"If I tell you that I consider one of the best jobs of my career was to finish second with Man United in the Premier League, you will say, 'this guy is crazy,'" - Mou
I mean, no one would have thought that Manchester United had a chance to even finish on top 2. Overall, it's a top 6 squad plus Fred, young and reckless McTorminay, and Jones as the Achilles heels.
But also that season he reached 81 points. Nobody since Ferguson to this day reached 81 points at united. That season he beat man city away. Chelsea at home. Arsenal twice. Liverpool at home and tottenham twice. He finished ahead of Conte and klopp who had a much better squad
Okay but can we at least acknowledge that he wanted to sign HARRY MAGUIRE? He was actually mad he didn't! And he spent 150 million of that 400 million on Pogba and Fred!
@@saltpeter500 he made 1 good save. The 40 yard shot from rice a goalie would expect to save. It’s just the media pushing the narrative that de gea saved united. In reality united should have been 3-0 up in the first half
Yes. Jose won them their last two titles, got them to another cup final AND was responsible for the best campaign in the Premier League since Sir Alex - by far. United ended the 2017-18 in second place, ahead of Conte´s Chelsea, Klopp´s Liverpool and Poch´s Spurs - not to mention Arsenal. Respect, man. Respect.
Meanwhile Ole finished above Lampard's Chelsea (another rookie), a Spurs team past their cycle that was constantly changing managers, an injury-ridden Liverpool and an Arsenal team rebuilding under a rookie manager.
If I remember correctly, the 2nd season we looked quite good and really well organised, but by his last season the attacking play was rigid and completely ineffectual. He also oversaw some terrible signings. Looking back though, I think he was probably the best of the post-Ferguson managers.
@@HenSt-gz7qj Perhaps. I don't think anybody definitively knows which signings he wanted and which ones he didn't. Pure conjecture really. It may have been an impossible situation for him.
I thought he did very well in his first two seasons. He was criminally underrated in my opinion. People get too caught up in paper talk and media hype - but in the real world, to finish top 6 and win the League Cup and Europa League in his first season was impressive, and then to go on to finish 2nd and comfortably top 4 was very good with what he had.
He got job done but boringly. Sometime i watched united's game but never could under Mourinho. If you're not United fan, u won't watch his boring tactics
@@aakarmamtora3470 incorrect, wasn’t backed at Sprurs while asking for signings, and still managed to reach a final, using Chelsea and blaming the manager for sacking is lying to yourself to sound right. It’s literally the way chelsea found success, by sacking managers and signing new ones. At United he reach finals, got top 4 and top 2, won 2 cups. He is a woldclass manager, the only one whom could defeat pep against peps BEST team ever, not only once but twice. History looks at your sentence and laughs at it
Mourinho is overated he is good manager and made success in the past but now his unaffected and limited tactics just not working all the Time with modern football other managers progres like pep or klopp and Carlo anceloti .....
@@dopargom6944 Personally, i wouldn't call ancelotti's tactics modern, even from a real madrid fan. Though i would love to understand your perspective, what is modern football and how Ancelotti fit that criteria?
@@whittar Fairly sure Mourinho was free spending while at Chelsea in his second stint, and at United. It wasn't like he didn't have access to money (although admittedly City were better run so did more with their cash). Spurs and Roma came layer.
@@dopargom6944 you're comparing pep who manages city or bayern and has unlimited funds and DESTINED to win and be great no matter who's the coach against mourinho who's in small clubs with limited funds like roma or spurs. LOL. Pretty sure pep's the one who's overrated here.
The media painted him as an Evil manager. His harsh management of some players and his playing style only helped their statement. We United fans will forever remember him as the one who succeeded in one of our worst eras. Thanks for winning 3 trophies in your first season with that squad. Truly a SPECIAL ONE.
A special one definitely. His man management is awful though, you can't lose a game and then in the post interview name and blame players individually and then expect them to respect you.
Real men did tho just look at the older heads mao would coach like in Porto Chelsea and Inter those guys accepted everything he said and improved. The new generation, my generation sadly are all pussys
@@ly7638 It is just his style, very sink or swim, you either rise to prove his criticism wrong or leave. His best players love him and feel inspired to play for him in part because of his accountability, passion and demands. Unfortunately United for the past many years now has been full of players who would rather cry than give 100% for a full match. I am not a fan of Mourinho or United but he has been misjudged after less an ideal spells at spurs and United both of whom have owners who are intolerant to disagreements and hate managers who make reasonable demands. His way is not perfect but it has produced
@@ly7638 if the board backed him and got him the players he wanted not what the board thought was glamorous 1-2 more seasons and 100% he would have won the EPL & Champions league They were blinded by star power pogba was not serious he screwed united they just finally replaced shoals and Carrick with Cassamero imagine that Just look at artetta and Klop and pep all whom
I was the owner, I wouldnt have backed him. He was playing defensive football that didnt yield results at the time of his sacking. There was also a toxic dressing room
Almost every manager has complained about owners not agreeing to sign the required players under Glazer ownership. Jose Mourinho was treated very harshly by our board. We United fans are thankful for his contribution and for bringing in Ibrahimovic for free.
Another major issue Tifo seem to not consider is José aged up the squad significantly and heavily relied on individual moments of brilliance of the big buys. United barely had any patterns of play apart from who to target aerially
Mourinho is still for me a genius. People have short memories in football but some of his achievements. Such as winning a champions league with PORTO. Are nothing short of remarkable. One of the best to ever do it without doubt
even winning the Conference league this year. people downplay it but its not like he won it with Chelsea or Real. he didnt go in there with a big club against these smaller clubs.
Yes, I always thought they overachieved under Mourinho. I didn't think the players were good enough except De Gea who was so annoyingly good during those years that he should've been not only Best goalkeeper in the world but even at least nominated for best football player of the year. And it always seemed Mourinhos tactics and De Gea earned them points. They shouldn't have no business being in 2nd place or fighting for CL places. - Liverpool fan
@@saiyerugara9038 2 seasons in, he should have had his team by then, he brought Bailly, Lindelof (didn't use them), Pogba, Matic (didn't get the best out of them), Lukaku, Ibrahimovic, Sanchez (his defensive tactics, isolated them, starving them of chances), inherited Rashford, Martial, De Gea (then best PL GK, under LVG),
@@jean-paulwalters8855 He at least won trophies though. I believe he's the only manager since Ferguson to win a domestic trophy, a European trophy and finish top 4. What's more, he had an 80+ point season as well.
ibrahimovic injury clearly effected the squad. he was not only striker, also the player who has been working long time together with mou and could handle players like pogba and lindgard.
The Man Utd board were a shambles. Chose players over the manager. Look at where those players are now. Man Utd gave him Fred and a young Dalot to bridge the gap to City after finishing 2nd. Mourinho maybe wouldn’t have won the league in his 3rd season or maybe he would have. But the Man Utd board never gave him the backing for us to ever know…
@@magikarpsplashy nope he openly criticised that transfer window and numerous others during his time at Man Utd. All managers before him have all said the same thing. So I’d take there actual quotes over what you’re saying fella
@@xXxMrHashxXx a manager blames the players instead of himself? Quelle suprise! So which players that we signed did he want? Just the ones that did well? You probably believe him when he says he's still a top manager too 🤣
@@magikarpsplashy there’s no way you can say Mourinho or even you as a fan were happy with that transfer window of just adding Fred and Dalot was good enough…
In a few years we’ll probably be saying the same about Ole. Played in a far more competitive time in the prem too. That along with the fact he wasn’t a proven manager
@@TimTomJimJom Ole's tenure wasn't completely his fault. The players were lazy and demotivated and the board didnt care (still doesnt care). From a tactical standpoint and expectations I'll rate Mou higher than Ole. Lets see how history remembers them.
@@TimTomJimJom No they won't especially if Ten Hag wins a trophy this season and finishes with more points than him. If ETH finishes with more than 75 points and wins a trophy he's already exceeded what Ole did in 4 seasons.
@@pezcaminando9236 Well he finished with 75 points in his first season, which was more than Ole with 74 points in his peak season. I just should have clarified "75 points or more". ETH already exceeded Ole's legacy as a manager, despite his obvious lack of durability.
