I went on the ICE from Hanover to Frankfurt when I was a teen, and 2 decades later, these trains still look ultra modern. Very smooth, it don't feel like you're doing the speed. In the UK on our service we're doing 65-70mph at a push and it's rattling around like a Cessna in a thunderstorm
@@samtrak1204 Some Brits tend to overly exaggerate on things just to shit on their own country. I've ridden trains all through the UK and nowhere have I seen trains rattling like a thunderstorm going only 65mph. I mean the rail network in the UK can definitely be better but come on bruh 😂
It is wrong to say that Germany has 'failed' to build more high speed rail lines. Compared to France, where everything is centered on Paris, Germany is polycentric. There are not many places in Germany where it would make sense to build a 300kph high speed line, since traveling on it for 30 mins (thus 150km) you would likely by-bass one or two large cities of 250,000 to 500,000 people. German rail is more built around a dense network of speedy (200km/h) routes with frequent service and more frequent stops, rather than ultra-high speed likes. Germany only has 250kph and 300kph lines were there are less densely populated areas between major cities.
That is true for NRW, but certainly not all of Germany. There are plenty of places where 300kph high speed lines would make sense. From NRW to Berlin and/or other eastern parts would be one example.
I can just imagine the smoothness within that ride no vibrations no strange noises jus an enjoyable ride you should come to Melbourne Australia and do the Express train to Sydney it will will be a horror story 👍
@Gunther H.G. Geick a good LTE connection is important if you want to watch something like a movie or a YT video because most train WiFi (except Railjet WiFi) is dogshit
Fun fact: The Germans built a high speed train that can run 320 km/hr but actually runs this speed on French rail tracks. In German (except the new ICE track between Nurnberg and Berlin) I believe the ICE has too many stops along smaller places. The biggest gain timewise is the LGV Est track where the ICE continues from Saarbrucken to Paris without stops on max speed (track time 1:51 hr). You can't beat this part by car or plane.
Even if this cemetery is a community cemetery - the border between Germany and France has also been the scene of many battles and both world wars at this point - the traveler also passed the site of the former concentration camp "Neue Bremm" quite unconsciously. You can see it as a symbol for the inglorious history of Europe that a cemetery marks the border crossing.
The biggest problem of German Railway ist not a missing high speed line. We have a general problem with missing tracks, interchanges and overfilled railwaytstations with trains. This causes a lot of delays. Building new tracks and rebuild old tracks for general rail service is more important than to build one high speed line. HighSpeed alone does not make an attractive and modern train service. Further Germany ist smaller than France and has a different settlement structure with a lot of cities which need an own ICE ore other long-distance-service-Connection. The ICE has often not enough time to increase on 300 km/H. Finally Germany has a lot of Mountain-Rainges, so there are a lot of Bridges and tunnels need to build a high-speed-line which makes the whole line really expensive. Some parts of the route from your ICE will need a refresh but a high-speed Line could be to expensive and uneconomical.
And maintaining the climate killer autobahn and adding new lanes yearly isn't uneconomic and expensive too? Thought too narrow for the bigger picture, I guess.
@@lordanonimmo7699 I am well aware. Since nobody is paying for the use of it but the taxpayer it's also polluting the air for nothing. They should expand and modernize rail network and shift more transport to it.
@@Isa-de2yf I agree but the scope of this undertaking, in order to make a real difference without rising the overall costs for all participants, is huge. I know its silly, but the long term planning is not a friend of any government...
Nein, ist es nicht. Ich bin von Saarbrücken und nutze die Züge oft in beide Richtungen. No, it isn't. I'm from Saarbrücken and using the train often in both directions. I know it and it's a shame for travelling on German side.
@@GerhardReinig I frequently travel that section between Neustadt and Kaiserslautern. They plan new electronic systems, which won't solve the fundamental problems. In this hilly area there are steep slopes and sharp curves. They would have to rebuild it from scratch to reach anything beyond 200km/h at the very much.
@@TheTechInvader Du kannst auch Deutsch schreiben. Mit 200 durch den Pfälzer Wald. Ja klar. Ist physikalisch gar nicht möglich. Und durch das dichtbesiedelte Saarland auch nicht. Es gäbe eine Möglichkeit, die in Deutschland aber keiner hören will: Wie in China Schnellfahrstrecken komplett im Hochbau, über Häuser, Felder und Wald hinweg.
@@TheTechInvader The unknown good option here is to reopen and electrify the existing line "Zellertalbahn" between Kaiserslautern and Worms instead of driving via Mannheim (which is a detour). That would only require an upgrade of the switches to 120-160 km/h. Then you'd get from Frankfurt to Paris in 3:05~3:15, faster than the travel time via Mannheim even with new high-speed lines (building one from scratch between Neustadt and Kaiserslautern would honestly be a waste).
As usual a highly enjoyable journey. Been watching your videos for sometime now. Though your videos are highly informative, I have a little suggestion to offer. At the start of journey please also inform the total distance to be covered along with time for the journey. Hopefully, this would make it more informative and entertaining. Also, during the journey at regular intervals, inform the running speed of the train.
Interesting video! Sentimental for meI have ridden this route six times, before the high speed trains. The train departed Frankfurt at 08:00 am and was called the "Victor Hugo", required about seven hours for the trip. At Metz the train stopped to switch locomotives, from DB to SNCF.
Well at 1:05 you can see the white benches right below the FFM sign. I'm in Frankfurt regularly and I don't remember seeing them the last 1-2 years on platform 20.
@@speccylimone3684 As a native English speaker, you should understand that "THE coronavirus" uses a definite grammatical article, which means, in the context of Spring 2020, it obviously means SARS-CoV-2. However, perhaps you need English lessons from foreign people...
Almost 2 times a week… did Frankfurt-Munich …Frankfurt-Hamburg or Frankfurt-Amsterdam …for 2 years while based out of Frankfurt. One of the best transport system in the world. Didn’t use airline unless unavoidable …
Schönes Video über einen deutschen Hochgeschwindigkeitszug, der in Deutschland nur mit mittlerer Geschwindigkeit fährt. Erst in Frankreich kann er auf einem relativ kurzem Stück über 300 km/h fahren.
