Carol Leonnig And Philip Rucker: Donald Trump's Testing Of America
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2024
- Recorded on January 30th, 2020
Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker are two of The Washington Post’s leading reporters. Their Pulitzer Prize-winning work covered NSA spying, Secret Service misconduct and Donald Trump’s unprecedented 2016 campaign.
Now, Leonnig and Rucker are focusing on the unorthodox Trump presidency. Their new book, A Very Stable Genius: Donald J. Trump’s Testing of America, is a fresh report on the Trump presidency. A Very Stable Genius argues that rather than being an accidental creature of chaos, Trump’s first term is a careful and purposeful pattern of disorder. Drawing on in-depth interviews, firsthand witnesses and previously never before seen material, Leonnig and Rucker explored how Trump has shaken up alliances, reinvented the presidency and compromised the integrity of American institutions such as the FBI.
Join us for an important conversation as Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker tackle the unique case of the Trump presidency.
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“The book is very tough on Trump…”. Yet, the reporters went to great lengths to be fair and truthful. If the truth hurts, so be it.
First, Carol and Phil, top-notch as always. The interviewer whose name I've already forgotten, just left me cold. Her forced laugh, her Milliennial use of the word "like" (which drives me crazy) her harsh tone of voice. I only stuck with it because Carol and Phil were so good. As I write this, Trump has been out 2 months, thankfully. The damage that criminal did is still being calculated. I don't think our country as a democracy could have survived a second term.
I hope you are placated by their latest interview with the yummy Yamiche...
@@eugenio1542 not really. “Yummy?” Really?
How did you read my mind⁉️😂 Are you hiding in my house⁉️😂 Yup! Interviewer is pretty bad‼️
@@phyllisneal8687 Hello Phyllis, your reply made me LOL!! And I thank you for that because there's little to laugh about these days IMO. Nevertheless, there are things to be thankful for -- the brilliant minds that created the vaccines, in fact vaccines in general. I'm very militant about vaccines. I'm an older "Boomer" and therefore was a child before there were vaccines for polio and measles and chickenpox. Measles nearly killed me in first grade, and I knew other kids that had polio but were saved by a brilliant, dedicated pediatrician in our small town. I know I'm getting off track a bit here, and I ask your indulgence for a moment, but for me anyway, the topics of vaccines and the insanity of moron Trump and his ridiculous followers are bound together like the victims of a Boa Constrictor. Thank you for agreeing about the Commonwealth moderator - come on Commonwealth, you can do better - and you usually do. Your shows are wonderful, I feel blessed to have come upon them in RUclips which IMO is one of the Internet's greatest creations. I'll tell you what else the 'Net and Commonwealth Club have done for me - through them I know there are people out there like yourself who can think, who view the Commonwealth Club, who have a sense of humor and aren't afraid to speak up. I live in a midwestern city, where apathy and purposeful ignorance put me in the minority. Regards, The EK.
Personally, I liked her interview style.
The test is over. We flunked. Until Trump is convicted for inciting an insurrection, this is all blah blah. We are all sick of it. Truth Bless America.
Listening one year later. Wow. Stunning.
Thanks for listening
two of my favorite reporters and writers. what a team. I could listen to them all day. great book.
Wow! Prophetic at the end, watching this in hindsight, 11/21. Excellent interview!
Two great Americans on the front lines of fighting for our democracy. Getting the truth out there. Thank you for all your hard work.
Wha??? Two Jeff Bezos employees are fighting for the truth? The first 10 minutes is filled with provable lies and establishment propaganda. Anyone with a browser and a keyboard can discover this for themselves. Why would you trust to paid propagandists?
@@patrec7638 What? Neither of them work for Bezos. You only find what you’re talking about from right wing bull shit sources. Don’t presume to give me a lesson on truth when you wouldn’t see it if it slapped you in the face.
Excellent book. Even after the election of Biden, it's well worth reading.
We have a president with less basic knowledge of American history than a fourth grader.
Absolutely, 100 percent correct. Every American who's finished high school should know what the USS Arizona was.
I am eighty three and my father was career army and I remember pearl harbor very well
You sir , came from a time when America was strong . Point is that if you have a meeting on Pearl harbor , you do some homework first but he likes to " wing it " and ramble on .
