I ‘want’ to pay for the better boot. Keep your cheap Chinese boots for Wally World. They will always have that market. When I get my Red Wings there should be NO doubt they are the highest quality.
I bought a pair of Redwings back around 1970. I was planning a 10-week back-packing trip. The inside was lined with an ultra-soft leather - like glove leather. I logged a lot of miles. They held up well, and really took a beating. The whole time they were always comfortable. I was a convert for life - that is, until they started leaving the soft inner lining leather out of their boots.
I worked as a machinist for 35 years and we got one pair of boots every year but the Red Wings didn't wear out for about a year and a half, even in the extreme conditions of the lubricating oil covering everything. I retired with five brand new pairs and still haven't word them. 😁
Best pair of boots I ever had was some Sears Craftsmans. I got 2 pairs from around 90$ out the door , each pair lasted almost 3yrs when I've paid 3x and have them fail in a year. Boy I'd kill for another pair as these are starting to fade away. I've worn out 3 pairs of shoelaces in these if that gives you an idea.
I bought a brand new pair off engineer boots at a second hand store. $40 for a never worn pair of Red Wings, even if I hated them I couldn't NOT buy them! I've had them resoled a few years ago and the manager offered to replace them with ANY boot in the store. I didn't like the styling they had at the time and preferred what I had because I used them as motorcycle boots. They've kept my feet safe through 2 accidents over 12 years and will probably continue to do so for the rest of my life, now that I've quit riding. This video has taught me to "always say no" when they offer to replace them vs. another sole to wear through haha
Wouldn't be able to do that anymore. I used to wear red wings they would last atleast that long and could be resoled. Not the toes blow out in 6 months and the sole needed to be re attached after 3 month. I will never buy another pair
Thats sad to hear. I've really enjoyed my old boots, I just wish they were a bit lighter. Size 13, 7 or 8 inch tall, engineer boots weigh around 10 lbs each. However, with that weight they increase their durability. I would love to have a second pair, so I guess I'll just week my eyes open for the secondary market
I recently bought my first pair of iron rangers (the OGs) at a local redwing store. Sales person mentioned the new wedge sole during fitting but was very honest and upfront about the differences in construction, pros and cons, how many people don’t like them on principle. So at least they’re being upfront
@@bradburke8363 yes. Never buy boots online. Always go to your local dealer. I love my local redwing store. Staff is dedicated to getting you the right boot for you, not for someone else.
I remember as a kid in the ‘60s my dad had a pair of Red Wing hunting boots that failed and he contacted them about it. They had a new pair on their way that day. I had a pair of Red Wing steel toe work boots about 8 years ago in which the soles completely disintegrated and had to guilt the service manager into replacing them. They definitely aren’t the company they once were when their products were produced in their namesake of Red Wing, Minnesota. China production facilities have ruined the reputation of many brand name companies.
you honestly believe they owe you a re-sole after 8 years??? you got your moneys worth. shouldve just payed the hundred bucks and not had to "guilt" anyon into anythin.
@@tristan2k4, if you had read my comment carefully you would realize that it happened 8 years ago, not after 8 years. The treads were barely worn and the boots weren’t that old. They just began to disintegrate and fall apart with chunks coming off the soles. The soles weren’t replaceable as they were molded on the shoe. The service representative admitted that this shouldn’t have happened but was unwilling to replace them until I continued complaining about how Red Wing no longer represented the quality they once had.
You do realize they have a 1 year warranty and always have. So if you were past that warranty that's on you. What you should be saying is they're such an amazing brand they replaced my boots when they didn't have to.
@@TheJssr2, I’m going by the customer service that my father received on his Red Wing Irish Setter hunting boots in the ‘60s and the premium price that I had paid to purchase Red Wing quality in my work boots in 2005. They were once a company that stood behind their product rather than seeking refuge in the date a warranty expired!
I think this is just a marketing mistake. They could probably create a new line of boots and call it casual or comfort line and avoid all this confusion. I don’t think they are doing away with their standard Iron Ranger just adding a different option to the mix. Definitely shouldn’t be in the heritage line though.
THIS. Kick it out of the Heritage line and swear that this will never become the norm. The fashion wearers can have an awesome line and support the bottom line; leave the heritage styles to their own. 👏🏼
This is my hope as well. I think these were put out to appease the people that want the style but complain about the break in hurting their wittle feetsie weetsies.
@D. W. They didn't say to create a fashion line. Just dropping any association with heritage will automatically put these in the assumed category of 'for those who want the look but not the feel'.
I could easily be wrong, but I see this style of iron ranger as an attempt to market to a more casual, sneaker-wearing sort of crowd. For that reason, they made this boot a little less “hardcore,” focusing more on initial comfort and wearability so they don’t scare away “boot-curious” customers. Hopefully this is just an experiment and isn’t indicative of the way Red Wing intends to start making all of their boots.
I agree. I hope the core members of the heritage line aren’t changed and it’s only these new experimental options that are different. If not, it’s good I just got my Iron Rangers.
Am I missing the point here? as I think that this offering is in addition to the current Iron Ranger and Moc Toe line. It is a hybrid that hopefully opens up new markets for them but it is not a replacement for their existing products.
I tend to be more partial to leather insoles, but I have had very good luck with the Redwings that have the Poron with fiberboard insoles. They definitely break in quicker and are very comfortable. Other boots I have had with fiberboard insoles have deterioration issues, but not the Redwings with poron and fiberboard. Their supersole boots are built this way. I have had several pairs of their supersole boots and have resoled them multiple times with no issues. The uppers have worn out before the insoles. Redwing seems to know how to make them hold up despite not being leather.
Been wearing Red Wings for years and have resoled some pair so many times the cobbler finally told me there not enough left to sew. I have never had another boot as comfortable and easy to break in from day one. As a retiree I am not as hard on boots and shoes as one time, but they are still the brand I will buy every time.
Red Wing Boots Lost their Quality many yrs ago!!!! I was not happy with the very first pair I had gotten!!! They were supposed to be stitching guaranteed until sole wore off!!! But when I took the boots in to complain, the guy didn't agree as to how much the boot was wore, he stitched them up and it looked like a blind witch had sewn them up!!! I kept them, just to show the shit craftmanship that you get( and the story!) About them, you couldn't give me those pieces of Shit!!!!!!! Boots bought back in the 80's were not even 2 yrs old the leather was wearing, the soles, and all the stitching fell apart!!!! Pacific, Mo. [Rex] ???? That was a Hundred thirty+ ??? Wasted!!! They weren't Comfortable either!!! Slip on boots.
Red wing had been the gold standard for the working man I've had a few pairs and liked them still have my dads old pair. But tbh I've recently found a local cobbler and have mor begun to get hand made boots from him. I really enjoy knowing the guy that makes my boots.
There's nothing better than American made local producers that take pride in quality and customer service and making sure you get what you need from that boot.
My gut says that part of this is that there is a big market outside the tradesmen who use the OG versions everyday for hard working purposes. And the knock on Red Wing is the time to break in. So if you're not in the trades and want a Red Wing for hipster style and casual wear, this opens Red Wing to a wider audience. And they can keep costs down(ish).
@@roberto78545 Thursday has made in USA boots with Horween leather uppers for $280. You could argue RWs QC is better but that’s still $70 less and Thursdays customer service is pretty good.
@@robformica5394 I have the Vanguards and they definitely have some kind of EVA or poron padding under the leather footbed. But what I’m getting at is that their made in USA boots use the same types of materials as the RWs at a much better price.
As a Red Wing branded dealer for over 25 years, I can tell you this is definitely NOT the direction they are going with their current, classic Heritage boots. This is more in line with trying to capture a different customer that wants comfort right out of the box. We sell way more 405’s, 411’s, and 2415’s than 875’s. The main reason is comfort. As much as I try and educate my customers on the break in period, they usually pass on the 875. Main problem has been getting the imported products on the shelves for the last year. Their domestic production has been much more readily available.
I can sayI love my 875 the most and get used the most ,break in does take some time and patience. My 866 see some action very now and again .All my other redwing are well worn and paid for . I think a lot of people don't want any break in and hat why this pair is little more cushion , they just don't realize what there missing with a well broke in sole. My only gripe on the 875 is how fast the wear is on the sole.
Redwing is cheaping out but increasing price. Just like a zillion other shoe brands I've had to increase for a lower margin of cost in the past year. This is partially because of material cost going up due to an almost 7% increase in inflation. And partially because they simply know they can get away with it. I sell high quality shoes my man. We all know where the industry is going.
I wonder how many people have seen the full catalog of Redwing shoes. Their success doesn't hinge on one style alone. Most boots Redwing makes are far below the build quality of the Iron Rangers, but those price points are needed for certain fields of work. For example, I've worked at a couple places that buy employees a new pair of boots every year and, due to the harsh work environment, I don't think more expensive boots would last that much longer. Sometimes, comfort is more important than longevity anyway and if you buy a new pair every year, paid for buy the employer, then why would you want a better boot that takes longer to break in. Many companies buy from Redwing and business seems good for them. I do wish that Redwing would stick to American made. I don't think many people realize that some models are made over seas.
@@bahjinelson3986 i agree with u, its crazy to spend 350 on a pair of shoes just to have them covered in grease in two weeks. Red wings steel toe line is not any better than tims or keens imo, but more expensive.
You seem like the man to ask. Is there a Red Wing made in U.S.A. Work boot that is non steel toe and comes in widths larger than EE or XW? Thanks for any help!
It’s really rad that you’ve kept offering an honest opinion on things like this new red wing boot. You’re channel has grown and you’ve done a lot of cool things. Some people get to this point and are afraid to be forthcoming with what they actually think and feel. Thanks for another great review!
Waaay back in the mid 80's I went to the local Red Wing store and bought a pair of Irish Setter Sport boots, which were among the best damn boots I've ever owned, for years and years... Regular Red Wing bees wax boot moisturizer, and a couple re-soles, and they lasted almost TWO DECADES of regular wear, plus hiking, yard work, construction, etc... Finally one day some years ago I went back to that same Red Wing store and told the employee I wanted to get another pair; he took me aside, and in a soft voice said Red Wing doesn't make boots like that anymore... So I said well, show me the next closest thing; to which he said there was nothing they were making at that time that he could, in good conscience, sell to me! I was blown away by his honesty, and, well, by the statements he made... I asked what he would recommend, and in a whisper he said look into Danner and Wesco boots, I'd be MUCH happier with one of those! I tell ya, since then, I have not purchased a single pair of Red Wings, though I have gotten several pairs of Danner's all-leather Made in USA Goodyear welt military-style boots, all of which have been absolute tanks; Fort Lewis, Recons, and Acadias, though the Acadias have some denier in them, they're still really good. And for some modern, lightweight kinda hikers I went with Lowa's excellent Zephyr boots, which are affordable, good, and very cool to look at! Sorry for the long rant, great vid/review as always, thanks for doing what you do!
I got a pair of these the day they were released. I’ve put in about 80 to 100 hours in these maybe 600 miles. I will attest that these are the most comfortable boots I’ve ever worn and I forget I’m wearing boots when these are on. They may not be as durable as an Iron Ranger but I find myself reaching for them often. It’s a great boot.
I agree completely. I have a pair and love them. They are so comfortable and the difference between build quality and materials is not a negative since not all boots have to be made bomb proof. Redwing has Iron Rangers, they can also make and we can also love these for what they are, not hate them for what they are not. Get'em, wear'em, resole 'em as needed. Get over it.
Red wing won't be saving much money when nobody buys the boots. I hope they don't switch the rest of their boots over to this because I would NEVER buy another pair of redwings if they did. What are they even saving, $10? Do they think we don't know the cost of leather?
First time watching one of your videos. Bought some iron rangers in 2013, and they still look brand new. I have absolutely put them through the ringer and I feel no regret paying over 300 for them. Love your content, video length, quality, and educated info.