Die eingeblendeten Erklärungen und Kommentare im Video sind ausgezeichnet, very well! And the red trains in Germany (Mannheim, Saarbrücken...) are german regional trains. I can remember, that many years before was a train from Paris to Moscow and back, the "Ost-West-Express". Ever in midnight the train to Moscow and the train to Paris was crossing in Berlin.
By watching the passing landscape It´s easy to see why France is more successful in building high speed tracks: It is way less populated than Germany. I have taken the train from Frankfurt to Paris and after the German-French border you see.....nothing. Huge fields, and farmland, here and there a few houses. AND the ground is quite flat. No bridges or tunnels needed. If you annonce to plan a new track here in Germany, trouble is not far away.
Great video. Enjoyed the not-to-subtle dig at the lack of high speed infrastructure on the German side. A great train connection but room for improvement, for sure!
Great report and nice to see a train in 320km/h! :) But I missed some information about the service onboard. Food, drinks and also some more about how the first and second class cars look from a passenger perspective. Anyway, thanks for sharing!
normally the ICE has a restaurant on board where you can get some snacks to eat and some drinks. beer was maybe around ~3.50€ for a wheat beer if i remember correctly.
first class has 2+1 seating, a little more leg room and a little more comfortable seats and unlimited WIFI (if it works), the difference isnt that big but often than the pricing difference is less than 10€
Wonderful narration and video! I had the opportunities to ride the trains between Munich and Paris a several years ago. One thing I noticed the most was the trains travelled on the right-hand side in Germany then switched to left-hand side when entering France. If I had to choose between SNCF TGV and DB ICE, I would choose the latter for three reasons. One is the seat reservations: SNCF required the seat reservations when purchasing the tickets. I was frustrated when I tried to book the last-minute business trip the day before the departure. I ended up buying the ticket on board. The German conductor warned me about having to move around when travelling in French section. I had to move from one seat to other seats a several times when French passengers showed up with seat reservations. I had no problem with Deutsche Bahn ICE, which is first-come, first-served if they're not reserved in advance. Other is HOW CRAMPED the seats are in TGV as compared to ICE. The legroom in TGV first class seats is tighter than ICE second class seats. It's even worse and more tighter in TGV second class. The restrooms in TGV is depressingly dark and tiny as compared to ICE. Why did TGV stick small dustbins against the wall in the legroom in the older first class sections? They rubbed against my legs so I found a way to detach them and toss them in the overhead luggage bin. Lastly, DB ICE has hot meal service and restaurant/bistro. When travelling first class, the passengers can order hot meal to be delivered to their seats or eat in the restaurant/bistro. TGV didn't. Just cold sandwiches and pastries. The first class passengers receive the complimentary meals in TGV, but they're cold sandwiches and salad. No vegetarian or vegan options were ever offered. The attendant felt bad for me because I wanted the vegetarian option. I never understand why in Paris, we have to wait for the announcements to find out which track to board the train. Usually 15 minutes before the departure and lot of stampede to board the train quickly. In Germany, they're always posted ahead of departure time...
You can absolutely get a seat reservation with German ICEs. They are marked at the seats with (for example) Mannheim - Leipzig. Meaning this seat is reserved for someone travelling from Mannheim - Leipzig.
Platform number for your train is announced a lot more time than 15 minutes before departure, in general. I doubt there is a lot of difference between Fra and Ger, here. In relation to SnCF/DB comparison, the TGV system is a mass transportation system, it's true there is not a lot of differençe between first and second class whereas The ICEs are still very exec/business oriented. It's going to be interesting to see what the new TGVs will look like. They should appear in the months to come.
Great.. I recalled my journey from Frankfurt to Paris by ICE in 2018 and return travel by TGV to FF.. really amazing...enjoyed the speed and smoothness of travel...
@@isma4438 The sad accident in Strasbourg proved otherwise. Thank God there were only few people on this test train back then. The TGV design with power cars has its difficulties. That's why even Alstom built its more advanced AGV with distributed traction like the ICE3 from the late '90s.
@@MrWomojo Actually with an ICE there would be more injured people. It probably would have passed as the accident in Eschede. The TGV staid in a straight line due to 2 carriages share each others wheels. An ICE wouldnt
@@MrWomojo It was an accident during a test while securities were disabled, same accident with an ICE would have even more casualties. Look at passenger casualties in commercial rides in the TGV, you won't see any even if there was some severe accidents.
I would rather do this than fly, a lot less hassle, no airport stress, no turbulence and bad weather affects, no yucky aircraft cabin air and food. City directly to city.... it’s a win win.
Better to have good night train with internet, shower for european Travel than fast train during 4-5-6 hours of or plane early only for big cities, Travel during night is the best way to have week end or professional meeting.
Hello !!! La llegada a París es similar a los arribos a la estación Plaza Constitución de Buenos Aires . Argentina !!!!!! Very nice video !!!! Thank you !!!!!
Siemens had a lot of problems with these trains so they finished testing in 2013. 4 trains then were ready to enter the service. In 2015 only 15 of 17 ordered were in service. In 2016 they managed to get this train ready for traveling to France. These are the latest addition to the "old" ICE 3 family. And yes. Due to bad tracks with no highspeed whatsoever, they decided to step back on highspeed down to 320. The track between Frankfurt and Cologne is one of the most frequented tracks in Germany and it is only for highspeed trains. And with the older models of the ICE 3, you are able to reach up to 340km/h downhill. You reach Cologne only 45-50 minutes after leaving Frankfurt. From here you could travel to Paris with the famous Thalys. (Not right now due to Corona of course) But it is a nice trip, and the Thalys is a beautiful train.
