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The Future of Fencing?
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- Опубликовано: 16 май 2023
- We speak to Johnny from Moore Concrete about the future of fencing. Concrete vs timber, which is best?
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Only two months ago... I'm Australian and even I've heard of the slowness of of some parts of the UK... I think we used concrete posts for our sheep when I was 14.. some 38 years ago.. our Farmers make their own to replace their timber ones that burn away every 10 - 7 years when the bush fires come through. Those concrete posts we put in are still there, and may last for 500 years when the sun kills the last plant life on earth...
You need to know that, in Australia, we have had reinforced concrete fencing posts, strainers, stays, etc. for at least 60 years.
And our (in Australia) timber posts last 50 years - in the Non tropical parts anyway. But I don't understand how they'd be so far behind if their timber only lasts 5-10 years!
Thanks for putting a spotlight on these 😃 about time someone came up with something that actually fit for purpose 👍
In New Zealand here, we are turning waste plastic into fence posts, more durable and better for the planet!
Interesting tell me more 🤔
@@Sc-dp5ymmake sure you wear good goggles when your hammering the staples into the plastic posts.,
And don’t buy the hollow posts
Here in New Zealand concrete posts are a thing of the past decades ago..
we had plastic posts in N.Ireland maybe 25 years ago, I remember Dad having a pile down the back of the shed for years, they were down the back of the shed for years because they suuuuuucked, an absolute prick to drive a staple into, and sometimes chunks would break off with the whole staple in it, the NZ idea isn't new, but I'm not sure if the NZ one is a new method for making them, a refinement of the process or just a "new" imported idea
Thank you, I had the same immediate reaction.
Here we are in 2023 desperately looking for ways to decarbonize our economy (or at least that's what we should be doing) and concrete is getting better but will remain a carbon heavy product long after we've transitioned to green steel and the likes.
When recycling plastic there is a LOT that can not be sorted to be used to make high quality products like bottles or garments. You see a lot of these heavy base plates for traffic signs made from an amalgam of molten plastic waste. It doesn't look too pretty but thinking something will serve a purpose for decades to come which otherwise would end up on a landfill or be burned in a fossile powerplant is much preferable.
GOODJOB BOUT TIME THERE IS SOMETHING QUALITY LIKE THIS ON THE MARKET.
No need to shout 😂
Local fending contractor has started using these, have to say I was sceptical but they appear to work. One BIG drawback is the weight, both for transporting and for lifting in place. Wood treatment has got to the point it is useless less you get creosote, even that is not as good as it was. I have some land that backs onto an old railway line that was build 120 years ago there are still some of the original posts in place and even the odd rail. More rails would have been there but the nails have rusted away. If you cut a post up it is black all the way through to the core. ( I believe they used to boil them back then. Like the man says I think this is the future wire will last well over 25 years if you buy good quality ( I have some) interesting point that I don’t have the answer for is wood posts will last 2 or 3 times longer in clay than they do in sand. If you put them in a dry sand bank they will be rotted in a few short years🤷♂️
I think you will find that NZ has been using concrete fence posts for at least 50 years, different shape but still concrete.
In Australia they have been using concrete troughs for 60 years.
I buy all the second hand ones I can find, $1 each compared to $20 for a wooden one. Cheap fencing!
Concrete is definitely made to last. I’m 62 & when I was a boy they widened the road past our farm. The original bank & hedge was replaced by a post & wire fence with concrete posts. Apart from a couple that have broken down the years those posts are as good as the day they went in. The wire has been replaced a few times though.
Maguire's Rule For Drainage
This is the catalyst that created the modern economic era.
Maguire's Rule -- Vary the gradient of the fall of a pipe with the diameter of a pipe and the pipe is self cleaning with low and intermittent flow rates.
Maguire's Rule applied to sewers.
Thus sewers that had been open so they could be unblocked when they blocked up however this created an acute problem with disease.
Applying Maguire's Rule society can move from open sewers that create an acute problem with disease too sealed sewers as the pipe is self cleaning with low and intermittent flow rates.
Sealed sewer pipes drop in disease urbanisation.
Maguire's Rule for drainage is the catalyst that really created the modern era.