Mourinho is one of the few managers who is only judged by his 'problematic third seasons', and the media forgets all the great, often remarkable things he often achieves in the first two seasons. Things that no one expects him to do, and was constantly written off. Mourinho's Real Madrid is one of the BEST teams I've ever seen in my life, even though they won most of their major things later on after his departure. It was a spellbinding counterattacking team, with some of the best players in the world working at the top of their game, and an unstoppable CR7.
After Fergie, José was the best damn manager they had. They never appreciated José, never got the support he needed. He could’ve won the league with them
I had a season ticket for Jose's whole tenure at United. I have to say there seemed to be as many bad days as there were good. 0-0 draws to Hull City and the like, but also beating Liverpool and Chelsea at home were fantastic
I remember Mourinho’s first 2 seasons were great. Lukaku was actually fit and he managed the LW Martial and Rashford swap perfectly. We were easily beating teams 4-0 and the clean sheets were his bread and butter. Add that we won trophies with a worse squad then what we have now and honestly Mourinho was our best manager after Ferguson. He was brutally honest and that’s why fans didn’t like him. ETH says the right things so now fans are all in love with him but in reality ETH just started and we need to relax. I don’t see ETH playing this possession style football like Pep which most fans claim. ETH has been doing the same counter attacking with individual brilliance. I’m willing to bet Mourinho’s Man United controlled games much better.
@@tukiran3953The Ajax players are way better technical players than Man United players, he can't play possession football with the current players he has
The fact he got sacked for the happiness of players like Pogba and that Click still frustrates me. He should still be battling and rebuilding teams to go up against Pep and Klopp
Has Mourinho ever really rebuild teams, RM he inherited a beast squad, Chelsea, the same, then just sprinkled on a Drogba, Carvalho, Cech, and 2nd stint a Costa and Fabregas, he inherited an aging Inter team, that had legendary players like Vieira and Ibrahimovic, and a then generational RB Maicon, and brought in Sneijder, but he didn't rebuild the team really
@@jean-paulwalters8855 my friend, Mourinho at Inter was magic. Inter were failures in European competitions. He sold Ibra for Eto’o and bought Milito for pennies and he was World Class that season with Sneijder. That inter team was built with no budget, inter were financially broken. They were by no means a legendary side. Don’t forget buying Lucio as well for nothing. Not spending $70mil on a defender whenever he’d like.
@@adhambeydoun they'd won the UCL before he arrived tho, they also had prime Maicon, Eto'o, Sneijder, Cesar, in their 1st team, having players like that in your ranks, makes you, at least a garenteed UCL underdog to the United’s, Chelsea, Barca, Bayern, Real, at least
@@jean-paulwalters8855 Inter hadn't won the UCL since 1965 what are you talking about? Inter were defending Serie A champions when he arrived yes, but the team was average and those nugget signings like Milito, Lucio, Snjieder and Pandev was everything with Eto'o
@@adhambeydoun 1965, was before he arrived 🤦♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣, Lucio was also a Bayern Munich player before he arrived at Inter, Sneijder was playing for Real Madrid before he went to Inter, Eto'o was apart of the best ever club side/period in the world, wrongfully sold by Pep
2024 and what I wouldn't give for those 2 trophies and 2nd place finish in an Era where our strikers (Rashy, Jadon, Hojlund, Antony, and Martial) combined have 8 goals, and the best player is an 18 year old. We are out of UCL in what could be the easiest group for any Top 5 team, we are 7th in table with 9 losses, out of EFL Cup, and netting just 2 goals against Wigan Atheltic. We literally drew and lost to the like of FC Copenhagen and Galatrasay, we are losing to Notts, West Ham, Bournemouth, Newcastle, Crystal Palace, and Brighton. We are terrible.
@@TimTomJimJom In the first half, absolutely. However, I think Mourinho set the team up really well in the second half to restrict the threat of City and actually get at them going forward too, getting Pogba forward well and combining with Sanchez. The thing with Pep's City is that they'll go 1-0 up and they could then tear anyone apart with how they exploit space in behind, but Mourinho didn't let that happen, and he did that against the City Centurions
Out of all post-Ferguson Era, Mourinho is definitely underrated and the media hates him for it. Man utd had Zlatan, Pogba, young Rashford Depay Lingard and Martial, Juan Mata, Schweinsteiger, Mktharyan, and Ander Herrera. Though I knew we wouldn't even expect to be going far as willing PL Title or better yet winning that shield community cup. there was flareness and Mourinho style football in sensibility given that there was toxicity in the long run.
It was insane how mourinho won us our last 2 trophies with Young , Valencia , Luka Shaw and Smalling. We also have an aging Rooney but we were playing pretty well. Mourinho is the chosen one fr
In this order are the best managers…Ferguson, Mourinho, Wegner. Ferguson winning the league with a team that the next season was abysma as well as motivating players to give it their alll, Mourinho with mediocre teams winning a CL and beating FCB in their prime to take the European trophy and Wegner doing miraculous things with almost no money spent because he was paying back for the new stadium built. Unreal what those 3 did.
@@Arcadious10 As good as Ancelotti is, most of his time has been spent beating farmers recently. I respected him more when he was the manager of Milan and Chelsea as back then the Italian league had 4 good teams as did the English League. Coaching Bayern and RM to titles always has been easy. Both are the biggest spenders in their respective leagues and SHOULD win their leagues. Yeah, he snagged some CL trophies but for me the order of trophy prestige and difficulty as of today is Premier League then the UCL. The UCL is won mostly by teams in farmers leagues as they don’t have to field their best squads on the Saturday before the UCL games unless they are playing perhaps the second place team in their league, thus they get to rest their best players and help them remain injury free or heal up. From top to bottom the PL is the strongest league.
I remember United began that season quite well and the only points dropped was a 2-2 draw at Stoke. Jose kept pace with City until early October. Matic and Lukaku looked like great buys, Martial was playing really well and Pogba at times resembled something of an £89 million player. Then United went to Anfield and stank the place out by parking the bus to grind out an embarrassing nil - nil draw. After that point the wheels fell off and the season tactically became absolute attrition until May. City pretty much won the title in early December when they beat United at Old Trafford and extended their lead in to double figures.
Yep, people have short memories but even the first season we looked so awful and turgid in the league games. We barely ground out results against extremely poor opposition in the Europa league and Jose started prancing off claiming he'd won a "treble". I know that our board is full of tossers but I really did not care for the Mourinho era despite how hard he tried to sell himself as a martyr
The xG should give absolutely no indication about "best" unless you had xG per game and then assessed the theoretical points that would have been made at that level
"I, myself, because of my personality, made out that the training, the games and the job were all to win, win, win, and then, when I came to situations where it was very difficult to win, which for other coaches is something acceptable, in my case it was never enough."
The reason British media is still talking about this achievement and this man means it was a success. I swear this guy leaves rent-free in the heads of these guys.
Looking back I would say that the vast majority of the things Jose said were true, but he said them in the wrong way. The club's problems were far greater than Mourinho though. The entire system from top to bottom was a mess.
Using xGD here is ridiculous. EVERYONE knows that under Mourinho United (and other teams he's managed) would sit back after going 1-0 up and hence having a low xG If he had better players at his disposal then they would have had a better xGD and been closer to City And De Gea's 'overperfromance' was surely, in part, down to Mourinho's coaching and motivation.
Mourinho wanted a centre half - like Maguire. The Man U board did not buy him the players he needed. Mourinho did well to get Man U to second, given the ageing players and lack of support from the board. After Mourinho left , Man U did buy Maguire , but paid too much.
Saying that the expected goals would drop them down to nth in the table and using it as an argument that he didn't actually earn that place is illogical. Coaching is also about getting players to outperform and that's exactly what they did.
The many times his Manchester United side were expected to lose against man city, Tottenham, and Liverpool only to come away with a draw or a rigid win in his favor gave me and my lil bro headaches. It’s Jose Mourinho.
Don’t forget the Community Shield, as he told that touchline reporter after they won the Europa League. To be fair, I count it as a trophy, but there is no way to argue that this period was a success.
81 points was the highest they've had in years since and previously. They maybe lucked into a few extra points than they usually get, due to phenomenal individual players like Pogba. 81 is not enough to win a Premier league title.
