Arrest him I'm disabled I 4get buss pass then I don't travel... now a breach I would walk up and say this guy has distressed and worried me like to make complaint, then u can knick him breach ... disability does not give u the right too use mental health or physical ...and be entitled other people are entitled to go about the journey with out this person cause distress too other passengers if he disabled shame on him
Doesn't follow or watch mainstream media yet knows all about exemption and government guidelines. Hes said no, he doesnt want you on the bus, shut up and get off.
I'm a bus driver, we can straight up say no to anyone we feel causes distress to either ourselves or passengers... We cannot physically throw anyone off the bus but we CAN refuse to drive the bus with them on it
You're a bus driver, and like the majority of bus drivers, you are bad at driving and simply WRONG. You do not have ANY legal right to overrule the law, which clearly states exemptions for disabled people. Mind you, since you posted that just under 2 weeks ago, if you're still paranoid, you really shouldn't be in a job that involves being around strangers
Personally I don't really care what people do on the bus... But disabled or not the bus driver had every right to refuse him as he does with anyone else for any reason 🤣 It isn't against the law to refuse travel. I could refuse to take you for example purely because I don't like your face. It is written in the terms and conditions of use at every bus company. I never mentioned the legality as it's completely irrelevant as is your comment. You don't know what you're talking about.
@Dave 2020 exactly, some of these people are acting like I don't know what I can and can't do at my place of work, I don't personally do it but I know I can
We can refuse who we want for whatever reason we want. It is a condition of carriage… Regardless of reason, it is within our right as we are in charge of the vehicle. If we feel somebody acting a certain way will make other passengers feel intimidated etc we are well within our right to not let them on board
At the same time, you still have to abide by UK law. Not sure about these exempt cards but for disabled people this means the bus company complying with the Equality Act 2010.
@@Jackary1232 The official statement from Arriva's conditions of carriage, much like all other companies in the UK. The statement in particular, "The driver has discretion at all times as to who boards the service", hence implies that the driver can indeed refuse you with no valid reason stated, as they have the discretion as to who boards the service!. Obviously you are not allowed to discriminate against any protected characteristics which surely does go without saying. However if you feel somebody is being rude/unpleasant towards yourself (Regardless of race/disability etc), you are more than within your rights to leave them waiting an hour for the next bus. Maybe in that time they can learn some manners!
@@MetalFan10101 wasn't though arriva company policy was and has to be withing uk law and all regions of UK state excempt status self declared and state excempt no proof required and this was on arriva and others twitter Facebook and websites, with arriva giving with national rail the sane list of possible reasons including bpd, ocd, schizophrenia, adhd autism and other hidden disabilities, the lists were just examples the law stated that and recall Helen whately junior minister health stating on media thid could be something a Dr wouldn't even diagnose as could be u tried mask for while and realised it affected you so u decided to not wear but self declare so there's no way a gp could make a decision about excempt status
In the devolved states of uk mask mandate still there look up there government online and Scottish rail and various supermarkets etc and bus companies and you'll find exempt status exaclty sane as July 2030,self excempt and no proof required once u state when asked or state on entering your excempt thats it
Well in this case he was and arriva would've informed driver he was wrong hopefully customer was able call them and give basic details even if like me a full complaint is difficult I when told yes u don't have to show proof say can u make sure depot is told and then contact me to say so
Take the police officer to court have been degenerative through the conversation is extremely impacted by a person was supposed to drive you home not refusing you to enter inside the bus.
It's a tricky one for the following reasons - the gentleman videoing is absolutely correct that he doesn't (or didn't) need to show anybody any proof that he is exempt. The bus driver (more specifically and by representation, the bus company), on the other hand, can refuse travel to any individual within the guidelines of the disabilities act. By deduction, the bus driver cannot refuse this person travel on the basis of their lack of a face covering, but they can refuse travel on the basis that their actions could compromise safety. This in turn, however, could be argued to have been created by the bus driver's refusal to transport him in the first place. Ultimately, you don't (or, again, 'didn't') have a right to be 'protected' from people who don't wear face coverings, because there are exemptions in place. The rules dictate(d) that you have a right to be protected from people who don't wear face coverings AND aren't exempt... Which they're not required to prove. See the problem? In my opinion, the best thing the bus driver could have done is to say, "Good morning... Thank you." And taken the gentleman on his way. If passengers have a problem with that, their gripe is with the law, not the bus company. Incidentally, it's mildly comical that the bus driver's face covering isn't being worn correctly!
A bus driver doesn't have to drive a bus with any passenger who makes him feel uncomfortable or stressed as this can interrupt his concentration and risk the safety of other passengers journey
I understand that but you need to understand also that it wasn’t a legal requirement to wear a mask I didn’t go along with the covid shit but I survived with no covid and etc If back then I was denied getting on a bus bc I didn’t have a mask I think I would have just stayed until escorted out cos it’s not illegal
Err - who said that? His company? YOU'RE TALKING ABSOLUTE NONSENSE!!! WHOSE BUS POLICY SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT??? THIS BUS DRIVER CLEARLY HAD ISSUES WITH THOSE WHO DIDN'T HAVE TO WEAR A MASK. IF ADMITTING SUCH PASSENGER ONTO HIS BUS MADE HIM FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE(!!!), THEN HE SHOULD HAVE RESIGNED!!! UK LAW WAS PERFECTLY CLEAR - YOU DID NOT HAVE TO CARRY AN EXEMPTION CARD TO PROVE EXEMPTION FROM WEARING A MASK!! You clearly don't know what you're talking about! You haven't got a clue, have you?!!!
Personally I feel sorry for the innocent lady who had to endure sitting through that pointless argument with both the driver AND the police while all she wanted to do was get home.
I was a bus driver... i dont care if u pay or not😂 but the company does and if they send a ticket inspector on the bus it will be the bus drivers job on the line or he will get called to the office. Can you imagine if everyone said they are exempt? A bus drivers job is hard as it already is. They deserve way more money
Here is another male Karen who thinks he's exempt so he can do what he wants. If ur exempt than u should carry ur card as proof, u could be anyone trying to get a free ride and trying to scam the bus driver. The world revolves around facts and proof and not word of mouth.
@nickda1 yes but u still need to show proof, u can't just do or go somewhere and claim ur exempt. That's y there's something called ID passes, exempt passes etc to show that u r exempt. Do can I fly an aircraft tomorrow and say I have a commercial pilots license........
Half of the people in London are apparently exempt… as a retail worker WHO HAS ASTHMA and can work my 8 hours shift with a face mask on, it sucks having to deal with so many selfish people like this person.
So you have ASTHMA and can willingly work with a face mask on...? If that's your choice... kudos to you but HOW is this man SELFISH for HIS EXEMPTION (not just choice)? What you said is a bit like saying; I've got Hayfever but i'll just cut the grass/mow the lawn just for the crack.
4 what exercising his rights as a British citizen least he knows his rights, its people are just brain washed by the news on the rona, boris left it 2 our own discretion
Bro anyone can just walk in and say they are exempt. By law you are required to show some kind of proof when asked to support this claim if not the bus driver has full right not to let you on the bus. That is just how it works.
Yet under the law, the onus of burden of proof was upon the driver to prove the passenger wasn't exempt. There is also the small matter of 'Doctor/Patient Confidentiality' & the 'Right to Privacy'. A person's medical status is between the Dr & the patient. Bus driver's are not important enough for a GP to risk losing their license by providing proof of a medical condition to them. Ever seen a medical certificate signed by a GP for the eyes of a non medial professional? It has the absolute bare minimum of info.
@Larry Quicksave Yes Larry. It's "good" that yours, your family's, your friends, your community, your colleagues - EVERYONE you know - is being forced to impede their breathing for a - a "what" is it? Pandemic?? Yes, yes. A pandemic. A pandemic with a 99.97% survival rate, free opportunities for "terrified" people to stay indoors away from the world because hey, there's [supposed to be] a deadly pandemic around, isn't there? Miraculously, they're -foolish- brave enough, to venture outside, to get things done that "must" be so important, that they justify dying/passing it on to anyone in the process. Yet strangely enough, the borders *remain open!* Isn't that incredible?! Yes, definitely not a worldwide program of social control at all going on here, is there?
Sadly I was a bus driver and originally those that were exempt were supposed to show their exempt card, but then it was either changed or bus operators just said let people on with or without the exempt card so not to get in trouble and be complained about.
When I read through it you didn’t need a card and as far as I’m aware there isn’t a official card for it. People were allowed without medical proof under the ‘reasonable excuse’. Not that it matters now it was a load of garbage anyway and pointlessly annoying to deal with.
@@noooo_safechat2589 My thoughts exactly! Any Tom, Dick and Harry can say that they are ‘exempt’ totally contrary from reality! There needs to be a law in place otherwise anybody can hop on the bus for free
PASSENGERS HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE ON THE BUS IF THE BUS DRIVER DOES NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE TO HAVE THEM ON. Get that in your minds lol the bus will not move no where.
