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You do understand that you are also a tourist. You just arrive in your own boat. Every place you go and show on RUclips is just encouraging others to visit.
I was in Switzerland recently and saw the Chillon Castle. Mark Twain visited in 1880 and admired the castle but was rather annoyed with the endless streams of tourists. Made me laugh
I get what Jordan is saying having owned a home in a touristy place (Orleans, Cape Cod, MA and now Belfast, ME) for over 25 years and even more so having sailed in places like USVI and BVI that have both cruise ship crowds and more remote places. For example, in Charlette Amalie (St.Thomas, USVI) with no cruise ship the shops are open but there are few people there (other than shopping, this filthy harbor has not much going for it) but don't be there when the cruise ship arrives and thousands of people pour in. Same with Road Town (Tortola BVI) but on a lesser scale since the really big cruise ships don't fit. People spend large sums of money to stay at the resorts at the north end of St Johns USVI but its only $35 a night to moor a boat there (last I was there) and there are beaches elsewhere just as nice but not accessible by ferry and taxi with less people. I chuckle inside when someone talks about taking a cruise stopping at St. Thomas and sometimes let on and tell them why. I moved from Cape Cod because it changed too much and was further changing. I can see the start of that in Belfast but the traffic is not bad and you can still park in height of season, unlike Camden, Rockport, and Rockland just down the coast and some of the Maine coast further south. btw- I've been able to mostly do mostly remote work since 1993 making it possible to live in a vacation destination. I also know a US couple who's family is greek and who lived on a boat for years but post covid moved to a greek island to be closer to extended family and feel the same was as Jordan about the tourist packed vs more remote greek islands. Cruising sailboat don't come in hoards to all but a few places. And maybe a lot of those are in the Med, more so than even the Caribbean (afaik).
Very good explanation. I completely agree with this philosophy. That most beautiful areas, are the ones that you find, and are shocked by their beauty. I love areas that you have to work to see.
We’ve watched and enjoyed your videos for a number of years and have travelled and enjoyed the Greek islands on a couple of occasions. I would just like to point out that your visit did coincide with Peak tourist season. Late September is much quieter and more relaxed. One thing to keep in mind is that the moment you visit a destination you actually become a tourist yourself and by definition your lovely little family must also be considered to be contributors to the maddening crowds you seem to dislike so much. Cheers from Australia
We were in Positano recently and had the same experience on the Amalfi coast - unique, beautiful, breathtaking, overpopulated with tourists. I think Isa was making a fashion statement with her hair and bow over her little nose while napping! As always, thanks for sharing.
I traveled the Greek islands in 1985, after visits to Mykonos and Santorini, we specifically asked the tourist office to recommend islands without tourists. Even back then tourism was overwhelming those islands. I can't imagine how crazy it is now with cruise ships regularly visiting.
I thoroughly enjoyed Santorini in 1983. It still seemed fresh but not trampled. Fell in love with Tzatziki there! It was the perfect food for the environment. There is a half gallon of tzatziki in my fridge right now!
I don't think you have really been in Santorini! We spent a week in Santorini in 2014. Lived in a wonderful smaller town. Rented a car and drove around visiting wonderful places. For example; Ancient Thera and Akrotiri was very interesting.
What a wonderful outro. Wife and I did the European thing a few years ago and the most fun we had was on the way to Normandy in all the small towns and when we decided to leave Florence for the day on whim and wandered the streets of Vinci without any prior planning.
Hi Jordan The biggest advantage of living on a sailing boat is being able to avoid the confusion caused by tourism. Here in Portugal we already have a lot of problems because of tourism. social inequality and the increase in the cost of living where some gain and many lose. Keep enjoying yourself away from the chaos. All the best to you Jordan, Desirée, Isabela and the new sailor on the way
"I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference". You're talking about Frost and I am in full agreement. When I have traveled, like you, it was the small town, the local pub (Gusthaus), the lonely path to a breath taking view that I strove for. One time in Germany I just hopped on a road not quite knowing where it led, until I was in the Alps, just after sunset in Nov seeing the light of the sun brush the tops of the mountains while I drove in darkness on this small two lane road. I've been to the Eiffel tower and while okay, it was the sitting in a small square in a residential neighborhood where I really felt Paris and France. Great video.
As the father/husband of three beautiful ladies I can say... you're not JUST Dah! You ARE Dah! To her Dah is everything!! Wear it like a badge of honor. Love you guys!! Safe travels!
Wow, lots of steps. Scared me when Oso jumped up on the ledge. Beautiful scenery. I like quiet places too. Thanks for sharing. Another great Saturday morning coffee with Atticus.😃
@@dwhetsel Haven't been to BVI for 20 years but was nice back then except Road Town when a cruise ship docked. Worst places to go is where a cruise ship fits in the harbor and the town can almost but not really accomodate the crowd. Also best to avoid places with a large airport. Best places have good anchorage, no airport at all. Some places with ferry service only are fine but absolutely best have no major passenger ferry service (mostly small cargo ferry, weekly or so or none at all). When sailing that applies everywhere.
Baby Isa’s hair bow hanging on for dear life there 😂 too funny. I remember visiting Santorini years ago with my folks and loving it however returned with my husband and kids last year and couldn’t wait to leave! 😢 great video, thanks guys 🙏🏻
Hawaii is like this. The locals understandably come to resent tourism because of its effect on their home. They get priced out of the real estate market, prices of goods go sky high, tourists don't respect the land or understand the culture. It's why there is such a drive to talk about Aloha and Hawaiian culture. it's why you are starting to see some of the big parks, like Haena and Wai'anapanapa, limit visitors even though it diminishes revenue. I would much rather go to a less spectacular place with very few people and an authentic local vibe than a big tourist spot. One of my best travel memories is just hanging out having a drink at Spratnet Beach Bar on St Croix. There were maybe five or six of us at the bar, just chatting about life on the island with a couple of locals, and an empty beach with the sound of gently lapping waves and a cool breeze off the water. I'd take that over crowded Waikiki beach every time.
The Hawaiians feel more strongly about this than you may think. After the Fall of the Cabal (fairly soon) we will reform into the New Republic and Hawaii intends to opt out and return to being an independent Kingdom.
