The Permanence View of Marriage l Voddie Baucham
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- The Permanence View of Marriage l Voddie Baucham
GfBC holds to the permanence view of marriage. In this sermon from Matthew 5:31-32, Dr. Baucham gives a Biblical defense of that position and explains the differences between the three predominate views held by evangelical churches today.
Matthew 5:31-32
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Voddie Baucham's logic here is flawed. He says it's ok for the 2nd marriage to continue while the original (left behind) spouse is still alive. The marriage covenant is til DEATH do us part. If the original spouse is still alive, the original covenant is still in place...even after one of the original spouses leaves to be in a 2nd marriage. Why would he encourage the 2nd marriage to continue under the guise of not wanting to repeat the sin again? Repentance is supposed to bear fruit. If one is repentant of a sin, how could they REMAIN in that sin? The right thing to do is to END the 2nd marriage. Then, obey 1Corinthians 7:10-11 ~ remain single OR go back to their original spouse. Also, even when God divorced His people in Jeremiah 3:8-10, He called them back to Himself a few verses later in Jeremiah 3:12, 14. God didn't go and get remarried to someone else and live happily ever after. The original people(spouse) were RECONCILED back to Him. Let God be the example to follow.
The Permanence view runs into all such exegetical difficulties
Amen brother. That's why paul said we all must speak the same thing. Not allowed to add to the scriptures and twist it. Voddie baucham Contradict the scriptures. He stifle the truth to people who living in adultery. Romans 1:18. He should be saying you must repent give up that second marriage. Read hebrews 13 4:6 and 1corinthians 7 8;9 widows and widoer can remarry.
Voddie contradicts both scripture and hmself
Thank you Pastor Baucham. When my husband divorced me my kids kept trying to set me up with men and I told them no not happening. When I became a born-again Christian I looked up these passages and I knew that the Holy Spirit had been speaking to me. I feel very comfortable with my decision. My ex is still living. At this point in time I feel that I will not remarry because Jesus is my husband and truthfully I think He wanted it that way. And though my children really do not understand this because they are Catholic oh, they have come to understand that I am not looking. So thank you for clarifying this because it really does help.
beautiful. God bless you ❤🙏
Praise Jesus!
Wow. Just wow. 😢😢. I’m so touched to see this understanding in today’s western society ESPECIALLY in the US.
This man who I will not call pastor just twisted the scripture and no one saw it because he covered it in truth like Satan. Bless you for staying single because you are bearing a heavy cross for the truth
@@ronlee5571hey quit being sorry for being in the US already! It’s worse in many other places. The whole world is in rebellion.
I've been divorced for 23 yrs (from age 28). I knew back then i could not remarry, according to God's Word. No one agreed. In fact, i was being encouraged to remarry. I absolutely refuted those who tried (church, family, friends and still do). I wasnt well versed in the Bible, but i knew the strong impression placed on my heart back then and still to this day by God. Paul even warned it was better to remain single (1 Cor 7: 8-9) because he understood how sacred marriage is to God. There is no excuse. I do not want to be part of the "many" spoken of in Matthew 7:13.🙏 God has been so faithful to me - none can compare! ❤
I’m so glad that I listened to the entire sermon. I have committed adultery long ago, repented and so did my wife. We asked God to forgive us and He actually showed us both together in scripture that He forgave us. We are both saddened of our past BUT we are totally 100% committed to each other and will stay married until DEATH do us part! Real talk,we are both so happy because of the grace that we could never destroy what God has given us. We have a new appreciation for God’s word and His Son, Jesus. It will NEVER be destroyed with divorce!!!!❤
My mom and dad never married. My mother had many different men. I was blind and now I see!
Thanks for Listening!
This is an awesome testimony that you and your wife were able to restore your marriage and your commitment to each other.
Are you saying that you committed remarriage adultery? If so watch David pawson.
You are in a second marriage I can tell by your asking eachother and god for forgiveness. That's not how it works. It says commiteth adultery not implying a one time act. Read the book except for fornication by Daniel jennings. Or remarriage is adultery unless by David pawson. It says in the bible if a man divorces his wife and marries another he commits adultery then it says causes her to commit adultery how can that be if they are divorced? God will forgive your adultery if you repent. It also says that if awoken leaves her husband for another man she shall be called an adultress. Remarriage adultery is continuos
Pastor voddie preached permance in marriage no loopholes. Then he said you can stay in a second marriage. Where when why and how did the permanace of the first end?
I have been slowly moving towards this view on theological grounds recently when considering how marriage is a picture of the gospel. If God is OK with divorce and remarriage on grounds of adultery, then every time I commit adultery against Him, that is every time that I sin, He would be Biblically required to divorce me. If Christ were to divorce me due to my many sins I would have no hope. But God has promised that He would keep me for eternity (John 18:9) and not cast me out for my unfaithfulness in my Christian life. This truth absolutely floors me, and it is beautiful to everyone to see that worked out when a married couple can struggle through the most difficult time when one party has strayed and show to the world what true repentance looks like and what God's forgiveness looks like also. I certainly pray that if God does delight to give me a wife, that I never have to deal with this, but that if I do that I can model Christ in His love for me.
fornication, is the exception, not adultery....the issue is that married couples that stray, dont commit forincation, they commit adultery.
Exactly
@philipbuckley759 Hey brother, Unfortunately Voddie says that the remarriage is a one time act of adultery which disqualifies his preaching. He's right about the permanence of marriage, but it isn't just an "act of adultery" and IS on-going adultery as long as you remain in the remarriage while your first spouse is still alive. In the KJV it says "committeth adultery", and just like Jesus forgave the woman caught in an act of adultery, Jesus commanded "go and sin no more." Adulterers do not go to heaven if they stay in adultery. Repent or perish. Confess and forsake the sin to be given mercy- Proverbs 28:13. Hebrews 13:4 God will surely judge the fornicators and adulterers. Too bad he does not call people to live holy and alone unless they can reconcile. 1 Corinthians 7:10-11. We live under the Law of Christ, not the law of Moses in Deuteronomy. Blessings and Maranatha.
Amen, brother..keep the faith!
@@philipbuckley759what’s the difference? 🤔
Do you hear this preaching? This Pastor is one of the last remnants of our era to defend this subject with all that faithfulness. Out fallen culture has penetrated into our church and kept 99% of pastors’s minds. Study bible deeply, sanctity yourselves and be ready under the Saint blood of Christ to preach the gospel.
Kenneth Copland is living in adultery. He's not qualify for his pastor position. 1timothy 3 1:5. He's blamed not blameless.
My husband divorced me after our 22 anniversary (2 years ago). He was active in 2 affairs...one with a family "friend"...which I discovered in 2019...and one with my twin sister...which was revealed about 6 months ago.
I have been in turmoil & travail.
That betrayal had been ongoing for several years!
Yet, the Lord protected me & held me in His Everlasting arms of comfort!
Psalm 25: 4-5 has been my daily cry:
"Show me Your ways Lord, teach me Your Paths. Guide me in Your truth and teach me, for You are God, my savior, and my hope is in You all day long."
Every day! Only God can redeem, restore & fix this!
Thank you for the hope & confidence this message gives in confirmation of how the Holy Spirit has been guiding me! I can rejoice that , even in the pain, (Psalm 23)...He leads me in paths of righteousness (right standing with Him) for His name's sake!
Amen!❤🎉
Please pray for my marriage of 9 years last week. We have been dealing with abandonment (me), infidelity (husband), and loss of emotions (both, at times), for almost 4 of those years. We both want to save our marriage or we wouldn't still be here, but I feel I'm more desperate and willing to save us than him. He acts so indifferent and cold, completely distant. I can tell God is working through him but so is Satan. Please pray our marriage will withstand these trials and our family will stay together. In Jesus name. God bless.
