Nvidia Should have done this already Last Year! RTX 4070 Super Review
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
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0:00 Intro
1:08 3DMark
1:57 Appearance
2:57 Gaming Benchmarks
5:17 Idle Power & Temperatures
6:51 DLSS
7:45 Conclusion 
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Some reviewers said for an 8GB card you should not pay more than $300. Just 12GB for a lofty $599. One UK retailer of the 17 cards listed, 11 are over £600, highest £689.
yup and that's why not to buy one
How dictates the prices? The buyer or the seller? If the buyer don’t buy what the seller would do? You guessed it. Drop the prices. If buyer buys seller will keep or raise prices. Who’s the responsibility to buy as low as possible? Seeker or buyer? Who’s the duty to sell as high as possible? Seller or buyer? It’s very simple. But you like to bark to the wrong tree.
@@gametestinglab8861 The Probleme is if you dont buy you can not play XD. yeah i know its a dont need tech, but tech is make for short years. so you must buy as gamer and we can not controll the price, or we let fall the hobby. In real case you have 2 options, buy or fall.
OR Higher Produktions gives us lower prices too, but thats not happen.... they want the money. (special look to disks)
Another Probleme is krypto..... its not so ez to say we make the price
But yeah you are right if would nobody buy they can not make the prices ;)
12gb is 12gb, do you need more? No. The performance is there plus features an energy efficiency. You can argue with AMD all you want, they won't ever use their full 16gb and not used ram is wasted ram. So in that price class, performance wins over useless vram. The 5070 might have 16gb vram, but not this one. In the end it depends on how games will develop and if more than 12 GB of vram is needed for 1440p gaming, which this card is intended for.
This card does fine in most titles at 4K too, especially with DLSS. But there are edge cases where it doesn't because 12 gigs is on the low end for 4K, so I would dispute that assertion of yours. AMD cards with 16 gigs might indeed be the superior option for 4K gaming, at least in some titles or where DLSS is not an option for one reason or another. @@neubiineubii2931
Nvidia _could_ have given the 4070 Super 16 gigs, but they'd already (idiotically) given the 4070 Ti (non-Super) 12 gigs as well, so then the 4070 Super would outcompete a way more expensive (again, idiotically so) product of theirs. I'm not sure if it was brilliant marketing by Nvidia, or them shooting themselves in the foot. Probably a bit of both.
as usual, your reviews and benchmarks are so good. just a suggestion though, when comparing gpu performances i think it would really be interesting to put (even with a small font size) the release dates of the cards.
Thanks for your take, Roman. I hope you will test the other Super cards as you get reference samples of them. I doubt that I will update my rig with this generation of cards, but there's always another build on the horizon.
I truly appreciate what you do.
The 7800xt at $549 with 16gb is still a better deal imo, that would be a good comparison video actually.
Excellent review.
Stonks.
Great! Thanks!
Great video as always, thank you for everything you do.
As a bit of feedback: While I agree with your point about card selection at 4:06, I think it would have been nice to include the 4070 Ti in the performance charts.
Because the 4070 Super is supposed to be "between" the 4070 and 4070 Ti, it would be nice to see where exactly this new card sits between its two "older brothers".
Edited: forgot about the Ti...
No, the 4070 Super is supposed to be betwen the 4070 and 4070 Ti, not the 4080. There's also the upcoming 4070 Ti Super, so there's technically two GPUs between the 4070 Super and 4080.
@@chrys9256 Thanks, my mistake. Edited
also unsure why 2060 was used, why not 2070, then they are direct comparison to the previous xx70 cards
I had no idea you were at CES!!!!! What did you think of this years show, it was my first one and I loved it!
Ordered a 4070 Super last night for $609 from Newegg. Gonna use a NZXT H5 Elite case and a i7-12700k.
Selling my 3060ti and most of the old parts.
I saw that the ‘GEFORCE RTX’ logo lights up on the 4080 Super. Does it light up on this card too? It doesn’t looks so in the video but I wasn’t sure if this was just turned off or not
No lights I believe. Unfortunate.
I like the title 😊
Bought one to upgrade from 1070, jensen basically ransom us in broad daylight lol but then amd similar card priced similar so what choice do we have.
