Avishek Mukherjee yeah, I can look past the nitpicky things, because it was fucking exhilarating and entertaining. Anybody who can’t look past the “plotholes” and just enjoy it isn’t a true fan.
Hannah, you made me tear up with you on the death of the dragon, and I'm a 62 year old man, beautiful reaction, look forward to Friday and also next season with you :)
This episode is saved by the ending (wight Viserion). Otherwise I fucking coudln't get over the fact that Gendry ran back to the wall, sent a raven to Dragonstone (said raven flew to Dragonstone), Dany got the letter and flew all the way to the Wall and saved the day, all in the span of 24 hours.
Jeremy is totally right. John went too far away from the dragon and he was literally the reason they had to stay there so long. The writers needed something to give time for the walker to kill the dragon, so they made John act stupid.
I think he is acting tough because that convo with Beric about protecting everyone and he must kill the night king probably got to him, and when the night king killed the dragon Jon snapped, besides he's a Targaryen they lose their temper. Tho not defending Jon he was really stupid.
Sansa was brilliant. She made Brienne and Pod leave, which protected them. She knew she could trust Arya or hoped she could, to take down LF. Arya never wanted to be a Lady. That was the lynchpin to Sansa knowing this is BS littlefinger. Lf did not know Arya.
LaDonna Louise I think it totally demonstrates the limit of Littlefinger’s knowledge. Yes he has spies and all that, but he could never truly know what went on with Arya or Bran. In the end Bran was the true epitome of what Littlefinger wanted to be. He valued knowledge over all, he thought knowledge was power, but Bran overshadows him in knowledge in every way possible. Unfortunately it was at the cost of most of his personality but hey, sacrifices must be made.
wayin love CLEARLY ! OBVIOUSLY ! Viserion's death (and even Benjen's death) is totally Jon's fault... I like him anyway but i was soooo mad at him when i saw that episode for the 1st time... But my lovely Dany likes him so i forgive him
I think one of the things people seem to ignore about Jon charging forward is the fact that he's been losing every battle he's fought against the White Walkers. Then suddenly the dragons show up and for the first time he's moving towards the Night King. He feels like he can actually win the fight and save everyone.
I completely agree with Jeremy, at the end, Jon was a complete Idiot once again and ruined another life. He got most of his army killed in the battle of the bastards, so Sansa had to save him and now he got Viserion killed by not getting on Drogon, there was no need to go on a killing spree to that level, even when Viserion was killed, Jon went to kill more Wights instead of immediately running to a dragon to get to safety because of his own desires and instincts, although he may have good intentions, his actions were so stupid.
ninethreefivesix yeah, but don't forget about the conversation he had with Beric that wasn't included in the reaction. Jon had stuck in his mind that if he slew the Night King he could have ended it all right there. He essentially threw caution to the wind just like Jaimie two episodes earlier. All Jon was thinking about was ending the war for the living. Just like Jaimie was only thinking of ending Dany's march to the iron throne when he recklessly charged at a woman standing beside a giant, fire breathing, crocodile, bat monster.
That's Jon's problem. Maybe it's the Targaryen impulsiveness *shrugs* just like at the beginning of BoB, when Rickon gets killed. Jon was so mad that he jumped on that horse and decided to ..oh well, just basically fight Ramsay's army by himself it appears. I love him to pieces but damn, he can be very dumb when it hits close to his heart. That or he has suicidal tendencies.
I just think Jon has a special connection with the Night King. Going back to the fight at Hardhome too where they had that look too. There was this guy Bran the Builder who was a Stark too and he could be the Night King. He also could have thrown his lance at Drogon and beat them all but he chose the other dragon. All he wanted was his ice dragon. He has a plan that does not include killing everybody.
JEREMY GETS IT!! I KNOW Hogwarts believes that Jon can do no wrong .... but at this point in time, the wisest Starks are Bran, Sansa & Arya. Jon is a Targaryen idiot and i will never forgive him for Viserion's death. The Showrunners should have planned that scene better .... maybe they should have kept the Night's King in the shadows and surprised us with Viserion's death .... THEN Jon would have had a reason to get emotional and begin his fucking marathon .... THAT WAS SO STUPID OF JON!! Like WTF!!
I wouldn't blame Jon the character as much as the choreography and directing of the scene. It's clear Jon wanted to buy time to make sure all his friends could get on the dragon, but what should have happened is that he got knocked/pushed the wrong way during the fight rather than purposefully charging away from the dragon. Viserion's death didn't really make much sense either. Why did the Night King target the flying dragon instead of Drogon, who was grounded, closer and carrying all the people? What should have happened here was they all fly away, and just as you think they made it, Viserion (who is the furthest behind the other two dragons) gets pummpled from below, and falls down as Dany watches, powerless to do anything.
anycullen ... READ MY LIPS .... YESSSSS!! Lmao ... They have endured shit and LEARNT from it ... apparently Jon still thinks he can dance in the snow with the Night's King, just because he was once called JON SNOW.
I'm right there with you Jeremy. This episode was so bad on a storytelling/cinematography level. There were various problems, including the stupid plan to begin with. They could have just taken Dany with them and all this wouldn't have happened. Not only that, Gendry getting to Eastwatch THAT fast, as well as Dany then being able to fly there that fast was ... well. And then of course Jon just standing around fighting Whites far off, even once everyone was on the Dragon. Stupid. Very out of character for Jon too.
I agree with most of what you've said, but I don't think that this was out of character for Jon. Jon has a history of making dumb/emotional choices that result in people getting killed (i.e. when he didn't kill Ygritte and got the other Nightswatch men with Qhorin Halfhand captured/killed, and when he abandoned his own battle strategy in BoB, to name a few).
Sneaky Dexter i don’t think what jeremy was saying is that the episode was bad, he just said what jon did was stupid, and jon is notorious for being stupid the entire series... brave, but stupid. what’s up with the haters trying to turn ppl’s words around and try to push a narrative that everyone hates something just cuz you do lol y’all are so desperate to make GOT fall
I'm not gunna lie... that might have been the hardest death in the whole series for me. I never knew how much I cared about some CGI dragons until that moment... lol. The worst part is, it was totally unnecessary. If this expedition would have never happened, everyone south of the wall would be safe forever. The expedition led to the dragon's death which is the only reason the Night King could get through the wall.
Season 4 Episode 9 (S4E9): "Watchers on the Wall": We saw the Wildlings use massive chains with mammoths attacking the Castle Black gate. Therefore, large chains, big enough for mammoths to pull, exist North of the wall. The army of the dead are North of the wall. Based on this, I must conclude that large chains are available to the White Walkers. I'm not sure why so many people who love the show forget this fact from S4E9?
It would have been cinematically more effective if we just saw the icy lake, with the dead standing around it. The Night King approaches and plunges right into the depths. We hold on the shot for ten seconds of silence and stillness, and the episode ends with the dragon bursting from beneath the water with The Night King riding him into the sky.
Great Owl I agree with you! This is about the 3rd time (that I’ve noticed) in the past few episodes that certain things are getting spoiled just before they happen. There was one that was spoiled a few episodes back where she should have had a bigger reaction, but Brian mentions it 30 seconds before it happens, so I felt the reaction was ruined.
This is season 7 and they are watching it together the first time. They always tell if they were spoiled before bc internet. So what you see are just comments of first time viewers. It can be right or wrong and is just normal.
If you have information based on rumors, trailers, and leaks from the internet KEEP IT TO YOURSELF during the episode so the rest of the people can enjoy it.
Great Owl you are discussing this on a reaction video half a year after airing the episode and after recording the video? Really? Don't you think that this is a personal matter of Hogwarts and group?
The first time Jon steps away from the drogon, I get it. He's stopping the whites that are literally right behind him. After the Dragon Goes Down he should have ran to drogon and not turned around all pissed off because he had a clear moment of nothing coming at him.
Marley Mal they are working on 5 "prequels"(GRRM is working on 3 of them) and gonna choose the script with the most promise. That being said all 5 options are well before any of the characters were even born.
Marley Mal I'm really hoping they pick the Dance of Dragons, seeing Dragons fight each other and seeing how big Vhagar was at the peak of her size would be incredible
i had the same reaction as jeremy at the end, i understand brian's point he was gaining time for everyone to get on drogon but he just kept walking towards the army of the dead killing them when everybody was already on drogon safe ready to leave, i think it was really bad writing and just pissed me off lol , i can get away with all the other little things that didn't make sense in this episode but that was just eehskfbehysaf
It only Seemed like bad writing because you know of the bad consequences of Jon doing that. But in the show, Jon didn't know that. He had No ideal the NK could kill a dragon like that and that they were all in immediate danger. Rather, he thought they were all somewhat safe with both Rhaegar and Viserion flying around burning up the dead and that there was no Immediate need for him to jump on Drogen's back. The other really didn't know that either...and if you remember, Jon only Started doing that anyway when he was cutting down the dead, trying to buy the others time to climb onto Drogen. And then he became a bit carried away and started drifting further and further away from Drogen to continue the fight!
He couldn't just run away after everybody got on the Dragon. There were too many of them around him, and he was wearing a coat even heavier than him, while the wights could run faster. If Jon ran away, he would have been killed or still thrown down into the lake
Master Ace the dragon that got killed was viserion and not drogon if Jon climbed on drogon after he killed a couple ww so they have time to get on the dragon, drogon would’ve probably died instead of viseriion
My thoughts on the Brienne thing are that Sansa sent her away to protect her, similar to Arya and Nymeria. In one of the previous scenes Littlefinger mentions using Brienne against Arya, and I feel like Sansa decided to do the opposite of whatever Littlefinger tries to manipulate her to do.