I completely understand and am going through similar situations in my marriage… my wife was fighting for us a couple months ago, when I was living in sin, and now since March, we have switched… divorce has come up… I am following in the Lord and His word, and praying for the Holy Spirit to work in her, me, and our family… we have two beautiful children from God, and I am praying God will protect them and our marriage, and while I wait on God for my wife to turn to Him and back to our marriage, I strive to work out my own salvation and to be the best dad I need to be as well as love my wife. Thank you for sharing, and I’ll be praying for you sister 🙏 keep trusting in Christ
I am so sorry to hear of these difficulties in your marriage. I sincerely hope the last month since you posted it has been better, but I will most certainly be praying for you and your husband both that God reach out to each of you and that your faithfulness to keep the marriage going is rewarded in full by our Heavenly Father. Your struggles are not in vain and God is still with you. Keep up the good fight knowing that your fellow believers are praying for you!
Because divorce is so rampant, Christ's exception clause to the man is now declared to be some loophole for hard-hearted men.
Prophecy despising pastors think this will curb the increasing divorce rate.
What will curb the divorce rate, is getting back to the KJV Bible and THEM obeying 1 Timothy 5:20 KJV and 21 and 1 Corinthians 5 KJV in the Real Bible.
Please stop condemning faithful spouses because you won't do your job, elders and Pastors!
God instituted marriage, and it's remarkable that in the second chapter of Genesis, there's a statement that Jesus later quoted and that Paul references as fundamental. Genesis 1 says, "God made male and female." Genesis 2 states that it's "right for a man to leave his own family, to leave his parents and to cleave to his wife." The word "cleave" is powerful; it signifies being glued to his wife, sticking and staying attached to her for as long as they both shall live. This sets the standard for the relationship between male and female as intended by God: one man married to one woman for life.
Wow. I agree with a lot of your teachings, but you threw me off when you admitted to how your church views divorce.
No divorce under any circumstance? That's really pushing over the line of legalism especially when Jesus already told us what our out was in Matthew 19:9 which i explain later. How do you suggest people in dangerously abusive marriages deal with it? Do you just have them sit in their misfortune until their killed? What about the children that are born in those circumstances? Do you just allow them to possibly go through something no different than the spouse? Do you expect children to succumb to that as well? Abusive partners don't stop at their spouses so in your view you believe everyone under an abusive relationship, including the children should just take it until their killed or so emotionally unstable that they commit suicide, because they believe they have no other way out according to that view. It's absolutely doubtful to believe that God would allow us to be subjected to something as heinous as that without an out. Not to mention the sexual abuse and problems that come with a spouse like that. A lot of these spouses are also adulterous so now this church view is also succumbing these victims to multitudes of sexual diseases including the children who are more than likely sexually abused also.
So, what then do you do with spouses who eventually kill off their current spouse and moves on to another person since in your view death is the only way out? What happens then with the new spouse who in your view has just acquired another victim? You can't do anything to someone who was able to get out of their marriage through their spouse's suicide, because someone killing themselves doesn't fall on the abuser nor is it a crime they can justly say falls on them when they don't understand or know the dynamics of that marriage. These types of marriages create a cycle of people who grow up in environments like this that are no better than their abusers. In that you are perpetuating and fighting for broken families to stay broken. I feel that you are not clearly seeing how dangerous the other side of this is.
Also, the word Porneia in the context of Matt 19: 9 is a broad term that includes sexual immorality AND licentiousness which means a disregard of accepted moral rules and standards, lack of moral restraint, dissoluteness and lasciviousness. So basically, anything within the marriage that could violate the marriage vows, not just sexual immorality. And this isn't something that's been done once and was forgiven by the spouse but a constant refusal to good Godly behavior within marriage. In this context, the oaths and vows that people take have already been broken once a spouse turns on their spouses. So in that, how does the permanence view constitute Gods intention for marriage when their vows have already been broken irreparably outside of sexual immorality?
Regardless, I can't stand behind not being able to divorce under any circumstance. Not just because of the abuse I endured growing up, but because my mother almost tried to kill herself and now faces a multitude of mental health issues because she tried holding onto that farce of a marriage for so long, regardless of how me and my siblings were being treated or even herself. The way of marriage in the beginning was good because it was devoid of sexually immoral practices AND ABUSE in any way. It was a MUTUAL, CONSENTING PARTNERSHIP guided by the love of God. Personally, anything outside of how God created marriage to be between a man and woman morally and sexually shouldn't even be called a marriage. I understand that with sin in the world marriage will never be perfect like God intends it to be, but it definitely shouldn't be so off kilter that someone dies or is changed permanently because of it. My marriage is annoying at times but even i know that i have no reason to divorce my husband over petty things. Then for you to say that the person wanting a divorce is the problem is such a manipulative thing to say to people who may be victims, and not only that this whole view just gives fuel to abusive spouses that live and breathe to hurt their spouses and thrive off the fact that in your view their spouse can never leave them which only perpetuates and inflames the abuse.
Regardless, the permeance view is dangerous outside good marriages so the blood is on your hands within a congregation if something happens and I hope you can handle the guilt of that.
Amen.🤲🌹🙏
You're not disagreeing with Voddie.
You are disagreeing with The Word.
Voddie didn't make the rules.
He's simply trying to carry out Scripture better than Moses did
I think Voddie is a awesome Bible teacher. But I disagree with him on some points.
Voddie believes in the ongoing validity of God’s Law (which I do as well)… but didn’t seem to realize that the “porneia” (sexual impurity) mentioned in Matthew 19 refers BACK to the “uncleanness” mentioned in Deuteronomy 24.
Even in Ephesians Paul says “but fornication (porneia) and all UNCLEANNESS, let it not be named once among you….”
This indicates that fornication is classified as “uncleanness”. Which is what Deuteronomy 24 is referring to.
God’s Law which is timeless AND perfect allows for divorce in the special case of sexual sin. (Deuteronomy 24)
God also divorced Israel for the same thing (adultery/unfaithfulness)… (Jeremiah 3:8; Isaiah 50:1; Hosea 2)
Also, Christ said “what God has joined together LET NOT man put asunder.”
He never says that it “cannot” be put asunder, but that it SHOULDNT be put asunder. Which indicates that a marriage CAN be broken apart… even though in most cases it would be wrong to do so.
But in ANY other case, divorce should not be done. Remarriage coupled with divorce is clearly adultery.
That’s all Jesus was referring to in Matthew.
You're not disagreeing with Voddie.
Voddie didn't make the rules.
You're disagreeing with God
Thank you for this one. I've been married 30+ years and have always said I'm committed to the commitment. But today listening to this sermon, I've truly learned the importance of holding ourselves to the same standard of commitment Jesus has given us, the church, his bride.
I don't agree entirely. So, a wife is supposed to remain married to a man who is a liar, has betrayed the trust within the marriage by watching pornography over and over again? It's disgusting, as a woman, to have sex with a husband who has watched other women having sex together! You know that's what he's thinking about the whole time you're having sex. No sir, that is disgusting. Isn't the husband supposed to treat his wife as Jesus treats the church? A man will never see this from a woman's point of view. Sorry, it's filthy to sleep with your husband who is thinking about another woman while he's having sex with his wife. Just gross. No woman should have to endure this abuse. So, because the husband does this, the woman should never find someone who is truly a christian and keeps his vows? Don't agree.
Completely agree. I get so tired of preachers letting men and women slide with their unfaithfulness in marriage (adultery, pornography, etc) like it’s only some struggle with their flesh and then expect the faithful spouse to stick around when Christ says they don’t have to. I know that they’re trying to preserve marriage because of the divorce rate but have they paid attention to the pornography rate?? That statistic alone tells me that there are a WHOLE lot of unconverted men and women in the churches. Sad times we live in. Judgement Day is near.
I am heart broken. I followed Voddie on every concept so far. So many verses to come to this one. I am so confused. At 52:58 the only thing that can end a marriage is 1. Death of the living spouse or 2. A remarriage ends the first marriage? This is not a Permanence view, it is a waffle cone.
There's a good reason you are confused. Do not receive the untruth that divorce makes you an idolator. We are not to follow mans every Word, we are to follow Gods every word. And Voddie has added tk the Word things that are not there.
@benelias3556 you see that Voddie has added to the word on this matter?
