A brief history of Syracuse’s notorious Onondaga Lake Parkway Bridge
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Built in 1871, the Onondaga Lake Parkway Bridge has withstood the test of time and countless auto collisions over the years. The Syracuse structure remains as iconic as it is chaotic. Video by Katrina Tulloch.
It’s so well marked it’s ridiculous.
There is a bridge nicknamed "The Can Opener" that is even more well marked, that has been raised, and is still being hit by trucks and RVs.
and yet the bridge is still blamed for people driving into it
So is the can opener in Raleigh, NC but that hasn't stopped idiots from hitting it.
AND THE UNDISPUTED CHAMPION OF THE WORLD WINS AGAIN
Trucks: 0
Bridge: 18
One has to remember that this was originally a bridge over water, not a roadway.😊
There are tunnels in my city with a low clearance. There are sensors way before the tunnels and if they detect an overheight vehicle it will turn the traffic light right before the tunnel red to stop all traffic and the large vehicle must take the road exit next to it. If the driver doesn't do it on their own then employees will come out and force them. There are usually cops stationed in the employee areas for traffic issues like this or accidents inside the tunnels. It's a system that works and keeps everyone safe.
That was talked about. They decided it wouldn’t work. But I mean they’re a certain kind of political party.
@@dustypan83not enough money for Walsh to build his fish tank. Btw, it isn’t any specific political party. Neither Republicans or democrats have done jack for the last 30 years except talk about nestle leaving, building an aquarium, and the stupid I81 change.
Nice video, thanks for putting it together ... love the drone shots !
Nice review and very well done. I'm a native of Syracuse (but moved to the warmer southern weather over 45 years ago). i've known about the bridge issue since i was a kid. It still amazes me that drivers of oversized vehicles pay no attention to the warning signs.
We Love that bridge! The Truckers should be following directions, they're everywhere.
They should have something like breakaway clearance crossbeams (multiple) well before the bridge in case of a wayward vehicle that exceeds that clearance. Sort of like overhead rumble strips.
I HATE how they are filling the canal…
The onondaga bridge strikes again.
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Change the route of State Rt 370 to travel along Old Liverpool Pkway, perhaps?
Before the 2010 tragedy, I thought the whole thing silly and nothing but a nuisance. People would say lower the road! But you can't. It's barely above the lake as it is. And yes, the lake level is controlled kinda but lowering the road is just not possible in terms of drainage and flooding.
But when people died, several innocent people that were just sleeping, it should've been clear to all that corporate profits are more important than human life. I recall amounts like $10 to $0 million or something like that. I don't care. CSX is about as heartless and profit hungry as they come. Railroad companies are immensely powerful bc they have land everywhere and easements on land everywhere else. Everyone will need to do soemthing across their tracks at some point so instead of the govt telling them how it is, they tell the govt how it is.
I know this from working with them on IMPROVING a drainage culvert. The client was spending millions on a project that included replacing a culvert as old as syracuse with concrete tunnels that would increase capacity 10 fold, be more structurally sound, and require less maintenance.
You'd think we were proposing to build a nusance in their front yard! The put us thru the ringer and we were IMPROVING their ifnrastriucture!!! Infrastructure that they have neglected BTW.
Well, this bridge is too much. Somewhere in CSX is a room of men that want their christmas bonuses to be $50k and not $30k like it would be if they decided to maybe save some lives - or more accurately, stop the needless daeah
Trains can't go up or down a hill like a car or truck. To raise that bridge they would have to change the grade of the tracks for 3 1/2 to 4 miles in each direction. Maybe Hiede's will move for them. LOL
Instead of paying the railroad to fix the bridge, the state could re-route the road, put in a railroad crossing, pass a law requiring the crossing to be open a certain percentage of the day or more (say, 90% availability between 8 am and 6 pm every day), and make CSX deal with the logistical headache.
@@woodrobin If they take Old Liverpool Rd, the crossing is already there. Back in the 70's, the train stopped for lunch at Heide's at that crossing.
@@woodrobin The railroad was there first, and it can't be raised without affecting other locations. A simple solution would be to remove the road and re-route traffic. There is a huge freeway less than a mile away.
No Sorry but CSX Built a bridge that was fit for purpose when it was a cannal, the State deciced to run the road along the old cannal its the states issue to solve (or not). CSX should absolutly be investing in infrastructure and improvements to increase safety and performance for its customers and for when its activitys cause incidents. this is one case that they have no obligation to do anything.. now a win win would be to renovate the bridge when it comes due in combination with the state to solve this issue with CSX takeing up the cost of the strait replacement and the state takeing up the cost for all the modifications needed for a better design for the crossing but who knows when that bridge needs replacment/major works.