They do have to accept if the law states they have not done anything illegal, he stated he's exempt he even stated his disability neither police or driver had any right to enforcement on him,and contacting bus company arriva customer services I can assure u the driver and officer would've been told customer is correct driver and police not as for comments on passenger beinf drama queen and killing people plus the denial of service driver could find himself gross misconduct
@@mpol701 Wrong. They don't have to permit anyone travel anywhere, they can literally eject a passenger for any reason, and can refuse to take people anywhere, in the same way that disruptive passenger would be kicked off a flight, despite having paid hundreds for a ticket, and likely not given a refund. If the company (Arriva) want people to wear masks when boarding their bus, or train, and they refuse, they can refuse to permit them travel.
As a bus driver, we can refuse a passenger either disabled or not if causing stress to the driver or other passenger! This just show how disrespectful people to bus drivers!
You are wrong and like all bus drivers, you need to learn the law and learn how to drive sensibly. Here's a tip: Intentionally stop 3 inches behind the vehicle in front is stupid and does not get you anywhere faster. It's moronic.
@@nelsonnegranza5832 I don't need to be a driving instructor to know how to drive at at least a half-decent standard. I also don't need to be a driving instructor to have noticed 100% of bus drivers drive poorly - not indicating, pulling out into the opposite side of the road when traffic is there, speeding, pressuring cyclists and other road users by driving right behind them, not checking blind spots, and, as mentioned, stopping right behind cars in traffic, only inches from the bumper.
This guy should have stood his ground, let the police arrest him, go to court sue the police and the bus company for discrimination, the law is the law.
What a bell end. The bus driver has every right to refuse this person to board the bus. It is the drivers discretion who he does and does not allow on the bus.
Idk if im right or not, but a bus driver has all roght to refuse service to anyone for any reason dont they? If so then he deffo had no right to be on the bus after he was asked to leave. Some people make bus drivers lives so miserable man
@@cameroncoffey707 but they were exempt? He kicked him off because he wasn't wearing a mask, but he COULDNT wear a mask for medical reasons. If he had like a breathing problem or something, are you gonna make him wear a mask and let him struggle to breath? Some people only look at one side of the story ffs.
@@Emers0ned no im not only looking one side. Im not taking no sides cause idk what right people have and what not. Like i said idk if i was roght or not but thank you
@@cameroncoffey707 You ARE only looking at one side! The bus driver's transport policy should be in line with UK law, which clearly states that an exempt person does NOT have to show proof!!
And anyone can say that covid is dangerous just so they can crash the economy, force mandates, rush 'laws' through number 10 and raise taxes.... That would be the government then...
Take it up with the government of the day ignoramus. If you say you're exempt that's it you do not have to show the person asking anything to do with your medical issues . And you certainly do not have to get off the bus its then up to the driver to stop the bus and alert his company now if they want to contact the police let them attend and you can give them the name and address of your dr . Then when the police get in touch with him and he tells them that you suffer with say trigeminal neuralgia or any other neuralgia of the face . Then you sue that bus company in court .
That copper has a lot of patience. If this was any other country, the man refusing to get off the bus would have been dragged off the bus, beaten and arrested.
And in an ideal world....that's what should happen. Law and order, and morals are in the gutter in this country, and they have dragged the great out of Britain with them. I can remember the 1960s.....and it was a lot better then. We need an absolute 0 tolerance to all bad behaviour, and crime.....we need harsh medieval punishments reintroduced, and we need people in government with some idea what they are doing....instead of the wishy washy politicians we have been lumbered with.
@@poshgentleman559 and I hope when u r a victim of a dictatorship...u feel the same way... This great Britain back in the day is a fantasy in many of your heads...so every body was law abiding? The mind wonders why there was a need for police and a criminal system then...let's not forget that whilst it may have been peace and safety at home lol, what was your socall peaceful people doing in other people's countries at this time...I put it to u killing, pillaging etc..
He might have a lot of patience, or he might b exercising caution cause what is very obvious is he doesn't know the law... Its shocking how people like to advocate for brutality, just because they don't agree with a certain situation...its wrong in any country for police to use brutality on a people who fund them...we should b proud that the police are so heavily regulated, because the police are not always correct in their actions
As a bus driver I would've switched by bus off got out the cab and waited for my inspector to arrive I personally would refuse him travel due to his behaviour as of our company policy
His heinious crime ? Run that by me again ....he was wearing a mask are you serious ? You're not judge dread .....ITS DA LAW ...no its not and never was the person told you they were exempt where on earth do you think he has the right to say I don't believe you ... you're as much an imbecile as the driver you defend the indefensible just like our police service do . You CANNOT discriminate and then make up things I.e the mask to cover your discrimination whatever it is and don't make me laugh about your discriminatory board as they'll always side with the driver as your other drivers will band together to back him .....so save me your pathetic excuse in order to mitigate the unmitigatable ........this driver was and is an a hole . He denied this guy travel to which he was lawfully entitled. With a totally unlawfull excuse and if you're saying that drivers can deny travel for no lawfull reason . With the one size fits all . A driver can deny the service of which he's being paid for by the customer for any reason he wants then come up with a made up reason to the board who will exonerate him no matter what ....as all the other drivers will band together and you'll have a problem on your hands .....so do us a favour the truth is your driver was in the wrong and the passenger was in the right . End of ...duhhhhh....!!!
He is there because you are commiting criminal trespass by not leaving the bus , you can complain about the police and the driver you don't hold court on the buses and if you thought you were right you should have taken the arrest .
Passengers are the worst. Leave them. Let them not pay or wear masks. They all broke as hell. Just drive the bus and get paid. There’s a reason they are the way they are mate.
Hope he complained to arriva he would of been vindicated as I was, don't need to do full complaint too difficult for some of us just say driver and bud information and state refused travel because he said I had to show excemtion, arriva would contact depot and have driver told, no he doesn't
Since July 2020 done this a few times for a few companies each time satisfied with company be it arriva, costcutter, morrison, tesco also I kept up reminding various companies about the rules and agsin all said yes we are well aware we can only ask and if thry say excempt we can't ask anymore no. Proof of excemptions needed England before July 2020 ot rest of UK now or tfl in London or if we go back to face mask rules soon my guess is if we go back to ruled England more will legally self id as excempt
Just phone the bus company from the bus and they'll soon tell him to do his bloody job and treat passengers with the respect they deserve otherwise they're SACKED!
I have Autism myself and don't agree with the camera guy. You do need a card showing you are except but the card doesn't show what the reason is. I wear the card every time I go out to avoid this situation. Secondly, bus drivers can refuse service to anyone without a reason, with Autism or not.
Contact arriva customer service you'll find the don't need anyone to show excemtion, 8n fact look at there twitter feeds it states many times the correct information no proof of excemtions required
You don’t need to show any proof, or the exemption card - it’s not routine. I use to do it every time on the bus back in the first lockdown, but now there’s the new mask mandate I’ve been in 4 shops & 3 buses without my card and not once been questioned.
I don't normally agree with old bill, but in this case its a clear breach of the peace, so it is a matter for the police. Also im disabled & except & under the Covid-19 guidelines, if you are exempt then you should have a badge that you can download from the British lung Foundation, or Asthma UKs Website, or you can go to your GP & ask them for proof that u have breathing problems. I keep mine on my phone, so if anyone asks I have it. People say that you have to have it on a lanyard around your neck. No you don't, you just have to have it on you, so if your going into a public building, or using public transport you can show it if your asked to & if you don't have it, or refuse to show it, then the driver can refuse you transport.
The fella said he's no breaching the peace, but he is raising his voice. I think he was just being awkward. He could have easily told the bus driver why he was exempt and then maybe, maybe, the driver would have let him travel on the bus.
Mate, I've got autism and it's hard to not rase your voice and become aggressive when done something, and someone else says no, you can't come here or do this, so please be more understanding about autism please.
@@Blue_Blue_Sky2005 I understand autism enough, I have it. I was talking about the fact that he didn't tell the bus driver why he was exempt from wearing a mask. If he had told the driver exactly why he was exempt and the driver still refused to let him sit down, I would have totally been on the fella's side. Someone not being fair with me also brings out my aggressive side as well, especially when I think I've been fair with them.
That bloke is really getting on my nerves. He buts in constantly. I wouldn’t let anyone on my bus if I were a driver throughout Covid. No one was allowed into my business without a mask. Regardless. I wouldn’t want to put myself at risk. He is breaching the peace. The bus driver has given his reasons several times, as to why he won’t take him on the bus.
Sound sensitivity - also known as hyperacusis - is common in autistic people. Does this gentleman actually suffer from autism? His behaviour makes me doubt him.
