The Terrible END TIMES APOSTASY | Guest: Mondo Gonzales
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- Who will fall under the terrible end times apostasy from the faith? Find out with guest Mondo Gonzales and host Nathan Jones of the Lamb & Lion Ministries evangelism team as they provide their Prophetic Perspectives (380).
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The bible says that 'believers are not appointed to wrath!' That'll do for me!
@@ladychatelaine697 same here 😀
The context of the verse you are referring to is speaking about salvation in Christ Jesus. We are saved from God's wrath because we are in Christ.
@@carnduffagc5155Wrong. She is talking about the seven years of God's great Wrath aka the Tribulation. Amen
Such a great interview about apostasy. It’s undeniable that we are seeing so much falling away, I literally can’t believe it.
Amen .
The Bible is our sure anchor.
Jesus is coming soon.
The Church is also falling away from preaching and sharing the Gospel these days. 😢
What a blessing to see God's word being reviled with fresh and clearer insight into the mysteries that have been questions for hundreds of years. What a time to be alive and living for God!
Reviled?!
@@SouthernAnnie Yes, a burning bush that did not consume the bush.
Yes, a talking donkey. Yes, a angels spock to the shapers, that a Savior had come.
So yes, reviled. What's your point?
@@SouthernAnnie I think *@justaspicysaltyspud9772* actually meant *"revealed".* Typos abound!
Wow, guys! It's amazing how the Lord is opening Scripture right now! Prepare the way for the Most High God!
Yes! The Apostasia is the Rapture because God says so. Amen
MARANATHA...
Love & God's Blessings from Australia 😁🙏❤️
GOD gave us eyes...use them! Simply look at the state of the majority, not all, but the majority of established denominations.
I just can’t believe in the past 3 years, that there are so many Pastors every month it seems in the news that have committed some heinous crimes. That obviously would have such a negative effect on those congregations.
This really doesn’t make sense. Just looking around, it’s obvious that churches are falling away from the faith. That is apostasy.
IM UNDERSTANDINGTHAT TOO, BUT ITS BEEN OCCURRING FOR DECADES NOW...
@@fabbrofamily7038 the signs have been happening for 2000 years. Like birth, began very slowly, start, stop, start again, long stretch without anything happening, right? Now we're at the end, one pain after another, faster & more intense.
Does that help? 😊
Matthew 24 isn't in chronological order. But you can see all the events. Last days signs, the rapture, the tribulation, ( Jacobs trouble) rise of the Antichrist, the new Temple, abomination of desolation, his persecution of the Jews, their flight. You can see He meant the Jews bc #1, only Jews would be honoring the Sabbath at the temple, #2, Jews live on top of their roofs as well as below.
then the 2nd coming. That helps my understanding a lot. God bless! ❤
@@fabbrofamily7038 Yes that is correct, but like most other "signs" we are given, it will increase in intensity and frequency the closer we get to Jesus' return.
Rature = to be caught away rapturo
The apostate church has been growing exponentially by the day, the NAR, Gospel of Greed, the Transchurch, etc. The faithful remnant is proportionally diminished and so it goes. Anyone engaging with popular faux Christian music MUST be extremely discerning with the knowledge of biblical doctrine, as the lyrics and the spirit are EXTREMELY INSIDIOUS!
ZAK SPIROS WRETCHED WATCHMAN HAS RESEARCHED THE NEW AGE-TYPE INFLUENCE ON CHRSITIAN MUSIC AND ALSO THE THRREAD TO THE MEGA CHURCHES VIA MONEY... VERY INNFOMATIVE AND CHANGED MY MIND IMMEDIATELY TO ELIMINATE THESE ARTISTS FROM MY PLAYLIST.
@@fabbrofamily7038 been watching for quite a while, but aware years before 🙏
@@fabbrofamily7038Zak teaches grace plus works their by nullifying grace. This is evil and wrong. He is a false teacher. He will loose all rewards if he does not change. Amen
What does he say to promote salvation by works?… I haven’t heard that.@@jesusisthelivinggod1791
@@gloriastreet4684He repeats the perverted ABC's of salvation and truly thinks one can repent of all of their sins and then come to Jesus to believe. Totally nuts. Grace plus works. Amen
I happen to agree with Andy Woods on this issue. I believe Paul is saying the same thing in three different ways. 2 Thessalonians 2:1 Paul describes our gathering together to Him, 2:3 actually says that the day of the Lord will not come unless the falling away/apostasy comes first and the man of sin is revealed, 2:7-8 says only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way and then the lawless one be revealed. In all three instances, something happens first, which I believe is the rapture described in the 3 verses, then the son of perdition is revealed, then the day of the Lord. To me, it's undeniable that the apostasy is a single event/rapture.
You are wise and smart! Praise Jesus ❤ Amen
@jesusisthelivinggod1791 Thank you for the kind words, but I am unable to take credit for my understanding. God's Spirit is who leads me. I firmly believe that if all we have is the commentary from the people of God from days past, then Daniel's prophecy can never come to fruition. The book is sealed until the end, and if we are at the end, there has to be a better understanding of God's word. God bless and Maranatha Lord Jesus
@@tonybaker9651Thank you for confirming. We have a date in heaven my brother! Drinks are on me. ❤ Amen
@tonybaker9651 YOU would be contradicting two thousand years of church teaching. Apostasia is the Latin word used in this passage and NEVER has it been translated as the RAPTURE.
@heavenbound358 Prior to 1611, the word used was from its root word, meaning departure. Again, the book has been sealed until the end. Since we are in the end, we should expect a better understanding of God's word. God bless
Thank you
Part of the apostasy is the love of money the prosperity gospel
The apostasy or defection from truth has to be the church. The world always has been fallen.
No not every church or none of the gentiles would be saved but it is the 'mother' church and her sisters who have already 'fallen'. The Bible makes it clear that a Jewish remnant and those who follow Jesus will be saved, and the church, the 'body' of Christ are those who will hold dear to His word and will be saved.
It will be both the Jews and also many in the church as well. Those who turn away from the God of the Bible when the antichrist is revealed and sets himself up in God's temple and declares himself to be God. Many will be deceived by the antichrist's and the false prophet's signs and wonders.
(2 Thessalonians 2:1-4; 9-11)
@@rustyshadow7 You imply all the Jews and many in the church, which is wrong. If you read the Bible properly, I'll see that G-d has kept for himself a remnant of 7000 men (Jews 1Kings 19:18) and there will always be a remnant of Israel, God's people.
Both Gentile and Jew will be deceived by the world but many will be saved too.
Keep reading God's word and praying for yourself and your family's salvation in remaining faithful and not be led into deception.
It seems we are in the time of falling away.
Come and see! - 1 Timothy 4
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
Correct
Yes; and so it is today. .
Aren’t we in the great apostasy right now?
I think we are. And we have to make sure that we're not going to fall away, too.
In the parable of the sower, it's persecution because of the word that caused those who received the word with joy, _that is those who fell on rocky places,_ to fall away.
The church is in the last period of Laodizea (Rev 3), where the Lord Jesus Christ is standing outside (!), meaning inside the most churches today the situation is so bad that the Lord cannot agree to it and walked out and now from the outside he knocks and calls individuals to HIM personally.
It certainly seems that way. The hosts make an interesting point about the word "the" before the word apostasy, meaning that it is a singular event that we should be able to notice. However, Jesus, in Matthew 24 also referred to this when He said "at that time many will turn away from the faith" (v.10). Do we think Christians from say 100 years ago, or 50 years ago, or even 30 years ago would say that the apostasy is happening? I am not sure, but probably not. However, today there are reports that up to 30 million people have left the faith in the past 24 years. That could be an indication that we are witnessing the great falling away.
