Is This the WORST Alcohol Stove Design? Is It DANGEROUS? - Vargo Decagon
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- For many years I have wanted to check out the Vargo Decagon Alcohol Stove and recently I picked one up on eBay for around $15. Let's just say it bluntly...I don't like this stove. And, it can be dangerous...let's check it out.
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Thanks for the video Doc. I'm a 61 year old guy and I get excited to see the notification for your stove and coffee videos. I'm not sure what that says about me.
I have several alcohol stoves and they work ok. I live in the Western US and taking a chance of spilling fuel and burning half of the state is not a chance I am willing to take. I use a multi fuel Optimus Polaris stove when camping. I wouldn't use the one in the video even if I were going to use an alcohol burner. You may have made an error filling the first couple of times but, that goes to show how easy it is to have problems. Especially while on the trail when tired or in bad weather.
Again, thanks for the videos,
Sean
I'm 37, does that say anything about me? :D
A stove that has to compete with a cut up soda can has no business being that bad
To be fair, not many of these alcohol burners can compete with a good can stove. Nobody likes to admit that, tho.
I have a couple of thoughts about the stove..
The integrated pot stand is a nice idea but it’s kind of narrow for a large pot. Even though the burner has a wide flange base if a larger pot is not centered it could be unstable. The amount of fuel the stove takes is more in line with what would be needed for a larger pot. It doesn’t make sense to have a burner that takes that amount of fuel and not be wide enough to safely accommodate a pot of the appropriate size. Maybe it would be better if the body was shorter so an ounce or an ounce and a half would fill it to the necessary level.
I use a solo burner (Trangia style) and I like the fact that it can be capped and packed with any remaining fuel. There is always a small amount of fuel left in an open burner after pouring out the excess. The choice is to put it away and hope it doesn’t cause a problem or wait until it evaporates.
Stove seems to be a waste of titanium.
Would be the perfect gift for my mother in law 😁
What a wonderfully evil thought!
Obviously, filling up to top will result in expansion of the alcohol. 2 oz was too much as you identified. I use 1 oz with no problem. I do intentionally a
“Spill” a little to heat the exterior and it blooms very fast.
One word. Trangia. Never bettered. Anything that deviates from that format is just trying to look different for the sake of sales rather than accepting that the right design was pretty much nailed in the 1950s.
Totally agree - There's actually not a whole lot of science around the gasification of wick'd ethanol other than flashpoint, ambient air temperature and pressure inside and outside the wicking area... The science was pretty much settled in the 1800's, long before the invention of the Trangia burner.
This.
It's not the lightest, or the most fuel efficient, but when you take a big picture view of things rather than one facet in isolation it is the best, most versatile alcohol stove available.
I had one of these useless stoves from around 7 years ago and I found exactly what you did. In fact the shop that sold it to me said you can hold your pot over the flame while it primes until it blooms... well F that! It was almost useless outside in the slightest breeze and a windscreen around it.
I ended up pricking the holes about 3 times bigger and also wired a flat wick around the outside. THEN I got fast primes and boil times.
I still had the problem of getting unused fuel back in the bottle and putting the flame out. I solved this by taking a small cheap tin cup...About 200ml that I got with a camp cook set I'd never use...plonked the cup over it to put it out then upended the whole lot so it drained into the cup...then poured it back in the bottle....such a fuss 😒
All in all...poor performance and way too much fuss. I swapped to an evernew and cross stand which I could use with far less fuel and was easier to empty. In fact I rarely had to put it out and empty it unless in emergency
I ended up junking it for a better stove as it was too much hassle.
I ended up wrapping fiberglass wicking around it so i could do an external prime. It helps a ton. Still better making a fancyfeast. The best i have tried
Good idea Ron. I've used carbon felt to achieve quicker blooming with mixed results.
Every Vargo stove I've owned has been exceptionally well built, but exceptionally poorly designed. None of them have worked well, but they are nice to look at.
Hey, i actually have that stove, as well as the triad. I know there was a recall on the earlier decagon model, but I’m not sure what the change was. When i use mine, i don’t fill completely to the top, just up to where it sits slightly higher than the inner hole. Maybe give that a shot, and see how that works for you. I’ve actually found it fairly easy to blow out, and if you use the edge of the base, it makes a good “spout” to reclaim unused alcohol, back into your storage container. I can take a short video, or snap a pic if that doesn’t make sense the way I’m explaining. Thanks for your videos!
