Not that Alex wasnt one of the greatest gens ever but I think the sarissa a new tech at the time played a larger role in Alex's success then people would like to hear
I had a battle as Parthia on the imperator campaign with 3 full stacks of my units and four full stacks of theirs in the dessert! It took an hour and. 5 minutes to win haha
This was a pretty big battle, does anyone know if unit stutter has been fixed in larger battles in Rome 2 because i didn't see any videos in this video.
You really have plenty of historical informations i am from greece and really like your videos you are right about the refomation in army that king Fillipe has done but the gtreatest change has come from Alexander with his 6feet pikes .Thats all thanks for the amazing videos
I would love to know when the leaders of the army started staying in the back away from the fighting and how they were able to do this when for so long leaders would fight side by side with there men.
please do the battle of issus or the ambush of lake trasamine (by hannibal barca) or the siege of saguntum or the siege of the parthian capital (at the time of marcus aurelius i totally forgot that name though) or illyricum or the battle of the catalaunian plains
I fought a battle with arcattila1214 (your ally) yesterday haha he was a polite player (: and v cool battle! ps: can't wait untill the next part in your first punic wars series (:
Isocrates, the Athenian orator and founder of "enslave the barbarians" moto, which he used to say at the Olympics, had a very good opinion for Phillip wanted him to be the unifier and leader of Greeks. Calling for unity almost his entire life, seing Greeks fighting again each other once again, at the battle of Chaeronia, he went at hunger strike as a form of protest and died. I thing at the age of 97 or something. To an Irony, 5-6 yrs later, Persian empire would seest to exist. I am very surprised u know him. He tried and send letters to any ruller he would see fit for the cause. He wrote even at the Tyrrant of Syracuse who at the time was a great man. I think it was Agathocles.
Alexander disliked this video. Awesome video and battle, I heard about the find of Philip 2nd but did not know about the facial reconstruction so going to check that out, thanks!
this was pretty great..it sort of shows also how commanders (players) with less experience can be the downfall of the battle which was like how real life was..great job to all players though
republic of macedonia? lol even if you can steal a name you cant steal the history of a nation. Macedonia like Athens, Sparta, Syracuse belong to Greek history and no individual can deny this.
MichailPL Yes! Greeks, especealy DEMOSTEN (famous greek) denied Macedonians as a Greeks, Greeks called Macedonains "barbarians from the north" After the battle of cheronea Theb was smashed! Thousand greeks where killed. Macedonians for Greeks where something like Hitler for Jewish... macedonians and greeks was and today are the dinstinct nations. And I cant steal something that is mine, but u can, and u stealed in 1912, when your country ocupated Agean Macedonia .. never before 1912 Agean part of MACEDONIA was Greek. In 1980 greeks launched their propaganda about "GREEK MACEDONIA" and bla bla.. never before
Cavalry not Calvary. sorry. I just have been watching a lot of your videos lately and you say it like that in all of the ones I've seen so far. It's not a big deal but I die a little inside each time hahaha love the vids
*Goes all gladiator* "My history's a bit hazy, but didn't the Greeks lose the battle of Chaeronea?" Haha good video though. I'd be interested to see how an actual attempt to reenact the battle would go, i.e. no cavalry for the Greeks, battle formations as accurate as possible to the actual event.
Morti 1 and so what if one city state was democracy?... thats mean that she cant enter in federation, with others "non democratic" city states?? Greeks unites many times tro history,sucefull.. but against Macedonia they loosed...
тулум башија I'm not trying to start an argument, what are you doing? I was just saying Athens was a democracy nad not a Kingdom. I never said THFC was a shit you tuber or something like that, if I thought he was then I wouldn't have subscribed to him.
these massive battles had great potential,but I feel they are squandered by the constant unrelenting commentary,I don't mean to be offensive,just my opinion I think a lot of what is being said can be deduced by the viewers themselves
They did, but Thebes wasn't a major player at the time of the rise of the Roman empire so they are not present in the game. I believe the closest they could have gotten would have been Epirus but I may have my geography wrong.