Not exactly correct. There are 4 tracks for operations for up to 300 kilometers per hour: -Köln - Frankfurt -Ingolstadt - Munich -Ebensfeld - Erfurt -Erfurt - Leipzig / Halle None of those tracks will feature 340 kilometers an hour (the tracks aren't certified for such speeds, certification for 300 kilometers an hour requires 330 test drive). If the ICE drives 304, the train will automatically slow down. By the way, more such 300 lanes are planned. -Mannheim - Frankfurt -Würzburg - Nürnberg -Hamm - Hannover -The existing Wolfsburg - Berlin 250 line is proposed to be upgraded to 300. Don't forget the 280 km/h lines of Mannheim - Stuttgart and Hannover - Würzburg. And right now under construction is Stuttgart - Ulm, for 250 but because it is so steep, there aren't any trains that could run 300.
At Forbach the Train needs to switch electrical voltages because northern France 25kv 50hz West Germany now the reunified Germany 15kv 16.7hz. Paris to Munich high-speed train connects to the Austrian high-speed train Munich to Budapest in Hungary via Salzburg and Vienna using railway lines that were built by Austria-Hungary after Salzburg
The former GDR also had 15 kV, 16 2/3 Hz. Like Norway, Sweden, Austria and Switzerland the German Reich started to equip their network with 15 kV in the 1920ies. So even parts of nowadays Poland started with 15 kV AC back in the days and then switched to 3 kV DC
No, 300 km/h is the speed limit for those tracks. Between Frankfurt and Cologne it's even questionable if trains could reach much more speed anyway due to the big elevations which even prevent older ICE models using those tracks, because they wouldn't be able to start driving again after an on-track stop.
The joint French-German express service started with a lot of confusion and mistakes. The DB (at that time still Bundesbahn) was already planning high-speed traffic up to GB through the Kannal tunnel, which the SNCF did not agree with, the SNCF was not ready to let the DB run without compensation lines in Germany. Finally it turned out the ICE 1 is too broad for the French platforms. - Heinz
This ICE detour took 42 minutes to get from Frankfurt to Mannheim. The detour starts at Mannheim Waldhof; it exist since 1985. Trains to Basel and Stuttgart had to change engines in Mannheim. Fastest time is 37 minutes if you avoid the detour, but than you have to change direction. Frankfurt - Karlsruhe is 63 minutes, but than you must find the right connection to Paris. In theory it is faster via Strasbourg, but that area between Mannheim and Saarbrucken is limited in speed. Both Karlsruhe and Frankfurt have 4 direct trains to Paris Est.
The connection from Frankfurt to Paris isn't good on the German side. However, Frankfurt to Mannheim is being upgraded to allow 320 km/h. Still the section from Mannheim directly to the West would be poor. Probably trains would go from Frankfurt via Strasbourg which would allow continuing speeds of 320 km/h to Mannheim and 250 km/h to Strassbourg and 320 km/h in France.
If you arrive at the Frankfurt Airport you can use the railway station of the airport. You don´t have to go to the HBF (main railway station) in the city
For the ride to Cologne you are right, but the Paris train travels southbound in direction of Mannheim, not touching the airport which is located at the northbound high speed line.
I wonder why Australia does not have one of these ultra high speed trains..it would certainly connect the country improve economies..maybe perhaps a maghlev train..
in germany you can also go >300kph on somee stretches. specially cologne to FFM on the line from dortmund to munich. they operate the new ICE3neos there that are going 320.
I took the ICE from Köln to Amsterdam, Just my luck it broke down as soon as we entered the Netherlands 😒. We were offered a bus to Utretch, and from there a train would take me to Amsterdam Centraal.
These excursion make for a great escape. It is ;ate November. and we're dealing with Wave 2 of Covid-19, so of course Americans aren't leaving the states at the moment. I've been through FDF on the way to Club Med Martinique. Now from a fellow videographer's view. I like your use and pacing of the subtitles. I like how you use them as a running narrative as well as a descriptive. I like the pacing of the editing and the cuts. I was happy to ride along with you.
Not an awful lot, but they do exist. There are loads of cemeteries, though. But in certain places, they have this weird landscape with little hills/holes, and they're the bomb craters. Plus there are still certain areas off-limits because of poison gas.
In eastern France there are still fields with very irregular holes, it's the old craters of shells that became like this with time. :) But there are other reminders of French - German wars along the frontier, ancient blockhaus, you even have a quarter in Freiburg (Germany) that is name "Vauban" because there used to be a French fortress there.
Great video, but i honestly prefer TGV Velaro D have several issue when running under 1500 Volts is France Their toilets almost nevers works , and the Wi-Fi only works in the last carriage
Not true. The speed limit is 300 Km/h. Speed may increase slightly over the limit when transitioning from even terrain to decending a hill but will adjust pretty fast (within a few seconds). Experienced it quite a few times between Frankfurt and Köln.
So, Germany developed trains who can travel at 300+ km/h but failed to build the appropriate rail structure in order to fully utilize these trains. Hmm.. doesn't sound very German. :)
Tomaras Theodoros : There are certain routes within Germany where high speed is a normal thing. What he meant that towards France Germany failed to build more of this high speed infrastructure.
If you have to build a new high speed rail structure, you need space cause you can't use old ones! And this space needs to be straight as an arrow. Population density or even mountains not even mentioned. But most importantly, is it worth it? The "perpendicular" rail structures are capable of bearing 160+ k/ph (round about 100 mph). Germanys metropoles are not as far from each other as in in the US or france. To build a high speed railaway structure it needs trillions of pounds
Which is actually not correct. We have two high speed tracks here in Germany where the Ice 3 can go up to 300 kmh and above. One between Frankfurt and cologne an the other between Munich in Berlin (parts of it)
He only meant, there's no direct high-speed connection from Frankfurt to the French border. Of course there are several high speed lines in Germany as well. France built the LGV est to connect its big cities Strasbourg and Paris. And the German high-speed railway lines have also been built to connect important cities like Munich, Nuremberg, Leipzig, Berlin ... or Frankfurt and Cologne etc.. Other, earlier high-speed lines connect Mannheim and Stuttgart, or Würzburg - Kassel- Hannover. They have been built during the '80s and have a top speed of 280kph though.