United got knocked out of the Champions League group stage and ended up bottom of the group on the 12/12/2023. If this doesn't prove Mourinho was underrated at United nothing will. Football Heritage I think he said.
Yes! Mourinho's Manchester United Were Underrated! We won the Europa League Cup and the League Cup! And also we managed to finish 2nd in the league, with a terrible group of useless players. Considering how bad the team is and how bad they were playing before Mourinho took over. It is an impressive achievement that he managed to turn the club around. And set us on the right track! There was some major issues with players who were consistently underperforming though.
Man won 3 trophies in his 1st season, and then went to another Cup final whilst finishing 2nd in his 2nd season. Crazy how that results in a sacking the next season.
Ah, I think you left out a lot of context there. There were signs at the end of the second season that the garden wasn't all roses. And it was abundantly clear he had lost control by December 2018. Whether or not he was right to say / do whatever he did behind closed doors is almost irrelevant; managers job is: 1) to try and win 2) control the dressing room, and keep the team a team. The separate cliques that formed then carried into Ragnicks time, even if the personnel changed. Owners aren't going to replace 24 hard to get players all at once, when they can quick fix it by sacking a manager & gradually shipping out troublemakers afterwards if they believe the manager was correct. Every manager needs to ensure for their own sake (and teams) that they don't put themselves in that position I can well imagine there was blame on both sides for the team fracturing
@@ronanfitzpatrick1261 you're right I did gloss over many details lmao, but in the end he produced the most results out of all the post-Fergie managers. Hopefully ten Hag does good cause' United not being on top is always weird to me
It all went wrong with the signing of Sanchez. Upset the apple cart beyond what the squad could cope with having already got the Mourinho intensity in place. Otherwise it was going on nicely mid season before that. Then the start of next season the results fell off.
@@RazorTooths Agreed. Signs are there so far with Ten Haag. I think United are maybe 2 or 3 signings away from competing though (Ralf wasn't that far off with needing 10 signings in retrospect). Hopefully can challenge next year, more training and a few fresh faces - although I can see Liverpool, Arsenal and Newcastle all significantly strengthening too.
@@gm2407 It's funny how that happens, but makes sense in a way, when you think each team is just a small group of (mostly) young lads - in terms of attitude, or 11 highly interdependent players on the pitch - for cohesion, work rate etc
Plz Man Utd, do not do the same mistake u did with Mourinho on Ten Hag. Plz give him time, patience and plenty of backing. He’ll turn this club into a great club. Trust him!
Mourinho did the best possible job with some of the poor player he had. I've always believed that. He wasn't supported by the board. He finished second and then was told to do better without being given the financial backing.
I think it's worth noting that of the Post-Ferguson Utd managers to manage more than 5 games, Mourinho had both the highest win% (barring Ten Hag who's got a small sample size) and the lowest loss% outright of all of them. in both cases only marginally worse off than Ferguson's records He did a good job with an unbalanced, awkward squad.
Dunno why Jose doesn't last more than 4 seasons in a club in one period. His sacking by ManU and Spurs were outrageous, especially by Levy who sacked him prior to Cup Final match, which is dumb.
He also reached a FA Cup Final and Manchester United played better than Chelsea on that game. With Mou, United was always on Champions, even in his third season and later being fired, he was able to take the team to the knockout stage of Champions. Van Gaal and Ole fail to do that, well Ole beat PSG.
Looking at Manchester United, it's clear the problem hasn't been the managers but the decision makers in the boardroom with zero football knowledge, only chasing commercial deals. Hopefully things will turn around soon enough.
they had the easiest route to europa league final ever. but i did think the season after their 2nd place finish they would be real contenders. they seemed to buy only players with bad attitudes though
It's a shame for Mourinho that something in his psyche flips in the 3rd season. When the noted improvement tails off and the end of season 2, usually and again noted after winning a trophy, he just can't keep the ball rolling. Sustained improvement requires a sound analysis of where games are being drawn or lost, and a desire to improve players technically and tactically. Mourinho can't do that. His main strength is to Foster a 'them against us' attitude, which works when you're not expected to necessarily win. The 2nd place finish should have been a great platform to make the next step, but that was the problem. With United expected to win, Mourinho ran out of excuses and started blaming the players. The fall outs with Shaw and Pogba were not inevitable and should have been resolved. United have churned through the 1.4 billion worth of enough talent to two have won the league. You can argue that it has been a lack of structure but when it comes down to it, Mourinho had one of the best jobs in football and blew it. Somewhere within the head of Mourinho is an elite coach but his ego can't let it out.
Depends how you define underrated? In terms of the success it had matching the quality, possibly. The 1st season it did really well, 6th was a bit of a false position, it was really unlucky in several PL games. 2nd season did alright, before Pogba's injury it was ticking very nicely & only started running out of steam towards the end (when they bought Sanchez, screwed up the attacking dynamics). But overrated & underrated are determined by how people perceive things, and the amount of Mourinho fans who pump up that United job he did as something to illustrate his awesomeness has always been laughable. It was decent, if you pretend the 3rd season didn't exist, but he could've done MUCH better!
So do you believe that united team was capable of winning the league or contending for the UCL or even winning it at that time? Because that's pretty much the only thing more he could've done with what he had. His time in united was no masterpiece but it's still very impressive that they accomplished so much. Especially considering talent wise they could be better now than they were before
@@kingrodney441 The problem is the success he had was scrapping the barrel. Southampton should've beaten them in the LC Final, were the better team by Mourinho's own admission. As impressive as they were in the Europa Final, Ajax were literally a team of teenagers - I think Ziyech was their oldest player in his mid 20's. Finishing 2nd looks nice but you have to factor in Conte wasn't on his game (unfocussed/wanted out of Chelsea) & Wenger/Arsenal were a total non-factor, so the only significant competition for that spot was a Liverpool team still brewing away but not complete & an excellent but mentally weak Spurs burdened with playing at Wembley - pretty good, but not outstanding. He did nothing there that left a big impression, it just kinda happened. The deserved CL exit vs. Sevilla was a big downer on the whole job, if they'd have got to the quarters/semis & they'd gone out putting up a good fight I think many people's perceptions of the job he did would've been a bit more positive.
@@HHHBFResurrected you know how spoiled you are as a fan to call 2 trophies, one being a European trophy, not that impressive and something that kinda happened. A spurs or Leicester fan who had those trophies wouldn't dare call it something that kinda happened. I know united had dominated the 20 years prior to that but winning 1 trophy isn't something to take for granted let alone 2. I agree he could have done more but even a man city fan would say 2 trophies in one year is something to remember
@@kingrodney441 When you set the bar the way Mourinho does, managing the teams Mourinho does, trophies are an expectation. Most people would agree Pochettino did a FARRRRR better job at Spurs than Mourinho did a United for example, the lack of trophies is complete irrelevant to that.
I love the fact that people say that winning a league cup and europa league in one season is not good enough for united. Shows they still see as us the biggest
Then Ole's time was also underrated. He finished second 🥈 behind city Finished back to back champions league spot. He got to the Europa league final He went a season unbeaten away from home. Built a team playing good for him which some developed under him. Ole was just unlucky not to have laid his hands on atleast the Europa league trophy 🏆. I still wish him the best of luck.
Agree. Ole was brought in to steady the ship after Mourinho and (I assumed at the time) build a team for the next big manager - people complaining he wasn't Pep / Klopp / etc missed the point. Team needed to heal and Club needed to get back some of the identity it had lost. A "top manager" going in after Jose would've spent his first season picking up the pieces anyway, and would've been under pressure 2nd season which may have just cauaed the wheels to fall off again. So, for me, he did more than enough & I'm grateful to him and like you I wish he had gotten some piece of silverware to show for all of his and Carricks efforts
Finished 2nd - with 74 points. In previous seasons that may not even be top 4 66 points is not top 4 in most PL seasons A Europa league final against a Villarreal team who's value is less than Harry Maguire Unbeaten away from home - COVID-19. When fans came back he started losing Ten Hag came in and completely ripped apart Ole's team. The only Ole signing he starts on the pitch is Bruno Fernandes.