Thank you! Blessings
No one knows that time when the completion of the bride of Christ is fulfilled but GOD our Father! That moment is referred to as the "fullness of the Gentiles". Romans 11:25.
At that time we (Jew and Gentile; Christ's bride) immediately are called up by Christ to go home to heaven. "Raptured"
" For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in".
Obviously "Jacob's trouble" ( 7 years of ever increasing tribulation) cannot begin until all saved (members of the bride His church from Pentecost) occurs, referred to as the "rapture" and thus this has taken place. John 14:1-6.
May GOD richly bless dear brother Nathan even more! We appreciate your ministry.
THE FULLNESS OF THE GENTILES IS THOUGHT TO BE AT THE END OF THE TRIBULATION PERIOD MY FRIEND.
@@fabbrofamily7038Correct. Amen
@@fabbrofamily7038Not correct! There is a great but limited number of Gentiles which will be born-again, sealed by the Holy Spirit and raptured before the 7 years tribulation period will start soon - period.
@@martinschneeberg1653You can not be born again during Jacob's Trouble since that is exclusive to the church which would have been raptured before the Wrath. You can still be saved by grace through faith and give your life for Jesus during the Tribulation. Then you are a tribulation saint but not a part of the body of Christ aka the church. Amen
The problem I find with the apostasia being a gradual departure from the faith is that Paul uses it as a sign post in 2nd Thes as to why the Thessalonians were not in the day of the Lord.
One reason that I find this discussion confusing is because they are calling "the day of Christ" the same as "the day of the Lord." I may be wrong, but thought that they were different; day of Christ being the Rapture, and day of the Lord referring to the Second Coming.
You are nearly correct. The day of Christ is the Rapture. The day of the Lord are contextual the seven years of God's wrath culminating in the second coming of Yeshua. Amen
1st Thessalonians 4: when was this book written, to whom, and what does it say? Written circa 52 A.D. to a church that was present in 52 A.D., this letter was not written to you, inserting yourself into the text makes the letter fiction. In every chapter Paul/Silvanus & Timotheus (authors) tell the church members that Christ is coming, in their lifetime, six (6) times in chapters 1:10, 2:19,3:13,4:15-16,5:23, please read your bible, please. This is the second coming/ revelation (Peter & Johns' term)/ resurrection (Pauls' term, because Christ said, "I am the resurrection")/ the gathering/ the restitution/ the reformation, Yom Kippur/ the last day/ the last trumpet, Sukkot, final harvest, John 6. If you received a letter telling "you" that the Lord was coming in your lifetime, 6 times, what would you believe? Matt 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Matt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Christ said he would return and that all written prophecy would be fulfilled in the lifetime of the audience to whom he preached, Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. Per his own testimony, Christ returned in the first century, fulfilling the rest of the law, fulfilling the final Yom Kippur, Hebrews 9, ending the old covenant, 8:13, destroying the last enemy death (2 Cor 3, please read, please & Gal 4 elaborate). Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him. He did.
Daniel tells us Rome would be in power when the everlasting kingdom would be established: Daniel 2:44, 7:14, 9:24. First century, that lasts forever.
Christ quoted from Daniel and told "them" (his audience to whom he was speaking) when "you" see the abomination, not us: Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) The Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem, desolation ensued.
The entirety of the New Testament authors all tell their immediate audience that Christ was coming, in their lifetime. Christ, Paul, John, James, Peter all say the same thing, it will happen in your lifetime. Christ was not making a joke, while bleeding to death on the cross when he said: Luke 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children. He told them wrath, Matt 23:35, was coming on them, same wrath John the Baptist told the priesthood to run from, Matt 3:7
1 Thessalonians 4:13-16 The church members are obviously concerned about what has happened to their members who have already died, physically, verse 13. Why? Paul had already told them 4 times in this letter that Jesus Christ was coming. They were looking for the revealing of Christ in his power/righteous judgment. In verse 14 Paul is telling them that God will also gather them, the ones who have already died physically; they were concerned that they would be left out of the gathering. If you die a believer, where do you go to reside? Heaven, this is your final abode. Where does Abraham, Isaac and Jacob live? Moses met Christ at his transfiguration, he was not lying in the ground, for 1400 years awaiting a so-called rapture. Neither was Abraham, who Christ said saw his day and was glad; neither was he lying in the ground for 2,000 years awaiting a so-called rapture. Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: Acts 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Almost all of the prophets talked about the "last/latter" days, this is where the New Testament writers get their doctrine. Peter unequivocally says he is living in the "last days". The last days are defined as the "last days" of their covenant, per the prophets, especially Moses. The saints in heaven are not leaving their abode; they are simply included in the "gathering", which is the resurrection/restitution Paul preached. In verse 15 Paul tells this church, that they were going to "be alive", breathing, when the Lord returned. And obviously they would not precede, go before, the saints who physically died and were already in heaven. The gathering/resurrection/restitution was for all things in heaven and earth. Verse 16 the dead in Christ (a believer who physically died and is now residing in heaven) will be resurrected/gathered first. Why? Christ was sent from heaven by his Father. If you live in heaven, then you obviously will participate in order first. Verse 17 then we which are alive and remain, we (these are breathing Thessalonian church members) Paul told "them" that they would see the coming of the Christ, 6 times in this letter. To "meet" the Lord, this word meet is apantesis. What does this word infer to a first century person?
This word is used for a formal meeting of a dignitary. Everyone in antiquity knew this word meant that a dignitary was coming to your city. They knew this meant that you would send out a welcoming party and usher that dignitary into your city, where they would remain. It never refers to someone coming to your city to get you and take you to a different location.
The second coming/resurrection/revelation that Paul preached has been accomplished by Christ. Paul tells us in Acts that his doctrine on the resurrection/revelation comes from Moses, the law and prophets. The song of Moses is sung in Rev 15 about the old covenant ending, it did, at the destruction of the temple, the "last day". We are living under the new covenant, within the New Jerusalem in the new heavens and earth, prophesied by Isaiah 64 - 66 and confirmed in Hebrews 8 - 10, which lasts forever. This message is sent in love, your friend
@@jesusisthelivinggod1791 Thanks
I HAVE LEARNED THAT THE DAY OF THE LORD BEGINS WITH THE RAPTURE - THE MORNING STAR, INCLUDES THE 7 YR TRIBULATION PERIOD, THE SECOND COMING .
@@fabbrofamily7038This is also true. It all depends on the context. Amen
Make sure you are not just looking at the apostasy from an American view only. The church exist around the whole world. With that said , having lived and traveled abroad frequently, the last 5 years, I have seen a very noticeable of the church abroad falling away from sound doctrine and becoming very much like the world.
Amen
Yes, we live in the apostasy in the Europe .
Maybe MORE than in US 🫣
you are so right. My christian sister lives in France and she can't believe what has happened to the church....ecumenism has taken hold big time !!! 😱😨
CORRECT...
the Bible was not written to America.;
it was written to the entire World.
Ireland has completely fallen away. Invaded by terrorist supporting criminals.
AS we approach the coming of our LORD the more we will understand the scripture.
I wish I could like this more than once 😊
Oh right there with you sister!!! I would like it MANY times!!!
@@marthaj67 😂😂😂😂
Love the Lavender Jacket, Mondo!!!!!!!
Plum.
@@lisamoag6548 Looks Lavender to me. Plum is much darker.
Lee Brainard wasn't the first to write about apostasy or discover its etymological history and fingerprint. But he did do a good job reiterating and reenforcing it.
Wrong. Amen
Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
Romans 10:13 “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
2 Corinthians 11:3 “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.”
Salvation is so simple, even a child can understand it. It is simply believing with your whole heart that Jesus’ Sacrifice on Calvary was the total and complete payment for your sin. Plus nothing, minus nothing. Jesus will take you just as you are, sin and all. He came for sinners. You don’t have to change because He will change you.
