Thank you Martin for another fabulous video.... Not feeling to well at the moment, so I got up and headed for some pure escapism …. It worked.. feeling a bit better.. so back to bed for me ... xx
Wow driven past here 1000S of times on the m60 and I always wondered what old lines ran through this area... great work lads for documenting this ....😆
Once again spent an enjoyable period watching your exploration of the Clifton line. I take it the disaster you refer to is the collapse of "Black Harry Tunnel" because of mines of Clifton Hall Colliery. A forgotten Manchester disaster. The tunnel as far as I know was used to store explosives during WW11. Some trains diverged from the line the Clifton line at Molyneaux Brow Junction under the Clifton line as you accurately say to come out near Monton Green and the old Patricroft (LNWR) shed towards Liverpool and the first railway jct I the World at Kenyon Junction, another lost station. Apparently the line to Bury was opened by the Duke of Wellington who was lunched at Bury Bolton Street station in the old HQ which was sadly knocked down by British Rail ways on a Sunday in the 70's but which I remember. It was the first line to Bury followed subsequently by the line from Castleton at the time it was named Blue Pits. The Whitefield line now Metro was the third line. The Rossendale Company paid the Manchester & Bolton a percentage for every passenger that went over their metals into their terminus which was in Salford because Victoria was still in the future. The M&B thought they were being short changed an some passengers weren't accounted for. This led to the famous Battle of Clifton Junction when some heavies from the M&B put timbers obstructing trains until they counted such passengers. As your timetable shows there was a direct service from Skipton to Manchester via Clifton until '66. In the down direction earlier trains in Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway epoch the section from Stubbins Jct to Accrington had featured slip coaches a rarity in Lancashire. Basically there was an extra guard in the last coach which was equipped with special apparatus and was the white knuckle ride of all rides. It was slipped i.e. detached when the train was in motion, usually on downgrade so the train hadn't to stop. There was an independant brake in the carriage and the apparatus ensured the vacuum brake was not compromised for the train. Going down Baxenden Bank the carriage would glide to a halt hopefully with passengers into the curved platforms of Accrington station. Health & Safety would never allow that today. It's nice with the Middlewood Locks development that the Mcr. Bolton & Bury Canal is at last getting some attention it deserves. The Clifton Aqueduct is a remarkable survivor. I think there was a landslide in the 40's and the canal side gave in and it was not used subsequently. The last narrow-boats carrying coal a few hundred yards to mills in the Daisyfield district near the old viaduct carrying the Bolton - Bury line. It was difficult to shift it by road by water-borne traffic ceased in the 60's. I am not sure but there could have been two canals near Clifton. The M, B & B and another one Fletcher's Canal. Though this could have been the same canal. Once the railway leaves Bury Bolton Street (originally Market Place then High Level as opposed to Bury's other station Low Level, later Bury Knowsley Street) you see a viaduct leaving to the left. This is the erstwhile Holcombe Brook line. A World Pioneer. Duck Kerr & Co asked the L&Y if they had a suitable branch line for the Electrification? The company was promoting a line in Brazil but needed to see if it worked. The Holcombe Brook line was therefore the first line in the World to have electrified overhead catenary. It used DC and the trains had pantographs to collect the current. They won the contract in Brazil. Bury's Whitefield line because of the gradients was electrified on the unique 12,000 DC third rail shoe on the top of the electrified third rail boxed in wood system during the WW I. system. The overhead system was replaced by third rail later to allow through running. Thank you for your endeavours but be careful on those viaducts 😁. M.
Mate, you have a gift. We are surrounded, in this country, by so much history. Not necessarily dramatic or of huge historical importance, but interesting, real and meaningful and badly needing documentation /filming. Your enthusiasm and care for local history is addictive. You know what is of interest, and have a real feel for what people want to see and know. As someone else has said, you should be on TV.
Thank you Peter much appreciated. I agree about documenting stuff. If that old station gets developed we will never remember how it looked. Thanks again
Martin love your work, I'm a Salford lad born Regent Road in 1954, now living in the far north of Scotland for my sins. Background on Mr Ashworth Station Master Molyneux Brow, Ashworth Henry born c.1824 married Edna West Christmas day 1855 at the Tiviot Dale Wesleyan Chapel, Stockport, gives his occupation as Station Master and place of residence as Molyneux Brow. In the census 1861 to 1891 he gives his occupation as Station Master, in 1901 he’s listed as a Retired Goods Agent & Station Master age 77. Henry died between 1901 & 1903. Station Master for over 40 years. Keep the memories coming, Nobby
Brilliant, as usual. I only discovered your work a few months ago, and I echo what others have said, you really should be on the TV with your own program. Both creative and engaging film. Again..... Absolutely brilliant! Thank you!
I totally agree that you should have your own spot on local or national tv...as an industrial historian you're brilliant Martin. Hope you get spotted soon 🤞😉
Arthur askey and the bbc blips! I love this old comedy and all the hysterical characters in it. I'll just get a look at it one more time its fun to look at. I can really appreciate your vid Martin, thanks for the pleasant diversion
Martin I subscribed to your channel when you had a few hundred subscribers and now it's amazing to see the growth of your channel from one video to the next. As always thank you for making content that is truly worth watching.
Hi Martin. Stumbled on to your channel a couple of weeks back. It's BRILL..So much so, your's is the only one I've subscribed to. Your presentation skills should be on the telly.. But in years to come you'll be doing a vid " On what telly was?" Keep up the good work. Geoff.