@@NothingButBiblicalTeachings if you could possibly spiritually appraise the word you would not ask me that question. It is not that so-called Pastor who was preaching place to even discuss divorce behind a Pulpit. You Christians crack me up! At the same time you grieve the Holy Spirit Within Me. The speaker is nothing more than someone who went to Seminary, got a piece of paper telling him he was a Minister, then got a job.Not a calling mind you, but a job as a pastor, that was the job title. If any of you could possibly grasp the entire spiritual meaning of the word you would not even touch the subject of marriage behind a Pulpit. You actually believe that someone who doesn't know Jesus is legally married in the sight of God. That alone tells me that you have never been baptized in the Holy Spirit and you cannot possibly spiritually appraise a single scripture.
@@benelias3556 marriage is just a piece of paper if you're only marriage certificate is that of a 3rd party like the government... That is not marriage... If you get abandoned by a husband, and cheats on you... You are free to divorce him and vice versa... That's God's words
Amen! Preach it sister
I live in a large metropolitan area and can’t find this kind of straight talk preaching anywhere. We need this in every pulpit.
My ex husband divorced me after 27 years of marriage and married his affair. I have never been at peace about remarriage and now I better understand why.
Experiencing something similar. Husband divorced me after 28 years for another woman. Heartbreaking and crushing. But I believe God would have me to remain single and see myself as His bride rather than trying to pursue another relationship. This is sound, biblical truths that is difficult to live but His grace will see us through.
How, this is what I unfortunately must endure now. Because I know
You must check out pastor gino jennings about remarry and divorce. God don't accept divorce. You both bound for life until death. 1corinthians 7 10:11 . Moses granted divorce not God. Like the courts granted. Jesus Christ said fornication. You can put her or him away if they fornicated. Not married yet. Marry people don't fornicate they commit adultery.
So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
According to this video, if you have a living spouse, you are only in Adultery at the marriage ceremony or the first time you have sexual relations.
But, whatever makes it a sin is still in place, it is therefore still a sin.
You end up with, instead of one committing adultery and maybe can be taught and saved, you end up with a committed adulterer, who now believes their adultery is ok.
Horrible teachin😢😢😢
Pastor voddie I am praying for you that the lord bless you with many more years and strength so you may continue to proclaim the gospel with power. I have been very very blessed listening to you. God bless you
Thanks for listening
how would leaving an unholy union be a sin? that makes no sense at all. If Christ says to the woman at the well, "the one you have now is not your husband" then wouldn't that mean she should be reconciled to her actual husband? there would be no reconciliation for those in unholy unions
there is no information given, so this is the fallacy of appeal to silence....
We don't know if all five husbands had died, but this one was either adultery or fornication if the covenant husband was dead. Hosea was married to a prostitute, and he received her back without divorcing her. Marriage is for life.
Where is the grace of God? There is no permanence, permissive view in a “chosen” relationship. Only God’s Grace granting you the right to remarry as the apostle Paul said and as God (not only permitted) to David but granted “permanence” with Bathsheba. The church needs to do away with control.
grace does not cover sin.....
David.... A man after God's own heart
Amen Brother!
I'm confused here when he says that divorced and remarried people are not committing adultery with every act of intimacy. Quite contradictory in terms of consumation, i can't accept this view pastor
Repentance means to stop the sin. You can’t do that if you are in a sinful union. This makes no sense to me either.
That's right. Paul said we must speak the same thing 1corinthians 1:10. He also gave example about the woman at the well . She was married 6 times. But Jesus Christ called her out on Adulterous marriage. But she repent and went to the village. Only death you can remarry. Read 1corinthians 7 8:9. It said unmarried and widows. You can marry again.
Matthew 5:17-18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Permanence folks: “Jesus voids Deuteronomy 24:1-4 in Matthew 5:31-32 because Moses snuck it into the inspired cannon against the will of God.”
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Exactly! The way ppl are acting is as if Moses' decision to allow divorce and remarriage was unilateral- independent of God.
Why do we say God is the same yesterday, today and forever, but remove importance from certain scriptures that are eternally relevant?
Why are Matthew 5:17-18 now not relevant or factored into the way we understand this subject?
Why are Moses and/or Apostle Paul's sharings about marriage not as relevant now as what Jesus said concerning the topic? Shouldn't all their comments be taken as the entire counsel of God and read together for the full counsel of God?
*Biblical Marriage: 1 man + 1 woman = One Flesh til Death do you Part*
Mark 10:2-12; 1 Corinthians 7:10-11;
1 Corinthians 7:39; Romans 7:2-3; Luke 16:18
*Remarriage after Divorce while 1st Spouse Lives = Adultery*
Romans 7:2-3; Luke 16:18 Mark 10:6-12
Adulterers Do Not Inherit the Kingdom of God: 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Unless they Confess and Forsake their Sin: Proverbs 28:13; Luke 13:3
What about deut 24? Matthew 19:9? Jesus saying that the woman had the well was married multiple times (i.e. he recognised those marriages - there was not just one to start with and she is still married to the first)? @john_811KJV
This is reverse-pharisiac legalistic view. Basic rules of interpreting Scriptures or any document mangled to arrive at a preferred view.
Ordinarily a competent teacher except when trying to work towards a preferred conclusion.
Voddie: always let the Bible speak even if it leads away from a view you do not prefer
Remarriage while your original spouse is alive (if you were their original spouse) is adultery. Repentance requires STOPPING THE SIN and SINNING NO MORE - thus getting out of the adulterous remarriage. We would not say a homosexual marriage is okay if they continue to stay married, neither is an adulterous remarriage okay by staying in it.
This is how God feels about divorce:
"Yet you say, “For what reason?” Because the Lord has been witness Between you and the wife of your youth, With whom you have dealt treacherously; Yet she is your companion And your wife by covenant. But did He not make them one, Having a remnant of the Spirit? And why one? He seeks godly offspring. Therefore take heed to your spirit, And let none deal treacherously with the wife of his youth. “For the Lord God of Israel says That He hates divorce, For it covers one’s garment with violence,” Says the Lord of hosts. “Therefore take heed to your spirit, That you do not deal treacherously.” '
Malachi 2:14 - 16 NKJV
Only the book of Matthew contains the "except for fornication" permission to divorce, as only the book of Matthew was specifically written for the Jews and the Jewish culture understood that this "fornication" meant sexual unfaithfulness in the betrothal/engagement period (not after the marriage was consummated by sexual union between the husband and wife). An example of this is shown where Joseph wanted to DIVORCE the mother of Jesus, Mary, before they had consummated their marriage as it appeared that she had been unfaithful as she was pregnant prior to having sex with Joseph.
"Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together (sexually), she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." - Matthew 1:18 - 25 KJV
(Jesus speaking) "It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication (the Greek word "porneia"), causeth her to commit adultery (the Greek word "moicheia") and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery." - Matthew 5:31 - 32 KJV
(Jesus speaking) "I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery." - Matthew 19:9 KJV
Note no fornication clause in the rest of the gospels, because it was specifically written to the gentiles which did not have the strict betrothal customs like the Jews:
(Jesus speaking) "Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery." - Luke 16:18 KJV
(Jesus speaking) "And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery." - Mark 10:11 - 12 KJV
The ONLY permission for remarriage is the death of the original spouse:
(Paul speaking) "For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man." - Romans 7:2 - 3 KJV
Lastly, abandonment by a spouse does not allow remarriage to another. You must either reconcile or stay unmarried.
(Paul speaking) "And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage (to perform the marital duties - this does not allow remarriage) in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?" - 1 Corinthians 7:10 - 16 KJV
John the Baptist took the divorce and remarriage adultery so serious, that he lost his head over it via decapitation by Herod:
But when Herod heard, he said, “This is John, whom I beheaded; he has been raised from the dead!” For Herod himself had sent and laid hold of John, and bound him in prison for the sake of Herodias, his brother Philip’s wife; for he had married her. Because John had said to Herod, “It is not lawful for you to have your brother’s wife.” - Mark 6:16 - 18 NKJV
Of all the laws in the Old Testament, Paul emphasized only four - and abstaining from sexual immorality (which is what remarriage is while your original spouse is alive) is one of them:
(Paul speaking) "For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell." - Acts 15:28 - 29 NKJV
Having children in an adulterous remarriage does not make it any less important to exit that adulterous remarriage as shown in Ezra 10 where they the people had to repent (stop being a part of) unlawful marriages, some of which resulted in offspring ("All these had taken pagan wives, and some of them had wives by whom they had children."
