I believe that the attraction of the sexes is a metaphor for the the attraction of spirit to matter. As an old guy, in my situation, my libido is diminishing and I’m totally fine with it. I’ve decided that if I can, I don’t really want to return here, other than if I do it as a favour. I desire absolutely nothing, other than the well being of everyone. You can’t force celibacy, it has to be acquired naturally with no resistance, and with joy. And if you don’t, all is well.
Thank you for sharing such a deep and thoughtful reflection. It's beautiful how you've embraced the natural shift in your life with peace and acceptance. The idea of attraction as a metaphor for spirit and matter is profound, and your perspective on celibacy as something that must come naturally resonates deeply. It’s wonderful to see how you've found contentment in desiring the well-being of others. Wishing you continued peace on your journey, and as you said-whether one embraces celibacy or not, all is well.
@@EzeSix Thank you! I'm glad it resonated with you. There's always more to explore, and every perspective adds new depth to the conversation. Stay curious!
Hello good people, seekers of knowing better yourself and thus understand the world better. Keep in mind that we listen to this talk in 2024 with all our experiences and influences on the matter, so our interpretation of this talk is as such. His base line thinking is on point. Oppression of any kind of natural urge is considered HOLY in most religions but one can wonder "am I being real/truthful/honest resisting natural state of being?", accurately religion describes that excess indulgence of anything is a SIN, so maybe the truth is not to abstain any animalistic instinct that we ALL share but to regulate our urges. Don't waste your energy over eating/thinking/mating/talking... find your balance by giving and taking just as much is needed to be able to express and elevate the love we all carry inside. That changes over time...like a heartbeat, up and down, never loud but life essential.
As someone with 5 planets in Scorpio (there’s still time to get me a present) including Black Moon Lilith, I have no choice but to enjoy my given talent and love for my body. Hallelujah! 😎
The intolerant attitude towards sex comes from how widespread and damaging sexually transmitted diseases were. Even though he sets the date rather arbitrarily at 1850, it's easy to see how advances in medicine and hygiene have led to us being able to enjoy a wider variety of sexual relationships. The insistence on chastity prior to that point can be seen as an earlier, and cruder, form of sexual hygiene - people would more commonly die of venereal disease and, as such, religions once loudly advocated for chastity.
You're entirely focused on disease. You completely ignore the pleasure of it or how the banobo base their society on sex. Human ideas of sex being bad comes from religion.
@@CriticalThinkTankhes not entirely focused on disease, Sex as a whole is a large and complex topic and “sex is bad” doesnt actually come solely from religion/spiritual schools of thought but biological elements as well. Yes sex is pleasurable but it can be addictive and harmful, diseases being one of the cases. Do not include bonobos and their social communication with other bonobos as an argument when you do not add any depth to your argument, youre just saying nothing while acting like youre very well read on the topic
@@CriticalThinkTankis something feeling good/being pleasurable inherently good by default? Youre not as critical of a thinker as your name makes you sound
Well, of course, hygiene or the risk of sexually transmitted diseases is quite significant BUT the disgust and self hatred of sex taught by many if not most of the worlds religions was at least equal
@jimosborne2 Religion or not, having multiple partners and enjoying causal sex all the time leaves you psychologically damaged, without forgetting the risk or sexual transmitted deases. Don't make this stuff look so simple, it is not.
That's a profound thought! The idea of our body as a gateway to the soul is intriguing. When we open those 'windows and doors' to others, there's potential for deep connection but also vulnerability. Maybe the danger lies in losing ourselves or becoming too entwined with others' energies. Balance and boundaries are key to keeping our souls grounded while still embracing connection
He is right. I’m trusting that what I feel and share honestly trumps what shame and doubt I’ve overlayed it with. As my friend you have accepted that. I thank you for letting me be a slut! I love the truth of it!
Thank you for your openness and honesty! It's so empowering to embrace who we truly are without letting shame or doubt hold us back. I'm glad you feel comfortable sharing your truth, and it's beautiful that you're learning to trust your feelings. Much love to you for your courage!