Im making this comment because i thought to share a brilliant use of an abandoned railway. In Pinellas Co Florida they converted the WHOLE railway to a bike and walking trail. I used 32 of the 48 miles to get around from my house to my Veterans Hospital. It did continue but i never went the whole way. At parts it was only 2 blocks from the beaches. It was a lovely stress free way to get around. To bad yours couldnt have been used for recreation. Also it was wonderful for walking the dogs. There were enough spots along the way to get a beverage and a bite that Sundays it was VERY busy. AND NO CARS
Great video mate. I often used to ride my bike the old lines and the Manchester, Bury and Bolton canal back in the early eighties. Still manage a walk there every now and then. There is a then and now picture on your Facebook feed I posted showing the Clifton Viaduct. Keep up the good work my friend. 👏
This is high quality content & takes us back to a forgotten era - the foundations of great industrial nation sadly neglected now. Please keep making these videos, they give some soothing sanity in an increasingly mad time.
I've been down there today on my bike, I've gone down what's now called the outwood trial which finishes in Radclife, all along there are reminders of the old line, there's a old platform that once had a plaque explaining the old lines use but someone has stolen it a few years ago, I pick up the old camel in Radclife which also has some fine reminders of the working camel, including a old steam crane. Thanks for this video, it's my neck of the woods and been going there since I was 5 and I'm now 60, some lovely memories 👍
Whenever I see such place I always feel given that so much effort went into building these things, but now they just lie abandoned. The passage of time...
I greatly appreciate your efforts in uncovering Manchester's Poetry, a poetry of our past that is expressed via pictures, footsteps and finally the utterances and breath of the people who helped build what we now benefit from. We stand upon their shoulders today and must not forget. Thx.!
Man I love watching this both for the history aspect as well as you guys are just fun to listen to. Hey to Connor,so good to see you two making new work. I think we all have vivid imaginations in common,and I truly hope to meet you all when I make it to Manchester. Thanks guys!
Another cracking video Martin you certainly have a gift with story telling , when I listen and look at whats left of the railways as you describe it it brings to mind the steam trains I lived at the side of as a youngster and the disused railway lines near us that I now walk and ride my bike on where once I went trainspotting . I cannot wait for part two, its a shame about the disused canal what a feature that was.
Great stuff. Enjoying your series of videos. As a Yorkshireman now living in South Africa but more familiar with North & East Yorkshire interesting to know the Lancashire history.
Absolutely excellent again Martin! Thank you and regards to Connor. That area of Manchester is jammed packed with history and remnants of the past, too much to mention! Bring on part two! 👍🙂
Another beautifully crafted video, perfect soundtrack. I especially liked the echo effects. Painstakingly researched - Martin you are an artist! And very brave to get into some of these really dangerous, out-of-the-way places.
Dankeschön Martin Zero für dieses schöne Video. Ich freue mich immer sehr, euch hin und wieder begleiten zu dürfen. Hoffentlich bis zum nächsten mal.👍🏻💖👋🏻👋🏻
Another great video, Martin. I'm looking forward to the next episode. There's something very sad about a disused railway. It's almost as if those places had lived and breathed at one time.
Brilliant video Martin! This was my playground in the 70s. The viaduct was easily accessible back then. No fences or trees. I myself have long since departed that area. I live nearer to Marsco now than the Irwell Valley but thank you for showing places that I’ll always remember! I was around there when the motorway was being constructed and remember vaguely Molyneux brow station. What sticks in my memory most was all the trees in the area with a white line painted around them that where going to be felled for the motorway. Cheers, Russell
Another good video! The trees are Silver Birch (the bark is excellent for starting kindling when lighting a wood fire) The Canal (if you carry on) goes through the epically named Knob End! The reason it is drained is due to subsidence where the canal passes round a hillside and was not constructed as stably as needed (the Clifton Fault caused it to fail?) There was a branch off the canal that led to Wet Earth Pit. The pit shaft is near the "lagoon" dug when building the motorway! As you stood over the motorway the blue building behind you was Pilkington Tiles .... long gone into the list of great industries lost to history! The factory was sited there because of clay deposits (opposite side of the "new" motorway (Death Valley) One thing missing from the map was "Swinton Sidings" an area of sidings once used for storage of usually freight carriages. I'll stop waffling now, but it is nice to see you on my side of town ;0)
Martin, I was almost crying at the ghosts of the station How utterly amazingly beautiful the old railways appear today... good times. IT DONT GO NOWHERE 😢 I use 13 arches asa reference point to get off the M60 for my friends house J17? And an aqueduct! Thank you so much for the video guys 🚂
Thanks for another great video (discovered you today). The state of the viaduct makes me a little sad, as it shouldn't be expensive to clear it, but great job at filming it. I always considered taking photos (and filming) of something that doesn't have to be there next year extremely beneficial.
Hey Martin, Great video, there is lots to explore in this area I walk the dog down here all the time. If you carry on down the Outwood Trail Ringley Road station is still pretty well intact. The Bolton Bury Canal is also a great walk through history, follow from where you were to Elton Reservoir it's a great walk!