Ezra 10:44 NKJV).
'Now therefore, let us make a covenant with our God to put away all these wives and those who have been born to them, according to the advice of my master and of those who tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law. Arise, for this matter is your responsibility. We also are with you. Be of good courage, and do it. ” Ezra 10:3 - 4 NKJV
Staying in an adulterous remarriage can take you to hell:
(Paul speaking) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor ADULTERERS, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such WERE (note, they did not stay in their sinful acts as repentance requires STOPPING THE SIN) some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. - 1 Corinthians 6:9 - 11 KJV
(Continued)
In Jeremiah 3 God is directly referring to Deuteronomy 24 - it is referring to God putting Israel, His wife, away. And he goes AGAINST Deut. 24 and tells her to come back to Him - even after she then "becomes another man's":
'They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the Lord .'
Jeremiah 3:1 KJV
In the SAME chapter, God gives her a bill of DIVORCE:
"And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also."
Jeremiah 3:8 KJV
Still in the same chapter, AFTER God has given her a bill of divorce, He states that he is STILL married to her - the bill of divorce therefore did not nullify their marriage:
"Turn, O backsliding children, saith the Lord ; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:"
Jeremiah 3:14 KJV
Jeremiah 3 shows that God is not following Deuteronomy 24's divorce law - because He does not have a hard heart. That law applied to the Israelites, who had hard hearts, under Moses' leadership.
Jesus also says that this law in Deuteronomy 24 was given for those under Moses due to their hard hearts. He clearly says that He does not give us that permission - we are not to have hard hearts, but we are to forgive our husbands/wives and wait for them to repent and reconcile with them when they sin against us.
"He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery."
Matthew 19:8 - 9 KJV
"Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven. Therefore the kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. And when he had begun to settle accounts, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. But as he was not able to pay, his master commanded that he be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and that payment be made. The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, ‘Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’ Then the master of that servant was moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt. “But that servant went out and found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii; and he laid hands on him and took him by the throat, saying, ‘Pay me what you owe!’ So his fellow servant fell down at his feet and begged him, saying, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’ And he would not, but went and threw him into prison till he should pay the debt. So when his fellow servants saw what had been done, they were very grieved, and came and told their master all that had been done. Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him. “So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”
Matthew 18:21 - 35 NKJV (note that this chapter is the chapter directly before Jesus' teaching of divorce due to hardness of heart)
Praise God that He does not divorce us and marry another. When He puts us away or divorces us, He waits for us to repent and reconcile with Him. Praise God that His heart is not hard. Beg God to give you a heart of flesh to forgive your covenant husband/wife, 490 times (seventy times seven times), lest He not forgive you on Judgment Day for your trespasses against Him, which I assure you are much, much greater than 490.
Divorce with adulterous remarriage is for the hard hearted. Woe to you if you are counted amongst the hard hearted on Judgment Day:
"But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;"
Romans 2:5 KJV
A hard heart is evidence that the Spirit of God is not in that person:
"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh."
Ezekiel 36:26 KJV
"Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: ADULTERY, FORNICATION, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensiones, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."
Galatians 5:19 - 21
"For this ye know, that no WHOREMONGER, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of wthese things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them."
Ephesians 5:5 - 7
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither FORNICATORS, nor idolaters, nor ADULTERERS, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such WERE (note, they did not stay in their sinful acts as repentance requires STOPPING THE SIN) some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. - 1 Corinthians 6:9 - 11
"Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and SEXUALLY IMMORAL and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie."
Revelation 22:14 - 15
Well expounded
@@Woman_in_the_Wilderness Gal 5:19-21 Wow! You just described a majority of the Christian church today
"We would not say a homosexual marriage is okay if they continue to stay married, neither is an adulterous remarriage okay by staying in it
1. is homosexual marriage "a thing" in God's eyes? I caution "Christians" who have swallowed this madness.. biblical marriage is a covenant between a man and a woman, so homosexual unions should not be held in the context of adulterous remarriage.
2. Ezra 10 is not about divorce and remarriage, so i don't see how it plays in this context. God's instruction to Israel was not to marry outside of the 12 tribes of Israel, they realized their sin, and sought a way to correct it. Are you saying then that today if I a non-jew marry a jew we have sinned and should therefore be divorced? Are you saying that because there is precedent for marriages being broken up in the old testament we should now have fresh divorces (which God hates) to correct that error. Are we saying that all Gentiles be circumcised so that we can be seen as true followers of God? Be careful how you use Ezra 10 in this context.
Im with Voddie on this one the act of remarrying when your spouse is alive is the adultery. After you are married that is a new covenant and therefore not continuous adultery. Repent of the adulterous mistake /choice you made and move forward. I do not believe that repenting always means that a decision can be reversed, or else ppl with children out of wedlock (fornication) will need to get rid of their kids.
But as Christians we are meant to repent of our sins. If two people committed adultery by remarriage after divorce shouldn't they separate in order to end the sin ( as with other sins)?
No. One would be committing the same sin again, if you divorce again. He explains this. Listen to the entire message.
Thank you
Grace to you
The difference in Ezra chapter 10 and divorce and remarriage in general is God had instructed Israel not to marry Pagan wives. So many men had married pagan wives Israel's sanctification to God had been greatly compromised. So the unusual step of mass divorce was taken in order to reconstitute Israel's consecration to God.
On the other hand remarriage was not prohibited after divorce was conceded. A woman given a divorce certificate and sent away was allowed to remarry as the law of Deuteronomy 24:1-4 reveals. She was then married to her present husband and bound to him. She was not required to remain perpetually single.
After the wife was remarried the first husband was not allowed to remarry his ex-wife (v.4). She may have had a penitent heart for what divorced caused her to commit, but she was not required to divorce her current husband. There is no divorcing (or separating) the current marriage for "repentance sake" in God's Word.
Those who claim so has created a new narrative for interpreting Jesus' teaching on divorce. Be careful not to follow the new narrative. Blessings
Wolf gives truth left and right then drops the ball at minute # 52:51 saying just stay in your adulterous marriage. WOW how does that works with the rest of the sins in Galatians 5:19-21????
this is par, for the course....you should hear Billy Grahams interviews, when he was really old....
EXACTLY! Voddie DROPPED it bad here! He will pay dearly for leading others to hell!
@@Glory.To.God.In.The.HighestHe sure did!!!!
I guess you've never read Hosea ... At all
Jesus never gives permission for divorce. Ever.
So, Voddie is just explaining Jesus' words.
Voddie didn't make the rules
He just shares them
Thank you, pastor Baucham for clarification on marriage.
Are we going the trust our future with a plaster or Jesus Christ
I have never been so filled by the spirit than after hearing this man preach the gospel. The power of the Holy Spirit that resides in this man as well resides in me. All glory to God in His name! I hope to one day sit in the same room with this man as he speaks the gospel. Jesus is the way but He has given Dr. Baucham the blessing of spreading the good news! I’ve longed for gospel centric teaching and I praise God for bringing Dr. Baucham into my life which is now and forever the Lord’s.
"If a man marries a woman who becomes displeasing to him because he finds something indecent about her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house." (Deuteronomy 24:1 NIV)
DISPLEASING: to incur the disapproval or dislike of especially by annoying. To be offensive to. (Merriam-Webster)
“To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace.” (1 Corinthians 7:10-11, 15 NIV)
The Pharisees were the ones who constantly put people back under the mosaic law and you are grasping at straws by trying to exalt Moses over Jesus Christ (Hebrews 3 clears this up )
Reverting back to a scripture that also included stoning is obviously not in effect today in Christianity)
“And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; and they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.”