Yo the plastic prediction is kinda fuckin crazy. The extreme beauty trends have always been a part of history, but still. It's kinda trippy how he mentioned it
You can find the content on the Alan Watts "Being in the Way" podcast. I believe it is episode 25, but I didn't listen in order to verify. Maybe that will help you track down info on the original lecture.
its not our fault! we were created by universe/god and here we are ... and everyday we dwell between being physical and feeling spiritual, being spiritual but feeling physical... we did not create the universe, the laws of nature, our biology and body/mind functions... we dont know where we come from and have no clue where we go to... so none of us is to be blame for our sexual desires, feelings, emotions, the way our brain function, our daily needs as humans, etc etc .. yes there are wrongs and rights for sure, but in a general overall state we are all "innocents and victims", blame the supreme consciousness/creator...call it god, universe, whatever you wish...
@@ptj767 silly….the Bible says He spoke it into existence. Are you aware that Einstein understood the implications of a universe with a beginning. Antony Flew wrote There Is A God after he realized there had to be a God for the complexity of DNA to be as it is
@@ptj767 no, He is a personal God. Embrace your physical needs and wants and you will get old and then what? God is spirit and there is a spiritual realm. NDE’s prove that or at the very least, are evidence for it.
Sex is the most exquisite expression of creation but it has been denigrated by pornography. Children have been subjected to it mainly through the WWW. It’s unfortunate they have the wrong idea about just how beautiful it can be when a man and a woman want to raise a family.
You bring up a powerful point. Sex, at its core, is such a beautiful and sacred expression of creation and connection, but it's true that modern media has distorted its meaning for many. It's heartbreaking that so many young people are exposed to a warped idea of it before they can understand the beauty of intimacy, love, and the desire to build a family. Hopefully, through deeper conversations and teachings, we can help restore the true value and meaning behind it.
Hold on there…. Blaming the internet? Myself, and my schoolmates had a secret collection of Playboys hidden in the sand pit at the age of 10… That was in 1977. Before that, were the infamous Sears catalogues…. And there’s no need to go into detail about my babysitter… Sexual perversion has been present long before printed advertising or pornography. Most of the blame for that comes from the involvement of governance concerning private intimacy. It’s often said that the worst thing you can do, if there’s something you don’t want others to do, is insist that they cannot do it.
How do you teach the 85% ignorant of this world, whose mindset has been passed on generation after generation. As a yogi and an artist, I live non attached life but my colleagues, friends and family don't understand me.
I have a similar experience, I sometimes wish that everyone I love could see it. But if we can lifted out of this to see on a mountain top, so can and will everyone eventually. You aren’t alone. Maybe you are simply a trailblazer. ❤
I think he means full involvement in the activity with your being but you are not attached to it like a leech, you are not controlled by the lust desire that means you have the capability to let go and hence will not suffer the absence of the desire, when you have sex have great sex but when you don't get it don't act like a dog mad for bone
In the generation after the pill was widely available, lots of women had unattached sex. Think Sex and the City. Sex was ubiquitous. So much changed, you could make the arrangement that today’s man is ready to accept life without sex. No blame- just a theory based on observation. And btw, there have always been lots of men who also want a meaningful relationship before or with sex( they don’t get a lot of publicity though.)
Attachment should not be based on sex, but on love alone. You should not fall in love because of sex, for example. You should probably do it the other way round.
@@jyothishkumar3098 “falling in love” invariably leads to gr disappointment or aloneness ( insecure attachment.) A healthy relationship cannot be based just on sex or desire- but it certainly can be an important part!
I think he misses the mark here. Too simplistic. Doesn't bring up the HUGE ramifications of sexual behaviour - family genetics, responsibility for children, emotional attachment (of the lack thereof after too many sexual partners), jealousies, heirarchies, hypergamy. Of course it is easy for him as a man of some prominence to find (and bed) attractive women. Maybe he felt he had to comment on it in regards to his own life, but he really doesn't touch on how big this topic actually is. We STILL don't have a handle on it. And clearly, a lot of people have given much - if not most - of their identity to their sexuality.
He doesn't seem to address issues of addiction. Look at how people become addicted to sex. Look at how meaningless it has become for so many, and how many have become addicted to sex.