Great video Martin,that is my neck of the woods, I lived in Prestwich on the hills overlooking the Irwell Valley for the best part of fifty years. You couldn't wish for a better place in Manchester to live.,We spent hours when we were kids playing and exploring round there and then as an adult, hours more more walking the dog. The remains of the cobbled road that lead to the old station are on the hill to the right just as you come off the motorway bridge. If you follow the road to its conclusion you arrive at the gates of Philips Park. I think I'm right in saying the Philips family,who lived in the park, requested the road to built so as they could use the station. Roll on part two.
@@daviddearden6372 A section of Prestwich hospital was and in fact still is fairly close, its function is that of a low secure unit. I don't think the station was used to serve the hospital as there is no sign of any access and the main gates were on Bury New Road which was easily accessed. I can't help wondering why the station was built in the first place,it's in the middle of nowhere,there is a house on the hill close by and there used to be a row of about four houses near the arches and that's it. A station for five families, no wonder it closed down.
I realized I was wrong when i looked at the old maps , the station is on the earliest 1840/50 maps which predates the establishment of what was to become Prestwich Hospital.
Love the ghost train one of my all time favourite films. Oak/Birch/Goat Willow/Elder are the tree’s that I saw on the bridge and the bur is a canker Martin hope that helps for future, great vid fella can’t wait for part 2👍
Another wonderful break from television . Thanks ! Your visual comparisons of the canal aqueduct and the RR viaduct were a real highpoint for me . You can see from building the canals and it's structures the hard tough lessons learned . This made building railroad lines much bigger and faster . Compare the difference in arch spans .
Great video Martin, although I live down south in Portsmouth, it's still interesting to see the remains of railway history in other parts of the country, up north. Your vids are better than alot of TV documentaries. Looking forward to part 2.
Cracking video Martin. I regularly ride on the the old railway track bed from the viaduct to Radcliffe and about half way up there is some very good remains of an old railway station with a platform still in situ.
As always, a great video Martin thanks very much. It's so sad how 'progress' seems to disregard the past. Those wonderful structures just sitting there forgotten and untended.
Great video Martin and Connor.....Wish i'd known you were planning this exploration, I possibly could've joined you, this is the area I bike through a few times a month on my way home, you'll have seen some of my Instagram shots and live vids from here, I'm glad you enjoyed yourselves, it's a great place to visit with plenty of history as you've already eluded to. I know what part 2 is partly going to feature but I won't say. If you follow the Outwood trail further up there a few more remains from the railway and the best one I noticed was an old concrete "Catch point" sign which I think has now collapsed. You can also access Hurst Wood along the trail, that is a higher point with views across Manchester and Salford but the treeline is, obviously, ever growing so the view is being compromised, Hurst Wood is such a peaceful walk/ride, you can rejoin the Outwood trail or access Whitefield via Copper lane ( pretty sure that's it's name) and Ringley road. I'm looking forward to Part 2 and the stories you have. Keep up the good work fellas. Dave. Ps. Did you spot the weathered old Bus stop sign at Clifton station? and also without seeing part 2....if you need any help finding certain areas give me a shout, I may be able to help but I'll watch the video first to see if you found them! Take it easy guys.
When u look st the quality of the workmanship and the hrs put in, into the bridges and canals that are no more. Its sad. In their run down state will still last longer than modern stuff. Love your work
Awesome! I’ve done most of that walk, though it was back in 1967 or so! I can’t remember exactly where I started, but it was somewhere around Green Street in Radcliffe, as I walked I remember walking past the remains of Radcliffe Bridge station. So, onwards over Outwood Viaduct, past the old coal sidings, the remains of Ringley Station, then on through a more rural setting until Molyneaux Brow. I don’t recall seeing any station remains there. It was quite a hike, matching my stride to the spacing of the sleepers the whole way. But back then, you could easily walk over the 13 Arches with great views in each direction. It wasn’t long after the pottery factory or whatever it was that it was plain that the disused line merged with the Bolton line and this walk had come to an end. It felt like a marathon, on that hot summer’s day, but it was just 3 miles each way.
hiya martin . still our favourite video of all and not an easy choice from all your fantastic videos ' class act mate ' all the very best from nick and tracy in wigan
The viaduct was cleaned of vegetation back in 1990 to stop tree roots from penetrating the stonework and British Rail had a Plan to use the bridge to put cables or a gas pipe on...I forget which. At the end of the aquaduct the as the canal made a sharp left turn towards Salford there was also another branch which turned sharp right towards a series of coal mines and leads up to Clifton marina. For part 2...please.. The battle of Clifton junction, East Lancashire Railway V Manchester and Bolton Railway , and I'll guess the tunnel story is .... well I don't want to spoil it for your ardent fans! Nice vid, there's so much to explore around that area you could do a whole series on it.
@@MartinZero it was the fletchers canal and had one lock on it the mbbc canal was sold off to lancashire yorkshire railways if you go down to agecroft line of canal you will see canal narrowed from wide to narrow with railway on top sounds daft but the railways plan was to fill canal in and use line for a railway
@@MartinZero Nice bit of info from Adelle there, where you were positioned at 19.50 mins did you notice the 2 pieces of broken brickwork facing you? They were either end of a packhorse bridge that stood at the junction of Fletchers and The Manchester, Bolton ,Bury canals. If i can find it I'll send you a photo of it, I'm pretty sure it's on the Manchester photos library website.
Yet another belter, never really been interested in railways in 40 odd years, now I want to walk the trail and find out more. Keep it up Martin, you’re getting us off the sofa👍
👍 I like the architecture, sad to see it disused, all the time that went in to the viaduct and it’s just left to rot. The overgrowth will take its toll one day. Did you get my Bloom St photos last week, this account doesn’t match my Twitter btw.
