I'm so disappointed in Arron... He could have just made it a workshop spotlight, why this shady content theft? Honestly good job for putting out the truth
Frankly I always figured most of these ideas were coming from other people, but I wouldn't have thought it included the ones he took verbal credit for. Good vid.
And now he's working for Keen, go figure. And you try and bring it up in Space Engineers Discord, they sweep it under the rug as 8 year old news or say that it's not plagiarism or maybe he just forgot to link the original creators.
Lol, I still think it's good that he actually did credit raverick in stating of how raverick designed the wheel traction system, but yeah, there you go, have to pay attention to detail, not difficult to just redesign something, so I just have to say it, for everyone, stop complaining, it's a game, it's a forwarded idea someone took, I'm just putting it out there (:
With you 100% on this Ravric. LSG and people like him who feed off others suck, especially when there's very little you can do to protect your work. Hopefully he gets honest or people flock to more genuine content creators.
First rule.. always reference your 'inspiration'. NEVER take credit for what others have built or designed. Damn son... I'm a Design Engineer IRL and hearing of this grim behaviour is completely insane, LSG and any others who do the same really should know better.
As someone who makes SE RUclips videos and builds a lot of ships and vehicles (I actually build them myself), I’ve always been baffled at the quantity of builds and videos LSG has been able to put out - it’s just too many complex concepts and large builds. Add to that the time it takes to put together a video and it just doesn’t add up, until now... To make matters worse, by passing off other people’s builds on his videos he is really committing material fraud by making a not-so-insignificant amount of money from his channel, which surely wouldn’t be as successful without all these creations OTHER people made. Shameful. Thank you for making this video Ravric.
GopeScope Gaming I never noticed anything. I don't go often in the steam workshop. But why saying "inspired" instead of "modifying". + He doesn't give any links to the viewers about the original creations. He quickly passes from someone awesome to someone completely bored and foolish, trying to fool people. Thanks for the light.
Yea it never added up till a friend linked me the video of my slightly altered train. Then it became clear and likely that he has done it many more times. The video barely scratches the surface of what I put together a year ago, what I learned since then, and the videos after which I have not watched except a few that were brought up to me. I don't do SE much anymore. Waiting for KSH to get the game properly working at or better than it did mid 2015 is sad because I have so much still wanting to do.
Ya a lot of potential that I'm now thinking will never really amount to anything - they seem to be spending time polishing a bit of a turd at the moment (i.e. working on nice looking textures when multiplayer is still garbage) Hopefully it ends up being as great as we all hoped it might be, but I've lost interest and hope that it will happen.
RySome yes its bad he dosnt link but he did change them it like saying when someone made a bunk bed it was a bed someone else thought of it but someone else changed ut for the better
Gosh, I hope this issue doesn't divide the SE community... The SE community is (on the whole) really fantastic. Hopefully we can find resolution sooner than later.
I've heard tales of these mythical debates.... Some say, they were so heated people burnt up on forum re-entry. Some say, there were so many voices the Earth ran out of ice for oxygen.
+Jetfire I agree the space engineers community is so great it would be a real shame to divide it, it would have been better if ravric just contacted Aaron and the issue would be sorted out, plus ravric seemed a bit mad, he could have got the point across with two examples, ravric ribbed it in a bit much
I am so shocked from this, I've been watching LSG for a long time now and I really enjoyed his videos about stuff he made... Thanks for telling this, now I know the truth.
I simply can't believe this, O_O. Why I didn't see it when he did the train video?? I knew yours for long and "his" obviously made me recall yours, but I couldn't see that it used the identical system in EVERY senses. I'm so disappointed about him right now. He inspired me to start with Space Engineers and also to create my channel around the game, but never for stealing others creations. That's completely out of the point.
I have un-subbed from him, and I'm sure there are other people like me that are not super involved in the steam workshop to notice this. So thank you for getting the word out.
i've always thought he was an ass, and see'ing this just gives me that "aha" moment when i figuere out why. shame on him for passively claiming to be the brains behind all of these great creations
Hey Ravric, Thanks for putting this info out there. I was/am an LSG fan, and I was a little butthurt that I didnt get credit for my connector tubes. Hopefully Aaron will start putting in that little extra bit of work it takes to do content creators justice. Cheers man.
Thank you for this, Ravric. While I hate to see any negative videos about others in the SE community, sometimes things like this can be necessary for the greater good. It's not easy for creators to always be coming up with something very unique and original. This becomes far more difficult when someone who has celebrity status is taking credit for those who put a ton of thought into their work to make sure they do things that haven't been done before. Hopefully the resolution to this issue will not cause further conflict.
FOR PEOPLE WHO (somehow) DIDN'T GET THE POINT HE WAS MAKING --- he wasn't complaining because Arron copies and pastes he is annoyed because he rarely ever links to the original creation and when he does, the links rarely work
I honestly thank you for making this video. This video was a bit heart breaking. I have been a subscriber to LSG since the release of Space Engineers. Was inspired to build a computer to play the game. Then seeing this.... Well.... Screw LSG.
I always thought it was odd how many projects and big ships LSG is able to put together and "Design". i appreciate you bringing this subject into light and informing us about how someone is lying to the community. So i want to say thank you.
+paul josephs Currently in progress of building a $2,000 rig, PCPartPicker link posted on my Twitter profile. Check it out if you like @UltimateCatTree
It's shameful that a RUclipsr and a well known one such as LSG does this. I sincerely hope that Arron will do the right thing and make a video admitting his mistake amd preventing them from further happening. Arron, if by any chance you are reading this, then please do the honourable thing!
thank you very much for this Ravric! I was pretty mad when I saw LSG copy my auto follow drone, tbh I didnt even know he also stole my auto follow car! You made me pride Ravric! Your friend gFleka
Thanks for the links and credits. I always thought his videos were a little light on giving credit for his inspiration. I do want to point out that him being out there and popular-ish does bring in more players and more money for Keen to keep working on this game for all the rest of us though, so though I'm not cool with claiming other people's stuff as your own, I don't want to come off saying that I don't appreciate LSG's contribution to the Space Engineers community. Last words here though, I think you did a GREAT job of tracking down all the original pieces to give them credit. Perhaps you could reach out to LSG and help him out with being more accurate with giving credit on all of his future videos?
personally, i don't think there's any problem with copy-paste (+ maybe a little re-designing) but srsly, i think he should give credit, like, at least a link in the description to where the original ship/vehicle came from.
+Luzilyo Stormchild That, and present the build as someone else's work, not your own. If he was writing an academic paper and acted as if someone else's quote was his own he'd get into some serious s**t!
Actually it isn't you train as he completely modified the entire chassis, the rail system was the only thing that was left completely the same, you don't get credit for the base if it was completely altered.
@@RavricVid yeah you still don't get credit for designing the base if he added enough onto the train for it to require a side by side comparison to see the similarities. There is a difference between stealing the design and using the same design language.
@@TheStripeTailedFiend if you took away what he copied there would be no train. He did not build a train, he copied then swapped and added blocks a few blocks. You probably would be defending LSG if the only thing he did was changed the color.
@@TheStripeTailedFiend sigh... LSG said he built a train but what he did was take mine and slightly modified it. He did not build a train and add the wheel system to it. Around 60%-80% of the all blocks and 100% critical parts to make it function as a train are identical. Usually the album with showing components/blocks in the exact same spot, length of the train being identical. Please, go actually look at the album I linked.
Wow... I really have to thank you for pointing that out. I always just wondered "How the ... can this guy have one or two awesome ideas per week!?" It would certainly be less worse (actually not even something one would need or want to complain about) if he would give credit for the stuff he used as a base for his modifications. Most times he doesn't give any credit for the "template" he used though, and that's the really bad part about it. And about the last point on your list, the "not listening to community": There, I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. He has quite a lot of videos, so some comments might slip through. After all, he cannot read every comment and might just forget some. With almost 370,000 subscribers I could imagine that one could easily fail at listening to everything. But the rest is still unforgivable. Unless he would change every description to credit the makers and point his mistake out with annotations in the video, and do that for every video where he did that, of course.
Here the sad thing he riped off one of my friends and mine capital mining ship's build repainted it called it his own. That ship took us 2 weeks to do upload to workshop and find lsg had stolen it
The worst part is just reading comments (a bit hilarious at this point) of people trying to explain away plagiarism as "it is just a game" and confirmation biased opinions. I been busy but I would like to know about your capital mining ship and the video in question.
Nick Daria I also hate when people say the "it's just a game" argument. But your refutation is retarded and wrong. When someone says "it's just a game", they wonder why someone would get upset over something that happened in that game. If you pirate a movie, you are actually contributing to loss of income. Save, not always, but sometimes. There's no "unfarfetched" way thst you can claim stealing someones creation in a game is contributing to a loss of income.
How the fuck do you pirate an open source software? You can't pirate something that's free, so my point still stands. So what else can you gain, other than income? Fame? highly unlikely in a game like this...