I, personally, don't care if our president is "traditional". Infact, in some ways, I could do without tradition. I think most of us, like myself, just want some modicum of civility.
Alexander Vindman must be given, in very great measure, the respect of the American people, so must history. Current elected officials who swear allegiance to protecting & defending the Constitution cannot formally thank him...yet. The universe ALWAYS balances, so..
He has a megaphone because the press gives it to him.
Impose a news blackout on trump
If he doesn't leave after losing the 2020 elec then he should be pulled out by his feet. He deserves to at least be humiliated.
Far be it for me to question such a seasoned journalist like Rucker, but the question as to whether or not to prosecute trump is not a "political" consideration for the Biden administration, it is a matter for the DOJ!
Two great reporters. One grating interviewer. Dear God.
Thanks, Lucy, for your spot on comment about the interviewer. I'm rather sure she won't return.
Wow. I often wonder, are we as American citizens going to be 0k?
It will take much time for us, HOWEVER his base when they finally see what has happened, its going to be tough . They really love him and believe his every word.
Gabrielle Chilton, NOPE! That’s why we have to do our part to be educated and help.
America hasn't been OK for a very long time. The empire us dying. Our 2 parties have made 1 party and we are all controlled by the Oligarchy. America is sick. We always have been. If one doesn't know this, one does not know enough about our country.
Why we have term limits!!Trump!
TWO REPORTERS THAT DID NOT KNOW HOW TO SAY TRAITOR WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE.
Kalman Babits Perhaps it’s ok just to let people figure it out for themselves.
@@martinnolan4800 The way things have been going, I think things do need to be said. THEN let people decide. Unorganized pacifism tends to be just passivity, and against a determined aggressor, it is a losing strategy, or so it seems to me.
lucy warner Point taken! You are entirely correct about that.
“A nation can survive it’s fools, even the ambitious, but it cannot survive treachery.”
(Paraphrasing Cicero.)
That is not a reporter"s job. What is more frightening than anything else is the Republican Senate, much more scary than this one man!
@@dorisaffissio1649 YOU ARE CORRECT TO SAY REPUBLICAN SENATORS ARE MOSTLY TRUMP TREASON PATRIOTS, EVEN THE ONES PRETENDING TO HIDE JAN. 6 2021 WITH THE AMERICAN FLAG? OR WAS IT A TRAITORS BANNER YOU WERE HIDING FROM THAT WAS FLYING ON PARADE JAN. 6 2021 MAYBE THEY SHOULD ASK THE REPUBLICAN SENATORS THAT PRE-MEDITATED THE AFTERNOON ENTERTAINMENT OF JAN. 6 2021.
Thank you so much. great work.
these great investigators predicted precisely the exact thing, Trump still refuses to concede his defeat.
Rosie O'Donnell survived. Get over him
He's a true danger to our Country
Stand up against him!!
Final comment
You don't negotiate with terrorists you don't yield to a BULLY
He also lives in the past always being up Hillary , Obama and this 2020 election . Hillary a woman who can gets under his skin and Obama , a black man who taunted him and what was just a ego dower losing a election has become his personal and minion movement .
Would it have taken a blue dress and nothing more. I don't think so . After all he was elected AFTER the Billy Bush tape. Sounds like Hillary was held responsible for her husband's bad behavior.
From October 2021, how prophetic ! Great interview, thanks to the C'wealth club and a great Interviewer.
I just finished reading this book and the book "Unmaking the Presidency" I'm not directly shocked by what is revealed in these books, mostly because I keep myself updated on US politics on a daily basis and see for myself how unhinged Trump really is. What I'm more shocked by is how in the world 40% of American people could vote and still support such an unfit person in office. And now, after 3 years having experienced all of Trumps lies, corruption, abusiveness, etc still manage to support him. I'm not from America, though I spent my youth years in the US, I still cannot understand what is happening there. What do people see in Trump? Do such a large portion of Americans lack basic civic education and understanding of society? Are they just plainly stupid and easily misled by the lies? The majority of the rest of the world sees how unfit Trump is and how he is ruining the nation and the danger Trump is to the rest of the world. It seems like Trumps voters are from the wrong side of the bell-curve. Now with this impeachment going on, Americans have been given a 2nd chance to correct the mistake from the last election. After Trump got voted impeached, he also needs to be removed from the office. The task of cleaning up all the mess left after Trump will take decades.
