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AMDs First Graphics Card....The 2900XT in 2018
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- Опубликовано: 8 дек 2018
- Hello and Welcome to another Budget Builds Official video where today we'll be taking a look at the AMD Radeon 2900XT, in a video thay has taken me quite the while to get out. So join us as we see if AMDs first official GPU (No not the first one with their brand thats that was a later HDXXXX Series GPU, but the first release under their companies control)
Find out a little about the card, how it holds up today, and just what exactly went wrong against the fabled 8800GT...Is it a good Budget option, was it ever a good option. Lets find out.
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Specs:
CPU: Ryzen 5 1600
RAM: 16GB DDR4 2666Mhz
GPU: AMD Radeon 2900XT
(Tested on both Windows 7 and Windows 10, AMD Catalyst Variants upto 13 Tested for instable titles)
(Poor Camera Quality is due to my Camera being Unavailable, so the full video was shot on mobile phone)
F2F Techs Awesome 2900XTX Coverage: • ATI's Forsaken Flagshi...
Little known fact: The flame decals on the card increase your PC's overall performance by 20%!
Ultimate power? :O
@E.LA.O 45.00013% get it right you uncultured swine.
I miss BFG's box art. It was one of the main reasons I chose that brand. Their font spelling out "Lifetime Warranty" really drew me to them haha :D
Also makes it 20% cooler!
All it needs now is RGB
unique features :
-flame cover decal
Those flame decals make a man want to do rebellious activities
I got banned from his discord, apparently Hamish is really sensitive about his fingernails.
Golden Gibus what’s wrong with his nails? Lol.
As i am now crippeled for next 5 months or so, i will dedicate my time making drivers for old ATI cards, i might actualy make a website for that
Just make sure to relax during Christmas!
BoomWithPeter Got a twitter?
Wat happen
Did you end up doing it?
@@blopplop1568 is windows vista and on guru3d. look up guru3d modified amd gpu drivers. youll probably have to find a go to new site button as well and navigate to modified videocard drivers
The 8800 GTX, and its many off springs, was very difficult to compete with. I do remember getting a 4850 a bit later, that card was really good value.
@Dalle Smalhals
No I think it's a Pentium® 4 channel
@PhilsComputerLab
the hd4870 was only 15-25% slower than the gtx 280, while costing 2.15x times less and consuming less power too and having 2.2-2.4x times smaller die size.
Phils i own Asus reference pcb 4850 512mb /Works fine at 70°C idle
The problem with competing with the 8800s were how hard Nvidia pushed that series. That was about as powerful a GPU Nvidia could possibly make with that architecture. This was a GPU nearly impossible to compete with within that gen. ATI had moved power consumption up in the generation prior and what would be accepted at the time was up in the air. The HD3870 was a much better card since its power consumption and clock speeds were a lot better.
hd4850 was a great card for its price back in 2009.
I calculated most of it out... you've spent closer to $1300 US this past year on computer junk for your channel. I love the dedication you have to your craft. Thank you for putting in the money, time, and effort to make this content. We all enjoy it so much. :)
He made all his money back with youtube and patreon like a jew he is, so it doesnt really matter for him.
Awesome video 👏 I believe the 1803 update is the real issue with W10. Ever since I’ve installed it my 2900 XT has been nothing but problematic. Glad you installed Windows 7 to get Fortnite working. Oh yeah and thanks for the shoutout! 🤟
Oddly enough I deliberately avoided 1803 when testing this GPU, I was on a 17XX Update, and it was definitely Stabler than 1803, but gaming performance was the same regardless of Windows 10 17XX or Windows 7, just more games ended up working on Windows 7 mostly.
Budget-Builds Official Interesting. Like you said, Windows 7 is just a much more stable experience on these cards. Sniper Elite 3 will constantly BSOD on Windows 10 1803. Most newer games will run the same on both Operating systems, but I noticed in some older titles that Windows 7 does exhibit better performance when using older drivers that are officially supported. Frame times are still pretty bad though.
👏Videocard 👏 review (?)
Oddly enough I didn't see much of a performance increase from dropping from Windows 10 to 7.
The largest difference was GTA V although even then it was a case of single digit FPS (The game could hit 30-40Fps in 720p Regardless of using Windows 7 or 10) but given the awful frametimes it bought down the average massively.
It'd be interesting to go through and test from Vista through to Windows 10, and see just which OS is optimal for a GPU like this.