And I am captivated by your honest and thoughtful reflections on such a stunning place. Your ability to see beyond surface beauty and address underlying issues is both insightful and admirable. Your perspective encourages deeper appreciation and understanding of our surroundings. And I am Floating Village Life
I saw a poster of Santorini years ago and thought how magnificent that place looked. Now after seeing all those huge elevations and steps, plus the huge amount of tourists. Not for me. Great video!
Still worth it IMO Just go in the shoulder season Autumn a spectacularly beautiful place. Stay on the caldera for at least a couple of nights if you can it well worth it IMO and stay in house away from the hussell and bussel . Been there twice from Australia Summer and Autumn it was SO much better in Autumn. I agree with Jorden on all other aspects of traveling.
Jordan, do you ever get hit by the thought that you are sailing on the same routes as Julius Caesar, Cleopatra, Augustus, Nero, Paul the Apostle, Paris of Troy......such a lot of history in the Med and the Aegean. Fun to see Isa growing so quickly. I hope Desirée starts to feel better soon...cheers guys
Mostly I agree with you and with Jordan. My own experience is with Malta. We went there for our honeymoon back in 1991. Since we use to travel to different places most of the time, and often tend to go to Scandinavia it took us 27 years to go to Malta again. We were shocked to the amount of people that also went to Malta. Back in 1991 we would take the local bus and the only point of concern was that we understood why they all had a picture of Jesus somewhere in the bus. Seeing that those buses where mostly older then we (and we married late, I was 31 back then) a prayer seemed to be helpful to get to your destination unharmed. Now in 2018 the local buses were much newer, but crowded up to a point were a prayer to help getting out at the right stop was needed more. The islands of Malta in itself were as breathtaking as before (and it was funny to see places in your videos that we visited on our stays on Malta), just it wasn't possible to get lost somewhere between some villages especially in the Southeast of the island like we did on our first visit. Even to get off the island at the airport was a task in gettting through the crowd to the right gate. Unfortunately history shows that any spot that were shown as a great place to be, also because it was a place not to crowded soon after was as crowded as any other main tourist spot. If there is a solution to this dilemma it is to avoid the main travel times and try to get somewhat of season... and hope that others don't have the same idea.
Loved the summary at the end - suche great insights. I think a perfect measure of when any given destination has reached the "running on it's own fumes" stage is when the cruise ships appear.
Your presentations are now very polished add professional. Thank you for sharing the adventure and excitement. I almost feel like I'm traveling along with you. Thank you for sharing...
Its crazy as someone who's been literally everywhere you have and other parts of the world there's a crazy dichotomy. I've been truly blessed to have dealt with everything from ULTRA luxury travel, to EXTREME sailing, kayaking, surfing, snowboarding, mountaineering, even hosting Olympiads. You really can't have your cake and eat it too. Santorini couldn't/wouldn't exist/survive without the "wretched" cruise ships and vice versa. Compartively, Paris is ANOTHER universe in November as opposed to August. I LOVE everything that you guys stand for and do, but lest we forget, as my rather crazy, but poignant father once said: "It takes them in order for you to be you..." Godspeed and Fair winds as ALWAYS
Your explanation of your dislike for Santorini is spot on. Well said. At my age, I would prefer more of the off-path experiences too. Keep up the great work and sorry that Desiree is having a struggle with morning sickness. Best wishes to all.
My favorite sailing youtubers! You do such a great job chronicling your adventures. Thank you for sharing. Btw, Isa is so adorable. But, I know you already know that.❤
Absolutely beautiful ❤!!! What an experience and heck -of -a -lotta stairs 😮!!! Bless you all PA crew 🙏🏽 we’re always wishing you all positive/safe journeys always !!!! ❤
Good morning SPA. We have been to Oía Santorini twice once about 20 years ago and most recent about 10 years ago. You are correct on the amount of tourism and also made a great choice to get away from the port and main cities. Our first trip we stayed at a little hotel that is now, I think the Armani hotel. Back then it was just a small mom and pop hotel. Our second trip I can’t recall the hotel we stayed at in Oía but it was right close to the little fort at the end. The difference in 10 years was crazy in the increase of the amount of people. Great tip if you ever go back. The restaurant’s at the base of where you started your walk up are really good. Also next time take the donkeys. Have a great day
Jordan, Your perspective expressed here is so on target & insightful. You give such a concise, & thoughtful explanation of how you feel about this location. You observations seem fair and balanced without harsh words. I have always enjoyed your commentary, but this was such an elegant way to express yourself. Great job!
I completely understand what you're saying. I'm a Floridian myself, living in Japan, which is such a beautiful place, but the overwhelming tourism industry seems to take away from the natural and cultural beauty of the authenticity of Japan. I personally prefer the remote areas where I'm far from any foreigners and feel like I'm immersed in the genuine culture of the country. Been following you guys for 5 years now. Keep up the great work! Love you guys! ✌️
thank you again for this great video scenery ocean etc. just gorgeous we have so many places of greatness on this earth , we are blessed and i thank you much for your time to show it to me ciao
15:05 it is amazing how often food from poverty becomes popular. Brisket so often used in bbq is actually one of the worst cuts and the slow cooking salvages the meat. But so many consider it to be the only true meat for smoking.
My wife and I sailed to some of the same islands. We preferred the secluded anchorages and less travelled islands, but we enjoyed some of the "tourist" stops as well. We got fuel, water, and food in Santorini.
I understand where Jordan is coming from. But he vast majority of people visiting Greece don't do so on their own boat. And most people can't afford traveling off the beaten path. They take a vacation (like on a cruise ship) that makes 3-4 stops in a week at places like Santorini because that's all they can afford. It does come across as a bit elitist complaining that tourists are changing the character of a place, because whether you think so or not, you are also a tourist, albeit one fortunate enough to have other people funding your adventures. Don't get me wrong, I like your channel and watch every week. And I have even contributed a small amount of money to you in the past. But being a crusie ship enthusiast myself, I think your comments rubbed me the wrong way. Still, keep doing what you're doing. I love the content and look forward to more. BTW - Your daughter gets more and more adorable every week!
Totally agree with your comment on Santorini. We found the same in Mykonos, it’s not the reel Greece. There are so many lovely authentic Greek island to visit which showing the true friendliness and hospitality of Greece.
Jordan’s point is great and regarding beautiful places including adventure along with shopping his advantage is that they are sailing, that said it means they can go to Santorini’s or Myconos but also can go to a cove that only the birds can go. Viva Sailing.