Sadly, I believe there is a mixture of brainwashing, racist bias, frustration like we all have with Govt. ineptness, and then a huge dose of ignorance/stupidity preyed upon and manipulated incredibly well by right wing media shills & partisans. I'm American, born in Texas, & like many, I have family who are 110% on the trump train...smart, successful, intelligent, caring, giving, loving people i've known all my life. ....and i just cannot understand their continued devotion to a corrupt, inept, unfit, mentally deficient, incurious, lazy, divisive, dangerous "president" in any way. I've seen people who's lives are being upturned because trump is trying to take their land to build his fucking wall and tho they are fighting him to protect their property against a specious claim of eminent domain, these same people also say they support him & would vote for him again....?
How the hell does, CAN,.. anyone address that level of brain damage.
I fear for this country when he is defeated in November.
He, Trump carries the Republican conservative right wing ideology with its policies and agenda. Despite his conduct he will continue to fight to be in the position with the support n loyalty from the GOP n voters. Trump has for a long time gotten away with crimes and now as an impeached president again gotten away with crimes as being an acquitted President. Trump family have no SHAME..no more 4 years. He is most dangerous President ever..
Norman Mortensen. I am still reading their book - the kindle version wasn't deliverable until the end of January in the UK, although I ordered it the day it was published. Like you, I am not entirely 'shocked' by what I read, after all a lot of it is just giving detail and texture to incidents of which we have already heard, but there is still enough jaw dropping information to be extraordinary.
I am particularly pleased that Rucker and Leonnig confirm something I have adopted as routine. That Tillerson did call Trump "a phucking moron" so, I now refer to him as The Phucking Moron - it seems to fit. I am a big reader, always have been, but I have never bought 'political books' - not until now. I have bought and read so many books about The Phucking Moron's first few years in office and the campaign, yet have never read a republican't, fact filled, rebuttal of any of them. Because they don't and cannot exist.
As for the last few questions, about why do apparently rational people support The Phucking Moron? Almost everyone knew he was going to lose the 2016 election, everyone., even Trump himself. But not all of them knew the Russians were working very hard on his behalf and organisations like Cambridge Analytica were giving them hard information as to the very odd confluence of circumstances of that election.
The Deplorables, of course, loved him. Everyone else - including the GOP and McConnell - hated him, because he was an idiot. When he won, because of the Russians, he was still an idiot, but now he was THEIR idiot. They stick with him because they have nowhere else to go and simply cannot see he is destroying them, while he destroys America.
One day, America will thank people like Rucker and Leonnig.
It’s comments like these that show the high level of divergence between Trump supporters and the rest of us. These comments are thoughtful and insightful coming from an intellectual level. The Trump supporters will invariably spit out gut level comments that are reflexive instead of reflective. It must be like a “left brain versus right brain” thing. Anyway, thanks for giving me hope. 👍🏻
None of the information is shocking to me having dealt with this ass of a human being since the late 70's. I have met him once and the companies I have worked for did business with him and paid a price for it. He is a complete idiot and a braggart. He doesn't know anything but how to be a con like his daddy. He is a bully that only needs to be put in his place and yet no one in our government will stand up to him. Those that do are bullied, smeared, betrayed by former friends and colleagues who are afraid of this twitter twatwaffle. As for his followers they have bought his lies hook line and sinker. Some are very intelligent but have no intellectual facts when it comes to talking about the child. Many are just like him, bullies and cheats, liars and cons, uneducated.
Very interesting and helpful.
A "real" strongman LAUGHS at Trump.
I think a younger Meuller would have been able (willing?) to thwart Bill Barr
Lindsey Graham is the #1 Pretender I say
You are so right! Here in S Carolina he had all of us fooled until Trump came along! Then his true colors came out. He could be Trump's brother, because he cares about only himself and power. One of the things that's come out since Congress started investigating is he's also a free loader. The person in the administration said he was Always with Trump playing golf for free, eating for free and traveling to all the Trump courses for free and any freebies he was right there!