"You're taking an SE argument way to seriously!" This is a statement of a losing party. First of all, pirating is the same thing as stealing. Second: If i pass over some OC software to you, and i say that i have created it, how does that damage the developer in any real way? Don't try to change your argument when your ship is sinking.
I guess I have no sense of time, I see that his video was practically the day the Programmable blocks came available and NO they couldn't do that back then.
+Ravric Vid Aaron is in the closed testing group mind you, so that might have had something to do with it, although the CTG only get's updates 1 week early, so he may not have had it anyway. He's still horrible from what I can see though
Not to play devil's advocate, but two things aren't being taken into account. First off is the fact that as of recent these stolen content videos have become very scarce, and have been replaced with the (albeit less entertaining) reviews of ships from the workshop. Secondly, there really is just something that can't be competed with about LSG: he's entertaining. The fact of the matter is that at the end of the day, people aren't gonna care about how original the content is, just that the video is entertaining, and quite frankly I'd be surprised if very many people at all even check the description for the links, I sure as hell know I don't. In short: Yes, he has stolen stuff in the past, but he is clearly aware and attempting to move away from it now, and in all honesty who really cared to start with? Legitimate or not, he's entertaining.
+L C Yo this is just like the Frankie thing sure hes entertaining but when you find out hes a scumbag it really turns you off like what else is this guy lying to you about. Plus for people that want the mods featured in his vid to use on their own builds it really sucks and I know its not hard to add a hyper link and 2 words.
i have always wanderd how he can make beautiful designs on his 'own' but when he is in multiplayer his designs are shit but why is he copying everything i just dont understand .
I unsubbed from LSG long ago because there was no creativity and he was getting celebrity-itis. I didn't know it was this bad, though. It's sad that something like this is necessary. Good on you for sticking your neck out for all content creators, though. The game would not be what it is without them.
Policies and common sense around "stealing" of art and in-game creation are strong but diverse; there's no laws or global standard, hence it's all up to a discussion of a community to draw the line. Though, and therefore, it's definitely his mistake to have caused this argument on himself; he will lose some portion of his fan base and make enemies in the community. For the sake of defining the community's standard around this topic, I'd support spreading this matter to a wider range of people
I came in here with an extreme bias because I enjoy watching LSG but this...that's too many examples and you are correct. I'm not the most creative and love learning from others work but the least you can do is be honest and give credit.
Yeah so true I've been in love with drone's since before I saw space engineers And I was heavily inspired by Aaron's drone's but at least I'll give him credit for the design and or inspiration I don't want to be a built thief it's just as bad as being an art thef.
I broke out laughing when you cut his favorite building method back in. That all sucks I think I'm done watching them now. Guess ill just have to use your channel to replace them. Oh well. Love your builds by the way pretty cool. Some of them have inspired (not Aarons meaning) builds I've done.
Yea that video of him showing how he builds came out days before I put this video together. That is just wtf and funny since he himself explained how he plagiarizes the workshop. Unfortunately my channel is currently inactive till SE gets to a satisfactory state (waiting for the "stable build" or later if need be). Things will get interesting though. Lol at the Inspired part. I would be glad to see what you did.
Yeah I've been taking a break from space engineers waiting for a more stable multiplayer as I like to do co-op builds with friends. If you want to check my builds I'm Shattucknick on steam but I don't know for sure if I posted anything directly inspired by your work as I tend to leave projects uncompleted (or accidently destroy them with faulty pistons and rotors without a backup save). I would have to check. Anyways I think you've inspired me to go back and try and finish my biggest build ever. Hope you get back into it soon. Best of luck.
Just an idea that occurred to me: LastStandGamers, if I remember right, gets paid by Keen to make videos about space engineers (don't know if that's still a thing). Perhaps if this video makes its way to Keen you might see some action on it.
I always felt something was.... off. I started getting bad vibes from LSG at around the time that the only thing they actually did in the LP was have Tazoo screwing everything over. +Ravric Vid I take my hat off to you. This was a lot of work, and I'm glad to see that someone still cares about truth.
Yea I had the feeling too at first then it all fell together. Even with this video it is amazing on just how many he has and continues to dupe. Presented was just the tip of the iceburg of Arron deception and it is no doubt he still does it to this day.
I'm just sorry that so many people continue to be blinded by their adoration for him. I suppose I am guilty of it as well though. My love of Sage more or less kept me around the LP series a lot longer than it should've.
I think this video was not clear enough to a point for a particular crowd. "Fanboys" Here is a imgur album i made real quick that should help: imgur.com/a/AMWJF What do you think?
The genuinely sad thing, to me at any rate, is he's doing the opposite of what you should. When I make something and upload it to a sharing site, regardless of game, or whether it's a creation or a mod, I want to inspire people. I want them to go, "Now that's a great concept. How can I build from the ground up, using that concept as the guide?" I"m a big fan of people using my ideas to spur their own creations. But, I don't care for people simply modifying my creations and saying "Look what I made." My rule of thumb, "The idea is open for anyone to use. But my particular iteration of it, is mine. Build something better, or more extravagant." I guess it stems from being competitive and wanting people to push me to make bigger and better things to keep up with their takes on my ideas.
I knew he used your train in the train video, but I could not see the rest. Thanks for making this video. and what have we learned here? ALWAYS credit other people their creations.
+Oryx TheMad God Me thinks Sage caught on... about the time that he stopped making the joint survival. He said something like "not that Arron is a bad person" in one of his videos regarding why he stopped recording and uploading the survival, oddly he didn't offer any context to that (From what i can remember, it was a while back).
Who the fuck cares??? Maybe he did reverse engineer these items to make his own, there's no such thing as patents in SE. And it's not like you can even definitively proved he copied their designs. Just because someone invents someone that does something, and then another person invents something that does the same thing, doesn't mean they copied them.
Ravric is making money off this vid aswell so your point is invalid I agree that thievery is wrong but even my ideas have been similar to other peoples designs, theres only a limited amount of designs for devices made for specific tasks. So I can't say any of this is proof. also splicing two things together and claiming its new is not a new thing. heard of the spork? combining two devices into one can sometimes be the simplest solution for making a desired design.
+Alexander Peterson Risberg He did give credit to that one in the video description, half assed as the link doesn't work, but still.. Don't know if that was added after this video posted tho. Definitely fooled me in the past tho.. Super annoyed.
+HJK148 good point, I am still just shocked at how much content he seems to have copied and pasted. However, makes me glad that I haven't uploaded anything of mine yet.
"Support Content Creators" That is great, thank you mate. I didn't know how much he actually copied. I think creators like we are should stand togehter more often when it comes to spot copies. You know how much afford goes to complex things like your beautiful train or walkers or wathever.
after watching this again I've got to say, Using other peoples vehicles and shit like that by just copying it and making no new changes, But if its shit like a staircase, What happens if somebody else wants to use it? Then everyone who wants to use a staircase like that is a copycat? When it comes to shit like suspensions,Ramps,doors, Shit like that, What happens if somebody gets inspired by them but put them in their own vehicle. Or better yet what if they just think of it without even running into it anywhere, Then what? They thought of it and they didn't get any inspiration from it, So its not stolen. at the end of the day your imagination is just combining things you've heard or seen in your life so if you combine two things thats your own creative thing, Now it would be best to not just combine two things, But more like 10-20 That way its your original thing that you've made.
Phaztom if you just so happen to come up with something 1 or 2 maby 5 times that's fine haveing a Extremely similar creations down to the exact frame enough to make a 13 minute video off of... somethings wrong
+Ravric Vid i was thinking about it for a long time but i really like that someone make a video making tose think visible to everione sorry for english but i'm italian XD
+Zackeryeh Salloum Wow adding that to the ever growing list. He does mention the creator's name but there is link and it is broken like most of his links.
I would like to point out that anyone can design a replica of something or something that looks similar to anything, now you can sit there and say it is a copy all you want but I could say the same for several of my hiigaran ships which every builder in the game could make identical copies!
ok i have seen everything, and I am being very objective when i think that 1, your argument is not sound there are differences that you are not noticing, yes he did take heavy heavy inspiration from your designs however those designs were also much more different then what your a comparing in this video, so you can sit there and say he is copying and not giving credit for some things, but lemmie ask. Have you ever built tank treads? I have and they turned out just like the one in the video, it is actually a common design, next have you ever tried doing ship interiors? lemmie tell yea, making a decent design is hard, then you find one the looks almost like your dream one so you recreate it but change it to the way YOU want it, like LSG did AND he gave credit for it.
Dude he copy/pasted the whole train and altered it lightly and no he did not give me credit for the train. You are not being objective when you are ignoring the obvious.
You can't defend LSG after watching this ALL THE WAY THROUGH, It is fairly obvious He has stolen others content, too the point He can't just go "oops forgot to add links to my videos". YES, He does credit 1/100 people for their designs, but seriously the majority of "His" stuff He has uploaded to his channel that "He has made" is actually a majority of the cool stuff from the workshop He has come across combined which is a nice idea, but He credits himself for it and in some cases like I said He credits like 1 person of the 10 He has taken stuff from.