Why not a sensor that trips a set of arms and flashing lights like a railroad crossing to lower if a truck is too tall. The gates go down not allowing the truck to pass underneath it.
They will still run into it. The problem isn't the bridge, the signs or flashing lights. This video blames the bridge, the state and the railroad. It's ridiculous. These are commercial drivers who are held to higher standards, in vehicles prohibited from the parkway to begin with.
@@stevelong2269 exactly this is why Old Liverpool Road was created these drivers are just stupid
Its always the faul of the driver, most of them dont even slow down. They cant be bothered
How is a bridge the cause of a senseless tragedy? The driver of that megabus is the senseless one.
Love the reporting nevertheless
the bridge is the common denominator. drivers are the variables. the bridge is exclusively the problem.
An interested party could buy a lot of boxes of dynamite for much less than tens of millions of dollars (the projected cost of renovating the bridge so it doesn't kill people or moving it to a better location). I'm surprised no one's forced the issue in a percussive manner, as it were.
It does t matter that bridge is also a main route for trains so nothing can be done to the bridge plus its on protected land cause eagles are born around the area plus its on Native American land
@@BTheBullTurbo it’s not like they’re going to expand (except vertically)
Pretty much summed it up!...😉
Is there any record of exactly how many times the bridge has been hit?
Around 18-20 times that are known/reported record is probably closer to 30
The bridge always wins!!!
It was water under the bridge. Now it holds a grudge.
How on earth can those drivers not see all the signs?!?! It's one of the best signed bridges in the world!
Would it be possible to dig the road down a couple feet instead of trying to raise the bridge?
No. That would send the roadway before lake level and it would be flooded. You would have to lower it nearly 3 1/2 feet to get to standard clearance (14 feet). The only semi-feasible solutions are: 1) Raising the bridge (that's up to CSX - and it doesn't need full replacement as it is structurally sound), 2) Demolishing the bridge for an at-grade crossing (bad idea - opens up new problems), or 3) Closing the bridge and dead-ending the Parkway at each end, but that would require widening adjacent roads.
Install a traffic light just before the bridge that turns red when triggered by a large truck. The driver will pay attention to a red light more than any other warning.
Beautiful
Question It's not like there's cameras posted, what's stoppin' anyone from just blowin' it up on a dark moonless night?
Reroute the trucks 🤷♀
Sounds like they need to build a higher bridge?!
Who ever wrote this narrative obviously has zero concept of how circumstances have changed since the bridge was built in 1871. The problem isn't that the bridge was lowered over time, but that road bed was raised.
"You must be new here." Not necessarily. Many local residents have hit the bridge.
Here before Rainbolt
You can't raise it due to elevation issues, along with who is covering the bill. But that bridge cannot be raised. And they have to come up with better warnings
How's high truck again?
Couple of friends killed there on the abutment in ‘67. Many many crashes there!
Any driver that drives the Northeast regularly knows that you NEVER drive on a Parkway.
How the heck did that Bus get on that parkway???
No, it would be far cheaper to merely lower the road. Duh. While that is happening, put a tester a mile before the bridge. It is an overhead hinged flap that would strike a vehicle at the 10-9 mark, thus prompting it to stop.
The bridge is fine. Incompetent drivers do not face severe enough consequences.
"1-3 trucks a year" more like 200 in a year.
Ummm. Why not lower the road? Or build over it?
the way to stop the crashes and fix this is to dig down and lower the road and install a few pumps to keep it dry, its really not Rocket Science to fix this! the old canal was lined with clay to keep water in or out so that helps just create a cement lined roadway and light it up for saftey too! big pumps are easy to install and are very reliable
Not possible. The area around Onondaga lake is not only protected land but its also impossible to do that as the amount of flooding that already occurs will make it a deadly combination. What happens when that 3 extra feet get flooded and the drains backed up? Cars will get caught and people will die.
OMG
This bridge is a worthy opponent for 11.8 foot bridge 😆
They’ve established that an unacceptably high number of drivers will miss the warning signs. It’s time to move beyond just signs. How about a height sensor that triggers a traffic signal to turn red before the bridge and automatically calls the cops. Then keep the light red until the cops get there to figure it out. PITA yes, but better than when they actually hit it. It’s really not that difficult.
We have a tunnel down here that takes about 1-3 a week. Lol.
