That is absolutely true, if you get hit you get hit. But how you get hit is just as important. Often these hand snipes are executed so fast in moments where the opportunities come and go extremely quickly and the cut itself is poorly executed. Often people don't have the control/skill to execute a quick and precise cut at the right moment so they just decide to hit you no matter what and that usually ends up being a flat hit or a very poorly aligned edge hit and considering that these "snipes" often don't have much force behind them and a person might be wearing leather gloves (as they should be) the actual damage will be small.
@@miroslavm2503That really doesn't matter on the defence side, though. If someone handsnipes you, you have no way of knowing if it will do zero damage or devastate your hands completely. A strong flat hit to the fingers can easily break fingers. People do not always wear gloves, and even if they do, they were rarely padded. So no, claiming a lesther glove will guarantee your safety against a flat hit is just wrong.
@@borislavkrustev8906 Yes I agree, a strong hit will break fingers... obviously it will, but often these strikes are not strong and they are not precise and more often than not the edge alignment is bad. In those cases and in a "real", martial, situation you would immediately know did you sustain damage or can you go on. A weal strike with bad edge alignment will cause small damage and you might get stabbed or cut in the head or chest in the same tempo since you were focusing on the hands. In any case I do think a lot of people, potentially less experienced, use the argument of "he needs to defend this no matter what" as a way not to work on their side of things. Cleary if someone attacks you need to defend, you can't know and neither should you ask yourself "" hmmm... is the edge properly aligned, did he do his solo drills well enough?", But the fact remains that if you get hit with a flat on a "non critical" target, you will know that and you will go on fighting. I know this from personal experience all to well. I got a cracked rib and broken one in a real fight, unfortunately, this a good equivalent of a strong but flat hit with a sword and in that moment it was like nothing happened. I got a slightly cracked rib after a stab with a Light saber, and finished the sparring and did another one after it. Fingers and ribs are not the same, but both of them you have plenty in reserve.
@@borislavkrustev8906 If a can sort summaries my point... we need to focus equally on both side of the story, both participants. I think there is a clear tendency to focus exclusively on the defending side by forgetting the fact that a bad attack will have consequences. The defending side should defend properly but the attacking side also needs to attack properly. There is not need to waste a good opportunity with a bad cut/strike, not enough power, bad edge alignment etc.. since the return price might be to all to high for just broken finger.
@@miroslavm2503 Of course. The same goes for hits anywhere else. Flat hits to the torso are very common and would also do absolutely nothing. But look at this only from you POV as the defender, and it doesn't really matter - you still failed to defend. As for the attacker - yes, you should always aim to hit well. But the handsnipe when done as described in the video.is one of those attacks that are the least risky to fuck up - even if you fail to do damage, you should still be able to exit distance safely.
Glad to say that this was my first HEMA workshop event ever and I'm so glad that I've met you for the first time here. Amazing lessons, still doing the drills since :D
What surprises me is how many people are utterly delusional about how much getting hit in the fingers sucks. A solid handsnipe with a foam LARP sword is enough to not want to repeat the experience, and I got a few hits like that that managed to numb my hand and make it harder to continue fencing. Now imagine that happening with even blunt steel. I'd normally make a hypothesis about how bad it would be, but I unfortunately managed to experience that firsthand. Blunt blade to the back of the hand, no great force behind it, just speed. My sword fell out of my hand and I promptly curled into fetal position. By some miracle, it wasn't broken, but I really don't want to know what happens if you catch a hit like that on the fingers instead. What I'm saying is that *even if* you are incredibly lucky and that hit to the hand doesn't make it go numb, it will definitely make you clumsier with it. And if you get handsniped multiple times...
It is curious how we were discussing about exploiting the Hand-Snipe as a resource recently at my club and then BOOM! You upload this. Very useful material to put into practice!
Oh hell no. I put on lens stabilization AND digital stabilization. And I STILL had to add extra digital stabilization in post cause the camera is so shaky. My cameraman needs to lower his caffeine OR just calm the fuck down :P That aside, thank you for taking the time to record, mate.
Oh, I see it in a totally positive note - sniping means shooting someone from where they can't see the attack coming until you get them. That's an awesome thing, bot a bad thing. Anyone smart should want to be good at sniping.
Handsnipe hate is just people excusing poor defense. Thank you for giving it the love it deserves.
That is absolutely true, if you get hit you get hit. But how you get hit is just as important. Often these hand snipes are executed so fast in moments where the opportunities come and go extremely quickly and the cut itself is poorly executed.