After my 1070 wasnt up for the task (and I wanted RTX) i got an 4070 last year...so now i try to avoid any news regarding this upgrade :D
Not gonna lie, my RTX2080ti is holding up my needs. Since i bought i havent watched any tech news related to new hardware in deep and i'll only do it again when this card doesnt supply my needs anymore and i decide that i'll upgrade no matter what lol.
You should upgrade the BIOS, run it on higher speeds.
yet here you are
The normal 4070 is a good GPU just priced poorly.
the additional time you've already had with the 4070 is worth something, i would think - so i wouldn't worry about it too much. always something better right around the corner, of course.
those gpu temps were under load right ?
RTX 4070 super is a good card.
NVidia is just greedy.
Nvidia is Fabless !
TSMC prices....
This almost makes the price not ridiculous for a 70 series
*class
Yes I agree, although it depends if Nvidia pulls a trick on us and only releases limited OEM cards so partner cards will be the only option for higher rates. This is unfortunately very likely as I've heard from the order sizes they are not going to make a lot but the demand will be huge.
looks the same as the RTX 2000 series, with 2070 & 2070 super.
MSRP of RTX 2070 $499
MSPR of RTX 2070 S $380.
@@kevinerbs2778 The Old RTX 4070 will is on $70 rebate , or D Marks ? Euro ?
if only it had 16gb ram...imagine a mid tier gpu in 2024 not having 16gb
12gb makes sense for mid tier considering you don't need any more than 16GB for 4K ultra extreme quality in any game.@@hotaru25189
I’m guessing they’re not allowing you to add 4070 ti (non super) specs? Why wouldn’t that be on here to compare
Bro ofc they're allowed it's literally public information and has been displayed on nvidias website for over a week.
4070 S is coming out tomorrow
4070 TI S is coming in 8 days
4080 S in 15 days
that's why most channels aren't reviewing the until a few days before release. regardless the specs for each card is is already confirmed and you can look them up
Cat. Nice. Just gonna sit with my 3060Ti until all the 40-series Supers are out before I decide. Probably could just wait for the 50-series though...
Your cat is SUPER cute ❤
Can this card fit with a gen 4 pcie? I know it does bandwidth-wise, but does it physically fit?
Yes, 16x pcie slot is exactly the same and backward compatible
you compare with 6700xt? Rly?
Does the Founders Edition have less chance of having coil whine than other brands?
I will return the asus oc that's in the mail if so.
Actually no, I bought a 4070super FE yesterday and it whine quite noticeably. I also thought that FE didn’t whine, or at least not as loudly as the others.
Nice video but would be interesting to see 4070 super vs 4070 Ti
You need that Super card in some OLD PC ?
interesting ?
@@lucasremwhat
about 7-8% slower than the Ti
I would like to see comparison to the competition rx7800xt and rx7900xt. Still great video but would have like AMD comparison.
I'm only getting the 4070 Super for the murdered out Black color scheme. Will it perform well while watching Netflix? We'll see...
I wish you would give your cats more camera time. I love your cats. I want to see more of them while you do what you do so well anyway.
The 4070 didn't go down in price. Besides the 4070 FE; AIB equivalents were selling for $550 for MONTHS before the 4070 super drop in the US. Which is why I told people who were debating on waiting for this release 'if you're fine with the performance and price of the 4070, you might as well get it if you're not willing to dish out $50 more because the price likely won't go down past that' . Who knew I'd be correct *Nvidia* didn't lower prices 🙄🤣
That being said; the 4070 super is WAYYY better a deal in comparison and would be my recommendation for anyone building a PC with a $600 budget for a GPU. I was just commenting on the fact i knew the prices weren't going down past what they already were.
Edit: changed wording for clarity
I'm surprised there's no 3080 on your benchmarks.
basically a 4070
I'm going to upgrade from 970, i asume its going to be a huge boost
TheKorgborg
You only replace the RTX card, keep the 6600k PC ? Get more frames ?
@@lucasrem Most peeps don't need more than 60fps.