It makes you wonder what testing if any was done before the decision was made to manufacture it. Takes too long to bloom, too much fuel, too much flame in the wrong places and too much money for all of those problems. My 15 year old tuna and soda can stove works better. Nice vid. Thanks for the warning.
First question: Could they mean to fill the _internal chamber_ completely, up to the level of the hole in the center? Don't fill the dish shaped cavity in the top. I think it needs to have headspace between the jets and the surface of the fuel. That's about 1 1/2 oz., from watching what you put in. That's why it didn't spurt all over the second time -- you didn't fill the top cavity that time, or not as high. That means that when the alcohol vapors rise to the jets, there's air space and the vapor doesn't shove fuel out the jets because of a lack of headspace.
Second question: Can you find a small, flat tin or pan a little bigger than the base and about half an inch high? Try setting the stove in that pan, put only one ounce of fuel in the stove, but put about 10ml in the pan at the base? Try lighting the pan at the bottom first. Flames will rise up the sides and heat the stove up more effectively, so vapor forms and comes out of the jets. The priming pan flames will ignite the stove as the vapors get stronger. Don't light the center well of the stove unless the priming pan goes out and the stove hasn't primed or ignited. I think the reason priming is so slow is because most of the heat is going UP. So the stove itself barely gets hot, as the flame is almost entirely over the top of the stove. The priming pan allows the walls of the stove to get heated directly.
Open bathtub stoves generally have a deep, wide top funnel or cavity. The flames are down far enough inside to heat the metal of the stove and boil the fuel under the jets. With this stove, that little divot at the top isn't deep enough to do that, so the heat all goes up and gets the stove barely warm. You need all that fuel to shorten the head space so the vapors will fill it with enough pressure to get out of the jets in a high enough concentration to burn. Too big a headspace, and the stove can't get hot enough to get the vapor pressure up high enough. Hence the external priming pan. I'd be curious how that works.
15:11 maybe in the one-ounce fill configuration, (Like you've demonstrated before) to get it to rapidly blossom, tie a cotton rope, string, or rag, around the lower part of the can, spill some fuel on the primer rope-string-or rag ignite it and place the pot on top, and wait for a bloom! you'd be using the primer heat to heat both the pot (not wasting fuel) and priming the stove!
I know you don't like me because I think outside the box, which "Down Arkansaw, they don't like" but something useful may still be learned!!!
If on a tipped surface, "Don't over-fill" that is, don't fill so much as to cover the lowest pilot hole. Maybe with the rope string or rag wrapped around the bottom of the stove to capture some of the overspill, with a pot on top, ya might get that overflow spill to prime the bloom?
As the stove specialist, I think it is your job, not just to show the weak mode of operation, but to get the best and strongest performance possible, even in a lesser mode. Sometime ya need to make the best ya can with what ya got, not just take and accept a fail as the total performance of a device. It's like with a child that's not performing well, sometimes ya need to work with them, to help them to build better performance. Sometimes an object or a particular lack of understanding prevents their bloom, and ya help them past that, and suddenly they understand, and ya can't hold them back, they just move forward like crazy, and really motivated. I've seen it, I've done it, and so can you. Give it a try and see, and don't give up. The rewards can be tremendous.
Regards!
hi ernie, you can shorten the priming time significantly and not have to fill it up if you use a doughnut of carbon felt around the base of the stove. just drop some alcohol onto the felt when you put in your fuel and light it up, it heats it via the outside wall instead of from the center well.
but after all that, it doesn't change my opinion of the stove, it's still a total waste of money and i strongly advise anyone who was thinking of getting one to keep well away from it. it is a piece of expensive rubbish!
thanks for your review :) neil
I will stick with my DIY soda can stove or a Trangia and spend the 35 bucks on a years supply of fuel .In the 5 minutes it takes this one to bloom my stove has already boiled water. Thanks for testing all the stoves and sharing the results.
Another good gear review Dr. Ernie. I don't have the Vargo Decagon, but do have the Vargo Hexagon Alcohol Converter Stove. Same issues with priming and spitting out fuel at times. Also my least favorite alcohol stove and probably somewhat dangerous. The stand to convert the hexagon wood stove is very unstable. So far nothing beats the Toaks Siphon Alcohol Burner (quick to prime, easy to put out, and no problem reclaiming unused fuel). Thanks for another entertaining and informative video. I bought the Toaks Siphon Burner because of your review and am totally happy with it.