Alex Sitaras Indeed Heck, if memory serves, I believe Thebes was really more of a "figurehead power" even before the rise of Macedon. Their high point had already come and gone.
isin't it kind of weird they had their strongest and most veteran troops on one flank, the weaker ones in the middle and the most weakest on the other flank? I mean isin't the middle a very crucial part of the battle to win? I mean so are the flanks but still, it makes more sense to have you forces spread out evenly, what if the enemy is to attack your weakest side and you need to rush your veterans from across the other side of the battlefield to aid that flank? .... I know it's historicly accuarte but WHY lol
I thin that is because of the oblique order of battle. You want your veteran troops to achieve a breakthrough on one flank with a decisive assault inexperienced troops are not capable of doing, while the more inexperienced troops just pin the opponent on the other side. And then the veterans can exploit the breakthrough and attack from the flank, roll up the enemy and get the job done. :)
Nazdreg1 ah i see but what if both armies are equally as strong and both break through on a flank, won't that just turn the battles field 90 degrees with the now surviving veterans facing eachother?
Well of course if you match a tactic with the exact same tactic generally you become equal again. So of course if the other side has the same idea, you get a 90° angled battle. If not, you will have problems on one flank, but win decisively on the other. But it is also just an idea, I have no idea if that is true or not.
If your doing a historical battle, make it more accurate, if not, don't bother. This video is neither historically accurate or fun. Keep up the good work :DD
This battle falls squarely in my massive battles series where I just bring you large scale action. Often I will theme these engagements to give them more of a sense of purpose or basis in reality... if you are looking for realism I would refer you to my actual history documentaries
So the most 'honour' is in fighting the weakest troops, in the enemy formation, on the battlefield? It wouldn't do to have too many honourable people dying afterall, and I'm sure honourable people need easy victories that they can leverage into political street cred. Rather convenient way to got about fighting, wasn't it?
The honored position of the right side has its origins in the way troops perform on the battle. In hoplite/phalanx combat, troops are shielded by the shields of their comrades and have the natural tendency to seek cover behind those shields. This then manifests itself on the whole battlefield with lines of troops actually marching slightly to the right as they advance. At the tip of this friendly protection effect is going to be your most elite troops stationed on the far right. So in essence they are providing cover for the whole army. At the same time, they would be the ones expected to break the enemy and start to turn the tide of battle. So they perhaps had the most honored position because of the very important role they served to provide for defense and attack
THFE Productions It still seems to me that arraying your troops in this fashion - following convention - would only be useful if you could be confident you had the upper hand in troop quality and that your troops wouldn't break first. In arranging your troops from best to worst, the battle is always going to favor the side with the best elite troops and the best 'worst' troops. If you couldn't be sure of this, it would make sense to place your best units on the left and the second best units - or pretty much anyone else - on the right to counter and buy more time against their elite for your hammerhead to rout their flank. If you were relying on your worst troops holding out against elites, they should have a much better time of it against middling troops and the previously superior, but predictable, enemy who followed convention ends up with egg on their face because your left is still up against their weak right. So why follow a convention like this? It just makes you predictable - it gives the enemy free reign to strike your weakest point and the potential to sweep through your lines from the side - even if you are the stronger side.
Dire Evangelist well i mean most warfare was conventional so most armies did the same thing especially the greek ones. somewhat like how battles were fought in the 16-1700's how everyone fought in a straight line if you get my drift, it wasnt till later when people stopped caring about "honor" and started setting up their army more strategically :) least thats how i feel it is
It's worth noting that by switching up their tactics and strengthening their left flank ("oblique" tactic), the Thebans beat the Spartans and pretty much rendered the "tradition" obsolete.
Great battle. Your narration is superb, you can describe manoeuvres and situations in battle with extreme detail and accuracy, I enjoy it very much.