@@basshead.Some peeps* remember once you get used to high fps there's no going back
@@priyanshusharma1812 Yeah, if you are weak-willed.
@@PepRex PCs are not just for gaming.
I've got a Ryzen 5 3600, what should I go for between a 4070 Super, a 4070 or a 4060 TI 16gb? Won't they super bottleneck my system?
I think you need upgrade cpu first, maybe used r5 5600. Or just go with 4070 super and then later change cpu.
Anything "super" wont sell within $50 of msrp until NOVEMBER! just another PAPER LAUNCH from NVidia, like rx3000 series!
So should I finally upgrade from my 2070 Super? My frames are fine as-is coupled with 32GB ddr5 and an 7800x3d so I don't mind waiting a bit more for the 5000 series cards next year.
Same bro, I think waiting is the best option because you know, like I do, the 2070 Super still kicks butt right now considering we have had it for 3+ years
Hell no.
@@rustler08 Hell no to upgrading right now?
At least wait for the price drops after all the launches this month. I personally think about upgrading my 6700XT to a 7900xtx if prices are adjusted.
Talk about doing a number on PC gaming hardware. Used to be fun and ea$y to build a box. Build one for a freind to get them into the hobby. Not any more. Unless you like building really expensive PS5's.
I've been holding back on buying a card. Looks like I'll be holding back some more. This still doesn't live up to my expectations at the price point; we've just been gaslit for years now to think it's a good deal.
Next year (or September? No clear) the 5000 will be out.
If they don't fuck everything up even more, you should either find something there satisfactory or this will be massively price cut
I totally agree with you on how unpalatable the market has become, but the problem is that I don't see any solid indications that it's going to change for the better. Quite the contrary I'd say. So the question is if you're holding out for a utopia.
You're not only right, I'm literally eating my own words right now. I just ordered a 4070 Super out of desperation. I recently got a VR set (Pico 4) and decided I couldn't wait another year to actually get some proper mileage out of it. My new plan is to save up meanwhile and get a high-end 5000 series (or perhaps an AMD equivalent, but I won't hold my breath on that front) whenever it releases and the prices settle, then sell my 4070 Super while I can still get a decent price for it. I might have a friend who'll buy it at the time, so it shouldn't be a huge loss either way. @@QualeQualeson
@@NobbsAndVagene I guess if your plan is to move on pretty quickly, it's not a bad plan. Just don't sit on it though. It's my understanding that the missing RAM will rapidly start losing terrain. Then again, the TI RAM costs an extra 200 bucks, so who knows. It's all crazy anyway :p Best of luck
I game in 1440p and have no plans to upgrade to 4K for years to come, so 12GB should be fine either way to be honest. At least for a few years. But I plan on getting something like a 5080 or 5090 soon after they release, and move quickly, as you said.
But anyway, it's only the 4070 Ti Super that actually has 16 gigs of VRAM. Even the regular 4070 Ti has 12 gigs, which is just _insane_ to me considering the price point. I don't think buying either 4070 Ti models make _any_ sense whatsoever, but you'd have to be especially bat-guano bananas to get the regular 4070 Ti with its 12 gigs. @@QualeQualeson
As someone who has a custom water cooled 3080 I don’t feel the need to upgrade unless in a get a 4090 SUPER.
10gb version? It's still an amazing GPU for 1080p gaming.
People willing to pay $600+ for a 12gb vram and 192 bit bus, already did it. And the only thing they are getting from nvidia for their fidelity, is a price cut that hurts they card resale. Honestly, I believe people will buy easily the 4070ti super if is priced at $600, but I believe that at $800, sales are not going to be great. Same thing with the 4080 super, people willing to pay $1,000 for a 15 gb card, already did it or got a 7900xtx instead... Hopefully the sales keep low and the prices will be more reasonable next gen
I can give the oposite prediction. Sales will be greater than before...
12 gb and 128 bus is impossible (with same memory modules), 12 gb over 192 bit bus.
you mean the 4070ti super will sell ok?@@moken-cf7vu I don't think so, AMD will push the 7900XT to 650... and good AIB options will be under 700, and it will be harder to pick a good 70ti super for less than $850, but let's see
We need thermonuclear computers. In a thermonuclear computer the DIE is placed in an absolute vacuum, in this mechanics the electrons and atoms move magnetically. In an absolute vacuum, everything moves magnetically.