Thank you for yet another superb video Martin. If you haven’t done so already it’s well worth exploring further along the Outward Trail(Manchester, Bury and Rossendale Railway Line) to find the remnants of the old Ringley Road train station.
Thank you for uploading, this was very interesting to watch. My parents guide history walks in hampshire and one of them is the disused Gosport line. It's always lovely to see more of Britain 👌
Brilliant vid Martin, I caught a view of the Clifton viaduct regularly while travelling in the company van back from Warrington when I was driving coal trains there from ferry bridge power station, absolutely fascinated with railway history.
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Thank you Martin for another fabulous video.... Not feeling to well at the moment, so I got up and headed for some pure escapism …. It worked.. feeling a bit better.. so back to bed for me ... xx
Wow driven past here 1000S of times on the m60 and I always wondered what old lines ran through this area... great work lads for documenting this ....😆
Most interesting film I have seen on RUclips in ages. Please make more. I love industrial archaeology on foot!
Thank you very much. I have already made a few. But I will be making more
VERY WELL DOCUMENTED !! Thanks. You show just where we are and the invaluable maps are so very useful.
Thank you Michael
Once again spent an enjoyable period watching your exploration of the Clifton line. I take it the disaster you refer to is the collapse of "Black Harry Tunnel" because of mines of Clifton Hall Colliery. A forgotten Manchester disaster. The tunnel as far as I know was used to store explosives during WW11. Some trains diverged from the line the Clifton line at Molyneaux Brow Junction under the Clifton line as you accurately say to come out near Monton Green and the old Patricroft (LNWR) shed towards Liverpool and the first railway jct I the World at Kenyon Junction, another lost station. Apparently the line to Bury was opened by the Duke of Wellington who was lunched at Bury Bolton Street station in the old HQ which was sadly knocked down by British Rail ways on a Sunday in the 70's but which I remember. It was the first line to Bury followed subsequently by the line from Castleton at the time it was named Blue Pits. The Whitefield line now Metro was the third line.
The Rossendale Company paid the Manchester & Bolton a percentage for every passenger that went over their metals into their terminus which was in Salford because Victoria was still in the future. The M&B thought they were being short changed an some passengers weren't accounted for. This led to the famous Battle of Clifton Junction when some heavies from the M&B put timbers obstructing trains until they counted such passengers.
As your timetable shows there was a direct service from Skipton to Manchester via Clifton until '66. In the down direction earlier trains in Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway epoch the section from Stubbins Jct to Accrington had featured slip coaches a rarity in Lancashire. Basically there was an extra guard in the last coach which was equipped with special apparatus and was the white knuckle ride of all rides. It was slipped i.e. detached when the train was in motion, usually on downgrade so the train hadn't to stop. There was an independant brake in the carriage and the apparatus ensured the vacuum brake was not compromised for the train. Going down Baxenden Bank the carriage would glide to a halt hopefully with passengers into the curved platforms of Accrington station. Health & Safety would never allow that today.
It's nice with the Middlewood Locks development that the Mcr. Bolton & Bury Canal is at last getting some attention it deserves. The Clifton Aqueduct is a remarkable survivor. I think there was a landslide in the 40's and the canal side gave in and it was not used subsequently. The last narrow-boats carrying coal a few hundred yards to mills in the Daisyfield district near the old viaduct carrying the Bolton - Bury line. It was difficult to shift it by road by water-borne traffic ceased in the 60's.
I am not sure but there could have been two canals near Clifton. The M, B & B and another one Fletcher's Canal. Though this could have been the same canal.
Once the railway leaves Bury Bolton Street (originally Market Place then High Level as opposed to Bury's other station Low Level, later Bury Knowsley Street) you see a viaduct leaving to the left. This is the erstwhile Holcombe Brook line. A World Pioneer. Duck Kerr & Co asked the L&Y if they had a suitable branch line for the Electrification? The company was promoting a line in Brazil but needed to see if it worked. The Holcombe Brook line was therefore the first line in the World to have electrified overhead catenary. It used DC and the trains had pantographs to collect the current. They won the contract in Brazil. Bury's Whitefield line because of the gradients was electrified on the unique 12,000 DC third rail shoe on the top of the electrified third rail boxed in wood system during the WW I.
system.
The overhead system was replaced by third rail later to allow through running.
Thank you for your endeavours but be careful on those viaducts 😁.
M.
Mate, you have a gift. We are surrounded, in this country, by so much history. Not necessarily dramatic or of huge historical importance, but interesting, real and meaningful and badly needing documentation /filming. Your enthusiasm and care for local history is addictive. You know what is of interest, and have a real feel for what people want to see and know. As someone else has said, you should be on TV.
Thank you Peter much appreciated. I agree about documenting stuff. If that old station gets developed we will never remember how it looked. Thanks again
Great piece of history, very well done...
Well done research, maps and photographs. Stories and history quite engaging, heading over to part 2 now. Thank you!