@@MrWomojo Christoph is right tho because the highest speed on german tracks is 300km/h (and not above), on the other hand france's LGV are up to 320km/h (as seen in the video)
To many stops in Germany you can't go for 300 above in Germany. It would be a huge waste of energy and money to bring them over 300 and then stop 'em right away. That’s why the new ICE is designed for better acceleration and is good for the environment. You are faster with 250km/h and a fast acceleration than with 280 with "normal" acceleration. Of course it would be faster building high speed routes if the route would be hundreds of kilometers long but that isn't the case in Germany. The cities are to near. They’re planning a new 300km/h extra track between Frankfurt and Mannheim, the TGV (which is expected to not operate anymore Frankfurt-Paris anymore in 2030) and the ICE to Paris could go a little bit faster.
Hahahaha! The CRH3 is the Chinese Version of the Siemens Velaro ICE3. China build them in licence! But, by they way, today China had learned (not stolen) from Germany and building now the better trains. take a look on the Fuxing train! ruclips.net/video/WTEgJNO7TMw/видео.html
In the Frankfurt/Stuttgart-Paris trains they announce in German, French and English. In the "ICE International" between Brussels and Basle they even announce also in Dutch which is quite funny between Cologne and Siegburg/Bonn as they start announcing Siegburg/Bonn shortly after having finished welcoming the new passengers joining at Cologne... 😀
I went on the ICE from Hanover to Frankfurt when I was a teen, and 2 decades later, these trains still look ultra modern. Very smooth, it don't feel like you're doing the speed. In the UK on our service we're doing 65-70mph at a push and it's rattling around like a Cessna in a thunderstorm
The Virgin train from London to Edingburgh iun 2018 was smooth as silk whereas most Amtrak trains are rocky as hell.
@@samtrak1204 Some Brits tend to overly exaggerate on things just to shit on their own country. I've ridden trains all through the UK and nowhere have I seen trains rattling like a thunderstorm going only 65mph. I mean the rail network in the UK can definitely be better but come on bruh 😂
It is wrong to say that Germany has 'failed' to build more high speed rail lines. Compared to France, where everything is centered on Paris, Germany is polycentric. There are not many places in Germany where it would make sense to build a 300kph high speed line, since traveling on it for 30 mins (thus 150km) you would likely by-bass one or two large cities of 250,000 to 500,000 people. German rail is more built around a dense network of speedy (200km/h) routes with frequent service and more frequent stops, rather than ultra-high speed likes. Germany only has 250kph and 300kph lines were there are less densely populated areas between major cities.
That is true for NRW, but certainly not all of Germany. There are plenty of places where 300kph high speed lines would make sense. From NRW to Berlin and/or other eastern parts would be one example.
Riding a german train on france's highspeed tracks, is like driving your french car on germany's autobahn.^^
Sorry, but driving a french car isn´t that nice... XD
Ferdinand Ulmer
And this is the point
Ferdinand Ulmer I’ve had three all good. Citroën Bon.
Why though?
Are TGVs that much faster?
xd they dont even drive like normal ppl xd
I can just imagine the smoothness within that ride no vibrations no strange noises jus an enjoyable ride you should come to Melbourne Australia and do the Express train to Sydney it will will be a horror story 👍
... as opposed to Amtrak in New Jersey??
@@johnhopkins6260 bruh amtraks are trash
it is extremely smooth, you can barely feel the ride
Even worse, try riding the "train" in Canada.
@@johnhopkins6260 Canadian trains are even worse.
You notice the border crossing from Germany to France when you have prefect LTE reception all of a sudden.
Fun fact:
The German minister of transportation is also the minister of digital infrastructure at the same time
@Gunther H.G. Geick a good LTE connection is important if you want to watch something like a movie or a YT video because most train WiFi (except Railjet WiFi) is dogshit
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@@CreatorPolar the railjet wifi is also shit, it's limited to almost 1mbit/s
@@Spongebob9800 trip reports I watched all showed the WiFi hitting 15mbps
Big like from Romania for your rail work...It,s a great therapy for my...Thumbs UP!!!!
Operated by the glorious Deutsche Bahn, the most punctual of its kind.
No, the most punctual is the Shinkansen.
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No it isn't LOL. 😂At all.
Fantastic. I thoroughly enjoyed it 👌👍
Fun fact: The Germans built a high speed train that can run 320 km/hr but actually runs this speed on French rail tracks. In German (except the new ICE track between Nurnberg and Berlin) I believe the ICE has too many stops along smaller places. The biggest gain timewise is the LGV Est track where the ICE continues from Saarbrucken to Paris without stops on max speed (track time 1:51 hr). You can't beat this part by car or plane.
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@@Shiekah спасибо. Я ездил на Tailis в 2007 году из Кельна в Париж, 300 было только на участке Брюссель - Париж. Удачи!
H I желаю скорой встречи с ним в подземелье ада.. Ich wünsch‘ dir ein baldiges Wiedersehen mit ihm im Reiche des Teufels.
So the first thing that you are able to see from France when you cross this border is.... a cemetery :D
Even if this cemetery is a community cemetery - the border between Germany and France has also been the scene of many battles and both world wars at this point - the traveler also passed the site of the former concentration camp "Neue Bremm" quite unconsciously. You can see it as a symbol for the inglorious history of Europe that a cemetery marks the border crossing.
The biggest problem of German Railway ist not a missing high speed line. We have a general problem with missing tracks, interchanges and overfilled railwaytstations with trains. This causes a lot of delays. Building new tracks and rebuild old tracks for general rail service is more important than to build one high speed line. HighSpeed alone does not make an attractive and modern train service.
Further Germany ist smaller than France and has a different settlement structure with a lot of cities which need an own ICE ore other long-distance-service-Connection. The ICE has often not enough time to increase on 300 km/H.
Finally Germany has a lot of Mountain-Rainges, so there are a lot of Bridges and tunnels need to build a high-speed-line which makes the whole line really expensive. Some parts of the route from your ICE will need a refresh but a high-speed Line could be to expensive and uneconomical.