As someone who owns pairs of both Red Wings and Thorogoods, I'm not sure I'd be as excited in paying the premium for Red Wings if they're now constructed more like the Thorogoods.
Hello, I am from the UK Can you tell me what a Thorogood boot size would be for a Redwing size US 13, UK 12, 31cm? I have several pairs of Danner, and Redwing, but don't know Thorogood sizing! Thanks
I had no idea that boots were this expensive, so with this already high cost in mind, I'm all about quality over quantity. Red Wing USA, don't let us down! Great video Sir. Thanks and Blessings!
I just bought at a pair of the re-released 8089's and was pleased to see the lining is no longer the "lightweight" lining on the previous model, but the better lining from the original IRs. Unfortunately though, I think the insole is still the leather on top of foam.
I am a footwear developer. For the internal lining, there are very high abrasion resistant fabrics widely available that have breathable properties. If that is what they used, I could see this material less prone to blistering and maybe a little moisture wicking. Mostly about the immediate feeling of comfort I would say. For the lasting board, if they used paper...totally unacceptable. Hard to believe actually. Are you sure it's not a non woven nylon fiber board? That would be a little better and with the high density foam, it would again, add some comfort. Material sourcing has been a problem as well these days. They may have been forced to accept a lesser grade material in order to meat production deadlines as high end material availability dwindles.
I had two pairs of Redwings….1993-2001 then 2001-2009. 2001-2009 were worn about 10-15 hours per day 7 days per week. No longer carry my size in that style even after calling the company. Went with Nicks. Wow. Like old Redwings but way better.
@@WD5035 What kind of work were you doing with them. It doesn’t matter what company I use I can’t get more than two years of life from a boot. Welder/fabricator and construction take a toll.
@@Sackmatters Still doing…..Railroad and trucking. Had two jobs. Railroad is climbing up and down locomotives which have sharp ladders that are tough on soles, besides walking on ballast ( rocks in between tracks and all over yards). Trucking….hauled petroleum and walking up top on those steel mesh walkways….tough on shoes. In all cases….had and have the same soles…..Redwings and now Nicks….Black Vibram 100 Lugged ( with the yellow stamp on bottom) soles brother. The Redwing soles just gave out….but they were in severe conditions and they made a lasting impression on me. I’m looking forward to putting these Nicks to the test. Custom made and $600 bucks, but no way am I cheating out on shoes. You can mess your back up.
@@Sackmatters FWIW I was a landscape construction contractor for 26yrs and wore Redwings for most of that time since 1990, but the went downhill around 2001 or so. Now I make furniture mostly welded & sculpted steel bases. I wear Georgia Boot's "Wedge Work Boot" in the shop and keep them well oiled, like REALLY well oiled. I use Redwing's "All natural boot oil." They've been a good boot for me going on three years now, but I have a feeling I'm not a boot beater as some guys are...some guys can trash boots in no time flat, while mine last a good long time. Not sure if oiling faithfully makes the difference, but I'm sure it doesn't hurt. Hope that helps.
Good luck with getting a response from Red Wing, I contacted them 3 years ago and am still waiting. The cap toe boot looks flimsy, I'll give you that. The problem seen 3 years ago was that they were using mink oil to condition people's boots. Bad because mink oil rotts stitching and leather. It was one of their employees who discovered that over a decade ago.
The transformation to ultralight trail shoes as the standard within the hiking and backpacking communities has also done a lot to really diminish the boot industry, as well.
@@BullMooseFox Definitely not a fad. The military has gone lighter and lighter on boots. Wearing lighter footwear, for certain actives, has actual benefits. Your ancestors didn’t need all this support and protection for their feet. The Romans conquered Western Europe and north Africa wearing what look like sandals to us. Something is to be said for letting your foot be a…. Foot. Maybe you should try it before you knock it
Trail shoes are stupid the whole point of hiking foot wear is to keep your ankles safe from rolling and keep your feet dry and why ? To save a pound or 2 I'll stick with actual hiking boots
Back in 1979 when I started off in the offshore oil and gas biz Red Wing was the gold standard as far as work footwear went. 20 years later no one would touch them. Quality and durability of their product was next to nil.
He just proved they are as solidly built as ever but with minor changes to moisture controlling properties on lining I've worn RW's my whole life. Couldnt disagree with you more. I'm calling BS on this one.
Used to love my Redwing boots until the last two pair. First set bent the toe cap after a month. Replacement pair, the back came apart after 2 months which they wouldn't replace. Switched to Keen's and haven't looked back. Had this pair about a year and a half.
As a industrial blacksmith I only wear Redwing Truwelt boots. Over the 11 yrs I’ve smithed they are the only boots that can stand up to walking on hot carbon scale, and handle the oils in the press pits when we have to clean those out. I tend to get a year out of them. I would recommend thick socks for break in though. They are kind of a bear to break in.
@@60zeller So you’re a size 10.5 brannock? Yeah I feel like a 10.5 would maybe work for me but the 11 works with thickish socks. It’s not overly long and I don’t like my toes to be cramped on the side.
I always wanted redwings , finally got a pair at a place that was going out of business . For 7 months my feet killed me , I was never so happy that a pair of boots fell apart in 7 months so I could go back to my trusty dakotas
As long as both types are available for the same price, no need for rage. Some people just don’t want to run around in a stiff boot for months, knowing that in 10-15 years it’s still going to be wearable. Some prefer to have it comfy from first day and might accept that the boot will not be as durable.
I buy a new pair of reds every year. Not because I need to but because I think they are great great boots. I have pairs for the mud, gator hunting, in my truck as back ups for when I’m jumping in the water, and dress boots. Love them. Never had a pair fall apart….unless the sole is totally worn down. Love these boots.
Red wings has been doing this to their logger line of boots for years now. I finally had enough and spent the money on Nick's. I'd rather see the price go up a bit than to have materials that won't last as long and create more landfill quicker
@@danhuntzinger260 I’m your huckleberry… I love my Whites. I guess if you’re in the market for good ol USA made boots you have to travel to Spokane, Washington….They have choices.
Owned 3 pairs of Redwings as a cable installer and dod contractor overseas. Every single pair were the most uncomfortable boots I've ever wore. Always had to by inserts to make them bearable. Switched to Nick's and they are by far the best.
I had a pair of Red Wing boots years ago, and they were the best/worst boots I have ever owned. The reason I say worst is because they were so durable that rather than fall apart, the leather stretched over time and no matter how tight I tied them my foot still slid around in them.
Not for me, but I was wondering whether these are intended as an entry level boot for people buying their first pair, but who are reluctant to spend money on something that won't be comfortable straight away and needs break in. The straight out of the box comfort is a selling point for other brands.
This is absolutely inexcusable. In a world where product quality was thrown out in lieu of replacement profits a long time ago, redwing has always been the marble pillar still standing amongst the swamp. To see them do this is absolutely unacceptable, and will very strongly effect my next consideration when purchasing a new pair of high quality work boots.
They still sell their other boots 😂 And the older Iron ranger boots are still in stock. Red Wing has always experimented look at their Irish setter’s I wouldn’t buy any hiker shoe but some people love that. At the end of the day its up to you with how disappointed you want to be. But don’t overreact 😮
I recently noticed on aliexpress, that there's lots of Chinese knock-off redwing-style boots, and other boots, that are welted, and even have leather insoles. Brands such as "rock can roll", and "red-tornado" etc. Would be interesting to see how they would compare, in a boot-dissection video.
Ya these look really good to me. I’ve never been able to pull the trigger on moc toes but always kind of wanted them. These look like what I wanted, iron ranger/black stone upper, moc toe sole.
I agree with all points. Went to Redwing yesterday. The new iron rangers have a one piece sole and the Goodyear welt is so thin it was laughable. Walked out and started looking for a handmade boot costing twice as much. I'll be ordering a pair of those.
I have 4 pairs of Red Wing boots and yes they can be tough to break in especially at my age ( middle 50s ) I bought my last pair 3 months ago but please don't cheapen the the heritage line. If I wanted Thursday boots or another easier to break in brand I would have purchased them. Start a different line but don't become a more expensive version of your competitors. Just a thought.
I think the boot is more marketed to a casual wearer, where durability isnt the most important factor and comfort is the top prio. They broke in so fast because they were designed to for the more casual crowd.
You can still get the Iron Rangers, so I just see it as more options for everyone. If Honda can have both the c90 and the Fireblade in their lineup, a boot company can have variation as well. Just know what you're buying, which is why I like these videos.
Good-to-know information. I love my OG Iron Rangers and Moc toes from Red Wing, I'll have to be cautious before I buy another pair. I think most "boot people" would value durability over initial comfort.
Love the content, information and honest insights and feedback. I've got a pair of 16 year old 606 boots with some cracking on the leather but still wear great. Tried a bunch of the $150 and down boots prior and they're all in the landfill. Had Redwing do the resole and new inserts a few years ago to the softer, more aggressive ones and still love them. Between the colored polish and and mink oil I have no complaints. Quality made here period.
If someone told me twenty years ago that I would be watching videos on a phone of a dude cutting expensive boots in half and talking about them I would think they're crazy.
Lots of companies have been making garbage recently. With new Carhartt Detroit jacket for example they “fixed” all the things that made it good in the first place.
I've had 3 pairs of red wings. All 3 the same style/size. First pair lasted about 2 years in a rough shop environment, super comfy etc. Second pair lasted about 5 years, less daily wear, super comfy etc. Bought another pair of the same exact style and after months they would never break in. Soles were super stiff, inside felt lumpy and shaped wrong. Impossible to wear. Tried talking to a sales guy about it and his only answer was 'well they're out of warranty so I don't know what to say'.
I think people also love the heritage behind heritage boots. I know I appreciate the effort and love that goes into something hand made. I want my materials to reflect that.
Bought a 230 dollar pair years ago the soles warped and wore out immediately, took them in to get replaced, they told me 50 bucks, and a local fix might be possible, but was two weeks out, or they'd have to ship them out and it would be two months. They suggested I get another pair in the meantime. I told them to keep them and haven't owned a pair since.
Same here, bought a pair in the 90s , The absolutely most uncomfortable boot I’ve ever owned , I tried and tried to wear them in .. wouldn’t give up, finally had to throw in the towel.. will never by another pair. The best boot I’ve had over 40 years of wear , is THOROGOOD.
We used to have a Red Wing Factory here in town. It closed down after the 2008 recession. Alot of people lost there jobs. The building is still empty and sometimes used.
I wouldn't be surprised if this is a product that is testing the waters. The Thursday style boots are popular for a reason and they're emulating it for sure. I think it's best to let Red Wings know what you think. For me, I won't accept any decrease in quality. I'd rather get a price increase before I pay for less quality.
What makes you think there is a decrease in quality. This RUclipsr has shown a difference, but no performance/wear/repair data to back it up. Sure, he doesn't like it. But that does not mean it is worse than the older version. Here's the deal. This dude is looking for clicks. He may be motivated by allegiance or motive from a competitor and not even be aware of it. Red Wing, certainly, is not in danger of collapse due to this change.
@@TUKByV Don't underestimate the power of an established company in any realm to manipulate public opinion. Look at the Muskrats and the fan boys of Tesla/SpaceX/The Boring Company. Let's see the data regarding "quality." Mere observations of changes in materials and/or manufacturing methods and/or styles do not dictate quality. Drop tests on reinforced toes, wear data, puncture tests, tension and compression tests, etc., may provide clues about quality, as well as wear data. Public opinion, style and tradition provide no assistance in determining quality == they only measure acceptance and satisfaction.