If you still game at 1080p card seems decent but, who games at 1080p anymore that buys GPUs over $400 Bucks? Most ppl are on to 1440p 165hz to 4K 120hz soon to be 1440p 360 to 4K 240hz. Other Technologies are outpacing the GPU Tech right now. Hopefully Blackwell is a huge uplift but, from Rumors its probably not going to be and prices will be a little better but, not world changing better.
4000 series has better performance per watt compared to 2000/3000 series, which is really positive development.
prices are still a bit overpriced tho, typical nvidia
Im waiting for pricing to be more reasonable currently running a rtx 3060ti which i over paid for .
If you don’t mind answering, How much did you get it for?
2:32 GeForce logo doesn't light up in super lineup?
What the heck
Price cuts to save us money 😂 and give the middle finge to us 2 ❤🎉
As a 2070 Super owner with a 5800X3D, this is the card I'm looking to upgrade to. Thanks for the good work as always Roman.
The best thing about 4070 non-super was 1x8 pin connector.
If none of the 4000 SUPER cards will have it then the refresh is pointless.
Pointless for you i guess. They do give an adapter cable, and people might already have a new psu with the cable included.
@@Xfade81 It's not the adapter cable that's the issue, it's the fact that 12VHPWR is inherently a fire hazard.
@@harryshuman9637Bruh
@@harryshuman9637 Only when using cables and adapters (looking at you cablemod) with shoddy quality, or when not inserted correctly. There's nothing wrong with 12vhpwr as a spec. The only issue i have with it is the location they chose for it.
@@Xfade81 If a power cable can cause a fire when not inserted correctly - its a design issue. If it's inserted incorrectly it should do absolutely nothing and the card shouldn't even work.
who wants to up great for 10% performance ??
How is the coil whine tho? nobody talks about it these days in reviews, i havent heard a single modern GPU that does not have it in some form.
Dude 2:46 to 3:00
Coilwhine is kinda lottery, but buying cheap psu definitly not helps...
Bro, just don't sit next to your PC.
It has coil whine, my example at least ( founders edition)
The RTX 4070 Super should have been a 16 GB VRAM card. It has been shown that 12 GB are not enough in modern games, at 4K resolution and the graphical settings cranked up. And Heaven forbid if you install high-res texture packs and mods in your games (remember Skyrim?)
The RTX 4070 Ti also came with only 12 GB on a 192 bit bus. But guess what? Surprise, surprise, RTX 4070 Ti Super will launch to the stratosphere of January 24, 2024 loaded to the brim with 16 GB VRAM!
Marvellous stratification and planned obsolescence coming from the Leather Jacket. It gives you everything that you didn't knew you needed before, drop by expensive drop!
Things are so bad that 1k is now aceptable
I enjoy your work and videos, but man that intro… blows my eardrums every time
I just ordered the super. You really gotta bring your wallet for pc gaming but the results are amazing
1080p... in 2024...
Still slower than a RX6950XT lol a card from AMD's previous gen. I got mine last year 2023 new for $600 USD still new from a reputable retailer.
Please add Hunt Showdown to your tests
Why the selection of games and modes is so strange? It's NVIDIA's NDA?
I think, the most interesting part of the review would be 2k gaming with RTX and frame gen capabilities, not eSports and CP2077 in fullhd...
2K is 1080p full HD
Where RDNA 3 to compare?
The drivers are currently unstable to include them.
Good perf boost over the 4070 but still lacks VRAM..
can we ever get a GTX 1080Ti like card at $699 in 2024 and beyond?
In Germany, that card was $ 1200 plus
Beyond Germany ?
Steve from Gamers Nexus predicted years ago that Nvidia will never release another card like that.
@@selohcin adjusting prices with inflation and rising manufacturing costs of 3nm wafers might be the cause of increased GPU prices
@@Kcolonel_69 Inflation didn't double in 7 years. God, what a brainlet take.