Hindsight is 20.20 vision ? I am here from their latest book review including 6 Jan2021 etc. Funny how they warned of concern about the "lost" reaction. An exemplary TEAM these 2. I Really Appreciate their sober but light hearted insights into a disaster with continued fallout. Bravissimo ! from "the shithouse of the world"
That last line by Mr Rucker was quite prophetic. The US is in a scary place because of one little thin skinned man with a way too large ego.
What has transpired in the aftermath of 2020 elections is the realisation that Trump's enablers and die hard voters are still in awe of the former guy, akin to what many in the Christian world might see in the benevolence of the Pope. But 45 is nowhere benevolent - just a deluded self centred individual that plays the race card with such acumen and clarity and that keeps invigorating his supporters/voters with identical and deplorable Nazi leanings. We've learned that 1/3 of America's inhabitants are on this wave length even today and that is the scariest thing..... the die hard Pence(and family) who isn't /wasn't safe from 45's rioting mob is a case in point, but the former VP's allegiance to Trump has not wavered to this day.
I so respect that the cared about how it would create danger to others and the United States I get so turned off but those in media that don't care..only want the headlines thank you both May God protect you keep you safe 🙏
Carol sounds almost exactly like Alison Janney.
Trump at the Arizona...conversation with John Kelly.
"Hey John, why did we leave this big boat upside down in the water? Let's salvage it and gives some tours, make money!" "I'm sorry Mr. President, there's over a thousand dead sailors still entombed inside." "So, why don't we bury them?" "This is hollowed ground sir." "I don't know, the hole doesn't look that deep."
DT's ignorance will be very funny, once he is history!
EXACTLY, Cara!
@@elaineburnett5230 I hope so, Elaine. Hard to imagine, so far, but I hope so.
Schmuck on wheels
Sadly guys, your book may only be Book 1 of a series, as day after day, there are more and more incidents on which to report.....who knew that this game of Trumpism politics could be so absorbing? ......and terrifying!
All these books should go into Trump’s Presidential Library. They are to show what s President shouldn’t be or do!
And exhausting. And nothing made a difference!
He';s a shallow narcissist, what an infant.
I'm not even 5 mintues in and your comment mirrors my initial impression of the host here. Anyone who worked at the WaCompost is a perfect example of a narrow minded, uninformed liberal who lives in a bubble and is incapable of dealing with facts.
Omg....wtf...he is what America has become
Great interview
Excellent show.
Yep.Philip said what happened 1/6 would happen
Thank you.
You're welcome!
Two absolutely perfect book titles in this era of Trump;David Cay Johnston - "It's Even Worse Than You Think" ,and Rick Wilson - "Everything Trump Touches Dies" .
Great interview. If they only knew what was about to happen . . .
Reminds me of the Far Side cartoon of talking to cats and all they hear you saying is “blah, blah, blah”: that sounds like a good example of what Trump hears unless it is outright praise of him.
To listen to this on, May 26, 2021 is quite amazing ‼️ OMG.
Phil Rucker has the greatest giggle.
We now know exactly how uneducated and ignorant as to the history of our country. He just doesn’t know or care to know.He had many people in his administration but because they didn’t follow his way of ignorance he got rid of him.he wanted yes people.
To have a bunch of Yes people work under him to humor his mistakes is disgusting and degrading. He wont read the facts but must put up a board with pictures is too horrifying to laugh at . Everything is about how to make money and thinks he's sharp doing arm deals with our enemies but dont think of the lives it will take . He's insecure , hard headed , close minded loser who should not be in charge of a country.
He’s a grifter.”DONT LOOK
AT THIS FOLKS..look at what’s over here.Smoke and mirrors is DJT
And it's been that way for the entire almost 4 years. No let up on distractions and divisions of America.
“Who are ya gonna believe? Me! ... or the evidence of your own lying eyes”
(Groucho Marx)
Really wanted to get the audiobook of A Very Stable Genius but it’s not available in the UK in English! just in German bizarrely...
Oh, I got it, through Audible - part of Amazon.