I would have gone through that myself, but unfortunately after loosing the video once, I think it'd be better suited to it's own video.
same with my asus ares 5879x2 from what ive read its uefi bio's directx11 and below have legasy bios enen the newer boards have problems with them but the 1803 does'nt support these cards have issuses amd drivers disappearing and random black screens on start up on my b450 motherboard can choose dual boot legasy and uefi it helps but any driver from amd besoide 15.7 and all hell breaks loose but after few wks problems corrupt and have to reinstall windows
Fellas I know this video may have a few quirks, this is because:
1. I did not have access to my camera, and most of this video was shot on a phone.
2. My Windows 10 Install died, taking away my project files and some B-Roll
3. Due to the project file mis-matching there were issues with the rendering, which is mostly fixed.
I hope you enjoy, as the video was quite the project.
Impressive video for all your limitations with it! :D
And you failed to remove two screws from the I/O bracket and therefore couldn't remove the cooler from the PCB.
@@detmer87 Congratulations on watching the video, the screws were bored, and therefore couldnt be removed....I mention this twice.
Liiinux tiiiiiime :dab:
@@eightmegsandconstantlyswap8862 Yeeeeeeee!
As an epic gamer, I thoroughly enjoyed this video. Also pro gamer tip: Flames = 5GHZ
The inclusion of the Athlon II GE really puts things in perspective. That little integrated GPU has some really impressive performance compared to older flagship products.
This was very well made. This channel NEVER lets me down quality-wise.
Pentium D inside
I'm gonna be honest, the fact this 12 year old card ran these games in any way is pretty impressive.
Are the flames a stylistic choice or foreshadowing?
Hahaha, smartass ;P
both
both
This video gets 9 APUs out of 10.
Vega 8 out of 11?
My favorite card of all time! I still have the 1GB variant, but I think it may have issues. ATI had a habit of creating cards that awakened further down the road, as games began to support their features, like the 1800XT. So it's if no surprise the 2900 XT does better down than when first reviewed.
This card lives or dies by its driver. It's definitely one I've had to fiddle around with multiple Catalyst versions just to get it to where it's expected to be, eventually settling on 11.1. It's a bit of a janky architecture that depends a great deal on its software support to get any sort of efficiency out of it.
Very well said actually. Probably one of the worst aging architectures in recent years because of this.
The performance isn't bad, it's just crippled so much by the instability, and varying issues that newer (or older) drivers can cause.
I tend to opt for the Catalyst 10.X Series for a lot of older titles, it tended to help with frametimes ever so slightly.
Cheers for stopping by the channel.
Discord is way faster than RUclips notifications.
Agreed
Even a messenger pigeon is way faster
Minecraft a game that could literally be powered by a potato.
CyphaBorg not so much anymore.
the very first time you get it, yes but then every version you get after that just makes the game chug progressively more until you have to render 4 chunks and everything on low
lRaziel1 specs contribute too, but from personal experience that tends to be how mc is after a coiple downloaded versions
Well unless you do the TNT test.
Back in 2013, I played minecraft at 30fps using my dad’s old windows vista laptop on very low settings
Mmmm OpenTTD music.
as soon as i saw that this video existed, i knew my evening was about to get a lot better
@@danwhitear2440 ...
@@danwhitear2440 ..
Some say there's one man who can save budget gaming. Budget-Builds official.
i found this card in goodwill....
I remember when crossfired 2900XT’s and an OC’d Q6600 were part of my dream Crysis PC.
I also remember having to settle for an 8600GT and Athlon X2 7850BE. Simpler times.
I have one dead serious question, did you blow up at least ONE TNT during the Minecraft benchmark?
That's a CPU benchmark though.
After watching your videos for a while I finally decided to build my own PC. Thank you for giving me some much needed knowledge on how something's work.
I really appreciate the amount of work you put into these videos.
A definite cut above a lot of channels comparatively.
Was happy to see the Nvidia GT610 in the benchmarks lol. That was my first GPU, and I was stuck with it up to 2017. I loved it so much, and still do.
I got Fortnite runinng on a nividia Geforce 8400 gs with 256mb ddr2 vram😂 It's not really playable but its running stable with 7-10 fps.
hmm that has me hpeful for a 8600gts!
But why?
Achirag Chirag Just for fun and by the way on an core 2 duo
The 8400 gs is garbage.
EvilTurkeySlices Yes
Damn DVI molex screws anyway. Love seeing testing like this, that card just looks cool. Great vid.