Hebrews 2:3 “How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;”
So really, what have you got to lose?
❤ Amen
AMEN!!!
I am confident that many traditional Christian interpretations and teachings of eschatological things will be found to be incorrect. Interpretations made years ago on the information and evidence available at the time, accepted, adopted and taught for generations, have now embedded themselves into our paradigm and we are blind to them. Cases of unintentional 'predictive programming'? Everything will become clear when we are looking back ... or down.
"Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come." 2 Thess. 2:1-2
I don't believe the Thessalonian believers were concerned that they were in the tribulation as Mondo suggests in this video, but that they had missed Jesus' coming and being gathered to Him.
Yes, I agree, exactly.
They feared both. Amen
Correct! Why would Paul not simply tell the Thessalonians that he was referring to a only a JEWISH apostacy from the true God that hasn't happened yet?
Paul is obviously saying that It will be both the Jews and also many in the church as well who turn away from the God of the Bible when the antichrist is revealed and sets himself up in God's temple and declares himself to be God. Many will be deceived by the antichrist's and the false prophet's signs and wonders.
(2 Thessalonians 2:1-4; 9-11)
Jesus is NOT going to let His bride get beaten and bloodied!!! Eph 5:25-27 tells me different-“cleanse”, “washing with the Word”, “glorious”, “not having spot or wrinkle”, “without blemish”. He will rapture us out of here before the day of the LORD (1Th 4:16-18). The Day of the Lord is the day of Jacob’s trouble, Jacob=the Jews. Not about the bride of Christ (He did not appoint us to wrath, 1Th 5:9). We will be at our wedding banquet during all that (hence the word “comfort” in 4:18 and 5:11. There is NO comfort in experiencing the Tribulation!). Before He comes for us we will experience tribulations (little t) but we will miss entirely the great Tribulation (big T). If I am wrong I will love my Lord and Savior anyway. If I am right, we will rejoice together in His presence soon and very soon!!! I praise Him with all my heart, regardless!!!!
Excellent! ❤ Amen
HALLELUJAH, AND YES!
Your opening statement is nonsensical. Has the bride been "beaten and bloodied" for 2,000 years? How many Christians have been tortured, burned, beheaded, drowned and mistreated throughout Church history?
@@carnduffagc5155You are intellectual dishonest aka dumb on purpose. I pitty your state of mind and I pray for your wisdom in Jesus name.
God's final seven years of great WRATH is NOT mans sinnful wrath in a fallen world .
Amen
Apostasy in the church might have something to do with new bibles that are changed.
ok,nearing the end,
How can it be meaning the Jews when they are already Apostate? Sorry, it makes the most sense that it's the physical departure of the church happening first. But maybe that just means that there won't be a long interlude between the Rapture and the Tribulation like some speculate and the Rapture kicks off the Tribulation.
Excellent! ❤ Amen
1st Thessalonians 4: when was this book written, to whom, and what does it say? Written circa 52 A.D. to a church that was present in 52 A.D., this letter was not written to you, inserting yourself into the text makes the letter fiction. In every chapter Paul/Silvanus & Timotheus (authors) tell the church members that Christ is coming, in their lifetime, six (6) times in chapters 1:10, 2:19,3:13,4:15-16,5:23, please read your bible, please. This is the second coming/ revelation (Peter & Johns' term)/ resurrection (Pauls' term, because Christ said, "I am the resurrection")/ the gathering/ the restitution/ the reformation, Yom Kippur/ the last day/ the last trumpet, Sukkot, final harvest, John 6. If you received a letter telling "you" that the Lord was coming in your lifetime, 6 times, what would you believe? Matt 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Matt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Christ said he would return and that all written prophecy would be fulfilled in the lifetime of the audience to whom he preached, Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. Per his own testimony, Christ returned in the first century, fulfilling the rest of the law, fulfilling the final Yom Kippur, Hebrews 9, ending the old covenant, 8:13, destroying the last enemy death (2 Cor 3, please read, please & Gal 4 elaborate). Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him. He did.
Daniel tells us Rome would be in power when the everlasting kingdom would be established: Daniel 2:44, 7:14, 9:24. First century, that lasts forever.
Christ quoted from Daniel and told "them" (his audience to whom he was speaking) when "you" see the abomination, not us: Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) The Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem, desolation ensued.
The entirety of the New Testament authors all tell their immediate audience that Christ was coming, in their lifetime. Christ, Paul, John, James, Peter all say the same thing, it will happen in your lifetime. Christ was not making a joke, while bleeding to death on the cross when he said: Luke 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children. He told them wrath, Matt 23:35, was coming on them, same wrath John the Baptist told the priesthood to run from, Matt 3:7
1 Thessalonians 4:13-16 The church members are obviously concerned about what has happened to their members who have already died, physically, verse 13. Why? Paul had already told them 4 times in this letter that Jesus Christ was coming. They were looking for the revealing of Christ in his power/righteous judgment. In verse 14 Paul is telling them that God will also gather them, the ones who have already died physically; they were concerned that they would be left out of the gathering. If you die a believer, where do you go to reside? Heaven, this is your final abode. Where does Abraham, Isaac and Jacob live? Moses met Christ at his transfiguration, he was not lying in the ground, for 1400 years awaiting a so-called rapture. Neither was Abraham, who Christ said saw his day and was glad; neither was he lying in the ground for 2,000 years awaiting a so-called rapture. Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: Acts 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Almost all of the prophets talked about the "last/latter" days, this is where the New Testament writers get their doctrine. Peter unequivocally says he is living in the "last days". The last days are defined as the "last days" of their covenant, per the prophets, especially Moses. The saints in heaven are not leaving their abode; they are simply included in the "gathering", which is the resurrection/restitution Paul preached. In verse 15 Paul tells this church, that they were going to "be alive", breathing, when the Lord returned. And obviously they would not precede, go before, the saints who physically died and were already in heaven. The gathering/resurrection/restitution was for all things in heaven and earth. Verse 16 the dead in Christ (a believer who physically died and is now residing in heaven) will be resurrected/gathered first. Why? Christ was sent from heaven by his Father. If you live in heaven, then you obviously will participate in order first. Verse 17 then we which are alive and remain, we (these are breathing Thessalonian church members) Paul told "them" that they would see the coming of the Christ, 6 times in this letter. To "meet" the Lord, this word meet is apantesis. What does this word infer to a first century person?
This word is used for a formal meeting of a dignitary. Everyone in antiquity knew this word meant that a dignitary was coming to your city. They knew this meant that you would send out a welcoming party and usher that dignitary into your city, where they would remain. It never refers to someone coming to your city to get you and take you to a different location.
The second coming/resurrection/revelation that Paul preached has been accomplished by Christ. Paul tells us in Acts that his doctrine on the resurrection/revelation comes from Moses, the law and prophets. The song of Moses is sung in Rev 15 about the old covenant ending, it did, at the destruction of the temple, the "last day". We are living under the new covenant, within the New Jerusalem in the new heavens and earth, prophesied by Isaiah 64 - 66 and confirmed in Hebrews 8 - 10, which lasts forever. This message is sent in love, your friend
@@markmoore3530Be gone devil! In the name of Jesus. Amen
The word apostasy does not mean a physical departure, at all. It refers to a falling away from the faith. This makes sense too when we cross-reference 2 Thess. 2 with Matthew 24. Jesus said, "at that time many will turn away from the faith" (v.10).