Nice video. Although those foot companions at the rank flank should be Shield Bearers/Hypaspist.
I LOVE these battles ! Good job, awesome videos ! love them, keep em up
I like these kinds of battles where the same army battle. makes it look like a huge battle
I love this channel, this is only my 2nd video viewing but my god I love this sheet!
I feel like a dork for watching this stuff but I find it oddly entertaining and interesting. You have earned yourself another subscriber!
You would have won if your allies had been more aggressive.
That birds eye view is amazing
Not that Alex wasnt one of the greatest gens ever but I think the sarissa a new tech at the time played a larger role in Alex's success then people would like to hear
Yeha, his fathers military reforms helped him a ton
Great as always, thank you.
I would love to see you do an alternate history the Battle of Agencourt (hope I spelled that right) from the Hundred Years War
I had a battle as Parthia on the imperator campaign with 3 full stacks of my units and four full stacks of theirs in the dessert! It took an hour and. 5 minutes to win haha
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Wow what a great strategist!
This was a pretty big battle, does anyone know if unit stutter has been fixed in larger battles in Rome 2 because i didn't see any videos in this video.
You really have plenty of historical informations i am from greece and really like your videos you are right about the refomation in army that king Fillipe has done but the gtreatest change has come from Alexander with his 6feet pikes .Thats all thanks for the amazing videos
I would love to know when the leaders of the army started staying in the back away from the fighting and how they were able to do this when for so long leaders would fight side by side with there men.
Hey Oakley , which are the cordinates of this massive battle?
please do the battle of issus
or the ambush of lake trasamine (by hannibal barca)
or the siege of saguntum
or the siege of the parthian capital (at the time of marcus aurelius
i totally forgot that name though)
or illyricum
or the battle of the catalaunian plains
"he took an arrow to the face".... why did that sound so familiar?...
Are there no river maps you could use to replicate the Macedonian left flank?
Can you try and do a Mongol horde type battle with you and a few allies being royal Scythia and the others being Greek/roman
I fought a battle with arcattila1214 (your ally) yesterday haha he was a polite player (:
and v cool battle!
ps: can't wait untill the next part in your first punic wars series (:
Who throws away their cavalry so easily, honestly?
Isocrates, the Athenian orator and founder of "enslave the barbarians" moto, which he used to say at the Olympics, had a very good opinion for Phillip wanted him to be the unifier and leader of Greeks. Calling for unity almost his entire life, seing Greeks fighting again each other once again, at the battle of Chaeronia, he went at hunger strike as a form of protest and died. I thing at the age of 97 or something. To an Irony, 5-6 yrs later, Persian empire would seest to exist. I am very surprised u know him. He tried and send letters to any ruller he would see fit for the cause. He wrote even at the Tyrrant of Syracuse who at the time was a great man. I think it was Agathocles.
Very cool game or is it a program? How can I get this game or program? Thank you so much for posting it on you tube!
Its a game, Rome 2 Total War.
yes Alexander was on the left flank and in control of only cavalry. his task was to destroy the sacred band.
What camera mod you using?
I would really love to play with you, but I would probably suck and somehow get my general killed 10 seconds into battle
Do u play this on Xbox or play station?
Alexander disliked this video.
Awesome video and battle, I heard about the find of Philip 2nd but did not know about the facial reconstruction so going to check that out, thanks!
Hey Oakley. How do you get the bird view out of the debug cam? The 90 degrees from above one? Thanks in advance.
When you want to pivot your camera around, just hold down the scroll wheel and then move the mouse around
Thanks a lot THFE Productions
THE REMAINS IN THE TOMB WAS PHILIP OF MACEDON?
Wow. This is such an epic battle. Do more Huge Themed battles Oakley. Really enjoyed this one. Too bad Macedonian lost. Haha.
can u play Athens vs Sparta? classic rivalry
How do you go in to that cinematic camera?