In Europe, this guy would been dragged from the bus and arrested.No wonder your city streets are so unsafe at night. Your police force is a complete joke. No guns, no guts,no power. Surely the worst police force in the world
Autism is one even on arriva website, but in fact just saying for any reason excempt is fine under law u don't have to show or state proof, why would driver let him on showing a lanyard lol but not let him on ehe says exempt then states later autistic his behaviour was showing his disability both driver and police office must be stupid if they couldn't see that yes he was in little professor autistic mode high pitched and adamant he was right why? Simple he was right he was stating correct info wearing lanyard he would of ptob got on bus but fail to see how it proves anything and therefoe was never a legal requirement
Wrong it is the bus drivers job. A bus drivers job is to drive a bus in safe manner and to look after their passengers. And whilst covid Is about it's even harder
@@martinhoward9564 Errr - you have no understanding of physics, clearly! The cab is NOT sealed!! Use your brain! If the cab were sealed, the driver would need an oxygen mask to breath!! He CAN'T EVEN BE BOTHERED TO PROPERLY COVER HIS NOSE, IN ADDITION TO HIS MOUTH, WHILE HE'S SUPPOSEDLY ENFORCING COVID-19 POLICY!! A UK COURT WOULD CONVICT THIS DRIVER OF NEGLIGENCE.
That driver has a point. He don't have any proof. It's simple. In all fairness he should have a lanyard to say he is exempt. He has permission to tell passengers to get off his bus.
@@mumflrpumble9107 sorry no he can't and a complaint to arriva driver would be told no doubt yet again customers don't have to show or prove exemption and that can't be used to refuse travel on any uk travel company or venue or retail establishment which is why very few even try to enforce yws sone do and some cases person is fined but many at court got thrown out as proof of disability or reason for not wearing isn't required under law
@@SiLoJayLo not health any reason of serious discomfort, cabinet office guidance states person says excempt ie not medical excemtion this is all that's required be aware many people have hidden disabilities and reasons for not wearing and those must be respected
@@mumflrpumble9107 like to see him justify himself to his manager after customer services managers have said we have info route so and so at 1545 etc driver refused service despite customer stating excempt why did your driver not know the regulations despite on website and twitter Facebook and all depots being told
It is always a condition of carriage that the bus driver can refuse boarding. It’s his own subjective opinion of what poses a safety risk to himself or other passengers. The legal enforcement of mask wearing involves issuing a fine. He is not trying to do this.
He can't enforce masks the gentleman is covered by law stating excempt, he only has to contact arriva customer service state time and route arriva will contact depot and drivers at depot will be told u can't ask for proof if customer says exempt that all they have to do
A few mask fines got through but most were chucked out at court as no one has to shoe proof any police who tried it on modt were told off by senior officers
I’m not a bus driver my self but it says that a passenger without a face mask can’t get on unless they have a exempt card. If that rule was not in place everyone would say that there exempt and COVID-19 would go bonkers. It’s the law mate
But anyone LITERALLY anyone can get a face mask exemption card, and the government guidelines says it should not be routine to ask for evidence, but if asked for an exemption card counts.
Yeah but what if they lost there card tho???? Im a disabled child and i am legally exempt. But here in Southend on sea the bus drivers still let me on cause they know im disabled
The bus driver is right you need proof that you are exempt unless you won't be allowed on it's the rules follow them. If you don't have proof then they won't let you on.
You AND the bus driver is wrong. You do NOT need proof that you are exempt, according to UK law, nor should you be asked to provide proof of exemption. A company's rules do not outrank the law.
@@cemops8660 ...but the driver does not have to right to discriminate against anyone on the basis of disability though..... (as clearly stated in the Equalities Act 2010) that's the point as well as the law. Do try to think first before you post.
Why? Anywhere in uk any location any ground transport taxis uber train bus or coach, or retail or hospitality or even nhs proof was never required and there wasn't any proof anyway just lanyards badges or screenshot, download or hand written I'm excempt etc no actual proof but none was proof and none was a legal requirement only self id I'm excempt was all that's needed in devolved areas or now tfl London no actual proof
Yeah. Amazing how many people suddenly developed asthma so as not to wear a face mask during the pandemic. I have COPD but still managed to wear one. Not only for my own protection, but for others.
They may not legally have had to show an exemption card, but, if they genuinely had one, and had feelings for others cares and worries they would show one anyway. Most of them didn't have one to start with and argued the toss rather than pulling together rather than helping each other. Possibly one of the reasons lockdown went on so long.
i have no ailments but do have a disability a learning disability but i could have had an excemption but i tried a mask and found i could have one on comfortably so i wore them i once sat at the back of the bus and because the back of the bus was so warm in summer i felt sick so i moved to another seat and was fine after that but the guy was right you dont have to show excemption card its only to show you dont have to wear one and you only had to say you was excempt thats it and he did that so he should have let him on
Innocent people with disabilities in public shouldn’t have to be treated like that if you have a serious body problem you are aloud to get on a bus without a mask in Covid even if it’s autism but it was really annoying that lady kept getting involved you had 3 people against 1 innocent member on the public getting on the bus home at least he was social distancing at the time honestly this innocent man doesn’t deserve this discrimination.
Officer Right...Driver Wrong..Passenger Wrong.....Driver does not have to carry someone...you have a right of complaint and have to get off......bus companies are very strict with the drivers
He has autism. As a bus driver myself I would have allowed him travel to limit service disruption, and not all people who are exempt have the card. But ultimately it is up to the driver and probably best to accept the refusal of travel and get on another bus. But even allowing travel for someone without a mask can cause other passengers to complain. And on occasions passengers would remove the mask when seated, but that is out of our hands. Fortunately our company policy prohibited drivers from wearing masks due to safety issues, since wearing a face mask can restrict breathing. But I can see why drivers who are forced to wear a mask would dislike carrying passengers who would ignore it. I'm just glad face coverings on public transport has been dropped, with the exemption of TFL.
@@jamesedleymusic It ain't over yet petal blossom. Wait till the full numbers are in. Fauci will make Hitler look like an ameteur. BTW remember the brown shirts.
I have had many problems with this particular bus company. Its people who are not genuine who say that they may be exempt from wearing a mask when actually they might not be, from the drivers point of view I kind of understand but at the same time he is not paid to police passengers that is not his job his job is to drive the bus and get people to where they need to be safely. It’s people who fake being exempt or fake needing help that they actually might not need that puts people who are genuinely exempt and who are genuinely in need of help in a difficult position
The person has even stated there excemptions 3ven 5hough he does not have to he is autistic and no doubt like me sensory issues, oxygen issues and more under law he only had to state he's exempt he was correct police and driver wasnt if driver and police had bothered to contact customer service they would of been informed no proof needed driver u have to take this person as most como2ar3 fully aware which is why they and retailers don't challenge as no point when we had face mask legislation, which stopped July anyway then excempt in all 4 parts of uk is self excempt, state your excempt and no one can ask u why ot ask u to show proof
As for genuine or not there's no such thing, when exemptions came in health minister stated excempt status could be someone who really find a mask difficult to wear, they don't have to have a recognised disability or prove such
another issue is that in them refusing puts others on the bus at risk I drive all day long and on busy days can take well over 400 people and every one not wearing a mask increases my risk of catching it and needing to take 10 days of unpaid leave (ssp) a lot of gobby shits can't be arsed to wear one and i (not often) refuse travel, I am aloud to refuse travel and I don't have to give a reason, I can just say I don't like that person, I see loads of people with exemptions and have no issue with them but the ones that try to start shit with me I don't tolerate it and you get a feel for them immediately.
@@Legofodawin 2 months ago and you're still paranoid, even after the Christmas parties proved the MPs knew there was nothing to worry about? Sheesh, don't have a job around strangers. "You get a feel for them" - nah, you just judge people for nothing and unlawfully discriminate. No wonder more people are learning to drive.
BTW same applies to u, look asshole he doesn't have to wear a face mask at the time and to this day, as said hopefully the guy complained to arriva and got the guy sacked
@@DylansBusSpottingVideos I’ve just checked gov.uk (10 minutes ago) and it says: If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering: - you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this - you do not need to show an exemption card
This is what’s wrong with society, police who don’t know the law(or how to spell) and public workers who don’t know customer service and normal morals for human decency
Hhhhhhhhhh police man was like an angel to him you know if this happened in another country what can a police officer do with this man hhhhhhhhhhhh really he had a nice attitude
Since when did bus companies offer a free service to people without a valid Disability Freedom Pass as evidence of identity?. The bus driver was correct, and the policeman was correct regarding breach of the peace, the fact that he got off the bus resisting arrest proved the point that he was in the wrong.
All it takes is for this dude to ware a sunflower lanyard with an exempt card from his doctor 🙄 so many people saying they exempt with just a sunflower lanyard, the cop should have just fined this dude for not wareing a mask and let him go to court and prove it to a judge 🙄
@@tbob9991 'Selfish' for not wearing a mask? Lol. The Courts have ruled the issuance of the Fines are Unlawful and thus Unenforceable. If that is not BULLYING and INTIMIDATION, I don't know what is. Knowing your rights is a beautiful thing. I recommend you read up on Common Law. You might just need rely on them one day: 'He who does not know his rights, has none.'