Actually really loved this card. I bought two of them and crossfired them back in the day, still have them both boxed away in my shed in perfect condition. They were fantastic with Team Fortress 2, which I played basically all day every day haha. I really wanted to just get the XTX card but it was way too pricey and almost impossible to find even back then... I'd love to try and find one today to buy and play with and ultimately put it on the shelf of pride when I finish building it lol. I've kept pretty much every single GPU I ever bought, going back to my GeForce 256, TNT2 M64, god knows what else. I miss the wild west days of the GPU wars, god what a time that was. Awesome video, thanks for the blast of nostalgia!!
The flames give it a style that makes it look like the GPU of choice for Pro Wrestlers and energy drink enthusiasts everywhere.
Ahhhh the 8800 GTS. My first graphics card. It was amazing. Good memories
Yeah, this remembers me of my old 8800 GTS from XFX (back when XFX was on the green side and had a weird dog as mascot). It had amazing performance, loved it
Came here from EposVox's channel - I am very interested in what you have to offer. Awesome work!
I can tell you from direct experience what a person who bought it at launch, reserved preorder actually, thought about it. It was shit.
That was my conclusion and largely my take on Dx10 for quite some time after. A pair of 7950Gx2's were about the same price about when I bought them not that long after, and were for all intents and purposes faster.
Nice to see the xt branding is still around
Shame you couldn't get killing floor working, but cheers for the mention
The fact it can play games at all is amazing . I think my voodoo 3 was only useful for 4 years and the last year it was a bad card .
I have a high end pc, yet I still love watching videos like this, what is wrong with me?
Everything. But, is there anything wrong with having everything wrong with you?
Gotta love the Transport Tycoon music in the background
Honestly Hamish this is one of the best video I've seen in awhile on youtube, I really liked it how you brief history on the card and explained it also I can tell how much hard work has went into this video with the multiple benchmarks and I think that what makes Budget Builds Budget Builds unlikely "I get fake benchmarks" but again man great video keep it up p.s bird in the background is the show stealer
8:25 i was expecting the "someting is not responding" box.
I still have two of those puppies laying around. And the 4870 that replaced them. Man those things are hot, loud and hungry!
I think I got a really good value for my PC. I bought an i3 7350K off a Spanish market used for only £40, 16GB DDR4 2400 dual channel RAM refurbished from a PC repair store for £50 ish, Paired with 2 GTX 780Tis in SLI which I got off craigslist for only £100 from a guy who had no clue what he was selling. And my friend had an old PC which he wanted to upgrade completely, So he gave me a case, 850W Great Wall 80+ silver power supply and a Z270 asus motherboard for free.
And for the storage, I found this really dodgy off brand SSD called “Calensharia” with an unusual 375GB capacity for only £20
I remember lusting after the 8000 series. Never got one.
To this day, that’s the reason now that I always get the big bad boy graphics card anytime I replace a graphics card. Nothing less than a xx80.
I know the pain of watching you struggle with that cooler! There is a cheeky little screw on the bracket near the DVI ports!
Unfortunately the screws were bored.
“-as there’s a lot we-else we could discuss” 3:54 really threw me off.
Aww damn, i remember that card. You can't forget those tribal flames and the jet engine of a sound that fan produced 😃
Those songs... Shigeo Sekito. Mass respect! Great Video!
Thanks for the look at this graphics card, ok-ish for some nostalgia and would beat iGPUs of the time but not really that great in 2018...
And I agree Windows 7 is a much better operating system; windows 10 gets more bloated with every update and just gets in the way. I'll still be keeping a copy of Windows 7 even after support has ended in 2020.
Crysis was actually designed around lower FPSs like 24-30 FPS. It had a motion blur effect to compensate
Great trip down memory lane.
Struggled to read the left hand legends on the graphs though unfortunately. White text on the dark background might work better for those of us with sight issues :)
Will correct them soon as new idea
you should do a vid on the hd5450, ive used it for about a month and honestly, older games run well , very playable
It's a shame how poor Terascale's driver support is, with some GCN style loving it could be a kickass arch today.
wait, 15fps in gta V... on a card from 2006?
that's amazing...
amazing how well optimized GTAV is
love the openttd music
opening*
Funny I had no problem running Crysis in 1080p on the 2900XT but then I had a 6-core CPU and 16GB of Ram at the time. Not sure why you had performance issues at 1080p.