And maintaining the climate killer autobahn and adding new lanes yearly isn't uneconomic and expensive too?
Thought too narrow for the bigger picture, I guess.
The main problem is that the tracks are ancient. Some date back to the 1890s.
@@Isa-de2yf Autobahn is extremely important to the economy and exportation.
@@lordanonimmo7699 I am well aware.
Since nobody is paying for the use of it but the taxpayer it's also polluting the air for nothing.
They should expand and modernize rail network and shift more transport to it.
@@Isa-de2yf I agree but the scope of this undertaking, in order to make a real difference without rising the overall costs for all participants, is huge. I know its silly, but the long term planning is not a friend of any government...
The old section between Mannheim to Saarbrücken is getting upgraded to 200km/h.
Nein, ist es nicht. Ich bin von Saarbrücken und nutze die Züge oft in beide Richtungen.
No, it isn't. I'm from Saarbrücken and using the train often in both directions.
I know it and it's a shame for travelling on German side.
@@GerhardReinig it is, unfortunately not for the full length, though. bauprojekte.deutschebahn.com/p/pos-nord
@@GerhardReinig I frequently travel that section between Neustadt and Kaiserslautern. They plan new electronic systems, which won't solve the fundamental problems. In this hilly area there are steep slopes and sharp curves. They would have to rebuild it from scratch to reach anything beyond 200km/h at the very much.
@@TheTechInvader Du kannst auch Deutsch schreiben.
Mit 200 durch den Pfälzer Wald. Ja klar.
Ist physikalisch gar nicht möglich. Und durch das dichtbesiedelte Saarland auch nicht.
Es gäbe eine Möglichkeit, die in Deutschland aber keiner hören will: Wie in China Schnellfahrstrecken komplett im Hochbau, über Häuser, Felder und Wald hinweg.
@@TheTechInvader The unknown good option here is to reopen and electrify the existing line "Zellertalbahn" between Kaiserslautern and Worms instead of driving via Mannheim (which is a detour). That would only require an upgrade of the switches to 120-160 km/h. Then you'd get from Frankfurt to Paris in 3:05~3:15, faster than the travel time via Mannheim even with new high-speed lines (building one from scratch between Neustadt and Kaiserslautern would honestly be a waste).
As usual a highly enjoyable journey. Been watching your videos for sometime now. Though your videos are highly informative, I have a little suggestion to offer. At the start of journey please also inform the total distance to be covered along with time for the journey. Hopefully, this would make it more informative and entertaining. Also, during the journey at regular intervals, inform the running speed of the train.
Interesting video! Sentimental for meI have ridden this route six times, before the high speed trains. The train departed Frankfurt at 08:00 am and was called the "Victor Hugo", required about seven hours for the trip. At Metz the train stopped to switch locomotives, from DB to SNCF.
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Well at 1:05 you can see the white benches right below the FFM sign. I'm in Frankfurt regularly and I don't remember seeing them the last 1-2 years on platform 20.
It is a conspiracy. The coronavirus has been created years ago by pangolins to kill the humans in their fight to control our flat Earth.
@@paname514 Corona has been around since the 1960s at least, SARS was ha Coronavirus hence it was called SARS-COVID
@@paname514 And if you believe in Flat Earth that's fine but don't try to convert others
@@speccylimone3684 As a native English speaker, you should understand that "THE coronavirus" uses a definite grammatical article, which means, in the context of Spring 2020, it obviously means SARS-CoV-2.
However, perhaps you need English lessons from foreign people...
Almost 2 times a week… did Frankfurt-Munich …Frankfurt-Hamburg or Frankfurt-Amsterdam …for 2 years while based out of Frankfurt.
One of the best transport system in the world. Didn’t use airline unless unavoidable …
nice upload ! I like the comments and information as subtitles.
Greetings from frankfurt
Schönes Video über einen deutschen Hochgeschwindigkeitszug, der in Deutschland nur mit mittlerer Geschwindigkeit fährt. Erst in Frankreich kann er auf einem relativ kurzem Stück über 300 km/h fahren.
Made in Germany trifft Made in France. TGV und ICE vereint in Paris. Das ist europäische Freundschaft und Zusammenhalt 🇩🇪🇫🇷
Fun Fact: The train 407 017 is now named "Paris"
Niklas Fahrzeugkanal lol
Ya lol
wish we had this here in the US
New York- LA 500 mp/h would be perfect xD
@@deinemuddastinktnachbudda NY - LA at 80 mph would be a great improvement!
@@deinemuddastinktnachbudda Would be unrealistic. That is airplane speed.
Sedna063 But would be better for the world
@@deinemuddastinktnachbudda Yes, but trains can't go that fast. I'd say 200-300 is more practical
Die eingeblendeten Erklärungen und Kommentare im Video sind ausgezeichnet, very well! And the red trains in Germany (Mannheim, Saarbrücken...) are german regional trains. I can remember, that many years before was a train from Paris to Moscow and back, the "Ost-West-Express". Ever in midnight the train to Moscow and the train to Paris was crossing in Berlin.
Thanks fofr the tour, Happy New Year 2021
Still I can remember this journey. DB has very nice rail facilities in this route.
The intro music is much to load. I got a shock when i start the video but the hole film is very good. Greetings from germany.
This is how Öttinger would write in English !
Great video, I really enjoyed the captions. Thanks.
Really enjoyed this journey....
By watching the passing landscape It´s easy to see why France is more successful in building high speed tracks: It is way less populated than Germany. I have taken the train from Frankfurt to Paris and after the German-French border you see.....nothing. Huge fields, and farmland, here and there a few houses. AND the ground is quite flat. No bridges or tunnels needed. If you annonce to plan a new track here in Germany, trouble is not far away.
Great video. Enjoyed the not-to-subtle dig at the lack of high speed infrastructure on the German side. A great train connection but room for improvement, for sure!