Kyu2o. Yup, Sansa and LF are playing chess, in 7-4 Arya mentions Brienne's vows to Cat, they quickly pan to Sansa, giving a not so kind side glance to LF, Sansa knows LF could use that. Remember they keep bringing up Vows, Brienne to Cat, Cat to Brienne, Brienne and Jamie twice, Brienne to Sansa, and Sansa to Brienne. Later LF drops it, letter from KL comes, gives Sansa a way to send her away without arousing suspicion from LF,; protecting her, her vows, and Sansa's vows, but it's also a risk to Sansa.
No, Sansa sent Brienne away because LittleFinger had reminded her that Brienne was sworn to Both Stark girls, which meant that Brienne would have no part in any plan to kill Arya. So Sansa got rid of the threat to her plan (Brienne), just like LF suggested. Sansa was briefly considering killing Arya and people need to admit it.
No Sansa wasn't, and don't quote what IHW said, because he was putting his spin on it and was wrong. At worst if charges were true on Arya, Sansa would banish her, not kill her.
Are you kidding? Banish a faceless man (which Sansa believe Arya was)??! That's like banishing a man-eating lion! Sansa knew well that with Arya's training, there could be no such option as Banishment because if Arya wanted to kill her, she would come right back and finish the job. And plus, Sansa knew well that Brienne wouldn't allow her to just banish Arya like that since Brienne was sworn to Both Stark girls. Thus, Sansa had to get rid of Brienne from the picture while she attempted to kill Arya.
1) Hogwarts said she loves Dany at the 8:24 mark!!! Add her to the list! Also, this episode is when I said I loved Dany as well. 2) It's hard to tell, but if you rewatch the scene with Jon fighting the Wights and the Night King killing Viserion, it actually takes place at the same time, just shown from different angles, so Jon didn't actually make it possible for the Night King to kill Viserion. The other dragons couldn't shoot fire there because it would have killed the men as well. Jon wasn't acting stupid, he was just trying to buy time for everyone to get on Drogon. He went the other way because Drogon was killing in one direction, so Jon was trying to kill the wights that were coming from the other direction. He didn't want the Wights to kill the men or to kill Drogon from behind. He didn't know the Night King was capable of killing a dragon, no one did; he was just trying to buy everyone enough time to get on Drogon. Jon was just being what he's always been, a hero. 3) For anyone calling this plan stupid, I agree. For anyone blaming Jon on this plan, I disagree; this was actually Tyrion's plan. I love Tyrion, but man, this season he had nothing but stupid plans. RIP VIserion and Benjen (A STARK has to die in every DAMN SEASON!!! UGH! except seasons 2 and 4)
Mr PaddyThePug oh yeah! They didn’t react to his death! Totally forgot about that! RIP Thoros! The one guy in that group who can actually resurrect people. Lmao. Smh.
I think the scene between Arya and Sansa was actually rather important. For starters, Sansa now knows that Arya is a Faceless Man. That whole speech Arya gave about becoming Sansa was her own creepy was of letting Sansa know what she's capable of and gives her an idea of what went on in Arya's life between the last time they saw each other and being reunited. Also, Arya giving Sansa the knife at the end very explicitly let Sansa know that she was not an enemy. She let Sansa know she was perfectly capable of killing her right then and there, with no one knowing, but she didn't. I think that scene really, really let Sansa know that Arya was not the one she needed to most suspicious of, and also that Littlefinger was already trying to screw with them.
Yeah, but in the behind the scenes, Bran says that there was a deleted scene where Sansa really DOES think Arya's planning against her but then she realizes that she's got her own personal CCTV in Bran, so she goes to him and all is revealed.
Pual Wagnar, that's IHW take, but that isn't how that scene was. Sansa, just takes the dagger to Bran, no words spoken just a fade to black, they left it out because it may have spoiled the ending. Sansa already knows all about LF, except his betrayal and the way he planned to get Sansa isolated, his first gambit, was Brienne, Sansa removed that, his next play was his last lesson and Sansa played him because, before that but after the dagger scene the Starks, compared notes. Bran filled out what Sansa didn't know at KL, and he filled out to Arya what she didn't know about Sansa in KL.
Fire doesn't kill White Walkers guys, only wights as far as we can tell, since fire always recedes in White Walker presence so no point in sending the dragons after them.
At first I thought Arya and Sansa were plotting together against Little Finger, but then after that scene with the faces I didn’t know what to think. I like to believe that Arya definitely knew what LF had been doing, maybe with some help from Bran, and she was playing him, and that scene was to see if Sansa was helping LF or not. If that is what happened it would help to explain their story in the next episode.
What I'd like for season 8 - a mid-air dog fight between dragons with the Night King on his dragon throwing ice javelins, meanwhile they've mounted Qyburn's scorpion weapon on Drogon and Daenerys is flying around firing dragon glass tipped spears back at the Night King.
What an emotional rollercoaster that was, poor Hanna was wrecked by the end. On a side note, something tells me that the Sansa Meter will be skyrocketing by the end of next episode :)
There really was no reason this season could not have been 10 episodes and they could have used that time to slow down a bit and properly flesh out sansa/arya and the time warping parts that don't add up (and the writers admit they fudged that) . That was my only issue with this season it was rushed. There is some epic stuff in here and some great payoffs we've been waiting for all through the season but the season is all smash down into 7 episodes and you can feel it a lot. Sansa/Arya would have made far more sense had there been some more building scenes between them to build tension. I really hope that Season 8 they plan to pace it better. Maybe since all the story arcs are coming together the 6/7 episodes for season 8 will be better paced. I also feel like there was some heavy "plot armor" people like to call it this episodes for so many characters but I think thats because they are saving them for next season. I have a bad feeling we are all going to have heavy hearts by the end of next season.
Hannah's reaction to Tormunds near death experience is exactly how I reacted. Just me internally screaming "No! No! No!" and my eyes watering up while hyperventilating.
I think Arya was playing the Game of Faces, she was being threatening to see if Sansa would realize she was lying. But Sansa didn't catch on, she was too freaked out about the faces. But once Arya gave her the dagger she took away the threat, Sansa knew what she's always known Arya never wanted to be a lady in a castle. So if that was the case, she knew Littlefinger was playing her again, trying to frame Arya for wanting to usurp her, which she knows is ridiculous.
It's not that Sansa didn't catch on, she out rightly refused to play. She's more concerned with what Arya did for those faces and Arya's belligerents towards her. Arya must have been convinced, she gave the dagger to Sansa hilt first and left. so Sansa won that, by not playing and showing her true feelings. Not really a game though, since only one played and still got what she needed.
One of the best reactions from Hannah in this entire series :') I don't think I've ever seen a mouth that wide open before (it was like a black hole lol). Can't believe we are now at the end of Game of Thrones and we have to wait over a year before the final season is out :(
I actually liked all these infightings between the sisters. Cause sometime even if you like your siblings, deep down there are things that you don't like about them that you never say, and it's interesting when it is adressed.
Johnny Skinwalker I agree. Sansa, Arya & Bran need to learn to become the pack they were meant to be. "The lone wolf dies, but the pack survives!" Before & since shit hit the fan for the Starks, they were doing their own thing. Now they need to come together, and trust each other. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen overnight. lol
Yea but before they come together I thought it was interesting to see them confront the issues first. What I like about it is that it helps define characters more.
Real talk, there had always been tension in their relationship. I went into the beginning of the season pretty convinced that Arya was going to kill Sansa. I felt it was foreshadowed by all the times Arya attacked her as children and the Red Woman’s words: “brown eyes, blue eyes, green eyes.. eyes you’ll shut forever..”
OMG. Hannah's sigh of relief when the dragons arrive is exactly why killing off Viserion was so crazy. We have been trained to think that dragons are invincible. Her reactions here were perfect.
Funny... I reacted exactly the same way Jeremy did, when I saw this episode the first time. Now I believe that Jon thought: "cool, daenerys is here, the dragons are here, let us kill the nightking immediately". He underrated his power. Greetings from Germany.
I have read so many comments saying that Jon was stupid. Perhaps - but it was totally in line with the character. Think back - he can be rational. But when you hurt someone he cares about he loses it. Every single time. Always. And plans fall apart. I don't like it, most people don't. They get annoyed. But it is within the limits of this character. Just like Dany burns everyone, or wants to when things don't as she wishes, Jon loses his temper when people he cares about get hurt. Both of their character traits have been consistent throughout the show. Just more examples of the fact that noone i perfect. And it has consequences. About the chains? The white walkers got then the same place they got their armor. From somewhere... :)
I just think that D&D didn't want Jon to become a dragon rider. They are just waiting a special moment with Rhaegal in s8. And that's why they wrote that unnecessary plot armor stupid Jon.
Maybe, who knows. So many loose ends. If he HAD been on a dragon and the Night King shot them down, it would have been so much better. But there you go - its easy to sit in the comfort of my sofa and think I'm smart :)
Very likely. I didn't worry about chains etc. It serves to move the plot along. There are things I choose not to think about, and others that puzzle me. For now, I'll just wait and see what happens next season. The showrunners have taken us this far, I'm sure the end will be good. Yes, I have to defend them, because apparently very few do. Give them a break and let them tell the story is my take on it. (and yes, I am a book reader) Are there things that annoy me? Yes. Are there odd choices? Yes. One thing took me right out of the story this episode - Jon's line ' Thank you Dany' I mean Dany?? Really?? While alot of people are angry with what he does, only one thing really pissed me off. He bent the knee, thereby handing his balls to Dany just like every other man who has met her. So for me he is no longer a hero. He's just a guy. One of the big letdowns of the story this season to me.