From Maguire's Rule for drainage modern plumbing developed thus rising population and rising population density in urban areas resulting in more competition using the Capitalist Economic Model.
From Maguire's Rule for drainage being to vary the gradient of the fall of a pipe with the diameter of a pipe the modern Global Capitalist Society developed.
Challenge anyone to refute the above.
Comments welcome
@@CENTRIX4if I had to be super technical I’d say physics created the modern economic era because cheap power provided to the masses is how you bring people out of poverty. All our tech using radio waves, electricity, motors, factories, etc is all because of physics. Increase in agricultural production is because of physics for the most part because we’re tech heavy, not technique heavy. Society always starts with agrarianism.
@@victorygarden556 Valid points however modern plumbing is the core reason that created the modern economic era and it started with Maguire's rule For Drainage.
Vary the gradient f the fall with the diameter of the pipe so drains are self cleaning with low and intermittent flow rates thus they do not block up.
As they do not block up using Maguire's Rule sealed drains drop n disease urbanisation.
The formula Maguire's Rule For Drainage is the catalyst that created the modern economic era.
In an ideal world the traditional timber post fence is only there to assist with establishing a hedge.
the dying art of hedge laying was a solution to this
Friend we have ZERO hedge in America, will you teach me how to do it?
Concrete Fence Posts makes prefect sense - the best investment a farmer can make - it ads value to the property as they never need to be replaced. Good on you guys for making these in UK. We make them in Australia! Best of luck with your business. 👍
Been around for years in Australia, good job they look great
Had these as the corner post since the 50s around where I live. Still standing.
Also used old rail road track
Best promotional video I’ve seen in my life
wood posts work great in nz and will usually last as long or outlast wire, over here the strainer is the gate post
I think different treatment might be allowed down in NZ, CCA perhaps
Quite common here in Uruguay. Some concrete post fences have even been replaced again by timber post fences. I have just used some disused ones to build a loading ramp. So although they last forever, there seems to be another drawback.
I used to make tonnes of links for Moore concrete using a CNC stirrup bender for tractor load bearing slats. Those guys make some stuff
It would be handy to put some holes in the posts for stirrup wires and eye bolts, but on the other hand you have a great set up well done.
I'll be real curious to see if they adopt that new science that's discovered the secret of Roman concrete. Imagine fenceposts that last a thousand years, getting stronger with every rain rather than cracking and falling apart on you!
concrete when paired properly with lyme and calcium, will hardeen for the next 30 years. Thats ALL concrete.
@@wjgoh653 Yeah, but that Roman concrete self-heals and lasts thousands of years. Think about that. Eternal Fenceposts!! Talk about a selling point!
@@wjgoh653Only when there is moisture present. That's how concrete gets tougher, hydration makes it grow.
Fantastic product weldone to this company
In Australia, there is a DIY system to make reinforced concrete posts, some farms have been using the system for over30 years
It's cool what you can do with concrete😉👍
Nice video👍👍
Make space for small solar panels on the top of the posts, power could be used to run lighting etc etc.
In my garden I have larch posts my farther put in 40 years ago ! Do it right do it once quick grown pine is useless!!!!
Would look nice with lattice timber infill on residential projects/commercial landscaping.
great idea
Pretty much the exact same thing was designed in New Zealand during world war 2 or maybe 1? Due to shortage of timber for posts i believe. Posts are still available and the old ones half of then are still perfect others the steel inside would rust and concrete would crumble
I wonder is it steel fibre concrete they are using then you have no rebar inside them
I like the idea that concrete fencing, definitely interesting!!
Great interview..😊
Our cattle don't need fences .... electric collars do away with the need
5% levy on all concrete products in the republic from September. Will this affect taking it across the border I have to wonder. Be Fantastic to see these as part of a tams grant
We've had these in Ireland for decades now, it's not like it's a new invention 😂
Interesting video, good fencing product.
Without sounding like a yoghurt knitter 😮 And to play devils advocate concrete is not an eco friendly thing. The cost to the environment in cement production aggregates massive cost to the environment ??????
Use oilfield pipe fencer here, galvanized post for high end projects
Farmer G should plant a native hedge and trees along the lane.
Love it but the shipping costs from NZ to US would be significant. Any plans to manufacture them in the US?