I took a 10 day sailing trip around the small Cyclades in 2011, with a tour company, G Adventures. Our boat was a 50’ Bavaria, and we had only 5 passengers plus our skipper, and Irish fellow that had been sailing all his life. The tour started and finished in Santorini. I had already been to other parts of Europe on other trips, so the tourism aspect of Santorini didn’t surprise me. I was at that beach with the red cliffs, and another one with black sand. On my last night I had dinner at a restaurant over-looking the caldera as the sun was setting. It was incredible. Overall, I still thought it was a place worth visiting. I was there in August, the hottest month. It was the first and only time I have travelled on a sailboat and ii’s a trip I still talk about today. Incredible. You are so lucky to be doing what you’re doing.
Great video you guys! 100% agree with you Jordan. I love what you are doing with your life and live vicariously through your videos.. I dream of doing what you’re doing one day.
Jordan, you are one of the most intelligent people I watch on RUclips. The history you give about each little nook in the world you visit is very educational. I love the research you but into your travels 😊
Thanks for this video, as always I am enjoying my morning coffee with you guys. And I really enjoyed Jorden's perspective and breakdown of "tourism". You nailed it and literally pulled a lot of ideas from my mind. I agree with your analyses and have always felt this way when we travel too, it is a tricky situation to balance tourism with authentic character and ultimately we really only have a choice of going or not going, and liking or not liking because the place will decide based on it's economic needs; we just hope they preserve some of their soul in the process. Peace
Right there with you Jordan. Definitely not my thing. Try to avoid the commercialized areas. An thank you again for my Saturday morning coffee with you.
The only thing I could think this whole video was How can you two beat or match the cuteness of "Baby"?! Jordan I agree, but I also like seeing all places you take us each week from a screen!
I have been working in tourism since 1994... and I do agree with you, Jordan ! Helas, even some « off the beaten tracks » options are getting tricky to find due to ALL the people writing guides about that ! LOVE your channel, Mama & Da ❤
We totally agree with you Jordan about Santorini. We took a mooring buoy in the same place and walked up to the top of Thirasia and found that more enjoyable as it was significantly more authentic Greece. Fair winds P&J
Hi guys. Your observations on tourism are spot-on. In some respects we’re all tourists, no? I live in Lucca Italy. As Firenze becomes overwhelmed with tourists daily the overflow finds its way to Lucca. As you say, it’s a curse and a blessing at once. Great channel ☺️
Totally agree! Wherever a cruise ship stops the character of the location is gone. So plan your visits around these spots - and do it on your own, never let any commerdial organise your trip!
I was a visitor to Thera back in the '70s when it was uncommon to see more than one cruise ship at a time there. They were also much much smaller than the current behemoths! Visitor numbers back then were in the hundreds rather than tens of thousands. I'm with you Jordan that it is a shame when places lose their uniqueness due to massive tourism. I once had thoughts of going back there now I am retired, but I think I will just keep my memories of how it was rather than what it has become.
Great insight on the effects of tourism. My family moved to Friday Harbor on San Juan Island, WA USA 8 years ago. We are dealing with exactly what you pointed out.
Your view of tourism was well put - I live in Hawaii and during Covid the islands were closed and we all realized what impacts the tourism industry has, positive and negative.
Did you know that in the center of the caldera of Santorini is a spot where the gasses come up. People park their boats overnight to clean the bottom of the boat
You are spot on about Santorini. When we were there last September there was on!y one medium size cruise ship and you could barely walk through town. As we drove around the island I noticed that every construction project was idle. I asked if there was a downturn in the economy. Nope. Everything else stops so that the entire population can serve the tourists. The one thing we enjoyed on Santorini was Akrotiri, a village burried in volcanic ash 1,600 years before Pompeii. Super interesting.
I feel u man. My wife and I take many cruises a year and are part of that mass crowd. believe me we to sometimes ask ourselves why when we r in the cattle lines to eat and explore. But for us it’s the most economical. Funny enough we are actually coming to Santorini next year and the ncl gem that you filmed leaving the bay.
We traveled from SoCal to Mykonos and then IA Santorini in 1990. It was popular for Honeymooners. I did not care for Santori, was too commercial then, as well. On Mykonos, we rented mopeds. As we were assigned mopeds, I hear my newlywed scream my name? 😳 She leaned back on the throttle and immediately shot 20 feet out the lot across a two lane road and hit a parked car. If traffic, I could have been a widow on our honeymoon! 😢 Road rashed skin off top of her toes and foot. We went to nude beach, keep most of our clothes on and soaked her injuries in the High Salinity Mediterranean Sea. 🤭😂. Now on to Santorini and it’s a school bus like ride along the very narrow cliffs up the volcano. 😳. We chat with a nice young newlywed couple on the bus. We see them two days later and she had a neosporin mesh bandage on entire side of her face, he had same on his leg. You guessed it, another moped crash story on Santorini. They looked miserable. Apparently, renting Mopeds to inexperienced newlyweds is a thing along with all the crashes… 🤓🤭🥴🤥. I just didn’t like being kind of trapped on top of the volcano. Still have signed artwork and painted vase from Santorini displayed in my house thirty years later. 🤓🤘
First of all welcome to Greece. I am sure you will enjoy your time here. Secondly I totally agree with you. I prefer other islands in my country too. Most known are Mykonos and Santorini but we have much more better islands to visit. Don’t get me wrong. Santorini is a unique island and as a Greek i am happy that i saw it once. But i consider it as an island to visit off season for 2-3 days max to see this beauty! Tourism unfortunately destroyed a lot of nice places!
Taking a day trip or being let off a cruise ship is a very different experience than staying for 4 or 5 nights. In 2016 my daughter and I rented an Airbnb cave house in Oia for 4 nights. In the morning before the cruise ships let off and after sunset it was magical. I was actually surprised at how authentic it felt with the older women sweeping the terraces every morning, the men with the donkeys re-supplying the restaurants, and the Greek Orthodox priests making their way through the town. The restaurants weren't crowded for breakfast and our late-night dinners were divine. When we weren't doing a private tour.... literally in a local's car... we were found drinking wine from our terrace overlooking the Caldera. We were largely able to avoid the crowds and heat.