Fantastic video. I bet will run good on an XP machine :)
What about a vista
Oh my God! This reminisce me of old times that I used to own an HD 4890... It was rocking by that time!!!
Dude, you're lucky,my first gpu was a 4550HD, and I hate that card
It was always interesting to me that ATI was a year ahead of the game to unified shaders in the Xbox 360 GPU, which was regarded very well. But they came in late and underwhelming to the same technology on the PC side. I think the buyout threw off their cadence for a while there.
My HD 2900XT was released under the ATI name and so was my HD 4870X2s. The first cards released under the AMD Name was the HD 6000 series in 2010.
See description.
I kinda miss the old GPU designs. I mean look at this! This is what peak performance looks like :D
I don't know, Sapphire has some pretty slick GPU designs today.
Finally putting to rest my i5/sli680 build after going on 7 years. Served me well, but it's time.
Maybe switch to a smaller case and make it an emulation machine for the loving room.
The loving room? Do tell more...
@@DerpySnake you don't want to go down that rabbit hole .... trust me.
The 8000 series from Nvidia is very iconic, but in my opinion the most iconic gpu series in history is the HD 7000 series from AMD.
I still use an AMD R9 290, in an ASUS flavor. My TV is 1080p 60Hz, so it does fine for what I play. It does struggle with higher than 1080p, however. The 290 was released in late 2013, and my specific card was early 2014. I bought mine in November 2014 for Cyber Monday. So I have had it over 4 years now.
DustyTheDog I had a sapphire 6870 up until last summer. Amd fine wine!
Hate it when something commits sudoku, its such an addictive past time.
it's*
I had that thing.....it was a massive pain in the ass at the time tbh. I wanted so bad to like it, but it was a clunker. Upgraded to a pair of 3850's later and it was a world of difference, even with the dodgy crossfire bs.
i did a presentation of how a computer works 10 years ago in 6th grade and this is the gpu i chose to include a pic of in my ppt. for flaming obvious reasons
also made the image spin like crazy
Ok, now that's epic.
10/10 papi hamish 👍 cya in BBOP 😘
what's more surprising is the fact it came out just 2 weeks after Nvidia's 8800 Ultra, was more powerful than it and costed less than half the price
I adore the tacky flames on the cooler. It's so 2007 it hurts.
Ah yes, the golden age of casemods when the cool kids had a PC case with a huge window in it to show of the sort of neat cable routing and a dozen colored cathode lights.
This is seriously better than my gpu other than the API support and power consumption
I have a 2900 XT with GDDR3 standing in my room. These flames are just awesome :D
AMD knew the card would not be competitive, and priced it accordingly. Upon release they basically said "It is what it is". And they set expectations accordingly. They needed the 3800 series to really be competitive. Bad drivers though are the story of ATI's life. And their lack of investment in software really does hurt them.
I very briefly owned a pair of Sapphire HD 2900GT's (cut down 2900XTs) until I found out the hard way that only the bundled drivers supported Crossfire and I needed updated drivers out of the box for fixes for some of my games. I quickly dumped them for a pair HD 3870s before finally settling on a pair of HD 4850s. I kept one of my HD 4850's around for 6 years - that was a solid card.
BTW: Not sure if was different elsewhere but at least in North America, while 2900XT was the first post-AMD buyout Radeon card released, AMD continued to use the ATI branding up until the end of the HD 5000 series, with 2010's HD 6000 series being the first 'AMD Radeon' branded card.
Anything is better with flame decals on it. Great video! :D
So if my tablet suck in emulation and i want to make it faster i should stick flames to it?
(I know its sarcasm)
Well, a good tip to benchmarking fortnite, as i know Save the world is not free, i found it real interesting that Save the world performs greatly than battle royale, my current graphics card is GT 610, and i got an Intel i5-2500K, and i also got 8gb ram DDR3 800mHz. I have to play at a window 1024 x 720 70% render scale to get playable 30-60 fps in battle royale, but save the world, 1280x720 full screen 100% render scale ( i got 1080p monitor so 16:9) and i get 40-60fps. This may have an impact on how Fortnite is benchmarked, so you might want to take this aspect, as most people know, Save the world is free in 2019, i dont know when exactly. But many people are excited to play Save the world and they dont know if their computer is capable of playing on it.
This first AMD branded card versus the first AMD branded APU might be a compelling story.