"While alot of people are angry with what he does, only one thing really pissed me off. He bent the knee, thereby handing his balls to Dany just like every other man who has met her. So for me he is no longer a hero. He's just a guy. One of the big letdowns of the story this season to me." Well if you remember, Jon Never wanted to be king, and indeed, said as much in front of the northern lords. The only reason he took the job was to help protect the North from the dead. Which means that the second he came to believe that Dany would make a good Queen, and the second she made a commitment to use her armies and dragons to defend the North, he had no problem handing over to her his kingdom. It doesn't take a genius to see that, but its amazing that many fans like to whine about what Jon did.
Honestly the main problem I have with this episode is the amount of almost deaths in it. First there's the Hound almost killed by the bear, Then there's Sansa almost killed by her sister Then there's Tormund almost killed by walkers, Then there's Jon almost killed by walkers and potential drowning, Then there's Drogon almost killed but Night King decided to shoot at a harder target further away, And that's not even counting the sad music that plays suggesting death when we all know the dragons are about to appear.
Mr Anderson let people enjoy things, you aren’t better than anybody just because you nit pick fictional stories to death. have your criticisms but don’t be disrespectful of us who have no shame in liking it & think the season was dope
LadyiSh09 liking something is okay but denying the criticism about its quality is not. Lots of people like Fast and Furious and transformers, they make huge money too but they are horrible movies. The same way show is, lots of people like it, but quality wise it couldn't be more worse.
How can I only deal with one more episode? I've been watching since day one and I can't loose watching the awesome Hannah three times a week watching GOT.
John to Benjen "Come with me." Benjen says "There's no time.." then we watch as there's almost 30 seconds before anything is even close to him...God that pissed me off.
No, he can't pass the wall for the same reasons the Walkers can't which is the magic inscribed into the wall itself. He could have lived on and fought another day and literally a day or two later the wall falls.
Benjen lived on one purpose and I think to save Jon at that moment. He even can't cross the wall it makes sense. Two man on a horse will make the journey back to the wall much slower. Jon can freeze to death.
Pointless death that didn't have to happen. Benjen could have helped warm Jon up or steer the horse to get there faster since he's acclimated to the weather. Days later with the wall down he could come through just as they did and continue to fight for Jon in the coming war. Not die for no reason at all.
You're not really understanding the time they had to both get on the horse and ride away with nothing able to catch him. It was a pointless sacrifice is the issue or just poorly executed. If they were on top of them within a few seconds after but not the time they showed.
Just wanted to send a much deserved thank you to the Hogwarts reaction team. I'm subbed and can't wait to see your notification show up. Everyone of you are appreciated, cheers from Toronto.
Hello crew. First, I am LOVING watching Jeremy react instead of him watching you react. It is great and to have Brian also being able to add opinions on what might happen and be a part of the speculations. Here is what I think about Jon and why he hung around longer, they were having trouble keeping the "specimen" who kept trying to get away and Dany wouldn't take off, so finally Jon got taken under and can you imagine Dany's freak at watching one of her babies go down like that? Oi. This was a great episode in a great season. For me, I love watching the game between Arya and Sansa. It is a dance. I wonder why they aren't tapping into Bran more, right? He could tell them so much about what is going on outside of Winterfell. Ah well. Okay friends. I have to find some WiFi to watch on Saturday and the next episode of GoT's and I am out until Wednesday next week. Have a wonderful holiday, the best Christmas ever to you all. Love and holiday hugs all around...Hannah and HHannah, Brian, Jeremy and the critters. Jules in Portland.
Jon going the other direction reallly didn't make any sense at all. Another thing that didn't make sense was for the white walker to kill Viserion (who was far away flying alone) instead of Drogon, who was the biggest dragon, right in front of him and had the whole crew on his back.
Oh Hannah. Your face during both parts. I love how open you are. It makes watching it so incredible. Thank you to the whole team for all your hard work. You make my day each day you upload :)
Hannah, I understand your feelings about Viserion’s demise. I train service dogs, and have a love for all pups, and I came so close to not watching the show anymore after Ned killed Lady....I was talked into continuing by my bf...however, every wolf death destroyed me, but I never thought I would fall so in love with the dragons, silly CGI beasts that they are. But if I’m truly honest, Drogon might be my favorite character lol. When I saw this episode I cried like an idiot, I still can’t believe how much it hurts me. So I thought your reaction was touching and brave. Love you all 💕
Also, about dany not knowing what to do and not having a game plan. Jon has literally explained nothing to her about them. Their strategies, what they look like, the difference between the wights and white walkers. She doesn't really know what they all look like. Besides he never planned on her having to rescue them anyway so none of that really falls on his shoulders too much.
Ok so what should've happened is they all got on including Jon. Drogon takes off. As they fly away Night King throws an Ice lance at Drogon. Drogon dodges and Jon falls into the lake. Viserion goes back to protect Dany's escape. Viserion is hit. I had a hard time accepting Jon's heroic stupidity as well. :/
Eh? It's clear all of this was a plan from the Night's King (this clearly explains the fact that they were prepared, that Jon and co just conveniently found a small group of Wights and that they had the chains from Hardhome to take Viserion). They still would have surrounded Jon and the others, they still would have been around when Dany came to rescue them. The only way Dany could have saved her dragons would have been not to go... Then they would have froze to death. That's why people think the Night King is a Greenseer. And Jon still falls for all the traps people lay for him, tbh...
bigtang89 not sure about that...sure it happened faster. However, the Night King could’ve been toying with them and either way would’ve likely sent some or all of the wights eventually.
I'm soooo happy to see someone else cry over the dragon dying ....i cried like a baby and was screaming at the tv ....they are Dannys children :( ....thankyou for the great reaction
I can't wait to see Hogwart's reaction to Littlefinger's "trial" next episode. I've never seen a reactor wth this much vicious visceral hatred for Baelish like she has.
I think Jon took the chat with Beric Dondarrion to heart, he wasn't trying to save the group. He had previously just been told maybe they'd been kept alive to kill the Night King. He wasn't running away, he was running towards what he thought he'd been kept alive for. It was only when the groups lives got threatened that he retreated
The men of Stark family have always been a bit stupid and easy to manipulate. The get angry easily and usually act before thinking... and Jon Snow needed more experience points to get to the next level. ;)
This episode was all over the place, but I still liked it. Hogwarts reaction was too much for me! I started bawling with you and I didn't even cry when it happened. Was fun to hear the discussion afterwards, definitely can't wait for the next (and last :'[ ).
Awesome reaction, Hannah's face when the horror of realisation of what's happening as WW pulled out a spear and handed it over to the NK was priceless. I gotta be honest, I personally was more upset with the dragon being killed than even Ned or Rob Stark. Despite feeling for them and routing for their cause, their stupidity and bad decisions contributed a lot into their fall. With Viserion, like.. dragons are these noble creatures that are percieved as dolphins or elephants, in a sense that they are so intelligent and majestic that you just would have the nerve to do anything to hurt them. And seeing this kind of noble creature being murdered so brutally and then added as a weapon to the opposing side was absolutely horryfying. The other part that really got to me and I found important was this is where you realise why NK is truly formidable enemy and not to be fucked with. Like, he had so little screentime and in this screentime his menace level has gone up from level 10 to level 100 immediately. Regarding Jeremy;s point, I have always disagreed with that point overall and here's why. 1. The whole resque mission from Dany was not planned, it happened because they got trapped, so being the last minute decision, you cannot expect it to go smoothly. Just as well as the fact that Dany practically did not yet believe Jon in full of how formidable that advissary is also controbuted to their loss. 2. Jon was trying to buy them time to get eveybody to board a dragon. That part of the lake clearly hasnt been cut off as more and more undead kept pouring in and Jon is that kinda character who would put himself on the line to let others escape. It is perfectly consistent with his character arc and thus there was nothign stupid about it, he was fighting to buy the others time to get on the dragon, while other dragons were meant to cover their retreat. Now, I can agree that the actual writing behind it and playout could have been done a bit better to highlight those main points, cause of that error in filming part it kinda failed to deliver this point to every viewer, thus you end up with a split of those who were fine with it and those who were very pissed about it. Generally, none of these points exclude the fact that the episode (given its significance) could have been written much better and perhaps should have focuse more on the wall. Those scenes with arya and Sansa here were completely unnecessary and could have easily been cut off alltogether imho, while all that screentime could have been used to show more beyond the wall stuff or Dany and Tyrion, who were relevant to the plot here. I mean, we already had episdoes which would dedicate the whole duration of it to one event, so why not make that now? go figure.
That dragon death would have been better if we got to know that dragon more. (They only really develop Drogon) The Night King should aim at Drogon. Jon has so much plot armor. (Never once did I believe that they killed him.) That battle had too many logic failures for Game of Throne. Winterfell storyline is bad. Arya mask should of been magic.
Agreed. The first time I saw it, I was also a basic bitch fan and thought I was good, but after rewatching it and after reading episode analysis online, the more I realize it's got to be the worst episode of GoT ever.