Agreed. I do love taking cruises with a passion and fully understand "the game" by now. I still love them as I know that a cruise is "buffet tourism" where you just get a sample of each stop. However, you are so right about these places "after hours". Because of cruises, I ended up spending 4-5 nights in St Maarten (the Eastern Caribbean version of Santorini IMO), a week in Cartagena (Colombia), and I live in San Juan, Puerto Rico, myself. And the cruise lines know this too as do the cruisers. It has led to a change in the industry, at least for now, where late departures (less 5pm departures) and more overnight stays are being rolled out. The mass of the ship's passengers still does the touristy bits daytime but then retreat to the ship by 5pm and you can then enjoy that nice sundown meal and a bit of night life ashore. It's a welcomed change as you get to meet and mingle with the locals.
Totally agree. I can do a Santorini for 1 maybe 2 days. Then, hey Babe, lets get outta here! Back to that sleepy spot where we use the dinghy to go to the grocery store that is a couple miles around the Island. Paridiso!!!
TOTALLY with you on the mega-touristy hot spots! I grew up in Miami, went to the Keys lots as a kid in the 60's, early 70's. I hate what Key West has become, and was already thinking of that when you were describing Santorini, then you mentioned Key West! My great grandfather lived down there during WW1, and lived in KW in the 30's and 40's. It was such a different world back then. And I sure wish I had those properties now! We much prefer the off the beaten path places.
Tourism is apparently a huge income garner for many communities. I traveled a lot and tried to stay long enough to get to know the place, history, culture and some of the people. A rewarding experience. I did go to South Indian ocean islands , Antarctica and the hinterland of Canada as well the Caribbean on my own bottom and trains. My visit to the Niagara falls just strengthened my view, reasonably parallel to yours, and a visit to the Augrabies falls even not in full spate was a much better experience.
You should have stopped at levitha north of astypalea. That’s magical, just two brothers having a restaurant on the hill. Fantastic food, no reception except on the hill. Magical.
NOt everyone can do what you do Jordan and sail to extravagant and isolated places where there is no people no tourists and no commercialization. I love your videos and your beautiful family and I am a subscriber since you started. Yes I went to Santorini in 2018 and it was beautiful and yes they were tourists and commercialization but the residents on those island need to make a living too. As you know thousand of viewers and subscribers support your life style and that is commercialization too
have you thought of getting Osso shoes? I feel bad he has to walk on hot pavement 😮- Maybe you can find a sponsor for doggie shoes. Just food for thought. Sending much love to you guys.
We were there in Nov, had the island to ourselves, LoL The shops and rest. would only open for a few hours a day. We rented a 4 wheeler ATV and gave ourselves a self guided tour of the island. :)
We all must just do what works for us! I live in Florida now but do not like the changes that come with "season". I completely understand your point of view ✌️💜
Hola, Jordan and beautiful Project Atticus family, You are SOOO right! What a dilemma modern tourism is. This commercialization of beautiful tourist places is causing real havoc. It is so complicated, because in the past these places with really fascinating uniqueness were only available to an "elite" of explorers, and now they are available to almost everyone, which means they have fallen into the greed and exploitation of all kinds, not only commercial. You and your family are probably the equivalent of those past "elite" explorers who could visit places no one else could, so enjoy it while you can. Hugs, La tía Ivy desde ciudad de Panamá 🤗
Love your videos. It’s a shame you didn’t get to explore Astypalea the views from the Hora and the old Venetian castle are astounding, without the tourists and shopping mall
Man, this video is beautiful. The up hill hick looks a little tuff, but! Your comment is not negative. I was raised in Hawaii returned as an adult and thing truly changed not for the good. When the natives have had enough they will change tourism to fit. Maui, Hawaii is now doing the same. God bless the family, love ya mom!
I love Santorini, there are still places where there aren't so many people and those gave hotels are also amazing. I have also gone married on that island.
Jordan, I know exactly what you are talking about. I have relatives in Arizona and have been going there for years. One place we liked was Jerome . It was a sleepy ghost town with no one living there but a few hippies. Now 40 years later it's a bustling tourist trap with tour buses and tours and crowds. Sedona is another one that was a small town with beautiful mountains all around. Now it is so built up with three story parking garages and up scale shops. Last but not least is Prescott. We went to a small shop for authentic Tex/Mex food and a guy walks in with a 10 gallon hat and a colt 45 on his hip. Today I think its a Starbucks. Tourism is kind of a necessary evil but it does change the authentic character into a Disney land experience. Keep looking for those out of the way places.
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You do understand that you are also a tourist. You just arrive in your own boat. Every place you go and show on RUclips is just encouraging others to visit.
You see this and I see this but you’d be surprised how many people out there visit places then complain about all the visitors.
@@effkay3691 probably the same people who complain about car traffic... while being car traffic.
I was in Switzerland recently and saw the Chillon Castle. Mark Twain visited in 1880 and admired the castle but was rather annoyed with the endless streams of tourists. Made me laugh
I get what Jordan is saying having owned a home in a touristy place (Orleans, Cape Cod, MA and now Belfast, ME) for over 25 years and even more so having sailed in places like USVI and BVI that have both cruise ship crowds and more remote places. For example, in Charlette Amalie (St.Thomas, USVI) with no cruise ship the shops are open but there are few people there (other than shopping, this filthy harbor has not much going for it) but don't be there when the cruise ship arrives and thousands of people pour in. Same with Road Town (Tortola BVI) but on a lesser scale since the really big cruise ships don't fit. People spend large sums of money to stay at the resorts at the north end of St Johns USVI but its only $35 a night to moor a boat there (last I was there) and there are beaches elsewhere just as nice but not accessible by ferry and taxi with less people. I chuckle inside when someone talks about taking a cruise stopping at St. Thomas and sometimes let on and tell them why. I moved from Cape Cod because it changed too much and was further changing. I can see the start of that in Belfast but the traffic is not bad and you can still park in height of season, unlike Camden, Rockport, and Rockland just down the coast and some of the Maine coast further south. btw- I've been able to mostly do mostly remote work since 1993 making it possible to live in a vacation destination. I also know a US couple who's family is greek and who lived on a boat for years but post covid moved to a greek island to be closer to extended family and feel the same was as Jordan about the tourist packed vs more remote greek islands. Cruising sailboat don't come in hoards to all but a few places. And maybe a lot of those are in the Med, more so than even the Caribbean (afaik).