Why they still use that stupid top connector is beyond me, many broken connectors because of it and smoked cables because of the bend.
For a price similar to the 3070Ti MSRP that's pretty great performance, I hope the Ti super performs too with not too much of a price hike.
The 4070 Ti Super won't gain much, simply because it was basically already using the whole die. There will be a 5% difference with the non super, tops.
The 4080 could be interesting but the price remains absurd
Chiq the orange cat is clearly not impressed😸.
works best with intel
Battlemage please
The 7800 xtx and xt will undoubtedly get a price reduction
These 60-Class cards are too damn expensive.
too expensive and with needs more vram
Yay $600 for a 4060 super. Thanks Nvidia
its better than 3080ti in most cases, very close to 3090.
2070 was worse than 1080ti and 3070 wasn't better compared to 2080ti
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j3090 was only 55% faster than the 3070 tho while the 4090 is still over 75% faster than the 4070S using techpowerups recent review.
@@user-wq9mw2xz3jyour comparing 2070 doesn't really help your case because it was also a mediocre generation after the goated 1080ti. Also it's not that this is a bad GPU, but it's the fact that you need atleast 600 to have a somewhat decent value GPU when it comes to nvidia
And selling well!
But NVIDIA 60 series has allways been popular!
😂
You’ve got no idea what you’re on about.
I hate these new 12vhpwr adapters and cables so much.
by last year do you mean 2 weeks ago? :P
Ek direct die aio please!
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7900gre is way faster for $100 less. even 7800xt is a better choice. at least if you are not 24/7 gaming cyberpunk + psycho RT (in which case the 4070 super may even be the wrong choice in terms of compared to better suited nvidia cards for these ultra+ RT demands)
Would've liked to see the 6900xt/xtx on this graph.
I have a 4090 founders. I am contemplating downgrading to a 4080 super just cause of how it looks. Someone stop me 🤪
No one gives af
@@Keeki549😂😂
how is this a "step in the good direction"? I mean, this is yet again an big F..U from Ngreedia imo..
G'day Shiek, Makita & Roman,
The Supers are really showing how much of a Rip Off the original 4000 Gens were, especially 4080 with the Super now being faster & MSRP $200USD cheaper
12VHPWR connector 🙈
no thx, next
why there is no 3070 and 3070ti in your charts? its 4070 super but you chose 2080! also why not even 6800xt cuz price vs performance ..tha!
Nvidia loves early adopters. Much better to wait until the full range has been released.
@elcactuar3354 *WHO CARES
Pumiyok si idol hahahaha
Would the AMD 7800XT be a better buy because of the 16GB VRAM?
12 is plenty for 1440p
@@DavidFregoli Maybe for now, but what in 2-3 years?
Only focus on now instead of worrying about 3 to 4 years later@@VagabondGFG
I would buy minimum 20 gb for the future
I went for the 4070 but I'm still on 1080p, it will suffice for the next 2-3 years on that resolution, wouldn't be so sure for 1440p tho :)
They should have made it a 16GB with 256 bit bus at that price point
256bit is now $1000+ gategory!
Wellcome to the future of GPUs!
I know it's ridiculous, they were offering 8 gb on the 70 series since the 1070 7 years ago and still they're not selling cards with 16gb at an even higher price category than the old xx70 class gpus
@@haukionkannelAMD: 🗿
You don't really need such wide memory busses anymore, at least not for traditional gaming workloads.
The transfer speeds are way up (GDDR6X is a whopping 150% faster than GDDR5), and modern GPUs have much better memory compression slapped on top of that.
"ungabunga bigger number is bigger better"
@@haukionkannel I actually bought RX 7800 XT cheaper than 4070 and it has 256 bit bus with 16GB VRAM. I'm set for a couple of years. nvidia missed out on a buyer
I suspect the 4070 Ti Super will be the "interesting" product, basically a trimmed 4080. The 4080 Super will probably be a small uplift over the 4080, nowhere comparable to the 4070 to 4070 Super uplift.
Sure, then when the 5080 drops for 700 people will laugh
4080s will be like 3% better.