Sex isn't this big huge topic. That is simply a reflection of sexual obsession. What does genetics, "hypergamy", hierarchies, jealousy, emotional attachment have to do with sex. The way you comment I'd assume you were a red pill guy who is subtly bitter about perceived societal sexual dynamics. Nothing you said has anything to do with the simple fact that nothing you listed has to do with sex. Genetics . . That's a consequence out of your control and for most of history couldn't be predicted how a kid would turn out. Everyone is capable of jealousy at any moment in their life. Hierarchies are about about power and resource control. "Hypergamy" is about resources. People's obsession with sex comes from the fact that because it was a taboo subject, what you resist persists so you can't engage in a healthy way. The obsession comes from the fact that when someone chooses someone else over you sexually you take it personally, or you treat sex as something to give you validation. Sex doesn't make people emotional. It's feeling like sex validates you and gives you worth that does. It's the belief that if you give it up, at least as a woman, you're giving away your power. When sex is just sex. Our social norms and customs just put a bunch of b.s. and pressure on it. Whose having sex and whose not, only matter to those who wish to control and are angry they can't get who they desire.
@@karljay7473 Right. To be fair, he was speaking pre-internet days, and couldn't really foresee the scourge porn would become. (sigh) things were more innocent then... more straightforward.
Bc like watts, there is something they are looking for. As a recoverer of opiates, I absolutely understand and feel what watts says.. Actually, he validates what I already know intuitively. That's why I listen.
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I believe that the attraction of the sexes is a metaphor for the the attraction of spirit to matter. As an old guy, in my situation, my libido is diminishing and I’m totally fine with it. I’ve decided that if I can, I don’t really want to return here, other than if I do it as a favour. I desire absolutely nothing, other than the well being of everyone. You can’t force celibacy, it has to be acquired naturally with no resistance, and with joy. And if you don’t, all is well.
Thank you for sharing such a deep and thoughtful reflection. It's beautiful how you've embraced the natural shift in your life with peace and acceptance. The idea of attraction as a metaphor for spirit and matter is profound, and your perspective on celibacy as something that must come naturally resonates deeply. It’s wonderful to see how you've found contentment in desiring the well-being of others. Wishing you continued peace on your journey, and as you said-whether one embraces celibacy or not, all is well.
Hmm
it feels profound and really deep to have read your above comments
@@EzeSix Thank you! I'm glad it resonated with you. There's always more to explore, and every perspective adds new depth to the conversation. Stay curious!
Beautiful, thank you!
To be in equanimity. Everything in its time, fully involved, fully present, and then it’s gone, and you let it go.
Beautifully said! That's the essence of being fully present and letting go
Please always support me!
Hello good people, seekers of knowing better yourself and thus understand the world better. Keep in mind that we listen to this talk in 2024 with all our experiences and influences on the matter, so our interpretation of this talk is as such. His base line thinking is on point. Oppression of any kind of natural urge is considered HOLY in most religions but one can wonder "am I being real/truthful/honest resisting natural state of being?", accurately religion describes that excess indulgence of anything is a SIN, so maybe the truth is not to abstain any animalistic instinct that we ALL share but to regulate our urges. Don't waste your energy over eating/thinking/mating/talking... find your balance by giving and taking just as much is needed to be able to express and elevate the love we all carry inside. That changes over time...like a heartbeat, up and down, never loud but life essential.
Thank you !
As someone with 5 planets in Scorpio (there’s still time to get me a present) including Black Moon Lilith, I have no choice but to enjoy my given talent and love for my body. Hallelujah! 😎
Keep shining and owning your unique gifts
I've heard this before, but definitely worth a second listen.
The intolerant attitude towards sex comes from how widespread and damaging sexually transmitted diseases were. Even though he sets the date rather arbitrarily at 1850, it's easy to see how advances in medicine and hygiene have led to us being able to enjoy a wider variety of sexual relationships. The insistence on chastity prior to that point can be seen as an earlier, and cruder, form of sexual hygiene - people would more commonly die of venereal disease and, as such, religions once loudly advocated for chastity.
You're entirely focused on disease. You completely ignore the pleasure of it or how the banobo base their society on sex.
Human ideas of sex being bad comes from religion.