I noticed my Red Wing 2233's have that same black liner in the front. It seems to hold up great, the only issue is it actually wears down the socks faster than the older material they used to have. The rest of the model 2233 is equally great. Just as simple as you can get, with no liner other than at the front. The soft leather insole, etc. I've been wearing the same model since I was 12... So for 25 years now. I've tried other models occasionally, and tried other brands, but for me nothing lasts as long or works as well. I bought a pair of settlers and they were junk in a month. Brahma's fail in a few days at most.
what do you think about switching it up a bit to some leather jackets or other stuff that are also made from leather, besides boots I don't know man, just a suggestion. By the way, your contents are amazing. Like, really, you help me learn a lot. Always freaking excited each time you post a new video. Keep it up man :))))
I’m from Minnesota and have been using redwings for a while, it’s stuff like this that will eventually push me to another brand… come on redwing make Minnesota proud don’t be this sketchy..
A few moons ago.. my company paid for the warehouse and driving crew to go down and purchase each employee Red Wing work boots/shoes. I chose a hiking boot that was heavily stitched, durable thick aggressive sole, over the ankle well padded supporting good balance, well only had about 6 months of that. After that my walking just in warehouse wore down the treads, the padding inside started separating as well as the heavy stitch job along the outside along the boots. Held on to them after job was ended by being sold. I then worked as a forklift driver at a Winery.. the sulfates and wines spilling out of barrels ate up the rest of those boots.. literally disintegrated. Expensive shoes!! Glad I didn't pay out my pocket (199.00) and was very disappointed. Walmart has boots that'll go thru hell and back and still hold up past 6 months or more.. stay away from Red wings. They suck
To be honest they’ve been making these type of decisions for decades. It’s all part of the fleecing of American goods and services. Most often so delicately most people don’t even see it but thank you for pointing this out in this excellent video.
I started wearing Whites about ten years ago. First pair were tough to break in but after that, those things were like a good leather glove on your feet and the protection was awesome. And you could have them rebuilt at a reasonable price. I'd say no to those Red Wings!!
I own red wing heritage and they're more of a casual boot (for me) than a working boot like my thorogood's. I would like to see a pair of red wing work heritage, like a steel toe 875 with these modern comfort materials.
Redwing already has cheaper made alternatives. I hope this was a one off bad idea for this one particular “Heritage Boot”. The thick leather insole is harder to break in but absolutely worth it once you do.
I have a pair of ten year old Moc Toes that I bought for $90 as they had been worn twice. I love the style but they are without doubt some of the most uncomfortable boots I have ever worn simply because of that thick leather insole. Thankfully they run a little large so I put a comfort orthotic in them to make them comfortable. The truth is the people these boots were once designed for don´t buy these anymore, they are too expensive and too uncomfortable for twelve hour work days so they buy cheaper more comfortable boots that don´t need weeks of breaking in and they don´t feel so bad trashing due to work. The majority of people who buy these like a great deal of "made in America" workwear buy the myth, probably work in some hip start up design or tech and want to look like they are a worker. You just have to look at a Red wing store to see it is more lifestyle than work wear! It is the same with Rolex. They still make great watches but no one goes on adventures with them, pilots wear quartz watches and no one I know who dives wears one except for fun in addition to their dive computers. They have gone up massively in price over the past twenty years ago (assuming you can actually get one at retail) and are now really just a luxury status symbol. One can buy watches of equal quality for much less but they don´t have Rolex on the dial. I have owned three in the past, nice watches but really no where near the hype that is generated about them, same with any of these American Work boots. Built like tanks, yes, lots of leather, yes but in real world terms they are so uncomfortable if you walk more than the distance of your car to the mall! Give me more foam any day, sure they won´t last twenty or thirty years but at least I can walk in comfort right out of the box! I bet in real use terms these are probably the best red wings ever made if you define best in terms of comfort!
@@_BLANK_BLANK they do get more flexible but the insole is still hard as a rock! I must admit I do have quite sensitive feet so perhaps it’s more to do with me. I love the style and the leather used for the upper is lovely ( I have the dark burgundy ones)
I agree, I bought a pair of the blacksmiths and walked miles in them, have had them for three years and they still feel like walking on blocks of wood. I don't believe anyone that says red wings are comfortable. I would take a slight downgrade in build for more comfort, the only thing that sucks is that the price doesn't change to reflect that.
I was at a Red Wing store. Right next to the "Made In The USA" sign, inches, were the shoes I was there to buy. Looked inside, made in China! Price was $20 more! I made a comment to the owner and walked out, never to return after decades of being a customer.
Decades ago when I was still working, I used to buy Red Wings and had them re-soled and re-heeled as the uppers could take a beating. The price was also very reasonable for that service. Then their prices for re-soling started rising tremendously, so I started buying throw away work boots from Wally World.
I guess it depends on what you need, but I was so happy when I was able to upgrade to boots that cost over a hundred dollars that last, look good, and actually fit right. Fast fashion boots always fell apart on me or would aggravate the problems I have with my falling arches and week ankles. I also feel better not throwing loads of cloths and shoes in the garbage. I used to buy thrift as much as I could. If I'm going to be throwing them away by the end of the year at best, I may as well pay no more than $10 on second hand.
@@thecloneguyz I don't know what the prices are these days because I've been retired for 15 years. I used to buy Wally World steel toed boot for $30 something dollars and if they lasted a year, that was good enough.
@@2-old-Forthischet Wally World boots tear the crap out of my feet. I changed positions in my facility about a year ago and needed metgards and steel toes so I switched from the steel toe sneaker line they had to the meta boots I have now. Went to a local redwing cobbler that has been in operation for generations where I live to have them inspected the other day and the old fella told me to hold on to them, they aren’t going to be making them this sturdy any more. Considering some of the weight I’ve dropped on these puppies in the last year and the steel hasn’t dented? That cobbler is my new best friend. Salesman at work (company contracts a shoe company to come in to get our shoes). tried to convince me that a pair of converse high-tops with a rubber insert in the tongue was an acceptable replacement for metgaurds…. Meanwhile I’m over here hoisting 4 and 5 thousand pounds inches from my little girl feet. Give me my redwings! I’ll pay whatever I need to go resole these puppies forever! Redwing king toe with metgard.
First off those are shoes...😁 im kidding .. I remember buying my first set of VIBERGS for fallin' in British Columbia, $ 550.00 . my first real set of boots . it was actually borderline a spiritual experience. that was 25 years ago. they have hens and chicks growing in them now in the garden. my son, who is a second generation tree climber says to me last week, Dad lets go down to Viberg , im gettin' a set . you should have seen him prancing them around. proud as punch . almost as proud as i am of him. he came home with 2 sets ..so did I which was a miracle ..Anyone reading this . spend money on good foot wear. customers need to support their makers. we all know there is many reasons this is happening , one main one .. I read a book called the ''Empire of Wood''. the MacMillan Bloedel Story. MacMillan said in that book something that stuck with me as a young man at the time . HIRE GOOD MEN , AND PAY THEM WELL . thx for the video
I had sworn off Red Wing 40 + years ago. Had real issues with the leather, it was grainy and weak. The retailer told me to get lost. I went to the factory and they gave me the same crap.
Wow. Really interesting video. And you posted the week I bought my very first Redwings (Moc toe 1907s). I am happy with my new boots, but I can tell they will need time to break in. I was happy with the price based on the materials and the fact they are made in the US. I am a Brit in England, but I’ve always wanted a moc toe boot as I lived in Wisconsin as a kid and remember my dad having some. No idea if they were Red Wings, but I always loved those boots of his. Thanks for your great channel. I watched lots of your videos, as well as Stridewise, before going for the 1907s.
That’s an awesome choice. I have the copper iron rangers. It’s a versatile color. The Oro is pretty iconic in the moc toe but less versatile imo. Hope you get some great use out of them.
@@aradoran yeah, I am in my 50s, and wanted a more subdued colour. The Rough and Tough of the 1907s is perfect for me. And, the addition of the Norwegian storm welt made sense for just £10 more over the regular moc toe boot.
The company I work for gives us vouchers for Redwing work shoes every year. The first 2 years the shoes I selected messed my feet up pretty bad, so instead of free shoes I decided to buy my own work shoes. That is what I think of Redwing shoes.
Same here I hate Redwing garbage oiled the shit out of them but they wouldn't budge finally after barley being able to limp I just bought some keens they are cheap and disposable but at least I can count on them being comfortable from day one to the day I have to toss them
It probably is cost cutting. I used to wear exclusively Rockport shoes but about 25 years ago when they switched to offshore manufacturing they changed the way they were built. The change was obvious when you put them on -- the originals fit like gloves for your feet, the new ones fit like cheap shoes. Decent footwear makes a huge difference to the quality of your day.
Always loved my redwings, especially Irish setter versions. Few years back I tried Merrill’s mid top lace less and haven’t looked back. Far more comfortable, lighter, as durable and less than half the price. I keep 2 pair, one brown one black and alternate. Treat them with redwing products and it’s no comparison. Wear merino wool socks ( darn tough, or smart wool) and it’s like wearing slippers to work. Waterproof and warm, very lightweight. No reason to ever go back. High quality leather and can’t speak highly enough of the lace less design. For the price I have to recommend giving them a try. Redwing is still far superior than cat, wolverine’s, or timberland. Just no comparison to Merrill’s.
I worked construction for some months now and I'm soon going to change to a more casual setting but I'll still be on my feet and walking on concrete. My wolverines are holding up fine but I've been looking for a better boot for comfort and that fiberboard is a deal breaker
I could be wrong, but i'm pretty sure the last 3 or 4 models they've released including the chelsea, goretex moc toe, this iron ranger and a few newer colors of the moc toe have all had this poron insole. I'm not 100% sure on the newer moc toe colors as they're for the womens side and didn't look into them, but for now this is a trend they're clearly keen on continuing. That being said, they cancelled production on the chelsea relatively fast so that could be covid constrictions or unfavorable sales. We will just have to wait and see what's next off the assembly line. I'm hoping for more mens 8 inch heritage options personally 👍
I'm not sure on previous moc's but my wife has the legacy blue which was part of the more recent releases. It definately has some type of poron and not sure on the board. Though to be truthful all of her Red wings (Iron ranger, Clara, Harriet, Mocs) are like this with a poron (or poron like material) Not all are that recent so may just be a part of how the womens line have been consrtructed for some time. Truthfully I may go for a pair of the Chelseas because of the comfort factor. Use them as throw on quick beaters but will only buy at well reduced 2nds pricing.
I started wearing Red Wing boots in 1984. Bought my first pair of Pecos work boots at 16 and paid 105 dollars for them. My mom thought I’d lost my mind paying that much for a pair of boots, but those boots lasted for nearly four years. I wore RedWing religiously because of that fact until 1995/96. When I had to replace a pair twice in less than six months I switched to Wolverines and wore them until they started to cut corners and use inferior materials. RedWing used to be the top of the list boot but now they are just overpriced junk. They need to go back to using quality materials and making them in the USA like they used to but they won’t because nowadays it’s not about quality it’s about making bigger profits.
Rose Anvil, i used to wear Red wing shoes in oil and gas with cover all since early year 2000, in on shore , off shore, petrochemicals, power plants, refineries, LPG, LNG plants projects. My comments, theyre good and proud to wear, durable, made in US of A..cannot exchange with other safety shoes. Ive worked in China for LNG plant projects as mechanical engg coach and bought 2 red wing shoes made in china, i think its fake but still proud to wear it as red wings.....I still have now remaining here 3 diff kinds of red wings shoes...the other 2 red wings shoes i used to give it to my friends.
I've owned 5 or 6 pairs of rw boots over the years. Paid hundreds of dollars every time. I actually liked 1 pair. They lasted 3 years which was mind blowing. Very hit or miss with these boots and for me it's mostly miss.