Nice video, this route I definitely on my list for a trip-report as well.
Great report and nice to see a train in 320km/h! :) But I missed some information about the service onboard. Food, drinks and also some more about how the first and second class cars look from a passenger perspective. Anyway, thanks for sharing!
normally the ICE has a restaurant on board where you can get some snacks to eat and some drinks. beer was maybe around ~3.50€ for a wheat beer if i remember correctly.
Com Mil KM por hora você terá uma vantagem Enorme sobre o Avião.pois o Avião não pode fazer isso no ar .por ele ainda usar combustão.
first class has 2+1 seating, a little more leg room and a little more comfortable seats and unlimited WIFI (if it works), the difference isnt that big but often than the pricing difference is less than 10€
@@SchwertKruemel Thanks!
Nice video. I really enjoyed this journey.
Thanks, this is amazing and wonderful trip.
i like the ICE heaps more than the TGV
The TGV is more classy.
The TGV has more comfortable seats and is less noisy because the motors aren't under you seat.
Paname514 those seats in 2nd class in the TGV are soo bad. Regionaltrain seats.
Wonderful narration and video! I had the opportunities to ride the trains between Munich and Paris a several years ago. One thing I noticed the most was the trains travelled on the right-hand side in Germany then switched to left-hand side when entering France. If I had to choose between SNCF TGV and DB ICE, I would choose the latter for three reasons.
One is the seat reservations: SNCF required the seat reservations when purchasing the tickets. I was frustrated when I tried to book the last-minute business trip the day before the departure. I ended up buying the ticket on board. The German conductor warned me about having to move around when travelling in French section. I had to move from one seat to other seats a several times when French passengers showed up with seat reservations. I had no problem with Deutsche Bahn ICE, which is first-come, first-served if they're not reserved in advance.
Other is HOW CRAMPED the seats are in TGV as compared to ICE. The legroom in TGV first class seats is tighter than ICE second class seats. It's even worse and more tighter in TGV second class. The restrooms in TGV is depressingly dark and tiny as compared to ICE. Why did TGV stick small dustbins against the wall in the legroom in the older first class sections? They rubbed against my legs so I found a way to detach them and toss them in the overhead luggage bin.
Lastly, DB ICE has hot meal service and restaurant/bistro. When travelling first class, the passengers can order hot meal to be delivered to their seats or eat in the restaurant/bistro. TGV didn't. Just cold sandwiches and pastries. The first class passengers receive the complimentary meals in TGV, but they're cold sandwiches and salad. No vegetarian or vegan options were ever offered. The attendant felt bad for me because I wanted the vegetarian option.
I never understand why in Paris, we have to wait for the announcements to find out which track to board the train. Usually 15 minutes before the departure and lot of stampede to board the train quickly. In Germany, they're always posted ahead of departure time...
You can absolutely get a seat reservation with German ICEs. They are marked at the seats with (for example) Mannheim - Leipzig. Meaning this seat is reserved for someone travelling from Mannheim - Leipzig.
Platform number for your train is announced a lot more time than 15 minutes before departure, in general. I doubt there is a lot of difference between Fra and Ger, here.
In relation to SnCF/DB comparison, the TGV system is a mass transportation system, it's true there is not a lot of differençe between first and second class whereas The ICEs are still very exec/business oriented.
It's going to be interesting to see what the new TGVs will look like. They should appear in the months to come.
14:05 announcements are made both in German, French and German 😂
heheeheh soo lustig heeheheh
Hockdeuetch und Gothic lol.
@@malfroller3022 "Ich mag Züge"
Isn't there any English announcement onboard?
@@twhot There is an english announcement. I was on the train and could hear english after several stops.
Great.. I recalled my journey from Frankfurt to Paris by ICE in 2018 and return travel by TGV to FF.. really amazing...enjoyed the speed and smoothness of travel...
Not completely true:
In the line Munich-Hamburg I had many segments at 310 km/h on an DB-ICE
That would be weird because there are 2 segments where 300 is the max speed during normal operation.
yea
So. TGV or ICE? I prefer ICE. It more roomy and comfy. Plus the restaurant is decent - if the electrics work.
But TGV is far more secure in case of an accident.
@@isma4438 TGV more secure? You must be kidding!
@@isma4438 The sad accident in Strasbourg proved otherwise. Thank God there were only few people on this test train back then. The TGV design with power cars has its difficulties. That's why even Alstom built its more advanced AGV with distributed traction like the ICE3 from the late '90s.
@@MrWomojo Actually with an ICE there would be more injured people. It probably would have passed as the accident in Eschede. The TGV staid in a straight line due to 2 carriages share each others wheels. An ICE wouldnt
@@MrWomojo It was an accident during a test while securities were disabled, same accident with an ICE would have even more casualties. Look at passenger casualties in commercial rides in the TGV, you won't see any even if there was some severe accidents.
i drive two years ago with this train it was awesome !! 288 km a hour
I would rather do this than fly, a lot less hassle, no airport stress, no turbulence and bad weather affects, no yucky aircraft cabin air and food. City directly to city.... it’s a win win.
Better to have good night train with internet, shower for european Travel than fast train during 4-5-6 hours of or plane early only for big cities, Travel during night is the best way to have week end or professional meeting.
Hello !!!
La llegada a París es similar a los arribos a la estación Plaza Constitución de Buenos Aires . Argentina !!!!!!
Very nice video !!!!
Thank you !!!!!
I did exactly this. I arrived at the airport and than went to take the train to Paris in Main.
Siemens had a lot of problems with these trains so they finished testing in 2013. 4 trains then were ready to enter the service. In 2015 only 15 of 17 ordered were in service. In 2016 they managed to get this train ready for traveling to France. These are the latest addition to the "old" ICE 3 family. And yes. Due to bad tracks with no highspeed whatsoever, they decided to step back on highspeed down to 320. The track between Frankfurt and Cologne is one of the most frequented tracks in Germany and it is only for highspeed trains. And with the older models of the ICE 3, you are able to reach up to 340km/h downhill. You reach Cologne only 45-50 minutes after leaving Frankfurt. From here you could travel to Paris with the famous Thalys. (Not right now due to Corona of course) But it is a nice trip, and the Thalys is a beautiful train.
