How to use Rubi Tile leveling system to eliminate tile lippage.
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If you are installing a large format tile, Lippage can be a problem. Lippage is when a tile adjacent to another tile is higher, at the grout joint, this is undesirable and will detract from a tile installation. A leveling system, or tile lippage system can be use to aid in bringing all the tiles into the same plain, and effectively eliminating lippage. This system by Rubi does a very good job at achieving just that, eliminating lippage. Porcelain tiles are getting larger and larger as time goes on, any tile with one side longer than 15" is considered a large format tile. These large format tiles are usually not flat, the manufacturing process cause the tiles to bow as they are made, some are bowed more than others, but all will have some degree curve to them, and the longer the tile, the more it becomes a problem. In this video I explain how to use the Rubi Tile Leveling Wedge system.
All tile installed by Sal DiBlasi, Elite-tile Company, in the Boston North Shore area. This video contains affiliate links, which means I will receive a small commission if you click on the product link.
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That is a great tip about tightening the wedges in the proper sequence so you don’t open the grout joints. I experienced that when installing my floor tile. Great video Sal. Bathroom looks awesome.
Ive been a tile setter for over 20 years and you are a master Sal. Great job and thanks for making us all look good.
Wow, thanks!
I just used this leveling system and it worked great. Just have to check do level vertically often and especially at a stopping point to make sure the clips did not pull the tiles in
i just got some of that tile leveling system. cant wait to try it out
Used to use lash clips for years, then went to level Tec. Just bought two bags for $120 Cdn, couldnt belive the price nowadays. Went and bought a bag of lash clips for$17 and live them now that they made the wedges so much bigger. Great system, and they break off on the perforations so much nicer. Im sticking with the lash style clips. Thanks for your videos Sal, as always on point
Thanks for watching my video.
Great vid Sal, getting ready to set the pan (Schluter System) and seal up the remaining bits. Flood test this weekend and tiles next week.
Sounds great!
Great video, showing full job, answered every question I had
Glad it helped
Nice work Sir! Great vid! I will definitely use these on my next renovation!
Awesome! Thank you!
Good tiling!!
Very informative Sal 👏
Glad it was helpful!
Nice job thank you
I’m going to buy it
Do you have a favorite leveling system?
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Hey Sal, I’ve watched many of you videos and just subscribed, I just wanted to say you are a perfect combination of old school craftsmanship and new methods. You are a true tradesman. One question, I’ve seen you use many different backer board systems, ie, Kerdi, Laticrete, etc, do you have a favorite? Great work Sal. 👍🏽 👍🏽
Most are Schluter.
Is that your preference?
Most times, but not always.
You should try the dta levelling system, we use them for wall tiles and plank tiles
I will be trying them for my first time this week because I am doing 12×24s on a shower wall.
Thanks Sal for another great video. I'm currently tiling a floor using a very similar levelling system (Tileasy). Do you have any tips for how to avoid the clips opening up the joints when ratcheted up when tiling a floor (not a wall)? Even when I wedge in the direction of the set tile, the joints open up.
Sal, I absolutely love the videos. Ive watched more in the past month than I have in the past 2 years. Leveling system seems like a genius product but I have a question about it. Its likely im not understanding it correctly. If you put a wedge on the tile and bring the two tiles in to plane, Does the leveling clip/wedge, not lift one tile out of the thin-set bed? Ive never used one but can think of a few times it would have been extremely useful. Thanks in advance for the education you provide so many.
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Great videos Sal! Really appreciate all the insight. Quick question, what's the smallest tile u would use these leveling wedges/clamps on?
12x12, but not really usually has to be at least 16" or more.
I don't know how much force you need to break those Rubi clips off next day but one i used i was able to remove them with vacuum floor brush attachment by standing and pushing them off without connected to vacuum, no need to crawl on floor for that.
I notice you dont put a wedge in corners. Do you use the level ust to make flat after placing tile in corners?
Hi Sal, thanks for the video. Do you think you would you be able to use this leveling system with soft natural stone like adamo limestone on a wall? Wondering if it could break the tile and/or scratch it when tightening the spacers up. Thanks!
Use a protection plate between the wedge and the tile, be sure to keep the tile clean while installing it. ruclips.net/video/Tzn6fgsX9QY/видео.html
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Is that a 600x300 tile , you recommend to put all them spacers on that tile, not overkill, I was the guy who got the metal Clips stuck afterb8/hours removing them, I bought this system today so watching your video, you do a beautiful job
I am using those to hang large format tile up under an eve. Even with Ardex 77 I can't go more than a row without bracing. Unfortunately due to the way the room squared up I had to work down the Eve because of a diagonal layout. My question is, would it be bad to take some Hardie board screws an anchor the spacers into the Hardie board to hold the tiles in place as I go. The spacers have those little notches in them... I'm using a half inch by half inch trowel.