I do not like the look of that stove. Judging by this video, my old Trangia is far far superior. I love my Trangia though, I honestly don't think it can be beaten.
Great video all the same.
Wow...
I'd be ashamed to say I designed it. Would feel even worse to try and sell it.
Seems like most ANY other option would be better.
Thanks Ernie.
User error. Brand of fuel has a significant impact on performance. I use mine with a Caldera Cone and it works well.
I love mine, but I also have a plumbers heat mat underneath and prime it from fuel around the base. Each to their own.
priming is essential
*LAUGHS IN CHS MADE OF TRASH*
What's 'priming'? Why do you need to wait on the thing to bloom at all?
I wonder if "completely full" means only to the bottom of the tapered part of the fill inlet? Just trying to explain the fire encompassing the entire stove at the beginning.
you must watch, vargo titanium converter stove - boil test by Hiram Cook. Hiram is retired from stove reviews, but his channel remains and is the most extensive reviews you'll find on RUclips. He reviews a different vargo model than the one you're using but he gives some tips on how best to break in the stove and to save the left over fluid. I miss Hiram.
Did Hiram actually pass away instead of retire his channel? Ive been reading that he passed away, but cant confirm that.
I miss him to and of course his buddy Max ☹️
I don't think he's dead. Last I looked he was spending all his time turbo posting trump hate on his facebook.
@PaleoHikerMD. Thank you Ernie for a great review!
With my luck, I’d be cold and hungry but unable to heat water because I would only have about 1.40 oz of alcohol and it would not bloom! TRANGIA TIME!
You just can’t beat the Trangia.
Hey, I noticed that in your second chance video, you were on a wood surface 😳 lol
I've had a few Vargo stoves, I've not kept any of them.
None of them have been any use.
Incidentally, is that a SVEA 123 on the shelf behind you?
I've got the Vargo Triad and blow it out afterwards which works fine. I think when Vargo say fill it up, they mean to just achieve a small pool of fuel above the pour hole? I haven't tried the Decadon, but it's similar principles to the Triad.
Some comments based on extensive use of this stove… I think my instructions said to fill it to the “weld line” and to extinguish, just blow it out like a candle . Never owned a stove that you can blow out like a candle but its that easy. I have also used this stove with the Trangia storm cooker 27 and it really performs well it that setup. I purposely spill fuel around the base onto some carbon felt to speed up the prime, kinda like the Svea 123.
I imagine this would work really well if you added a MBD style wick around the base (near the seam) to help with the bloom. I bet you wouldn't need to fill it all the way up then too.
Edit: That said... Just buy a MBD stove! It primes in 10 seconds, it's easier to put out, better flame pattern, faster boil, easier to get fuel back in the bottle, and if you need to modify it anyways, a homemade MBD style stove is basically free! ...what the heck were they thinking?
first time I've seen an alcohol stove seem to be hindered by being titanium... maybe if it was steel it could retain heat and bloom with less.
i have this stove and added a few things to help it along, its def not my fav stove.
i added a thin strip of carbon felt to the bottom held on my some thing wire wrapped around the felt. I put 1 oz of fuel in and a few drops around the carbon felt. light the felt and it primes better/faster
next i added foil on the bottom to cover the precut holes for if i spill out any fuel when i get fuel on the carbon felt.
Its not the best stove but it works really well with my evernew pans not my tall mug style pots.
I agree with you, this thing took a long time to prime. Thank you for verification. It's so expensive.
Unlike brass or aluminum, titanium doesn’t transfer heat to the entire stove. The small flame is concentrated at the very center and does not heat up the sides to vaporize the fuel to ignite it. I would suggest after filling it up I would put an additional alcohol on the outside ring, with that lit and creating heat I believe this stove would prime faster.
I have a Vargo titanium triad. In order to get that to prime quickly I use a small aluminum cap that I cut down and putting a few drops of alcohol in it and light it before I ignite the fuel in the stove. This protocol works very well.