Mourinho has continued to prove, time and time again, that he is one of the greatest managers ever. He's won everywhere... except Tottenham. But that doesn't count because Tottenham are allergic to trophies and would need immediate medical attention if they let him play that final before sacking him
Everyone after Ferguson, including Mourinho, disappointed everyone. It just feels like Mourinho was the only one who at least had some success considering the difficult situation United has been for the past 7 years
David Moyes should never have been let anywhere near United. Van Gaal and Jose were proven coaches at elite levels and Ole was a club legend. Moyes STILL has NEVER won any silverware with any of the clubs he's managed because I don't count the Community Shield with United. Totally overrated.
I’ve seen Manchester City do things that’ll never ever be repeated. What Mourinho did with Manchester United is the greatest achievement of my lifetime.
Love the channel....but this time I disagree. Jose did the best with an average squad. All the players he criticized have not proven him wrong till today.
Only he knows what went behind the curtain in that Man U team. He was week after week saying out loud how mad he was with the club directors, but to me the one thing I can not forgive is him saying Martial will never be good enough despite scoring 14 goals that season when he was 20 years old at the time. Absolutely disgraceful by him.
They should have got him Perisic when he asked for him, & Though United finished 19 pts behind City, we were competing against a centurion team, which is very difficult mentally. It was still really good year with Rashford dunking over Trent XD
We signed Lukaku without signing Perisic. United didn't sign Sanchez till January and they lost a lot of momentum. Look at the pre-January numbers. I wonder what about signing Sanchez on treble to double what everyone else was on upset the dressing room 🤔
It was underrated in the sense that since then, no one really rates that united team that highly to begin with & anyone who tries to act like that team was something special is either deluded or biased for mourinho. That being said, you can't ignore what he did achieve during his time there and while they weren't a prem classic, they were efficient. But being efficient isn't enough anymore to truly compete with the sides which have arose the past decade or so. Also doesn't help that well, frankly, no one really remembers 2nd place. History is written by it's champions so being runner-up doesn't afford you that privilege. If you wanna argue that final points could've won them the league in past years, knock yourself out but that's purely and heavily theoretical since it's not like they'd be playing the same teams anymore in that scenario. At the end of the day, Mourinho's United will go down as one of many teams who were just good enough to be better than the rest but not enough to be fully successful.
Ole's Man United were underrated, for sure!! He actually built a team tht could sustain ( you can see from ETH's dependables) unlike that of Jose. Imagine if any team can boast a record of going undefeated away from home like 50 games at a stretch! Basically it like saying, you are a visitor in your own stadium when Man United arrives.
@@bdt5096 Rashford is replaced, Bruno isnt replaced, neither is Sancho. Dont see Maguire getting replaced, only benched because of lack of confidence which once he regains (looks very tedious considering the crucifixion he gets) he will also be part of backbone of that team. Barring Maguire since he is already 30, i dont see anyone else being dropped. And i dont count not winning a title as a criteria, people crucified Jose even when he won titles for his terrible football and glorified Klopp even when he was winning nothing. Ole was just short of one CDM to have his team ready (Matic was ageing).
@@sudharshanve8519 Ole was incompetent. Stop running this agenda that his team was underrated. He spent 400m and the team didn't get any better from when Mourinho was there. Ole had 6 transfer windows to sign a midfielder and didn't do it. ETH signed 3 midfielders in his first two transfer windows and dumped McFred. He also got rid of Ronaldo and relegated Maguire to a squad player. ETH has also experimented with the players to get the best out of them, trying Shaw at centreback, Lindelof at CDM, Fernandes out wide, Sancho as a number 10... Ole just played a cookie cutter formation 4-2-3-1 every match, except against the big sides in his first season where he played 3 at the back and parked the bus against City and Liverpool. ETH never changed his formation because of the opponents. Because he has a style of football
Honestly, I think how Van Gaal was treated isn't talked about enough. Being sacked right after winning the FA Cup was pretty classless. Yes the football was awful in the last half of his last season, but we seem to ignore that with Jose for some reason
![Jose Mourinho's Real Madrid: The Full Story [PART 1]](/img/1.gif)
"If I tell you that I consider one of the best jobs of my career was to finish second with Man United in the Premier League, you will say, 'this guy is crazy,'" - Mou
I mean, no one would have thought that Manchester United had a chance to even finish on top 2.
Overall, it's a top 6 squad plus Fred, young and reckless McTorminay, and Jones as the Achilles heels.
But also that season he reached 81 points. Nobody since Ferguson to this day reached 81 points at united. That season he beat man city away. Chelsea at home. Arsenal twice. Liverpool at home and tottenham twice. He finished ahead of Conte and klopp who had a much better squad
@@brandonayong5823 And they're people that actually compare that to ole's second.
Okay but can we at least acknowledge that he wanted to sign HARRY MAGUIRE? He was actually mad he didn't! And he spent 150 million of that 400 million on Pogba and Fred!
@@haimainjauo242 😂
De Gea was unreal in 17/18. Almost single-handedly pushed United up to 2nd. Also broke the save record vs Arsenal.
Many saves against Tottenham also
@@Biniyam3832 that was in the next season though (when his decline is already beginning)
Genuinely believe that if we had this de gea during Ole's second season we would've won the league
He still is unreal. His saves against West Ham yesterday were spectacular
@@saltpeter500 he made 1 good save. The 40 yard shot from rice a goalie would expect to save. It’s just the media pushing the narrative that de gea saved united. In reality united should have been 3-0 up in the first half
He won Europa league with Smalling ,Young ,Jones,Fellani,
Respect !!!
young won serie a and chris smalling starts in a europa league side
3 of those players were very expensive signings.
And DDG
@@pysky4u You mean the guy who basically kick started his career by winning the Europa league with Atlei? Bad example lol
They were Also good
Yes. Jose won them their last two titles, got them to another cup final AND was responsible for the best campaign in the Premier League since Sir Alex - by far. United ended the 2017-18 in second place, ahead of Conte´s Chelsea, Klopp´s Liverpool and Poch´s Spurs - not to mention Arsenal.
Respect, man. Respect.
Meanwhile Ole finished above Lampard's Chelsea (another rookie), a Spurs team past their cycle that was constantly changing managers, an injury-ridden Liverpool and an Arsenal team rebuilding under a rookie manager.
If I remember correctly, the 2nd season we looked quite good and really well organised, but by his last season the attacking play was rigid and completely ineffectual. He also oversaw some terrible signings. Looking back though, I think he was probably the best of the post-Ferguson managers.
Some of the transfers are not what Mourinho wants thou, like Pogba.
@@HenSt-gz7qj Perhaps. I don't think anybody definitively knows which signings he wanted and which ones he didn't. Pure conjecture really.
It may have been an impossible situation for him.
"He also oversaw some terrible signings" all of his signings were not his first, second or third choice mate
Ole was better
Last trophy you won was under him. Must've been doing something right
I thought he did very well in his first two seasons. He was criminally underrated in my opinion. People get too caught up in paper talk and media hype - but in the real world, to finish top 6 and win the League Cup and Europa League in his first season was impressive, and then to go on to finish 2nd and comfortably top 4 was very good with what he had.
That season where he finished 2nd he also played an fa cup final. That's a very good season by united standard post fergie
He was still the architect of his own downfall. The chelsea job before and spurs job after shows that.
He got job done but boringly. Sometime i watched united's game but never could under Mourinho. If you're not United fan, u won't watch his boring tactics
@@mikemcklieve ur not a United fan; stop capping, fans watch the team play that’s it, looking good or not is a extra
@@aakarmamtora3470 incorrect, wasn’t backed at Sprurs while asking for signings, and still managed to reach a final, using Chelsea and blaming the manager for sacking is lying to yourself to sound right. It’s literally the way chelsea found success, by sacking managers and signing new ones.
At United he reach finals, got top 4 and top 2, won 2 cups. He is a woldclass manager, the only one whom could defeat pep against peps BEST team ever, not only once but twice. History looks at your sentence and laughs at it
Mourinho in general is still underrated, despite all his successes.
He can be an uncomfortable personality, but he generally seems to know his stuff.