You guys are lucky. I was pissed the very first time I watched this episode. And I felt that way for most of this season. Im legitimatly worried for next season. They seem to be destroying what made the show so good.
Yep. This is the episode that had me all messed up. I was freaking balling when Tormund almost died. It was hard watching him being dragged on the ground as he's crying out, "Help me! Help me!" Thank the gods for the Hound. And then THAT happened with Viserion going down. What a gut wrenching scene that was. So upsetting. Poor Dany. At least now she believes Jon about the dead and the Night King. Can you imagine Jamie's face? He thought seeing Drogon was the worst thing and knowing she's got 2 more of them but imagine when he sees the dead? Oh hell no. He'll freaking pee his pants and go into a coma lol. You KNOW he's gonna want to run and head for the hills as they say. He tried convincing Cersei about the dragons but to no avail. She's bonkers dude. Wish Friday was here cuz there's a moment that it's something I like to watch on repeat from time to time. Til Friday.....PEACE! - Yvette
Jeremy was right , Jon was acting stupidly emotionally charged when he decided to just go Han Solo too far for no reason , the only reason he acted IRRATIONALLY cause they wanted that uncle Benjin plot to happen ,
American Enigma _ which was a pretty useless plot anyway lmao. I feel like they could’ve used Benjen more instead of just the Benjen Ex machina in episode 6, maybe just let Benjen come in the fight before Daenarys shows up and have a litttttle talk with Jon before he dies
American Enigma _ I think it was almost impossible to take off with everyone "on board", while the wights were attacking. Although someone "more expendable" should have done the fighting, it was in Jon's personality to volunteer for this.
It had plot holes, the writing was weak but damn this episode was such a visual spectacle and the adrenaline rush! I enjoyed watching the episode despite all the criticism it received
OH MY MF GOD ! The suspense at the end of part one almost killed me! 😆 Well done Brian, well done. 5:13 Santa (Coldhands) Benjen appears 5:26 "He knows when Jon is sleeping, he knows when he's awake brooding ..." 😇 🎅 *HO HO HO*
I remember when watching this episode for the first time, about the Winterfell story, I was thinking that both Sansa (with listening to LF and confiding in him while repeatedly telling her siblings he isn't to be trusted) and Arya (with obviously not trusting LF at all) were both playing a game, just not together so while playing this game they also are feeling eachother out.
Hogwarts, you do love Tormand, that is the most emotional I have seen you, I was so sure he was going to die when watching this for the first time and was a wreck too.
The only way the sceane, of the lake rescue, make sence to me is if the Night King planed the whole thing. To get the dragon. He can see present or future like Bran. Where do you get giant chains in this world? They had 3 spears to kill 3 dragons. Just my way to like it better.
Raquel Venâncio Season 4 Episode 9 (S4E9): "Watchers on the Wall": We saw the Wildlings use massive chains with mammoths attacking the Castle Black gate. Therefore, large chains, big enough for mammoths to pull, exist North of the wall. The army of the dead are North of the wall. Based on this, I must conclude that large chains are available to the White Walkers. I'm not sure why so many people who love the show forget fact from S4E9?
Sam04019491 Sam04019491 I just don't like that sceane for a few reasons. But thank you for reminding me about the chains. That makes sence. It's possible they got it at Hardhome. Ok. Still think the NK planned to get the dragon.
Of course it was planned. I mean you don't have a massive army of undead circle 7-8ish people for 24 hours - 1 week (who knows) and just stand there and do nothing, unless you are PURPOSELY waiting for 3 Dragons to show up for the exact 3 dragon killing spear/lances you just happen to have, to get you the one thing you need to... well never mind for now. Yes it was 100% planned by the Night King. I mean that army would have just ignored 7 random warriors or just ran them over immediately, hell the night king could have taken them out with spears if that was his goal. It wasn't he wanted the dragons to come.
Seeing the dragon die was so emotional. People get mad with Jon for not getting on the dragon quicker. I'm glad he didn't get on it, because when he first rides a dragon it should be magical. Kind of like when Dany rode Drogon for the fist time. I feel he will ride a dragon and it will be amazing. Great reaction and worth the wait.
Truthfully the "no time" thing actually makes sense, if you consider any wilderness training. Jon is soaking wet, so getting him to a warm and dry area is vital. And a horse rides slower with 2 people. And in some cases the horse just dies.
She's fully in the moment, 'He's gonna kill the dragon', (side-he's gonna kill one of them, Viserion probably). Later, ''thank you cold hands', before she even begins to think about who it could be. There's always one.
Great reaction Hogwarts and Jeremy, well done Hogwarts team! Never mind about John re-engaging with the wights, my WTF moment was Uncle Benjin’s “there is no time” sacrifice. Let’s face it it takes an instant to mount a horse and not much longer for Gendry “Usain Bolt” Baratheon to run to the Wall so there was plenty of time. The show runners probably did that purely so that they did not have to address the “Weirwood / Heart tree issue”.
Not sure if you all know this, but Benjen was in command of Winterfell when Rhaegar came to 'kidnap' Lyanna. Lyanna begged Benjen to let her go, and he did. Alot of people speculate this is why Benjen took the black and why when he is rezzed as a zombie dude all he wants to try and do is win back his family honour.
Why does Hannah think Jon can do no wrong? Even when he did something blatantly stupid and unnecessary she still defends it. Jeremy was spot on there. Why the f did Jon run so far away? There was no point in fighting them off that far. And when a dragon was killed he thought it would be a good idea to keep moving forward and kill more wights instead of getting on the damn dragon. It just made no sense. Loved the reaction though. It was great episode overall and the dynamics between all these different characters gathered together was fun and interesting to watch. I was so sad when Viserion died too. One more to go!
I just realized something. They had Cersei say how she stares at the canopy thinking of how she'll kill her enemies. in S3-10 or 4 -1 Sansa said to Tyrion she stares at the canopy thinking how her Mother and Brother was killed. Just another time of reusing words for situations.
Night King - 2017 Gold Medalist in Javelin throw at the Westerosi Winter Olympics
TheVP thanks
Lol n gentry gold medal 400m
And Sandor for the shot put :)
He was doped by the Russians
AK SALMAN no I was doped by the children of the forest
Story-wise this episode obviously had huge loopholes. But the sheer intensity of this episode. Fucking Awesome!!
Avishek Mukherjee yeah, I can look past the nitpicky things, because it was fucking exhilarating and entertaining. Anybody who can’t look past the “plotholes” and just enjoy it isn’t a true fan.
Austin Gonder I think anybody who gives story and plot a pass and watches the show just for CGI action scenes aren't true fans.
Hannah, you made me tear up with you on the death of the dragon, and I'm a 62 year old man, beautiful reaction, look forward to Friday and also next season with you :)
This episode is saved by the ending (wight Viserion). Otherwise I fucking coudln't get over the fact that Gendry ran back to the wall, sent a raven to Dragonstone (said raven flew to Dragonstone), Dany got the letter and flew all the way to the Wall and saved the day, all in the span of 24 hours.
Bro, Gendry rowed a single-man boat for like 4 years straight. You saying he couldn't run from their position to the wall in less than an hr?
Jeremy is totally right. John went too far away from the dragon and he was literally the reason they had to stay there so long. The writers needed something to give time for the walker to kill the dragon, so they made John act stupid.
exactly
The writing for the whole season was horrendous.
not that jon snow acts stupid most of the time on the show. but of course they MADE him stupid.
They made Jon act stupid AGAIN*
TV-Jon acts stupid quite often (Battle of the Bastards, anyone?) lol
I think he is acting tough because that convo with Beric about protecting everyone and he must kill the night king probably got to him, and when the night king killed the dragon Jon snapped, besides he's a Targaryen they lose their temper. Tho not defending Jon he was really stupid.
Sansa was brilliant. She made Brienne and Pod leave, which protected them. She knew she could trust Arya or hoped she could, to take down LF. Arya never wanted to be a Lady. That was the lynchpin to Sansa knowing this is BS littlefinger. Lf did not know Arya.
LaDonna Louise I think it totally demonstrates the limit of Littlefinger’s knowledge. Yes he has spies and all that, but he could never truly know what went on with Arya or Bran. In the end Bran was the true epitome of what Littlefinger wanted to be. He valued knowledge over all, he thought knowledge was power, but Bran overshadows him in knowledge in every way possible. Unfortunately it was at the cost of most of his personality but hey, sacrifices must be made.
At least in video form.
Knowing you can trust your sister and knowing you can't trust littlefinger is kinda obvious
@@danprince4032 "WELL IT IS A BIT OBVIOUS"
@@danprince4032 Arya & Sansa were never close.
PS there's the emotional Hannah we love
Jim Brown I'm always here for you :)
Jeremy is right, Jon was an idiot in the scene 😶
wayin love CLEARLY ! OBVIOUSLY ! Viserion's death (and even Benjen's death) is totally Jon's fault... I like him anyway but i was soooo mad at him when i saw that episode for the 1st time... But my lovely Dany likes him so i forgive him
Th Ma More like D&D's fault for making this terrible plot
Bruhhh ._. I was just about to say that xD
I think one of the things people seem to ignore about Jon charging forward is the fact that he's been losing every battle he's fought against the White Walkers. Then suddenly the dragons show up and for the first time he's moving towards the Night King. He feels like he can actually win the fight and save everyone.
BlackDerek he was single handedly going to break through to the knights king? If he were smart he would run to Danny and get her to flame them all.