Martin, i hope a tv company hire you. Your manner is impeccable! You make these vids so interesting. You're a natural.
its just really good stuff for everyone ; great film great musis great bloke . thamhs from wigan
Thanks very much Tracy
Martin love your work, I'm a Salford lad born Regent Road in 1954, now living in the far north of Scotland for my sins. Background on Mr Ashworth Station Master Molyneux Brow, Ashworth Henry born c.1824 married Edna West Christmas day 1855 at the Tiviot Dale Wesleyan Chapel, Stockport, gives his occupation as Station Master and place of residence as Molyneux Brow. In the census 1861 to 1891 he gives his occupation as Station Master, in 1901 he’s listed as a Retired Goods Agent & Station Master age 77. Henry died between 1901 & 1903. Station Master for over 40 years. Keep the memories coming, Nobby
That’s great thank you 👌
Very nice video Martin thanks again for sharing your love of local history with us here in Maryland 😃🏫🛤🚂📹🛶👍🏻
Thanks Daniel
Brilliant, as usual. I only discovered your work a few months ago, and I echo what others have said, you really should be on the TV with your own program. Both creative and engaging film. Again..... Absolutely brilliant! Thank you!
Thanks Rob very much 👍🏼
I agree
Me too,deffo should be on tv
I totally agree that you should have your own spot on local or national tv...as an industrial historian you're brilliant Martin.
Hope you get spotted soon 🤞😉
No, if he goes on TV he will lose his freedom. You can watch RUclips on your TV and enjoy it like it is now, top content! 👍👌
You've only gone and done it again. Another brilliant and eye opening video. Thanks. And some extra snippets of info in people's comments.
Yeah the comments are turning up some gems. thanks a lot Mark
Eye opening and compulsive to watch. Fabulous to see what we pass every day, oblivious to what used to be.
Found your channel a few weeks ago and I’m HOOKED! Keep up the great work please!
Thanks Sean
Arthur askey and the bbc blips! I love this old comedy and all the hysterical characters in it. I'll just get a look at it one more time its fun to look at. I can really appreciate your vid Martin, thanks for the pleasant diversion
I cannot thank you enough (again) for yet another history lesson and fabulous video. cannot wait for your next one. So many thanks
Many thanks Peter
Another amazing informative vidio.. lovely structure..good choice of music too.. thank you
Thanks Phill much appreciated
Martin I subscribed to your channel when you had a few hundred subscribers and now it's amazing to see the growth of your channel from one video to the next. As always thank you for making content that is truly worth watching.
Many thanks Scott and thank you for all your support
Hi Martin. Stumbled on to your channel a couple of weeks back. It's BRILL..So much so, your's is the only one I've subscribed to.
Your presentation skills should be on the telly.. But in years to come you'll be doing a vid " On what telly was?"
Keep up the good work. Geoff.
Im making this comment because i thought to share a brilliant use of an abandoned railway. In Pinellas Co Florida they converted the WHOLE railway to a bike and walking trail. I used 32 of the 48 miles to get around from my house to my Veterans Hospital. It did continue but i never went the whole way. At parts it was only 2 blocks from the beaches. It was a lovely stress free way to get around. To bad yours couldnt have been used for recreation. Also it was wonderful for walking the dogs. There were enough spots along the way to get a beverage and a bite that Sundays it was VERY busy. AND NO CARS
Fascinating as always Martin,always love the old maps and pictures,thanks for all your efforts
Thanks very much Mike
Great video mate. I often used to ride my bike the old lines and the Manchester, Bury and Bolton canal back in the early eighties. Still manage a walk there every now and then. There is a then and now picture on your Facebook feed I posted showing the Clifton Viaduct.
Keep up the good work my friend. 👏
I saw that picture am sure I replied.It was an amazing picture 👍
This is high quality content & takes us back to a forgotten era - the foundations of great industrial nation sadly neglected now. Please keep making these videos, they give some soothing sanity in an increasingly mad time.
Hello Florence thank you very much. Soothing sanity. I like that 👌
Always like before I even watch. This is gonna be good!
Grass Mask Overlord yep I’ll second that 😎
Same here too
Absolutely the same! 👍
Thank you
Grass Mask Overlord Same here!🙂 love these video’s from Martin!
I've been down there today on my bike, I've gone down what's now called the outwood trial which finishes in Radclife, all along there are reminders of the old line, there's a old platform that once had a plaque explaining the old lines use but someone has stolen it a few years ago, I pick up the old camel in Radclife which also has some fine reminders of the working camel, including a old steam crane. Thanks for this video, it's my neck of the woods and been going there since I was 5 and I'm now 60, some lovely memories 👍
Hi Mark yes its great for cycling round there. Whats the old Camel ?
@@MartinZero canal 😂
Martin Zero Was wondering that myself 'the old camel' mmmm strange 😂
And now Molyneax brow hasn't been lost to history. Another superb video Martin. It's inspiring me to explore my area now. Great job!
Thanks Julian. where you from ?
@@MartinZero Lincoln, we have spoken before
@@responderman Yes we have, my apologies
Again, brilliantly informative. Thanks Martin! Gives me ideas to take my little lad exploring some of these lost places around Manc!
Thanks Ryan, yeah be good that. 👍
Whenever I see such place I always feel given that so much effort went into building these things, but now they just lie abandoned. The passage of time...
once again thank you for making these videos, Looking forward to part 2
Hello and thank you
I greatly appreciate your efforts in uncovering Manchester's Poetry, a poetry of our past that is expressed via pictures, footsteps and finally the utterances and breath of the people who helped build what we now benefit from. We stand upon their shoulders today and must not forget. Thx.!
Thank you very much Paul appreciated 👌
Really enjoying your channel. Moved to Lancashire a few years ago and am enjoying learning about the local history.