They're not coming from NZ
It's good to see that Britain is catching up with the rest of the world 😊 This is at least a 5 decade old type of fencing.
This is not new in Britain but is new for this company.
@@choncord The way they are talking it up, you would think they invented the idea.
Some of the drawbacks, you will need at least two people to install it, unless you want to do your back-in.
Installing on steeper ground is going to be a lot harder than with wooden posts.
H&S, If one of those posts falls on you, the risk of injury is significantly higher.
Harder to make adjustments, especially compared to wood, and can you make changes once installed?
Can every customer afford the higher upfront cost to install?
How good is that for the environment considering climate change? Especially moving forward.
It looks nasty and if that starts springing up everywhere, people are going to start complaining.
I use timber posts, M way rails and dig a tight hole with a graft, usually some old hardcore, root or something in the way, but I smash it on my own, no machinery just few bags postcrete
To be fair as long as a post is UC4 treated it should last longer than 5 years 100%, just bad quality sourcing as they clearly aren't UC4 rated if they aren't lasting that long. Obviously these concrete post you have developed will out last any UC4 rated post. Concrete is always the best option if you want longevity even when compared to most metal fencing products.
No worries about creosote
How is the wire fixed to the posts?
There’s a slot down one side of the post that you can nail into. I assume it’s a hard plastic
Yeah thats right 😊
Concrete posts have been around for many decades.
How do you put staples in them ?
There is a plastic strip down the middle
This would probably sell in Australia. Unfortunately, concrete is being demonized due to net-zero, in spite of there being eco-friendly concrete options.
"probably"..????
Concrete posts have been commercially available in Australia for at least 60 or 70 years.
Concrete fencing has been used in South Africa for over 50 years
Fantastic idea….. they have their place in certain areas on farms but at the end of the day it ALL comes down to price BECAUSE SOME farmers are too short sighted 🙄
or just dont have the money
There's an opportunity cost with everything. Might not be short sighted, they might want to put it into stock / machinery instead
Interesting
I wonder are they using steel fibre concrete in them without rebar... seems like the job... now the creosote plant is closed in Ireland these should be a great time to get these out...
Pre-tensioned rebar? ruclips.net/video/dixFcjCNIwM/видео.html
I don’t know where you guys have been rhyme 62-year-old and when I was a child every fence down someone’s garden with concrete posts and strainers and wire no idea why they stopped making them back this side there is nothing new.
Concrete has been around for a long time, timber was cheaper thats why its not used very often, here in Australia we only have posts as Straining Posts in a paddock situation with a 300mm to 400mm radius, the rest are Star Pickets, Star Pickets will last for a life time, Straining Post will last a life time, so it might be different in GB but here in Australia when we talk farms we are talking in the thousands of acres, large cattle stations in central australia, we are now talking thousands of sq miles, so concrete posts here in australia would only be used for a decorative reason, around a house for an example..
Fair point
300 to 400mm radius? Maybe you meant 300 to 400mm diameter.
We manufacture and supply thousands of concrete posts across Australia - they outlast timber and steel every time and withstand all the harsh conditions of our country. Nothing dectorative about them - they are used case they are tough and practical and last a lifetime!
Been in Australia for years and being used less and less
The spacers they are stored on are ? Timber 😊
Good marketing and knowing a " politician" , you can get anything into the market front runner.
Precast concrete post are like unicorns in the USA. We have heard of them but never see them.
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I'm from the south could I get a web site and contact for this fencing system
Moore concrete
www.moore-concrete.com/
Any thoughts on the removal and waste handling at the end?
Probably be broken up and used that way.
Wonder how many of these break when being hammered in ?
I dont think that many.
This was done in NZ in the 50's and 60's now every one is switching back to wood.
Red deer farming is a nightmare for fencing.... I am always interested in fencing as it is our biggest expense.
considering we are quickly running out of the type of sand used for making concrete, I am not sure inventing new ways to use concrete is the best idea. Not to mention, wooden posts are more environmentally friendly and cheaper. Oh and.... We have had the same timber posts in our fencing is nearly 15 years old now and still as good as they were new.