Mourinho is overated he is good manager and made success in the past but now his unaffected and limited tactics just not working all the Time with modern football other managers progres like pep or klopp and Carlo anceloti .....
@@dopargom6944 Guardiola had unlimited funds at City and Mourinho is managing teams like Tottenham and Roma...
@@dopargom6944 Personally, i wouldn't call ancelotti's tactics modern, even from a real madrid fan. Though i would love to understand your perspective, what is modern football and how Ancelotti fit that criteria?
@@whittar Fairly sure Mourinho was free spending while at Chelsea in his second stint, and at United. It wasn't like he didn't have access to money (although admittedly City were better run so did more with their cash).
Spurs and Roma came layer.
@@dopargom6944 you're comparing pep who manages city or bayern and has unlimited funds and DESTINED to win and be great no matter who's the coach against mourinho who's in small clubs with limited funds like roma or spurs. LOL. Pretty sure pep's the one who's overrated here.
The media painted him as an Evil manager. His harsh management of some players and his playing style only helped their statement. We United fans will forever remember him as the one who succeeded in one of our worst eras. Thanks for winning 3 trophies in your first season with that squad. Truly a SPECIAL ONE.
A special one definitely. His man management is awful though, you can't lose a game and then in the post interview name and blame players individually and then expect them to respect you.
Real men did tho just look at the older heads mao would coach like in Porto Chelsea and Inter those guys accepted everything he said and improved. The new generation, my generation sadly are all pussys
@@ly7638 strange his best players take the absolute opposite of what you say
@@ly7638 It is just his style, very sink or swim, you either rise to prove his criticism wrong or leave. His best players love him and feel inspired to play for him in part because of his accountability, passion and demands. Unfortunately United for the past many years now has been full of players who would rather cry than give 100% for a full match. I am not a fan of Mourinho or United but he has been misjudged after less an ideal spells at spurs and United both of whom have owners who are intolerant to disagreements and hate managers who make reasonable demands. His way is not perfect but it has produced
@@ly7638 if the board backed him and got him the players he wanted not what the board thought was glamorous 1-2 more seasons and 100% he would have won the EPL & Champions league
They were blinded by star power pogba was not serious he screwed united they just finally replaced shoals and Carrick with Cassamero imagine that
Just look at artetta and Klop and pep all whom
His back four were Valencia, Smalling, Jones and Young… sink about it
Who had Peak De Gea behind them
@@kitotapgono1467 That is true but still...
He asked for new cb and fullback which they all bought after he left. Clueless owners
That back 4 is more expensive than what Liverpool have now. Let that sink in.
@@joebarnes100 did he buy them ?
Had the glazers backed him when he wanted to buy Koulibaly, Griezman, Perisic and Fabinho Mourinho would’ve taken United to greater heights.
Griezmann didn’t want to leave atleti after 16/17
He wouldn’t have taken them any higher
@@Conici_AU no, more like 2017/2018, that's why United bought Lukaku instead. Also he didn't want to leave because Atleti had a transfer ban then
How much would that transfer list cost at the time?
Give any manager players of that talent and costs and they will do well.
I was the owner, I wouldnt have backed him. He was playing defensive football that didnt yield results at the time of his sacking. There was also a toxic dressing room
Almost every manager has complained about owners not agreeing to sign the required players under Glazer ownership. Jose Mourinho was treated very harshly by our board. We United fans are thankful for his contribution and for bringing in Ibrahimovic for free.
Add Dalot
Even Fergie complained
ole did'nt, infac\t that puppet was praising the owners
Just pointing out, Sanchez was a Winter signing, not a summer one
I can’t believe they got that wrong
Tifo's lack of attention to detail has been shocking recently, for their standards at least
Ironically that's when it all started to go downhill from there
@@winterrising8738 actually. Martial through the left was going really good in December Jan and then Sanchez came in.
Another major issue Tifo seem to not consider is José aged up the squad significantly and heavily relied on individual moments of brilliance of the big buys. United barely had any patterns of play apart from who to target aerially
Mourinho is still for me a genius. People have short memories in football but some of his achievements. Such as winning a champions league with PORTO. Are nothing short of remarkable. One of the best to ever do it without doubt
True he was also very unlucky in both Chelsea and Madrid and his Inter UCL winning side was nothing short of Legendary
even winning the Conference league this year. people downplay it but its not like he won it with Chelsea or Real. he didnt go in there with a big club against these smaller clubs.
@@IASP17 He won a Mickey Mouse cup with a stacked Roma team relative to what they faced. Of course there's zero merit in that.
Yes, I always thought they overachieved under Mourinho. I didn't think the players were good enough except De Gea who was so annoyingly good during those years that he should've been not only Best goalkeeper in the world but even at least nominated for best football player of the year. And it always seemed Mourinhos tactics and De Gea earned them points. They shouldn't have no business being in 2nd place or fighting for CL places.
- Liverpool fan
of course we have business being in those places xD
Y.N.W.A
It was certainly a dysfunctional squad and Jose Mourinho was able to get quite a bit out of them.
@@saiyerugara9038 2 seasons in, he should have had his team by then, he brought Bailly, Lindelof (didn't use them), Pogba, Matic (didn't get the best out of them), Lukaku, Ibrahimovic, Sanchez (his defensive tactics, isolated them, starving them of chances), inherited Rashford, Martial, De Gea (then best PL GK, under LVG),
@@jean-paulwalters8855 He at least won trophies though. I believe he's the only manager since Ferguson to win a domestic trophy, a European trophy and finish top 4. What's more, he had an 80+ point season as well.
ibrahimovic injury clearly effected the squad. he was not only striker, also the player who has been working long time together with mou and could handle players like pogba and lindgard.
In 17/18, the maximum amount of goals that Manchester United conceded was 2
Do you mean in 1 game by game?, that's pretty good tbf
@@jean-paulwalters8855 his Chelsea team was even better conceding maximum of 1 g per game
I’ll always respect Mourinho, he won us couple of trophies in one of our worst eras.
You guys done David Moyles dirty with that drawing of him. Jheez.
The Man Utd board were a shambles. Chose players over the manager. Look at where those players are now. Man Utd gave him Fred and a young Dalot to bridge the gap to City after finishing 2nd. Mourinho maybe wouldn’t have won the league in his 3rd season or maybe he would have. But the Man Utd board never gave him the backing for us to ever know…
And by ronaldo and casem it still player over manager
He wanted those players 😂
@@magikarpsplashy nope he openly criticised that transfer window and numerous others during his time at Man Utd. All managers before him have all said the same thing. So I’d take there actual quotes over what you’re saying fella
@@xXxMrHashxXx a manager blames the players instead of himself? Quelle suprise!
So which players that we signed did he want? Just the ones that did well?
You probably believe him when he says he's still a top manager too 🤣
@@magikarpsplashy there’s no way you can say Mourinho or even you as a fan were happy with that transfer window of just adding Fred and Dalot was good enough…
Everybody tainted Mourinho until they saw Ole in shambles. Now everyone wonders how Mou did it. Thats the sign of a maestro.
In a few years we’ll probably be saying the same about Ole. Played in a far more competitive time in the prem too. That along with the fact he wasn’t a proven manager
@@TimTomJimJom Ole's tenure wasn't completely his fault. The players were lazy and demotivated and the board didnt care (still doesnt care). From a tactical standpoint and expectations I'll rate Mou higher than Ole. Lets see how history remembers them.
@@TimTomJimJom No they won't especially if Ten Hag wins a trophy this season and finishes with more points than him. If ETH finishes with more than 75 points and wins a trophy he's already exceeded what Ole did in 4 seasons.
@@yunfun.8893 Well it's now safe to say the "finishes with more than 75 points" hasn't happened and probably won't happen this year either
@@pezcaminando9236 Well he finished with 75 points in his first season, which was more than Ole with 74 points in his peak season. I just should have clarified "75 points or more". ETH already exceeded Ole's legacy as a manager, despite his obvious lack of durability.
Mourinho is one of the few managers who is only judged by his 'problematic third seasons', and the media forgets all the great, often remarkable things he often achieves in the first two seasons. Things that no one expects him to do, and was constantly written off. Mourinho's Real Madrid is one of the BEST teams I've ever seen in my life, even though they won most of their major things later on after his departure. It was a spellbinding counterattacking team, with some of the best players in the world working at the top of their game, and an unstoppable CR7.