Man I love watching this both for the history aspect as well as you guys are just fun to listen to. Hey to Connor,so good to see you two making new work. I think we all have vivid imaginations in common,and I truly hope to meet you all when I make it to Manchester. Thanks guys!
Hi Andrew hope your well. Yes be great to meet up 👍🏼
To actually see a beautiful old piece of Manchester with you guys adds something, and hey can always pub it after.
Great vid as always, looking forward to part 2. Keep em coming Martin👍👍🐝
Thanks very much Shane
Another cracking video Martin you certainly have a gift with story telling , when I listen and look at whats left of the railways as you describe it it brings to mind the steam trains I lived at the side of as a youngster and the disused railway lines near us that I now walk and ride my bike on where once I went trainspotting .
I cannot wait for part two, its a shame about the disused canal what a feature that was.
I agree with you. I cycle along the Old Woodhead route. I saw all the 76's lined up for scrap at Reddish depot
It was a great explore on this railway off to watch part 2 thanks.
Great stuff. Enjoying your series of videos. As a Yorkshireman now living in South Africa but more familiar with North & East Yorkshire interesting to know the Lancashire history.
Absolutely excellent again Martin!
Thank you and regards to Connor.
That area of Manchester is jammed packed with history and remnants of the past, too much to mention!
Bring on part two! 👍🙂
Hi Ian yes loads more stuff around there
Brilliant video, I always learn something new with your vids, can't wait to see part 2!
Thanks David 👍
Great video as always episode 2looks intriguing can't wait keep up the excellent work
Thanks very much Paul
Another beautifully crafted video, perfect soundtrack. I especially liked the echo effects. Painstakingly researched - Martin you are an artist! And very brave to get into some of these really dangerous, out-of-the-way places.
Brillaint video! I think this is your best yet. Love the name Molyneux Brow, it sounds so mysterious and it certainly still lives up to that.
Martin as before I absolutely love your work ... I’m a history buff and sooo proud of are heritage... keep going and please don’t stop mate .
Cracking Vid Martin. Looking forward to part2 and it’d be nice to follow the canal as well.
Thanks Steve, yeah I should follow it
Great video! Really like how you mix in artistic style with history.
Thank you 😊
Excellent video, look forward to the second one. Love your work guys 👍
Thanks very much Steven
Another amazing video Martin, I'm looking forward to part 2
Thank you Ray
Another amazing video Martin; thanks, once again... I'm impressed and, pleased with the (speed of) increase in subscribers.
Thanks very much. Yes I never thought I would get here 👌
Dankeschön Martin Zero für dieses schöne Video.
Ich freue mich immer sehr, euch hin und wieder begleiten zu dürfen.
Hoffentlich bis zum nächsten mal.👍🏻💖👋🏻👋🏻
Man, you should for sure be on the telly!!!!! Great video! Awesome man
Thanks very much Lee
Do people still watch TV.
I told him the same thing!
@@sw40c Channel 4 Sunday afternoon perfect time for this but hell all we will get are celebs making sponge cakes........:)
@@harrystevens3885 😆
Enjoyed this one Martin Looking forward for part 2 Thanks.
Thanks Liam
Love this video, Martin! I'm in Whitefield and had no idea of all this on my doorstep. Really interesting stuff! 👍
All not far from you Laura. Nice walk in summer 👍
Very amazing video well done and I love listening to your videos as I am blind and I am a white cane long cane user
Thanks mate
Nice one, looking forward to Part 2.
Thanks Brian, Its out tomorrow 👍
I'm fascinated by looking for remains of old railway stations on extinct lines.
Top drawer video Martin and cant wait for part 2.
Thank you very much
Another great video, Martin. I'm looking forward to the next episode. There's something very sad about a disused railway. It's almost as if those places had lived and breathed at one time.
Hello and thanks. yes I was touched by Molyneux Brow all those clues
Top bloke enjoyed the video, my dad showed it me, very intresting stuff and nice soundtracks by the way, 10/10
Brilliant video Martin! This was my playground in the 70s. The viaduct was easily accessible back then. No fences or trees. I myself have long since departed that area. I live nearer to Marsco now than the Irwell Valley but thank you for showing places that I’ll always remember! I was around there when the motorway was being constructed and remember vaguely Molyneux brow station. What sticks in my memory most was all the trees in the area with a white line painted around them that where going to be felled for the motorway. Cheers, Russell
Another good video!
The trees are Silver Birch (the bark is excellent for starting kindling when lighting a wood fire)
The Canal (if you carry on) goes through the epically named Knob End! The reason it is drained is due to subsidence where the canal passes round a hillside and was not constructed as stably as needed (the Clifton Fault caused it to fail?) There was a branch off the canal that led to Wet Earth Pit. The pit shaft is near the "lagoon" dug when building the motorway!
As you stood over the motorway the blue building behind you was Pilkington Tiles .... long gone into the list of great industries lost to history! The factory was sited there because of clay deposits (opposite side of the "new" motorway (Death Valley)
One thing missing from the map was "Swinton Sidings" an area of sidings once used for storage of usually freight carriages.
I'll stop waffling now, but it is nice to see you on my side of town ;0)
Hi Dave definitely a lot of subject matter around there
The canal not only had Knob End, but also Nickerhole Bridge! Of course, I just had to buy my first house near that!!