As a stove enthusiast i have pulled up the Vargo website a number of times and to date have not pulled the trigger on any of their stove options. They just do not work as well as other stoves/burners do (as per my own obsessive research and props to Hiram Cook ) and those other stoves usually cost less and require less fuel to operate. I was really looking at the converter and Hexagon wood stove combo. I went against these options because the converter stove suffered the same flaws as the decagon. The Hexagon wood stove just housed the wood and didn't offer any secondary burn like the Bushbuddy, four dog or Toaks. Shame. Vargo does make a great fuel bottle (my go to) and I have also considered their pocket bellow.
Perhaps it's a heat transfer issue. It seems that there isn't enough metal in contact with the fuel to make the fuel boil quickly. It looks to me that there could be an air pocket between the flame in the center and the sides causing the heat to travel across the top and down the sides before any heat transfer occurs. A simple fix might be as easy as putting a tube made from a soda like you would in a DIY soda can stove that sticks out and above the fill line but not higher than the top of the stove to facilitate a faster heat transfer. You could also trim it to the fill level to eliminate having to bring a measuring container. I would scare a line at the fill opening at the full level anyway for the same reason.
I have to think that with a easy fix could make this stove a favorite if even your higher standards. I don’t mean that sarcastically, I just know that you have used an insane amount of stoves so you know what your business when you take about.
I know you have used some of Tinnie’s mini bull designs. So if you wrap on some fiberglass wicking or maybe carbon felt to heat up the outside of the stove I have to think that it will bloom a lot faster even with a ounce of fuel.
I hope you see this message and try it out.
Yet another great video from
Dr. Hiker. 👍🏼
I have been using this stove: ruclips.net/video/jgsTj9FOdpo/видео.html for 15 years. Cheapest, lightest way to boil water with alcohol. I use a wide pot (Evernew 1.3 liter) and a titanium windscreen. I use a heat reflector under the stove cut from an aluminum oven liner, which also prevents scorching the surface underneath. It requires that you practice with fuel (and water) quantity to achieve the best performance. Having been a Trangia owner, and having done many experiments with the stove, I have discontinued its use because it is heavy relative to the Supercat, and wastes fuel in that the entire reservoir of fuel must be brought to a certain heat before the stove blooms, which takes time as well. It also requires a pot stand, adding unnecessary weight. Once extinguished after use, the hot alcohol in the reservoir continues to evaporate until the stove cools enough to screw the cap on.
For short trips, it's fine, but the only advantage it has over the Supercat is that it has an adjustable simmer. If one plans on simmering while hiking, it would be much less of a hassle to use a pressurized gas canister stove. They are not without drawbacks, either.
One thing about carrying alcohol: if one wishes to start a wood fire, the accelerant is right at hand.
Hiram Cook's channel is among the best for information on alcohol (and wood) stoves.
Oh, simmer hack: use an empty tealight candle tin, placed in the Supercat, filled to overflowing, to achieve a simmer. It's most effective in cooler temperatures.
Experiment. That's half the fun, right? Tinker is my trail name.
PRO TIP: the stove unit itself needs to be heated up… Use your lighter to heat the side of the actual unit, and it will prime/bloom immediately not a big deal. Ernie maybe reach out to Vargo and request to try a newer/recent unit. Please revisit this stove. My unit works like a champ! 🤷🏻♂️
Good review. I’ve not heard much good about any Vargo so I don’t believe the good reviews of this stove. I haven’t bought one and don’t intend to.
Trash.
Try using it on anything but a solid, warm surface. It loses so much heat thru conduction with the ground it will never bloom in 'field conditions'. Not to mention titanium sheds heat to the wind like a fiend, too.
Terrible design serving only to add another chunk of Ti to the collection, and considering the origin of said hot-pressed, grade 2 Ti paperweight... Meh.
I've got military trangia. It seems much safer and easier to use, with its screw-on top and rubber o-ring.
I just have to ask, are you able to print blade handles .. And how about blades in plastic ...how would they sharpen?
Most dangerous alcohol stove? . . . Maybe, maybe not.
Dangerous alcohol stove? Perhaps a bit more so than many others. Safer because wise base makes it top-free, while others tip easily (fancy feast, juice can, etc.).
Worst alcohol stove? . . . Maybe, maybe not. But definitely one of the worst. All Vargo stoves seem to be the same : 1) Slow blooming, 2) Pretty good (not great) boil times, and 3) Very, very efficient with fuel.