@@CriticalThinkTankhes not entirely focused on disease, Sex as a whole is a large and complex topic and “sex is bad” doesnt actually come solely from religion/spiritual schools of thought but biological elements as well. Yes sex is pleasurable but it can be addictive and harmful, diseases being one of the cases. Do not include bonobos and their social communication with other bonobos as an argument when you do not add any depth to your argument, youre just saying nothing while acting like youre very well read on the topic
@@CriticalThinkTankis something feeling good/being pleasurable inherently good by default? Youre not as critical of a thinker as your name makes you sound
Well, of course, hygiene or the risk of sexually transmitted diseases is quite significant BUT the disgust and self hatred of sex taught by many if not most of the worlds religions was at least equal
@jimosborne2 Religion or not, having multiple partners and enjoying causal sex all the time leaves you psychologically damaged, without forgetting the risk or sexual transmitted deases. Don't make this stuff look so simple, it is not.
be courageous and loving to face that what is hurting you
Being courageous and loving in the face of pain is the path to healing and growth. Stay strong, you're not alone
Because our human body has windows and doors which lead to our souls.
Other bodies with souls intertwining seems more dangerous.
That's a profound thought! The idea of our body as a gateway to the soul is intriguing. When we open those 'windows and doors' to others, there's potential for deep connection but also vulnerability. Maybe the danger lies in losing ourselves or becoming too entwined with others' energies. Balance and boundaries are key to keeping our souls grounded while still embracing connection
🙏 Thank you Alan !! 🌻🌷🌹
Alan Watts led me to Jiddu Krishnamurti.
He is right. I’m trusting that what I feel and share honestly trumps what shame and doubt I’ve overlayed it with. As my friend you have accepted that. I thank you for letting me be a slut! I love the truth of it!
Thank you for your openness and honesty! It's so empowering to embrace who we truly are without letting shame or doubt hold us back. I'm glad you feel comfortable sharing your truth, and it's beautiful that you're learning to trust your feelings. Much love to you for your courage!
Alan Watts Guide - Truth About Sexuality & Pleasure
Yo the plastic prediction is kinda fuckin crazy. The extreme beauty trends have always been a part of history, but still. It's kinda trippy how he mentioned it
Curious about the source lecture for this - can you tell me the title of the original talk?
You can find the content on the Alan Watts "Being in the Way" podcast. I believe it is episode 25, but I didn't listen in order to verify. Maybe that will help you track down info on the original lecture.
its not our fault! we were created by universe/god and here we are ... and everyday we dwell between being physical and feeling spiritual, being spiritual but feeling physical...
we did not create the universe, the laws of nature, our biology and body/mind functions... we dont know where we come from and have no clue where we go to...
so none of us is to be blame for our sexual desires, feelings, emotions, the way our brain function, our daily needs as humans, etc etc .. yes there are wrongs and rights for sure, but in a general overall state we are all "innocents and victims", blame the supreme consciousness/creator...call it god, universe, whatever you wish...
You weren’t created by the universe. God created the universe and everything in that universe. Where did you come up with that ridiculous notion?
@@michaelbrickley2443 Did god create the universe in his workshop..
@@ptj767 silly….the Bible says He spoke it into existence. Are you aware that Einstein understood the implications of a universe with a beginning. Antony Flew wrote There Is A God after he realized there had to be a God for the complexity of DNA to be as it is
@@michaelbrickley2443 is God a person?
@@ptj767 no, He is a personal God. Embrace your physical needs and wants and you will get old and then what? God is spirit and there is a spiritual realm. NDE’s prove that or at the very least, are evidence for it.
Wide Watts...
Addiction spectrum, basically
Sex is great, people not so much
22:55
Sex is the most exquisite expression of creation but it has been denigrated by pornography. Children have been subjected to it mainly through the WWW. It’s unfortunate they have the wrong idea about just how beautiful it can be when a man and a woman want to raise a family.
You bring up a powerful point. Sex, at its core, is such a beautiful and sacred expression of creation and connection, but it's true that modern media has distorted its meaning for many. It's heartbreaking that so many young people are exposed to a warped idea of it before they can understand the beauty of intimacy, love, and the desire to build a family. Hopefully, through deeper conversations and teachings, we can help restore the true value and meaning behind it.
Hold on there…. Blaming the internet? Myself, and my schoolmates had a secret collection of Playboys hidden in the sand pit at the age of 10… That was in 1977. Before that, were the infamous Sears catalogues…. And there’s no need to go into detail about my babysitter…
Sexual perversion has been present long before printed advertising or pornography. Most of the blame for that comes from the involvement of governance concerning private intimacy. It’s often said that the worst thing you can do, if there’s something you don’t want others to do, is insist that they cannot do it.
How do you teach the 85% ignorant of this world, whose mindset has been passed on generation after generation. As a yogi and an artist, I live non attached life but my colleagues, friends and family don't understand me.