Often people don't have the control/skill to execute a quick and precise cut at the right moment so they just decide to hit you no matter what and that usually ends up being a flat hit or a very poorly aligned edge hit and considering that these "snipes" often don't have much force behind them and a person might be wearing leather gloves (as they should be) the actual damage will be small.
@@miroslavm2503That really doesn't matter on the defence side, though. If someone handsnipes you, you have no way of knowing if it will do zero damage or devastate your hands completely.
A strong flat hit to the fingers can easily break fingers.
People do not always wear gloves, and even if they do, they were rarely padded. So no, claiming a lesther glove will guarantee your safety against a flat hit is just wrong.
@@borislavkrustev8906 Yes I agree, a strong hit will break fingers... obviously it will, but often these strikes are not strong and they are not precise and more often than not the edge alignment is bad. In those cases and in a "real", martial, situation you would immediately know did you sustain damage or can you go on. A weal strike with bad edge alignment will cause small damage and you might get stabbed or cut in the head or chest in the same tempo since you were focusing on the hands.
In any case I do think a lot of people, potentially less experienced, use the argument of "he needs to defend this no matter what" as a way not to work on their side of things.
Cleary if someone attacks you need to defend, you can't know and neither should you ask yourself "" hmmm... is the edge properly aligned, did he do his solo drills well enough?", But the fact remains that if you get hit with a flat on a "non critical" target, you will know that and you will go on fighting.
I know this from personal experience all to well. I got a cracked rib and broken one in a real fight, unfortunately, this a good equivalent of a strong but flat hit with a sword and in that moment it was like nothing happened. I got a slightly cracked rib after a stab with a Light saber, and finished the sparring and did another one after it.
Fingers and ribs are not the same, but both of them you have plenty in reserve.
@@borislavkrustev8906 If a can sort summaries my point... we need to focus equally on both side of the story, both participants. I think there is a clear tendency to focus exclusively on the defending side by forgetting the fact that a bad attack will have consequences.
The defending side should defend properly but the attacking side also needs to attack properly. There is not need to waste a good opportunity with a bad cut/strike, not enough power, bad edge alignment etc.. since the return price might be to all to high for just broken finger.
@@miroslavm2503 Of course. The same goes for hits anywhere else. Flat hits to the torso are very common and would also do absolutely nothing.
But look at this only from you POV as the defender, and it doesn't really matter - you still failed to defend.
As for the attacker - yes, you should always aim to hit well. But the handsnipe when done as described in the video.is one of those attacks that are the least risky to fuck up - even if you fail to do damage, you should still be able to exit distance safely.
I like this teacher's personality.
Well, there is no accounting for taste ;) what exactly in the approach do you like?
Glad to say that this was my first HEMA workshop event ever and I'm so glad that I've met you for the first time here. Amazing lessons, still doing the drills since :D
Glad you found them useful :)
What surprises me is how many people are utterly delusional about how much getting hit in the fingers sucks. A solid handsnipe with a foam LARP sword is enough to not want to repeat the experience, and I got a few hits like that that managed to numb my hand and make it harder to continue fencing.
Now imagine that happening with even blunt steel. I'd normally make a hypothesis about how bad it would be, but I unfortunately managed to experience that firsthand. Blunt blade to the back of the hand, no great force behind it, just speed. My sword fell out of my hand and I promptly curled into fetal position. By some miracle, it wasn't broken, but I really don't want to know what happens if you catch a hit like that on the fingers instead.
What I'm saying is that *even if* you are incredibly lucky and that hit to the hand doesn't make it go numb, it will definitely make you clumsier with it. And if you get handsniped multiple times...
It is curious how we were discussing about exploiting the Hand-Snipe as a resource recently at my club and then BOOM! You upload this.
Very useful material to put into practice!
Glad you find it useful - I've been sitting on this footage for a few months.
Handshots are very common in Filipino Martial Arts, I like them. Defang the snake.
Damn, your camera man is tiiight!
Oh hell no. I put on lens stabilization AND digital stabilization. And I STILL had to add extra digital stabilization in post cause the camera is so shaky. My cameraman needs to lower his caffeine OR just calm the fuck down :P
That aside, thank you for taking the time to record, mate.
@@borislavkrustev8906 This honestly made my day :3
Sheds a manly lens stabilized tear of digitally stabilized joy :'3
People calling it a snipe is a weird way to assign moralism to it as a form of cope.
Oh, I see it in a totally positive note - sniping means shooting someone from where they can't see the attack coming until you get them. That's an awesome thing, bot a bad thing. Anyone smart should want to be good at sniping.
@@borislavkrustev8906 I agree with that assessment. Great video btw. I especially like those games y'all played.
Handsniping is when you snipe the hands, duh ;)
Fuck, what did I just spend an hour on...