I have read it. Very good. I do wish the interviewer would leave her hair alone... apparently the ‘can’t indict the president is based on a memo emanating from the Spiro Agnew case.
I thought you were listening or reading the book. Why her hair. I know you like her
SAVED BY SILENT REPUBLICANS AND NUMB DEMOCRATS
Great title, wonder if the sentence will go to court?!
And cares absolutely nothing about people except himself.
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I'm not even sure Trump comprehends actual humanity. He has no soul. How can one recognize in others what one doesn't have within himself.
November 2021. Interesting, retrospectively.
Not shocked by none of this.
Hi, I’m here from 2024. It’s as bad as you guys feared.
In the Zelinsky call, Trump could not rise above the level of politician to that of impartial President. The fact that all but one US Senator could not rise above politics in the impeachment trial eliminates all but one for Presidential contender. I hope that is memorable for the country, but I doubt it.
"Everything Trump Touches Dies" as yet another book's title about the former president indicates.
PERSON stoked she used their book to read a quote from.
boy how they forshadows Jan 6 etc.
He`s an all smoke & mirrors guy.
much more sinister!
Lennig has a BEAUTIFUBackgrounds! (From TV interview backgrounds!)
Nice Marisa Lagos interview with the two extras on stage with her.
I could not disagree more with the idea that Trump should not be prosecuted for the crimes he committed prior to or after his election. If we want to avoid criminal and corrupt individuals from holding the highest office in our land, then we need to stop giving them a pass. He should be prosecuted as any other American would. Secret service can stand outside his cell to protect him. Failure to hold him accountable would only preserve and protect him from his true actions, while failing to protect all citizens of this country as well as our Constitution.
You guys, you guys, you guys...can we stop with the you guys already, and speak like grown ups?
NYT is reporting that trump is preventing the Bar Association from vetting judges.
So if the Bar Association is corrupt, then why would you let them vet anything?
July 2021 now
Why isn't anyone OUTRAGED ?!!!!
I am!!!
NO! His so called "win" in 2016 WASN'T LEGIT. Yet, nobody started an INSURRECTION!!!
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I was a bit late to the game on this one, but wow, what an excellent session! I've been glued to the screen and will definitely buy the book.
If the book is as well written as their responses to all the questions and their thoughts around Trump, his entourage and his major shortcomings, it must be a good one! I'm not American, but like everyone else in the world been deeply affected by his so called "presidency". Incredible that he had to ask the obvious; wether he had been legally elected or not. We all remember him starting out by proclaiming he had had a much larger amount of attendees than Obama. What a joke!! The man is a walking disaster.
Stop saying UM, so embarrassing
Our 92 year old Mom, God rest her Soul, wondered at the time of Helsinki how and why Trump was STILL ALIVE when AF1 landed back in the USA after taking Putin's side...
Even at this late date as I watched this program I was feeling anxious. I continue to pray that Heavenly Father will not test us again with this man.
The interviewer is awful. Too bad. Carol and Philip are so intelligent and interesting.
Wonderful, another candid comment about the interviewer. I made one higher up and feel less alone knowing my comments are shared.
Great book, thank you. Please look at and consider supporting Bernie Sanders🔥
15:50 Trump* didn't call these countries "asshole countries".
That would be so contrary to any protocols of statesmanship or the dignity of the office of President.
He called them "shithole countries."
* Impeached
Sorry, but I don't get the title. I would never buy this book with that title. With so many books out there from both sides why they would title the book sarcastically surely has affected their book sales. A much better title would have been "A Genius of Chaos" or "A Chaotic Genius."
I believe the title is a based on a direct quote from Mr. Trump. If I'm not mistaken, it was from a series of a statements he made while adressing policy and agenda issues on the campaign trail in 2016, when he had stated that he (I) alone could fix it. Perhaps more than once and about more than one issue. I feel the title was intended to convey Mr.Trump's inflated and arguably delusional over-confidence in his abiilties and over all competency. At least that's my take away...
Wow ..listening to this you realize Trump followers are as literate as Trump is about world affairs.
Which is to say, on a 1-10 scale, -3.2
Stable geniuses.
Every last one of them.
and we know what happened on Jan 6.