It seems like you’re right. Red Wing seems to be going more in a fashion focused direction, which I guess that’s what the heritage style always was. I mean I wear Iron Rangers all the time, but I’m not going to wear them to do any real work in. I think Thursday really changed the game with the casual heritage style boots and more and more people are getting into them. I think Red Wing is trying to follow the market right now. The people that wear boots to put them on Instagram and stuff prolly don’t care a whole lot about how the boots are made, just how they look so using cheaper materials isn’t going to matter. That being said, if I need to get another pair of Iron Rangers in the future and they aren’t the same as the ones I have now I’ll probably go elsewhere.
Bought a pair of thorogoods and they lasted about 6 months until the sole came loose in the front Redwing, just like carhart they're trying to push sales to all audiences like office people instead of hard labor...
Would be interesting to learn more about the fiberboard. Hopefully its synthetic. Paper fiber boards used in archival picture framing are P.H buffered to neutralize acids that break down the material over time, while 100% cotton fiber board is preservation grade and lasts a relatively long time if not abused. Personally, I'd rather the boots stay mostly leather, because I use insoles that increase comfort immediately, and can easily be removed when worn out.
I've had a Helly Hansen Woodlands boot for five years. I used it actively (concerts, hikes, work, etc) and it was fine, except when I used for heavy duty constructions. Even though it was still kind of repairable i saw what was inside it. Basically it had a two layer eva midsole and a thick eva insole. The leather was about a milliméter thick Just as the fiberboard which disintegrated. It was a cheap sneaker advertised as a premium boot. From that experience I uograded for a more expensive European made hiking boot which actually had standard certificatings (thoug mostly for breathabiloty and waterproofness. Its upper made from 2.2mm thick greased full grain leather + PU coated leather át its heels and cordura fabric, the inside has a watwrproof and breath able lining, meamwhile under the insole was a first soft wool fleece like lining which was stitched (every stitch hole sealed with some black spots) and after a while hardened and it became quote uncomfortable éven with the insoles It was very comfortable boot when tried but after its PU mid and outsole has started to be soften i realised it does not have any shank. And after a while my feet starts to hurt in it.
The sewing over the toe area is likely to be harder on people with wide feet. It's bad enough it lacks significant arch room it now cuts into the toes too.
You can't beat the comfort of leather ,it becomes a part of your foot when broken in . The best place to buy a pair of shoes would be a place that makes them by hand ,those shoes will out live you .
It's fun to see the boot community coming together in the comments 😂 I have a feeling too with the cheaper materials the bolts are still going to command a premium price-wise
I make RW boots in RW, MN. I can tell you the leather is higher quality than most leather. It's also made in a union factory, just like the boots made in RW. I've sewn together the boots and have worked with the canvas lining and the black lining as well. The black lining will wick away moisture better, hold up longer and keep your toes warmer in cold MN climates. As for the soles, part of that is I believe most people want comfort now and don't think of the long term wear. I hope this helps.
I used to be a Cobbler and repaired those many times. The soles are easy to remove by knife. The midsole is stitched on and the vibram sole is glued, edges trimmed and finished by fine sanding.
@@zachp5291 yeah during the pandemic they had a sale on a lot of boots too and I didn’t pull trigger. But yes can not go wrong with Nicks for the money and fully rebuildable.
I think I watched this video some time ago, but it was well worth my time to watch it again. I have worn Red Wings since the 1950s. I grew up about 40 miles from Red Wing, Minnesota, so it was a local boot. Always been comfortable. Now I am in my 70s and have a knee problem. I wear various shoes and boots, but I can put my Red Wing boots on and feel comfortable again, no matter how much pain I have had during the day working in the garden or around the house.
I wouldn't mind if these were just Iron Rangers with a wedge sole and some phorene instead of cork. I think that would help with the break in process, but the boots would stay durable. However I'd prefer there to be Iron Rangers with a more rugged outsole as a default option as the normal one is really bad in winter weather and not soft enough for grip.
I’m an all leather fan. I hope this is just an attempt at a different market. Was going to pull the trigger on a pair…not now! Thanks for showing us the truth about this boot.
I ONCE BOUGHT A PAIR OF SPEAKERS off the speaker designer for Linn Audio - they were HIS custom Linn Kan speakers. They weighed double the commercial product. He told me that any "new development" a company tells you about is marketing speak for "we worked out how to make it cheaper...!" He designed the most perfect speaker he could and built it THEN the engineers worked out how to save as much money as possible and not totally ruin it. THEN the marketing team set to work coming up with BS reasons for the changes "Its to wear in more easily and wick out moisture" is marketing speak for "we worked out how to make it cheaper"
I worked as a LTL driver and bought two pairs of Red Wing Worx shoes. I wore the first pair out. When I bought the second pair, I used them for three months and put them in the box and in my closet as I left driving. I took them out 3 days ago and the rubber soles have rotted. It's almost tar like. Just using a screwdriver with little effort I can gouge chunks off. I peeled the soles off like stuck pancakes to a pan. for 130.00 dollars you would expect them not to be made of stuff that goes bad. This had to be something they designed into the shoe. Makes me think it was done on purpose so you keep buying more. Long gone are leather sole shoes that can be resoled several times. Everything is disposable now.
We do have the right to be mad at Red Wing! I would rather see them raise the price than reduce their quality like so many other brands have done over time. I want those traditional, quality construction materials and methods to be available to me, even if I to save a little longer to get them.
Like I've said over and over. If they want to make a "comfort heritage" line and market it for what it is, and at an appropriate price, but also keep the standard heritage line the way they are intended to be as a true heritage product, they could come out on top of this with a solid win, and more products that meet more of the market demands. Unfortunately I really think they might have the wrong mindset going here. The local franchise store that's been redwing for 50 years got dropped. Lucky they got new brands in, but it's sad that I feel redwing is being so stubborn they want exclusive contracts, but won't stock products. When they ran the classic Chelsea at first they tried to pass all this off like it was not a complete change from the other heritage line products. Anyway, that's my rant. Sorry guys. I'm just kinda disappointed in redwing, and they have been my trusted go to for like 15 years 😫.
Absolutely agree. I work at a red wing dealer and we have always had "comfortable" heritage models that sport everything that they should but they throw in a pretty thin, either muleskin or really thin polyurethane insert to minimize the break in. I own about 4 different pair of heritage from different family's. And all of them I use an insole. It is a style choice but I know what I get when I want a certain pair of boots. I don't think red wing as a company needs to try and please everybody and cater to the different niches. They've done this in the past by releasing around 5 new boots a year and they all fall flat on their face. Make a few boots and make them well is all we ask.
@@junicohen7918 that's a crock of shit. I wear classic mocs for roofing. There's all kinds of people who wear heritage boots for work, and there's also your whole group of guys who wear them for style. I believe I use them as a healthy blend of both.
If they rebranded the shoe as the "Urban Ranger" with leather exterior but synthetic sneaker-style interior for comfort and Lug/Sneaker hybrid sole (for urban hiking/light hiking) and sold it for $100 less, I would be on board with that.
Those would be chinese or asian made, like my redwings are. Yup, made in vietnam! and they look damn good. They obviously have some money grubbing leadership, that has pointed out that they can make $40-$60 more by cutting corners. These grubbers fail to tell them that in a few years, they will be robbed blind,when the asian company starts their name brand, with the same asian quality that redwing sells.
I think this is the classic boot company evolution to a dead end. You start cutting cost, which instantly increases profits, happy shareholders, customers barely notice. Then you keep cutting because management/investors love it and sales don’t seem to be decreasing too much. Eventually you reach critical mass when the tastemakers realize quality is gone and they move on. Then you become an empty brand-husk to sell to private capital to trick people who heard the brand is good.
They have been sliding down this slope for years. There was a time when you knew you had quality when you bought Redwing. Now, only if it is their heritage line. Soon, not even those.
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Paying fair wages, keeping manufacturing in the USA, and using premium materials is expensive...but worth it! Great vid as always!
Wow
Leather .. is forever.. lasting board.. not so much.
I’d take one pair Nicks over two of those RW any day.
Fair wages huh?
Do you think the employees think the wages are fair? Highly doubt it
I ‘want’ to pay for the better boot. Keep your cheap Chinese boots for Wally World. They will always have that market. When I get my Red Wings there should be NO doubt they are the highest quality.
Very informative video as always! It’ll be interesting to see where Red Wing decides to go. Oh, and thanks for shoutout! 👍
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I love your channel so much!
T&H rock!!
Great video but keeping an item at the same price, but using cheaper materials is called inflation
Love Trenton and Heath
Please bring back your sandals…
I bought a pair of Redwings back around 1970. I was planning a 10-week back-packing trip. The inside was lined with an ultra-soft leather - like glove leather. I logged a lot of miles. They held up well, and really took a beating. The whole time they were always comfortable. I was a convert for life - that is, until they started leaving the soft inner lining leather out of their boots.
I worked as a machinist for 35 years and we got one pair of boots every year but the Red Wings didn't wear out for about a year and a half, even in the extreme conditions of the lubricating oil covering everything. I retired with five brand new pairs and still haven't word them. 😁
Best pair of boots I ever had was some Sears Craftsmans.
I got 2 pairs from around 90$ out the door , each pair lasted almost 3yrs when I've paid 3x and have them fail in a year.
Boy I'd kill for another pair as these are starting to fade away.
I've worn out 3 pairs of shoelaces in these if that gives you an idea.
What size ? 👀
I bought a brand new pair off engineer boots at a second hand store. $40 for a never worn pair of Red Wings, even if I hated them I couldn't NOT buy them! I've had them resoled a few years ago and the manager offered to replace them with ANY boot in the store. I didn't like the styling they had at the time and preferred what I had because I used them as motorcycle boots. They've kept my feet safe through 2 accidents over 12 years and will probably continue to do so for the rest of my life, now that I've quit riding. This video has taught me to "always say no" when they offer to replace them vs. another sole to wear through haha
Wouldn't be able to do that anymore. I used to wear red wings they would last atleast that long and could be resoled. Not the toes blow out in 6 months and the sole needed to be re attached after 3 month. I will never buy another pair
Thats sad to hear. I've really enjoyed my old boots, I just wish they were a bit lighter. Size 13, 7 or 8 inch tall, engineer boots weigh around 10 lbs each. However, with that weight they increase their durability. I would love to have a second pair, so I guess I'll just week my eyes open for the secondary market
I recently bought my first pair of iron rangers (the OGs) at a local redwing store. Sales person mentioned the new wedge sole during fitting but was very honest and upfront about the differences in construction, pros and cons, how many people don’t like them on principle. So at least they’re being upfront
Well, the sales rep is.
That why I allways go..there honest,and are willing to work with ya because they take there time and find a perfect bootfit
@@bradburke8363 yes. Never buy boots online. Always go to your local dealer. I love my local redwing store. Staff is dedicated to getting you the right boot for you, not for someone else.
@@0f556 that’s fair.
An honest sales person? GTFO
I remember as a kid in the ‘60s my dad had a pair of Red Wing hunting boots that failed and he contacted them about it. They had a new pair on their way that day. I had a pair of Red Wing steel toe work boots about 8 years ago in which the soles completely disintegrated and had to guilt the service manager into replacing them. They definitely aren’t the company they once were when their products were produced in their namesake of Red Wing, Minnesota. China production facilities have ruined the reputation of many brand name companies.
you honestly believe they owe you a re-sole after 8 years??? you got your moneys worth. shouldve just payed the hundred bucks and not had to "guilt" anyon into anythin.
@@tristan2k4, if you had read my comment carefully you would realize that it happened 8 years ago, not after 8 years. The treads were barely worn and the boots weren’t that old. They just began to disintegrate and fall apart with chunks coming off the soles. The soles weren’t replaceable as they were molded on the shoe. The service representative admitted that this shouldn’t have happened but was unwilling to replace them until I continued complaining about how Red Wing no longer represented the quality they once had.
You do realize they have a 1 year warranty and always have. So if you were past that warranty that's on you. What you should be saying is they're such an amazing brand they replaced my boots when they didn't have to.