I completely agree with Jeremy, at the end, Jon was a complete Idiot once again and ruined another life. He got most of his army killed in the battle of the bastards, so Sansa had to save him and now he got Viserion killed by not getting on Drogon, there was no need to go on a killing spree to that level, even when Viserion was killed, Jon went to kill more Wights instead of immediately running to a dragon to get to safety because of his own desires and instincts, although he may have good intentions, his actions were so stupid.
Totally with Jeremy on it. And after the dragon dies he STILL tries to go after the Night King instead of running away smh
ninethreefivesix yeah, but don't forget about the conversation he had with Beric that wasn't included in the reaction. Jon had stuck in his mind that if he slew the Night King he could have ended it all right there. He essentially threw caution to the wind just like Jaimie two episodes earlier. All Jon was thinking about was ending the war for the living. Just like Jaimie was only thinking of ending Dany's march to the iron throne when he recklessly charged at a woman standing beside a giant, fire breathing, crocodile, bat monster.
That's Jon's problem. Maybe it's the Targaryen impulsiveness *shrugs* just like at the beginning of BoB, when Rickon gets killed. Jon was so mad that he jumped on that horse and decided to ..oh well, just basically fight Ramsay's army by himself it appears. I love him to pieces but damn, he can be very dumb when it hits close to his heart. That or he has suicidal tendencies.
ninethreefivesix I would say that the writer fucked Jons character. At this point when I want to rewatch all the season I leave season 7 of.
I just think Jon has a special connection with the Night King. Going back to the fight at Hardhome too where they had that look too. There was this guy Bran the Builder who was a Stark too and he could be the Night King. He also could have thrown his lance at Drogon and beat them all but he chose the other dragon. All he wanted was his ice dragon. He has a plan that does not include killing everybody.
Johnny Skinwalker the nights King was stupid to not kill drogon first. Very stupid.
And on this day Jeremy👏spilled👏the👏tea.
JEREMY GETS IT!! I KNOW Hogwarts believes that Jon can do no wrong .... but at this point in time, the wisest Starks are Bran, Sansa & Arya. Jon is a Targaryen idiot and i will never forgive him for Viserion's death. The Showrunners should have planned that scene better .... maybe they should have kept the Night's King in the shadows and surprised us with Viserion's death .... THEN Jon would have had a reason to get emotional and begin his fucking marathon .... THAT WAS SO STUPID OF JON!! Like WTF!!
I wouldn't blame Jon the character as much as the choreography and directing of the scene. It's clear Jon wanted to buy time to make sure all his friends could get on the dragon, but what should have happened is that he got knocked/pushed the wrong way during the fight rather than purposefully charging away from the dragon.
Viserion's death didn't really make much sense either. Why did the Night King target the flying dragon instead of Drogon, who was grounded, closer and carrying all the people? What should have happened here was they all fly away, and just as you think they made it, Viserion (who is the furthest behind the other two
dragons) gets pummpled from below, and falls down as Dany watches, powerless to do anything.
Bran and Sansa the wisest Starks??? Really??? LOL
anycullen ... READ MY LIPS .... YESSSSS!! Lmao ... They have endured shit and LEARNT from it ... apparently Jon still thinks he can dance in the snow with the Night's King, just because he was once called JON SNOW.
Qarymee Presents agreed. Jon Snow has gotten away with a shit load of stuff other characters were killed for.
Jeremy's Reacts. 😂
I'm right there with you Jeremy. This episode was so bad on a storytelling/cinematography level. There were various problems, including the stupid plan to begin with. They could have just taken Dany with them and all this wouldn't have happened. Not only that, Gendry getting to Eastwatch THAT fast, as well as Dany then being able to fly there that fast was ... well. And then of course Jon just standing around fighting Whites far off, even once everyone was on the Dragon. Stupid. Very out of character for Jon too.
I agree with most of what you've said, but I don't think that this was out of character for Jon. Jon has a history of making dumb/emotional choices that result in people getting killed (i.e. when he didn't kill Ygritte and got the other Nightswatch men with Qhorin Halfhand captured/killed, and when he abandoned his own battle strategy in BoB, to name a few).
Sneaky Dexter i don’t think what jeremy was saying is that the episode was bad, he just said what jon did was stupid, and jon is notorious for being stupid the entire series... brave, but stupid. what’s up with the haters trying to turn ppl’s words around and try to push a narrative that everyone hates something just cuz you do lol y’all are so desperate to make GOT fall
@@ladyish0968 if only u knew
@@ak86db if only you knew too
Daario told Jorah...that he'd fall off the Dragon! And he did 😭
Daario is living the good life back in Meereen. lol. I almost feel like we need a sitcom spinoff "Daario", complete with laugh track.
I'm not gunna lie... that might have been the hardest death in the whole series for me. I never knew how much I cared about some CGI dragons until that moment... lol. The worst part is, it was totally unnecessary. If this expedition would have never happened, everyone south of the wall would be safe forever. The expedition led to the dragon's death which is the only reason the Night King could get through the wall.
Season 4 Episode 9 (S4E9): "Watchers on the Wall":
We saw the Wildlings use massive chains with mammoths attacking the Castle Black gate. Therefore, large chains, big enough for mammoths to pull, exist North of the wall. The army of the dead are North of the wall. Based on this, I must conclude that large chains are available to the White Walkers. I'm not sure why so many people who love the show forget this fact from S4E9?
It would have been cinematically more effective if we just saw the icy lake, with the dead standing around it. The Night King approaches and plunges right into the depths. We hold on the shot for ten seconds of silence and stillness, and the episode ends with the dragon bursting from beneath the water with The Night King riding him into the sky.
alienanxiety that chit probably would have added $175,000 to the budget though Holmes.
Great discussion at the end! Thank you, Brian, for leaving it in!
I wholeheartedly disagree with spoiler discussions based on trailers.
Great Owl I agree with you! This is about the 3rd time (that I’ve noticed) in the past few episodes that certain things are getting spoiled just before they happen. There was one that was spoiled a few episodes back where she should have had a bigger reaction, but Brian mentions it 30 seconds before it happens, so I felt the reaction was ruined.
This is season 7 and they are watching it together the first time. They always tell if they were spoiled before bc internet.
So what you see are just comments of first time viewers. It can be right or wrong and is just normal.
If you have information based on rumors, trailers, and leaks from the internet KEEP IT TO YOURSELF during the episode so the rest of the people can enjoy it.
Great Owl you are discussing this on a reaction video half a year after airing the episode and after recording the video? Really? Don't you think that this is a personal matter of Hogwarts and group?
The first time Jon steps away from the drogon, I get it. He's stopping the whites that are literally right behind him. After the Dragon Goes Down he should have ran to drogon and not turned around all pissed off because he had a clear moment of nothing coming at him.
I love this show so much man, I need prequels, I want to know everything about every character.
Marley Mal they are working on 5 "prequels"(GRRM is working on 3 of them) and gonna choose the script with the most promise. That being said all 5 options are well before any of the characters were even born.
Rumor is that they will start it with Aegons Conquest, dunno if its true or not
anycullen21 I don't believe Aegons conquest is one of the options, probably because it's so similar to what Dany is doing now
Yeah guys I heard about the prequels being worked on, whatever we get I think it's gonna be great!
Marley Mal I'm really hoping they pick the Dance of Dragons, seeing Dragons fight each other and seeing how big Vhagar was at the peak of her size would be incredible
i had the same reaction as jeremy at the end, i understand brian's point he was gaining time for everyone to get on drogon but he just kept walking towards the army of the dead killing them when everybody was already on drogon safe ready to leave, i think it was really bad writing and just pissed me off lol , i can get away with all the other little things that didn't make sense in this episode but that was just eehskfbehysaf
It only Seemed like bad writing because you know of the bad consequences of Jon doing that. But in the show, Jon didn't know that. He had No ideal the NK could kill a dragon like that and that they were all in immediate danger. Rather, he thought they were all somewhat safe with both Rhaegar and Viserion flying around burning up the dead and that there was no Immediate need for him to jump on Drogen's back.
The other really didn't know that either...and if you remember, Jon only Started doing that anyway when he was cutting down the dead, trying to buy the others time to climb onto Drogen. And then he became a bit carried away and started drifting further and further away from Drogen to continue the fight!
Undriel Grenger exactly Jon had no idea that mf’er was gonna pull out an ice javelin and Tom Brady a dragon. Hindsight is 20/20
He couldn't just run away after everybody got on the Dragon. There were too many of them around him, and he was wearing a coat even heavier than him, while the wights could run faster. If Jon ran away, he would have been killed or still thrown down into the lake
Master Ace the dragon that got killed was viserion and not drogon if Jon climbed on drogon after he killed a couple ww so they have time to get on the dragon, drogon would’ve probably died instead of viseriion
#TeamJeremy
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My thoughts on the Brienne thing are that Sansa sent her away to protect her, similar to Arya and Nymeria. In one of the previous scenes Littlefinger mentions using Brienne against Arya, and I feel like Sansa decided to do the opposite of whatever Littlefinger tries to manipulate her to do.
kyu2o 33 Exactly!!!
Kyu2o.
Yup, Sansa and LF are playing chess, in 7-4 Arya mentions Brienne's vows to Cat, they quickly pan to Sansa, giving a not so kind side glance to LF, Sansa knows LF could use that.