I was in Mykonos and I felt the same way as Jordan. What he is saying is also kinda why Barcelona locals are trying to get tourists out
Very good explanation. I completely agree with this philosophy. That most beautiful areas, are the ones that you find, and are shocked by their beauty. I love areas that you have to work to see.
We’ve watched and enjoyed your videos for a number of years and have travelled and enjoyed the Greek islands on a couple of occasions. I would just like to point out that your visit did coincide with Peak tourist season. Late September is much quieter and more relaxed. One thing to keep in mind is that the moment you visit a destination you actually become a tourist yourself and by definition your lovely little family must also be considered to be contributors to the maddening crowds you seem to dislike so much. Cheers from Australia
We were in Positano recently and had the same experience on the Amalfi coast - unique, beautiful, breathtaking, overpopulated with tourists. I think Isa was making a fashion statement with her hair and bow over her little nose while napping! As always, thanks for sharing.
You have a remarkable way of explaining your full experience. Beautiful family. Beautiful journey. Thank you.
I traveled the Greek islands in 1985, after visits to Mykonos and Santorini, we specifically asked the tourist office to recommend islands without tourists. Even back then tourism was overwhelming those islands. I can't imagine how crazy it is now with cruise ships regularly visiting.
You could have said that in on sentence.
Lovely Island but too commercialised.
I thoroughly enjoyed Santorini in 1983. It still seemed fresh but not trampled. Fell in love with Tzatziki there! It was the perfect food for the environment. There is a half gallon of tzatziki in my fridge right now!
I don't think you have really been in Santorini! We spent a week in Santorini in 2014. Lived in a wonderful smaller town. Rented a car and drove around visiting wonderful places. For example; Ancient Thera and Akrotiri was very interesting.
What a wonderful outro. Wife and I did the European thing a few years ago and the most fun we had was on the way to Normandy in all the small towns and when we decided to leave Florence for the day on whim and wandered the streets of Vinci without any prior planning.
Hi Jordan
The biggest advantage of living on a sailing boat is being able to avoid the confusion caused by tourism.
Here in Portugal we already have a lot of problems because of tourism. social inequality and the increase in the cost of living where some gain and many lose.
Keep enjoying yourself away from the chaos.
All the best to you
Jordan, Desirée, Isabela and the new sailor on the way
"I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference". You're talking about Frost and I am in full agreement. When I have traveled, like you, it was the small town, the local pub (Gusthaus), the lonely path to a breath taking view that I strove for. One time in Germany I just hopped on a road not quite knowing where it led, until I was in the Alps, just after sunset in Nov seeing the light of the sun brush the tops of the mountains while I drove in darkness on this small two lane road.
I've been to the Eiffel tower and while okay, it was the sitting in a small square in a residential neighborhood where I really felt Paris and France. Great video.
As the father/husband of three beautiful ladies I can say... you're not JUST Dah! You ARE Dah! To her Dah is everything!! Wear it like a badge of honor.
Love you guys!! Safe travels!
Wow, lots of steps. Scared me when Oso jumped up on the ledge. Beautiful scenery. I like quiet places too. Thanks for sharing. Another great Saturday morning coffee with Atticus.😃
Great take on tourism. And it seems like everyone in the world is a tourist right now.
Completely agree with Jordan. Tourism is not what you now find in those places they are “vacationists”. Thank you for your videos.
Look where the cruise ships go and then go next door.
Exactly what has happened to the BVI.
@@dwhetsel Haven't been to BVI for 20 years but was nice back then except Road Town when a cruise ship docked. Worst places to go is where a cruise ship fits in the harbor and the town can almost but not really accomodate the crowd. Also best to avoid places with a large airport. Best places have good anchorage, no airport at all. Some places with ferry service only are fine but absolutely best have no major passenger ferry service (mostly small cargo ferry, weekly or so or none at all). When sailing that applies everywhere.
Baby Isa’s hair bow hanging on for dear life there 😂 too funny. I remember visiting Santorini years ago with my folks and loving it however returned with my husband and kids last year and couldn’t wait to leave! 😢 great video, thanks guys 🙏🏻
Hawaii is like this. The locals understandably come to resent tourism because of its effect on their home. They get priced out of the real estate market, prices of goods go sky high, tourists don't respect the land or understand the culture. It's why there is such a drive to talk about Aloha and Hawaiian culture. it's why you are starting to see some of the big parks, like Haena and Wai'anapanapa, limit visitors even though it diminishes revenue.
I would much rather go to a less spectacular place with very few people and an authentic local vibe than a big tourist spot. One of my best travel memories is just hanging out having a drink at Spratnet Beach Bar on St Croix. There were maybe five or six of us at the bar, just chatting about life on the island with a couple of locals, and an empty beach with the sound of gently lapping waves and a cool breeze off the water. I'd take that over crowded Waikiki beach every time.
The Hawaiians feel more strongly about this than you may think. After the Fall of the Cabal (fairly soon) we will reform into the New Republic and Hawaii intends to opt out and return to being an independent Kingdom.
And I am captivated by your honest and thoughtful reflections on such a stunning place. Your ability to see beyond surface beauty and address underlying issues is both insightful and admirable. Your perspective encourages deeper appreciation and understanding of our surroundings. And I am Floating Village Life
If you come to Norway, Stavanger I will show you around. Take you to the Pulpit Rock, Kjerag Bolten and many favorit spots
That's a very happy cute girl at 16:30, what an adorable smile!
Over-visited places like Santorini is why it’s SO WONDERFUL for you to show us undiscovered destinations 😊
Another fun one. We've been trying to decide if we should at least "see" Santorini while we are here. I think you just helped us decide. Thanks buds!
I love your comments about exploring new adventures off the beaten path. Loved your POV on the benefits and trade offs of tourism impacts.
I heard there’s not many residents living there anymore. It’s all staff who come in for the tourist businesses and who leave in the slow seasons.
Thank you so much jordan desiree Iza iza and O s o, Love the scenery And sail Onward.❤❤❤
I saw a poster of Santorini years ago and thought how magnificent that place looked. Now after seeing all those huge elevations and steps, plus the huge amount of tourists. Not for me. Great video!
Still worth it IMO Just go in the shoulder season Autumn a spectacularly beautiful place. Stay on the caldera for at least a couple of nights if you can it well worth it IMO and stay in house away from the hussell and bussel . Been there twice from Australia Summer and Autumn it was SO much better in Autumn. I agree with Jorden on all other aspects of traveling.