@@TheJssr2, I’m going by the customer service that my father received on his Red Wing Irish Setter hunting boots in the ‘60s and the premium price that I had paid to purchase Red Wing quality in my work boots in 2005. They were once a company that stood behind their product rather than seeking refuge in the date a warranty expired!
It's not China's fault, it's Red Wings' for being cheap. The Chinese contractor manufactures the product exactly as ordered by the client.
I think this is just a marketing mistake. They could probably create a new line of boots and call it casual or comfort line and avoid all this confusion. I don’t think they are doing away with their standard Iron Ranger just adding a different option to the mix. Definitely shouldn’t be in the heritage line though.
THIS. Kick it out of the Heritage line and swear that this will never become the norm. The fashion wearers can have an awesome line and support the bottom line; leave the heritage styles to their own. 👏🏼
This is my hope as well. I think these were put out to appease the people that want the style but complain about the break in hurting their wittle feetsie weetsies.
They already did that - it's the Weekender and in all honestly they're great, just not heritage.
If you check out their website, this shoe isn't available anymore. Maybe Redwing themselves realized it's a mistake?
@D. W. They didn't say to create a fashion line. Just dropping any association with heritage will automatically put these in the assumed category of 'for those who want the look but not the feel'.
I could easily be wrong, but I see this style of iron ranger as an attempt to market to a more casual, sneaker-wearing sort of crowd. For that reason, they made this boot a little less “hardcore,” focusing more on initial comfort and wearability so they don’t scare away “boot-curious” customers. Hopefully this is just an experiment and isn’t indicative of the way Red Wing intends to start making all of their boots.
I agree. I hope the core members of the heritage line aren’t changed and it’s only these new experimental options that are different. If not, it’s good I just got my Iron Rangers.
They are like Thursday boots now.
Am I missing the point here? as I think that this offering is in addition to the current Iron Ranger and Moc Toe line. It is a hybrid that hopefully opens up new markets for them but it is not a replacement for their existing products.
@@jamescoffey5282 That’s what I was trying to say more or less.
@@jamescoffey5282 if this option becomes dominant in sales, they very well could see a reason to start changing up the whole line up.
I tend to be more partial to leather insoles, but I have had very good luck with the Redwings that have the Poron with fiberboard insoles. They definitely break in quicker and are very comfortable. Other boots I have had with fiberboard insoles have deterioration issues, but not the Redwings with poron and fiberboard. Their supersole boots are built this way. I have had several pairs of their supersole boots and have resoled them multiple times with no issues. The uppers have worn out before the insoles. Redwing seems to know how to make them hold up despite not being leather.
Been wearing Red Wings for years and have resoled some pair so many times the cobbler finally told me there not enough left to sew. I have never had another boot as comfortable and easy to break in from day one. As a retiree I am not as hard on boots and shoes as one time, but they are still the brand I will buy every time.
Replace the welt helps
But… the video’s about the difference between your hard-wearing well-built boots- made by Red Wing for years- and a new pair.
I've been buying them for 23 yrs too.
Red Wing Boots Lost their Quality many yrs ago!!!! I was not happy with the very first pair I had gotten!!! They were supposed to be stitching guaranteed until sole wore off!!! But when I took the boots in to complain, the guy didn't agree as to how much the boot was wore, he stitched them up and it looked like a blind witch had sewn them up!!! I kept them, just to show the shit craftmanship that you get( and the story!) About them, you couldn't give me those pieces of Shit!!!!!!! Boots bought back in the 80's were not even 2 yrs old the leather was wearing, the soles, and all the stitching fell apart!!!! Pacific, Mo. [Rex] ???? That was a Hundred thirty+ ??? Wasted!!! They weren't Comfortable either!!! Slip on boots.
@@nealramsey4439 not these ones though!
Red wing had been the gold standard for the working man I've had a few pairs and liked them still have my dads old pair. But tbh I've recently found a local cobbler and have mor begun to get hand made boots from him. I really enjoy knowing the guy that makes my boots.
How does one find a cobbler that makes boots in nyc
There's nothing better than American made local producers that take pride in quality and customer service and making sure you get what you need from that boot.
@@jonathanflores7951 doubt they exist
@@jonathanflores7951 new York city has fucking everything dude. Look online maybe ask on reddit I guarantee there's a cobbler
@@PUNISHERMHS_2021 Even if they do they're going to be twice the cost of others just because of the cost of having a business in NYC.
My gut says that part of this is that there is a big market outside the tradesmen who use the OG versions everyday for hard working purposes. And the knock on Red Wing is the time to break in. So if you're not in the trades and want a Red Wing for hipster style and casual wear, this opens Red Wing to a wider audience. And they can keep costs down(ish).
But they are selling it for the same price as the real iron ranger…. It’s all about profits
@@whereRbearsTeethwell, yeah. Thats business.
So it's basically a Thursday at Redwing prices then. Shame.
Except better leather and QC coming from a made in the USA boot
@@roberto78545 Thursday has made in USA boots with Horween leather uppers for $280. You could argue RWs QC is better but that’s still $70 less and Thursdays customer service is pretty good.
The US made Thursdays use fiberboard too, just without the padding. At least last pair I saw.
@@robformica5394 I have the Vanguards and they definitely have some kind of EVA or poron padding under the leather footbed. But what I’m getting at is that their made in USA boots use the same types of materials as the RWs at a much better price.
Thursday boots are 🤮🤢🤮
As a Red Wing branded dealer for over 25 years, I can tell you this is definitely NOT the direction they are going with their current, classic Heritage boots. This is more in line with trying to capture a different customer that wants comfort right out of the box. We sell way more 405’s, 411’s, and 2415’s than 875’s. The main reason is comfort. As much as I try and educate my customers on the break in period, they usually pass on the 875. Main problem has been getting the imported products on the shelves for the last year. Their domestic production has been much more readily available.
I can sayI love my 875 the most and get used the most ,break in does take some time and patience. My 866 see some action very now and again .All my other redwing are well worn and paid for . I think a lot of people don't want any break in and hat why this pair is little more cushion , they just don't realize what there missing with a well broke in sole. My only gripe on the 875 is how fast the wear is on the sole.
Redwing is cheaping out but increasing price. Just like a zillion other shoe brands I've had to increase for a lower margin of cost in the past year. This is partially because of material cost going up due to an almost 7% increase in inflation. And partially because they simply know they can get away with it. I sell high quality shoes my man. We all know where the industry is going.
I wonder how many people have seen the full catalog of Redwing shoes. Their success doesn't hinge on one style alone. Most boots Redwing makes are far below the build quality of the Iron Rangers, but those price points are needed for certain fields of work. For example, I've worked at a couple places that buy employees a new pair of boots every year and, due to the harsh work environment, I don't think more expensive boots would last that much longer. Sometimes, comfort is more important than longevity anyway and if you buy a new pair every year, paid for buy the employer, then why would you want a better boot that takes longer to break in. Many companies buy from Redwing and business seems good for them. I do wish that Redwing would stick to American made. I don't think many people realize that some models are made over seas.
@@bahjinelson3986 i agree with u, its crazy to spend 350 on a pair of shoes just to have them covered in grease in two weeks. Red wings steel toe line is not any better than tims or keens imo, but more expensive.
You seem like the man to ask. Is there a Red Wing made in U.S.A. Work boot that is non steel toe and comes in widths larger than EE or XW? Thanks for any help!
It’s really rad that you’ve kept offering an honest opinion on things like this new red wing boot. You’re channel has grown and you’ve done a lot of cool things. Some people get to this point and are afraid to be forthcoming with what they actually think and feel. Thanks for another great review!
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Waaay back in the mid 80's I went to the local Red Wing store and bought a pair of Irish Setter Sport boots, which were among the best damn boots I've ever owned, for years and years... Regular Red Wing bees wax boot moisturizer, and a couple re-soles, and they lasted almost TWO DECADES of regular wear, plus hiking, yard work, construction, etc... Finally one day some years ago I went back to that same Red Wing store and told the employee I wanted to get another pair; he took me aside, and in a soft voice said Red Wing doesn't make boots like that anymore... So I said well, show me the next closest thing; to which he said there was nothing they were making at that time that he could, in good conscience, sell to me! I was blown away by his honesty, and, well, by the statements he made... I asked what he would recommend, and in a whisper he said look into Danner and Wesco boots, I'd be MUCH happier with one of those! I tell ya, since then, I have not purchased a single pair of Red Wings, though I have gotten several pairs of Danner's all-leather Made in USA Goodyear welt military-style boots, all of which have been absolute tanks; Fort Lewis, Recons, and Acadias, though the Acadias have some denier in them, they're still really good. And for some modern, lightweight kinda hikers I went with Lowa's excellent Zephyr boots, which are affordable, good, and very cool to look at! Sorry for the long rant, great vid/review as always, thanks for doing what you do!
If this happens with other new models, I think it would definitely be a sign of trouble. But if it is just this model, should be fine.
This is what I'm hoping as well
@@proto4747 they did it also with the chelseas with traction tred sole. I think this is the direction they are heading.
@@ibbjos08 Do you have any links or articles on that regarding the traction treds?
@@skibbityb1 ruclips.net/video/GaMBBvde0A4/видео.html&ab_channel=Stridewise
It's true. I own a pair of the new chelseas and they're built exactly like these new rangers.
I got a pair of these the day they were released. I’ve put in about 80 to 100 hours in these maybe 600 miles. I will attest that these are the most comfortable boots I’ve ever worn and I forget I’m wearing boots when these are on. They may not be as durable as an Iron Ranger but I find myself reaching for them often. It’s a great boot.
I agree completely. I have a pair and love them. They are so comfortable and the difference between build quality and materials is not a negative since not all boots have to be made bomb proof. Redwing has Iron Rangers, they can also make and we can also love these for what they are, not hate them for what they are not. Get'em, wear'em, resole 'em as needed. Get over it.
Being immediately comfortable does NOT mean it’s a great boot. Synthetic materials do not last like leather
Cutting costs and charging more……The new norm.
candy bar is smaller, Redwing can't, or they won't fit.
Red wing won't be saving much money when nobody buys the boots. I hope they don't switch the rest of their boots over to this because I would NEVER buy another pair of redwings if they did. What are they even saving, $10? Do they think we don't know the cost of leather?
First time watching one of your videos. Bought some iron rangers in 2013, and they still look brand new. I have absolutely put them through the ringer and I feel no regret paying over 300 for them. Love your content, video length, quality, and educated info.
As someone who owns pairs of both Red Wings and Thorogoods, I'm not sure I'd be as excited in paying the premium for Red Wings if they're now constructed more like the Thorogoods.
I buy thorogoods from now on.
It's the same old story as all the tool companies. Shit product, same price as the good product used to be.
Hello, I am from the UK
Can you tell me what a Thorogood boot size would be for a Redwing size US 13, UK 12, 31cm?
I have several pairs of Danner, and Redwing, but don't know Thorogood sizing!
Thanks
For me, it was the salesman lying to my face.
Thorogood is garbage.
I had no idea that boots were this expensive, so with this already high cost in mind, I'm all about quality over quantity. Red Wing USA, don't let us down! Great video Sir. Thanks and Blessings!
Seven years with the same RW boots that cost me 290. It comes to 41.42 a year and they can still go for a couple more years .
I just bought at a pair of the re-released 8089's and was pleased to see the lining is no longer the "lightweight" lining on the previous model, but the better lining from the original IRs. Unfortunately though, I think the insole is still the leather on top of foam.
I am a footwear developer. For the internal lining, there are very high abrasion resistant fabrics widely available that have breathable properties. If that is what they used, I could see this material less prone to blistering and maybe a little moisture wicking. Mostly about the immediate feeling of comfort I would say. For the lasting board, if they used paper...totally unacceptable. Hard to believe actually. Are you sure it's not a non woven nylon fiber board? That would be a little better and with the high density foam, it would again, add some comfort. Material sourcing has been a problem as well these days. They may have been forced to accept a lesser grade material in order to meat production deadlines as high end material availability dwindles.