Remember they keep bringing up Vows, Brienne to Cat, Cat to Brienne, Brienne and Jamie twice, Brienne to Sansa, and Sansa to Brienne. Later LF drops it, letter from KL comes, gives Sansa a way to send her away without arousing suspicion from LF,; protecting her, her vows, and Sansa's vows, but it's also a risk to Sansa.
No, Sansa sent Brienne away because LittleFinger had reminded her that Brienne was sworn to Both Stark girls, which meant that Brienne would have no part in any plan to kill Arya. So Sansa got rid of the threat to her plan (Brienne), just like LF suggested.
Sansa was briefly considering killing Arya and people need to admit it.
No Sansa wasn't, and don't quote what IHW said, because he was putting his spin on it and was wrong.
At worst if charges were true on Arya, Sansa would banish her, not kill her.
Are you kidding? Banish a faceless man (which Sansa believe Arya was)??! That's like banishing a man-eating lion! Sansa knew well that with Arya's training, there could be no such option as Banishment because if Arya wanted to kill her, she would come right back and finish the job.
And plus, Sansa knew well that Brienne wouldn't allow her to just banish Arya like that since Brienne was sworn to Both Stark girls. Thus, Sansa had to get rid of Brienne from the picture while she attempted to kill Arya.
1) Hogwarts said she loves Dany at the 8:24 mark!!! Add her to the list! Also, this episode is when I said I loved Dany as well.
2) It's hard to tell, but if you rewatch the scene with Jon fighting the Wights and the Night King killing Viserion, it actually takes place at the same time, just shown from different angles, so Jon didn't actually make it possible for the Night King to kill Viserion. The other dragons couldn't shoot fire there because it would have killed the men as well. Jon wasn't acting stupid, he was just trying to buy time for everyone to get on Drogon. He went the other way because Drogon was killing in one direction, so Jon was trying to kill the wights that were coming from the other direction. He didn't want the Wights to kill the men or to kill Drogon from behind. He didn't know the Night King was capable of killing a dragon, no one did; he was just trying to buy everyone enough time to get on Drogon. Jon was just being what he's always been, a hero.
3) For anyone calling this plan stupid, I agree. For anyone blaming Jon on this plan, I disagree; this was actually Tyrion's plan. I love Tyrion, but man, this season he had nothing but stupid plans. RIP VIserion and Benjen (A STARK has to die in every DAMN SEASON!!! UGH! except seasons 2 and 4)
And thoros
Mr PaddyThePug oh yeah! They didn’t react to his death! Totally forgot about that! RIP Thoros! The one guy in that group who can actually resurrect people. Lmao. Smh.
And Hogwart's face when TORMUND was attacked by those wights! EPIC!
Jon playing 'Left 4 Dead' must be that annoying newbie that stays behind while everyone is already in the safe-house. MUST have those 10 more kills...
This episode ripped my heart out. RIP Viserion 😩
I think the scene between Arya and Sansa was actually rather important. For starters, Sansa now knows that Arya is a Faceless Man. That whole speech Arya gave about becoming Sansa was her own creepy was of letting Sansa know what she's capable of and gives her an idea of what went on in Arya's life between the last time they saw each other and being reunited. Also, Arya giving Sansa the knife at the end very explicitly let Sansa know that she was not an enemy. She let Sansa know she was perfectly capable of killing her right then and there, with no one knowing, but she didn't. I think that scene really, really let Sansa know that Arya was not the one she needed to most suspicious of, and also that Littlefinger was already trying to screw with them.
Yeah, but in the behind the scenes, Bran says that there was a deleted scene where Sansa really DOES think Arya's planning against her but then she realizes that she's got her own personal CCTV in Bran, so she goes to him and all is revealed.
Pual Wagnar,
that's IHW take, but that isn't how that scene was.
Sansa, just takes the dagger to Bran, no words spoken just a fade to black, they left it out because it may have spoiled the ending.
Sansa already knows all about LF, except his betrayal and the way he planned to get Sansa isolated, his first gambit, was Brienne, Sansa removed that, his next play was his last lesson and Sansa played him because, before that but after the dagger scene the Starks, compared notes.
Bran filled out what Sansa didn't know at KL, and he filled out to Arya what she didn't know about Sansa in KL.
Uh she could accomplish that without being a psychopath threatening her sister. Nothing about the Arya Sansa bran Baelish story adds up logically.
Fire doesn't kill White Walkers guys, only wights as far as we can tell, since fire always recedes in White Walker presence so no point in sending the dragons after them.
Hannah's face when the dragon died is my new favorite thing!
At first I thought Arya and Sansa were plotting together against Little Finger, but then after that scene with the faces I didn’t know what to think. I like to believe that Arya definitely knew what LF had been doing, maybe with some help from Bran, and she was playing him, and that scene was to see if Sansa was helping LF or not. If that is what happened it would help to explain their story in the next episode.
What I'd like for season 8 - a mid-air dog fight between dragons with the Night King on his dragon throwing ice javelins, meanwhile they've mounted Qyburn's scorpion weapon on Drogon and Daenerys is flying around firing dragon glass tipped spears back at the Night King.
WHAT an episode , i was emotionally destroyed by the end of it though
Jon sucked amazeballs and Viserion just died for nothing. If only Viserion had a rider, and someone had focused on the Night's King.
What an emotional rollercoaster that was, poor Hanna was wrecked by the end. On a side note, something tells me that the Sansa Meter will be skyrocketing by the end of next episode :)
elapid68 I believe so. 😂
There really was no reason this season could not have been 10 episodes and they could have used that time to slow down a bit and properly flesh out sansa/arya and the time warping parts that don't add up (and the writers admit they fudged that) . That was my only issue with this season it was rushed. There is some epic stuff in here and some great payoffs we've been waiting for all through the season but the season is all smash down into 7 episodes and you can feel it a lot. Sansa/Arya would have made far more sense had there been some more building scenes between them to build tension. I really hope that Season 8 they plan to pace it better. Maybe since all the story arcs are coming together the 6/7 episodes for season 8 will be better paced. I also feel like there was some heavy "plot armor" people like to call it this episodes for so many characters but I think thats because they are saving them for next season. I have a bad feeling we are all going to have heavy hearts by the end of next season.
That is your only issue in s7? How about episode 6? That whole episode is nothing but a nonsensical one.
Well, clearly season 8 was way worse
Well...unfortunately with all of season 7s terrible issues...season 8 was a million times worse lol
Hannah's reaction to Tormunds near death experience is exactly how I reacted. Just me internally screaming "No! No! No!" and my eyes watering up while hyperventilating.
I think Arya was playing the Game of Faces, she was being threatening to see if Sansa would realize she was lying. But Sansa didn't catch on, she was too freaked out about the faces. But once Arya gave her the dagger she took away the threat, Sansa knew what she's always known Arya never wanted to be a lady in a castle. So if that was the case, she knew Littlefinger was playing her again, trying to frame Arya for wanting to usurp her, which she knows is ridiculous.
It's not that Sansa didn't catch on, she out rightly refused to play. She's more concerned with what Arya did for those faces and Arya's belligerents towards her.
Arya must have been convinced, she gave the dagger to Sansa hilt first and left. so Sansa won that, by not playing and showing her true feelings. Not really a game though, since only one played and still got what she needed.
TheCsel oops, I wrote almost the same thing, but not so eloquently
One of the best reactions from Hannah in this entire series :')
I don't think I've ever seen a mouth that wide open before (it was like a black hole lol).
Can't believe we are now at the end of Game of Thrones and we have to wait over a year before the final season is out :(
Gotta say...Olympic fucking gold medal throw!
I actually liked all these infightings between the sisters. Cause sometime even if you like your siblings, deep down there are things that you don't like about them that you never say, and it's interesting when it is adressed.
Johnny Skinwalker I agree. Sansa, Arya & Bran need to learn to become the pack they were meant to be. "The lone wolf dies, but the pack survives!" Before & since shit hit the fan for the Starks, they were doing their own thing. Now they need to come together, and trust each other. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen overnight. lol
Yea but before they come together I thought it was interesting to see them confront the issues first. What I like about it is that it helps define characters more.
Johnny Skinwalker Absolutely! 😃
Makes them realistic.
Real talk, there had always been tension in their relationship. I went into the beginning of the season pretty convinced that Arya was going to kill Sansa. I felt it was foreshadowed by all the times Arya attacked her as children and the Red Woman’s words: “brown eyes, blue eyes, green eyes.. eyes you’ll shut forever..”
.... it has been 84 years! FINALLY
"What was he doing" - That about sums up Jon's life
OMG. Hannah's sigh of relief when the dragons arrive is exactly why killing off Viserion was so crazy. We have been trained to think that dragons are invincible. Her reactions here were perfect.
Funny... I reacted exactly the same way Jeremy did, when I saw this episode the first time. Now I believe that Jon thought: "cool, daenerys is here, the dragons are here, let us kill the nightking immediately". He underrated his power. Greetings from Germany.
I have read so many comments saying that Jon was stupid. Perhaps - but it was totally in line with the character. Think back - he can be rational. But when you hurt someone he cares about he loses it. Every single time. Always. And plans fall apart. I don't like it, most people don't. They get annoyed. But it is within the limits of this character. Just like Dany burns everyone, or wants to when things don't as she wishes, Jon loses his temper when people he cares about get hurt. Both of their character traits have been consistent throughout the show. Just more examples of the fact that noone i perfect. And it has consequences. About the chains? The white walkers got then the same place they got their armor. From somewhere... :)
I just think that D&D didn't want Jon to become a dragon rider. They are just waiting a special moment with Rhaegal in s8. And that's why they wrote that unnecessary plot armor stupid Jon.