@@carnduffagc5155 The man of sin, the son of perdition: 2 Thessalonians 2
Greetings friend, this message is sent in love. Revelation was written circa 65 A.D. and fulfilled 66 -70 A.D. Rev 17:10, the "one is" is Nero, reigned 54 - 68 A.D. Almost every prophet talks about the "last/latter" days of the Mt.Sinai/Mosaic covenant. The "last days" are defined as the last days of this old covenant. Daniel gives the dates when the new covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-43) would be established, chapters 2:44, 7:14, 9:24,12:2, while Rome is in power, the 4th empire, this is the second coming/resurrection (Pauls' term) revelation (Peter & Johns' term) that all of the new testament writers told their immediate audiences they would witness, in their lifetime.
Christ was very specific pertaining to his return date. Matthew 16:27-28. For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Matthew 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Christ told the priesthood standing in front of him: Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
In the lifetime of his audience, this generation, Christ returned, to fulfill the law, per his own testimony. Please read your bible, every word, every sentence, all of it.
Pertaining to the man of sin, read Jocephus, whom was an eyewitness to the revelation of Jesus Christ. Wars of the Jews book 4, chapter 3, section 7. The revelation that Peter told his audience they would witness, 1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ, because Peter told the whole world that they were living in the "last days".
Ananus was the high priest in the first century A.D. when the song of Moses (Deuteronomy 32) was being fulfilled, "latter days", being sung in Revelation 15. He was murdered by the Idumeans and replaced with a "false" high priest named Phannias. There is a possibility that Phannias is the man of sin spoken of by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. Obviously, the Thessalonian church members knew who was holding back the man of sin, (Paul said they knew him).
2 Thess 2:5-6 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
The Thessalonians would have known the priests in Jerusalem. They would have known that Ananus was the high priest, until he was murdered. Thus, Ananus was holding back the man of sin, Phannias. John also told his audience the antichrist was coming, it is the last time (he repeats this statement twice).
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. And follows with verse 28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. Letting his audience know that they are about to witness the revelation/resurrection of Jesus Christ.
At the end of Johns gospel, John 21:18-24, we find Christ telling Peter he was going to die a martyr and why does it matter to him if John is still alive when he returns? Christ returned, destroyed the temple in judgment, fulfilling the law, the last Yom Kippur, Hebrews 9. Most Christians and Jews are still looking for a Messiah, that the scriptures teach has already come and established his kingdom. Again, this message is sent in love, your friend
I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
Jacobs seven years of trouble and persecution and the chance and job for the tribulation saints to help Israel. Amen
The early English versions from Tynedale to the 1599 Geneva bible have "departing" in 2Thessalonians 2:3. It was only the Bishop's bible which went to "falling away".
Amen
Regardless; if we dont read ourselves into being the removed restrainer.. the apostasia (from the root word apostasy ie a perverted faith following) would straight up mean that falling away / departure from Christ to the Antichrist. Wouldnt it.
@@trulyso734Wrong. The restrainer is the Holy Spirit INSIDE of us. The Apostasia is the Rapture. Amen
The man of sin, the son of perdition: 2 Thessalonians 2
Greetings friend, this message is sent in love. Revelation was written circa 65 A.D. and fulfilled 66 -70 A.D. Rev 17:10, the "one is" is Nero, reigned 54 - 68 A.D. Almost every prophet talks about the "last/latter" days of the Mt.Sinai/Mosaic covenant. The "last days" are defined as the last days of this old covenant. Daniel gives the dates when the new covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-43) would be established, chapters 2:44, 7:14, 9:24,12:2, while Rome is in power, the 4th empire, this is the second coming/resurrection (Pauls' term) revelation (Peter & Johns' term) that all of the new testament writers told their immediate audiences they would witness, in their lifetime.
Christ was very specific pertaining to his return date. Matthew 16:27-28. For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Matthew 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Christ told the priesthood standing in front of him: Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
In the lifetime of his audience, this generation, Christ returned, to fulfill the law, per his own testimony. Please read your bible, every word, every sentence, all of it.
Pertaining to the man of sin, read Jocephus, whom was an eyewitness to the revelation of Jesus Christ. Wars of the Jews book 4, chapter 3, section 7. The revelation that Peter told his audience they would witness, 1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ, because Peter told the whole world that they were living in the "last days".
Ananus was the high priest in the first century A.D. when the song of Moses (Deuteronomy 32) was being fulfilled, "latter days", being sung in Revelation 15. He was murdered by the Idumeans and replaced with a "false" high priest named Phannias. There is a possibility that Phannias is the man of sin spoken of by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. Obviously, the Thessalonian church members knew who was holding back the man of sin, (Paul said they knew him).
2 Thess 2:5-6 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
The Thessalonians would have known the priests in Jerusalem. They would have known that Ananus was the high priest, until he was murdered. Thus, Ananus was holding back the man of sin, Phannias. John also told his audience the antichrist was coming, it is the last time (he repeats this statement twice).
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. And follows with verse 28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. Letting his audience know that they are about to witness the revelation/resurrection of Jesus Christ.
At the end of Johns gospel, John 21:18-24, we find Christ telling Peter he was going to die a martyr and why does it matter to him if John is still alive when he returns? Christ returned, destroyed the temple in judgment, fulfilling the law, the last Yom Kippur, Hebrews 9. Most Christians and Jews are still looking for a Messiah, that the scriptures teach has already come and established his kingdom. Again, this message is sent in love, your friend
LOOK AT LEE BRAINARDS STUDY THAT GOES BACK AND EXTENSIVELY COVERS HISTRICALL MEANING OF THE WORD- NEVER THE PHYSICAL DEPARTURE. ITS WORTH A LISTEN.
Truly love and respect the teaching of Andy and Lee but Mondo clearly shows the take of the issue of apostasy is correct by Lee.
Wrong. Amen
When I hear pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib,... I hear: division, division, division. I'm going to stick to what my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, I tell you- WATCH!
The church has to wait and Israel has to watch. The Rapture happenes before the Wrath. Amen
1st Thessalonians 4: when was this book written, to whom, and what does it say? Written circa 52 A.D. to a church that was present in 52 A.D., this letter was not written to you, inserting yourself into the text makes the letter fiction. In every chapter Paul/Silvanus & Timotheus (authors) tell the church members that Christ is coming, in their lifetime, six (6) times in chapters 1:10, 2:19,3:13,4:15-16,5:23, please read your bible, please. This is the second coming/ revelation (Peter & Johns' term)/ resurrection (Pauls' term, because Christ said, "I am the resurrection")/ the gathering/ the restitution/ the reformation, Yom Kippur/ the last day/ the last trumpet, Sukkot, final harvest, John 6. If you received a letter telling "you" that the Lord was coming in your lifetime, 6 times, what would you believe? Matt 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Matt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Christ said he would return and that all written prophecy would be fulfilled in the lifetime of the audience to whom he preached, Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. Per his own testimony, Christ returned in the first century, fulfilling the rest of the law, fulfilling the final Yom Kippur, Hebrews 9, ending the old covenant, 8:13, destroying the last enemy death (2 Cor 3, please read, please & Gal 4 elaborate). Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him. He did.
Daniel tells us Rome would be in power when the everlasting kingdom would be established: Daniel 2:44, 7:14, 9:24. First century, that lasts forever.
Christ quoted from Daniel and told "them" (his audience to whom he was speaking) when "you" see the abomination, not us: Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) The Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem, desolation ensued.