@@MrFriskyWhiskey wareing a face covering protects the vulnerable, it doesn't matter what I or you or any one says, at the end of the day it's mandatory to ware a mask o the bus, if the driver don't want you o the bus they are with in there right to refuse you
That would be true kind of if he had left the cab but most companies fully sealed the cabs at one point or the other you can see this cab has been fully sealed up around the front to where the doors actually are on this one it's just one of them things in a way the driver has his own point because it's him who is keeping everyone safe but at the end of the day all the driver would have to do is ask politely to open a window and let some air on the bus or give him a note/transfer ticket to get the next bus.. I Think with all these videos allot of it is left out so you don't get both sides of the story 😊
She was very abuse to a Autistic person who had Potially caused to have an Autistum meltdown it's lack of Training and Knowadge from the driver and Policeman that may put a Vonrable person in harms way as when meltdown happen senses can be impaired that driver old lady and Policeman could cause that person to have a serous accident.
Then customers will be able to contact police and customer services and seek support probably police won't care but can assure u bus companies will there were cases of public attacking verbally non mask wearers and complaints were taken very seriously and passed to. Police stating we have customers who can't wear masks they don't have to identify to anyone and other customers must respect this or could be in trouble
I. Meant customer stating excempt provided he's stated or she excempt they then have protection by very least customer services of the large companies transport shops but modt small shops and transport companies as well in all most hqve been very good to those stating excempt but individual issues do occur
yeah, wear your yellow star, you don't need a eemption card, the law says you don't have to have one. The driver is 100% acting unlawfuly and should grow the fuck up
Just had a quick read up on the government website and you don't need to show an exemption card however, you may feel more comfortable to show an exemption card for added reassurance to the driver or anyone else for not needing to wear a facemask. As long as you've given a valid reason, you should be allowed
You don't need to "explain" yourself. You are - and I'll put this as unambiguously as I can - FULLY ENTITLED to ride on a bus, unmasked, without explanation. Exemptions are *PRIVATE* - that's where the explanation begins and ends.
You are no longer legally required to wear a face covering in any setting. Therefore you do not need to rely on an exemption if you need one. However, you may feel more comfortable if you can show something to reflect that you’re not able to wear a face covering. For example, in circumstances where the government recommends and expects you to continue to wear face coverings such as in crowded and enclosed spaces like public transport. If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering you do not need to show: any written evidence of this an exemption card This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering. However, some people may feel more comfortable if they are able to show something that explains why they’re not wearing a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign. Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law.
Slight change but basically from day one of face masks excempt status was self decided and no proof was ever needed, u could just say excempt or write on ppaper or a lanyard totally upto person service can't be denied anyone denied was denied illegally
@@letsdiscussitoversometea8479 "Entitled" no. Nobody is "entitled" to ride a bus, in the same way that nobody is "entitled" to drive a car. It's one of those things that has set rules and terms, in the case of a bus they expect you to act amicably on board and not be abusive or disruptive or endanger other passengers, not to smoke on a bus, etc. The driver can refuse you travel, ultimately although it's a TFL service the buses are owned privately by private companies such as StageCoach, GoAhead Group, Arriva, Metrobus, etc, all of whom will have their own differing internal policies, and it's down to their drivers whether they permit travel to someone or not. TFL can suggest and give guidance but ultimately any bus driver can refuse travel to someone as they're the operating firm, not TFL.
No if u have a card to prove that u have a disability then u have to show it. No card - no travel.
Couldn’t agree more!
Exact
Arrest him I'm disabled I 4get buss pass then I don't travel... now a breach I would walk up and say this guy has distressed and worried me like to make complaint, then u can knick him breach ... disability does not give u the right too use mental health or physical ...and be entitled other people are entitled to go about the journey with out this person cause distress too other passengers if he disabled shame on him
Doesn't follow or watch mainstream media yet knows all about exemption and government guidelines. Hes said no, he doesnt want you on the bus, shut up and get off.
I'm a bus driver, we can straight up say no to anyone we feel causes distress to either ourselves or passengers... We cannot physically throw anyone off the bus but we CAN refuse to drive the bus with them on it
You're a bus driver, and like the majority of bus drivers, you are bad at driving and simply WRONG. You do not have ANY legal right to overrule the law, which clearly states exemptions for disabled people. Mind you, since you posted that just under 2 weeks ago, if you're still paranoid, you really shouldn't be in a job that involves being around strangers
Personally I don't really care what people do on the bus... But disabled or not the bus driver had every right to refuse him as he does with anyone else for any reason 🤣
It isn't against the law to refuse travel.
I could refuse to take you for example purely because I don't like your face.
It is written in the terms and conditions of use at every bus company.
I never mentioned the legality as it's completely irrelevant as is your comment.
You don't know what you're talking about.
@Dave 2020 exactly, some of these people are acting like I don't know what I can and can't do at my place of work, I don't personally do it but I know I can
@@voicesoffbeat9246 Nonsense, get an education, muppet
We were told not to argue with ppl
I agree with driver. If your excempt bring along your card at all times.
Yea cux driver is an employee as well he has to abide by policies its not his fault
@@ZlogsUK exactly. It’s like when police arrest someone. It’s there job. Same thing just on a more fatal situation
We can refuse who we want for whatever reason we want. It is a condition of carriage… Regardless of reason, it is within our right as we are in charge of the vehicle. If we feel somebody acting a certain way will make other passengers feel intimidated etc we are well within our right to not let them on board
At the same time, you still have to abide by UK law. Not sure about these exempt cards but for disabled people this means the bus company complying with the Equality Act 2010.
Regardless of reason? Then on the colour of the skin of someone?
Condition of carriage yes, but you need a valid reason. Not regardless.
@@Jackary1232 The official statement from Arriva's conditions of carriage, much like all other companies in the UK. The statement in particular, "The driver has discretion at all times as to who boards the service", hence implies that the driver can indeed refuse you with no valid reason stated, as they have the discretion as to who boards the service!. Obviously you are not allowed to discriminate against any protected characteristics which surely does go without saying. However if you feel somebody is being rude/unpleasant towards yourself (Regardless of race/disability etc), you are more than within your rights to leave them waiting an hour for the next bus. Maybe in that time they can learn some manners!
Wrong, you have to comply with the Equality Act 2010.
I understand the bus driver is a joker trying to enforce law,but imagine everyone says they are exempt 😏
Yeah...
Imagine trying to keep that fact private (as per your lawful entitlement).
What do you imagine should happen then?
He wasnt enforcing law he was abiding by his interpretation of company policy.
@john jones "Know your place, peasant!"
That's what you're saying in effect, isn't it?
@@MetalFan10101 wasn't though arriva company policy was and has to be withing uk law and all regions of UK state excempt status self declared and state excempt no proof required and this was on arriva and others twitter Facebook and websites, with arriva giving with national rail the sane list of possible reasons including bpd, ocd, schizophrenia, adhd autism and other hidden disabilities, the lists were just examples the law stated that and recall Helen whately junior minister health stating on media thid could be something a Dr wouldn't even diagnose as could be u tried mask for while and realised it affected you so u decided to not wear but self declare so there's no way a gp could make a decision about excempt status
In the devolved states of uk mask mandate still there look up there government online and Scottish rail and various supermarkets etc and bus companies and you'll find exempt status exaclty sane as July 2030,self excempt and no proof required once u state when asked or state on entering your excempt thats it
‘Lawd’ have mercy..not everyone with a camera phone is in the right...
I didn’t expect to find you on this video lol I thought you just did coronation street videos
Well in this case he was and arriva would've informed driver he was wrong hopefully customer was able call them and give basic details even if like me a full complaint is difficult I when told yes u don't have to show proof say can u make sure depot is told and then contact me to say so
Take the police officer to court have been degenerative through the conversation is extremely impacted by a person was supposed to drive you home not refusing you to enter inside the bus.
It's a tricky one for the following reasons - the gentleman videoing is absolutely correct that he doesn't (or didn't) need to show anybody any proof that he is exempt. The bus driver (more specifically and by representation, the bus company), on the other hand, can refuse travel to any individual within the guidelines of the disabilities act. By deduction, the bus driver cannot refuse this person travel on the basis of their lack of a face covering, but they can refuse travel on the basis that their actions could compromise safety. This in turn, however, could be argued to have been created by the bus driver's refusal to transport him in the first place. Ultimately, you don't (or, again, 'didn't') have a right to be 'protected' from people who don't wear face coverings, because there are exemptions in place. The rules dictate(d) that you have a right to be protected from people who don't wear face coverings AND aren't exempt... Which they're not required to prove. See the problem? In my opinion, the best thing the bus driver could have done is to say, "Good morning... Thank you." And taken the gentleman on his way. If passengers have a problem with that, their gripe is with the law, not the bus company. Incidentally, it's mildly comical that the bus driver's face covering isn't being worn correctly!
He is using disability as an excuse
how do you know you dont know him so dont judge him
The bus driver is in charge of the bus and has the final word, right or wrong.
Wrong. It's the bus company, or the government, that makes the rules, and the drivers have to stick to that, not make up their own rules.
@@michaelfrancis7072 They can refuse anyone, condition of carriage
@@michaelfrancis7072 No they don’t. Are you a bus driver ?