You can go up in a taxi or there is a gondola going up or, if you're within the weight limit. A donkey.😊
@tinakollia9420 Thanks for the information, very helpful.
Jordan, do you ever get hit by the thought that you are sailing on the same routes as Julius Caesar, Cleopatra, Augustus, Nero, Paul the Apostle, Paris of Troy......such a lot of history in the Med and the Aegean. Fun to see Isa growing so quickly. I hope Desirée starts to feel better soon...cheers guys
I was just thinking the very same, what an awesome journey through history.
Jordan did a great job describing tourism - the pros and cons. I agree the off the chart places are better.
Mostly I agree with you and with Jordan. My own experience is with Malta. We went there for our honeymoon back in 1991. Since we use to travel to different places most of the time, and often tend to go to Scandinavia it took us 27 years to go to Malta again. We were shocked to the amount of people that also went to Malta. Back in 1991 we would take the local bus and the only point of concern was that we understood why they all had a picture of Jesus somewhere in the bus. Seeing that those buses where mostly older then we (and we married late, I was 31 back then) a prayer seemed to be helpful to get to your destination unharmed. Now in 2018 the local buses were much newer, but crowded up to a point were a prayer to help getting out at the right stop was needed more. The islands of Malta in itself were as breathtaking as before (and it was funny to see places in your videos that we visited on our stays on Malta), just it wasn't possible to get lost somewhere between some villages especially in the Southeast of the island like we did on our first visit. Even to get off the island at the airport was a task in gettting through the crowd to the right gate.
Unfortunately history shows that any spot that were shown as a great place to be, also because it was a place not to crowded soon after was as crowded as any other main tourist spot. If there is a solution to this dilemma it is to avoid the main travel times and try to get somewhat of season... and hope that others don't have the same idea.
Loved the summary at the end - suche great insights. I think a perfect measure of when any given destination has reached the "running on it's own fumes" stage is when the cruise ships appear.
Your presentations are now very polished add professional. Thank you for sharing the adventure and excitement. I almost feel like I'm traveling along with you. Thank you for sharing...
Its crazy as someone who's been literally everywhere you have and other parts of the world there's a crazy dichotomy. I've been truly blessed to have dealt with everything from ULTRA luxury travel, to EXTREME sailing, kayaking, surfing, snowboarding, mountaineering, even hosting Olympiads. You really can't have your cake and eat it too. Santorini couldn't/wouldn't exist/survive without the "wretched" cruise ships and vice versa. Compartively, Paris is ANOTHER universe in November as opposed to August. I LOVE everything that you guys stand for and do, but lest we forget, as my rather crazy, but poignant father once said: "It takes them in order for you to be you..." Godspeed and Fair winds as ALWAYS
Your explanation of your dislike for Santorini is spot on. Well said. At my age, I would prefer more of the off-path experiences too. Keep up the great work and sorry that Desiree is having a struggle with morning sickness. Best wishes to all.
I 've gone to Santorini twice in the summer of 97 and 99. The places you visited I remember them pure and "unumbrellized"
My favorite sailing youtubers! You do such a great job chronicling your adventures. Thank you for sharing. Btw, Isa is so adorable. But, I know you already know that.❤
Congrats on pregnancy for baby #2! 🎉 We are catching up on your vids as we got behind after our own launch in May. Wish y’all the best!
Absolutely beautiful ❤!!! What an experience and heck -of -a -lotta stairs 😮!!! Bless you all PA crew 🙏🏽 we’re always wishing you all positive/safe journeys always !!!! ❤
Good morning SPA. We have been to Oía Santorini twice once about 20 years ago and most recent about 10 years ago. You are correct on the amount of tourism and also made a great choice to get away from the port and main cities. Our first trip we stayed at a little hotel that is now, I think the Armani hotel. Back then it was just a small mom and pop hotel. Our second trip I can’t recall the hotel we stayed at in Oía but it was right close to the little fort at the end. The difference in 10 years was crazy in the increase of the amount of people. Great tip if you ever go back. The restaurant’s at the base of where you started your walk up are really good. Also next time take the donkeys.
Have a great day
Wow! I couldn’t agree more about tourism being a double edged sword.
Jordan, Your perspective expressed here is so on target & insightful. You give such a concise, & thoughtful explanation of how you feel about this location. You observations seem fair and balanced without harsh words.
I have always enjoyed your commentary, but this was such an elegant way to express yourself. Great job!
I completely understand what you're saying. I'm a Floridian myself, living in Japan, which is such a beautiful place, but the overwhelming tourism industry seems to take away from the natural and cultural beauty of the authenticity of Japan. I personally prefer the remote areas where I'm far from any foreigners and feel like I'm immersed in the genuine culture of the country. Been following you guys for 5 years now. Keep up the great work! Love you guys! ✌️
thank you again for this great video scenery ocean etc. just gorgeous we have so many places of greatness on this earth , we are blessed and i thank you much for your time to show it to me ciao
15:05 it is amazing how often food from poverty becomes popular. Brisket so often used in bbq is actually one of the worst cuts and the slow cooking salvages the meat. But so many consider it to be the only true meat for smoking.
This would be my nightmare. I just dont go to places like that any more.
My wife and I sailed to some of the same islands. We preferred the secluded anchorages and less travelled islands, but we enjoyed some of the "tourist" stops as well. We got fuel, water, and food in Santorini.
I understand where Jordan is coming from. But he vast majority of people visiting Greece don't do so on their own boat. And most people can't afford traveling off the beaten path. They take a vacation (like on a cruise ship) that makes 3-4 stops in a week at places like Santorini because that's all they can afford. It does come across as a bit elitist complaining that tourists are changing the character of a place, because whether you think so or not, you are also a tourist, albeit one fortunate enough to have other people funding your adventures. Don't get me wrong, I like your channel and watch every week. And I have even contributed a small amount of money to you in the past. But being a crusie ship enthusiast myself, I think your comments rubbed me the wrong way. Still, keep doing what you're doing. I love the content and look forward to more. BTW - Your daughter gets more and more adorable every week!
Totally agree with your comment on Santorini. We found the same in Mykonos, it’s not the reel Greece. There are so many lovely authentic Greek island to visit which showing the true friendliness and hospitality of Greece.