I had an ATI 1650 XT, that I sold and picked up an "HD 2900 XT" when it came out - had always stuck to AMD until the 1070 i'm on now (purchased back in Feb 2017 just before the mining craze)
I had this card on an XP machine and it ran some of those games way better than you're running them on Windows 10.The XP drivers must have been a lot better.
Funny because around 2007-8, while playing Combat Evolved, (while I don't remember the exact models of both cards) I switched from an NVIDIA card (8000-7000 something?) to an ATI/AMD one (2000 something?), and the ATI one was significantly better. And that was with Vista installed I think.
Hello Budget Builds Official, great video despite your limitations!
Just one thing though, the DiRT3 results (which I presume were done with the DX9 rendered since the card had no DX11 support) seem a bit lower than I would expect though. I had a ATI Mobility Radeon 4670 which had the same shader core count (320) paired with a Core 2 Duo T9550 laptop and managed to get 60 FPS constant with much higher settings at 900p for DiRT3. Could be a Windows 10 driver issue though, I was running the game with Catalyst 11.11a performance drivers on Windows 7 x64 SP1 and the Legacy Drivers are known to have degraded performance even compared to the earlier drivers.
you never fail to entertain. Love the channel. just wish they were abit more frequent
Please see pinned comment. Also if you want to support the channel please do consider Patreon, as it would help fund new videos
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial will do 😁
The drivers are fine. You can't expect the drivers to support games that did not exist until after there last driver release. Terascale needs driver optimization to work correctly.
You keep knocking on about awful drivers... I'm wondering how it'd run under Linux, as the open source radeon driver supports it and is still being actively developed. Given how much of Steam's library is available on Linux now through SteamPlay, might be worth including it in your benchmarking? :) (from personal experience, I can say that some games, like Saints Row 2, run significantly better on Linux than they ever did on Windows.)
Thats a topic ive wanted to touch on for a long time.
The open source drivers work well enough but lack video decoding- at least I wasn't able to get it working. Games performance was OK using Wine though!
Budget-Builds Official I'd be curious as to what your experience would be but I think the game library would be severely cut down.
@@noth606 It is and isn't. There's a great many games that were only ever released for Windows, but through the SteamPlay/Proton library, many of them work on Linux with zero configuration. Basically anything that uses DirectX 10 or earlier is pretty much assured of working through SteamPlay, though most of it hasn't been whitelisted because the platform's only actually been available for a couple of months yet. You can still run other games, but you need to go into your Steam settings and explicitly tell it to enable the library for everything (as of this writing, there's about 130 games in Steam's library that are officially whitelisted/guaranteed to work, but I've used dozens of games not on the whitelist without problem). Anything on DX11 or DX12 is a coin toss but newer programs that can use Vulkan instead of DirectX will work pretty much out of the box - the whole thing works by translating DirectX to Vulkan, which is supported natively on Linux. Everybody's experience is different, but for what it's worth enough of my Steam library just worked that I was able to totally ditch Windows without feeling like I was sacrificing anything.
That said, the one thing that might throw a kink in the works is that games with ornery copy protection/anti-cheat mechanisms can simply fail to run on Linux, or worse, pick up a false positive and get you banned. PubG is one such game.
Did you unscrew those 4 at DVI port? Looks like thats the reason cooler wont come off, there is one screw fastened from the other side that keeps the I-O plate in place.
As said the screws were bored
Holy crap, that Fortnite footage was epic. Dave Lee would be proud!
And now we're all waiting for the RX 6900 XT
I had the cheaper 2900 pro edition which could be unlocked to a XT presenting good value. Was ok paired with the Q6600 system I had at the time could play Crisis and Bioshock two of my favourites back then.
One of my dreamcards, and still being for a retro gaming machine :D
I loved this card for doom 3!! Obviously not the best card, but it sure as shit worked.
Great video mate!
Cheers man
Who else noticed the poundland cleaning kit?
I had the ATI HD 2600 XT 256mb! looked the same, with flames and all
Everyone mentions the 8,000 series, yet here’s this dusty 9800GT that no longer works not getting its worship that I took out from my garage and have set up for decoration as a legacy item.
When this card still beats your integrated graphics chip by about 10 times. :'(
FLAMES OF LOVE
I hear the Sim City 3000 theme song in the background :)
The sims music is so nice!
Kinda miss the videos. Kinda want some more... Also kinda hoping he's just on a break for a project or something..... Kinda miss him ........ No homo......
No homo
No homo