+slimeboy 256 First you need to sort your grammar out, most people aren't perfect but I'm sure they, and you, can do better than that, second, If you actually watch the video all the way through, you will see that what He has done, you just cannot deny or defend, and when and how in hell did He get proof of his innocence?
+Ravric Vid looks like LAG just lost a sub... and you just got one! Honestly, I had no idea until I looked at the comments of his airship video. It's one thing to use other people's creations, but to not give them credit where credit is the is wrong. And here I thought his stuff had been completely original! Besides, your stuff is better, Ravric. (I don't much like MeowCaptain, either).
+Chris Kruining dont unsub yet, we should all go and monitor his channel and when he uploads find the original workshop item and paste the link a few times till it gets top comment, hopefully lsg will become aware of his wrongdoing
Yeah, he never does put in those links that he says he will. I was wondering how he comes up with all these ideas, and then makes them happen. That would be impossible for any normal player to do.
@@a.morphous66 they guy that designed artificial saltpeter and ruined my country's economy for the next 80 years, even tought he participed in the creation of mustang gas and has been charged as a war criminal?
Do got to say one thing about the argument is that the workshop is made for people to find ships modify them and then improve them like the train all he did is take the wheels and made the Armored train which all it is a more useful then the train you made in a survival situation in space engineers. And by the way i do know how it feels to have you creation stolen from you well hope you are getting less made PS. do hope LSG dose something about this though like the no credit.
It isn't the problem of taking, using, and modifying things on the workshop. Like you said, that's what it's there for. The problem is that Arron from LSG is taking those creations, slightly modifying them, then claiming they are his in monetized youtube video's. It would be the same is if I took an iPhone, changed the case a little, then sold it as a my own product.
@@TheStripeTailedFiend i guess taking apples hardware and software designs isn't stealing. Go ahead and sell iOS phones under your own brand and see how fast you get slapped with a cease and desist order.
I didn't know this! I am fucking pissed off! I always thought his work was good but stealing it is uncalled for! I loved his survival series though but I might be unsubscribing
If LSG did steal your work I'm sorry to hear and that you didn't get popular like his youtube videos. I've been watching LSG because I needed some training in SE and his videos popped up first when searching. I honestly never heard of you until I went on the steam community and saw one of your uploads. It sounds like you got beef with Arron, but LSG has been able to help the community a lot with those videos
I've given you a sub for the work it took to compile the video with comparisons, but I'm still going to watch LSG's videos. I understand the whole piracy thing (believe me, my heart aches with how fast my blood pumps when I get angry over this), but when you make something then you must market it; otherwise someone else will. See: every dead company ever. Notably Telsa VS uknowho
+Seduce Me With Fried Chicken "Hello Arron I noticed that you often deceive your viewers and misappropriate credit. Can you bring this to light with an apology that will implicate yourself in wrongdoing?" He would more than likely ignore that seeing how he has Ignored me in the past with a simple thing regarding my Solar Array and that he does things like this: i.imgur.com/3twHPRZ.png often
+Ravric Vid Still wouldn't have hurt to atleast try to reach him before flaming him like this? Not that you shouldn't have posted, just some desency is all. Even if you think he has none it's still not a very classy thing to do.
better to insult him and maybe shock him into crediting the original builders. im surprised no one did a vid like this till now, arron has been stealing stuff and claiming it as his own forever now and i thought everyone knew that.
+Ravric Vid That sounds like a 'no' then. You raise a good point, LSG should give more credit to content creators, and I think you're rightfully angry. But the way you're going about it, with the Title Cards and the Conspiracy Theory music track, makes you come off as passive aggressive and vindictive. Also, I think that destroying LSG would be a major loss to the Space Engineers community. Just as much as a loss as losing brilliant content creators like yourself. Aaron might not be a brilliant builder, but he does a pretty awesome job at showcasing the possibilities of Space Engineers. There are so many times I've run out to start my own design (from scratch, mind you) or download another content creator's ship, because of what I saw on LSG.
+Jonas Carlsteg . I must remind you that he never replied to to me regarding the video he made of my Solar Array. So lets say am able to do what others have failed to do and reach him. Will he willingly come forward with this self implicating information and apologize that to all of his viewers are unaware of it all?
Sweet fucking jesus I was watching this early on going "Nahh that's just a coincidence" and now I'm halfway through like "WHAT A FUCKING PIG" Really bad copypasta. Jesus christ.
ugh. While it's certainly possible to independently recreate the same design as someone else, especially if the possible solutions are heavily constrained (how many ways could you really define a wheel arrangement on a track, a coupling system, a door mechanism or a guidance and tracking system before designs created independently start to look alike?), there are way too many such things going on here for it to be likely that it's just coincidence. And where entire ship designs (rather than just mechanics, which are inherently more constrained by functional limits) seem suspiciously similar... Yeah... That's not... That points to something.... There's a word for that. No... Not patent infringement (what patents exactly), nope, not copyright infringement (the workshop lets you do this anyway, by definition of someone uploading it, not to mention how you can't really copyright ideas, only specific expressions of ideas), no, the word we are looking for is plagiarism. - taking someone else's work, making no or minimal changes, and then pretending it's your own work, and not acknowledging that you copied it, or who from. Yes, this is plagiarism.
@@RavricVid there are only marginal similarities between the two, this is like saying that he copied your entire train because it is shaped like a train
What we have to do is try get him make a video to say he has copied, make him admit it that he's been copying. By doing this he won't copy without giving credit because people are now taking notice to what he is doing. I won't unsubscribe because he is s good person in my eyes (this doesn't mean what he's doing isn't wrong).
Wow. This is really well researched from start to finish. I knew for a long time that LSG is not the best when giving credit, but I thought that this was mostly due to laziness. I think that many people knew about one or two transgressions of his, but no one seems to have taken the time to collect enough data to come to your devastating conclusion. That being said, I never really liked his channel that much, because he never talked like an engineer. He lacks the kind of passion you can see with let's say Wasted Space when talking about "his" creations. I guess now we know why. By the way, here is another thing you can add to your list I remember someone pointed out in the forums a long time ago. It's not one of his worst scrams, because the stolen build was not what was showcased and he never claimed it to be his, but then again, he didn't even mention he used stuff from somebody else in that video. forums.keenswh.com/threads/multi-turret-control-system-control-multiple-turrets-with-your-mouse-code-published.7262456/page-2#post-1286007085 The only thing I am not too sure about is the whole thing about Meow Captain. You sure have the right to be angry about what happened in your case, but to me that single case is not enough to invalidate his entire channel. Some of the spam he does is actually funny (and yes, I did say "some" on purpose) and I have yet to see him withholding credit for something somebody else created. That being said, you also mentioned that there is more stuff about him that you want to look into first, so I'll withhold judgement until I have all the info.
the train was built out of the wheels design and he gave credit. and the middle was by your admission reverse engineered and he changed it making it into his own design. that a not stealing at all
I was a big fan of LSG. Really was. But i'm not blinded by blatant shit like most of his fanboys who disliked it. Unsubbed from him and a sub to you ravric
+Shanerighteou it's not the point tho, LSG puts no effort into changing other people's designs and doesn't provide credit, this guy may well be looking for subs but he's also providing us with the truth that not many people seek for so why your getting so aggressive over LSG losing a sub is beyond me as last time I checked you didn't represent LSG ?
you do realize that he could've built the things 'presented' as evidence BEFORE finding out someone else built them, make a solid 'case' before you go off and accuse someone of something just to please your pride
People are selfish, you idiot. it's normal to search for pride. THE THING IS that he uncovered the truth. I'm not going to sub him, but I'm going to stop liking LSG videos where he shows ships. (edited for FRIGGIN GRAMMAR)
But there is a difference. Copy and steal are very similar things, but the amount is the real question. If you steal from just 1 person, that is very bad and everybody will call you a thief (LSG does this) But if you steal from 100 people, people will call you original, so you always need to steal just a little parts from many things and you will be succesful, otherwise it sucks.
Thanks for revealing this. Ill still watch LSG, but i will keep this in mind. Edit: Wait, Why are you complaining about Meowcaptain? He hasn't done anything wrong.
Have got a agree if you have talked to arron about this it would have been dealt with silently it seems you made this video because you're pissed that he used your idea
+Ro Al no its completely unnecessary, it's not like ravric has never done anything wrong. How would you feel if you had done all this and someone had made video pointing out everything you have done wrong?
soooo did you take his youtube content without his permission to make this video, i assume that since your complaining about him stealing stuff (that under fair use anyway on the workshop) you didn't just take his videos, cause theres a few copyright laws against that.....
+Chubba Mantis If you are commenting upon or critiquing a copyrighted work - for instance, writing a book review - fair use principles allow you to reproduce some of the work to achieve your purposes. -Stanford university libraries: what is fair use? fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/what-is-fair-use/
I don't know which is sadder, the fact that LSG stole designs and claimed they were his, or the fact that all of his fanboys are disliking this video. There is no reason for this vid to have 3k likes and 2k dislikes.