A bus driver doesn't have to drive a bus with any passenger who makes him feel uncomfortable or stressed as this can interrupt his concentration and risk the safety of other passengers journey
I understand that but you need to understand also that it wasn’t a legal requirement to wear a mask I didn’t go along with the covid shit but I survived with no covid and etc
If back then I was denied getting on a bus bc I didn’t have a mask I think I would have just stayed until escorted out cos it’s not illegal
Its nothing to do with covid fs he hasn't got a pass and expects just to walk on without paying you get a bus pass if you have a mental disability
oh god he never refused to pay he said he had an exemption pass to travel without a mask watch the video again and pay attention@@alexmacaulay9550
Err - who said that? His company? YOU'RE TALKING ABSOLUTE NONSENSE!!! WHOSE BUS POLICY SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT??? THIS BUS DRIVER CLEARLY HAD ISSUES WITH THOSE WHO DIDN'T HAVE TO WEAR A MASK. IF ADMITTING SUCH PASSENGER ONTO HIS BUS MADE HIM FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE(!!!), THEN HE SHOULD HAVE RESIGNED!!! UK LAW WAS PERFECTLY CLEAR - YOU DID NOT HAVE TO CARRY AN EXEMPTION CARD TO PROVE EXEMPTION FROM WEARING A MASK!! You clearly don't know what you're talking about! You haven't got a clue, have you?!!!
Personally I feel sorry for the innocent lady who had to endure sitting through that pointless argument with both the driver AND the police while all she wanted to do was get home.
But then again that's all he wanted too.
What ever the problem the passenger have he is bound to show the pass to the bus driver. No pass no ride. Full stop.
What a sad little man. Get off the bus.
Because he didn’t want to become a sheep like the rest of you left authoritarian nutcases?
I was a bus driver... i dont care if u pay or not😂 but the company does and if they send a ticket inspector on the bus it will be the bus drivers job on the line or he will get called to the office. Can you imagine if everyone said they are exempt?
A bus drivers job is hard as it already is. They deserve way more money
Yeah he can refuse if youre being offensive, ride etc… that is why you need to get off.
You should have had your exemption card! Ridiculous excuse
Here is another male Karen who thinks he's exempt so he can do what he wants. If ur exempt than u should carry ur card as proof, u could be anyone trying to get a free ride and trying to scam the bus driver. The world revolves around facts and proof and not word of mouth.
Free ride🤔even with a face mask exemption card you still have to pay your fair
Card isn’t any “proof”… and even if you’re exempt, you don’t get free travel 😂. Educate yourself mate
Free rides have got nothing to do with it he didnt refuse to pay once excemption is allowing you to travel without a mask
@nickda1 yes but u still need to show proof, u can't just do or go somewhere and claim ur exempt. That's y there's something called ID passes, exempt passes etc to show that u r exempt. Do can I fly an aircraft tomorrow and say I have a commercial pilots license........
@patrykmyslinski1285 educate urself and open a dictionary and learn the word exempt. Did u skip secondary school. 😆 🤣
Half of the people in London are apparently exempt… as a retail worker WHO HAS ASTHMA and can work my 8 hours shift with a face mask on, it sucks having to deal with so many selfish people like this person.
If you aren't selfish why don't you stop breathing thus giving space to those who were born free?:))))
So you have ASTHMA and can willingly work with a face mask on...? If that's your choice... kudos to you but HOW is this man SELFISH for HIS EXEMPTION (not just choice)?
What you said is a bit like saying; I've got Hayfever but i'll just cut the grass/mow the lawn just for the crack.
Shut up
4 what exercising his rights as a British citizen least he knows his rights, its people are just brain washed by the news on the rona, boris left it 2 our own discretion
As a person who knows that your medial condition is not the same for everyone, it would suck having to deal with someone as selfish as you
I too would refuse him travel.
I generally feel sorry for the people who are waiting to get home
You can tell non workers
I feel sorry for drivers wasting time to get other to appointments
Bro anyone can just walk in and say they are exempt. By law you are required to show some kind of proof when asked to support this claim if not the bus driver has full right not to let you on the bus. That is just how it works.
Yet under the law, the onus of burden of proof was upon the driver to prove the passenger wasn't exempt. There is also the small matter of 'Doctor/Patient Confidentiality' & the 'Right to Privacy'. A person's medical status is between the Dr & the patient. Bus driver's are not important enough for a GP to risk losing their license by providing proof of a medical condition to them.
Ever seen a medical certificate signed by a GP for the eyes of a non medial professional? It has the absolute bare minimum of info.
for god sake he didnt have to show it hes right and your wrong
Even with an exemption card i was still refused bus service
Good
@Larry Quicksave
Yes Larry.
It's "good" that yours, your family's, your friends, your community, your colleagues - EVERYONE you know - is being forced to impede their breathing for a - a "what" is it? Pandemic??
Yes, yes. A pandemic.
A pandemic with a 99.97% survival rate, free opportunities for "terrified" people to stay indoors away from the world because hey, there's [supposed to be] a deadly pandemic around, isn't there?
Miraculously, they're -foolish- brave enough, to venture outside, to get things done that "must" be so important, that they justify dying/passing it on to anyone in the process.
Yet strangely enough, the borders *remain open!*
Isn't that incredible?!
Yes, definitely not a worldwide program of social control at all going on here, is there?
@@letsdiscussitoversometea8479 shut up
@@larryquicksave5765 that’s rude
@@letsdiscussitoversometea8479 same thing happened in 1911 and I don't remember that helping the governments much since they rely on a strong economy
No face coverings? No travel.
Exempt? Proof needed.
Fuck off back to Berlin, 1939.
No its not required
Ironic the official method of proof is downloading a photo from gov.uk. And no, you don’t need to upload a doctors letter to get it.
@@NothingToDismay imagine comparing a virus to the Nazis..
@@coastliner7009 Lol. The Nazis were confined to Germany back then
The camera man playing the victim card
"You tried to insult me and personally attack me with your ad hominems," says the guy who's just repeatedly called the driver a "moron" 🤦♂
Im Sorry for bus driver
Bus drivers have to deal with a lot of abuse and nasty passengers.
I know this bus driver and he wouldn’t harm a fly.
A good cop would have said 'okay it's a civil matter but I understand the need for you do get home so allow me to help you with that'
The bus driver is responsible for the safety of the passengers on the bus. He is in charge of the bus. If he tells you to get off, get off. It simple
Sadly I was a bus driver and originally those that were exempt were supposed to show their exempt card, but then it was either changed or bus operators just said let people on with or without the exempt card so not to get in trouble and be complained about.
Then this’ll lead to people lying to the bus drivers saying they’re exempt when they’re not
Nazi
When I read through it you didn’t need a card and as far as I’m aware there isn’t a official card for it. People were allowed without medical proof under the ‘reasonable excuse’. Not that it matters now it was a load of garbage anyway and pointlessly annoying to deal with.
@@noooo_safechat2589 My thoughts exactly! Any Tom, Dick and Harry can say that they are ‘exempt’ totally contrary from reality! There needs to be a law in place otherwise anybody can hop on the bus for free
PASSENGERS HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE ON THE BUS IF THE BUS DRIVER DOES NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE TO HAVE THEM ON. Get that in your minds lol the bus will not move no where.
They do have to accept if the law states they have not done anything illegal, he stated he's exempt he even stated his disability neither police or driver had any right to enforcement on him,and contacting bus company arriva customer services I can assure u the driver and officer would've been told customer is correct driver and police not as for comments on passenger beinf drama queen and killing people plus the denial of service driver could find himself gross misconduct
@@mpol701 Wrong. They don't have to permit anyone travel anywhere, they can literally eject a passenger for any reason, and can refuse to take people anywhere, in the same way that disruptive passenger would be kicked off a flight, despite having paid hundreds for a ticket, and likely not given a refund. If the company (Arriva) want people to wear masks when boarding their bus, or train, and they refuse, they can refuse to permit them travel.
As a bus driver, we can refuse a passenger either disabled or not if causing stress to the driver or other passenger! This just show how disrespectful people to bus drivers!
you cab refuse but expect people to take you and the company to court, typical dick head bus driver
You are wrong and like all bus drivers, you need to learn the law and learn how to drive sensibly. Here's a tip: Intentionally stop 3 inches behind the vehicle in front is stupid and does not get you anywhere faster. It's moronic.
@@rogueuniversities6866 Thank you fir your kind tip The Great Driving instructor!
@@nelsonnegranza5832 I don't need to be a driving instructor to know how to drive at at least a half-decent standard. I also don't need to be a driving instructor to have noticed 100% of bus drivers drive poorly - not indicating, pulling out into the opposite side of the road when traffic is there, speeding, pressuring cyclists and other road users by driving right behind them, not checking blind spots, and, as mentioned, stopping right behind cars in traffic, only inches from the bumper.
@@rogueuniversities6866 for as long as we got our professional license thats all that matter aint it! Hahahaha
This guy should have stood his ground, let the police arrest him, go to court sue the police and the bus company for discrimination, the law is the law.