Not exactly correct.
There are 4 tracks for operations for up to 300 kilometers per hour:
-Köln - Frankfurt
-Ingolstadt - Munich
-Ebensfeld - Erfurt
-Erfurt - Leipzig / Halle
None of those tracks will feature 340 kilometers an hour (the tracks aren't certified for such speeds, certification for 300 kilometers an hour requires 330 test drive). If the ICE drives 304, the train will automatically slow down.
By the way, more such 300 lanes are planned.
-Mannheim - Frankfurt
-Würzburg - Nürnberg
-Hamm - Hannover
-The existing Wolfsburg - Berlin 250 line is proposed to be upgraded to 300.
Don't forget the 280 km/h lines of Mannheim - Stuttgart and Hannover - Würzburg.
And right now under construction is Stuttgart - Ulm, for 250 but because it is so steep, there aren't any trains that could run 300.
Oh yes I traveled from Frankfurt to Paris. Very beautiful and smooth journey
Awsome central station, and greate train. We hope in saute europe gate somthin like that...😀✌👍
Loved the video very much. Thank u
wow i love it
I like the ICE more than the TGV
We don’t care
Shut up
@@marcmarc8524 YOU dont care lol
Why
i am germen and i prefer the TGV its better ..
Que hermoso Europa
nice trip video !! very informative. and enjoyable !!
At Forbach the Train needs to switch electrical voltages because northern France 25kv 50hz West Germany now the reunified Germany 15kv 16.7hz. Paris to Munich high-speed train connects to the Austrian high-speed train Munich to Budapest in Hungary via Salzburg and Vienna using railway lines that were built by Austria-Hungary after Salzburg
The former GDR also had 15 kV, 16 2/3 Hz. Like Norway, Sweden, Austria and Switzerland the German Reich started to equip their network with 15 kV in the 1920ies.
So even parts of nowadays Poland started with 15 kV AC back in the days and then switched to 3 kV DC
hat mir gut gefallen,besonders informativ
thank you nice documentory . Bravo
Ich liebe dieses Video danke
But ICE Trains in Germany can go up to 320 km/h for example on the route between Frankfurt and Cologne or between Munich and Berlin
No, 300 km/h is the speed limit for those tracks. Between Frankfurt and Cologne it's even questionable if trains could reach much more speed anyway due to the big elevations which even prevent older ICE models using those tracks, because they wouldn't be able to start driving again after an on-track stop.
Top class coverage felt the 320 km speed first time as you shown the outside
The joint French-German express service started with a lot of confusion and mistakes. The DB (at that time still Bundesbahn) was already planning high-speed traffic up to GB through the Kannal tunnel, which the SNCF did not agree with, the SNCF was not ready to let the DB run without compensation lines in Germany. Finally it turned out the ICE 1 is too broad for the French platforms. - Heinz
This ICE detour took 42 minutes to get from Frankfurt to Mannheim. The detour starts at Mannheim Waldhof; it exist since 1985. Trains to Basel and Stuttgart had to change engines in Mannheim. Fastest time is 37 minutes if you avoid the detour, but than you have to change direction. Frankfurt - Karlsruhe is 63 minutes, but than you must find the right connection to Paris. In theory it is faster via Strasbourg, but that area between Mannheim and Saarbrucken is limited in speed. Both Karlsruhe and Frankfurt have 4 direct trains to Paris Est.
The connection from Frankfurt to Paris isn't good on the German side. However, Frankfurt to Mannheim is being upgraded to allow 320 km/h. Still the section from Mannheim directly to the West would be poor. Probably trains would go from Frankfurt via Strasbourg which would allow continuing speeds of 320 km/h to Mannheim and 250 km/h to Strassbourg and 320 km/h in France.
It isn't upgraded. It will be newly built but for 300 kph, not 320. It makes no sense to drive faster on the short leg.
If you arrive at the Frankfurt Airport you can use the railway station of the airport. You don´t have to go to the HBF (main railway station) in the city
But the ICE to Paris doesn’t stop at the Airport
For the ride to Cologne you are right, but the Paris train travels southbound in direction of Mannheim, not touching the airport which is located at the northbound high speed line.
Wonderful
I wonder why Australia does not have one of these ultra high speed trains..it would certainly connect the country improve economies..maybe perhaps a maghlev train..
Aussie have the intercity 125 but different ones i forgot
Isnt aussie is narrow gauged?
It's an anglosphere thing perhaps
@jkeelsnc better: ice 3 neo
I miss travelling
very well captured and with excellent information. thank you
Super gut....thanks
in germany you can also go >300kph on somee stretches. specially cologne to FFM on the line from dortmund to munich. they operate the new ICE3neos there that are going 320.
How amazing that is. To be honest, the maximum speed that trains in our country can reach up to is just 80km/h
Fantastic video love it 👏
I took the ICE from Köln to Amsterdam, Just my luck it broke down as soon as we entered the Netherlands 😒. We were offered a bus to Utretch, and from there a train would take me to Amsterdam Centraal.
Utretch = Utrecht
Great video !!
nice video
These excursion make for a great escape. It is ;ate November. and we're dealing with Wave 2 of Covid-19, so of course Americans aren't leaving the states at the moment. I've been through FDF on the way to Club Med Martinique. Now from a fellow videographer's view. I like your use and pacing of the subtitles. I like how you use them as a running narrative as well as a descriptive. I like the pacing of the editing and the cuts. I was happy to ride along with you.
Meu Nome vai Mudar para este Nome . guando tudo for Resolvido . pra Lol ⚔️Marke 🗡️
So, interesting, thank you for the video!! I wanted that video to happen, now I don't have to buy a train ticket on that direction to see it :)
Frumos imi place cum filmezi
12:45 That cough, you are dead!
This was filmed in 2017... ;)
ich bin sehr stolz für die Deutsche Bahn...