Mr fire alarm must have been asleep !
They have a three leg titanium alcohol stove. Was it to replace this one in the review? Have you reviewed the other Vargo stove?
15:11 Even though it is a low flame, with a pot stand you could place a measured cup of water over that flame, and measure the water temperature rise, and measure (by weight) how much fuel was consumed to determine efficiency. Might not be a quick fire, but still a low consumption efficient food heater to conserve fuel!. Ya can't always have just what ya want, and maybe make good use from an unexpected use method!
This stove has been around for some time now. The reviews I read at the time didn't rate it due to the points you raised. I decided not to buy and review as it was a waste of money to do so.
The entertainment value alone is worth the price! I love setting fire to stuff and not having any idea what will transpire!
Seriously, I think you would need to make a snuff cap out of a soup can or something.
Love your stove addiction!
Off my want list. Find it funny that after one test bursts into flames you do another test on wood.
Did you time it with a pot on it ?
It might heat up faster.
I could see the fluid level in the center rising and lowering when it erupted. It kept doing it after it bloomed. THAT'S DANGEROUS!!
I agree with you that the cat can stove is one of the best in its field which is a sad comment since all the commercial stoves costing so much can't warrant the price for their tiny advantage. Trangia styled stoves have fuel saver ability but not enough performance advantage. Thank you for video
There are some small scale manufacturers that make far cheaper, safer, lighter and more efficient stoves.
In the UK Speedster stoves (with Gary's very nice combination potstand windshields for Ti mugs ) spring to mind. Similar to the US Zelph StarLyte.
The Speedster stoves also carry fuel. my 30ml one weighs 37g when filled with 30ml (2tbs) Meths.
The Trangia was is and will always be the best
I totally 100% agree this stove sucks BIG TIME & not worth the money at all. I use a CC stove & LOVE it
Wow, that’s one heck of a stove fail…
I tried my best to get this stove to be field friendly and its not, you can't light it and set the pot on it or it goes out, it hates any slope & must be fully filled to start I gave up on it and went to Evernew titanium and not regretted a thing
I "was" interested in one & watched alot of videos of them & the Triad. I was thinkng they were well made but I guess not, I wanted a simmering option as well.
Anyone heard of or used the Etowah 2 stove? The videos here are limited on its use for boil and simmer cooking. Maybe a review on that stove if you would please.
Thanks!
The Triad bloom more fast if you put a small lid, bottle cap... under for pre-heat.
For simmering, look at "BS 1.1 Adjustable flame stove", simmer well but is not fast to boil,
8-12 min for 2 cups.
I think Ernie made a video about this model, ind the end of last year.
Other review channel has a series of videos about the "Etowah 2".
@@Sokol10
Thanks!
Just saw an interesting stove for you a svea 123r copy by Luxai
What's the best alcohol stove? If first times alcohol stoves. Want to buy some for my grand kids!( teens) I have seen all your videos and want to make sure I don't have to buy them another one later. Thanks.
You need to look into making them from cans with your grand kids. They'll like that way better.
But if I had to suggest some, I'd suggest the classic Trangia, the Evernew DX setup is a very nice piece of kit, but pricey. I love mine tho.. the Toaks Siphon isnt a bad one, either, but it needs a stand..
Seriously tho, look into making some. Go check out Tetkoba here on RUclips and look at the CHS Universal especially, but all of them in general.
I second the Trangia. If you only buy the stove, get a pot stand too.
I kind of grew fond of the fancy feast stoves. They are lightweight, easily made and perform very well. They require a separate fuel bottle. I can live with that.
If you take the time to make one of the fancy feast stoves with them that might be way cooler. You can still buy one later.
You also might think in lines of a cooking system: a mug, a stove that nests into it and maybe a spoon and collapsable cup.
Put wick on the bottom of the stove. Full prime.
Nice to look at but dangerous to use and should be recalled. Its way too scary.
My blooms fast and cook fast
The best prof of how bad this is. I can not find any copy of it on Aliexpress
This one goes in the comment Hall of Fame…so true :)
It’s like “over feeding a baby”! You got a “burp & FLAME VOMIT”!
Never overfeed the baby every parent knows that lol 😅
I have the same problem with the Vargo converter stove. I want to support their company being a fellow P@ resident but it is a poor design. I do like the hexagon wood stove!