The entirety of the New Testament authors all tell their immediate audience that Christ was coming, in their lifetime. Christ, Paul, John, James, Peter all say the same thing, it will happen in your lifetime. Christ was not making a joke, while bleeding to death on the cross when he said: Luke 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children. He told them wrath, Matt 23:35, was coming on them, same wrath John the Baptist told the priesthood to run from, Matt 3:7
1 Thessalonians 4:13-16 The church members are obviously concerned about what has happened to their members who have already died, physically, verse 13. Why? Paul had already told them 4 times in this letter that Jesus Christ was coming. They were looking for the revealing of Christ in his power/righteous judgment. In verse 14 Paul is telling them that God will also gather them, the ones who have already died physically; they were concerned that they would be left out of the gathering. If you die a believer, where do you go to reside? Heaven, this is your final abode. Where does Abraham, Isaac and Jacob live? Moses met Christ at his transfiguration, he was not lying in the ground, for 1400 years awaiting a so-called rapture. Neither was Abraham, who Christ said saw his day and was glad; neither was he lying in the ground for 2,000 years awaiting a so-called rapture. Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: Acts 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Almost all of the prophets talked about the "last/latter" days, this is where the New Testament writers get their doctrine. Peter unequivocally says he is living in the "last days". The last days are defined as the "last days" of their covenant, per the prophets, especially Moses. The saints in heaven are not leaving their abode; they are simply included in the "gathering", which is the resurrection/restitution Paul preached. In verse 15 Paul tells this church, that they were going to "be alive", breathing, when the Lord returned. And obviously they would not precede, go before, the saints who physically died and were already in heaven. The gathering/resurrection/restitution was for all things in heaven and earth. Verse 16 the dead in Christ (a believer who physically died and is now residing in heaven) will be resurrected/gathered first. Why? Christ was sent from heaven by his Father. If you live in heaven, then you obviously will participate in order first. Verse 17 then we which are alive and remain, we (these are breathing Thessalonian church members) Paul told "them" that they would see the coming of the Christ, 6 times in this letter. To "meet" the Lord, this word meet is apantesis. What does this word infer to a first century person?
This word is used for a formal meeting of a dignitary. Everyone in antiquity knew this word meant that a dignitary was coming to your city. They knew this meant that you would send out a welcoming party and usher that dignitary into your city, where they would remain. It never refers to someone coming to your city to get you and take you to a different location.
The second coming/resurrection/revelation that Paul preached has been accomplished by Christ. Paul tells us in Acts that his doctrine on the resurrection/revelation comes from Moses, the law and prophets. The song of Moses is sung in Rev 15 about the old covenant ending, it did, at the destruction of the temple, the "last day". We are living under the new covenant, within the New Jerusalem in the new heavens and earth, prophesied by Isaiah 64 - 66 and confirmed in Hebrews 8 - 10, which lasts forever. This message is sent in love, your friend
@@jesusisthelivinggod1791 AMEN
Amen✝️✝️
I have actually researched all three positions fairly thoroughly. There is scriptural backing for all three positions🤣 You could fight about it all day, and nobody would win. I’m just looking forward to getting out of this hell hole at the first opportunity… Whenever that is. Gods decision✝️
This Mondo dude talks way too fast, and spins around all the thoughts he’s trying to get out, too confusingly. To the point that it almost sounds as if he’s babbling. 🙄
I couldn’t capture the main point of what they were focusing on trying to say in this video. Smh!
They were trying to say that God is awesome and that the Rapture will happen before the seven years of God's great tribulation. BTW Andy Woods interpretation is correct. In Jesus name Amen
Day of Christ is the rapture of the bride (vs.2) KJV.
Do not be deceived that the rapture has already come. That day will not come until there is a falling away of the faith first (departing of the faith of the church) and that the pseudo-Christ be 'introduced' to the world.
That's how I read and understand it?
Maranatha!
That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?( Genisis 18;25)0 Say ye to the righteous, that it shall be well with him: for they shall eat the fruit of their doings.Woe unto wicked! it shall be ill with him; for the reward of his hands shall be given ( Isaiah 3;10-11)
There is no one doing good. Not even one... Amen
@@jesusisthelivinggod1791❤
(Rom. 3:24). Truly, everyone does what is wrong. No one does good and good alone . . . except for Jesus Christ, our Savior, through whose goodness we are righteous in God's sight. Shalom
@@felipekennedy3135Jesus is the most precious and awesome person ever. I AM so sorry for every human who does not get to enjoy Him for eternity. I pray that all living humans get saved now before their last breath. Amen
My findings on the “apostasy “ is the falling away of our natural morals etc. and taking on nonsensical ideology…..
"Before" might not be in the passage, but the "comes first" is. That's the same thing.
And as you guys mentioned, apostacy has been happening since Jesus left the scene 2000 years ago. So, it doesn't make sense the passage is talking about a failing belief system. And, yes, it was talking to Jews at the time, but it was the church people he was talking to. HOwever, I do believe that the Rapture has to happen before the AC can be made known.
If it is talking about a singular event in the world where it all falls apart, then I could agree that as the passage mentions, it is the time when the AC is revealed and the world then falls down at his feet and praises him, instead of the The Lord.
Love the new jacket
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Welcome to Rightly dividing brother
"if we first understand the grammar"????? I don't mean to be disrespectful, but you have absolutely no idea about the grammar! You completely ignored the conditional element in the text ..... ἐὰν μὴ of 2 Thess 2:3. Your exegesis is misguided and deceptive. God bless you both
The rest of the chapter brings resolution to your discussion. (KJV)
Please answer this: If there is going to be a great apostasy, "Meaning those who leave the faith",
what exactly would that mean for those who fall away and were once saved. If you are referring to the church, those being saved, then those who fall away would have had to have been once saved....Are they still saved?
Once saved, allways saved. Amen
Eternal Security has been a subject of debate amongst the greatest of Church History scholars over the last 2,000 years, so you’re in good company.
I fall on the side of believing that salvation is always secure in God's promise, as John 10:28-30 tells us: "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one." Jesus made it very, very clear that if we are one of His “sheep,” then we will never lose our salvation. - NJ
@@ChristInProphecy OSAS!! Thank you Dr. Nathan! Not sure how folks can debate this because as you said, Jesus was totally clear. So to saturn’s point those who become apostate are of the camp of Mt 7:23 imho. Laodiceans anyone?
ALSO I WAS UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE APOSTASY DIDNT REQUIRE OR WASNT NESSECARILY A PERIOD OF TIME
Im confused! Many Christians say nothing has to happen before the Rapture and others say the Temple has to be built! help!
Even these guys are confused! A plain reading of the text gives us step by step exactly what is going to happen.
Concerning the COMING of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being GATHERED TO HIM, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us-whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter-asserting that THE DAY OF THE LORD has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for THAT DAY will not come UNTIL the APOSTACY occurs, AND THE MAN OF LAWLESSNESS IS REVEALED, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that HE SETS HIMSELF UP IN GOD'S TEMPLE, proclaiming himself to be God. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
The "day of the Lord" is when the church is GATHERED TO HIM. This is also called "the last day."
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
John 6:44
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:54
Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
John 11:24
Martha said to him, “I know that he (Lazarus) will rise again in THE RESURRECTION on the last day.”
So before the LAST DAY, i.e., the DAY OF THE LORD comes, the antichrist is revealed and he sets himself up in God's temple and declares himself to be God, and many will turn away from the True God and worship him instead. That is the apostacy, and this will occur at least 3 years before the last day, the day of the Lord, the "resurrection of the righteous" (Luke 14:14) when Christ COMES for His Bride (the church) and we are GATHERED TO HIM.
BTW, do NOT use the phrase "the rapture." It is the cause of much confusion. Use instead the words of Jesus and Paul and John, i.e.. the RESURRECTION. Which happens on the last day and at the last trumpet.
...in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
1 Corinthians 15:52
When God shines in your heart the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ ,2Cor4:6 you will believe him,and know.that he died for you,
in particular, on the cross.He is revealed as "Lord",and your Savior.
As Abraham believed God ,we believe God .See Rom4:3
All this that's happening !! And trump !!!! Too ..... Let it set in ...