He doesn't have to give you any reason and can refuse anyone, anytime. Learn the law yourself...
What a bell end. The bus driver has every right to refuse this person to board the bus. It is the drivers discretion who he does and does not allow on the bus.
Idk if im right or not, but a bus driver has all roght to refuse service to anyone for any reason dont they? If so then he deffo had no right to be on the bus after he was asked to leave. Some people make bus drivers lives so miserable man
@@cameroncoffey707 but they were exempt? He kicked him off because he wasn't wearing a mask, but he COULDNT wear a mask for medical reasons. If he had like a breathing problem or something, are you gonna make him wear a mask and let him struggle to breath? Some people only look at one side of the story ffs.
@@Emers0ned no im not only looking one side. Im not taking no sides cause idk what right people have and what not. Like i said idk if i was roght or not but thank you
@@cameroncoffey707 You ARE only looking at one side! The bus driver's transport policy should be in line with UK law, which clearly states that an exempt person does NOT have to show proof!!
Anyone can say they are "exempt" just so they don't want to wear a mask
And the point of wearing a mask is????????
@@onealspence8548 who's that question for?
And anyone can say that covid is dangerous just so they can crash the economy, force mandates, rush 'laws' through number 10 and raise taxes.... That would be the government then...
Take it up with the government of the day ignoramus. If you say you're exempt that's it you do not have to show the person asking anything to do with your medical issues . And you certainly do not have to get off the bus its then up to the driver to stop the bus and alert his company now if they want to contact the police let them attend and you can give them the name and address of your dr . Then when the police get in touch with him and he tells them that you suffer with say trigeminal neuralgia or any other neuralgia of the face . Then you sue that bus company in court .
They don't work anyway.
That copper has a lot of patience. If this was any other country, the man refusing to get off the bus would have been dragged off the bus, beaten and arrested.
And in an ideal world....that's what should happen. Law and order, and morals are in the gutter in this country, and they have dragged the great out of Britain with them. I can remember the 1960s.....and it was a lot better then. We need an absolute 0 tolerance to all bad behaviour, and crime.....we need harsh medieval punishments reintroduced, and we need people in government with some idea what they are doing....instead of the wishy washy politicians we have been lumbered with.
@@poshgentleman559 and I hope when u r a victim of a dictatorship...u feel the same way...
This great Britain back in the day is a fantasy in many of your heads...so every body was law abiding? The mind wonders why there was a need for police and a criminal system then...let's not forget that whilst it may have been peace and safety at home lol, what was your socall peaceful people doing in other people's countries at this time...I put it to u killing, pillaging etc..
He might have a lot of patience, or he might b exercising caution cause what is very obvious is he doesn't know the law...
Its shocking how people like to advocate for brutality, just because they don't agree with a certain situation...its wrong in any country for police to use brutality on a people who fund them...we should b proud that the police are so heavily regulated, because the police are not always correct in their actions
@@poshgentleman559 Pipe down mate, don't act like the 60s weren't just as if not shitter than today
Patience the guy is correct and arriva and all the bus companies acceot the law 5hatu don't need to show excemtion
Even the police man told you ur wrong mate. Bus driver is incharge of the bus
That copper should have notified you that he was filming you.
Well, some don't, that's the only thing why nowadays, the public would rarely trust the police now.
It looks like he wants conflict....filming FFS. So is he exempt from showing his exempt card..hahaha all for youtu😮...
As a bus driver I would've switched by bus off got out the cab and waited for my inspector to arrive I personally would refuse him travel due to his behaviour as of our company policy
His heinious crime ? Run that by me again ....he was wearing a mask are you serious ? You're not judge dread .....ITS DA LAW ...no its not and never was the person told you they were exempt where on earth do you think he has the right to say I don't believe you ... you're as much an imbecile as the driver you defend the indefensible just like our police service do . You CANNOT discriminate and then make up things I.e the mask to cover your discrimination whatever it is and don't make me laugh about your discriminatory board as they'll always side with the driver as your other drivers will band together to back him .....so save me your pathetic excuse in order to mitigate the unmitigatable ........this driver was and is an a hole . He denied this guy travel to which he was lawfully entitled. With a totally unlawfull excuse and if you're saying that drivers can deny travel for no lawfull reason . With the one size fits all . A driver can deny the service of which he's being paid for by the customer for any reason he wants then come up with a made up reason to the board who will exonerate him no matter what ....as all the other drivers will band together and you'll have a problem on your hands .....so do us a favour the truth is your driver was in the wrong and the passenger was in the right . End of ...duhhhhh....!!!
My txt should read he wasn't wearing a mask lest you couldn't work that out ...
typical selfish ignorant bus driver eh! so you're exposed as a bigot and breaking the law and would throw a childish paddy.
As a bus driver, you and others like you are the reason more people are learning to drive
Nothin wrong with his behaviour
The policeman is not a Doctor if the passenger is exempt he has medical reasons or a disability which he does not wish to discuss in public
He is there because you are commiting criminal trespass by not leaving the bus , you can complain about the police and the driver you don't hold court on the buses and if you thought you were right you should have taken the arrest .
He did a fantastic job. Thank you sir ❤
It's sick be coos am exempt from bus aswell
I stopped using the bus and saved a fortune. It's a plus to avoid drivers like that.
If the passenger was in charge of the bus, then there would be no service.
Passengers are the worst. Leave them. Let them not pay or wear masks. They all broke as hell. Just drive the bus and get paid. There’s a reason they are the way they are mate.
@john jones no shame in being disabled unable to work stop being anti disable
Hope he complained to arriva he would of been vindicated as I was, don't need to do full complaint too difficult for some of us just say driver and bud information and state refused travel because he said I had to show excemtion, arriva would contact depot and have driver told, no he doesn't
Since July 2020 done this a few times for a few companies each time satisfied with company be it arriva, costcutter, morrison, tesco also I kept up reminding various companies about the rules and agsin all said yes we are well aware we can only ask and if thry say excempt we can't ask anymore no. Proof of excemptions needed England before July 2020 ot rest of UK now or tfl in London or if we go back to face mask rules soon my guess is if we go back to ruled England more will legally self id as excempt
I’m autistic myself and I can definitely understand your Situation. Most people don’t care about others by themselves
Just phone the bus company from the bus and they'll soon tell him to do his bloody job and treat passengers with the respect they deserve otherwise they're SACKED!
I have Autism myself and don't agree with the camera guy.
You do need a card showing you are except but the card doesn't show what the reason is. I wear the card every time I go out to avoid this situation.
Secondly, bus drivers can refuse service to anyone without a reason, with Autism or not.
No u don't need to show anything I'm autistic as welll just look at the gov guidelines but at present in England mask not required any way
Contact arriva customer service you'll find the don't need anyone to show excemtion, 8n fact look at there twitter feeds it states many times the correct information no proof of excemtions required
You don't need one, there's no law requiring one.
You don’t need to show any proof, or the exemption card - it’s not routine. I use to do it every time on the bus back in the first lockdown, but now there’s the new mask mandate I’ve been in 4 shops & 3 buses without my card and not once been questioned.
Similar story here, not even the staff wear them and nobody is shamed.
You learn a couple of words, and now you're a lawyer. When you don't have anything to do, you have time for this rubbish.
If you haven't showed your disabled badge bus pass them do you expect to get home for nothing
It's got nothing to do with the police.
Well what are you doing here then.
Awesome 👌🆒️🙌👌
I don't normally agree with old bill, but in this case its a clear breach of the peace, so it is a matter for the police. Also im disabled & except & under the Covid-19 guidelines, if you are exempt then you should have a badge that you can download from the British lung Foundation, or Asthma UKs Website, or you can go to your GP & ask them for proof that u have breathing problems. I keep mine on my phone, so if anyone asks I have it. People say that you have to have it on a lanyard around your neck. No you don't, you just have to have it on you, so if your going into a public building, or using public transport you can show it if your asked to & if you don't have it, or refuse to show it, then the driver can refuse you transport.
It was Arriva's company policy at that time then they discarded the policy because of drivers getting aggro
Seems like the driver just has a valid point. Get off the bus or jus show a card?
And the bus driver isn’t even wearing his mask correctly!!😒
He actually doesn't need one at all because the cab is sealed.
@@Chris-vn2nf No it isn't, there's a slot for payment (even if buses in some areas now only accept cards, that slot is there) and a gap in the side
The fella said he's no breaching the peace, but he is raising his voice. I think he was just being awkward. He could have easily told the bus driver why he was exempt and then maybe, maybe, the driver would have let him travel on the bus.
Mate, I've got autism and it's hard to not rase your voice and become aggressive when done something, and someone else says no, you can't come here or do this, so please be more understanding about autism please.
@@Blue_Blue_Sky2005
I understand autism enough, I have it. I was talking about the fact that he didn't tell the bus driver why he was exempt from wearing a mask. If he had told the driver exactly why he was exempt and the driver still refused to let him sit down, I would have totally been on the fella's side. Someone not being fair with me also brings out my aggressive side as well, especially when I think I've been fair with them.