That's what's "Hot" on the internet now. Everyone has to expose everyone else. Of what? Who the Hell knows, all they know is that it has to be exposed to RUclips.
I'm curious as to whether or not he still does this? I have only gotten into space engineers in the last few months (even tho I've owned it since before planets were a thing, just never had time for it), and I really enjoy his server tour videos. I don't really see anything wrong with what he's actually doing in-game (the editting other people's work), and I know there's a LOT of people who do the same. I'd wager it's how a lot of people have learned how to build various things (taking apart a mech and editting it is how I learned to build them myself), but not giving proper credit is absolutely wrong. The spelling mistakes are so consistently wrong (wrong apostrophes, wrong there/their/they're, etc.) that I almost believe they're intentional simply because it's ALWAYS the EXACT same mistake (ALWAYS their instead of there but never they're, etc.). Thanks for the information, definitely gonna keep this in mind while watching any of his build showcase videos.
Let me start by saying that I agree that he needs to be more clear in his citations. I have watched Aaron's videos for a long time and knew from the get go that these are spotlights from the workshop. It's pretty clear these are things he found on the workshop and modified in some way. To say he's "stealing" or "deceptive" is really a bit much and rather witch-hunty. Sure his channel management could use work when it comes to citing the original creators, but you really come off as rather butt hurt about...something? One example is from your pastebin list of things that didn't make it into the video, specifically the blood gulch map. You say he uses the map often and doesn't really credit you very well, yet right in the description(first thing right below the actual video description) is a link to YOUR workshop page where the map came from. On the blimp video you say he doesn't link and yet there it is, right in the description, a link to the original creator's workshop page. Even the original creator says LSG didn't steal anything. You criticize him for ignoring comments in the helicopter video. what does that have to do with the main point of your video? Do you expect every youtuber to immediately address every issue every commenter makes? Also, why are you bringing up Meow Captain? I thought the video was about how you think LSG is deceptive and shady. You criticize the DFL videos because it dropped off and you didn't like the way it was done. what does that have to do with deception? Things come and go and shit happens. how many other youtubers have dropped a series mid stride because of some reason or another? It doesn't make them bad, it just means priorities change. You criticize his use of the phrase "inspired by," so what would you have him say? "I?" That's just being nit-picky. Sure he can do a better job of citing creators, and there are a lot of youtubers out there that do a better job than him. There are also a lot out there that make better pitchfork videos than you. TL;DR: Slow your roll son.
I agree with this. also it is kinda important that LSG RUclips channel is pretty much just a casual hobby. he does all that in free time and the "intent" is never to steal anything.
thx 4 the heads up. I watched a lot of his vids to gather ideas on how to get things to work, especially when I was lost on getting where I wanted to go. I guess I also 'reverse engineer' others peoples ideas, but at least only for my own maps and I don't go slapping another color on and passing them off for my own.
There was waayyyy too much time and effort put into trying to 'expose' a RUclipsr who makes fucking space engineers videos. You may be right, you may be wrong, I don't give a shit. It's a video about a game where you out different blocks together to create things. It's not like he's stealing revenue or anything.
You are right it's a video game,but people still put time and effort into it,and he just steals it,recolors it and says it's his,If you spent something like 3 days building something and uploaded it to the workshop,then some big youtuber comes and steals it and say's it's his,you would be pissed as he's also making money off that video.
It might be a "game about placing blocks", but designing something useful is not a trivial undertaking. His channel wouldn't be possible without people building these things to "showcase". For every hour of video he produces, hundreds are likely put in by the people who build the creations. And, he makes a significant amount of money from it. Long story short, he is using his authoritative position as a youtuber to steal other peoples work and pass it off as his own. That makes him a scumbag. People don't like scumbags.
I'm so disappointed in Arron... He could have just made it a workshop spotlight, why this shady content theft? Honestly good job for putting
out the truth
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Pro trick : watch series at Flixzone. Been using them for watching loads of movies these days.
@Axton Heath definitely, have been watching on Flixzone for since november myself =)
@Axton Heath Yea, been using Flixzone for since november myself :D
LSG: You made this?
Author: Yup!
LSG: I made this.
So true
3 years later, they still don't like posting credit.
And gets salty when people ask him about it
@@Waldherz this sounds like a fun game to me
Frankly I always figured most of these ideas were coming from other people, but I wouldn't have thought it included the ones he took verbal credit for. Good vid.
Thinking about it, in his survival series he never gets anywhere close to mechanics like these.
And now he's working for Keen, go figure. And you try and bring it up in Space Engineers Discord, they sweep it under the rug as 8 year old news or say that it's not plagiarism or maybe he just forgot to link the original creators.
Damn, Ravric, you convinced me. I enjoy LSG but I do not stand for cheating and lying. Thanks.
Anyone come down here to see if leg fans started fighting down here
Lsg
Lol, I still think it's good that he actually did credit raverick in stating of how raverick designed the wheel traction system, but yeah, there you go, have to pay attention to detail, not difficult to just redesign something, so I just have to say it, for everyone, stop complaining, it's a game, it's a forwarded idea someone took, I'm just putting it out there (:
@@weetodd9879 found the content theft defender
@@nathanharrison2 I was making a point, not my fault you guys get so easily upset about something so simple
It's a basic function you can make in a video game. And it's been cleared up so.... why are you making this comment. And why this late?
His voice gets funny and his speech turns into a mumble when he lies
With you 100% on this Ravric. LSG and people like him who feed off others suck, especially when there's very little you can do to protect your work. Hopefully he gets honest or people flock to more genuine content creators.
First rule.. always reference your 'inspiration'. NEVER take credit for what others have built or designed. Damn son... I'm a Design Engineer IRL and hearing of this grim behaviour is completely insane, LSG and any others who do the same really should know better.
As someone who makes SE RUclips videos and builds a lot of ships and vehicles (I actually build them myself), I’ve always been baffled at the quantity of builds and videos LSG has been able to put out - it’s just too many complex concepts and large builds. Add to that the time it takes to put together a video and it just doesn’t add up, until now...
To make matters worse, by passing off other people’s builds on his videos he is really committing material fraud by making a not-so-insignificant amount of money from his channel, which surely wouldn’t be as successful without all these creations OTHER people made. Shameful.
Thank you for making this video Ravric.
thats exactly what i thought, so many complex designs in so little time, something had to be fishy
Or smell weird, your choice.
GopeScope Gaming I never noticed anything. I don't go often in the steam workshop.
But why saying "inspired" instead of "modifying". + He doesn't give any links to the viewers about the original creations.
He quickly passes from someone awesome to someone completely bored and foolish, trying to fool people.
Thanks for the light.
Yea it never added up till a friend linked me the video of my slightly altered train. Then it became clear and likely that he has done it many more times. The video barely scratches the surface of what I put together a year ago, what I learned since then, and the videos after which I have not watched except a few that were brought up to me.
I don't do SE much anymore. Waiting for KSH to get the game properly working at or better than it did mid 2015 is sad because I have so much still wanting to do.
Ya a lot of potential that I'm now thinking will never really amount to anything - they seem to be spending time polishing a bit of a turd at the moment (i.e. working on nice looking textures when multiplayer is still garbage) Hopefully it ends up being as great as we all hoped it might be, but I've lost interest and hope that it will happen.
Someone had to step up and say it! thanks Ravric, you've done the community a great, much needed, service! ;D
RySome yes its bad he dosnt link but he did change them it like saying when someone made a bunk bed it was a bed someone else thought of it but someone else changed ut for the better
@@commanderwolf5827 This is more like putting a cupholder on a bed and saying you invented a bed with a cupholder
Gosh, I hope this issue doesn't divide the SE community... The SE community is (on the whole) really fantastic. Hopefully we can find resolution sooner than later.
agreed
I see you've never seen a debate about shields or planets (pre-planets). ;P
I've heard tales of these mythical debates....
Some say, they were so heated people burnt up on forum re-entry.
Some say, there were so many voices the Earth ran out of ice for oxygen.
Still others say that Keen was receiving so much incoming fire, they ran out of deflector shields to put in the game.
+Jetfire I agree the space engineers community is so great it would be a real shame to divide it, it would have been better if ravric just contacted Aaron and the issue would be sorted out, plus ravric seemed a bit mad, he could have got the point across with two examples, ravric ribbed it in a bit much
I am so shocked from this, I've been watching LSG for a long time now and I really enjoyed his videos about stuff he made...
Thanks for telling this, now I know the truth.
I simply can't believe this, O_O. Why I didn't see it when he did the train video?? I knew yours for long and "his" obviously made me recall yours, but I couldn't see that it used the identical system in EVERY senses. I'm so disappointed about him right now. He inspired me to start with Space Engineers and also to create my channel around the game, but never for stealing others creations. That's completely out of the point.
I have un-subbed from him, and I'm sure there are other people like me that are not super involved in the steam workshop to notice this. So thank you for getting the word out.