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"[HE WHO OVERCOMES] shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels."
~ Revelation 3:5
"[FOR WHATEVER IS BORN OF GOD OVERCOMES THE WORLD]. And this is the victory that has overcome the world-[OUR FAITH]. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?"
~ 1 John 5:4-5
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, [BUT HE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER IN HEAVEN]."
~ Matthew 7:21
"[AND THIS IS THE WILL OF HIM WHO SENT ME], that [EVERYONE WHO SEES THE SON AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE]; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
~ John 6:40
[GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS THROUGH FAITH]
"But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
[BOASTING EXCLUDED]
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. [THEREFORE WE CONCLUDE THAT A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY FAITH APART FROM THE DEEDS OF THE LAW]."
~ Romans 3:21-28
"If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, [YOU WILL BE SAVED]. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved."
~ Romans 10:9-10
For “[WHOEVER] calls on the name of the LORD [SHALL BE SAVED].”
~ Romans 10:13
"In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, [YOU WERE SEALED] with the Holy Spirit of promise, [WHO IS THE GUARANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE] until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory."
~ Ephesians 1:13-14
"For [BY GRACE] you have been saved [THROUGH FAITH, AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES]; it is the gift of God, [NOT OF WORKS], lest anyone should boast."
~ Ephesians 2:8-9
"He saved us, [NOT BY THE RIGHTEOUS DEEDS WE HAD DONE, BUT ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY], through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit."
~ Titus 3:5
"And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, [HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES, HAVING WIPED OUT THE HANDWRITING OF REQUIREMENTS] that was against us, which was contrary to us. [AND HE HAS TAKEN IT OUT OF THE WAY, HAVING NAILED IT TO THE CROSS]."
~ Colossians 2:13-14
"I have been crucified with Christ; [IT IS NO LONGER I WHO LIVE, BUT CHRIST LIVES IN ME]; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. [I DO NOT SET ASIDE THE GRACE OF GOD; FOR IF RIGHTEOUSNESS COMES THROUGH THE LAW, THEN CHRIST DIED IN VAIN].”
~ Galatians 2:20-21
"Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you-[UNLESS YOU BELIEVED IN VAIN]. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: [THAT CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES], and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures."
~ 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, [THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE]. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
“[HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM IS NOT CONDEMNED]; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
~ John 3:16-18
"[AND I GIVE THEM ETERNAL LIFE, AND THEY SHALL NEVER PERISH]; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; [AND NO ONE IS ABLE TO SNATCH THEM OUT OF MY FATHER’S HAND]. I and My Father are one.”
~ John 10:28-30
Amen ❤
Apostasy means falling away fromright theology
The context defines the meaning. 2. Thes. Apostasia is the Rapture! Amen
@@jesusisthelivinggod1791 The word apostasia means a departing from the faith, period. Cross-reference 2 Thessalonians 2 with Matthew 24. Both Jesus and Paul are speaking about the same things: Jesus says "at that time many will turn away from the faith" (24:10) and then refers to the abomination that causes desolation, which many conclude refers to an act of the Antichrist in the temple (24:15). Paul also connects these two events, the apostasy and the man of lawlessness not only revealed but setting himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
@@carnduffagc5155You are WRONG. God is right. Period. The olivet discourse is only and exclusively prophetic for Israel during the seven years of God's great Tribulation. Amen
We are the Temple of God! Repent Acts 2:38, John 3:3, Acts 4:12, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Galatians 3:27, 1 Peter 3:21, John 14:6, John 14:26, Romans 10:9-10 🙏🏽❤️🕊️
You are not born again. Amen
I love you both guys, but why are spending any amout of time arguing a detail that actually backs up and further validates your own theological view!!! This is so NON productive and actually hurts the body of Christ. I sure wish all you scholars would be "smarter" than to do this. Use your God-given brains, talents and time to give GLORY to God. When we get to heaven, we can settle the matter there. This kind of petty squabbling is ridiculous and embarrassing to the Church. Please 🙏
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Exactly! The Departure (apostasia) is the Rapture! They are blinded. Amen
DO WHAT? HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THEOLOGY?
Lee is wrong. God is right. Andy got it! 1. Thessalonians is about the rapture and the second coming and 2. Thessalonians is also about the rapture and the second coming. Mondo you are wrong and you are judging yourself ironically without even knowing. God is awesome! In Jesus name Amen
I have to say I agree with Mondo on this one, not Andy. I have been studying this for years and i believe 1Th is rapture, 2Th is the 2nd coming, 2 completely different sets of circumstances. The bride of Christ will not be beaten and bloodied, which would absolutely happen in the great Tribulation. If so then how could we “comfort” each other? Nothing comforting at all about the great Tribulation. Nothing. 1Th 4:18 and 1Th 5:9-11, we are to comfort each other and we are NOT appointed to wrath! Not trying to be argumentative and love you in Christ regardless!
@@lesliebooth2833Well you are honestly wrong and you will loose rewards at the BEMA because you did not follow this warning if you do not repent. I AM telling you The Departure (apostasia) is the Rapture !!!
Pre Trib all the way ❤
Let's Go Harpozo!!!
Amen
No one knows for sure best keep a humble approach to these types of doctrines. However I do agree with a pre trib rapture! Makes the most sense out of all the positions. God Bless brother!
@@jesusisthelivinggod1791 I don’t understand, did I miss something? I am also pre-Trib all the way! I am 100% totally willing to repent, but for what in this comment?
@@WalkingTemple-ws2si sure, but an apostasy from Christ/the rock of our faith is not to be desired amongst believing saints so nope it cannot be a reference to the rapture at all. Im fine with the hope (expectation by personal conviction) for a pre trib period way of escape catching up. But if/when things unfold not according to such supposition.. I hope the rigid pretribbers will not fall away. I.e. I believe all will need to pray for the strength to endure past all current and near future going ons, and occupy/carry on the great commission of gospel spread until that time.
Yay Lee! 😄❤️💕
Trying to understand the rapture? Paul spells it out for us.
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
...by our gathering together unto Him....
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
...day of Christ...
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
...that day (when we are gathered to Jesus/day of Christ/rapture)... will not arrive until the apostasy happens and the man of sin be revealed. He even warns you not to let any man deceive you in these matters.
Peace,
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Wrong. First the Rapture then the Tribulation. Amen
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@@Pollywaffle777I AM happy and hopeful and allways exited about the imminent rapture rescue because Jesus is going to evacuate all believers and smal children BEFORE He destroys the earth!
God's character is Love and He will always help everyone as much as possible for good. THAT IS THE TRUTH.
You are allways sad, hopeless and in fear about a judgment for unbelievers that does not concern you. THAT IS THE LIE
God gets all the Glory!
Humans are just dust.
Amen
The Day of the Lord and our being gathering to Him are implied as being the SAME EVENT because of how the sentence reads. That's easy. Those events can't happen UNTIL (1) the apostasy and (2) the main of sin is revealed. Forgetting (1) -- whether that means rapture or not (obviously NOT, to me, because we already have "our being gathered to Him" describing the rapture), (2) has to happen before we are gathered.
If the New Covenant is "everlasting" in Heb. 13:20, why would anyone think God wants a return to the Old Covenant system 7 years before the Second Coming of Christ?
The Old covenant with the natural Jewish people was only „put on hold“ (or put aside) for 2000 years because the secret of the church age was used in this 2000 years grace period. But there are so many open prophecies in the Old Testament and even in the gospels related clearly and exclusively to the natural people of Israel, all these must be literally fulfilled in the near future - otherwise the Bible would be wrong. Read the Bible you will figure it out by yourself.
@@martinschneeberg1653 You are ignoring the word "now" in Heb. 8:6-13.