Those 15 year old posts were likely treated with creosote which is now banned because it wasn't environmentally friendly
At the moment I'm lucky to get 3 maybe 4 years out of treated timber posts. It's bloody heartbreaking.
@@JamesCM793 are you getting the cheap, new growth softwood posts? If so it's not surprising. I know someone who has hickory posts his great grandfather put in the ground.
Needs to get them on the stewardship fencing list 👍 would worry about using the post banger on them after spending all that money
Like they said we were running out of oil, born yesterday 😂
Just use black locust post
Good for 70+ years
We used concrete strainers in orkney islands all time
What do you think of them?
all fences were with hig tensile barb wire or shire and seeing concrete posts that can be diven with hammer are amazing however ground we had was very hard and jcb was often used to dig post hole.
They'd be OK but not with steel rebar. Better to use basalt rebar in that climate.
None of this is new.Concrete fencing,barriers and walling have been around a long time.Possibly new to the agricultural industry but that's about it.There was a company in Carluke,Scotland made/supplied this stuff for decades.
Concrete does not last for ever and the brake when in solid ground , and the area I live in they will not drive in , flint , flint and more flint then ball chalk
Nothing new, people used concrete decades ago for fence post in US. Most i see still are not even being used or have been removed.
How about another video showing other products your company makes
It's coming 😁
Not sure if i trust someone who puts the wire on the wrong side . When the cow pushes the wire the post has to be behind it . The way these guys build when the cow pushes the staples pop out the post.
It was the farmers decision...
@@Grassmen Want to extend the life of concrete post more ? Melt waste styrofoam in a solvent and then paint the post with said . Sometimes mineral salts get into concrete . Water proofing helps stop the leaching . Sometimes you will see wire corrosion where it touches the concrete.
Why don’t you put brown color in it
Would be nice 👍
Quit stealing my ideas
And it's tan color, and you paint some darker grain patterns on top...
won't it harm the concrete bashing them in?
Nope, well ours didn't get damaged
Put a rubber pad on it
@@djhago3123
No sex talk, plz
I can see a few black tumbnails hitting the staples in on these😂
🤣🤣 thankfully none this time
I know what the secret is of the posts. There is a wooden strainer inside the concrete.
😂😂😂
They lean in wet black soil. They take the fence down with it over time. Tried them and they’re too top heavy.
Black soil has its challenges for just about everything.
Concrete 😅
oh no, we over here had this things coming 60, 70 years ago. "Never fence again! These things outlast your grandchildren!"
Fiddlesticks!!! They corode, are extremely heavy, hard to work with and are a pita… And concrete, you know? Aren't there more important things to made out of the last sand resources? (Yes, sand is a thing!)
Last sand, like the last oil they said, you born yesterday 😂
If you dont get them battered in straight they look horrendojs.
That also applies to wooden ones pal!!👍🏻
Wood looks great thought when pissed 😂 what a strange comment
Good product but the weight is the killer for haulage and handling. Noticed he just glossed over the weight issue. Also ok for decent conditions but if you hit the hard your stuck with the height. With timber you can rock spike first and if not quite getting depth cut a bit of bottom of post and repoint. Wouldn’t fancy doing that with concrete
@@hugoagogo9435 yes you won’t get many in the ifor Williams 🤣
Giant Crayons.
Future? Been used for 70 years
Nothing new about concrete posts.
What happens when a car or motorbike hits a concrete fence??
Same thing that happens to a wooden post. They either break or push over.
@@Agnemons car goes through a timber fence the car and everyone is generally fine. Car hits concrete fence the car is a write off and risk of serious injury/death goes up. For a motorbike is almost certain death when the hit something solid like concrete.
@@Washpenrebel Well, in my younger years I have had several friends who, whilst under the influence of certain beverages, managed to interact with fences of both types. And in no case was the vehicle written off or anyone injured.
In one particular instance the vehicle managed to wrap so much wire around the vehicle that individual (not going to name names here Peter) was unable to exit the car (possibly because he was barely able to walk) until the farmer found him the next morning. Needless to say he spent the next couple of days repairing said fence.
But this was 50 years ago when you could get away with silly things like that.
concrete fence post is nothing new i.e. auschwitz.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Captura-de-pantalla-2017-09-18-a-las-11.55.36.png