Maybe, who knows. So many loose ends. If he HAD been on a dragon and the Night King shot them down, it would have been so much better. But there you go - its easy to sit in the comfort of my sofa and think I'm smart :)
Bettina Nielsen They prolly got em from Hardhome!
Very likely. I didn't worry about chains etc. It serves to move the plot along. There are things I choose not to think about, and others that puzzle me. For now, I'll just wait and see what happens next season. The showrunners have taken us this far, I'm sure the end will be good. Yes, I have to defend them, because apparently very few do. Give them a break and let them tell the story is my take on it. (and yes, I am a book reader) Are there things that annoy me? Yes. Are there odd choices? Yes. One thing took me right out of the story this episode - Jon's line ' Thank you Dany' I mean Dany?? Really?? While alot of people are angry with what he does, only one thing really pissed me off. He bent the knee, thereby handing his balls to Dany just like every other man who has met her. So for me he is no longer a hero. He's just a guy. One of the big letdowns of the story this season to me.
"While alot of people are angry with what he does, only one thing really pissed me off. He bent the knee, thereby handing his balls to Dany just like every other man who has met her. So for me he is no longer a hero. He's just a guy. One of the big letdowns of the story this season to me."
Well if you remember, Jon Never wanted to be king, and indeed, said as much in front of the northern lords. The only reason he took the job was to help protect the North from the dead. Which means that the second he came to believe that Dany would make a good Queen, and the second she made a commitment to use her armies and dragons to defend the North, he had no problem handing over to her his kingdom.
It doesn't take a genius to see that, but its amazing that many fans like to whine about what Jon did.
Honestly the main problem I have with this episode is the amount of almost deaths in it.
First there's the Hound almost killed by the bear,
Then there's Sansa almost killed by her sister
Then there's Tormund almost killed by walkers,
Then there's Jon almost killed by walkers and potential drowning,
Then there's Drogon almost killed but Night King decided to shoot at a harder target further away,
And that's not even counting the sad music that plays suggesting death when we all know the dragons are about to appear.
Mr Anderson let people enjoy things, you aren’t better than anybody just because you nit pick fictional stories to death. have your criticisms but don’t be disrespectful of us who have no shame in liking it & think the season was dope
LadyiSh09 liking something is okay but denying the criticism about its quality is not. Lots of people like Fast and Furious and transformers, they make huge money too but they are horrible movies. The same way show is, lots of people like it, but quality wise it couldn't be more worse.
How can I only deal with one more episode? I've been watching since day one and I can't loose watching the awesome Hannah three times a week watching GOT.
John to Benjen "Come with me." Benjen says "There's no time.." then we watch as there's almost 30 seconds before anything is even close to him...God that pissed me off.
No, he can't pass the wall for the same reasons the Walkers can't which is the magic inscribed into the wall itself. He could have lived on and fought another day and literally a day or two later the wall falls.
Benjen lived on one purpose and I think to save Jon at that moment. He even can't cross the wall it makes sense. Two man on a horse will make the journey back to the wall much slower. Jon can freeze to death.
Pointless death that didn't have to happen. Benjen could have helped warm Jon up or steer the horse to get there faster since he's acclimated to the weather. Days later with the wall down he could come through just as they did and continue to fight for Jon in the coming war. Not die for no reason at all.
Benjen couldn't cross The Wall anyway so he bought time for his nephew to escape.
You're not really understanding the time they had to both get on the horse and ride away with nothing able to catch him. It was a pointless sacrifice is the issue or just poorly executed. If they were on top of them within a few seconds after but not the time they showed.
Just wanted to send a much deserved thank you to the Hogwarts reaction team. I'm subbed and can't wait to see your notification show up. Everyone of you are appreciated, cheers from Toronto.
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Hello crew. First, I am LOVING watching Jeremy react instead of him watching you react. It is great and to have Brian also being able to add opinions on what might happen and be a part of the speculations. Here is what I think about Jon and why he hung around longer, they were having trouble keeping the "specimen" who kept trying to get away and Dany wouldn't take off, so finally Jon got taken under and can you imagine Dany's freak at watching one of her babies go down like that? Oi. This was a great episode in a great season. For me, I love watching the game between Arya and Sansa. It is a dance. I wonder why they aren't tapping into Bran more, right? He could tell them so much about what is going on outside of Winterfell. Ah well. Okay friends. I have to find some WiFi to watch on Saturday and the next episode of GoT's and I am out until Wednesday next week. Have a wonderful holiday, the best Christmas ever to you all. Love and holiday hugs all around...Hannah and HHannah, Brian, Jeremy and the critters. Jules in Portland.
I’m with Jeremy! Jon could have stayed in one spot instead getting out of there
The music was absolutely beautiful when Dany and the Dragons arrived, I wonder if it's new?
it's called against all odds :)
Thanks so much you guys! 😊
Jon going the other direction reallly didn't make any sense at all.
Another thing that didn't make sense was for the white walker to kill Viserion (who was far away flying alone) instead of Drogon, who was the biggest dragon, right in front of him and had the whole crew on his back.
Oh Hannah. Your face during both parts. I love how open you are. It makes watching it so incredible. Thank you to the whole team for all your hard work. You make my day each day you upload :)
Hannah, I understand your feelings about Viserion’s demise. I train service dogs, and have a love for all pups, and I came so close to not watching the show anymore after Ned killed Lady....I was talked into continuing by my bf...however, every wolf death destroyed me, but I never thought I would fall so in love with the dragons, silly CGI beasts that they are. But if I’m truly honest, Drogon might be my favorite character lol. When I saw this episode I cried like an idiot, I still can’t believe how much it hurts me. So I thought your reaction was touching and brave. Love you all 💕
Also, about dany not knowing what to do and not having a game plan. Jon has literally explained nothing to her about them. Their strategies, what they look like, the difference between the wights and white walkers. She doesn't really know what they all look like. Besides he never planned on her having to rescue them anyway so none of that really falls on his shoulders too much.
Well he showed her pictures, that he drew the night before.
PJFSr haha so true
I would have LOVED to have seen the reaction to this entire episode in real time… ;)
"That was SO STUPID!" Completely agree, Jeremy
Ok so what should've happened is they all got on including Jon. Drogon takes off. As they fly away Night King throws an Ice lance at Drogon. Drogon dodges and Jon falls into the lake. Viserion goes back to protect Dany's escape. Viserion is hit. I had a hard time accepting Jon's heroic stupidity as well. :/
Jeremy’s face when the night king bring the dragon as a white walker 😂
Sweet satisfaction.....
I can’t believe I still cry when I see this episode!!!!
Loving it
Blame the hound, if the hound would've never started throwing rocks at the dead ppl, they wouldn't be in that situation.
Eh? It's clear all of this was a plan from the Night's King (this clearly explains the fact that they were prepared, that Jon and co just conveniently found a small group of Wights and that they had the chains from Hardhome to take Viserion). They still would have surrounded Jon and the others, they still would have been around when Dany came to rescue them. The only way Dany could have saved her dragons would have been not to go... Then they would have froze to death. That's why people think the Night King is a Greenseer. And Jon still falls for all the traps people lay for him, tbh...
bigtang89 not sure about that...sure it happened faster. However, the Night King could’ve been toying with them and either way would’ve likely sent some or all of the wights eventually.
I'm soooo happy to see someone else cry over the dragon dying ....i cried like a baby and was screaming at the tv ....they are Dannys children :( ....thankyou for the great reaction
I can't wait to see Hogwart's reaction to Littlefinger's "trial" next episode.
I've never seen a reactor wth this much vicious visceral hatred for Baelish like she has.
I think Jon took the chat with Beric Dondarrion to heart, he wasn't trying to save the group. He had previously just been told maybe they'd been kept alive to kill the Night King. He wasn't running away, he was running towards what he thought he'd been kept alive for. It was only when the groups lives got threatened that he retreated
The special effects in this series are so amazing we forget they are special effects.
The men of Stark family have always been a bit stupid and easy to manipulate. The get angry easily and usually act before thinking... and Jon Snow needed more experience points to get to the next level. ;)
This episode was all over the place, but I still liked it. Hogwarts reaction was too much for me! I started bawling with you and I didn't even cry when it happened. Was fun to hear the discussion afterwards, definitely can't wait for the next (and last :'[ ).
Awesome reaction, Hannah's face when the horror of realisation of what's happening as WW pulled out a spear and handed it over to the NK was priceless. I gotta be honest, I personally was more upset with the dragon being killed than even Ned or Rob Stark. Despite feeling for them and routing for their cause, their stupidity and bad decisions contributed a lot into their fall. With Viserion, like.. dragons are these noble creatures that are percieved as dolphins or elephants, in a sense that they are so intelligent and majestic that you just would have the nerve to do anything to hurt them. And seeing this kind of noble creature being murdered so brutally and then added as a weapon to the opposing side was absolutely horryfying. The other part that really got to me and I found important was this is where you realise why NK is truly formidable enemy and not to be fucked with. Like, he had so little screentime and in this screentime his menace level has gone up from level 10 to level 100 immediately.
Regarding Jeremy;s point, I have always disagreed with that point overall and here's why.
1. The whole resque mission from Dany was not planned, it happened because they got trapped, so being the last minute decision, you cannot expect it to go smoothly. Just as well as the fact that Dany practically did not yet believe Jon in full of how formidable that advissary is also controbuted to their loss.