Wow you know lots of shoe words
As someone who truly appreciates good quality US made products. I'm very disappointed in Redwing boots these days.
I had two pairs of Redwings….1993-2001 then 2001-2009. 2001-2009 were worn about 10-15 hours per day 7 days per week. No longer carry my size in that style even after calling the company. Went with Nicks. Wow. Like old Redwings but way better.
@@WD5035 What kind of work were you doing with them. It doesn’t matter what company I use I can’t get more than two years of life from a boot. Welder/fabricator and construction take a toll.
@@Sackmatters Still doing…..Railroad and trucking. Had two jobs. Railroad is climbing up and down locomotives which have sharp ladders that are tough on soles, besides walking on ballast ( rocks in between tracks and all over yards). Trucking….hauled petroleum and walking up top on those steel mesh walkways….tough on shoes. In all cases….had and have the same soles…..Redwings and now Nicks….Black Vibram 100 Lugged ( with the yellow stamp on bottom) soles brother. The Redwing soles just gave out….but they were in severe conditions and they made a lasting impression on me. I’m looking forward to putting these Nicks to the test. Custom made and $600 bucks, but no way am I cheating out on shoes. You can mess your back up.
I'm a carpenter (union concrete) I can't get more then 3-6 months out of them
@@Sackmatters FWIW I was a landscape construction contractor for 26yrs and wore Redwings for most of that time since 1990, but the went downhill around 2001 or so. Now I make furniture mostly welded & sculpted steel bases. I wear Georgia Boot's "Wedge Work Boot" in the shop and keep them well oiled, like REALLY well oiled. I use Redwing's "All natural boot oil." They've been a good boot for me going on three years now, but I have a feeling I'm not a boot beater as some guys are...some guys can trash boots in no time flat, while mine last a good long time. Not sure if oiling faithfully makes the difference, but I'm sure it doesn't hurt. Hope that helps.
Good luck with getting a response from Red Wing, I contacted them 3 years ago and am still waiting. The cap toe boot looks flimsy, I'll give you that. The problem seen 3 years ago was that they were using mink oil to condition people's boots. Bad because mink oil rotts stitching and leather. It was one of their employees who discovered that over a decade ago.
The transformation to ultralight trail shoes as the standard within the hiking and backpacking communities has also done a lot to really diminish the boot industry, as well.
Especially with people like me wearing Altras in the machine shop.
@@DeltaVTX I wear solid leather flipflops while milling, turning, casting, forging, or welding.
@@Eluderatnight right on Brother
@@BullMooseFox Definitely not a fad. The military has gone lighter and lighter on boots. Wearing lighter footwear, for certain actives, has actual benefits. Your ancestors didn’t need all this support and protection for their feet.
The Romans conquered Western Europe and north Africa wearing what look like sandals to us. Something is to be said for letting your foot be a…. Foot. Maybe you should try it before you knock it
Trail shoes are stupid the whole point of hiking foot wear is to keep your ankles safe from rolling and keep your feet dry and why ? To save a pound or 2 I'll stick with actual hiking boots
Back in 1979 when I started off in the offshore oil and gas biz Red Wing was the gold standard as far as work footwear went. 20 years later no one would touch them. Quality and durability of their product was next to nil.
What are the oil crews wearing now?
last pair i had the soles fell off 1 week after warranty expired, been wearing Georgia boots since
He just proved they are as solidly built as ever but with minor changes to moisture controlling properties on lining I've worn RW's my whole life. Couldnt disagree with you more. I'm calling BS on this one.
My pair is falling apart and they say made in China on the tounge.
@@Dane33781 only the ones under the "Red Wing Heritage" brand are made in US.
Used to love my Redwing boots until the last two pair. First set bent the toe cap after a month. Replacement pair, the back came apart after 2 months which they wouldn't replace. Switched to Keen's and haven't looked back. Had this pair about a year and a half.
Keens are awesome boots!
Keens are underrated
As a industrial blacksmith I only wear Redwing Truwelt boots. Over the 11 yrs I’ve smithed they are the only boots that can stand up to walking on hot carbon scale, and handle the oils in the press pits when we have to clean those out. I tend to get a year out of them. I would recommend thick socks for break in though. They are kind of a bear to break in.
You can get the Allen Edmonds Higgins mill and other boots on sale in that price range. Is definitely not a good sign for Redwing.
Yeah, paid 300.00 for my Higgins Mill, had them 3 years. Look better every day
@@60zeller do you mind sharing what leather and how the sizing is for you? I’ve got the brown cxl in size 11D and I’m an 11 Brannock
@@aradoran I have the same. I went down a half size to a 10.5 kind of wish I had gone down to a 10.
@@60zeller So you’re a size 10.5 brannock? Yeah I feel like a 10.5 would maybe work for me but the 11 works with thickish socks. It’s not overly long and I don’t like my toes to be cramped on the side.
Let's see a Higgins Mill cut in half! There is definitely poron under there, though I hope no fiberboard.
I always wanted redwings , finally got a pair at a place that was going out of business . For 7 months my feet killed me , I was never so happy that a pair of boots fell apart in 7 months so I could go back to my trusty dakotas
I haye red wings. I really need boots and don't know how to get any.
As long as both types are available for the same price, no need for rage. Some people just don’t want to run around in a stiff boot for months, knowing that in 10-15 years it’s still going to be wearable. Some prefer to have it comfy from first day and might accept that the boot will not be as durable.
I’ve never had an issue breaking in Red Wings. I’ve never heard of a set of boots taking months to break in.
10-15 yrs what in the world i need this boots. anything i wear doesn’t last 6 months. i might have to put this boots up to the test.
Good luck with the 10 to 15 yr time frame. Last 2 pair I owned fell apart after 5 years and that was not full time use.
I buy a new pair of reds every year. Not because I need to but because I think they are great great boots. I have pairs for the mud, gator hunting, in my truck as back ups for when I’m jumping in the water, and dress boots. Love them. Never had a pair fall apart….unless the sole is totally worn down. Love these boots.
Looking forward to the Red Wing's official response. So far, I really feel they should not have made the change.
Yeah let us know what red wing says please about that midsole change!!
I got a pair of 4332's. They are original iron ranger construction with the thick leather mid sole and absolutely no foam.
Red wings has been doing this to their logger line of boots for years now. I finally had enough and spent the money on Nick's. I'd rather see the price go up a bit than to have materials that won't last as long and create more landfill quicker
go for a pair of franks. it's better
@@danhuntzinger260 I’m your huckleberry… I love my Whites. I guess if you’re in the market for good ol USA made boots you have to travel to Spokane, Washington….They have choices.
@@Livnglrg I believe the guy that started franks is from nicks. I have had red wings, whites and now franks. you get what you pay for.
ruclips.net/video/8bpHBW8kcrU/видео.html@@danhuntzinger260 ! Right on. Go for the Frank’s.
I switched to nicks from redwing. My builder pros are due to arrive any day now.
Owned 3 pairs of Redwings as a cable installer and dod contractor overseas. Every single pair were the most uncomfortable boots I've ever wore. Always had to by inserts to make them bearable. Switched to Nick's and they are by far the best.
Dude, Nick's are handmade and twice the price - of course they're going to be better 🙄
@@ruzziasht349 But cheaper overall in terms of multiple boot lifespans.
@@Resistculturaldecline "multiple book lifespans"? is there a metric for this?
@@ruzziasht349 lol actually not. But multiple boot lifespans. There, fixed
Buy well, buy once.
I had a pair of Red Wing boots years ago, and they were the best/worst boots I have ever owned. The reason I say worst is because they were so durable that rather than fall apart, the leather stretched over time and no matter how tight I tied them my foot still slid around in them.
Use inserts
Curious, did you wear them daily? What kind of socks do you generally wear with them?
@@donkeygong64 Yes, I wore them daily and work gear brand socks. After years of wearing them it's like they went from a normal width to an E width.
Not for me, but I was wondering whether these are intended as an entry level boot for people buying their first pair, but who are reluctant to spend money on something that won't be comfortable straight away and needs break in. The straight out of the box comfort is a selling point for other brands.
This is absolutely inexcusable. In a world where product quality was thrown out in lieu of replacement profits a long time ago, redwing has always been the marble pillar still standing amongst the swamp. To see them do this is absolutely unacceptable, and will very strongly effect my next consideration when purchasing a new pair of high quality work boots.
They still sell their other boots 😂
And the older Iron ranger boots are still in stock.
Red Wing has always experimented look at their Irish setter’s I wouldn’t buy any hiker shoe but some people love that.
At the end of the day its up to you with how disappointed you want to be. But don’t overreact 😮
Thorogood Boots does the same thing...and Belleville...but the made in America boots are better, from both of these brands versus Red Wing.
@@olileatsnoc completely agree
Thorogood boots are the best. Made in the USA by Union workers.
I recently noticed on aliexpress, that there's lots of Chinese knock-off redwing-style boots, and other boots, that are welted, and even have leather insoles.
Brands such as "rock can roll", and "red-tornado" etc.
Would be interesting to see how they would compare, in a boot-dissection video.
Yes, the handmade Chinese boots like Red Tornado/Rock can Roll are being ignored.
Great point! We need a 'Chinese mystery brand' series!
I'm all for 'Murican made - and I'm also all for good products wherever they're made
I made a friend of mine buy a red wing type boot on Aliexpress after long research. He got them for 100$ and they are surprisingly very well made
I really love the style with the wedge sole. But it feels like a less expensive option with a ‘Heritage’ premium added.
Ya these look really good to me. I’ve never been able to pull the trigger on moc toes but always kind of wanted them. These look like what I wanted, iron ranger/black stone upper, moc toe sole.
I agree with all points. Went to Redwing yesterday. The new iron rangers have a one piece sole and the Goodyear welt is so thin it was laughable. Walked out and started looking for a handmade boot costing twice as much. I'll be ordering a pair of those.
I have 4 pairs of Red Wing boots and yes they can be tough to break in especially at my age ( middle 50s ) I bought my last pair 3 months ago but please don't cheapen the the heritage line. If I wanted Thursday boots or another easier to break in brand I would have purchased them. Start a different line but don't become a more expensive version of your competitors. Just a thought.
I think the boot is more marketed to a casual wearer, where durability isnt the most important factor and comfort is the top prio. They broke in so fast because they were designed to for the more casual crowd.
You can still get the Iron Rangers, so I just see it as more options for everyone. If Honda can have both the c90 and the Fireblade in their lineup, a boot company can have variation as well. Just know what you're buying, which is why I like these videos.
Good-to-know information. I love my OG Iron Rangers and Moc toes from Red Wing, I'll have to be cautious before I buy another pair. I think most "boot people" would value durability over initial comfort.
Love the content, information and honest insights and feedback. I've got a pair of 16 year old 606 boots with some cracking on the leather but still wear great. Tried a bunch of the $150 and down boots prior and they're all in the landfill. Had Redwing do the resole and new inserts a few years ago to the softer, more aggressive ones and still love them. Between the colored polish and and mink oil I have no complaints. Quality made here period.
If someone told me twenty years ago that I would be watching videos on a phone of a dude cutting expensive boots in half and talking about them I would think they're crazy.
Lots of companies have been making garbage recently. With new Carhartt Detroit jacket for example they “fixed” all the things that made it good in the first place.
I've had 3 pairs of red wings. All 3 the same style/size. First pair lasted about 2 years in a rough shop environment, super comfy etc. Second pair lasted about 5 years, less daily wear, super comfy etc. Bought another pair of the same exact style and after months they would never break in. Soles were super stiff, inside felt lumpy and shaped wrong. Impossible to wear. Tried talking to a sales guy about it and his only answer was 'well they're out of warranty so I don't know what to say'.