Could these people talk any faster!
While the impeachment farce, and the idiotic "Russiagate" baloney drags on, they all quietly vote for his every disgusting Bill. What a Charade.
What bill? Who is voting what? Russia gate? The Kremlin is writtening the checks
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29:20 Former KGB Agent
Such a duck EXISTS?
TampaDaves no such thing .. once an agent always an agent.. like the (government ran) mafia- you leave when you die
@@JG-zu5wc .. Thank you. I'd add former CIA agent. Also, anyone ever heard of a former asshole? Just asking.
moderator is terrible.
I hung on their very WORD!
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Nitpicking here, could we have less of the ‘you-guys’ in such a serious discussion? The interviewees are articulate and the two styles are a bit jarring. Otherwise, an excellent presentation.
Nana Jockel The interviewer is callow. Couldn’t the Commonwealth Club have found an interviewer with more depth and maturity? She sounds like she’s still in, “ohmigod!,” high school.
@@avesraggiana thats exactly, what I thought! Always high school like in her speech, sometimes to the point, where I could almost see (and hear) in my mind, those brainless bimbos in high school, who always deliberately spoke in this vacant immature way, thinking it made them look sophisticated, rather than just, well, stupid. And its sad, coz if u get past the interviewer's horrendous way of speaking, some of the questions are fairly good, but good god, was that really the best interviewer, they could find. As Nana says, the interviewees are so articulate, which just makes the interviewers immature speech pattern so much more obvious and jarring.
Plus, ofc, I was a nerd in high school, I always found those shallow bimbos, whose height of conversation was usually the latest makeup tips, a waste of time, and I certainly have no desire to relive the years of being forced to listen to these selfabsorbed bird brains wasting half the time in our classes, while somehow being condescending and demeaning to those of us, who actually wanted to learn.
I really wanted to listen to Leonnig and Rucker, but that interviewer made it completely impossible for me to get through the entire interview.
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"You guys, you guys, you guys, you guys"- come on.
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Take your retainer out before you go on stage to give a talk, sheesh...
What a terrible interviewer.
My h.s. Son’s girlfriend.
Meryl streep "overrated actor" The president of the United States. 😒
OMG‼️ This CHILDISH interviewer doesn't even have a COPY of the BOOK! Start around 56:00‼️ I AM AGHAST!
Phyllis, ah ha, another on target assessment of the interviewer. And it appears that some others here share our opinions.
TheEriekayaker, yes, really & I'm so surprised that this interviewer was allowed to perform such an important interview!
I noticed a trend where interviewers talk about themselves it's highly distracting and unprofessional. 7 minutes in she's mentioned herself 5 times. she asks a question and then makes a statement. Ask open-ended questions and let them speak. Stopped watching at9:38
Ye, ditto. I really wanted to listen to Leonnig and Rucker, 2 very smart and articulate ppl, and the interview was completely spoiled by a terrible interviewer, who most of all reminded me of those shallow, selfabsorbed bird brains in high school, who always spoke in this anti intellectual, immature way, thinking it made them sound sophisticated. The Commonwealth Club gets 2 of the best reporters in the business, and then they inflict this completely hopeless interviewer on them. Insane.
To be interviewed by the authors and you hav to defend yourself against anonymous accusers. Silly.
Commentator...too wordy. Do u need a Commentator.
The interviewer is really unprofessional, annoying, egocentric and not even good a junior ‘journalist’ for a secondary school paper. She never should have got the job to ‘interview’ these phenomenal professional investigative journalists. I really skipped the questions fast forward because I also couldn’t listen to her awful loud childish voice, and her typical millennial language and giggling. She is so much bizzy to enjoy her own ego end being in the position to be with real professionals that she decays after her first minute.
Lol, the comments is such a overly evident anti trump echo chamber. I mean, it's all fine and good to have your own little anti-trump hate club, and I'm really not a trump fan myself. But dear lord the rhetoric and undertone in this comment section still comes of as incredibly smug, snobbish and arrogant. Depend on the political homogeneity of the audience I suppose.
I bet you wish trump was in seat now, if not you are certainly biased.
Carol needs to do some investigative journalism into why Phil can't grow a proper beard.