I have a video on it called getting the debug camera
When you get the game do you have to get the emperor edition
this was pretty great..it sort of shows also how commanders (players) with less experience can be the downfall of the battle which was like how real life was..great job to all players though
Great video!!
Greetings from Republic of Macedonia :)
republic of macedonia? lol
even if you can steal a name you cant steal the history of a nation. Macedonia like Athens, Sparta, Syracuse belong to Greek history and no individual can deny this.
John X I Can,ancient Greeks denied Macedonians as a Greeks,and now you say that their was Greeks,because it is good for you.
MichailPL Yes! Greeks, especealy DEMOSTEN (famous greek) denied Macedonians as a Greeks, Greeks called Macedonains "barbarians from the north" After the battle of cheronea Theb was smashed! Thousand greeks where killed. Macedonians for Greeks where something like Hitler for Jewish... macedonians and greeks was and today are the dinstinct nations. And I cant steal something that is mine, but u can, and u stealed in 1912, when your country ocupated Agean Macedonia .. never before 1912 Agean part of MACEDONIA was Greek. In 1980 greeks launched their propaganda about "GREEK MACEDONIA" and bla bla.. never before
If u debate about history.. no problem.. im ready. facts are on my side
John X Lol,first you say that Macedonians where Greeks and now that they not,and they slavs?WAT?
whats this map called how do i get it on multiplayer
Cavalry not Calvary.
sorry. I just have been watching a lot of your videos lately and you say it like that in all of the ones I've seen so far. It's not a big deal but I die a little inside each time hahaha love the vids
Just seemed like you pushed up too quickly but a push was needed
*Goes all gladiator* "My history's a bit hazy, but didn't the Greeks lose the battle of Chaeronea?"
Haha good video though. I'd be interested to see how an actual attempt to reenact the battle would go, i.e. no cavalry for the Greeks, battle formations as accurate as possible to the actual event.
Greeks were fighting Greeks, so the answer is: No.
Both sides were greeks you mean the athenians and thebans
great video and archaeological discovery, but you said that it was a confederacy of Greek Kingdoms but Athens was democracy.
in the the time of battles, all greek city states unites against the non greek enemy. They unite against Persia, also against Macedonia in Cheronea...
тулум башија it was a confederacy, but Athens was a democracy in that confederacy.
Morti 1 and so what if one city state was democracy?... thats mean that she cant enter in federation, with others "non democratic" city states?? Greeks unites many times tro history,sucefull.. but against Macedonia they loosed...
тулум башија I'm not trying to start an argument, what are you doing? I was just saying Athens was a democracy nad not a Kingdom.
I never said THFC was a shit you tuber or something like that, if I thought he was then I wouldn't have subscribed to him.
Morti 1 yea u are right, athens wasnt kingdom, like i know
Just what I wanted :P
these massive battles had great potential,but I feel they are squandered by the constant unrelenting commentary,I don't mean to be offensive,just my opinion
I think a lot of what is being said can be deduced by the viewers themselves
I like it. Y no pikes tho? 💘
we need better quality.
sorry dont mean to be rude but it sorta makes the video unwatchable for me since there are so many units on the field.
Miguel Castillo RUclips DOES THAT WHEN VIDEOS ARE UPLOADED RIGHT AWAY, JUST BE PATIENT
***** okay, apologies.
***** don't you know im human too?
I thought that Thebes were leading the Greeks in Battle of Chaeronea.
They did, but Thebes wasn't a major player at the time of the rise of the Roman empire so they are not present in the game. I believe the closest they could have gotten would have been Epirus but I may have my geography wrong.