This man's like a male karen. I don't think he understands that bus drivers are allowed to refuse to let you on. And against a police officer.
Not if you paid your fare they can’t
That bloke is really getting on my nerves. He buts in constantly. I wouldn’t let anyone on my bus if I were a driver throughout Covid. No one was allowed into my business without a mask. Regardless. I wouldn’t want to put myself at risk. He is breaching the peace. The bus driver has given his reasons several times, as to why he won’t take him on the bus.
Feel like an idiot now with all the new evidence?
He said he has autism as a result of his exemption something tells me that's bull💩
You can't get autism during life. You can only be born with it
Sound sensitivity - also known as hyperacusis - is common in autistic people.
Does this gentleman actually suffer from autism?
His behaviour makes me doubt him.
@@Jon-es-i6o Why would that stop you wearing a mask?
The cop says to the bus driver “you don’t need to show any proof” 2 minutes later he says “you didn’t show proof”
In Europe, this guy would been dragged from the bus and arrested.No wonder your city streets are so unsafe at night. Your police force is a complete joke. No guns, no guts,no power. Surely the worst police force in the world
then he could have had them in court for brutality
6.23 "I have autism as a result of my exemption." 😂
Autism is one even on arriva website, but in fact just saying for any reason excempt is fine under law u don't have to show or state proof, why would driver let him on showing a lanyard lol but not let him on ehe says exempt then states later autistic his behaviour was showing his disability both driver and police office must be stupid if they couldn't see that yes he was in little professor autistic mode high pitched and adamant he was right why? Simple he was right he was stating correct info wearing lanyard he would of ptob got on bus but fail to see how it proves anything and therefoe was never a legal requirement
Wrong it is the bus drivers job.
A bus drivers job is to drive a bus in safe manner and to look after their passengers. And whilst covid Is about it's even harder
It is illegal to ask anyone for an exemption card in the UK. The bus driver could have and should have been prosecuted.
well if i was the driver i would have let him on without seeing the card as by law he does not need to see it
Yes DRIVER.
The driver can't even cover his nose properly(!!), yet he's preaching to others about "killing people"!!!
The driver is in a sealed cab.
@@martinhoward9564 Err - no, it's NOT sealed! It's a piece of prespex protecting the driver, & it's NOT creating a vacuum!!!
@@SiLoJayLo let me guess you think blue paper masks are better protection than being inside the cab ?
@@martinhoward9564 Errr - you have no understanding of physics, clearly! The cab is NOT sealed!! Use your brain! If the cab were sealed, the driver would need an oxygen mask to breath!! He CAN'T EVEN BE BOTHERED TO PROPERLY COVER HIS NOSE, IN ADDITION TO HIS MOUTH, WHILE HE'S SUPPOSEDLY ENFORCING COVID-19 POLICY!! A UK COURT WOULD CONVICT THIS DRIVER OF NEGLIGENCE.
@ No they wouldn’t convict him of anything. He’s a bus driver and if he doesn’t want you on the bus, you get off the bus and wait for the next one.
That driver has a point. He don't have any proof. It's simple. In all fairness he should have a lanyard to say he is exempt. He has permission to tell passengers to get off his bus.
The one’s in the wrong always quoting the law..
Nonsense. You do NOT have to provide proof, if you have underlying health conditions, and are not required to wear a mask!
@@SiLoJayLo keep crying mate, bus driver reserves the right to refuse service in a situation like this
@@mumflrpumble9107 sorry no he can't and a complaint to arriva driver would be told no doubt yet again customers don't have to show or prove exemption and that can't be used to refuse travel on any uk travel company or venue or retail establishment which is why very few even try to enforce yws sone do and some cases person is fined but many at court got thrown out as proof of disability or reason for not wearing isn't required under law
@@SiLoJayLo not health any reason of serious discomfort, cabinet office guidance states person says excempt ie not medical excemtion this is all that's required be aware many people have hidden disabilities and reasons for not wearing and those must be respected
@@mumflrpumble9107 like to see him justify himself to his manager after customer services managers have said we have info route so and so at 1545 etc driver refused service despite customer stating excempt why did your driver not know the regulations despite on website and twitter Facebook and all depots being told
It is always a condition of carriage that the bus driver can refuse boarding. It’s his own subjective opinion of what poses a safety risk to himself or other passengers. The legal enforcement of mask wearing involves issuing a fine. He is not trying to do this.
He can't enforce masks the gentleman is covered by law stating excempt, he only has to contact arriva customer service state time and route arriva will contact depot and drivers at depot will be told u can't ask for proof if customer says exempt that all they have to do
A few mask fines got through but most were chucked out at court as no one has to shoe proof any police who tried it on modt were told off by senior officers
If you had a green sunflower lanyard then it would have been fine
I’m not a bus driver my self but it says that a passenger without a face mask can’t get on unless they have a exempt card. If that rule was not in place everyone would say that there exempt and COVID-19 would go bonkers. It’s the law mate
But anyone LITERALLY anyone can get a face mask exemption card, and the government guidelines says it should not be routine to ask for evidence, but if asked for an exemption card counts.
Yeah but what if they lost there card tho???? Im a disabled child and i am legally exempt. But here in Southend on sea the bus drivers still let me on cause they know im disabled
@@Transport4Alex12 It’s a picture on your phone. No physical card needed.
Just get a exempt card, and the driver doesn't have to take you, he is in charge of the bus.
The thing is some people didn’t have to wear masks at the time because of stress problems or breathing problems.
The bus driver is right you need proof that you are exempt unless you won't be allowed on it's the rules follow them. If you don't have proof then they won't let you on.
You AND the bus driver is wrong. You do NOT need proof that you are exempt, according to UK law, nor should you be asked to provide proof of exemption. A company's rules do not outrank the law.
You literally do not know UK law
the bus driver also has the right to tell you to get off. the bus is not a public vehicle
@@cemops8660 ...but the driver does not have to right to discriminate against anyone on the basis of disability though..... (as clearly stated in the Equalities Act 2010) that's the point as well as the law. Do try to think first before you post.
You’re so wrong it’s worrying, read up on the law and stop discriminating
Did you even show an exemption card?
Why? Anywhere in uk any location any ground transport taxis uber train bus or coach, or retail or hospitality or even nhs proof was never required and there wasn't any proof anyway just lanyards badges or screenshot, download or hand written I'm excempt etc no actual proof but none was proof and none was a legal requirement only self id I'm excempt was all that's needed in devolved areas or now tfl London no actual proof
He ain't got one to show...
@@mpol701 Doesn’t matter, you need one with you at all times no matter what or why if you’re exempt.
Full stop.
Yeah. Amazing how many people suddenly developed asthma so as not to wear a face mask during the pandemic. I have COPD but still managed to wear one. Not only for my own protection, but for others.
They may not legally have had to show an exemption card, but, if they genuinely had one, and had feelings for others cares and worries they would show one anyway. Most of them didn't have one to start with and argued the toss rather than pulling together rather than helping each other. Possibly one of the reasons lockdown went on so long.
i have no ailments but do have a disability a learning disability but i could have had an excemption but i tried a mask and found i could have one on comfortably so i wore them i once sat at the back of the bus and because the back of the bus was so warm in summer i felt sick so i moved to another seat and was fine after that but the guy was right you dont have to show excemption card its only to show you dont have to wear one and you only had to say you was excempt thats it and he did that so he should have let him on
Innocent people with disabilities in public shouldn’t have to be treated like that if you have a serious body problem you are aloud to get on a bus without a mask in Covid even if it’s autism but it was really annoying that lady kept getting involved you had 3 people against 1 innocent member on the public getting on the bus home at least he was social distancing at the time honestly this innocent man doesn’t deserve this discrimination.
Officer Right...Driver Wrong..Passenger Wrong.....Driver does not have to carry someone...you have a right of complaint and have to get off......bus companies are very strict with the drivers
i would have taken the guy out of compassion people have no shame these days we need to learn a bit of compassion instead of thinking about yourself
@@nickda1 compassion for who...contaminating the other passengers....most passengers did not want masks because of their own bad breath
@@lushhclub819 are you insinuating he had covid!!!
@@nickda1 bad breath
iv'e never seen anyone kicked off for bad breath @@lushhclub819
Bus drivers have full discretion they can refuse any passenger that doesn’t have the correct fare or any undesirable behaviour
He has autism. As a bus driver myself I would have allowed him travel to limit service disruption, and not all people who are exempt have the card. But ultimately it is up to the driver and probably best to accept the refusal of travel and get on another bus. But even allowing travel for someone without a mask can cause other passengers to complain. And on occasions passengers would remove the mask when seated, but that is out of our hands. Fortunately our company policy prohibited drivers from wearing masks due to safety issues, since wearing a face mask can restrict breathing. But I can see why drivers who are forced to wear a mask would dislike carrying passengers who would ignore it. I'm just glad face coverings on public transport has been dropped, with the exemption of TFL.
Muppet alert!
At the end of the day, he doesn’t make the rules. He is merely an enforcer of them. You are giving trouble to the wrong person.