Mark 10:2-9, 11-12 KJV
bible.com/bible/1/mrk.10.2-12.KJV
No divorce. He said not divorce. Only death
If i am the spouse that was wronged (unfaithful husband) why should i burn and live unhappy while he is remarried, forgiven and happy ? I too deserve God's grace for reconciliation and get my rightful husband back.
Heres one for ya.... most people who hold the strictest veiw on this topic also believe you cant lose your salvation... so what does it matter? Just a thought provoking question.
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If you don’t care, it’s very probable that you’re not saved to begin with. One who has been born again, has a new heart in which is engraved God’s ordinance, Ezekiel states. They also have the Holy Spirit. These two things produce a new nature, in which what drives them is doing God’s will, in which they no longer go by is this a sin or not, instead they go by” does this glorify God or not”, or “does this glorify God more or does this glorify God more?”. Not out of fear of losing our salvation, but out of gratitude to He that redeemed us, out of love to He that loved us first and out of recognition of who God is, that He os holy and deserving of all glory, worship, praise and obedience. Someone who is born again, isn’t seeking a loophole, to the contrary, someone who is born again, seeks to study deeply and understand God’s Word in these matters, in order to glorify Him.
I really appreciate the way he's presented.
But what I got out of it, is how serious marriage is. And we should do everything we possibly can to keep the marriage vow. I never looked at it that way and how serious it really is to God and it should be to us.
Thank you voddie for that message.
What happens when a husband has an affair and leaves his wife and marries the affair partner? Should the wife remain single ? She tried to reconcile with him and did not pursue the divorce. What happens to her now?
U must hold Jesus Christ position. That's it. No compromise. Paul said told by Jesus Christ. We all must speak the same thing. God said no divorce. We must say it to
Also God said don't let the preachers into the house if they don't preach Jesus Christ commandments. 2 john 1:10 . All preachers must speak the same thing. If you married. You can separate but divorce. 1corinthians 7 10:11. That's a commandment from Jesus Christ. Or reconcile. Or stay neutral. Only death you can remarry
God bless the hearts of those couples who refuse to listen to compromised preaching. Let us seek God's wisdom and view divorce through the lens of scripture, rather than the head knowledge of some pastors. Sometimes the pulpit becomes defiled.
The scriptures is the book of pain 😢. But you must love the truth that hurt you. God said you must remain neutral or reconcile if you separated. That's it. Now remarry people must repent come out that second marriage that's unlawful to Jesus Christ. You don't remain in the second marriage. That's a sin. Repent come out of it. Romans 6 1:3. Like a fornicater keep fornicating. You can not have scriptures Contradict itself. Voddie Is wrong on second marriage that's its OK to stay in it. That's not scriptures. Acts 17:30 God said no more excuses. It's only a sin if you remain in the second marriage and the first one is alive. James 4:4. All marriage people that have a second husband or wife and the first one is alive. You must repent come out of it. Don't remain in it. Romans 6 1:3. Like Jesus Christ said I didn't come to bring peace on earth but a sword. Staying in the second marriage and the first wife or husband is alive. That's a Contradiction to Jesus Christ. Narrow is the way. U must remain neutral or reconcile to the first husband or wife. Only death u remarry
@@JesseJones-oq9ty❤️ no compromising. No is no.
Hebrews 13 4:6. Acts 17:30
Heavy topic, but keep in mind forgiveness is before divorce, forgive first and try to keep the marriage but if your partner continues and doesn't accept forgiveness what can you do but to divorce. The last thing you want is to hear God say yes she/he cheated on you and you divorced she/he and that was your first and immediate response, but have you considered forgiveness as Christ has forgave you before divorce?
it doesnot matter what a spouse may do, divorce is not an option.....there is nothing, in the Bible to support this assertion...
You’re wrong. You CAN divorce!
@@philipbuckley759obviously you do not have the fullness of the holy spirit so you do not understand his word and his principles. You are a typical Idol worshipper following the teachings of men men who are not filled with the Holy Spirit
@@yanilovee31chapter and verse please
@@graftedbranch7246 “But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.” - Matthew 5:32, NIV
1corinthians 7 10:11 . Only separation not allowed 🚫 to remarry. Only death you can. 1corinthians 7:39
Thank you Pastor Baucham for helping me understand the subject of marriage from a Biblical standpoint while I am still a single, never-been-married bachelor at aged 49 and will help me prepare for a God-honoring marriage when the Lord determines that the time comes.
I don’t want to sound like a downer however, I am happy that most of the comments I see people have gotten clarity and happy confirmations to the life that they’re living. Now I however, was not aware of this. I am a divorce man who just got saved with the hopes of finding, and having a chance to be a husband again with the understanding that I have now that I didn’t have before only to find out, I won’t get that chance again and it’s very saddening to be honest
Anti Biblical, Anti confessional and unpastoral view. Destructive to the well-being of the innocent party.
Great message.
Only question I have is with Herod, with Phillips wife that Herodious now is married with or living with. Is it a one time adultry charge from John or is it continual in and ltry
The biggets issue is thay God divoriced isreal His bride hes ignoring that point and the bible says that the beleiving spouse is no longer enslaved or bound by that marriage meaning he ir she is comoletely free free to not marry free to marry otherwise they sre still bound to that covenant this biew is scewed and unbiblical
This may be the clearest and most helpful articulation on the subject that I have heard in 50 years. Thank you brother. But I do wonder one thing: When Rom 7:3 says "if, while her husband lives, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress", how can you say "This does not mean that divorced and remarried people are committing new acts of adultery with every instance of marital intimacy" (52:57)?
Doesn't this need to be understood in light of the exception rule given by Jesus in Matt 19:9?
@@lynette4412the exception rule was for the Jews in the betrothal period. It doesn’t pertain to us.
It's not "new acts of intimacy"...it's simply intimacy..which according to the Scriptures and his message it's still an adulterous union
@@doglover19601 hi, in what way does it only apply to Jews in the betrothal period? Especially when it has a direct reference back to Deut 24 (where the certificate of divorce was written). The situation in Deut 24 has no indication to it being the betrothal period.
@@printingEvangelismbecause Jesus was sitting in front of Jews. And only talking to them.
So you have children with the second marriage.. You should split up the family and sin again with another divorce? So the children live in a single family situation? If that is the case then the church needs to have people helping these families do this then.
What about the children in the first marriage. The second set of children are actually out of sin and not covered unless there is repentance.
Deuteronomy chapter 24
A million thank you's as always. I listened to this teaching after the Narrow gate, Wide gate teaching and it made it clear for me. We are called to the hard path and not wide road. Amen.
14:00 If the matter is not a deal breaker why should we even hold a position, Pastor Bauchan? I live in Quebec and one of my pastors is remarried. In Brazil our pastors are holding the position that even an ex adultery pastor, transformed by the grave after that, can be a pastor. If we don’t separate from the consequences of the remarriage idea, why?
Just to remark that I stand for the permanence view of marriage.
Im Brazilian as well, living in the US, and also hold the permanence view. When he talks about fellowship is in the sense that we don’t stop considering them as Christians. It’s a secondary issue. If your church has the permanence view, you don’t look at other churches that don’t hold the permanence view and say they’re not Christians. Now, in your specific case, you might want to check with the elders of your church to see what is the confession they hold to. I
If I may, I would refer you to Titus and I believe 1 Timothy as well where Paul gives the standards for men to be pastors. That being said, we are still to treat people we believe are in with love and respect, but it might be something you need to take up with those pastors.
But as for your main question of why we must take a position, it’s simply because the question will be asked. We can’t just shrug our shoulders on issues that scripture is clear on because of difficulty. It’s not a deal-breaker because if we were to break fellowship with everyone we know has different opinions on Theology or has sinned in some way, we would end up alone within the same day. Since it’s not heresy or blasphemy, it is no reason to stop working with those people in worship. And even in severe cases on divisive issues that get people riled up in a hurry, we still, as mentioned by Peter in 1 Peter and Jesus in the Gospels, treat them with dignity and respect. “Love your neighbor as yourself” doesn’t have an exception for doctrinal disagreement.