2. Jon was trying to buy them time to get eveybody to board a dragon. That part of the lake clearly hasnt been cut off as more and more undead kept pouring in and Jon is that kinda character who would put himself on the line to let others escape. It is perfectly consistent with his character arc and thus there was nothign stupid about it, he was fighting to buy the others time to get on the dragon, while other dragons were meant to cover their retreat.
Now, I can agree that the actual writing behind it and playout could have been done a bit better to highlight those main points, cause of that error in filming part it kinda failed to deliver this point to every viewer, thus you end up with a split of those who were fine with it and those who were very pissed about it. Generally, none of these points exclude the fact that the episode (given its significance) could have been written much better and perhaps should have focuse more on the wall. Those scenes with arya and Sansa here were completely unnecessary and could have easily been cut off alltogether imho, while all that screentime could have been used to show more beyond the wall stuff or Dany and Tyrion, who were relevant to the plot here. I mean, we already had episdoes which would dedicate the whole duration of it to one event, so why not make that now? go figure.
That dragon death would have been better if we got to know that dragon more. (They only really develop Drogon) The Night King should aim at Drogon. Jon has so much plot armor. (Never once did I believe that they killed him.) That battle had too many logic failures for Game of Throne. Winterfell storyline is bad. Arya mask should of been magic.
Mr Anderson Literally everybody predicted one of the dragon is definitely gonna die, that wasn't shocking or sad at all
The dragon's death for the audience should of felt like Jon's death, Red Wedding, or Hodor's death impact. It never came close to that.
Sherwin Lui Jons death didn't feel impactful because everyone knew he has plot armor until the white walkers are defeated
I love this Jeremy! Where have you been? 😂😂😂
This episode was good on first viewing but the more i think about it the worst it gets
Agreed. The first time I saw it, I was also a basic bitch fan and thought I was good, but after rewatching it and after reading episode analysis online, the more I realize it's got to be the worst episode of GoT ever.
You guys are lucky. I was pissed the very first time I watched this episode. And I felt that way for most of this season. Im legitimatly worried for next season. They seem to be destroying what made the show so good.
Sander totally
Thats because they didnt make the show good, the guy who wrote the books did, and they dont have any more books to go off
No sleepy Hannah? (I'm imagining her at the end popping up off the couch from a nice nap, "did I miss it?")
haha she actually WAS asleep but not in the room - jet lagged and such
Jon's Targaryen side came out when Viserion was killed by the Night King.
Really appreciate when you leave the discussion in the end, interesting to hear your thoughts!!
Yep. This is the episode that had me all messed up. I was freaking balling when Tormund almost died. It was hard watching him being dragged on the ground as he's crying out, "Help me! Help me!" Thank the gods for the Hound. And then THAT happened with Viserion going down. What a gut wrenching scene that was. So upsetting. Poor Dany. At least now she believes Jon about the dead and the Night King. Can you imagine Jamie's face? He thought seeing Drogon was the worst thing and knowing she's got 2 more of them but imagine when he sees the dead? Oh hell no. He'll freaking pee his pants and go into a coma lol. You KNOW he's gonna want to run and head for the hills as they say. He tried convincing Cersei about the dragons but to no avail. She's bonkers dude. Wish Friday was here cuz there's a moment that it's something I like to watch on repeat from time to time. Til Friday.....PEACE! - Yvette
I think Arya was traying to show Sansa she is not interested in being lady of winterfell that's why she stopped in the last second
I'm so happy you guys enjoyed this episode, I hated it sooo much when i first saw it
Jeremy was right , Jon was acting stupidly emotionally charged when he decided to just go Han Solo too far for no reason , the only reason he acted IRRATIONALLY cause they wanted that uncle Benjin plot to happen ,
American Enigma _ which was a pretty useless plot anyway lmao. I feel like they could’ve used Benjen more instead of just the Benjen Ex machina in episode 6, maybe just let Benjen come in the fight before Daenarys shows up and have a litttttle talk with Jon before he dies
American Enigma _ almost all of the stark men at some point act really emotionally/irrationally it seems to be in their blood
American Enigma _ I think it was almost impossible to take off with everyone "on board", while the wights were attacking. Although someone "more expendable" should have done the fighting, it was in Jon's personality to volunteer for this.
It had plot holes, the writing was weak but damn this episode was such a visual spectacle and the adrenaline rush! I enjoyed watching the episode despite all the criticism it received
OH MY MF GOD ! The suspense at the end of part one almost killed me! 😆
Well done Brian, well done.
5:13 Santa (Coldhands) Benjen appears
5:26 "He knows when Jon is sleeping, he knows when he's awake brooding ..." 😇
🎅 *HO HO HO*
I remember when watching this episode for the first time, about the Winterfell story, I was thinking that both Sansa (with listening to LF and confiding in him while repeatedly telling her siblings he isn't to be trusted) and Arya (with obviously not trusting LF at all) were both playing a game, just not together so while playing this game they also are feeling eachother out.
Lol Jeremy was spot on.
I'm with Jeremy on this one. Not the only stupid thing storywise in this episode though, imo.
Hogwarts, you do love Tormand, that is the most emotional I have seen you, I was so sure he was going to die when watching this for the first time and was a wreck too.
The only way the sceane, of the lake rescue, make sence to me is if the Night King planed the whole thing. To get the dragon. He can see present or future like Bran. Where do you get giant chains in this world? They had 3 spears to kill 3 dragons. Just my way to like it better.
Raquel Venâncio
Season 4 Episode 9 (S4E9): "Watchers on the Wall":
We saw the Wildlings use massive chains with mammoths attacking the Castle Black gate. Therefore, large chains, big enough for mammoths to pull, exist North of the wall. The army of the dead are North of the wall. Based on this, I must conclude that large chains are available to the White Walkers. I'm not sure why so many people who love the show forget fact from S4E9?
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I just don't like that sceane for a few reasons. But thank you for reminding me about the chains. That makes sence. It's possible they got it at Hardhome. Ok.
Still think the NK planned to get the dragon.
Of course it was planned. I mean you don't have a massive army of undead circle 7-8ish people for 24 hours - 1 week (who knows) and just stand there and do nothing, unless you are PURPOSELY waiting for 3 Dragons to show up for the exact 3 dragon killing spear/lances you just happen to have, to get you the one thing you need to... well never mind for now. Yes it was 100% planned by the Night King. I mean that army would have just ignored 7 random warriors or just ran them over immediately, hell the night king could have taken them out with spears if that was his goal. It wasn't he wanted the dragons to come.
"Nobody died this episode."
Thoros of Myr: Uuummmm...
Seeing the dragon die was so emotional. People get mad with Jon for not getting on the dragon quicker. I'm glad he didn't get on it, because when he first rides a dragon it should be magical. Kind of like when Dany rode Drogon for the fist time. I feel he will ride a dragon and it will be amazing.
Great reaction and worth the wait.
-Fast travel : Enabled
-Plot armor : Enabled
-Bad writing : Fucking Enabled
Uncle Benjen deserved so much better bro. The Lone Wolf!
You know it’s an emotional episode when the tissues come out for the first time in the GoT Hogwarts series haha
Truthfully the "no time" thing actually makes sense, if you consider any wilderness training. Jon is soaking wet, so getting him to a warm and dry area is vital. And a horse rides slower with 2 people. And in some cases the horse just dies.
She's fully in the moment, 'He's gonna kill the dragon', (side-he's gonna kill one of them, Viserion probably). Later, ''thank you cold hands', before she even begins to think about who it could be. There's always one.
It’s not an ice dragon. There are ice dragon in game of thrones lore but they look completely different. This is a wight dragon.
Great reaction Hogwarts and Jeremy, well done Hogwarts team!
Never mind about John re-engaging with the wights, my WTF moment was Uncle Benjin’s “there is no time” sacrifice. Let’s face it it takes an instant to mount a horse and not much longer for Gendry “Usain Bolt” Baratheon to run to the Wall so there was plenty of time. The show runners probably did that purely so that they did not have to address the “Weirwood / Heart tree issue”.
Not sure if you all know this, but Benjen was in command of Winterfell when Rhaegar came to 'kidnap' Lyanna. Lyanna begged Benjen to let her go, and he did. Alot of people speculate this is why Benjen took the black and why when he is rezzed as a zombie dude all he wants to try and do is win back his family honour.
on a side note Jeremy's face when he knew the dragon's eyes will open blue in comparison to Hannah's is an epic oxymoron 👌😂😂❤
Why does Hannah think Jon can do no wrong? Even when he did something blatantly stupid and unnecessary she still defends it. Jeremy was spot on there. Why the f did Jon run so far away? There was no point in fighting them off that far. And when a dragon was killed he thought it would be a good idea to keep moving forward and kill more wights instead of getting on the damn dragon. It just made no sense.
Loved the reaction though. It was great episode overall and the dynamics between all these different characters gathered together was fun and interesting to watch. I was so sad when Viserion died too. One more to go!
I just realized something. They had Cersei say how she stares at the canopy thinking of how she'll kill her enemies. in S3-10 or 4 -1 Sansa said to Tyrion she stares at the canopy thinking how her Mother and Brother was killed.
Just another time of reusing words for situations.
Not a tear for Benjen. We lost another Stark (very important one) in this episode.
Just a heads up: remember, the Night's King is a greenseer. He planned that entire encounter. Everything. The chains, the ice-spikes, the army...