategic to take United to where they ended up being.😂😂
Abdul, since you don't want to give credit to José, then atleast give credit to the Goalkeeper coach who was part of his staff 🤷♂️🤷♂️😂😂😂
@@seannkomo Haha, it's pretty pathetic.
He even won a trophy this year.
I don't get why they are making themselves look stupid.
Their favorites like Potter and Ten Hag are getting beat by 4 goals when they have better squads.
Roma spent 7 million this window and people say he is failing for being top 4.
What a joke lol
Superb video!
They're correctly rated. Probably the most effective United team of the post-ferguson era and its right that in the light of solskjaer and rangnick's failures that they have been reappraised but at the same time they really werent a team who deserved to win the league, or to be considered great. While Mourinho was right that he probably never had a midfield capable of winning the league in his time there - he also arguably got the most of the players and support he wanted from the glazers of any post fergie manager, he wasnt exactly scrounging the bargain bin, he had a stronger team than Solskjaer and Rangnick
United got knocked out of the Champions League group stage and ended up bottom of the group on the 12/12/2023. If this doesn't prove Mourinho was underrated at United nothing will. Football Heritage I think he said.
Yup
Best footy channel of all time. Underrated.
They should have got him Perisic when he asked for him, & Though United finished 19 pts behind City, we were competing against a centurion team, which is very difficult mentally. It was still really good year with Rashford dunking over Trent XD
Only time United got over 80 points since SAF.
He did the job despite bad situations. No excuses. Eventually he gave in but left with a legacy. Let’s see Ten Hagg can fill his shoes
in Italy we say that "The time is a gentleman"
Jose was correct the fans were wrong!! United should apologise to him.
That's like choosing an average team in carrier mode and playing on legendary lvl. You finish 2nd is great achievement
people back then still live in SAF era and hasn't realize how far they've been behind
Mourinho would have won that 17/81 PL if City didn't cheat with their FFP in the last 10 years
Mourinho has continued to prove, time and time again, that he is one of the greatest managers ever. He's won everywhere... except Tottenham. But that doesn't count because Tottenham are allergic to trophies and would need immediate medical attention if they let him play that final before sacking him
can't believe he was there for 3 years thats mad
I had genuinely forgot we finished 6 in his first season because of the two trophies.
Let’s cut to the chase! I’m tired of these lies. that season was overrated and we expected to challenge for the title. We had a Pogba who was still looking promising, Lukaku who was a top striker at the time, young talents in Martial and rashford. Alexis Sanchez who was world class literally before he put the United shirt on. Mkhitaryan who had crazy assist numbers from bundesliga. Juan Mata, who was ageing but still considered s top playmaker. A Matic who was huge in winning the PL for Chelsea the season before. Valencia, a very underrated RB. De Gea, probably the best keeper itw that time.
You guys say that’s a weak team?? Such a misconstrued idea which keeps getting lied to over and over again for no reason by ppl who aren’t even United fans! It’s so infuriating cuz I know it’s purposeful. Everyone hates United and mourinho fits that rhetoric “United bad, manager exposes bad”. Closing your eyes to the fact that his football is outdated which is why he’s at Roma and most likely would never get another big job offer 🙊. But we’re not allowed to admit that right? Lol.
Obviously that team in today’s game wouldn’t survive but at the time it was considered strong.
It was underrated because Pep existed. His City are just a different level
This! Liverpool would have cruised to 4/5 prem titles if peps Man City didnt exist and mourinhos Man U would have won the title that year
Yep, unfortunately that was the season City went supreme extreme and won 100 points. Ridiculous.
Because City bought Pep every payer that he wanted
Can we please get a video talking about VICENTE DEL BOSQUE already he is the original Carlo Ancelloti meets Arrigo Sachi
Could you do a vid on why west ham aren't clicking like last season? What's changed?
We was hard to break down and solid in a block. That's a since off good coaching
I mean so was Burnley under dych
@@TimTomJimJom good coaching
Where's your video on the centurions?
Didn’t Shaw get his leg broken and zlatan get a long term injury which basically nixed him from any future in the team
Ole's Man United were underrated, for sure!! He actually built a team tht could sustain ( you can see from ETH's dependables) unlike that of Jose. Imagine if any team can boast a record of going undefeated away from home like 50 games at a stretch! Basically it like saying, you are a visitor in your own stadium when Man United arrives.
No fans in the ground tho, does help when your playing in empty stadiums
@@jean-paulwalters8855 He carried that form on, even when fans had arrived, like smashing Man City at Eithad in both the games.
No trophies for Ole and Ten Haag is already replacing his favorites so not a real sustainable team he built
@@bdt5096 Rashford is replaced, Bruno isnt replaced, neither is Sancho. Dont see Maguire getting replaced, only benched because of lack of confidence which once he regains (looks very tedious considering the crucifixion he gets) he will also be part of backbone of that team. Barring Maguire since he is already 30, i dont see anyone else being dropped. And i dont count not winning a title as a criteria, people crucified Jose even when he won titles for his terrible football and glorified Klopp even when he was winning nothing. Ole was just short of one CDM to have his team ready (Matic was ageing).
@@sudharshanve8519 Ole was incompetent. Stop running this agenda that his team was underrated. He spent 400m and the team didn't get any better from when Mourinho was there.
Ole had 6 transfer windows to sign a midfielder and didn't do it. ETH signed 3 midfielders in his first two transfer windows and dumped McFred. He also got rid of Ronaldo and relegated Maguire to a squad player. ETH has also experimented with the players to get the best out of them, trying Shaw at centreback, Lindelof at CDM, Fernandes out wide, Sancho as a number 10... Ole just played a cookie cutter formation 4-2-3-1 every match, except against the big sides in his first season where he played 3 at the back and parked the bus against City and Liverpool. ETH never changed his formation because of the opponents. Because he has a style of football