I think people also love the heritage behind heritage boots. I know I appreciate the effort and love that goes into something hand made. I want my materials to reflect that.
Bought a 230 dollar pair years ago the soles warped and wore out immediately, took them in to get replaced, they told me 50 bucks, and a local fix might be possible, but was two weeks out, or they'd have to ship them out and it would be two months. They suggested I get another pair in the meantime. I told them to keep them and haven't owned a pair since.
Same here, bought a pair in the 90s , The absolutely most uncomfortable boot I’ve ever owned , I tried and tried to wear them in .. wouldn’t give up, finally had to throw in the towel.. will never by another pair. The best boot I’ve had over 40 years of wear , is THOROGOOD.
Would love to see you take apart some Irish Setters to see what the budget minded Red Wings use to keep down costs
We used to have a Red Wing Factory here in town. It closed down after the 2008 recession. Alot of people lost there jobs. The building is still empty and sometimes used.
7:42 even our buddy isn’t so happy about this…
Saw that too. His glare was on point. 😅
I wouldn't be surprised if this is a product that is testing the waters. The Thursday style boots are popular for a reason and they're emulating it for sure. I think it's best to let Red Wings know what you think.
For me, I won't accept any decrease in quality. I'd rather get a price increase before I pay for less quality.
Shut up, Dale.
What makes you think there is a decrease in quality. This RUclipsr has shown a difference, but no performance/wear/repair data to back it up. Sure, he doesn't like it. But that does not mean it is worse than the older version. Here's the deal. This dude is looking for clicks. He may be motivated by allegiance or motive from a competitor and not even be aware of it. Red Wing, certainly, is not in danger of collapse due to this change.
@@ReachOutToWilliam quite a few comments about declining quality to be found here. Are every one of them from shills? Maybe.
@@TUKByV Don't underestimate the power of an established company in any realm to manipulate public opinion. Look at the Muskrats and the fan boys of Tesla/SpaceX/The Boring Company.
Let's see the data regarding "quality." Mere observations of changes in materials and/or manufacturing methods and/or styles do not dictate quality. Drop tests on reinforced toes, wear data, puncture tests, tension and compression tests, etc., may provide clues about quality, as well as wear data. Public opinion, style and tradition provide no assistance in determining quality == they only measure acceptance and satisfaction.
@@ReachOutToWilliam that means I cannot trust you, either.
I noticed my Red Wing 2233's have that same black liner in the front. It seems to hold up great, the only issue is it actually wears down the socks faster than the older material they used to have.
The rest of the model 2233 is equally great. Just as simple as you can get, with no liner other than at the front. The soft leather insole, etc. I've been wearing the same model since I was 12... So for 25 years now. I've tried other models occasionally, and tried other brands, but for me nothing lasts as long or works as well.
I bought a pair of settlers and they were junk in a month. Brahma's fail in a few days at most.
what do you think about switching it up a bit to some leather jackets or other stuff that are also made from leather, besides boots
I don't know man, just a suggestion. By the way, your contents are amazing. Like, really, you help me learn a lot. Always freaking excited each time you post a new video. Keep it up man :))))
Agree man. I think he should consider it.
I’m from Minnesota and have been using redwings for a while, it’s stuff like this that will eventually push me to another brand… come on redwing make Minnesota proud don’t be this sketchy..
It’s the myopic American vision…quick money.
A few moons ago.. my company paid for the warehouse and driving crew to go down and purchase each employee Red Wing work boots/shoes. I chose a hiking boot that was heavily stitched, durable thick aggressive sole, over the ankle well padded supporting good balance, well only had about 6 months of that. After that my walking just in warehouse wore down the treads, the padding inside started separating as well as the heavy stitch job along the outside along the boots. Held on to them after job was ended by being sold. I then worked as a forklift driver at a Winery.. the sulfates and wines spilling out of barrels ate up the rest of those boots.. literally disintegrated. Expensive shoes!! Glad I didn't pay out my pocket (199.00) and was very disappointed. Walmart has boots that'll go thru hell and back and still hold up past 6 months or more.. stay away from Red wings. They suck
To be honest they’ve been making these type of decisions for decades. It’s all part of the fleecing of American goods and services. Most often so delicately most people don’t even see it but thank you for pointing this out in this excellent video.
This is why chips a'hoy cookies now taste like cardboard
I started wearing Whites about ten years ago. First pair were tough to break in but after that, those things were like a good leather glove on your feet and the protection was awesome. And you could have them rebuilt at a reasonable price. I'd say no to those Red Wings!!
I own red wing heritage and they're more of a casual boot (for me) than a working boot like my thorogood's. I would like to see a pair of red wing work heritage, like a steel toe 875 with these modern comfort materials.
Redwing already has cheaper made alternatives. I hope this was a one off bad idea for this one particular “Heritage Boot”.
The thick leather insole is harder to break in but absolutely worth it once you do.
I have a pair of ten year old Moc Toes that I bought for $90 as they had been worn twice. I love the style but they are without doubt some of the most uncomfortable boots I have ever worn simply because of that thick leather insole. Thankfully they run a little large so I put a comfort orthotic in them to make them comfortable.
The truth is the people these boots were once designed for don´t buy these anymore, they are too expensive and too uncomfortable for twelve hour work days so they buy cheaper more comfortable boots that don´t need weeks of breaking in and they don´t feel so bad trashing due to work.
The majority of people who buy these like a great deal of "made in America" workwear buy the myth, probably work in some hip start up design or tech and want to look like they are a worker. You just have to look at a Red wing store to see it is more lifestyle than work wear!
It is the same with Rolex. They still make great watches but no one goes on adventures with them, pilots wear quartz watches and no one I know who dives wears one except for fun in addition to their dive computers.
They have gone up massively in price over the past twenty years ago (assuming you can actually get one at retail) and are now really just a luxury status symbol. One can buy watches of equal quality for much less but they don´t have Rolex on the dial. I have owned three in the past, nice watches but really no where near the hype that is generated about them, same with any of these American Work boots. Built like tanks, yes, lots of leather, yes but in real world terms they are so uncomfortable if you walk more than the distance of your car to the mall!
Give me more foam any day, sure they won´t last twenty or thirty years but at least I can walk in comfort right out of the box! I bet in real use terms these are probably the best red wings ever made if you define best in terms of comfort!
Don't they need to be broken in before they get comfortable?
@@_BLANK_BLANK yes
@@_BLANK_BLANK they do get more flexible but the insole is still hard as a rock! I must admit I do have quite sensitive feet so perhaps it’s more to do with me. I love the style and the leather used for the upper is lovely ( I have the dark burgundy ones)
I agree, I bought a pair of the blacksmiths and walked miles in them, have had them for three years and they still feel like walking on blocks of wood. I don't believe anyone that says red wings are comfortable. I would take a slight downgrade in build for more comfort, the only thing that sucks is that the price doesn't change to reflect that.
I was at a Red Wing store. Right next to the "Made In The USA" sign, inches, were the shoes I was there to buy. Looked inside, made in China! Price was $20 more! I made a comment to the owner and walked out, never to return after decades of being a customer.
cool story, tell it again
Decades ago when I was still working, I used to buy Red Wings and had them re-soled and re-heeled as the uppers could take a beating. The price was also very reasonable for that service. Then their prices for re-soling started rising tremendously, so I started buying throw away work boots from Wally World.
$77 for a RE-SOLE is still WAY CHEAPER than buying a new pair?
I guess it depends on what you need, but I was so happy when I was able to upgrade to boots that cost over a hundred dollars that last, look good, and actually fit right. Fast fashion boots always fell apart on me or would aggravate the problems I have with my falling arches and week ankles. I also feel better not throwing loads of cloths and shoes in the garbage. I used to buy thrift as much as I could. If I'm going to be throwing them away by the end of the year at best, I may as well pay no more than $10 on second hand.
@@thecloneguyz I don't know what the prices are these days because I've been retired for 15 years. I used to buy Wally World steel toed boot for $30 something dollars and if they lasted a year, that was good enough.
@@2-old-Forthischet Wally World boots tear the crap out of my feet. I changed positions in my facility about a year ago and needed metgards and steel toes so I switched from the steel toe sneaker line they had to the meta boots I have now. Went to a local redwing cobbler that has been in operation for generations where I live to have them inspected the other day and the old fella told me to hold on to them, they aren’t going to be making them this sturdy any more. Considering some of the weight I’ve dropped on these puppies in the last year and the steel hasn’t dented? That cobbler is my new best friend. Salesman at work (company contracts a shoe company to come in to get our shoes). tried to convince me that a pair of converse high-tops with a rubber insert in the tongue was an acceptable replacement for metgaurds…. Meanwhile I’m over here hoisting 4 and 5 thousand pounds inches from my little girl feet. Give me my redwings! I’ll pay whatever I need to go resole these puppies forever! Redwing king toe with metgard.
@@cwarts5461 lol
First off those are shoes...😁 im kidding .. I remember buying my first set of VIBERGS for fallin' in British Columbia, $ 550.00 . my first real set of boots . it was actually borderline a spiritual experience. that was 25 years ago. they have hens and chicks growing in them now in the garden. my son, who is a second generation tree climber says to me last week, Dad lets go down to Viberg , im gettin' a set . you should have seen him prancing them around. proud as punch . almost as proud as i am of him. he came home with 2 sets ..so did I which was a miracle ..Anyone reading this . spend money on good foot wear. customers need to support their makers. we all know there is many reasons this is happening , one main one .. I read a book called the ''Empire of Wood''. the MacMillan Bloedel Story. MacMillan said in that book something that stuck with me as a young man at the time . HIRE GOOD MEN , AND PAY THEM WELL . thx for the video
I had sworn off Red Wing 40 + years ago. Had real issues with the leather, it was grainy and weak. The retailer told me to get lost. I went to the factory and they gave me the same crap.
Wow. Really interesting video. And you posted the week I bought my very first Redwings (Moc toe 1907s). I am happy with my new boots, but I can tell they will need time to break in. I was happy with the price based on the materials and the fact they are made in the US. I am a Brit in England, but I’ve always wanted a moc toe boot as I lived in Wisconsin as a kid and remember my dad having some. No idea if they were Red Wings, but I always loved those boots of his.
Thanks for your great channel. I watched lots of your videos, as well as Stridewise, before going for the 1907s.
That’s an awesome choice. I have the copper iron rangers. It’s a versatile color. The Oro is pretty iconic in the moc toe but less versatile imo. Hope you get some great use out of them.
@@aradoran yeah, I am in my 50s, and wanted a more subdued colour. The Rough and Tough of the 1907s is perfect for me. And, the addition of the Norwegian storm welt made sense for just £10 more over the regular moc toe boot.
@@johnfranklin6394 oh yeah forgot about the storm welt. I like that look on Parkhursts boots either a storm or split welt.
they did this in the chelseas that they released last year. not kidding, im incredibly disappointed this is potentially the end of an era
Really!! I mean, no one has cut open the new Chelsea line boot but I wouldn't be surprised if they did just to save on costs.
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heres one at 6:53, poor nick is trying his hardest to remain calm
@@palomaresed wow, thank u my good man!
The company I work for gives us vouchers for Redwing work shoes every year. The first 2 years the shoes I selected messed my feet up pretty bad, so instead of free shoes I decided to buy my own work shoes. That is what I think of Redwing shoes.
Same here I hate Redwing garbage oiled the shit out of them but they wouldn't budge finally after barley being able to limp I just bought some keens they are cheap and disposable but at least I can count on them being comfortable from day one to the day I have to toss them
It probably is cost cutting. I used to wear exclusively Rockport shoes but about 25 years ago when they switched to offshore manufacturing they changed the way they were built. The change was obvious when you put them on -- the originals fit like gloves for your feet, the new ones fit like cheap shoes. Decent footwear makes a huge difference to the quality of your day.