The Bridge is NEVER the Problem. BUT Stupid Drivers on the other hand - Yeah, Their BIG problem. Icy roads and blowing snow also add to Onondaga Lake Parkway becoming a parking lot from accidents from NOT so Careful Drivers.
the bridge is the common denominator. drivers are the variables. the bridge is exclusively the problem.
We'll pick up the bill when we nationalize the railways.
Here's a solution: Put a sign banning all heavy goods vehicles and warnings for low bridge for other vehicles like double deckers
Because there aren’t already a zillion signs like that there already?!
Commercial vehicles are already banned from there.
yes. because signs seem to be working flawlessly
Fun idea, why don't they just dredge the road surface an extra three feet beneath it? 🤔 ... They did this to many of the highway crossover points in Montreal back in the day
The water table is very high there. Any such dredging will immediately flood.
@@eedgerton769 exactly what I say when anyone asks the same thing. It's in a wetland next to a lake. Then in winter it would be all ice.
That's Montreal not Syracuse NY where flooding Is common near the lake
@nygreenguy plus Eagles nest all around the bridge too the flooding would just be a death trap and the ice too plus there's a small swamp literally right next to the bridge that has small pockets that go into the lake so any type of digging runs a risk of those pockets increasing in size and taking part of the road with it
Here's a thought. Close the road, then remove it.
If they can’t raise the bridge , Maybe they could try lowering the road instead.
The bridge is right beside the lake. If you lower the road, the road will fill with water due to the high water table
And another one gone another one gone another one bites the dust. SU Bridge still the WWE champion
Since CSX owns the bridge, then couldn’t these truck drivers sue CSX since technically it is their fault that they don’t want to do anything about the bridge?
Absolutely! But they would loose. They would be better off suing the municipality who built the road.
They probably can't sue. It's so clearly marked before the bridge it's literally driver error that causes this. It would be like they trying to sue a city because you crashed into a light pole
Why would a trucker have a right to sue?
Can the highway department not lower the roadway by 4 feet?
It's on a wetland, it would get flooded frequently!
No, actually, they cannot.
Build a bridge up n over the tracks...
If you it the bridge at this point it's your despactorice fault. Just rout divers around it or send loads on smaller trucks
They do. If you watch the video you see that long before the bridge they have signs directing trucks to go around... but they ignore the sign and every other sign along the long road, the flashing lights, and then hit the bridge and that's why it's a meme now. Like, how these trucks continue to blatantly ignore multiple warning signs.
@@ragabashmoon1551 The drivers no speekie engleesh.
There are about 20+ signs both ways saying trucks to reroute that's why they made Old Liverpool Road and Onondaga Parkway 2 different ways for these stupid semis who never listen
The bridge was there before the road, taxpayers should take up the bill
People are dumb
If you take a look at these posts, They can't read either.
The best part is that Syracuse officials would rather spend 80 MILLION on a glorified fish tank instead of fixing this issue.
11foot8 bridge: bet
Stupid people always want to blame these accidents on the Bridge. No it's 100% the drivers fault!
Looks like their new system is working oh so well 😂😂
Even though CSX makes billions of dollars. They'd rather the tax payers pick up the bill.
Sounds like a skill issue
The common denominator is the bridge. And it's costing exploited and exhausted truck drivers thousands of dollars in fines, they certainly can't afford, especially if they lose their trucks/jobs.
how many more lives need to be lost before the state steps in?!
this is just another rock solid argument to add to the list of reasons why our railways need to be publicly owned.
is there no law that grants the state the ability to petition for/gain control of something like this that is physically suspended over a state roadway?!
home owners and farmers must forfeit their lands for private pipeline projects. owners of properties deemed historic can have their property taken by the state, if abuse to the historical integrity is found. there must be something that can be done about this.
Why did you do this video? We all know about the bridge. There are about a dozen signs on the way to the bridge.
I didn't know about it.
For people like me, from across the planet, to get entertained.
@@tobiasstohr1866 check out the 8'8" bridge they call the can opener....they raised it 8" more but it still gets hit
Just like the Glenville, NY bridge overpass all the trucks keep hitting! And the same thing keeps happening! The railroad company keeps denying responsibility! Well they need to be fined for MILLIONS of dollars, and ORDERED to raise the bridge!
It isn’t their responsibility..
The drivers need to be fined for millions of dollars, and lose their livelihoods forever. They shouldn't have been behind the wheel at all if so blatantly incompetent. It's nonsense to blame inanimate objects for other people's stupidity.
To be fair, the bridge has been there before the road.