You are a wise man. Thanks for taking us there, but I’m totally out of breath from all of those steps. Love your family! 😎🥰❤️
Always looking forward to your next video. Wish you could make them longer
I think your views regarding tourism are spot on. I agree 100%.
Fair winds, following seas and all the best from California! 🧡
Jordan’s point is great and regarding beautiful places including adventure along with shopping his advantage is that they are sailing, that said it means they can go to Santorini’s or Myconos but also can go to a cove that only the birds can go. Viva Sailing.
I took a 10 day sailing trip around the small Cyclades in 2011, with a tour company, G Adventures. Our boat was a 50’ Bavaria, and we had only 5 passengers plus our skipper, and Irish fellow that had been sailing all his life. The tour started and finished in Santorini. I had already been to other parts of Europe on other trips, so the tourism aspect of Santorini didn’t surprise me. I was at that beach with the red cliffs, and another one with black sand. On my last night I had dinner at a restaurant over-looking the caldera as the sun was setting. It was incredible. Overall, I still thought it was a place worth visiting. I was there in August, the hottest month. It was the first and only time I have travelled on a sailboat and ii’s a trip I still talk about today. Incredible. You are so lucky to be doing what you’re doing.
Great video you guys! 100% agree with you Jordan. I love what you are doing with your life and live vicariously through your videos.. I dream of doing what you’re doing one day.
Couldn't agree more. We came, we saw, we left as fast as we could.
Jordan, you are one of the most intelligent people I watch on RUclips. The history you give about each little nook in the world you visit is very educational. I love the research you but into your travels 😊
Thanks for this video, as always I am enjoying my morning coffee with you guys. And I really enjoyed Jorden's perspective and breakdown of "tourism". You nailed it and literally pulled a lot of ideas from my mind. I agree with your analyses and have always felt this way when we travel too, it is a tricky situation to balance tourism with authentic character and ultimately we really only have a choice of going or not going, and liking or not liking because the place will decide based on it's economic needs; we just hope they preserve some of their soul in the process. Peace
Thanks for sharing you guys and 100% agree with you Jordan. People should go out of there comfort zone and let fear of the unknown behind. Cheers
Right there with you Jordan. Definitely not my thing. Try to avoid the commercialized areas. An thank you again for my Saturday morning coffee with you.
The only thing I could think this whole video was How can you two beat or match the cuteness of "Baby"?! Jordan I agree, but I also like seeing all places you take us each week from a screen!
I have been working in tourism since 1994... and I do agree with you, Jordan !
Helas, even some « off the beaten tracks » options are getting tricky to find due to ALL the people writing guides about that !
LOVE your channel, Mama & Da ❤
Wow - totally agree - and thanks for the family footage!
We totally agree with you Jordan about Santorini. We took a mooring buoy in the same place and walked up to the top of Thirasia and found that more enjoyable as it was significantly more authentic Greece.
Fair winds
P&J
Hi guys. Your observations on tourism are spot-on. In some respects we’re all tourists, no? I live in Lucca Italy. As Firenze becomes overwhelmed with tourists daily the overflow finds its way to Lucca. As you say, it’s a curse and a blessing at once. Great channel ☺️
Your commentary on tourism is spot on!!!
Hello and thank you for another wonderful video
Nahoa and your family are my favorite channels.❤
Totally agree! Wherever a cruise ship stops the character of the location is gone. So plan your visits around these spots - and do it on your own, never let any commerdial organise your trip!
Jordan that was a great take on tourism. I like you guys don’t like crowds anymore, I’ll take the path less traveled.
I was a visitor to Thera back in the '70s when it was uncommon to see more than one cruise ship at a time there. They were also much much smaller than the current behemoths! Visitor numbers back then were in the hundreds rather than tens of thousands. I'm with you Jordan that it is a shame when places lose their uniqueness due to massive tourism. I once had thoughts of going back there now I am retired, but I think I will just keep my memories of how it was rather than what it has become.
Still lovin' the Stetson! I hope you never lose it.
Great insight on the effects of tourism. My family moved to Friday Harbor on San Juan Island, WA USA 8 years ago. We are dealing with exactly what you pointed out.
Your view of tourism was well put - I live in Hawaii and during Covid the islands were closed and we all realized what impacts the tourism industry has, positive and negative.
Did you know that in the center of the caldera of Santorini is a spot where the gasses come up. People park their boats overnight to clean the bottom of the boat
Really? Does not sound healthy to be breathing volcanic gasses.
You are spot on about Santorini. When we were there last September there was on!y one medium size cruise ship and you could barely walk through town. As we drove around the island I noticed that every construction project was idle. I asked if there was a downturn in the economy. Nope. Everything else stops so that the entire population can serve the tourists. The one thing we enjoyed on Santorini was Akrotiri, a village burried in volcanic ash 1,600 years before Pompeii. Super interesting.
Beautifully articulated! Seek out the hidden gems 💎
I feel u man. My wife and I take many cruises a year and are part of that mass crowd. believe me we to sometimes ask ourselves why when we r in the cattle lines to eat and explore. But for us it’s the most economical. Funny enough we are actually coming to Santorini next year and the ncl gem that you filmed leaving the bay.
We traveled from SoCal to Mykonos and then IA Santorini in 1990. It was popular for Honeymooners. I did not care for Santori, was too commercial then, as well. On Mykonos, we rented mopeds. As we were assigned mopeds, I hear my newlywed scream my name? 😳 She leaned back on the throttle and immediately shot 20 feet out the lot across a two lane road and hit a parked car. If traffic, I could have been a widow on our honeymoon! 😢 Road rashed skin off top of her toes and foot. We went to nude beach, keep most of our clothes on and soaked her injuries in the High Salinity Mediterranean Sea. 🤭😂. Now on to Santorini and it’s a school bus like ride along the very narrow cliffs up the volcano. 😳. We chat with a nice young newlywed couple on the bus. We see them two days later and she had a neosporin mesh bandage on entire side of her face, he had same on his leg. You guessed it, another moped crash story on Santorini. They looked miserable. Apparently, renting Mopeds to inexperienced newlyweds is a thing along with all the crashes… 🤓🤭🥴🤥. I just didn’t like being kind of trapped on top of the volcano. Still have signed artwork and painted vase from Santorini displayed in my house thirty years later. 🤓🤘
First of all welcome to Greece. I am sure you will enjoy your time here. Secondly I totally agree with you. I prefer other islands in my country too. Most known are Mykonos and Santorini but we have much more better islands to visit. Don’t get me wrong. Santorini is a unique island and as a Greek i am happy that i saw it once. But i consider it as an island to visit off season for 2-3 days max to see this beauty! Tourism unfortunately destroyed a lot of nice places!