Player power and horrible owners got Jose's downfall at UTD💯
And Levy at Spurs! Similar scenario.
@@silvb4952 And what just went down at Villa. Can't believe Unai joined them.
Good thing eth curb egonaldo
Rojo and Jones patnership in the heart of defence was a pleasant surprise during Mourinho's era.
After Fergie, José was the best damn manager they had. They never appreciated José, never got the support he needed. He could’ve won the league with them
Best of a bad bad bunch, not that hard
I had a season ticket for Jose's whole tenure at United. I have to say there seemed to be as many bad days as there were good. 0-0 draws to Hull City and the like, but also beating Liverpool and Chelsea at home were fantastic
Aren't you the BT Sports Community section Poll Guy?
@@Victor_Trumper Yeah, the legend James Williams
I remember Mourinho’s first 2 seasons were great. Lukaku was actually fit and he managed the LW Martial and Rashford swap perfectly. We were easily beating teams 4-0 and the clean sheets were his bread and butter. Add that we won trophies with a worse squad then what we have now and honestly Mourinho was our best manager after Ferguson. He was brutally honest and that’s why fans didn’t like him. ETH says the right things so now fans are all in love with him but in reality ETH just started and we need to relax. I don’t see ETH playing this possession style football like Pep which most fans claim. ETH has been doing the same counter attacking with individual brilliance. I’m willing to bet Mourinho’s Man United controlled games much better.
Yeah, ETH didnt play possesion game oriented like pep, but maybe because their squad not good enough,
@@tukiran3953The Ajax players are way better technical players than Man United players, he can't play possession football with the current players he has
The fact he got sacked for the happiness of players like Pogba and that Click still frustrates me. He should still be battling and rebuilding teams to go up against Pep and Klopp
Has Mourinho ever really rebuild teams, RM he inherited a beast squad, Chelsea, the same, then just sprinkled on a Drogba, Carvalho, Cech, and 2nd stint a Costa and Fabregas, he inherited an aging Inter team, that had legendary players like Vieira and Ibrahimovic, and a then generational RB Maicon, and brought in Sneijder, but he didn't rebuild the team really
@@jean-paulwalters8855 my friend, Mourinho at Inter was magic. Inter were failures in European competitions. He sold Ibra for Eto’o and bought Milito for pennies and he was World Class that season with Sneijder. That inter team was built with no budget, inter were financially broken. They were by no means a legendary side. Don’t forget buying Lucio as well for nothing. Not spending $70mil on a defender whenever he’d like.
@@adhambeydoun they'd won the UCL before he arrived tho, they also had prime Maicon, Eto'o, Sneijder, Cesar, in their 1st team, having players like that in your ranks, makes you, at least a garenteed UCL underdog to the United’s, Chelsea, Barca, Bayern, Real, at least
@@jean-paulwalters8855 Inter hadn't won the UCL since 1965 what are you talking about? Inter were defending Serie A champions when he arrived yes, but the team was average and those nugget signings like Milito, Lucio, Snjieder and Pandev was everything with Eto'o
@@adhambeydoun 1965, was before he arrived 🤦♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣, Lucio was also a Bayern Munich player before he arrived at Inter, Sneijder was playing for Real Madrid before he went to Inter, Eto'o was apart of the best ever club side/period in the world, wrongfully sold by Pep
2024 and what I wouldn't give for those 2 trophies and 2nd place finish in an Era where our strikers (Rashy, Jadon, Hojlund, Antony, and Martial) combined have 8 goals, and the best player is an 18 year old. We are out of UCL in what could be the easiest group for any Top 5 team, we are 7th in table with 9 losses, out of EFL Cup, and netting just 2 goals against Wigan Atheltic. We literally drew and lost to the like of FC Copenhagen and Galatrasay, we are losing to Notts, West Ham, Bournemouth, Newcastle, Crystal Palace, and Brighton. We are terrible.
That 3-2 win vs City has to go down as one of the all-time great managerial masterclasses
Don’t see how, we did deserve to lose that day. Great game and a great spectacle but we were outclassed if we are being honest
@@TimTomJimJom In the first half, absolutely. However, I think Mourinho set the team up really well in the second half to restrict the threat of City and actually get at them going forward too, getting Pogba forward well and combining with Sanchez. The thing with Pep's City is that they'll go 1-0 up and they could then tear anyone apart with how they exploit space in behind, but Mourinho didn't let that happen, and he did that against the City Centurions
It reminds me of Manuel Pellegrini's Real Madrid, he had one of the best campaigns in La Liga and even so, according to many, it went badly
Yes, they were. The media just didn't like Jose.
The media don't like foreigners in general
😂 mourinho is a fraud
@@Irishatheist24 best manager mate. Learn football
the media don't like United you mean .
@@Irishatheist24 To call a man who won the Champion's League with Porto a fraud.
Out of all post-Ferguson Era, Mourinho is definitely underrated and the media hates him for it. Man utd had Zlatan, Pogba, young Rashford Depay Lingard and Martial, Juan Mata, Schweinsteiger, Mktharyan, and Ander Herrera.
Though I knew we wouldn't even expect to be going far as willing PL Title or better yet winning that shield community cup. there was flareness and Mourinho style football in sensibility given that there was toxicity in the long run.
It was insane how mourinho won us our last 2 trophies with Young , Valencia , Luka Shaw and Smalling. We also have an aging Rooney but we were playing pretty well. Mourinho is the chosen one fr
In this order are the best managers…Ferguson, Mourinho, Wegner. Ferguson winning the league with a team that the next season was abysma as well as motivating players to give it their alll, Mourinho with mediocre teams winning a CL and beating FCB in their prime to take the European trophy and Wegner doing miraculous things with almost no money spent because he was paying back for the new stadium built. Unreal what those 3 did.
Ancelotti looking like🙃
@@Arcadious10 As good as Ancelotti is, most of his time has been spent beating farmers recently. I respected him more when he was the manager of Milan and Chelsea as back then the Italian league had 4 good teams as did the English League. Coaching Bayern and RM to titles always has been easy. Both are the biggest spenders in their respective leagues and SHOULD win their leagues. Yeah, he snagged some CL trophies but for me the order of trophy prestige and difficulty as of today is Premier League then the UCL. The UCL is won mostly by teams in farmers leagues as they don’t have to field their best squads on the Saturday before the UCL games unless they are playing perhaps the second place team in their league, thus they get to rest their best players and help them remain injury free or heal up. From top to bottom the PL is the strongest league.
I remember United began that season quite well and the only points dropped was a 2-2 draw at Stoke.
Jose kept pace with City until early October. Matic and Lukaku looked like great buys, Martial was playing really well and Pogba at times resembled something of an £89 million player.
Then United went to Anfield and stank the place out by parking the bus to grind out an embarrassing nil - nil draw.
After that point the wheels fell off and the season tactically became absolute attrition until May. City pretty much won the title in early December when they beat United at Old Trafford and extended their lead in to double figures.
When not allowed to roam, like with France, pogba never looks like a world class player. He's like a baby deer, all legs.
Yep, people have short memories but even the first season we looked so awful and turgid in the league games. We barely ground out results against extremely poor opposition in the Europa league and Jose started prancing off claiming he'd won a "treble". I know that our board is full of tossers but I really did not care for the Mourinho era despite how hard he tried to sell himself as a martyr
The xG should give absolutely no indication about "best" unless you had xG per game and then assessed the theoretical points that would have been made at that level
"I, myself, because of my personality, made out that the training, the games and the job were all to win, win, win, and then, when I came to situations where it was very difficult to win, which for other coaches is something acceptable, in my case it was never enough."
Bring Jose Mourinho back please
The reason British media is still talking about this achievement and this man means it was a success.
I swear this guy leaves rent-free in the heads of these guys.
the 16/17 season was better than 17/18 in terms of football played. Lack of cutting edge was why we finished 6th in 16/17.
Looking back I would say that the vast majority of the things Jose said were true, but he said them in the wrong way. The club's problems were far greater than Mourinho though. The entire system from top to bottom was a mess.