True that!
i've always thought he was an ass, and see'ing this just gives me that "aha" moment when i figuere out why. shame on him for passively claiming to be the brains behind all of these great creations
Hey Ravric, Thanks for putting this info out there. I was/am an LSG fan, and I was a little butthurt that I didnt get credit for my connector tubes. Hopefully Aaron will start putting in that little extra bit of work it takes to do content creators justice. Cheers man.
"he stole your armour train" then you rip yours apart and make it look like his haha.
Well spotted I think it's just a bit of an ass move to nick other people stuff then not give credit
In a conversion process you don't need to disconnect and the train can be moving. Here is a imgur album for more detail: imgur.com/a/AMWJF
i wouldnt need to worry that someone would steal my ships because they all look like shit ;-;7
Same
same
same :(
Same LOL!
Heh... Same...
Thank you for this, Ravric. While I hate to see any negative videos about others in the SE community, sometimes things like this can be necessary for the greater good. It's not easy for creators to always be coming up with something very unique and original. This becomes far more difficult when someone who has celebrity status is taking credit for those who put a ton of thought into their work to make sure they do things that haven't been done before. Hopefully the resolution to this issue will not cause further conflict.
You know everything on the workshop is fair use, right?
+Kerbal AirForce ruclips.net/video/T_dXEZhY8as/видео.html&nohtml5
+Kerbal AirForce Doesn't mean you should claim credit for it, though
+Kerbal AirForce Claiming credits for something someone else did isn't fair use, he isn't even doing a review of other people
+Kerbal AirForce Claiming credits for something someone else did isn't fair use, he isn't even doing a review of other people
+armorhide406 Morally, yes you should credit someone. However some people don't and it isn't required due to it being fair use.
he should just call his channel "an inspiration"
I am fine with the fact that he just repaints ships. But i am NOT OK with him claiming it is his work or giving .0001 credit
FOR PEOPLE WHO (somehow) DIDN'T GET THE POINT HE WAS MAKING --- he wasn't complaining because Arron copies and pastes he is annoyed because he rarely ever links to the original creation and when he does, the links rarely work
I honestly thank you for making this video. This video was a bit heart breaking. I have been a subscriber to LSG since the release of Space Engineers. Was inspired to build a computer to play the game. Then seeing this.... Well.... Screw LSG.
double lol
+No Game No Fame is your name a reference to No game no life?
+Derek Hanson (RAZOR GAMING) no i litrely just have that like name couse i think it sounds cool
+No Game No Fame it's cool man I thought I would ask.
Ah an "No game No life" fan? ^^
I didn't think that I would get featured in a video like this. I just couldn't take his apostrophe mistakes anymore.
Worse are his pronunciation mistakes. 'An-dro-mee-da' for example.
eugh...
Joel Schantz I have exactly the same accent, we're from the same region of the UK.
It ain't that hard.
I always thought it was odd how many projects and big ships LSG is able to put together and "Design". i appreciate you bringing this subject into light and informing us about how someone is lying to the community. So i want to say thank you.
Thinking that this is why Sage left JS
+Ianbreve Yao Joint Survival
He is stoll there though he just didnt upload his JS
Yeah I mean. Sage uploaded the most Join Survival. literally missing out nothing where as the others only put the interesting stuff up
waterlubber ddd
waterlubber same
Thank you Ravric. I'm glad this was pointed out. I dont pay enough attention to notice (because I can't run the game yet)
+UCT Gaming you need a five hundred pound machine to run it, its a shame because I Really like the look of the game.
+paul josephs Currently in progress of building a $2,000 rig, PCPartPicker link posted on my Twitter profile. Check it out if you like @UltimateCatTree
I'm jealouse
It's shameful that a RUclipsr and a well known one such as LSG does this. I sincerely hope that Arron will do the right thing and make a video admitting his mistake amd preventing them from further happening. Arron, if by any chance you are reading this, then please do the honourable thing!
And now he's doing the voiceover for Keen announcing the grid system in SE2. Yikes
thank you very much for this Ravric! I was pretty mad when I saw LSG copy my auto follow drone, tbh I didnt even know he also stole my auto follow car!
You made me pride Ravric!
Your friend gFleka
+Nino “gFleka” Krizanec It was the opposite for me, I spotted the auto follow car but then it brought up your drone which then fell together..
+Ravric Vid I did make the follow car later I think, been quite some time since I did something big...
This might be the first Space Engineers video Meow Captain hasn't commented on 2 seconds after it was uploaded.
I think someones a bit salty because LSG has more subs than him
Thanks for the links and credits. I always thought his videos were a little light on giving credit for his inspiration. I do want to point out that him being out there and popular-ish does bring in more players and more money for Keen to keep working on this game for all the rest of us though, so though I'm not cool with claiming other people's stuff as your own, I don't want to come off saying that I don't appreciate LSG's contribution to the Space Engineers community.
Last words here though, I think you did a GREAT job of tracking down all the original pieces to give them credit. Perhaps you could reach out to LSG and help him out with being more accurate with giving credit on all of his future videos?
LSG gives KeenSWH rusty trombones in exchange for some sort of kickback. LSG is more or less an advertising group for them.
personally, i don't think there's any problem with copy-paste (+ maybe a little re-designing) but srsly, i think he should give credit, like, at least a link in the description to where the original ship/vehicle came from.
+Luzilyo Stormchild That, and present the build as someone else's work, not your own. If he was writing an academic paper and acted as if someone else's quote was his own he'd get into some serious s**t!
Actually it isn't you train as he completely modified the entire chassis, the rail system was the only thing that was left completely the same, you don't get credit for the base if it was completely altered.
imgur.com/a/AMWJF
@@RavricVid yeah you still don't get credit for designing the base if he added enough onto the train for it to require a side by side comparison to see the similarities. There is a difference between stealing the design and using the same design language.
@@TheStripeTailedFiend if you took away what he copied there would be no train. He did not build a train, he copied then swapped and added blocks a few blocks. You probably would be defending LSG if the only thing he did was changed the color.
@@RavricVid no because changing just the color is stealing, adding onto the design of the train while communicating the same design language is not.
@@TheStripeTailedFiend sigh... LSG said he built a train but what he did was take mine and slightly modified it. He did not build a train and add the wheel system to it.
Around 60%-80% of the all blocks and 100% critical parts to make it function as a train are identical.
Usually the album with showing components/blocks in the exact same spot, length of the train being identical.
Please, go actually look at the album I linked.
Well, there's overwhelming evidence here.
Wow... I really have to thank you for pointing that out. I always just wondered "How the ... can this guy have one or two awesome ideas per week!?"
It would certainly be less worse (actually not even something one would need or want to complain about) if he would give credit for the stuff he used as a base for his modifications. Most times he doesn't give any credit for the "template" he used though, and that's the really bad part about it.
And about the last point on your list, the "not listening to community": There, I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. He has quite a lot of videos, so some comments might slip through. After all, he cannot read every comment and might just forget some. With almost 370,000 subscribers I could imagine that one could easily fail at listening to everything.
But the rest is still unforgivable. Unless he would change every description to credit the makers and point his mistake out with annotations in the video, and do that for every video where he did that, of course.
Damn... I'll still watch his videos, but I'll keep this in mind.
I want to make ships, but they always turn out ugly and when it comes to interiors I'm fucked...
Same D:
Newbtron this is not true
just keep making ships for 100 hrs in game that will make you an exper.
Newbtron same
Here the sad thing he riped off one of my friends and mine capital mining ship's build repainted it called it his own. That ship took us 2 weeks to do upload to workshop and find lsg had stolen it
The worst part is just reading comments (a bit hilarious at this point) of people trying to explain away plagiarism as "it is just a game" and confirmation biased opinions.
I been busy but I would like to know about your capital mining ship and the video in question.
So?
Nick Daria I also hate when people say the "it's just a game" argument. But your refutation is retarded and wrong.
When someone says "it's just a game", they wonder why someone would get upset over something that happened in that game. If you pirate a movie, you are actually contributing to loss of income. Save, not always, but sometimes.
There's no "unfarfetched" way thst you can claim stealing someones creation in a game is contributing to a loss of income.
How the fuck do you pirate an open source software? You can't pirate something that's free, so my point still stands.
So what else can you gain, other than income? Fame? highly unlikely in a game like this...
"You're taking an SE argument way to seriously!"
This is a statement of a losing party.
First of all, pirating is the same thing as stealing.
Second:
If i pass over some OC software to you, and i say that i have created it, how does that damage the developer in any real way?
Don't try to change your argument when your ship is sinking.
Ravric, I hate to break the bad news to ya bud, but in-game scripting has had the ability to change light colors for a LONG time.
+Daniel Cason (Morphik) Not when the video was created from what I understand: forum.keenswh.com/threads/change-light-color.7227949/#post-1285626962
I don't understand why he would go through so much editing to show a feature of scripts that wasn't available yet.