Always loved my redwings, especially Irish setter versions. Few years back I tried Merrill’s mid top lace less and haven’t looked back. Far more comfortable, lighter, as durable and less than half the price. I keep 2 pair, one brown one black and alternate. Treat them with redwing products and it’s no comparison. Wear merino wool socks ( darn tough, or smart wool) and it’s like wearing slippers to work. Waterproof and warm, very lightweight. No reason to ever go back. High quality leather and can’t speak highly enough of the lace less design. For the price I have to recommend giving them a try. Redwing is still far superior than cat, wolverine’s, or timberland. Just no comparison to Merrill’s.
I've been wearing Keens for a while, comfortable and last twice as long as the walmart specials.
I worked construction for some months now and I'm soon going to change to a more casual setting but I'll still be on my feet and walking on concrete. My wolverines are holding up fine but I've been looking for a better boot for comfort and that fiberboard is a deal breaker
I could be wrong, but i'm pretty sure the last 3 or 4 models they've released including the chelsea, goretex moc toe, this iron ranger and a few newer colors of the moc toe have all had this poron insole. I'm not 100% sure on the newer moc toe colors as they're for the womens side and didn't look into them, but for now this is a trend they're clearly keen on continuing. That being said, they cancelled production on the chelsea relatively fast so that could be covid constrictions or unfavorable sales. We will just have to wait and see what's next off the assembly line. I'm hoping for more mens 8 inch heritage options personally 👍
Some 8” rangers like they made for Indian motorcycles!
I'm not sure on previous moc's but my wife has the legacy blue which was part of the more recent releases. It definately has some type of poron and not sure on the board. Though to be truthful all of her Red wings (Iron ranger, Clara, Harriet, Mocs) are like this with a poron (or poron like material) Not all are that recent so may just be a part of how the womens line have been consrtructed for some time.
Truthfully I may go for a pair of the Chelseas because of the comfort factor.
Use them as throw on quick beaters but will only buy at well reduced 2nds pricing.
@@Dcale A man can dream
I started wearing Red Wing boots in 1984. Bought my first pair of Pecos work boots at 16 and paid 105 dollars for them. My mom thought I’d lost my mind paying that much for a pair of boots, but those boots lasted for nearly four years. I wore RedWing religiously because of that fact until 1995/96. When I had to replace a pair twice in less than six months I switched to Wolverines and wore them until they started to cut corners and use inferior materials.
RedWing used to be the top of the list boot but now they are just overpriced junk. They need to go back to using quality materials and making them in the USA like they used to but they won’t because nowadays it’s not about quality it’s about making bigger profits.
Rose Anvil, i used to wear Red wing shoes in oil and gas with cover all since early year 2000, in on shore , off shore, petrochemicals, power plants, refineries, LPG, LNG plants projects. My comments, theyre good and proud to wear, durable, made in US of A..cannot exchange with other safety shoes. Ive worked in China for LNG plant projects as mechanical engg coach and bought 2 red wing shoes made in china, i think its fake but still proud to wear it as red wings.....I still have now remaining here 3 diff kinds of red wings shoes...the other 2 red wings shoes i used to give it to my friends.
I've owned 5 or 6 pairs of rw boots over the years. Paid hundreds of dollars every time. I actually liked 1 pair. They lasted 3 years which was mind blowing. Very hit or miss with these boots and for me it's mostly miss.
It seems like you’re right. Red Wing seems to be going more in a fashion focused direction, which I guess that’s what the heritage style always was. I mean I wear Iron Rangers all the time, but I’m not going to wear them to do any real work in. I think Thursday really changed the game with the casual heritage style boots and more and more people are getting into them. I think Red Wing is trying to follow the market right now. The people that wear boots to put them on Instagram and stuff prolly don’t care a whole lot about how the boots are made, just how they look so using cheaper materials isn’t going to matter. That being said, if I need to get another pair of Iron Rangers in the future and they aren’t the same as the ones I have now I’ll probably go elsewhere.
Bought a pair of thorogoods and they lasted about 6 months until the sole came loose in the front
Redwing, just like carhart they're trying to push sales to all audiences like office people instead of hard labor...
Would be interesting to learn more about the fiberboard. Hopefully its synthetic. Paper fiber boards used in archival picture framing are P.H buffered to neutralize acids that break down the material over time, while 100% cotton fiber board is preservation grade and lasts a relatively long time if not abused. Personally, I'd rather the boots stay mostly leather, because I use insoles that increase comfort immediately, and can easily be removed when worn out.
I've had a Helly Hansen Woodlands boot for five years. I used it actively (concerts, hikes, work, etc) and it was fine, except when I used for heavy duty constructions. Even though it was still kind of repairable i saw what was inside it. Basically it had a two layer eva midsole and a thick eva insole. The leather was about a milliméter thick Just as the fiberboard which disintegrated. It was a cheap sneaker advertised as a premium boot.
From that experience I uograded for a more expensive European made hiking boot which actually had standard certificatings (thoug mostly for breathabiloty and waterproofness. Its upper made from 2.2mm thick greased full grain leather + PU coated leather át its heels and cordura fabric, the inside has a watwrproof and breath able lining, meamwhile under the insole was a first soft wool fleece like lining which was stitched (every stitch hole sealed with some black spots) and after a while hardened and it became quote uncomfortable éven with the insoles
It was very comfortable boot when tried but after its PU mid and outsole has started to be soften i realised it does not have any shank. And after a while my feet starts to hurt in it.
The sewing over the toe area is likely to be harder on people with wide feet. It's bad enough it lacks significant arch room it now cuts into the toes too.
I don’t understand. The new toe liner has the exact same dimensions as the old liner. Nothing has changed in the vamp stitching pattern.
You can't beat the comfort of leather ,it becomes a part of your foot when broken in .
The best place to buy a pair of shoes would be a place that makes them by hand ,those shoes will out live you .
It's fun to see the boot community coming together in the comments 😂
I have a feeling too with the cheaper materials the bolts are still going to command a premium price-wise
I make RW boots in RW, MN. I can tell you the leather is higher quality than most leather. It's also made in a union factory, just like the boots made in RW. I've sewn together the boots and have worked with the canvas lining and the black lining as well. The black lining will wick away moisture better, hold up longer and keep your toes warmer in cold MN climates. As for the soles, part of that is I believe most people want comfort now and don't think of the long term wear. I hope this helps.
I used to be a Cobbler and repaired those many times. The soles are easy to remove by knife. The midsole is stitched on and the vibram sole is glued, edges trimmed and finished by fine sanding.
Almost bought a pair of these....I’m going with Whites.
White’s raised their prices ridiculously over the past 6 months, go with Nicks for the best value. Or Truman.
@@zachp5291 yeah during the pandemic they had a sale on a lot of boots too and I didn’t pull trigger. But yes can not go wrong with Nicks for the money and fully rebuildable.
My man, it’s ok to say no to sponsors from time to time.
I think I watched this video some time ago, but it was well worth my time to watch it again. I have worn Red Wings since the 1950s. I grew up about 40 miles from Red Wing, Minnesota, so it was a local boot. Always been comfortable. Now I am in my 70s and have a knee problem. I wear various shoes and boots, but I can put my Red Wing boots on and feel comfortable again, no matter how much pain I have had during the day working in the garden or around the house.
What a great review thank you for sharing. I think Red Wing should gift you a pair of boots! I bet they would if they saw this lol
I wouldn't mind if these were just Iron Rangers with a wedge sole and some phorene instead of cork. I think that would help with the break in process, but the boots would stay durable.
However I'd prefer there to be Iron Rangers with a more rugged outsole as a default option as the normal one is really bad in winter weather and not soft enough for grip.
I’m an all leather fan. I hope this is just an attempt at a different market. Was going to pull the trigger on a pair…not now! Thanks for showing us the truth about this boot.
I ONCE BOUGHT A PAIR OF SPEAKERS off the speaker designer for Linn Audio - they were HIS custom Linn Kan speakers. They weighed double the commercial product.
He told me that any "new development" a company tells you about is marketing speak for "we worked out how to make it cheaper...!" He designed the most perfect speaker he could and built it THEN the engineers worked out how to save as much money as possible and not totally ruin it. THEN the marketing team set to work coming up with BS reasons for the changes
"Its to wear in more easily and wick out moisture" is marketing speak for "we worked out how to make it cheaper"
I worked as a LTL driver and bought two pairs of Red Wing Worx shoes. I wore the first pair out. When I bought the second pair, I used them for three months and put them in the box and in my closet as I left driving. I took them out 3 days ago and the rubber soles have rotted. It's almost tar like. Just using a screwdriver with little effort I can gouge chunks off. I peeled the soles off like stuck pancakes to a pan. for 130.00 dollars you would expect them not to be made of stuff that goes bad. This had to be something they designed into the shoe. Makes me think it was done on purpose so you keep buying more. Long gone are leather sole shoes that can be resoled several times. Everything is disposable now.
We do have the right to be mad at Red Wing! I would rather see them raise the price than reduce their quality like so many other brands have done over time. I want those traditional, quality construction materials and methods to be available to me, even if I to save a little longer to get them.
What is it going to take for AMERICANS to stop buying Chinese junk at a reduced price from a factory with 14 year olds assigned to quality control ??
Like I've said over and over. If they want to make a "comfort heritage" line and market it for what it is, and at an appropriate price, but also keep the standard heritage line the way they are intended to be as a true heritage product, they could come out on top of this with a solid win, and more products that meet more of the market demands. Unfortunately I really think they might have the wrong mindset going here. The local franchise store that's been redwing for 50 years got dropped. Lucky they got new brands in, but it's sad that I feel redwing is being so stubborn they want exclusive contracts, but won't stock products. When they ran the classic Chelsea at first they tried to pass all this off like it was not a complete change from the other heritage line products. Anyway, that's my rant. Sorry guys. I'm just kinda disappointed in redwing, and they have been my trusted go to for like 15 years 😫.
Absolutely agree. I work at a red wing dealer and we have always had "comfortable" heritage models that sport everything that they should but they throw in a pretty thin, either muleskin or really thin polyurethane insert to minimize the break in. I own about 4 different pair of heritage from different family's. And all of them I use an insole. It is a style choice but I know what I get when I want a certain pair of boots. I don't think red wing as a company needs to try and please everybody and cater to the different niches. They've done this in the past by releasing around 5 new boots a year and they all fall flat on their face. Make a few boots and make them well is all we ask.
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT !! 😊
Heritage line has always been for people that don't work for a living.
@@junicohen7918 that's a crock of shit. I wear classic mocs for roofing. There's all kinds of people who wear heritage boots for work, and there's also your whole group of guys who wear them for style. I believe I use them as a healthy blend of both.
@@ThomasSteed try the normal red wings.yoy will see
If they rebranded the shoe as the "Urban Ranger" with leather exterior but synthetic sneaker-style interior for comfort and Lug/Sneaker hybrid sole (for urban hiking/light hiking) and sold it for $100 less, I would be on board with that.
Those would be chinese or asian made, like my redwings are. Yup, made in vietnam! and they look damn good. They obviously have some money grubbing leadership, that has pointed out that they can make $40-$60 more by cutting corners. These grubbers fail to tell them that in a few years, they will be robbed blind,when the asian company starts their name brand, with the same asian quality that redwing sells.
I think this is the classic boot company evolution to a dead end. You start cutting cost, which instantly increases profits, happy shareholders, customers barely notice. Then you keep cutting because management/investors love it and sales don’t seem to be decreasing too much. Eventually you reach critical mass when the tastemakers realize quality is gone and they move on. Then you become an empty brand-husk to sell to private capital to trick people who heard the brand is good.
They have been sliding down this slope for years. There was a time when you knew you had quality when you bought Redwing. Now, only if it is their heritage line. Soon, not even those.
Same is happening with Woodland in India .
Calm down