16:57 the Alstom Avelia Pendolino 2011 (SCNF) and the Siemens Velaro (ICE).
No it’s a TGV 2N2 3UA... not a pendolino... and it’s SNCF not SCNF...
@@gandalf7292 I imagined that the initials of the SNCF were misspelled. I wrote it fast, my bad but isn't the TGV from Alstom?
Renato Suarez Yes, but TGV 2N2 (Euroduplex) is not part of the Pendolino family
Excellent video.
Nice
Frankfurt am main Hauptbahnhof is the 4th busiest train stations in Europe and Biggest train station in Deutschland
"Biggest train station in Deutschland" - No. Biggest in terms of passengers is Hamburg, and biggest in terms of number of tracks is München
On the French part of the route are there any preserved trenches or other reminders from WW1?
Not an awful lot, but they do exist. There are loads of cemeteries, though. But in certain places, they have this weird landscape with little hills/holes, and they're the bomb craters. Plus there are still certain areas off-limits because of poison gas.
Some white flags...
In eastern France there are still fields with very irregular holes, it's the old craters of shells that became like this with time. :)
But there are other reminders of French - German wars along the frontier, ancient blockhaus, you even have a quarter in Freiburg (Germany) that is name "Vauban" because there used to be a French fortress there.
Great video, but i honestly prefer TGV
Velaro D have several issue when running under 1500 Volts is France
Their toilets almost nevers works , and the Wi-Fi only works in the last carriage
Their toilets also don't work in Germany. No point in fixing what people break anyways.
ICE excellent.
Flying to and fro railway stations - a NO GO!
9:05 .. not true... from Frankfurt Airport to Bonn / Siegburg ICE Trainstation the ICE hits 320km/h many times. i did this route many times. :)
Yeah, sometimes they go over 300, but they're not actually allowed to...
Max. travel speed on that route is actually 300 km/h.
How nice for you.
Hope you enjoy the Bavarian tax money.
Not true. The speed limit is 300 Km/h.
Speed may increase slightly over the limit when transitioning from even terrain to decending a hill but will adjust pretty fast (within a few seconds). Experienced it quite a few times between Frankfurt and Köln.
mostly they drive 280 to 290. 300 only when late but not faster
So, Germany developed trains who can travel at 300+ km/h but failed to build the appropriate rail structure in order to fully utilize these trains. Hmm.. doesn't sound very German. :)
Tomaras Theodoros : There are certain routes within Germany where high speed is a normal thing. What he meant that towards France Germany failed to build more of this high speed infrastructure.
If you have to build a new high speed rail structure, you need space cause you can't use old ones! And this space needs to be straight as an arrow. Population density or even mountains not even mentioned. But most importantly, is it worth it? The "perpendicular" rail structures are capable of bearing 160+ k/ph (round about 100 mph). Germanys metropoles are not as far from each other as in in the US or france. To build a high speed railaway structure it needs trillions of pounds
Bc we privatised it, very ungerman indeed
@@peorakef We "privatized" it, yes, but guess who the only shareholder is? The German State.
@@hape3862 so what? works out quite beautifully huh, when the state requires to squeeze out some billions every year
it is a shame that the trains can only operate so fast in france...
Which is actually not correct. We have two high speed tracks here in Germany where the Ice 3 can go up to 300 kmh and above. One between Frankfurt and cologne an the other between Munich in Berlin (parts of it)
He only meant, there's no direct high-speed connection from Frankfurt to the French border. Of course there are several high speed lines in Germany as well. France built the LGV est to connect its big cities Strasbourg and Paris. And the German high-speed railway lines have also been built to connect important cities like Munich, Nuremberg, Leipzig, Berlin ... or Frankfurt and Cologne etc.. Other, earlier high-speed lines connect Mannheim and Stuttgart, or Würzburg - Kassel- Hannover. They have been built during the '80s and have a top speed of 280kph though.
@@MrWomojo Christoph is right tho because the highest speed on german tracks is 300km/h (and not above), on the other hand france's LGV are up to 320km/h (as seen in the video)
@@GulaschHDTV You just didn't want to admit.
To many stops in Germany you can't go for 300 above in Germany. It would be a huge waste of energy and money to bring them over 300 and then stop 'em right away. That’s why the new ICE is designed for better acceleration and is good for the environment. You are faster with 250km/h and a fast acceleration than with 280 with "normal" acceleration. Of course it would be faster building high speed routes if the route would be hundreds of kilometers long but that isn't the case in Germany. The cities are to near. They’re planning a new 300km/h extra track between Frankfurt and Mannheim, the TGV (which is expected to not operate anymore Frankfurt-Paris anymore in 2030) and the ICE to Paris could go a little bit faster.
Lol, the ICE high speed trains look identical to the CRH380BL seen throughout the CRH high speed rail network
Hahahaha! The CRH3 is the Chinese Version of the Siemens Velaro ICE3.
China build them in licence! But, by they way, today China had learned (not stolen) from Germany and building now the better trains. take a look on the Fuxing train!
ruclips.net/video/WTEgJNO7TMw/видео.html
It's essentially the same train
what's the rush! I can hardly absorb the scenery at 300km.
Then you need to take a scenic route.
Pronto en México habrá y conectarán todo el país en 10 años :)
Damn, I wish the US had good railways.
announcements in german, france and german 🤔
KillFox I think he meant and English
In the Frankfurt/Stuttgart-Paris trains they announce in German, French and English. In the "ICE International" between Brussels and Basle they even announce also in Dutch which is quite funny between Cologne and Siegburg/Bonn as they start announcing Siegburg/Bonn shortly after having finished welcoming the new passengers joining at Cologne... 😀
will the service extend to italy czech and demark？
Nice informations and sick video
Very nice
Ice has a restaurant but TGV doesn't advertise on french's gastronomy...
It's a very spartiat train for sure!
Driver That Star Kiath Cool ICE 💪💪❄️❄️
Um desse em Itapipoca seria FANTASKO!