It's not that God wants a return to the Old Covenant system, but from a Jewish perspective (that have not turned in faith to Christ yet) they believe that they need the old system once again - hence, the need for a temple, the red heifers, the priests, etc. It seems that God will allow them to go so far with this and then at some point, probably when the Antichrist goes into the temple and declares himself God, the Jews realize they have been duped. Eventually, many will turn and be saved.
@@carnduffagc5155 You are trying to turn the word "remnant" in Romans 9:27 into the word "nation".
@@carnduffagc5155 Actually, those originally promoting the Pretrib doctrine claimed the "Church Age" ends 7 years before the Second Coming of Christ. Hebrews 13:20 proves this is not possible.
Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Hmmm 🤔 Food for thought!
Read, Amos 5:26, Acts 7:43, Revelation 2:9 and 3:9!!!🙏🏽❤️🕊️
The departure of the faith comes before the rapture and the abomination of desolation. Explain Matthew 24:10, Mark 13:12, and Luke 21:16-17. And when location of the harvest its at Jesus's coming on the clouds, (meet the Lord in the air) explain the Harvest in Rev 14:14-16, its the same Harvest in Joel 3:13-14, the Harvest of the wheat stored into the barn, then the wrath (Winepress, Isaiah ch 63 Revelation 14:17-20). The Harvest/rapture isn't until the nations are gathered to the Valley of Jehoshaphat (Joel ch 3) The Harvest is right before the wrath. It's just like Jesus said in the Olivet Discourse Matthew 24:31 is the rapture/harvest, scriptures interprets scripture and must aline. Cannot twist scriptures to fit an agenda, something the American church is great at.
Are you saying you think Jesus is going to let His bride get beaten and bloodied? I don’t think so (Eph 5:25-27). He will rapture us out of here before the day of the LORD (1Th 4:16-18). That is the day of Jacob’s trouble, Jacob=the Jews. Not about the bride of Christ (He did not appoint us to wrath, 1Th 5:9). We will be at our wedding banquet during all that (hence the word “comfort” in 4:18 and 5:11. There is NO comfort in experiencing the Tribulation!). Before He comes for us we will experience tribulations (little t) but we will miss entirely the great Tribulation (big T).
The olivet discourse is only and exclusively for Israel during the seven years of God's great wrath. Amen
@@lesliebooth2833 @lesliebooth2833 Now please let me explain, this is not an attack on you personally, but on the pretrib theology. As far as the bride getting beat up , tell that to the Christians that ISIS cut off their heads and let they're blood flow into the Mediterranean and all the Christian martyrs before them. Its not Biblical and your just. regurgitating those pretrib pastors words, not scripture. Ask yourself when does the Church make herself ready? You pointed to Eph 5:25-27, the bride being presented without any blemishes by the refining of tribulation (Revelation 19:7). You pointed to 1st Thess 4:16-18 and the fact Jesus comes on the clouds and we meet the Lord in the air. Yes Jesus comes back the same way He left in th Clouds Acts 1:11, also look at Matthew 24:30 what happens before Jesus comes on the clouds? The sun is darkened and the moon doesn't give off any light, tribes of the Earth mourn, as he comes on the clouds, then rapture in verse 31. In the parable of the Wheat and tares in Matthew ch13, we see they are growing together until the harvest, Wheat into the barn Rev.7:9 and 15:2 then the wrath, the winepress. Tribulation and wrath are two different things. Look at seal 6, Matt 24:30, Mark 13:24-27, Luke 21:25-28, when does Luke say to look up because our redemption draws near? Read all three chapters of Joel, pay attention to when the sun goes dark and the moon to blood. Take a good look a Joel ch3 verse 13 and compare it with Revelation 14:14. Jesus said the Gospel must be preached to the whole world then the end would come, that's Revelation 14:6. I do hope you study this out, many blessings to you.
@@brentlohrenz4298Man's wrath is not even comparable to God's Wrath. God is right and you are WRONG. Amen
@@jesusisthelivinggod1791 OK, prove to me with the Bible where the rapture is and that it's pretrib. You can't, I've tried. I know the anger you feel, I used to be pretrib myself, until I started reading the Bible for myself without any influence from others.
2 Timothy 2:15 is a key verse and being a Berrian of the scripture. Not one single person has it all figured out, but I can tell you when Christ come on the clouds and that isn't until the sun is darkened and the moon doesn't give any light. Just like He said in his Olivet Discourse, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, Joel 2:10, 3:13-15, Rev 6:12-17. Now remember the seals are an outline of the Olivet Discourse. Test what I present, give it an honest test and see if you see with different eyes. Find out where the wrath of God starts. Also test the parable of the Wheat and Tares in Matthew ch13 with Joel ch 3.
😡 Ne mettez plus ce genre d'image horrible.
Pensez que ça peux rester coincé dans la tête d'un chrétien qui n'a pas demandé à voir ça. Après pour s'en débarrasser ???!!! 😡
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Doomsday cult
Read, Matthew 24:13, 24:29, Revelation 13!!! 🙏🏽❤️🕊️
The Rapture/Parousia is already mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:1. Thus, if you interrupt apostasia as the Rapture, you’re saying that the Rapture doesn’t happen until the Rapture takes place. Nonsensical.
That day is referring to Jeremiah 30:6, also known as Jacob's trouble.
The apostasy started in Paul's day:
2 TIMOTHY 1:15
This thou knowest, *that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.*
The Churches of Asia (Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea) comprised the same seven churches in the Book of Revelation. It is Interesting that these churches in Asia are written to by Jesus in the Book of Revelation and the churches in Achaia, Macedonia and Galatia are not. (Philippi, Thessalonica, Berea, Corinth, Antioch, Lystra and Iconium)
2 TIMOTHY 2:16
But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is *Hymenaeus and Philetus;* 18Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
The same Hymenaeus is spoken of in 1 Timothy:
1 TIMOTHY 1:19-20
Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
20Of whom is *Hymenaeus and Alexander;* whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
Some in Corinth doubted the resurrection to come:
1 CORINTHIANS 15:12-14
Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, *how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?*
13But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
Paul called out those who stated a man's faith is perfected by works:
GALATIANS 3:3
*Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?*
Paul warned the Galatians of another gospel:
GALATIANS 1:6-8
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto *another gospel:*
7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, *and would pervert the gospel of Christ.*
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, *let him be accursed.*
And another Jesus, and another "spirit":
2 COR. 11:4
For if he that cometh *preacheth another Jesus,* whom we have not preached, *or if ye receive another spirit,* which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
He warned of "doubtful disputations":
ROMANS 14:1-4
Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. *3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.* *4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant?* to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
He warned of those who stated that you must keep the Sabbath day:
COLOSSIANS 2:16-17
*Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:* 17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
ROMANS 14:5-6
*One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike.* *Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.* *6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.*
He warned of Philosophy and the traditions of men:
COLOSSIANS 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through *philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world,* and not after Christ.
Paul warned that men would bring apostasy from WITHIN and without the Church after he departed:
ACTS 20:29-31
*For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.* 30Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
The apostasy started LONG AGO and will go on until the return of Jesus Christ.
2 THESSALONIANS 2:1-3
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2That ye be not soon *shaken in mind, or be troubled,* neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that *the day of Christ is at hand.*
3Let no man deceive you by any means: *for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;*
TITUS 2:13
*Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;*
The day of Christ in 2 Thessalonians 2:2 is NOT the Rapture, for why would the Thessalonians be "shaken in mind" or "troubled that the BLESSED HOPE was at hand. Makes NO sense.
The falling away is NOT the Rapture.
The "Day of Christ" in 2 Thessalonians 2:2 is the Day of the Lord prophesied in the Old Testament, the last 3 years of the GREAT TRIBULATION or Daniel's Seventieth Week.