Sal, do you always tile the ceiling? It seems all of the videos I watch you tile the ceiling. Thank you!
About 50% of the time.
Rubi makes a lot of nice stuff. Have you ever tried Levtec leveling system?
I have not, but I have tried quite a few different systems.
After installing your niche, do you wait for the mud to set or do you keep moving? what about the times you've used the hydro ban or other liquid applied products?
With Kerdi, just keep going, with liquid applied, you have to wait for it to dry.
How do you like this compared to say Tuscan? I'm looking to try a new one myself, and Rubi makes good stuff
Rubi does make good stuff, Tuscan is an old system, that works, but is outdated, modern systems are more versatile.
Good morning Sal. Which system do you prefer the Rubi or T-lock? I’ll be needing a new system soon and wanted to know your opinion. Thanks
t lock by far smaller profile so easier to tuck under tile and more flexiable
Ely Paintball Levtec has a even thinner base and the base can be used like a margin to move thinset away to avoid possible oozing.
Do they break out well enough not to prevent the grout from going bequest the tiles
Hi! When do you knock out the things? Before or after the thinset dries? Thanks!
Next day
When you use level master do you find you get more of the clip not breaking off? When i use it they dont all break off. Huge Pain going back and trying to cut the rest out....
It is very important to keep the grout lines clear and to break out the clips the very next day to avoid having them break out incorrectly. Here is another tip, always use the 1mm (1/32) clip in conjunction with a spacer of the grout size you want. Since gout lines should never be less than 1/16 the clips will never be pinched between the tiles, and if one does break incorrectly, easy enough to cut out with a sharp utility knife because the plastic is very thin.
I picked up a bunch of the rubi leveling system clips/wedges/tool but noticed they are the white ones instead of red, are these as good as the ones you used?
Color is dependent on the grout width you choose.
How do you stop the grout line gap opening more?
What is the best leveling system in your opinion?
Some brands of leveling systems have flat clips and curved clips. When do you use each?
Flat for gauged tile, curved for ungauged tile.
Do you notice any difference between the different wedge lippage systems like the Rubi vs the lash system at home Depot
Lash is a DIY system, Rubi is a professional system.
Ok awesome but what the difference. Y is Rubi professional and lash diy. That's like say Makita is professional and Ridgid is diy. The look and are installed the same. Maybe this is more of an advertisement and that's fine but I wish you would tell me if it is. Hopefully you'll respond with a reason.
Also I saw the picture you posted this morning of the tile surround and ceiling. Looked awesome
If you have ever used the products, you would immediately be able to tell the difference, just because they look the same does not mean they are the same. The small size of the wedges makes them difficult to use on a large scale, they are hard on the hands, and tedious to use. The larger scale of the pro products, make them more user friendly, the quality of the products are also on a different level. There are DIY products sold in Box Stores, and they are pro products, some of which are also sold in box stores, up to you to figure which is which. You never see a pro using a diy product, like the lash system, just go online and look for an example, if you do it is probably a handyman pretending to know what they are doing. I never shop those store for tile products. I use first rate stuff that make it easier to achieve a better result.
Hey sal
U ever use the qep leveling system
I have it works better than I thought
What’s ur thoughts
Qep is a diy product.
They are all terrible. Gimmicky product if you do the proper prep work before you start the install,and use the correct setting procedure i.e. combing on the thinset in one direction and back butter large format lug back tile you will never have reason to use these horrible products. The main reason lippage occurs is because the prep work isn't done. What this productdoes is teaches the less experienced tile setter to do is skip the necessary prep work and in the long run it makes for a lazy tile man, and gives the customer an improperly installed tile job. Teach the new tile setters that the most important part of ANY job is the prep. Ive been a tile mechanic for 30 years and im not opposed to new ideas but i know gimmicky when i see it. The last thing our industry needs are lazy inexperienced guys calling themselves tile mechanics.
How does this compare with T-lock? That's the only thing that looks like t-lock that's available near me.
T-Lock is a great system.
Is a 1/16 grout line to small for 12x12 or 12x24?
Unless the tile is rectified, you should not use 1/16" grout line should be wider.
I was using 1/8" clips but getting a lot of squeeze through, which got between the clips and the tile and made my grout line more than 1/8". Sal, what do you think about using 1/16" clips just for levelling combined with 1/8" horseshoe spacers so squeeze through doesn't affect my spacing? Is it a bad idea? Thanks.