He must be hyping those not in the know so they watch his next review. But also he just said interesting. Could still be negative
I agree the 70ti super is the 4080 just with a small shave I think and time will tell that the 4080 will become the scandal as it went from $1200 to $800 that is going to sting even if in real world its 10% slower ( I don't think it will be that bigger gap but I could be wrong) a 10% drop for $400 that's going to have some people crying
@@Masterfeedbackprod You think the vanilla 4070 will hit $400 soon?
@ThePalePatriot no thats not what I said at all I said the 4080 is 1200 and the 4070ti super will be 800 and within 10% difference for 400 well that's what I ment ill have to check back for typos Just checked no ii didn't say that at all no idea where you got that maybe it's just the way I wrote it but at no point do a say 4070 so no idea where you got that I was saying in effect when the 4070ti super comes out at 800 it will be so close to the 4080 that paying 400 extra last week will hurt
"the card should have been free" is all I'm hearing
RIP Msrp
They couldn't "afford" to do that last year because it would have taken too much production time from making the high demand, high margin H100 chips ...... They basically shut down production of most of their consumer line chips back in June and just restarted production about a month ago ...... Time at TSMC is booked over a year in advance meaning their yearly allotted production time at TSMC was set before they realized how in demand the H100 would be so they had to "borrow" consumer production time and use it for their commercial lines and then priced their consumer lines so they would last for the second half of the year ...... The proof they got it right is they lost no market share in the consumer sphere in 2023 while dominating in the commercial sphere and their stock went from $110 on the day the 4090 released to over $500 less than a year later and currently sits at around $547
I saw the prices of the 4070s/4070ti s and 4080s in my country, it's a joke tbh. 4080s is 1:1 with current 4080, 4070ti s is about 1000$ (100$ less than 4080 s) and 4070s costs 50$ than current 4070ti. Such a great deal, congratz nvidia.
Sorry. This is still too expensive. I'm really losing interest with PC gaming. Those new APUs from AMD are looking pretty interesting.
imagine they released another refresh called duper
What was the German name my grand mother told me for that kind of situation again... Oh yeah remember now... scheisserei !
The price is still higher than it should be, and they should have had this price line-up last year. nVidia and AMD are the scalpers and me-too scalpers fiends!
Still way too much $ for the super cards
I get 25-40 fps in nfs shift (2009) and I am happy.
Y'all should do more like me haha :)
It's always weird for me to read comments about like "Should I upgrade my 2070 super?" and such like that... Y'all are weird haha
4070 super will probably cost 750euros tho...
Germans need Dollars tho ?
@@lucasrem Every country should use the USD. The best currency in the world.
best how?@@basshead.
In stock at your friendly neighborhood scalper! You didn't think NVidia was seriously gonna make a card that was a good deal did you? No. These are only being made in tiny quantities to ruin AMD dominance in the $500-$900 price segment! NEVER for sale anywhere near MSRP! PAPER LAUNCH!
probably the best value upgrade in the current 40 series lineup
Let's stop pretending these insane prices are a good value.
prices are not insane in 2017 the 1080 ti was $600.00 to $700.00 dollars. $600.00 in 2024 is peanuts.
still only a 4060ti for 650quit. Keep your shit Nvidia.
All Nvidia's cards are over priced imho. I won't be going with them.
What was the reason to not include any card higher than the 4070 Super?
To make it look good so Nvidia is happy?
The card is still too expensive.
It's not expensive if you live in a 1st world country.
@@basshead. Lol, you are clearly rich, because I live in a first world country and most people agree (including media), that prices are out of control.
You can go back into drooling at your Nvidia Stock
@@ralmslb We don't live in 2010 anymore. $600 is nothing in 2024.
@@basshead. You are so disconnected from reality, it's shocking...
Get out of your $10M apartment, go to a shopping mall and look around, if $600 is nothing...
Here's where we need to be: 4080super $600 USD, 4070super $500, 4060super $400. Let's drop the "Greed tax" please 😊
nvidia pulling an intel 14th gen. yawn. roll on 50 series please
This doesn't look like a 70 class card, its small. The 4070ti should be called the 4070 and this card should be the 4060. Just feels really disappointing getting this small cut down card for $600.