I guess I have no sense of time, I see that his video was practically the day the Programmable blocks came available and NO they couldn't do that back then.
+Daniel Cason (Morphik) Also there was no timer block on the grid making how he demonstrated impossible anyway.
+Ravric Vid Aaron is in the closed testing group mind you, so that might have had something to do with it, although the CTG only get's updates 1 week early, so he may not have had it anyway.
He's still horrible from what I can see though
i always wondered how he was able to create loads of cools ships in short amounts of times
Not to play devil's advocate, but two things aren't being taken into account. First off is the fact that as of recent these stolen content videos have become very scarce, and have been replaced with the (albeit less entertaining) reviews of ships from the workshop. Secondly, there really is just something that can't be competed with about LSG: he's entertaining. The fact of the matter is that at the end of the day, people aren't gonna care about how original the content is, just that the video is entertaining, and quite frankly I'd be surprised if very many people at all even check the description for the links, I sure as hell know I don't. In short: Yes, he has stolen stuff in the past, but he is clearly aware and attempting to move away from it now, and in all honesty who really cared to start with? Legitimate or not, he's entertaining.
+L C Yo this is just like the Frankie thing sure hes entertaining but when you find out hes a scumbag it really turns you off like what else is this guy lying to you about. Plus for people that want the mods featured in his vid to use on their own builds it really sucks and I know its not hard to add a hyper link and 2 words.
Ray 1333 I care because he is stealing from other peope
i have always wanderd how he can make beautiful designs on his 'own' but when he is in multiplayer his designs are shit
but why is he copying everything i just dont understand .
i know im late, but i always put it to stage pressure and rushed production live, now i understand
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I unsubbed from LSG long ago because there was no creativity and he was getting celebrity-itis. I didn't know it was this bad, though. It's sad that something like this is necessary. Good on you for sticking your neck out for all content creators, though. The game would not be what it is without them.
Policies and common sense around "stealing" of art and in-game creation are strong but diverse; there's no laws or global standard, hence it's all up to a discussion of a community to draw the line. Though, and therefore, it's definitely his mistake to have caused this argument on himself; he will lose some portion of his fan base and make enemies in the community. For the sake of defining the community's standard around this topic, I'd support spreading this matter to a wider range of people
There is a key about 3 buttons right of the L key, and its called "Enter"
Press it every few sentences to make your comment readable.
Lethal Oxyclean Clorox Bleach yeah this comment doesn't make sense to myself too. I was on something
I came in here with an extreme bias because I enjoy watching LSG but this...that's too many examples and you are correct. I'm not the most creative and love learning from others work but the least you can do is be honest and give credit.
Yeah so true I've been in love with drone's since before I saw space engineers And I was heavily inspired by Aaron's drone's but at least I'll give him credit for the design and or inspiration I don't want to be a built thief it's just as bad as being an art thef.
Ravric: You are awesome. That is all.
I broke out laughing when you cut his favorite building method back in. That all sucks I think I'm done watching them now. Guess ill just have to use your channel to replace them. Oh well. Love your builds by the way pretty cool. Some of them have inspired (not Aarons meaning) builds I've done.
Yea that video of him showing how he builds came out days before I put this video together. That is just wtf and funny since he himself explained how he plagiarizes the workshop.
Unfortunately my channel is currently inactive till SE gets to a satisfactory state (waiting for the "stable build" or later if need be). Things will get interesting though.
Lol at the Inspired part. I would be glad to see what you did.
Yeah I've been taking a break from space engineers waiting for a more stable multiplayer as I like to do co-op builds with friends. If you want to check my builds I'm Shattucknick on steam but I don't know for sure if I posted anything directly inspired by your work as I tend to leave projects uncompleted (or accidently destroy them with faulty pistons and rotors without a backup save). I would have to check. Anyways I think you've inspired me to go back and try and finish my biggest build ever. Hope you get back into it soon. Best of luck.
+Ravric bro start makeing vids if u want lots just play minecraft
Just an idea that occurred to me: LastStandGamers, if I remember right, gets paid by Keen to make videos about space engineers (don't know if that's still a thing). Perhaps if this video makes its way to Keen you might see some action on it.
Nicholas Shattuck
He is paid by Adsense/YT Network not Keen.
I always felt something was.... off. I started getting bad vibes from LSG at around the time that the only thing they actually did in the LP was have Tazoo screwing everything over. +Ravric Vid I take my hat off to you. This was a lot of work, and I'm glad to see that someone still cares about truth.
Yea I had the feeling too at first then it all fell together. Even with this video it is amazing on just how many he has and continues to dupe. Presented was just the tip of the iceburg of Arron deception and it is no doubt he still does it to this day.
I'm just sorry that so many people continue to be blinded by their adoration for him. I suppose I am guilty of it as well though. My love of Sage more or less kept me around the LP series a lot longer than it should've.
I think this video was not clear enough to a point for a particular crowd. "Fanboys" Here is a imgur album i made real quick that should help: imgur.com/a/AMWJF What do you think?
The genuinely sad thing, to me at any rate, is he's doing the opposite of what you should. When I make something and upload it to a sharing site, regardless of game, or whether it's a creation or a mod, I want to inspire people. I want them to go, "Now that's a great concept. How can I build from the ground up, using that concept as the guide?"
I"m a big fan of people using my ideas to spur their own creations. But, I don't care for people simply modifying my creations and saying "Look what I made." My rule of thumb, "The idea is open for anyone to use. But my particular iteration of it, is mine. Build something better, or more extravagant." I guess it stems from being competitive and wanting people to push me to make bigger and better things to keep up with their takes on my ideas.
I knew he used your train in the train video, but I could not see the rest.
Thanks for making this video.
and what have we learned here? ALWAYS credit other people their creations.
I wonder how +Video Sage, +EctoSage and +LevitatingGamers will react to this
+Oryx TheMad God Me thinks Sage caught on... about the time that he stopped making the joint survival. He said something like "not that Arron is a bad person" in one of his videos regarding why he stopped recording and uploading the survival, oddly he didn't offer any context to that (From what i can remember, it was a while back).
+Axel Black yeah I thought the same thing
kudos to you , I hope more space engineers fans see this video!
Who the fuck cares??? Maybe he did reverse engineer these items to make his own, there's no such thing as patents in SE. And it's not like you can even definitively proved he copied their designs. Just because someone invents someone that does something, and then another person invents something that does the same thing, doesn't mean they copied them.
so, he invented tens of things just "too late"?
he's making money off of this shit
It's a law in almost every first world country that plagiarism is illegal...
Ravric is making money off this vid aswell so your point is invalid I agree that thievery is wrong but even my ideas have been similar to other peoples designs, theres only a limited amount of designs for devices made for specific tasks. So I can't say any of this is proof. also splicing two things together and claiming its new is not a new thing. heard of the spork? combining two devices into one can sometimes be the simplest solution for making a desired design.
I am subscribed to LSG and they just released a video about zeppelins in space engenders. Let's see where they got that idea from.
+Alexander Peterson Risberg steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=657543151
+Ravric Vid Holy Sh*t! I feel like, someone just proved to me that the moon landing was fake.
+Alexander Peterson Risberg He did give credit to that one in the video description, half assed as the link doesn't work, but still.. Don't know if that was added after this video posted tho. Definitely fooled me in the past tho.. Super annoyed.
+HJK148 good point, I am still just shocked at how much content he seems to have copied and pasted. However, makes me glad that I haven't uploaded anything of mine yet.
+Alexander Peterson Risberg I'm not going to unsubscribe, but I will troll his comments section until he gives credit to the creators.
"Support Content Creators" That is great, thank you mate. I didn't know how much he actually copied. I think creators like we are should stand togehter more often when it comes to spot copies. You know how much afford goes to complex things like your beautiful train or walkers or wathever.
he stole a large planetary ship I designed repainted it gave it a different bridge and called it his.
after watching this again I've got to say, Using other peoples vehicles and shit like that by just copying it and making no new changes, But if its shit like a staircase, What happens if somebody else wants to use it? Then everyone who wants to use a staircase like that is a copycat? When it comes to shit like suspensions,Ramps,doors, Shit like that, What happens if somebody gets inspired by them but put them in their own vehicle. Or better yet what if they just think of it without even running into it anywhere, Then what? They thought of it and they didn't get any inspiration from it, So its not stolen. at the end of the day your imagination is just combining things you've heard or seen in your life so if you combine two things thats your own creative thing, Now it would be best to not just combine two things, But more like 10-20 That way its your original thing that you've made.
Phaztom, I agree so much with what you just said.
Phaztom hay
Phaztom if you just so happen to come up with something 1 or 2 maby 5 times that's fine haveing a Extremely similar creations down to the exact frame enough to make a 13 minute video off of... somethings wrong
That is Because if it is not the exact same as your build Phantom, than its not yours
Here is a link to references and stuff that did not make it into the video: pastebin.com/2jvnUHrD
Well lets see what happens.