Charity Shield , UEFA Cup and EFL Cup. I would call it a success
Using xGD here is ridiculous.
EVERYONE knows that under Mourinho United (and other teams he's managed) would sit back after going 1-0 up and hence having a low xG
If he had better players at his disposal then they would have had a better xGD and been closer to City
And De Gea's 'overperfromance' was surely, in part, down to Mourinho's coaching and motivation.
Mourinho wanted a centre half - like Maguire. The Man U board did not buy him the players he needed. Mourinho did well to get Man U to second, given the ageing players and lack of support from the board.
After Mourinho left , Man U did buy Maguire , but paid too much.
Saying that the expected goals would drop them down to nth in the table and using it as an argument that he didn't actually earn that place is illogical. Coaching is also about getting players to outperform and that's exactly what they did.
The many times his Manchester United side were expected to lose against man city, Tottenham, and Liverpool only to come away with a draw or a rigid win in his favor gave me and my lil bro headaches. It’s Jose Mourinho.
That's like choosing an average team in carrier mode and playing on legendary lvl. You finish 2nd is great achievement
Don’t forget the Community Shield, as he told that touchline reporter after they won the Europa League. To be fair, I count it as a trophy, but there is no way to argue that this period was a success.
It’s for charity mate. Like counting the Audi cup or somthing
The club took side with Pogba, Shaw etc. Turns out Pogba never met expectations. If the Special One talks, you should listen.
Even the fans wanted Mourinho out
81 points was the highest they've had in years since and previously. They maybe lucked into a few extra points than they usually get, due to phenomenal individual players like Pogba. 81 is not enough to win a Premier league title.
*Claudio Ranieri has entered the chat*
Mourinho's team was underrated in retrospect but how he treated Schweinsteiger during that time is unforgivable
United got knocked out of the Champions League group stage and ended up bottom of the group on the 12/12/2023. If this doesn't prove Mourinho was underrated at United nothing will. Football Heritage I think he said.
Yup
Mourinho can never be overrated! Ratings can never go high enough for Mourinho! Respect! Respect!
The problem with Mourinho is his interviews and antics on the touchline are more entertaining than the football his teams produce on the pitch.
Love the man! I think unlike Ole he wasn't backed up by the board enough when they didn't even get him a CB and got Ole one in the face of Maguire
Eric Bailly and Victor Lindelof were both bought under Mou… not sure what your definition of a cb is
He got Bailly and lindelof. The cb he wanted was aldeweireld who the very next season went to play to Belgium
I love the artwork. 'David Moyes' looks much more like Marty Feldman.
Yes! Mourinho's Manchester United Were Underrated! We won the Europa League Cup and the League Cup! And also we managed to finish 2nd in the league, with a terrible group of useless players. Considering how bad the team is and how bad they were playing before Mourinho took over. It is an impressive achievement that he managed to turn the club around. And set us on the right track! There was some major issues with players who were consistently underperforming though.
You think this current Manchester United team is bad?
Man won 3 trophies in his 1st season, and then went to another Cup final whilst finishing 2nd in his 2nd season. Crazy how that results in a sacking the next season.
Ah, I think you left out a lot of context there. There were signs at the end of the second season that the garden wasn't all roses. And it was abundantly clear he had lost control by December 2018.
Whether or not he was right to say / do whatever he did behind closed doors is almost irrelevant; managers job is: 1) to try and win 2) control the dressing room, and keep the team a team. The separate cliques that formed then carried into Ragnicks time, even if the personnel changed.
Owners aren't going to replace 24 hard to get players all at once, when they can quick fix it by sacking a manager & gradually shipping out troublemakers afterwards if they believe the manager was correct. Every manager needs to ensure for their own sake (and teams) that they don't put themselves in that position
I can well imagine there was blame on both sides for the team fracturing
@@ronanfitzpatrick1261 you're right I did gloss over many details lmao, but in the end he produced the most results out of all the post-Fergie managers. Hopefully ten Hag does good cause' United not being on top is always weird to me
It all went wrong with the signing of Sanchez. Upset the apple cart beyond what the squad could cope with having already got the Mourinho intensity in place. Otherwise it was going on nicely mid season before that. Then the start of next season the results fell off.
@@RazorTooths Agreed. Signs are there so far with Ten Haag. I think United are maybe 2 or 3 signings away from competing though (Ralf wasn't that far off with needing 10 signings in retrospect). Hopefully can challenge next year, more training and a few fresh faces - although I can see Liverpool, Arsenal and Newcastle all significantly strengthening too.
@@gm2407 It's funny how that happens, but makes sense in a way, when you think each team is just a small group of (mostly) young lads - in terms of attitude, or 11 highly interdependent players on the pitch - for cohesion, work rate etc
Plz Man Utd, do not do the same mistake u did with Mourinho on Ten Hag. Plz give him time, patience and plenty of backing. He’ll turn this club into a great club. Trust him!
Mourinho did the best possible job with some of the poor player he had. I've always believed that. He wasn't supported by the board. He finished second and then was told to do better without being given the financial backing.
I think it's worth noting that of the Post-Ferguson Utd managers to manage more than 5 games, Mourinho had both the highest win% (barring Ten Hag who's got a small sample size) and the lowest loss% outright of all of them. in both cases only marginally worse off than Ferguson's records
He did a good job with an unbalanced, awkward squad.
Dunno why Jose doesn't last more than 4 seasons in a club in one period. His sacking by ManU and Spurs were outrageous, especially by Levy who sacked him prior to Cup Final match, which is dumb.
1:14 can we just appreciate the ART
He also reached a FA Cup Final and Manchester United played better than Chelsea on that game.
With Mou, United was always on Champions, even in his third season and later being fired, he was able to take the team to the knockout stage of Champions. Van Gaal and Ole fail to do that, well Ole beat PSG.
Looking at Manchester United, it's clear the problem hasn't been the managers but the decision makers in the boardroom with zero football knowledge, only chasing commercial deals. Hopefully things will turn around soon enough.
they had the easiest route to europa league final ever. but i did think the season after their 2nd place finish they would be real contenders. they seemed to buy only players with bad attitudes though
It's a shame for Mourinho that something in his psyche flips in the 3rd season. When the noted improvement tails off and the end of season 2, usually and again noted after winning a trophy, he just can't keep the ball rolling. Sustained improvement requires a sound analysis of where games are being drawn or lost, and a desire to improve players technically and tactically. Mourinho can't do that.
His main strength is to Foster a 'them against us' attitude, which works when you're not expected to necessarily win. The 2nd place finish should have been a great platform to make the next step, but that was the problem. With United expected to win, Mourinho ran out of excuses and started blaming the players. The fall outs with Shaw and Pogba were not inevitable and should have been resolved. United have churned through the 1.4 billion worth of enough talent to two have won the league. You can argue that it has been a lack of structure but when it comes down to it, Mourinho had one of the best jobs in football and blew it. Somewhere within the head of Mourinho is an elite coach but his ego can't let it out.
Depends how you define underrated? In terms of the success it had matching the quality, possibly. The 1st season it did really well, 6th was a bit of a false position, it was really unlucky in several PL games. 2nd season did alright, before Pogba's injury it was ticking very nicely & only started running out of steam towards the end (when they bought Sanchez, screwed up the attacking dynamics).
But overrated & underrated are determined by how people perceive things, and the amount of Mourinho fans who pump up that United job he did as something to illustrate his awesomeness has always been laughable. It was decent, if you pretend the 3rd season didn't exist, but he could've done MUCH better!
Perfect summary imo
So do you believe that united team was capable of winning the league or contending for the UCL or even winning it at that time? Because that's pretty much the only thing more he could've done with what he had. His time in united was no masterpiece but it's still very impressive that they accomplished so much. Especially considering talent wise they could be better now than they were before
@@kingrodney441 The problem is the success he had was scrapping the barrel. Southampton should've beaten them in the LC Final, were the better team by Mourinho's own admission. As impressive as they were in the Europa Final, Ajax were literally a team of teenagers - I think Ziyech was their oldest player in his mid 20's. Finishing 2nd looks nice but you have to factor in Conte wasn't on his game (unfocussed/wanted out of Chelsea) & Wenger/Arsenal were a total non-factor, so the only significant competition for that spot was a Liverpool team still brewing away but not complete & an excellent but mentally weak Spurs burdened with playing at Wembley - pretty good, but not outstanding.