Anyways, have a great day and God loves you!
The early church fathers taught that remarriage while the other spouse was still alive is adulterous and the believer must exit the adulterous remarriage. This was taught by the vast majority of the church up until a few hundred years ago. Highly recommend the free book called Except for Fornication.
Thanks for listening!
I read that book. Present tense meaning continuous sin
@bradanderson4202 I found that to be the hardest thing to have to accept, especially when there are children as a result of the adulterous remarriage. But adherence to Scripture is more important than how I might initially feel about it.
Who is the author and where is it available?
@@delso-wk9sq Except for Fornication by Dan Jennings. If you google it, a link for a free pdf should come up.
The greek verb tense used for commit entails continuousness, so it's not just a one time act...it's a continuous act as long as the remarriage persists.
Thanks for listening!
I guess when you're not baptized in the Holy Spirit and filled with the Holy Spirit and led by the Holy Spirit you have to go to the Greek to try to understand scripture but you fail miserably
@benelias3556 oh...modern day gnostics...bet you don't even need to read Scripture to know what it says.
@@JR-rs5qs well I certainly don't have to justify myself in your eyes, you are probably a church attending modern-day so-called Christian thinking that your 501 c 3 nonprofit corporation is a house of God
Amen!
He's right about the permanence of marriage, but it isn't just an "act of adultery" and IS on-going adultery as long as you remain in the remarriage while your first spouse is still alive. In the KJV it says "committeth adultery", and just like Jesus forgave the woman caught in an act of adultery, Jesus commanded "go and sin no more." Adulterers do not go to heaven if they stay in adultery. Repent or perish. Confess and forsake the sin to be given mercy- Proverbs 28:13. Hebrews 13:4 God will surely judge the fornicators and adulterers. Too bad he does not call people to live holy and alone unless they can reconcile. 1 Corinthians 7:10-11. We live under the Law of Christ, not the law of Moses in Deuteronomy.
He said "there's nothing you can say that we would encourage you to get a divorce... Nothing".
I assure you not one Pastor who's had his wife literally commit...."Adultery", or his betrothed commit "fornication"....
... holds that stand because he will eventually realize she has (become) a child of the devil.... With no biblical guarantee she will ever be able to "find repentance"
But I must warn you I'm reading from the only Bible that actually did make America great... The only Bible permitted in America till I was 12, in 1971.
It's a terrible thing to falsely accuse a man of "looking for a loophole", in Matthew 19:9.
It tells me one of two things are true sbout such a man..
1) they haven't truly studied the whole of the Bible and or believed it.
2) Worse yet...they truly do study the Bible but they've been drawn away from the one True perfectly accurate Bible.
"No civil, legal, religious, cultural, or state divorce is valid in the eyes of God. This includes all human divorces that have taken place on planet Earth since Adam and Eve sinned. Not a single one of them severed the one-flesh union of a lawful marriage. They all took place without God’s permission. They were all unilateral decisions, as they are to this day, and will be to the end of time."
Unbreakable ? Pastor voddies please listen to what you're saying. It's porneia a single person sex sin. Not mocheia. It is sexual immorality but not during marriage and you know the context jesus was talking to a Jewish audience. It does not say except for a second marriage. It really sounds like you're adding an exception
Voddie is a hellal supporter. If you get remarried real quick it doesnt matter what yu did. Im trying to notbe upset. His teaching ns in the dissolution of marriage not permance howdoes the maiage end? Adulterousremarriage? The vows of a second adulterousremarriage. The first act of adultery? I dont get it. Hes preaching permanance. Where does the permanceend. Ugh.
Im still upset about this sermon. Its about remarriage adultery. How is having sex with someone elses spouse not adultery every time? How is it that getting a divorce and getting a civil marriage break the covenant bond. Sims have to be epented of turned away from how can you keep commotimg adultery and be saved? You started by talking about second marriage and say its ok how can you preach permanace from there? Sounds like youre adding the if clausr. The voddie exception. If you've already one it dont worry grace wil abound in your sinn. The more sin the more grace clause. Its madness. If god blesses a secomd marriage then what about ten? Romans says till death genisis says twain two one so would i be a part of the next marriage? You said permanca means no divorce no remmariage forany reason
But you added the reason if youve already done it its done. So remmariage is the bauchman priveledge for divorve
I will never listen to voddie again. How can marriage be permanant but an adultress so called marriage be ok? Is. It sin to leave someone youre not married to uder god? Adultery is a continuous state if youre havong sex with someone elses spouse. Present tense is what happened in the past keeps affecting the present. What about the innocent partner that wants reconciliation and truly believes in marriage permanance. Do they get to pay the price for twoother peoples sin? What a heVy cross to bear . Shame on voddie for preaching half truths
The permanence view actually encourages adultery by removing the punishment for it instituted by Jesus Christ Himself. There are two exception clauses, in Matthew 19:9 and in Matthew chapter five verse 32, and you CANNOT REMOVE THOSE VERSES FROM THE BIBLE. They are there to MAKE CERTAIN THAT MARRAIGES ARE BOTH HOLY AND UNDEFILED. In the Bible days, the penalty for immorality was the death penalty. If the adulterer was stoned to death, the innocent party was not also stoned to death, and would be free to remarry. Adultery is serious business to God, and defiles a marriage. If the adulterer is rewarded for their actions by no penalty for immoral behavior, immoral behavior is encouraged, and accepted as a normal part of a marriage. The unconscionable acceptance of adultery in marriage that is promoted by the permanence doctrine's removal of the exceptions instituted by Jesus Christ Himself are an abomination to God, making a mockery of holiness in marriage by forcing an innocent spouse to "put up with" adultery on the part of a betraying, lying, deceiving, and unfaithful cheating spouse.
Finally...someone else who recognizes the lack of sanctity in defiling of the marriage bed and vessel and affirms divorce as a sort of release - remarriage as a 2nd chance to start fresh from the sadness inflicted by the traitorous partner.🙏
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This is like saying "making abortion illegal actually encourages abortions because it's just going to happen in the back streets anyway"
No it does not. I am separated from my unfaithful husband, not divorced. I am standing for the restoration of my marriage. It’s not up to what I do that will bring my husband’s heart to the Lord, it’s the power and authority of the Lord who will do it.
@@One-Day-At-A-Time-720Mathew chapter 19, 1Corinthians chapter 7:15
Yes, the self righteous preachers telling an innocent person to stay single while the other spouse just does what he or she wants to do. This mindset is not wisdom. Marriage covenant can be broken. I once had a self righteous mindset regarding marriage and divorce but the Lord opened up understanding. I am going to stand for sound doctrine. Some of these so called preachers mouths need to be stopped teaching error. Jesus Christ gave and exception Mathew chapter 19, the aposte Paul gave an exception 1Corinthians chapter 7:15 This should clear the confusion but for many it hasn't. These so called apostles want to over rule Jesus Christ and the apostle Paul. Neither Jesus Christ or Paul contradict each other. Let me be clear, one cannot get a divorce for any cause. However, it is clear there are exceptions according to scriptures rightly divided.
amen. struggling with that porneia clause, but not too hard from the semi-permanence view when she already went 1 Cor 7:15 on me. not quite to the point of imprecatory psalms for the death clause yet. 😅
Hes using the truth of the scripture loke satan would. He is very strongly preaching permance then adds second marriage is ok. Hows that possible? Present tense of mocheia. Im spelling that wrong. But discernment sense is timgling
So basically, the idea of divorce on the grounds of infidelity has nothing to do with the way people are using it today. I've heard this before.
he demonstrates his false teaching so we dont have to waste time trying to figure out his position...
Phillip
Tell me exactly what he said that was not based in scripture ? I am in a remarried situation, as is my wife. Most of what he said I figured out After this marriage. I cannot change yesterday only pray for mercy, forgiveness and grace. As we grow in knowledge and understanding, we adjust our behavior to fit scripture. Too often we abandon Scripture to be accepted in society, to be part of whatever is popular at the moment.