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On average how much does it cost to use this system to install let’s say 1000 feet.. nice round number. I’ve been installing for years and was thinking about trying this.
Thanks and great video
If you are an installer, then you should be using a leveling system for at least some of your installs, the cost should be passed on to the customer, it is a consumable just like thinset and grout. Buy it in bulk so you have it when you need it.
Sal DiBlasi so $30 for 1000 feet? $20? I’m not counting the parts I can reuse. I was looking for just a ruff guesstimate
Thanks
@@jasongtivr6 Sorry, i don't talk about cost for anything, I made that mistake in the past. Pick your system, see what they recommend for quantity for the type and size of tile you intend to install and go from there.
Tile size Required per ft² Required per m²
12" x 24" (30cm x 60cm) 2 clips 22 clips
18" x 36" (45cm x 90cm) 1.8 clips 20 clips
18" x 36" (45cm x 90cm) 1 Clip 12 clips
24" x 24" (60cm x 60cm) 1 clip 11 clips
8" x 39" (20cm x 100cm) 3 clips 50 clips
can i use ditra on a plank flooring? I have 5/8 tungue and groove.
In most cases yes, but you need to determine what the joist spacing is and qht the deflection is. resources.schluter.com/media/psi/lowes/DITRA%20Installation%20Handbook.pdf
Do you use the tile leveling system on the ceiling of the shower too? Also, can you tell me the best technique for tiling the shower ceiling. I assume it is very time consuming or you need a support to keep each tile in place while it sets.
Yes used it on the ceiling and use a no sag thinset and they will not fall.
Sal DiBlasi thank you! You’re work is awesome and the tutorials are extremely helpful! Great to see such quality craftsmanship
Hi sal .is this system new from Rubi for levelling tile . Thanks
Yes this is their new wedge system.
I see your vids and they are very neat and good looking completed jobs. But the use of products like these have a tendency to make the newer less experienced tile setter to skip the most important part of any job and thats the prep. If the wall is preped correctly and the proper techniques are used in combing the thinset and back buttering tiles that are large format then these types of products are unnecessary. Would it be possible for you to do a video of the old school methods from start to finish not using any of the new products? All mud work. Walls, floor,ceiling. That type of work is becoming a lost art. Thats how i learned to do tile over 30 years ago and i must say that if you know how to do it that way then you can see how unnecessary some of the new products are. Your work is very clean and neat and your finished product looks very nice buti think the next generation of tile mechanics would be better if they learned some of the old methods before learning all the short cuts.
I have heard your argument time and again, and frankly, I am not going to argue it again, A leveling system is a tool, nothing more nothing less, it does not replace skill, it enhances it. Tiles used to be small and flat, today they are large and have a bow in them. Floating is becoming a lost art, it is not coming back for better or worse, you can remain in the past, and be left behind, or you can move forward and incorporate the new systems into your skill set. In the end, floating is just a way to get flat surface, today you can do the same with new systems, with far less effort. If you want to work harder than you have to to end up with the same result, then go ahead, don't claim that there is only one way to do it, that just shows you don't know or have no interest in modern methods. You have 30 years in the trade, I have more than you, I embrace new methods and materials, they make my life easier and allow me to continue to install without sacrificing quality and my body thanks me for it every day.
This is Genesis clips in England. I was advised not to use theses clips on 12mm thick wall tiles slate honed.
long or LF-tiles have a curve in the middle and are recommended to be set in 3rds...!!!!!
Hi I have a problem with the tile that i bought there's a tile bigger about 2mm than other what should I do please help me
Watch this video. not really much you can do if you already started setting your tile.
What is the orange subfloor you used?
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Can you use these with Ditra heat? Thanks
Yes
Sal DiBlasi Thank you!
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Is this as good as lev tec,raimondi??
Never used Levtec, but better than Raimondi for sure in my opinion.
@@SalDiBlasi how are they better then raimondi?
Why is this better than riamondi,
Are the clips stronger than riamondi?
perfect master level are the best ones tbh small profile dont break easy
i was going to subscribe, but i dont see any replies to people's questions.
I usually am very good at replying, just can't get to them all.
White muck then grey grout.grey muck grey grout.and show some bigger jobs you only show 1 day jobs
So you haven't seen any of my other 700+ videos.
Im not a fan of the clip systems. I prefer the spin on systems. Take a look at Spin Doctor or Level Max. So much easier to use and easier on the hands at the end of the day
Tried them all, matter of preference.