Where in china is P@?
Right next to the Walmart!
I haven't used a decagon stove but I use and love the vargo converter stove. It's annoying to constantly see you tubers try to bring the burner to a bloom in that manner which is not how they function. Also I can just blow out the converter stove but be careful or you might remove your eye brows. I've had the ever popular trangia "fart" and I think that is one of the associated risks with alcohol stoves
Liquids expand with heat, that is why. Like I said, nothing as a Trangia...
Sorry, but there is nothing as a Trangia, speaking on alcohol stoves, I mean...
I will never use any other than my cat can stove. Easy to make, 47 cents to buy. Weighs .4 oz✌️
Id put whit gas in it to preheat charcoal would not cook with it
I sent mine for recycling an hour after I tried it.
Anything that looks more like a garden sprinkler than a alcohol stove has got to be problematic.
Uh, wow. Really not good, very poor design. I took your advise and bought an Expedition Research Titanium esbit stove, I have used it twice and am very happy with it. Love the reviews and thank you.
I have few Vargo alcohol stoves. I gave them multiple chances to make me happy. But never.
I have two other Vargo stoves. Both are disappointing in their performance.
I have a regret about one particular brand of backpacking stoves that I have purchased. I purchased a alcohol stove from a company , tried it , what a disappointment , nothing but junk. So I got another one ( Different one ) from the same company , again junk. To make a long story short I got everyone of their alcohol stoves and they are all junk. Other items they have in titanium are really good but the stoves from Vargo are not worth anything but as items to fill the back of the junk drawer. Way better off with the Tragias , Evernews , Goshawks , Toaks or even home made stoves. Just my opinion and no one else's.
Thanks for that vid, that thing is a piece of junk
Vargo tells to spill fuel to speed bloomimg
Man vargo gets the award for the worst stove ever
It’s a good little stove when you know how to use it.
JB weld some 10mm fire rope around the base under the jets.
Put 1oz of fuel in and a few drops on to the rope.
Then review it again.
Pour your boiled water over your coffee and use your empty pot to extinguish the stove.
Empty the fuel out of the jets only.
I then relight the stove to dry it out completely.
Hope that helps ;-)
The point is you shouldn’t have to do these extra things to get it working and stop wasting fuel!😂
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Hello Clive I agree to a point ;-)
That’s why we have a shelf full, horses for courses.
But it can be a robust economical and lightweight stove
Yours Ron ;-)
Can you mention one stove that is worse than this? Have been on a youtube streak of watching stove videos and can't remember any. And it is 2-3 times as expensive as an original Trangia even without counting the JB weld and fire rope
@@mikgus is it the best stove out there no.
Am I sorry I bought it no.
It is not the perfect stove especially in strong winds
But it is not as bad as it has been painted no
I like most people are still looking for the perfect stove
But it is still one I carry in my pack and rotate according to weather conditions.
Waiting for my Goshawk stove to arrive;-)
Love my coffee on the river bank every morning.
Stay safe ,,have fun enjoy life .
@@ronpownall2074 Thanks for the answer. Have fun, enjoy life, and of course stay safe :)
All vargo stoves are dangerous. Flames are shooting everywhere. I got three vargo stoves which I will Never go hiking with them unless it is as a burner and never as a stove (a stove within a stove)
4:40 You suddenly turned Le François sounding. I know you’re in Louisiana, but I thought you had Hispanic roots, not French?
Also, jokes aside, you need to use this as an excuse to get a fire extinguisher AND one of those special foldable fireproof towels/blankets to snuff fires.
Well thats quite yhe fire hazard...not good
All these spirit stoves is that that you call than just buy a pocket rocket 2 fuck the deluxe it’s shit keep alcohol so called alcohol stoves/burners because tray waiste of time!.
That's a dangerous stove I'm pleased with my red camp that I bought because of the good reviews
Slow to prime and indeed dangerous to use
It looks very stable, other than that I’m not impressed.
End of video: Nothing as an Trangia (or knock off's)
I would rather just use one of my beer can stove's then this , thanks for your review cause it looks like it be a good stove but its not
WOW what a piece of junk! Worst stove ever!
Terrible product. Doesn’t look good for vargo
this stove is so bad.