Oooooh I'm loving his humility around minute 14 about not saying "we have the corner on the market and no one else is handling Scripture correctly" - yay! Fellowship and unity!
This is not at all what he said.
Oh! How do you hear what he said (around the 14 minute mark)? 13:40?
It would be just as hard to tell someone they need to leave an adultress marriage to be right with god. He doesnt recognize it anyway. So you would be willing to tell someone to wait 50 years for someone in prison. Or not for adultery.
My wife divorced me in 2019. Neither of us has remarried. Does the permanence view hold that we must reconcile and remarry? Unless I missed it, I don’t think Voddie addressed this.
I don't think the scripture says you must. But it certainly says you should if possible
If it was an unbiblical divorce, you are still married. Might as well try to reconcile.
Yes, either reconcile or stay faithful even if you don’t reconcile.
1 Corinthians 7:10-11
Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.
Amen. Thank God for His grace and mercy.
Love the message on marriage, but the notion that you (Voddie) have pushed and promoted on abuse within the marriage is not grounds for divorce, is not acceptable. Clarification on the types of abuse you are referring to is required here. Physical, sexual, emotional and financial abuses. Are these acts of abuse geared towards the spouse or the children. If a parent is involved in sexual abuse towards a child, you Voddie and the entire Church / congregation should be 100% behind the victims and be protecting the victims with all of the resources available. This is the mistake John MacArthur made all of those years ago. Please, provide some clarification on this?
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He is not saying you need to keep living with an abusive spouse. He's reading the teaching of Jesus saying you can't remarry. So move out, and pray for your abuser, forgive them ask God's mercy.
Your cross is lighter than Jesus's
If you say abuse justifies divorce, you are adding to the scriptures
You can separate, NOT divorce. People automatically want to jump into divorce instead of separating and standing for your marriage. God loves your spouse just as much as He loves you with no exceptions. You made a vow, you are one. We are called to fight for the sanctification and holiness of marriage even if it means in a safe place with JUST GOD to seek so He can bring healing and deliverance.
Romans 13.
Some Churches have made divorce the new unforgivable sin. Like it's set on a pedestal above other sin. Jesus didn't say to the woman caught in adultery, you "have" five husbands, or even "have" one husband.
He said you have HAD 5 husbands.
He didn't condemn her, and said go & sin no more.
I like when Voddie pointed out that God would not have you sin in order to fix a sin. Amen.
Some pastors/church counsel have directed people get divorced now and go back to their first spouse... That counsel could destroy lives.
Of course we should honor God in getting married, being married or in choosing divorce. But in scripture God hated certain marriages.
I dont hear theological speakers cover that subject. I personally believe now that God doesn't honor every marriage.
Let's say you were an unbeliever~ you got married, the Lord was not in your life or theirs when you married, how is it God honored that marriage & holds you to it now?
You have the women mixed up, that was the woman at the well, not the woman caught in adultery.
@@Yupisaidit1excatly
@@Yupisaidit1 as usual the typical Christian misses the point and find something to criticize while totally missing the truth of the message that was given
@@Yupisaidit1 and when I say typical Christian I mean the ones that go to church that Jesus is going to say flee from me I never knew you
@@grant2149 flee from me I never knew you lawbreakers and doers of iniquity
Youre view is not permanance or your pews would be ful of covenant first marriages
Hmmm I’m usually one for Voddie’s sermons but I feel that some important things were not addressed when it comes to divorcé considering some people may divorce due to child abuse going on by one of the spouses, physical abuse (which has resulted in the death of men and women that stayed or tried to leave), and so much more. Its easy to say stay and repent and work it out, but that’s ONLY when both parties are willing. You can’t force another adult to do something that they don’t want to do and when the spouse that wanted to stayed and work things out is forced to go through with the divorce, now they are subject to commit another sin that they wanted to avoid by staying and working the marriage out. I’d like to hear his thoughts on people or children experiencing all types of abuse and then staying in a toxic unhealthy situation that could result in death.
What are you calling child abuse and spousal abuse? I would like to know to further this talk.
“Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you strike him with a rod, he will not die.” (Proverbs 23:13, ESV)
“Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.” (Proverbs 13:24, ESV)
It is unlawful for a woman to divorce at all, seems to be the scriptures. Those children also do not fall under the authority of the mother either but to the father who is the head of the household. She is to be in subjection in all things to her husband.
@@John14Verse6 I never said disciplining a child is child abuse. Learn to read what is written. I discipline my own child. ABUSE: Sexual, physical, verbal, and emotional. If you don’t know what abuse is then stay out the comments trying to be holier than though. I know what the Word says on discipling a child. That wasn’t what my statement was referring to. 🙄😒
I would say that you could separate from an abusive spouse without divorce or remarriage
@@JaySmith. No one was acting holier. You clearly do not know what the word of God says because there is NO REASON for divorce. Get over yourself.
I was asking what you call abuse and you act like this? What is wrong with you?
So instead of clarifying your statement you attack?
@@MysTarey What scripture do you have to back that up?
The new exception is the voddie clause. If youre already remmarry youre good
Be whare of false prophets who come in sheeps clothes, but inwordly are ravenous wolves
Confessiom doesnt sanctify marriages. God doesnt join under confession
James 4:4
"Fine then, the bible says love your enemies." XD
He had it right and then went downhill at the end 54 minute mark. If you divorce and remarry Jesus calls it adultery all the time! If your remarried your in adultery and should leave. Does God forgive sin we don't repent of? Repent means to turn away from. All in all I support this message as most churches dont teach any of this.
You dont get it! Are you trying to tell me you have repented from ALL your sins??? If so you just lied which is a sin. IF we were able to NOT sin Christ died for NO reason! voddie is a quack!!!
Excatly
Nothing you could say that could convince of a divorce????? Dude, what about abuse?? Like.... There are a lot of bad situations out there that are a lot worse than adultery....
Voddie didn't make the rules.
Ask God
If Jesus gave permission in His Word, then it's permitted. Find it there if you need it
Thank for this message , it truly set me free God bless you for never sugar coating the message of God.
Porneia is an umbrella term for anything sexual, which includes adultery. Adultery is the reason God Himself divorced Israel (Jeremiah 3:8). After He divorced Israel, He no longer considered her His wife (Hosea 2:2).
If the term fornication is in the same sentence as adultery then it’s referring to the term pre-marital sex. Only possible in a betrothal period (Jewish custom)
Jesus would’ve used the term Mechoia Greek for adultery instead of porneia if he meant you can divorce for adultery. The pharisees were very acquainted with the betrothal it was their culture, a man’s wife was considered his wife at the engagement. (Matthew chapter 1) Mary could’ve been divorced by Joseph for being with child before they were intimate but yet already married in a betrothal. God says he will bring back His WIFE israel and His wife will never be forsaken. They departed but He has not left the covenant otherwise you make God to be a liar, men lie God doesn’t .
Also the term was changed to include all the umbrella terms in the 1500s by Erasmus who was in the Catholic Church and influenced the Protestant faith. He brought in this heresy and it’s been twisted more and more ever since he added changes to the Bible.
@@kfollowstheway138 So according to you, God had no right divorcing Israel for her adultery, regardless of whether He intended to take her back. Remember, God was the one who initiated the divorce, even strictly following the guidelines according to Deuteronomy 24.
And the reference to Erasmus, whether true or not, does not change anything because the Catholic institution also espouses a marriage permanence doctrine.
He contradict himslef with remarrying
Looks like a lot of us are just doomed
Just repent. Acts 17:30. Romans 6 1:3 Jesus Christ said narrow is the way Mathew 7 13:14. Being separated from your wife or husband. God said you must remain neutral if you separated. That's the narrow way. The broad way is divorcing your wife or husband. That broad way is remarry and the first one is alive. That brings death to your soul. Narrow is the way. It's difficult 😕. But God' grace is sufficient for us to endure until the end
divorce is not a sin, remarriage is a state, of adultery...