+Ravric Vid i was thinking about it for a long time but i really like that someone make a video making tose think visible to everione
sorry for english but i'm italian XD
+Zackeryeh Salloum Wow adding that to the ever growing list. He does mention the creator's name but there is link and it is broken like most of his links.
I haven't posted anything on steam yet, I plan to and I do prefer to give credit when available.
should we try taking from his designs and not giving credit? see if he notices.
+Spartwo he has Henry.
I would like to point out that anyone can design a replica of something or something that looks similar to anything, now you can sit there and say it is a copy all you want but I could say the same for several of my hiigaran ships which every builder in the game could make identical copies!
imgur.com/a/AMWJF
ok i have seen everything, and I am being very objective when i think that 1, your argument is not sound there are differences that you are not noticing, yes he did take heavy heavy inspiration from your designs however those designs were also much more different then what your a comparing in this video, so you can sit there and say he is copying and not giving credit for some things, but lemmie ask. Have you ever built tank treads? I have and they turned out just like the one in the video, it is actually a common design, next have you ever tried doing ship interiors? lemmie tell yea, making a decent design is hard, then you find one the looks almost like your dream one so you recreate it but change it to the way YOU want it, like LSG did AND he gave credit for it.
Dude he copy/pasted the whole train and altered it lightly and no he did not give me credit for the train.
You are not being objective when you are ignoring the obvious.
You can't defend LSG after watching this ALL THE WAY THROUGH, It is fairly obvious He has stolen others content, too the point He can't just go "oops forgot to add links to my videos". YES, He does credit 1/100 people for their designs, but seriously the majority of "His" stuff He has uploaded to his channel that "He has made" is actually a majority of the cool stuff from the workshop He has come across combined which is a nice idea, but He credits himself for it and in some cases like I said He credits like 1 person of the 10 He has taken stuff from.
+slimeboy 256 First you need to sort your grammar out, most people aren't perfect but I'm sure they, and you, can do better than that, second, If you actually watch the video all the way through, you will see that what He has done, you just cannot deny or defend, and when and how in hell did He get proof of his innocence?
*****
Fair enough, you have my apology for commenting on your grammar
United we can bring awareness
damn I've been blind! time to unsub from a certain channel... And Ravric, please keep on creating builds, it would be very sad to see you go!
+Chris Kruining I am just glad to get this off my chest. Yea this wont deter me from creating and sharing stuff.
I spread the link to this video, hope it helps, even if it is just a little...
+Ravric Vid looks like LAG just lost a sub... and you just got one! Honestly, I had no idea until I looked at the comments of his airship video. It's one thing to use other people's creations, but to not give them credit where credit is the is wrong. And here I thought his stuff had been completely original! Besides, your stuff is better, Ravric. (I don't much like MeowCaptain, either).
+Chris Kruining dont unsub yet, we should all go and monitor his channel and when he uploads find the original workshop item and paste the link a few times till it gets top comment, hopefully lsg will become aware of his wrongdoing
Yeah, he never does put in those links that he says he will.
I was wondering how he comes up with all these ideas, and then makes them happen. That would be impossible for any normal player to do.
@@a.morphous66 they guy that designed artificial saltpeter and ruined my country's economy for the next 80 years, even tought he participed in the creation of mustang gas and has been charged as a war criminal?
Do got to say one thing about the argument is that the workshop is made for people to find ships modify them and then improve them like the train all he did is take the wheels and made the Armored train which all it is a more useful then the train you made in a survival situation in space engineers. And by the way i do know how it feels to have you creation stolen from you well hope you are getting less made PS. do hope LSG dose something about this though like the no credit.
It isn't the problem of taking, using, and modifying things on the workshop. Like you said, that's what it's there for. The problem is that Arron from LSG is taking those creations, slightly modifying them, then claiming they are his in monetized youtube video's. It would be the same is if I took an iPhone, changed the case a little, then sold it as a my own product.
@@SerangelROM Perfectly worded.
Use some fucking punctuation, ffs.
@@SerangelROM actually the case analogy isn't very good because not only is that not stealing but that already happens all the time.
@@TheStripeTailedFiend i guess taking apples hardware and software designs isn't stealing. Go ahead and sell iOS phones under your own brand and see how fast you get slapped with a cease and desist order.
I didn't know this! I am fucking pissed off! I always thought his work was good but stealing it is uncalled for! I loved his survival series though but I might be unsubscribing
If LSG did steal your work I'm sorry to hear and that you didn't get popular like his youtube videos. I've been watching LSG because I needed some training in SE and his videos popped up first when searching. I honestly never heard of you until I went on the steam community and saw one of your uploads. It sounds like you got beef with Arron, but LSG has been able to help the community a lot with those videos
What's wrong with meow captain?
Really, the whole captianmeow thing came out of nowhere
+Colton Caruso a lot of stuff comes out of no where.
+Mr waffly Check the Description
+Ravric Vid it's in the description, I checked. And the plane he did link to, but it's in another video.
Wow. This is just brutal.
I've given you a sub for the work it took to compile the video with comparisons, but I'm still going to watch LSG's videos. I understand the whole piracy thing (believe me, my heart aches with how fast my blood pumps when I get angry over this), but when you make something then you must market it; otherwise someone else will. See: every dead company ever. Notably Telsa VS uknowho
Seems everyone in the SE community is going downhill now time to find a new game.
The game itself has been going downhill, many of the things you see on my channel are impossible to build now in the current state.
Have you spoken to him at all? Seems really unprofessional to go and bash a guy and claim he's a content thief without talking to the guy first.
+Seduce Me With Fried Chicken "Hello Arron I noticed that you often deceive your viewers and misappropriate credit. Can you bring this to light with an apology that will implicate yourself in wrongdoing?" He would more than likely ignore that seeing how he has Ignored me in the past with a simple thing regarding my Solar Array and that he does things like this: i.imgur.com/3twHPRZ.png often
+Ravric Vid Still wouldn't have hurt to atleast try to reach him before flaming him like this? Not that you shouldn't have posted, just some desency is all. Even if you think he has none it's still not a very classy thing to do.
better to insult him and maybe shock him into crediting the original builders. im surprised no one did a vid like this till now, arron has been stealing stuff and claiming it as his own forever now and i thought everyone knew that.
+Ravric Vid That sounds like a 'no' then. You raise a good point, LSG should give more credit to content creators, and I think you're rightfully angry. But the way you're going about it, with the Title Cards and the Conspiracy Theory music track, makes you come off as passive aggressive and vindictive.
Also, I think that destroying LSG would be a major loss to the Space Engineers community. Just as much as a loss as losing brilliant content creators like yourself. Aaron might not be a brilliant builder, but he does a pretty awesome job at showcasing the possibilities of Space Engineers. There are so many times I've run out to start my own design (from scratch, mind you) or download another content creator's ship, because of what I saw on LSG.
+Jonas Carlsteg . I must remind you that he never replied to to me regarding the video he made of my Solar Array. So lets say am able to do what others have failed to do and reach him. Will he willingly come forward with this self implicating information and apologize that to all of his viewers are unaware of it all?
That actually explains a lot because I never understood what LSGs building style was because every ship was very different in design.
His videos are long, quaility is good but i will remember this.
There is so many scammers in us :(
Sweet fucking jesus I was watching this early on going "Nahh that's just a coincidence" and now I'm halfway through like "WHAT A FUCKING PIG"
Really bad copypasta. Jesus christ.
Oh damn, how did I not hear about this video for a year? Thanks man, I really despise people stealing others' work.
This is terrible, Always wondered how he came up with so many genius ideas in a short period of time. Ill wait for his response before unsubscribing.
ugh. While it's certainly possible to independently recreate the same design as someone else, especially if the possible solutions are heavily constrained (how many ways could you really define a wheel arrangement on a track, a coupling system, a door mechanism or a guidance and tracking system before designs created independently start to look alike?), there are way too many such things going on here for it to be likely that it's just coincidence.
And where entire ship designs (rather than just mechanics, which are inherently more constrained by functional limits) seem suspiciously similar... Yeah... That's not... That points to something.... There's a word for that. No... Not patent infringement (what patents exactly), nope, not copyright infringement (the workshop lets you do this anyway, by definition of someone uploading it, not to mention how you can't really copyright ideas, only specific expressions of ideas), no, the word we are looking for is plagiarism. - taking someone else's work, making no or minimal changes, and then pretending it's your own work, and not acknowledging that you copied it, or who from.
Yes, this is plagiarism.
The train one is bs, it shows two different designs. It's like saying someone copied your ship because it flies
imgur.com/a/AMWJF
@@RavricVid there are only marginal similarities between the two, this is like saying that he copied your entire train because it is shaped like a train
You are up 1 subscriber LSG is down one.
Very disappointed.
I always liked Arron's videos but this kind of blatant theft is wrong :(
What we have to do is try get him make a video to say he has copied, make him admit it that he's been copying. By doing this he won't copy without giving credit because people are now taking notice to what he is doing. I won't unsubscribe because he is s good person in my eyes (this doesn't mean what he's doing isn't wrong).