He did nothing there that left a big impression, it just kinda happened. The deserved CL exit vs. Sevilla was a big downer on the whole job, if they'd have got to the quarters/semis & they'd gone out putting up a good fight I think many people's perceptions of the job he did would've been a bit more positive.
@@HHHBFResurrected you know how spoiled you are as a fan to call 2 trophies, one being a European trophy, not that impressive and something that kinda happened. A spurs or Leicester fan who had those trophies wouldn't dare call it something that kinda happened. I know united had dominated the 20 years prior to that but winning 1 trophy isn't something to take for granted let alone 2. I agree he could have done more but even a man city fan would say 2 trophies in one year is something to remember
@@kingrodney441 When you set the bar the way Mourinho does, managing the teams Mourinho does, trophies are an expectation. Most people would agree Pochettino did a FARRRRR better job at Spurs than Mourinho did a United for example, the lack of trophies is complete irrelevant to that.
I love the fact that people say that winning a league cup and europa league in one season is not good enough for united. Shows they still see as us the biggest
Then Ole's time was also underrated.
He finished second 🥈 behind city
Finished back to back champions league spot.
He got to the Europa league final
He went a season unbeaten away from home.
Built a team playing good for him which some developed under him.
Ole was just unlucky not to have laid his hands on atleast the Europa league trophy 🏆.
I still wish him the best of luck.
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Agree.
Ole was brought in to steady the ship after Mourinho and (I assumed at the time) build a team for the next big manager - people complaining he wasn't Pep / Klopp / etc missed the point. Team needed to heal and Club needed to get back some of the identity it had lost.
A "top manager" going in after Jose would've spent his first season picking up the pieces anyway, and would've been under pressure 2nd season which may have just cauaed the wheels to fall off again.
So, for me, he did more than enough & I'm grateful to him and like you I wish he had gotten some piece of silverware to show for all of his and Carricks efforts
Finished 2nd - with 74 points. In previous seasons that may not even be top 4
66 points is not top 4 in most PL seasons
A Europa league final against a Villarreal team who's value is less than Harry Maguire
Unbeaten away from home - COVID-19. When fans came back he started losing
Ten Hag came in and completely ripped apart Ole's team. The only Ole signing he starts on the pitch is Bruno Fernandes.
We signed Sanchez in the winter not summer
And that triggered a series of downward spiral after that. I feel missing out that context is key
Only time United got over 80 points since SAF.
people back then still live in SAF era and hasn't realize how far they've been behind
One video on how pep guardiola was bought to city and spend millions and hasn't won champions league specifically in his last 4 season or so
He did the job despite bad situations. No excuses. Eventually he gave in but left with a legacy. Let’s see Ten Hagg can fill his shoes
Mourinho has continued to prove, time and time again, that he is one of the greatest managers ever. He's won everywhere... except Tottenham. But that doesn't count because Tottenham are allergic to trophies and would need immediate medical attention if they let him play that final before sacking him
People forgot how much pep spent that season
Best footy channel of all time. Underrated.
nothing changes the fact that he's still our most successful manager in the post-Ferguson era.
I had genuinely forgot we finished 6 in his first season because of the two trophies.
The problem was with the players not with Mourinho. For me in 2017/18 he overachieved with that squad.
in Italy we say that "The time is a gentleman"
Everyone after Ferguson, including Mourinho, disappointed everyone. It just feels like Mourinho was the only one who at least had some success considering the difficult situation United has been for the past 7 years
David Moyes should never have been let anywhere near United. Van Gaal and Jose were proven coaches at elite levels and Ole was a club legend.
Moyes STILL has NEVER won any silverware with any of the clubs he's managed because I don't count the Community Shield with United. Totally overrated.
We was hard to break down and solid in a block. That's a since off good coaching
I mean so was Burnley under dych
@@TimTomJimJom good coaching
I’ve seen Manchester City do things that’ll never ever be repeated. What Mourinho did with Manchester United is the greatest achievement of my lifetime.
Love the channel....but this time I disagree. Jose did the best with an average squad. All the players he criticized have not proven him wrong till today.
Thank you! He was spot on about all except MAYBE Luke Shaw
Only he knows what went behind the curtain in that Man U team. He was week after week saying out loud how mad he was with the club directors, but to me the one thing I can not forgive is him saying Martial will never be good enough despite scoring 14 goals that season when he was 20 years old at the time. Absolutely disgraceful by him.
They should have got him Perisic when he asked for him, & Though United finished 19 pts behind City, we were competing against a centurion team, which is very difficult mentally. It was still really good year with Rashford dunking over Trent XD
love him, hate him , criticize him ,call him pragmatic or whatever...... but he is the epitome of winner
We signed Lukaku without signing Perisic. United didn't sign Sanchez till January and they lost a lot of momentum. Look at the pre-January numbers. I wonder what about signing Sanchez on treble to double what everyone else was on upset the dressing room 🤔
It was underrated in the sense that since then, no one really rates that united team that highly to begin with & anyone who tries to act like that team was something special is either deluded or biased for mourinho. That being said, you can't ignore what he did achieve during his time there and while they weren't a prem classic, they were efficient. But being efficient isn't enough anymore to truly compete with the sides which have arose the past decade or so. Also doesn't help that well, frankly, no one really remembers 2nd place. History is written by it's champions so being runner-up doesn't afford you that privilege. If you wanna argue that final points could've won them the league in past years, knock yourself out but that's purely and heavily theoretical since it's not like they'd be playing the same teams anymore in that scenario. At the end of the day, Mourinho's United will go down as one of many teams who were just good enough to be better than the rest but not enough to be fully successful.
Prime De Gea happened
Diminishing mou season because of De Gea and xGs is crazy
Alexis Sanchez wasn’t signed in the summer, he was swapped directly for mirkitaryan in January
United would of won the league under Mourinho by now if theyd never sacked him
Ya in 20/21
Ole's Man United were underrated, for sure!! He actually built a team tht could sustain ( you can see from ETH's dependables) unlike that of Jose. Imagine if any team can boast a record of going undefeated away from home like 50 games at a stretch! Basically it like saying, you are a visitor in your own stadium when Man United arrives.
No fans in the ground tho, does help when your playing in empty stadiums
@@jean-paulwalters8855 He carried that form on, even when fans had arrived, like smashing Man City at Eithad in both the games.
No trophies for Ole and Ten Haag is already replacing his favorites so not a real sustainable team he built
@@bdt5096 Rashford is replaced, Bruno isnt replaced, neither is Sancho. Dont see Maguire getting replaced, only benched because of lack of confidence which once he regains (looks very tedious considering the crucifixion he gets) he will also be part of backbone of that team. Barring Maguire since he is already 30, i dont see anyone else being dropped. And i dont count not winning a title as a criteria, people crucified Jose even when he won titles for his terrible football and glorified Klopp even when he was winning nothing. Ole was just short of one CDM to have his team ready (Matic was ageing).
@@sudharshanve8519 Ole was incompetent. Stop running this agenda that his team was underrated. He spent 400m and the team didn't get any better from when Mourinho was there.
Ole had 6 transfer windows to sign a midfielder and didn't do it. ETH signed 3 midfielders in his first two transfer windows and dumped McFred. He also got rid of Ronaldo and relegated Maguire to a squad player. ETH has also experimented with the players to get the best out of them, trying Shaw at centreback, Lindelof at CDM, Fernandes out wide, Sancho as a number 10... Ole just played a cookie cutter formation 4-2-3-1 every match, except against the big sides in his first season where he played 3 at the back and parked the bus against City and Liverpool. ETH never changed his formation because of the opponents. Because he has a style of football
Compare to Eth, answer is yes
The fact that’s we STILL talk about it speaks its volumes.
Honestly, I think how Van Gaal was treated isn't talked about enough. Being sacked right after winning the FA Cup was pretty classless.
Yes the football was awful in the last half of his last season, but we seem to ignore that with Jose for some reason
Mourinho would have won that 17/81 PL if City didn't cheat with their FFP in the last 10 years