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Unfortunately, Voddie says that the remarriage is a one time act of adultery which disqualifies his preaching. He's right about the permanence of marriage, but it isn't just an "act of adultery" and IS on-going adultery as long as you remain in the remarriage while your first spouse is still alive. In the KJV it says "committeth adultery", and just like Jesus forgave the woman caught in an act of adultery, Jesus commanded "go and sin no more." Adulterers do not go to heaven if they stay in adultery. Repent or perish. Confess and forsake the sin to be given mercy- Proverbs 28:13. Hebrews 13:4 God will surely judge the fornicators and adulterers. Too bad he does not call people to live holy and alone unless they can reconcile. 1 Corinthians 7:10-11. We live under the Law of Christ, not the law of Moses in Deuteronomy. You would tell a gay marriage that it must be terminated, and divorce and remarriage is an unlawful marriage to God that got John the Baptist beheaded for telling the truth.
@@gfbc1689 Unfortunately Voddie says that the remarriage is a one time act of adultery which disqualifies his preaching. He's right about the permanence of marriage, but it isn't just an "act of adultery" and IS on-going adultery as long as you remain in the remarriage while your first spouse is still alive. In the KJV it says "committeth adultery", and just like Jesus forgave the woman caught in an act of adultery, Jesus commanded "go and sin no more." Adulterers do not go to heaven if they stay in adultery. Repent or perish. Confess and forsake the sin to be given mercy- Proverbs 28:13. Hebrews 13:4 God will surely judge the fornicators and adulterers. Too bad he does not call people to live holy and alone unless they can reconcile. 1 Corinthians 7:10-11. We live under the Law of Christ, not the law of Moses in Deuteronomy. You would tell a gay marriage that it must be terminated, and divorce and remarriage is an unlawful marriage to God that got John the Baptist beheaded for telling the truth.
@@WalkingbytheSpiritAlwaysi understand you argument, but the word “commit” means to put in action. If remarry is the sin, and Jesus says go and sin no more it defines the act, not the perpetual ( on going) act Which is remarry. He also said that he wouldn’t condemn ( to blame or fault) her, but go and sin (remarry) no more. Because remarry was committing ( the action of) adultery. It’s forgivable. Never to do again. (John 8:3-11)
@darnellmunerlyn7617 Committeth adultery is ongoing as long as you are having sexual relations with someone not your first spouse. Only death ends the marriage covenant. If a person is going to a hotel and getting a prostitute, you would say he was committing adultery each time he did this against his wife, and to stop committing adultery, he has to stop having sex with another woman. So if divorce does not end the covenant marriage, each time you have sex after divorce it's the same as if you were using a prostitute. God will not be mocked.
You would do church discipline for remaarridpeople instead of letting theyre levin ruin the batch. Its the job of the church to protect there flock
would they do that for all who followed Deut 24 (which says nothing about it being during the betrothal period)
My kids father was sexually, mentally and monetarily abusive to me. He made the house so threatening that my daughter tried to commit suicide 5 times from 3rd grade to 21.
Trust in the Lord to give you back everything the enemy has taken. The Lord is redeemer. He can make anything right. Let Him be your husband for now.
Can someone please tell me why Job remarried?. I have testimony of wife or husband not just divorcing their spouses but lie on them of heinous crimes, which could have placed them in Jail.
His wife was dead, so it was ok.
Either "the exception" clause is there twice in Matthew or it is not there, twice in Matthew. Is it there? Yes. Is is the rule? No. Is it an exception? Yes. If it is there, as an exception clause, it is lawful. I have never heard so much "double talk" coming from a preacher before, except in politics. Jesus said what He meant, and Jesus meant what He said. Please stop, cease and desist with the double talk. Thank you.
Amen.❤
So why did certain israelites divorce their foreign wives in the old testament in an act of repentance if it that is also wrong to do
good point...
Amen.
No one will be able to answer it for you.
Another reason to read ALL scripture, not bits & pieces to form a doctrine of bondage.
@@mactine2k7I'll answer. Because Israelites made mistakes.
Why did the Israelites make idols?
Why did they demand God make them like the kingdoms of the world when they were set apart for holy reasons?
Why did they complain to go back to slavery in Egypt when they didn't get the dinner they wanted?
Why did they abandon God?
Why did they ___fill in the blank___....
I'll answer:
They tried to right a wrong with another wrong.
Too bad that isn't right
Then can you please explain, genuinely asking, why God Himself divorced Israel for her adultery of chasing after/marrying other gods - gods she did not even know. I think we all need to be consistent with a holistic view of Scripture and this topic is indeed a complex one I am still trying to study and be consistent with.@@samanthacharlton4123
Hi. Luke 16 and Mark 10 says "putteth away" in the KJV (not divorce). Doesn't that matter if putting away differs from divorce? Thanks for explaining
Putting away is supposed to be followed by bill of divorce.
as usual two misused terms.....fornication, and bondage....
Powerful word 💥
Needed this!
Thanks for listening
Is anyone else listening? Pastor voddie says he is n the permance side. No divorce or remarriage for any reason. But at the beginning and the end he says stay in a second marriage and god will bless it. How's that possible? In the permanace view if you remarry it is adultery. Every time you have sex with the adilultress remarriage. So how does god recognize the second marriage if the first one is permanant? What if the first partner wants reconciliation? Are they stuck being alone? He preaches the permance view but contradicts himself. I don't get it
Exactly. I am standing for my husband in adultery who is contemplating divorce.
Since marriage isn’t just about sex, how could you commit adultery every time you have it in the second marriage? Something is missing here. Why is it that people can commit adultery when they are married, and yet be forgiven by God? Why was it an abomination to go back to your first husband in Duet. , but now it’s ok? Doesn’t make sense.
That's how men had more than one wife.
No escape from male head ship, God Will not change HIS order...
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Did not God divorce the nation of Isreal and turn his attention to the nations to take out a people for his name - that was an adulterous nation? God did by his own example say "YES" adultery is grounds for a legal divorce in his eyes. Jesus then stated very clearly in the sermon on the mount that adultery is a legal reason for divorce. 🤔
What about 2 unbelievers who are in their 2nd marriage and then get born again/from above? They should get divorced?
Grace to you Isaiah
Those who believe the second marriage should end in divorce feel that "they are still married to their first spouse in God's eyes". This view sees divorce and remarriage as if it is ineffective. Thus from their perspective the second marriage is merely an affair that needs to end.
But in God's Word divorce and remarriage are actual events that changes marital status as in the law of Deuteronomy 24:1-4. So the first marriage actually ended and the second marriage was graciously allowed following the divorce concession Jesus mentions in Matthew 19:8. Therefore the first marriage is former (as stated in the law of Deut. 24) and the second marriage is the current marriage to which the husband and wife are obligated. Another divorce will only result in more unfaithfulness. Blessings
@nealdoster8556 thank you for taking the time to respond! It's very helpful.
If youre remmaried permanance ends for adultery
Seems like some don't understand TRUE conversion...due to satanically revised "Bibles"
A New Creation is A NEW CREATION..
If you don't recognize they're a new creation... You're going to blame them for something another person did.
What's really confusing is satanically revised Bibles indicate that everybody's saved and nobody's a child of the devil.....
.... Except the true anointed male convert.
He's referred to as toxically. Masculine.
Revised Bibles masterfully imply that born again men are evil and wicked men are good.
In the last days good will be called evil and evil will be called good... It's happening and has been happening right now.
To any saying a remarriage is living in sin and detestable to God I ask you; who was Solomon’s mother again?
Bathsheba’s husband died, releasing her from her vow
@@graftedbranch7246well he was effectively murdered by Solomon’s father, but I see your point.
The Voddie clause.
I agree w/ all he says until he effectively negates it all at the end by saying adultery only happens one time.. urges repentance but core theology is repentance involves turning from the sin, not continuing in the very thing one claims to have repented of. Would he say a bank robber who repents of his robbing is then free and sinless on his next bank job?
The robber recognizes his son and repents. He returns the money, vows to steal no more. When he is caught or surrenders he faces the consequences of his actions.
PERMANANCE
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