I have a similar experience, I sometimes wish that everyone I love could see it. But if we can lifted out of this to see on a mountain top, so can and will everyone eventually. You aren’t alone. Maybe you are simply a trailblazer. ❤
Rascal😂
They are free to see the world as they please, they will seek to understand if that’s what they truly want so don’t worry 😎
Living in sin 😮
I'm so glad I'm asexual
Humans over-complicate everything.
Love Alan but not surprised to hear a man say you can have sex without attachment lol
You haven’t met my ex Gemini covert narc. The ratchet has a revolving door 😂
I think he means full involvement in the activity with your being but you are not attached to it like a leech, you are not controlled by the lust desire that means you have the capability to let go and hence will not suffer the absence of the desire, when you have sex have great sex but when you don't get it don't act like a dog mad for bone
In the generation after the pill was widely available, lots of women had unattached sex. Think Sex and the City. Sex was ubiquitous. So much changed, you could make the arrangement that today’s man is ready to accept life without sex. No blame- just a theory based on observation. And btw, there have always been lots of men who also want a meaningful relationship before or with sex( they don’t get a lot of publicity though.)
Attachment should not be based on sex, but on love alone. You should not fall in love because of sex, for example. You should probably do it the other way round.
@@jyothishkumar3098 “falling in love” invariably leads to gr
disappointment or aloneness ( insecure attachment.) A healthy relationship cannot be based just on sex or desire- but it certainly can be an important part!
What, Watts?
I think he misses the mark here. Too simplistic. Doesn't bring up the HUGE ramifications of sexual behaviour - family genetics, responsibility for children, emotional attachment (of the lack thereof after too many sexual partners), jealousies, heirarchies, hypergamy. Of course it is easy for him as a man of some prominence to find (and bed) attractive women. Maybe he felt he had to comment on it in regards to his own life, but he really doesn't touch on how big this topic actually is. We STILL don't have a handle on it. And clearly, a lot of people have given much - if not most - of their identity to their sexuality.
Exactly
He doesn't seem to address issues of addiction. Look at how people become addicted to sex. Look at how meaningless it has become for so many, and how many have become addicted to sex.
Sex isn't this big huge topic. That is simply a reflection of sexual obsession. What does genetics, "hypergamy", hierarchies, jealousy, emotional attachment have to do with sex. The way you comment I'd assume you were a red pill guy who is subtly bitter about perceived societal sexual dynamics. Nothing you said has anything to do with the simple fact that nothing you listed has to do with sex.
Genetics . . That's a consequence out of your control and for most of history couldn't be predicted how a kid would turn out. Everyone is capable of jealousy at any moment in their life. Hierarchies are about about power and resource control. "Hypergamy" is about resources. People's obsession with sex comes from the fact that because it was a taboo subject, what you resist persists so you can't engage in a healthy way.
The obsession comes from the fact that when someone chooses someone else over you sexually you take it personally, or you treat sex as something to give you validation. Sex doesn't make people emotional. It's feeling like sex validates you and gives you worth that does. It's the belief that if you give it up, at least as a woman, you're giving away your power. When sex is just sex. Our social norms and customs just put a bunch of b.s. and pressure on it. Whose having sex and whose not, only matter to those who wish to control and are angry they can't get who they desire.
@@karljay7473 Right. To be fair, he was speaking pre-internet days, and couldn't really foresee the scourge porn would become. (sigh) things were more innocent then... more straightforward.
He died with his wife and mistress in a cabin I believe and was married 3 times AND had a major alcohol problem...
Think Alan had 5 children 🤔
why ?
Sexual pleasure is like drugs. Some times it can be a life saver but most of the time it’s the opposite.❤
How does it save lives exactly?
This is AI ?
No AI
Ai is such f:(k up
Why would anyone listen to the advice of a man who was an alcoholic and eventually drank himself to death.
Maybe they find themselves in his lectures.
Bc like watts, there is something they are looking for. As a recoverer of opiates, I absolutely understand and feel what watts says.. Actually, he validates what I already know intuitively. That's why I listen.
@@Silvermoonscorpion Thank you !
Why would that preclude him from having anything valuable to say? People aint always good at practicing what they preach. No one's perfect.
@@underdogpsychosis2841 Exactly, no one’s perfect. What matters is the value of the message, not the flaws of the messenger