Just like the nazi's.
@@davidlouis2354 No, not at all. I think the German people had it much worse than us, petal.
@@jamesedleymusic It ain't over yet petal blossom. Wait till the full numbers are in. Fauci will make Hitler look like an ameteur. BTW remember the brown shirts.
@@davidlouis2354 Vague, ominous statements don’t make you sound that smart.
@@jamesedleymusic Yes, as vague as fog. Just wait till the numbers are finally in. Then you can wonder how smart I am. END OF THREAD, PETAL.
I have had many problems with this particular bus company. Its people who are not genuine who say that they may be exempt from wearing a mask when actually they might not be, from the drivers point of view I kind of understand but at the same time he is not paid to police passengers that is not his job his job is to drive the bus and get people to where they need to be safely. It’s people who fake being exempt or fake needing help that they actually might not need that puts people who are genuinely exempt and who are genuinely in need of help in a difficult position
The person has even stated there excemptions 3ven 5hough he does not have to he is autistic and no doubt like me sensory issues, oxygen issues and more under law he only had to state he's exempt he was correct police and driver wasnt if driver and police had bothered to contact customer service they would of been informed no proof needed driver u have to take this person as most como2ar3 fully aware which is why they and retailers don't challenge as no point when we had face mask legislation, which stopped July anyway then excempt in all 4 parts of uk is self excempt, state your excempt and no one can ask u why ot ask u to show proof
As for genuine or not there's no such thing, when exemptions came in health minister stated excempt status could be someone who really find a mask difficult to wear, they don't have to have a recognised disability or prove such
another issue is that in them refusing puts others on the bus at risk I drive all day long and on busy days can take well over 400 people and every one not wearing a mask increases my risk of catching it and needing to take 10 days of unpaid leave (ssp)
a lot of gobby shits can't be arsed to wear one and i (not often) refuse travel, I am aloud to refuse travel and I don't have to give a reason, I can just say I don't like that person, I see loads of people with exemptions and have no issue with them but the ones that try to start shit with me I don't tolerate it and you get a feel for them immediately.
Not being 'genuine' is irrelevant. I'm exempt and immune to bullshit. Get over yourself.
@@Legofodawin 2 months ago and you're still paranoid, even after the Christmas parties proved the MPs knew there was nothing to worry about? Sheesh, don't have a job around strangers. "You get a feel for them" - nah, you just judge people for nothing and unlawfully discriminate. No wonder more people are learning to drive.
Stick to getting your buses running on time, I say this as I stand here with my bus a no show!!!
He is such trouble using his disability as excuses
Despite him being totally correct and legal? Funny views u have on this
We disabled don't have to put up with disability hate from twats like u
@@mpol701 imagine you are driver of bus someone make video without your consent put on RUclips how you feel put yourself on other shoes
BTW same applies to u, look asshole he doesn't have to wear a face mask at the time and to this day, as said hopefully the guy complained to arriva and got the guy sacked
i believe him i have seen some of his videos and he is Autistic
Get of the bus and Contact the bus company
Bus driver is a melt
He can refuse..
But not for being exempt.
@@FateBoost yeah but also, you need proof that you are exempt..
@@DylansBusSpottingVideos I’ve just checked gov.uk (10 minutes ago) and it says:
If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering:
- you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this
- you do not need to show an exemption card
@@FateBoost it’s fake
This is what’s wrong with society, police who don’t know the law(or how to spell) and public workers who don’t know customer service and normal morals for human decency
What, the bus driver has no proof hes exempt so what
The person recording this was completely in the wrong. A bus driver can refuse service to anyone for any reason. He shouldve just got off the bus
Hhhhhhhhhh police man was like an angel to him you know if this happened in another country what can a police officer do with this man hhhhhhhhhhhh really he had a nice attitude
Erm, the copper did know the law, I think it's you that is confused.
Bus drives can refuse any one for any reason under condition of carriage, they do not need to provide any reason.
Since when did bus companies offer a free service to people without a valid Disability Freedom Pass as evidence of identity?. The bus driver was correct, and the policeman was correct regarding breach of the peace, the fact that he got off the bus resisting arrest proved the point that he was in the wrong.
All it takes is for this dude to ware a sunflower lanyard with an exempt card from his doctor 🙄 so many people saying they exempt with just a sunflower lanyard, the cop should have just fined this dude for not wareing a mask and let him go to court and prove it to a judge 🙄
That's not the point. The Sunflower Lanyard is irrelevant. There is NO Law that REQUIRES you to prove any (Ability or) Disability.
@@MrFriskyWhiskey your absolutely right, the police should just fine any selfish moron not wareing a face mask and let them cry to the County courts
@@tbob9991 'Selfish' for not wearing a mask? Lol. The Courts have ruled the issuance of the Fines are Unlawful and thus Unenforceable. If that is not BULLYING and INTIMIDATION, I don't know what is. Knowing your rights is a beautiful thing. I recommend you read up on Common Law. You might just need rely on them one day: 'He who does not know his rights, has none.'
@@MrFriskyWhiskey wareing a face covering protects the vulnerable, it doesn't matter what I or you or any one says, at the end of the day it's mandatory to ware a mask o the bus, if the driver don't want you o the bus they are with in there right to refuse you
The driver's mask isn't covering HIS nose so he is breaking the rules.
That would be true kind of if he had left the cab but most companies fully sealed the cabs at one point or the other you can see this cab has been fully sealed up around the front to where the doors actually are on this one it's just one of them things in a way the driver has his own point because it's him who is keeping everyone safe but at the end of the day all the driver would have to do is ask politely to open a window and let some air on the bus or give him a note/transfer ticket to get the next bus.. I Think with all these videos allot of it is left out so you don't get both sides of the story 😊
@@user-PK-23 yeah
thing is you couldn't seal them there needed to be a gap so people could pay@@user-PK-23
That’s so mean to keep that old lady from getting home 😞
She was very abuse to a Autistic person who had Potially caused to have an Autistum meltdown it's lack of Training and Knowadge from the driver and Policeman that may put a Vonrable person in harms way as when meltdown happen senses can be impaired that driver old lady and Policeman could cause that person to have a serous accident.
It is the passenger who is in the wrong!
No he was not in the wrong he did not have to show it i suggest you read what the rules were if i was you
This is a common problem, these people will only do this when the bus is almost empty. Try doing that at rush hour, people will kick him off..
Then customers will be able to contact police and customer services and seek support probably police won't care but can assure u bus companies will there were cases of public attacking verbally non mask wearers and complaints were taken very seriously and passed to. Police stating we have customers who can't wear masks they don't have to identify to anyone and other customers must respect this or could be in trouble
I. Meant customer stating excempt provided he's stated or she excempt they then have protection by very least customer services of the large companies transport shops but modt small shops and transport companies as well in all most hqve been very good to those stating excempt but individual issues do occur
People who film in portrait mode shouldn't be allowed to travel on public transport anyway.
Wouldn't it of been easier if you just get an exemption card and it stops all of this agro for everyone. Simple little card. Job done.
yeah, wear your yellow star, you don't need a eemption card, the law says you don't have to have one. The driver is 100% acting unlawfuly and should grow the fuck up
Just had a quick read up on the government website and you don't need to show an exemption card however, you may feel more comfortable to show an exemption card for added reassurance to the driver or anyone else for not needing to wear a facemask. As long as you've given a valid reason, you should be allowed
You don't need to "explain" yourself.
You are - and I'll put this as unambiguously as I can - FULLY ENTITLED to ride on a bus, unmasked, without explanation.
Exemptions are *PRIVATE* - that's where the explanation begins and ends.
You are no longer legally required to wear a face covering in any setting. Therefore you do not need to rely on an exemption if you need one.
However, you may feel more comfortable if you can show something to reflect that you’re not able to wear a face covering. For example, in circumstances where the government recommends and expects you to continue to wear face coverings such as in crowded and enclosed spaces like public transport.
If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering you do not need to show:
any written evidence of this
an exemption card
This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering.
However, some people may feel more comfortable if they are able to show something that explains why they’re not wearing a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign.
Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law.
Slight change but basically from day one of face masks excempt status was self decided and no proof was ever needed, u could just say excempt or write on ppaper or a lanyard totally upto person service can't be denied anyone denied was denied illegally
@@mpol701 I have to wear a facemask when using public transport and entering a shop.
@@letsdiscussitoversometea8479 "Entitled" no. Nobody is "entitled" to ride a bus, in the same way that nobody is "entitled" to drive a car. It's one of those things that has set rules and terms, in the case of a bus they expect you to act amicably on board and not be abusive or disruptive or endanger other passengers, not to smoke on a bus, etc. The driver can refuse you travel, ultimately although it's a TFL service the buses are owned privately by private companies such as StageCoach, GoAhead Group, Arriva, Metrobus, etc, all of whom will have their own differing internal policies, and it's down to their drivers whether they permit travel to someone or not.
TFL can suggest and give guidance but ultimately any bus driver can refuse travel to someone as they're the operating firm, not TFL.