Taking a day trip or being let off a cruise ship is a very different experience than staying for 4 or 5 nights. In 2016 my daughter and I rented an Airbnb cave house in Oia for 4 nights. In the morning before the cruise ships let off and after sunset it was magical. I was actually surprised at how authentic it felt with the older women sweeping the terraces every morning, the men with the donkeys re-supplying the restaurants, and the Greek Orthodox priests making their way through the town. The restaurants weren't crowded for breakfast and our late-night dinners were divine. When we weren't doing a private tour.... literally in a local's car... we were found drinking wine from our terrace overlooking the Caldera. We were largely able to avoid the crowds and heat.
Agreed. I do love taking cruises with a passion and fully understand "the game" by now. I still love them as I know that a cruise is "buffet tourism" where you just get a sample of each stop. However, you are so right about these places "after hours". Because of cruises, I ended up spending 4-5 nights in St Maarten (the Eastern Caribbean version of Santorini IMO), a week in Cartagena (Colombia), and I live in San Juan, Puerto Rico, myself. And the cruise lines know this too as do the cruisers.
It has led to a change in the industry, at least for now, where late departures (less 5pm departures) and more overnight stays are being rolled out. The mass of the ship's passengers still does the touristy bits daytime but then retreat to the ship by 5pm and you can then enjoy that nice sundown meal and a bit of night life ashore. It's a welcomed change as you get to meet and mingle with the locals.
The view from the restaurant was breathtaking!
Oso on the edge of a cliff, about gave me a heart attack 😮
Beautiful video. Thank you for sharing ❤
Totally agree.
I can do a Santorini for 1 maybe 2 days.
Then, hey Babe, lets get outta here!
Back to that sleepy spot where we use the dinghy to go to the grocery store that is a couple miles around the Island.
Paridiso!!!
I stayed in Caldera View Apartments in 2000s on Santorini. The view was stunning. I really enjoyed Santorini.
TOTALLY with you on the mega-touristy hot spots! I grew up in Miami, went to the Keys lots as a kid in the 60's, early 70's. I hate what Key West has become, and was already thinking of that when you were describing Santorini, then you mentioned Key West! My great grandfather lived down there during WW1, and lived in KW in the 30's and 40's. It was such a different world back then. And I sure wish I had those properties now! We much prefer the off the beaten path places.
Those steps were daunting. I think 🤔 I could climb them with no problem. The views are breathtaking 😍 ✨️.
Tourism is apparently a huge income garner for many communities. I traveled a lot and tried to stay long enough to get to know the place, history, culture and some of the people. A rewarding experience. I did go to South Indian ocean islands , Antarctica and the hinterland of Canada as well the Caribbean on my own bottom and trains. My visit to the Niagara falls just strengthened my view, reasonably parallel to yours, and a visit to the Augrabies falls even not in full spate was a much better experience.
You should have stopped at levitha north of astypalea. That’s magical, just two brothers having a restaurant on the hill. Fantastic food, no reception except on the hill. Magical.
I totally agree!! Stop being frightened and explore!!
NOt everyone can do what you do Jordan and sail to extravagant and isolated places where there is no people no tourists and no commercialization. I love your videos and your beautiful family and I am a subscriber since you started. Yes I went to Santorini in 2018 and it was beautiful and yes they were tourists and commercialization but the residents on those island need to make a living too. As you know thousand of viewers and subscribers support your life style and that is commercialization too
i agree with you jordan
have you thought of getting Osso shoes? I feel bad he has to walk on hot pavement 😮- Maybe you can find a sponsor for doggie shoes. Just food for thought. Sending much love to you guys.
We were there in Nov, had the island to ourselves, LoL The shops and rest. would only open for a few hours a day. We rented a 4 wheeler ATV and gave ourselves a self guided tour of the island. :)
We all must just do what works for us! I live in Florida now but do not like the changes that come with "season". I completely understand your point of view ✌️💜
Hola, Jordan and beautiful Project Atticus family,
You are SOOO right!
What a dilemma modern tourism is. This commercialization of beautiful tourist places is causing real havoc.
It is so complicated, because in the past these places with really fascinating uniqueness were only available to an "elite" of explorers, and now they are available to almost everyone, which means they have fallen into the greed and exploitation of all kinds, not only commercial.
You and your family are probably the equivalent of those past "elite" explorers who could visit places no one else could, so enjoy it while you can.
Hugs,
La tía Ivy desde ciudad de Panamá 🤗
Love your videos. It’s a shame you didn’t get to explore Astypalea the views from the Hora and the old Venetian castle are astounding, without the tourists and shopping mall
Totally understand what you’re saying about Santorini, tourism, and what is lost because of it. A true double edged sword. Very balanced comment
❤ Extremely Beatifull , i thank you for a trip of a life time where i only dream of visiting ,be safe my crew..Fair winds ,and rolling seas...
Man, this video is beautiful. The up hill hick looks a little tuff, but! Your comment is not negative. I was raised in Hawaii returned as an adult and thing truly changed not for the good. When the natives have had enough they will change tourism to fit. Maui, Hawaii is now doing the same. God bless the family, love ya mom!
I love Santorini, there are still places where there aren't so many people and those gave hotels are also amazing. I have also gone married on that island.
Jordan, I know exactly what you are talking about. I have relatives in Arizona and have been going there for years. One place we liked was Jerome . It was a sleepy ghost town with no one living there but a few hippies. Now 40 years later it's a bustling tourist trap with tour buses and tours and crowds. Sedona is another one that was a small town with beautiful mountains all around. Now it is so built up with three story parking garages and up scale shops. Last but not least is Prescott. We went to a small shop for authentic Tex/Mex food and a guy walks in with a 10 gallon hat and a colt 45 on his hip. Today I think its a Starbucks. Tourism is kind of a necessary evil but it does change the authentic character into a Disney land experience. Keep looking for those out of the way places.
Interesting viewpoints
I agree with many of them
Thanks Jordan