@@MartinZero You are not wrong there ;0)
@@laszlofyre845 exactly right n spot on nob end at locks and nickerhole bridge at end of camslane
Martin, I was almost crying at the ghosts of the station
How utterly amazingly beautiful the old railways appear today... good times.
IT DONT GO NOWHERE 😢
I use 13 arches asa reference point to get off the M60 for my friends house J17?
And an aqueduct!
Thank you so much for the video guys 🚂
Hi Phil I must admit when I watched it back I did enjoy that bit the most. Thank you 👌
Martin Zero
What is the old film Martin?
@@philtimson5449 Its called the Ghost train. Starring non other than Arthur Askey 😀
👏👏❤️😁Excellent history research and video thank you x
Thanks very much
Brilliant footage lads 👍cool explore look forward to part2 keep up the good work👌
Cheers mate. Plaque time for us soon 👍🏼
Thanks for another great video (discovered you today). The state of the viaduct makes me a little sad, as it shouldn't be expensive to clear it, but great job at filming it. I always considered taking photos (and filming) of something that doesn't have to be there next year extremely beneficial.
Another fantastic video Martin. Really looking forward to part 2. You really bring this type of industrial archaeology to life. Keep up the good work.
Hi Mark thanks very much. Yep I love this kinda stuff 👍
Spent a lot my youth around the area shown in the video ( happy times). Another great video Martin, looking forward to part 2. Thank you Martin 👍
Thanks very much David
Hey Martin,
Great video, there is lots to explore in this area I walk the dog down here all the time. If you carry on down the Outwood Trail Ringley Road station is still pretty well intact.
The Bolton Bury Canal is also a great walk through history, follow from where you were to Elton Reservoir it's a great walk!
Hi Matt yes I think I may need to investigate more. Deffo interested in the canal
Another great and informative video....look forward to episode 2👍👍👍👍
Thanks a lot Jay
Great video Martin,that is my neck of the woods, I lived in Prestwich on the hills overlooking the Irwell Valley for the best part of fifty years. You couldn't wish for a better place in Manchester to live.,We spent hours when we were kids playing and exploring round there and then as an adult, hours more more walking the dog. The remains of the cobbled road that lead to the old station are on the hill to the right just as you come off the motorway bridge. If you follow the road to its conclusion you arrive at the gates of Philips Park. I think I'm right in saying the Philips family,who lived in the park, requested the road to built so as they could use the station. Roll on part two.
Cheers Mike
Am I right in thinking that the old Prestwich Asylum was somewhere round there and the station could have been to serve it.
@@daviddearden6372 A section of Prestwich hospital was and in fact still is fairly close, its function is that of a low secure unit. I don't think the station was used to serve the hospital as there is no sign of any access and the main gates were on Bury New Road which was easily accessed. I can't help wondering why the station was built in the first place,it's in the middle of nowhere,there is a house on the hill close by and there used to be a row of about four houses near the arches and that's it. A station for five families, no wonder it closed down.
I realized I was wrong when i looked at the old maps , the station is on the earliest 1840/50 maps which predates the establishment of what was to become Prestwich Hospital.
Love the ghost train one of my all time favourite films. Oak/Birch/Goat Willow/Elder are the tree’s that I saw on the bridge and the bur is a canker Martin hope that helps for future, great vid fella can’t wait for part 2👍
Thanks Martin. The Ghost train was forced to watch at age 6 but it worked 😁
Another wonderful break from television . Thanks ! Your visual comparisons of the canal aqueduct and the RR viaduct were a real highpoint for me . You can see from building the canals and it's structures the hard tough lessons learned . This made building railroad lines much bigger and faster . Compare the difference in arch spans .
Great video Martin, although I live down south in Portsmouth, it's still interesting to see the remains of railway history in other parts of the country, up north.
Your vids are better than alot of TV documentaries. Looking forward to part 2.
Thank you very much. Yes I think disused railways no matter where are always interesting 👍
Cracking video Martin. I regularly ride on the the old railway track bed from the viaduct to Radcliffe and about half way up there is some very good remains of an old railway station with a platform still in situ.
Great video! Looking forward to part 2! Subbed - I mean who wouldn't? Your delivery is really good and your video engaging!
Thanks very much Ian I really appreciate it.
Watched again, great catch up. I looked for a picture of the station but no luck!!😎🚂🚃🚃🚃🇬🇧
What a fantastic video very informative, you have a new subscriber
Another interesting video Martin. Looking forward to part 2! 👍
Thanks Simon
As always, a great video Martin thanks very much. It's so sad how 'progress' seems to disregard the past. Those wonderful structures just sitting there forgotten and untended.
Yes Mike, criminal if either of them becomes unsound
I love how the Viaduct is still there...should not be removed, yet sad. Great content and video as usual...
Great video Martin and Connor.....Wish i'd known you were planning this exploration, I possibly could've joined you, this is the area I bike through a few times a month on my way home, you'll have seen some of my Instagram shots and live vids from here, I'm glad you enjoyed yourselves, it's a great place to visit with plenty of history as you've already eluded to. I know what part 2 is partly going to feature but I won't say.
If you follow the Outwood trail further up there a few more remains from the railway and the best one I noticed was an old concrete "Catch point" sign which I think has now collapsed.
You can also access Hurst Wood along the trail, that is a higher point with views across Manchester and Salford but the treeline is, obviously, ever growing so the view is being compromised, Hurst Wood is such a peaceful walk/ride, you can rejoin the Outwood trail or access Whitefield via Copper lane ( pretty sure that's it's name) and Ringley road.