Wow. This is really well researched from start to finish. I knew for a long time that LSG is not the best when giving credit, but I thought that this was mostly due to laziness.
I think that many people knew about one or two transgressions of his, but no one seems to have taken the time to collect enough data to come to your devastating conclusion.
That being said, I never really liked his channel that much, because he never talked like an engineer. He lacks the kind of passion you can see with let's say Wasted Space when talking about "his" creations. I guess now we know why.
By the way, here is another thing you can add to your list I remember someone pointed out in the forums a long time ago. It's not one of his worst scrams, because the stolen build was not what was showcased and he never claimed it to be his, but then again, he didn't even mention he used stuff from somebody else in that video.
forums.keenswh.com/threads/multi-turret-control-system-control-multiple-turrets-with-your-mouse-code-published.7262456/page-2#post-1286007085
The only thing I am not too sure about is the whole thing about Meow Captain. You sure have the right to be angry about what happened in your case, but to me that single case is not enough to invalidate his entire channel.
Some of the spam he does is actually funny (and yes, I did say "some" on purpose) and I have yet to see him withholding credit for something somebody else created.
That being said, you also mentioned that there is more stuff about him that you want to look into first, so I'll withhold judgement until I have all the info.
the train was built out of the wheels design and he gave credit. and the middle was by your admission reverse engineered and he changed it making it into his own design. that a not stealing at all
imgur.com/a/AMWJF
I was a big fan of LSG. Really was. But i'm not blinded by blatant shit like most of his fanboys who disliked it. Unsubbed from him and a sub to you ravric
lol
+Shanerighteou it's not the point tho, LSG puts no effort into changing other people's designs and doesn't provide credit, this guy may well be looking for subs but he's also providing us with the truth that not many people seek for so why your getting so aggressive over LSG losing a sub is beyond me as last time I checked you didn't represent LSG ?
Why did you sub to ravaric? Because he "exposed" LSG? Or because you like his content, or both?
+snickelman who me?
No.
you do realize that he could've built the things 'presented' as evidence BEFORE finding out someone else built them, make a solid 'case' before you go off and accuse someone of something just to please your pride
People are selfish, you idiot. it's normal to search for pride.
THE THING IS that he uncovered the truth. I'm not going to sub him, but I'm going to stop liking LSG videos where he shows ships.
(edited for FRIGGIN GRAMMAR)
Arron's word salad in both narration and descriptions is also icing on the sin cake
the reason i watch his vids after learning this, to get better or updated or cooler versions of stuff
God dammit, I knew something was wrong with lsg
His videos were sorta horribly explained enough and he talked sorta like this
“Good artists copy. Great artists steal.”
Yup
But there is a difference.
Copy and steal are very similar things, but the amount is the real question.
If you steal from just 1 person, that is very bad and everybody will call you a thief (LSG does this)
But if you steal from 100 people, people will call you original, so you always need to steal just a little parts from many things and you will be succesful, otherwise it sucks.
Corghy
**Clap clap clap clap**
Thanks for revealing this. Ill still watch LSG, but i will keep this in mind.
Edit: Wait, Why are you complaining about Meowcaptain? He hasn't done anything wrong.
You're right; if Ravric is going to say that MeowCaptain is "debatably worse" than LSG, Ravric NEEDS TO PROVE IT.
ravric you really didn't need to make a video about this, wouldn't it be better to talk with arron instead?
Have got a agree if you have talked to arron about this it would have been dealt with silently it seems you made this video because you're pissed that he used your idea
+Frodo Baggins yeah you can also tell that he is mad just because the way he addresses stuff
no he needs to show evryone who aron realy is and to start a nood space engeeners player army to take over arons comments😬
+angel dejesus and he could of talked to arnon befor
+Ro Al no its completely unnecessary, it's not like ravric has never done anything wrong. How would you feel if you had done all this and someone had made video pointing out everything you have done wrong?
soooo did you take his youtube content without his permission to make this video, i assume that since your complaining about him stealing stuff (that under fair use anyway on the workshop) you didn't just take his videos, cause theres a few copyright laws against that.....
+Chubba Mantis If you are commenting upon or critiquing a copyrighted work - for instance, writing a book review - fair use principles allow you to reproduce some of the work to achieve your purposes.
-Stanford university libraries: what is fair use?
fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/what-is-fair-use/
Pyry Leppälä i didnt know that, thanks for telling me
+Chubba Mantis You’re welcome.
I don't know which is sadder, the fact that LSG stole designs and claimed they were his, or the fact that all of his fanboys are disliking this video. There is no reason for this vid to have 3k likes and 2k dislikes.
why whenever I watch a channel, there is always an exposing video that ruins the the fun of watching it!
Welcome to the internet.
Because fakers usily gets the atention and falls hard oneday
Hey, if you like watching his content, then watch it.
HaloHumor313 Same
That's what's "Hot" on the internet now. Everyone has to expose everyone else. Of what? Who the Hell knows, all they know is that it has to be exposed to RUclips.
I fully support you on everything except that Meow is bad, atleast he doesn't steal creations
+Carl Börjesson but he's gonna annihilate the dog race!!!
+fox hound exactly :D
I'm curious as to whether or not he still does this? I have only gotten into space engineers in the last few months (even tho I've owned it since before planets were a thing, just never had time for it), and I really enjoy his server tour videos. I don't really see anything wrong with what he's actually doing in-game (the editting other people's work), and I know there's a LOT of people who do the same. I'd wager it's how a lot of people have learned how to build various things (taking apart a mech and editting it is how I learned to build them myself), but not giving proper credit is absolutely wrong. The spelling mistakes are so consistently wrong (wrong apostrophes, wrong there/their/they're, etc.) that I almost believe they're intentional simply because it's ALWAYS the EXACT same mistake (ALWAYS their instead of there but never they're, etc.). Thanks for the information, definitely gonna keep this in mind while watching any of his build showcase videos.
yeah he has stopped now. He mainly jsut does the server videos and reviews of different creations
hey at first i thought this was click bait but you have hard evidence
Soft evidence.
Let me start by saying that I agree that he needs to be more clear in his citations.
I have watched Aaron's videos for a long time and knew from the get go that these are spotlights from the workshop. It's pretty clear these are things he found on the workshop and modified in some way.
To say he's "stealing" or "deceptive" is really a bit much and rather witch-hunty. Sure his channel management could use work when it comes to citing the original creators, but you really come off as rather butt hurt about...something?
One example is from your pastebin list of things that didn't make it into the video, specifically the blood gulch map. You say he uses the map often and doesn't really credit you very well, yet right in the description(first thing right below the actual video description) is a link to YOUR workshop page where the map came from. On the blimp video you say he doesn't link and yet there it is, right in the description, a link to the original creator's workshop page. Even the original creator says LSG didn't steal anything.
You criticize him for ignoring comments in the helicopter video. what does that have to do with the main point of your video? Do you expect every youtuber to immediately address every issue every commenter makes? Also, why are you bringing up Meow Captain? I thought the video was about how you think LSG is deceptive and shady.
You criticize the DFL videos because it dropped off and you didn't like the way it was done. what does that have to do with deception? Things come and go and shit happens. how many other youtubers have dropped a series mid stride because of some reason or another? It doesn't make them bad, it just means priorities change.
You criticize his use of the phrase "inspired by," so what would you have him say? "I?" That's just being nit-picky. Sure he can do a better job of citing creators, and there are a lot of youtubers out there that do a better job than him. There are also a lot out there that make better pitchfork videos than you.
TL;DR: Slow your roll son.
storm trooper no idea what he's saying.
I agree with this. also it is kinda important that LSG RUclips channel is pretty much just a casual hobby. he does all that in free time and the "intent" is never to steal anything.
This
thx 4 the heads up. I watched a lot of his vids to gather ideas on how to get things to work, especially when I was lost on getting where I wanted to go. I guess I also 'reverse engineer' others peoples ideas, but at least only for my own maps and I don't go slapping another color on and passing them off for my own.
There was waayyyy too much time and effort put into trying to 'expose' a RUclipsr who makes fucking space engineers videos. You may be right, you may be wrong, I don't give a shit. It's a video about a game where you out different blocks together to create things. It's not like he's stealing revenue or anything.
You are right it's a video game,but people still put time and effort into it,and he just steals it,recolors it and says it's his,If you spent something like 3 days building something and uploaded it to the workshop,then some big youtuber comes and steals it and say's it's his,you would be pissed as he's also making money off that video.
It might be a "game about placing blocks", but designing something useful is not a trivial undertaking.
His channel wouldn't be possible without people building these things to "showcase". For every hour of video he produces, hundreds are likely put in by the people who build the creations. And, he makes a significant amount of money from it.
Long story short, he is using his authoritative position as a youtuber to steal other peoples work and pass it off as his own.
That makes him a scumbag.
People don't like scumbags.
101m4n Perfect way to put it
+101m4n You should say that to snickelman
Its not easy building ships like these in this game.