Paul substituted "Christ" for LORD showing you that Jesus Christ is the LORD God of the Old Testament.
The Day of the Lord shall not come UNTIL the falling away (apostasy) comes first and the Man of Sin is revealed as the Son of Perdition- HALFWAY THROUGH THE 7 Year Tribulation.
IF you consider the CONTEXT of 2 Thessalonians 2 you would realize Paul is speaking of the Day of the Lord, NOT the Rapture.
The Catholics are correct in stating that their "church" is the "Oldest" and the most Orthodox.
Catholicism is the accumulation of heresies believed in Paul's day and has endured for 2000 years.
Paul said nothing. God said everything. All glory to God!
The apostasia is the Departure aka the Rapture.
Amen
Luke 21
14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 👉For these be the days of vengeance,👉 that all things which are written may be fulfilled.👈
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;👈👇
30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.👈
33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.👈
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Is that a real tattoo ? I bet she is gonna regret that
The apostasy is a defection from truth. And this has been increasing vastly in the churches that now are teaching many heresies, like OSAS, the PreTrib Rapture, Prosperity Gospel, and many other doctrines of men. And I would say the scripture is being fulfilled at an epidemic level by RUclips teachers who many have heaped up to themselves to tell them those ear ticking false teachings! And I’m not leaving this teaching out of this rebuke!
The pre Trib rapture is not heresy. It’s clear as crystal. I believe you’ve fallen for all the nonsensical teachings out there. The anger and hate toward people who hold to a pre millennial, pre trib position are the only ones being attacked by “Christians” everywhere. That should tell you all you need to know. A pre tribulation rapture is a sure thing. 100% ironclad.
@@YeshuaLord1202 I am not attacking those deceived by the false pretrib rapture theory. I am calling it what it is, which is heresy. Which I hope very much those deceived by that, and all false teachings begin to read their Bibles, because the only way anyone can come up with a pre-trib view is by it being put in their head by false teachings. I was born again 32 years ago in a church that taught the pretrib view, and taught it myself for years, until God opened my eyes that it was just not there in his word! We are not appointed to wrath correct, but wrath and tribulation are two very different things. Read the scripture in context and you will never come up with a pretrib rapture. It is a doctrine of man, that can not be found in scripture unless you piece together scriptures out of context to make the Bible say what you want it to say. Yes I will speak against this and every other false teaching. As David said, Thy law oh Lord I love, Therefore I hate every false way! But I’m not attacking those who have fallen for this false teaching. I am coming against the false teaching! To the hope that it will cause some to do as the word commands us to do, and prove all things! To study to show thyself approved, to rightly divide Gods truth! To not just except what your preacher or teacher says, but to be as the Bereans, and search the scriptures to see if what was being taught was correct!
@@HumbleHeartMinistry The Rapture is the only way a Christian can inherit the kingdom (1 Cor. 15:49-53).
Jesus hinted of the Rapture to Martha (John 11:23-26).
In the Tribulation, One is taken and One is left- from the LIVING (Matthew 24:40-41).
In the Rapture, BOTH are taken, One from the dead, One from the living (1 Thess. 4:13-18, John 11:23-26, and 1 Cor. 15:49-53).
@@chadmeidl1140 I’m not debating the fact that there is a rapture, or a catching away. I am saying the Bible does not teach that it is a pretrib rapture.
@@HumbleHeartMinistryYou are cursed by God. Go to sheol. In Jesus name Amen
2 Thessalonians 2
King James Version
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
They fall away with the man of sin, son of perdition Billy Crone
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Billy the guy full of pride playing God
Garbage theology
You are not born again. Amen
Yes, they are totally without understanding..
Enoch (PROPHET)
Exactly why I don't follow Andy Woods, Farag, and others who preach that nonsense. Good men in....error 😢😮😮
WISE OR FOOLISH BRIDESMAIDS?...
HMMMM..............
Andy Woods is one of God's favorites and in this case he understands God's word perfectly. You are born again and deceived exactly like J.D. Amen
@@jesusisthelivinggod1791PL, could U explain shortly how does JD Faraq explain it .
I' ve not followed him for years.
Thank you. 😊
@@raulikalervoJ.D. biggest problem is the ABC tradition because it was, is and will allways be just BELIEVING that saves a soul. Not by works. His biggest deception is his date setting. He correctly believes that the Departure (apostasia) from 2. Thes. is the Rapture. Amen
To be clear, I reckon the error is in conflating the political affairs of Israel to 'the tribulation' (beating up of the bride). Very confusing as messages to the church who is spiritual israel. And the Zion we look forward to is New Jerusalem. Not in any earthly divinity, temple, or earth locale.
You guys just can’t read
A terrible teaching here. Oh my pretrib brother's will fight the truth till it's time to face the antichrist
FOOLISH BRIDESMAIDS AREN'T READY WITH ENOUGH OIL, AND DON'T MAKE IT IN.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
Oh, my post-trib ("yoyo Rapture") brothers confuse Israel and the Church. Replacement Theology is a wicked, wicked thing.
You are wrong and born again. You will be raptured before the seven years of God's great wrath. Amen
@@marthaj67❤ Amen
Absolutely Jesus told us the what the "falling Away " "Departure" was, recorded in Matthew 24:10, Mark 13:12, and Luke 21:16-17
Rapture is a poor word to use. It's not in your Bible. It means 1st Resurrection to many but 2nd Death to others, both are covered in Rev 20. Rapture is used by the APOSTATE church to CONFUSE.
Enoch (PROPHET)
The concept of rapture is fully confirmed in the Bible by: 1Cor 15.51-52, 1Thess 1.10, 1Thess 4.13-18, 1Thess 5.2-6, 1Thess 5.9-11, 2Thess 2.1, 2Thess 2.7-8, Acts 1.11, Rom 5.9, Col 3.6, Heb 11.5-6, Rev 3.10-11, Rev 4.1, and by the fact that the word „church“ is used 19x between Rev 1.1 and Rev 3.22 within the church-age, but not even once between Rev chapter 6 to end chapter 16 within the 7 years tribulation/ wrath age, because the church, the real born again Christians, will be taken out of the earth before the judgement time of 7 seals and 7 trumpets and 7 bowls will start.
Note: It is blasphemy to claim that the Lord Jesus Christ will beat up his bride (church) by his own wrath before taking her to heavenly wedding and marry her.
Very wrong interpretation.
Do you suddenly taken away in greek is called Harpazo, which means in English the rapture.
2thessalonian 4.16
1 corinthians 15th explains
The end times is basically to destroy evil with evildoers and for the testing of the believers' faith.
The rapture is next on the calendar
@@martinschneeberg1653 It is blasphemy to call Jesus Christ "Lord" which means BA'AL.
@@martinschneeberg1653 The "word" RAPTURE is not used, period. We have a 1st Resurrection and a 2nd Death. Most use RAPTURE to represent the 1st Resurrection but NOT ALL. So why don't Preachers use the PROPER term instead of a WORD that isn't in the Bible?
Enoch (PROPHET)
First Thessalonians 4:17 speaks of an event called "the Rapture", Latin "rapio," Greek "harpazo," which means "to catch up, to snatch away, or to take out." "After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever." Paul states that the concept of the Rapture is meant to encourage believers during this Age (1 Thes. 4:18). Other references on the Rapture are Isa. 26:19-21; Mal. 3:17; Jn. 14:1-14; I Cor. 15:51-58; and 1 Thes. 4:13-18.
Some scholars you guys turned out to be!😂
A lot of pride in that guy Billy Crone sort of explains his big head
You are projecting and inverting your sin. You are not born again. Amen