I'm looking forward to Part 2 and the stories you have.
Keep up the good work fellas.
Dave.
Ps. Did you spot the weathered old Bus stop sign at Clifton station? and also without seeing part 2....if you need any help finding certain areas give me a shout, I may be able to help but I'll watch the video first to see if you found them!
Take it easy guys.
Hi dave thanks very much. I would like to go back to the area and film more of it. So if you want to guide us that wold be cool
This is such a good vid, 2nd watch,keep it up mate,brilliant
When u look st the quality of the workmanship and the hrs put in, into the bridges and canals that are no more. Its sad. In their run down state will still last longer than modern stuff.
Love your work
Thank you very much Paul.
Awesome! I’ve done most of that walk, though it was back in 1967 or so! I can’t remember exactly where I started, but it was somewhere around Green Street in Radcliffe, as I walked I remember walking past the remains of Radcliffe Bridge station. So, onwards over Outwood Viaduct, past the old coal sidings, the remains of Ringley Station, then on through a more rural setting until Molyneaux Brow. I don’t recall seeing any station remains there. It was quite a hike, matching my stride to the spacing of the sleepers the whole way. But back then, you could easily walk over the 13 Arches with great views in each direction. It wasn’t long after the pottery factory or whatever it was that it was plain that the disused line merged with the Bolton line and this walk had come to an end. It felt like a marathon, on that hot summer’s day, but it was just 3 miles each way.
hiya martin . still our favourite video of all and not an easy choice from all your fantastic videos ' class act mate ' all the very best from nick and tracy in wigan
The viaduct was cleaned of vegetation back in 1990 to stop tree roots from penetrating the stonework and British Rail had a Plan to use the bridge to put cables or a gas pipe on...I forget which.
At the end of the aquaduct the as the canal made a sharp left turn towards Salford there was also another branch which turned sharp right towards a series of coal mines and leads up to Clifton marina.
For part 2...please..
The battle of Clifton junction, East Lancashire Railway V Manchester and Bolton Railway , and I'll guess the tunnel story is .... well I don't want to spoil it for your ardent fans! Nice vid, there's so much to explore around that area you could do a whole series on it.
Hi Adelle wasnt the canal branch called the Fletchers canal ? I read briefly about the standoff and yes the tunnel story is....😁
@@MartinZero it was the fletchers canal and had one lock on it the mbbc canal was sold off to lancashire yorkshire railways if you go down to agecroft line of canal you will see canal narrowed from wide to narrow with railway on top sounds daft but the railways plan was to fill canal in and use line for a railway
@@MartinZero Nice bit of info from Adelle there, where you were positioned at 19.50 mins did you notice the 2 pieces of broken brickwork facing you? They were either end of a packhorse bridge that stood at the junction of Fletchers and The Manchester, Bolton ,Bury canals. If i can find it I'll send you a photo of it, I'm pretty sure it's on the Manchester photos library website.
Great video yet again 👍👍
@@hamerd70 You need to take me back there Dave
Superb another HIDDEN GEM Exposed well done you
Thanks very much Mark
Excellent video, Martin. There are so many interesting forgotten places around the Manchester area, - you've got a job for life!
I think I have 😆👍
Yet another belter, never really been interested in railways in 40 odd years, now I want to walk the trail and find out more. Keep it up Martin, you’re getting us off the sofa👍
Hi Stew, Must admit in my younger days I was all about Diesel trains. I love all the old stuff now 😀
👍 I like the architecture, sad to see it disused, all the time that went in to the viaduct and it’s just left to rot. The overgrowth will take its toll one day. Did you get my Bloom St photos last week, this account doesn’t match my Twitter btw.
@@stewriley1183 Yes and am sorry for the delay am wading through emails 😀
No worries, not chasing just wanted to be sure you got them, might have some others in the next few weeks 👍
Thank you for yet another superb video Martin.
If you haven’t done so already it’s well worth exploring further along the Outward Trail(Manchester, Bury and Rossendale Railway Line) to find the remnants of the old Ringley Road train station.
An excellent presentation with great naration. Cant resist subscribing, Thank you
Thank you very much and I appreciate you subscribing 👍
Thank you for uploading, this was very interesting to watch. My parents guide history walks in hampshire and one of them is the disused Gosport line. It's always lovely to see more of Britain 👌
Thank you very much Ladybird 👍
I really do hate it when history and older buildings get destroyed. Great video Martin
Me to. Thanks very much
The river irwell at this section is the boundary of Clifton on one side and prestwich the other. Excellent video.
Looking forward to part 2 fab videos keep up the good work 😊
Thanks Michelle. Part 2 is ready
Brilliant vid Martin, I caught a view of the Clifton viaduct regularly while travelling in the company van back from Warrington when I was driving coal trains there from ferry bridge power station, absolutely fascinated with railway history.
Yes there is something about it isnt there 👌
I like your work. Very interesting, well presented, passionate, and well put together. Excellent!
Thanks Rod
@@MartinZero And well researched!
you never fail to deliver martin, proper love your vlogs
Thank you very much 👍
AMAZING , I love the history
I can remember going over that viaduct on the train many times as a kid. I always looked out for it after Eccles. Tim Jones.
Brilliant. Your going back a bit there arent you ?
Absolutely Brilliant Guy 's