Trojanponey alex the 3rd burnt thebes to the ground after a rebellion,so it's hard to be a major power after that
Alex Sitaras
Indeed
Heck, if memory serves, I believe Thebes was really more of a "figurehead power" even before the rise of Macedon. Their high point had already come and gone.
isin't it kind of weird they had their strongest and most veteran troops on one flank, the weaker ones in the middle and the most weakest on the other flank? I mean isin't the middle a very crucial part of the battle to win? I mean so are the flanks but still, it makes more sense to have you forces spread out evenly, what if the enemy is to attack your weakest side and you need to rush your veterans from across the other side of the battlefield to aid that flank? .... I know it's historicly accuarte but WHY lol
I thin that is because of the oblique order of battle. You want your veteran troops to achieve a breakthrough on one flank with a decisive assault inexperienced troops are not capable of doing, while the more inexperienced troops just pin the opponent on the other side. And then the veterans can exploit the breakthrough and attack from the flank, roll up the enemy and get the job done. :)
Nazdreg1 ah i see but what if both armies are equally as strong and both break through on a flank, won't that just turn the battles field 90 degrees with the now surviving veterans facing eachother?
Well of course if you match a tactic with the exact same tactic generally you become equal again.
So of course if the other side has the same idea, you get a 90° angled battle. If not, you will have problems on one flank, but win decisively on the other.
But it is also just an idea, I have no idea if that is true or not.
Nazdreg1 hm sounds interesting
SpleeF S. that's what happened in a few battles.
Invite me next time in the war
So Hardcore :B
an insult to philips memory
If your doing a historical battle, make it more accurate, if not, don't bother. This video is neither historically accurate or fun. Keep up the good work :DD
This battle falls squarely in my massive battles series where I just bring you large scale action. Often I will theme these engagements to give them more of a sense of purpose or basis in reality... if you are looking for realism I would refer you to my actual history documentaries
moarrrrr massive battlesssss
alexander's rolling in his grave
Gg by the Greeks hoo rah
First in battle
So the most 'honour' is in fighting the weakest troops, in the enemy formation, on the battlefield? It wouldn't do to have too many honourable people dying afterall, and I'm sure honourable people need easy victories that they can leverage into political street cred. Rather convenient way to got about fighting, wasn't it?
The honored position of the right side has its origins in the way troops perform on the battle. In hoplite/phalanx combat, troops are shielded by the shields of their comrades and have the natural tendency to seek cover behind those shields. This then manifests itself on the whole battlefield with lines of troops actually marching slightly to the right as they advance. At the tip of this friendly protection effect is going to be your most elite troops stationed on the far right. So in essence they are providing cover for the whole army. At the same time, they would be the ones expected to break the enemy and start to turn the tide of battle. So they perhaps had the most honored position because of the very important role they served to provide for defense and attack
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It still seems to me that arraying your troops in this fashion - following convention - would only be useful if you could be confident you had the upper hand in troop quality and that your troops wouldn't break first. In arranging your troops from best to worst, the battle is always going to favor the side with the best elite troops and the best 'worst' troops.
If you couldn't be sure of this, it would make sense to place your best units on the left and the second best units - or pretty much anyone else - on the right to counter and buy more time against their elite for your hammerhead to rout their flank. If you were relying on your worst troops holding out against elites, they should have a much better time of it against middling troops and the previously superior, but predictable, enemy who followed convention ends up with egg on their face because your left is still up against their weak right.
So why follow a convention like this? It just makes you predictable - it gives the enemy free reign to strike your weakest point and the potential to sweep through your lines from the side - even if you are the stronger side.
Dire Evangelist well i mean most warfare was conventional so most armies did the same thing especially the greek ones. somewhat like how battles were fought in the 16-1700's how everyone fought in a straight line if you get my drift, it wasnt till later when people stopped caring about "honor" and started setting up their army more strategically :) least thats how i feel it is
It's worth noting that by switching up their tactics and strengthening their left flank ("oblique" tactic), the Thebans beat the Spartans and pretty much rendered the "tradition" obsolete.
Cool battle and all, but u talk too much.
You guys always lose xD
You talk a lot lol