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This video got me measuring my vintage machines and it turns out I got a whopping 9.5 Inches of harp space on a 1913 Singer 66k so it's taken 111 years for Jones to finally beat Singer at something.
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I own a Babylock Solaris Vision along with several other modern and vintage machines. I traded my Destiny for the Solaris and will stop there. The Solaris is wonderful…but it is too heavy to make it a classroom/retreat option. It also did not fit in my Koala Studio. Luckily I have an Aria that is a perfect fit. My Dealer has tried to get me to upgrade, but I am quite content with my current sewing machine fleet. Thank you for such a thorough review.
@@fourthgenquilter9801 Even the Destiny is big and heavy.
Thank you. Not a machine I would buy but all info on sewing machines is good.
Omg, you have given a most truthful comparison of both machines, and the similarities, especially since dealers don’t want to say they are the same (almost)
Thanks again , they are really out of my spending zone. I have the first Solaris without the upgrades and I still LOVE her……
I have the Janome M17 and love it! The motor is commercial grade and really makes the difference in sewing and embroidery. I have no regrets in my purchase.
Excellent review and helpful analysis. I feel the least liked part of quilting is the basting. The hoops take part of that away, but you'll have to change so often that you'll still end with wrinkles and gaps. So I will keep my existing set up - Longarm and Sewing Machine with embroidery. I think they missed on the regulator. Thank you, Sheree!!
I totally agree!
Thank you for your evaluation! Lots of good information.
I’m currently a Solaris owner, in the past always trading up and/or buying upgrades for years. The MSRP on the Radiance is way out of my price range since I am now retired. I doubt I’ll be buying this most recent machine. 😢
Quite a machine, priced out of my market.
Thanks for the information! I been there and I don't want to do that anymore. Sellers don't tell you the truth about the machines!
The price is too expensive. It’s just a 1000 dollars shy of what I spent on my new car in 2021! I could never justify it. (Or afford it) also, much of the ‘bells and whistles’ are things I would ever use.
Once you remove all those features, its just a darn sewing machine. Besides, you can use the car to buy more fabric :-)
Thanks for the info but I think I'll keep my Luminaire and buy a multi needle for embroidery, The Brother 6 needle goes on sale for less than half the price of the Aveneer. Saves me about $13,000 + tax
You still have to thread those 6 needles too unless you only want 6 colors on everything. I’m trading my upgraded Lumi 3 for the Baby Lock Radiance ( just saying no more to Disney) because I didn’t trade up before and now my old machine is worth less than 1/7 of the original price. The trade in values can be quite good depending on your dealer.
Yes, trade in values are pretty good so long as you find the right dealer and upgrade frequently. Congrats on the Baby Lock Radiance. Its probably the one I would pick too if I were going to buy one of these machines.
Yes!
Awesome review! Very thoughtful and honest. As a business analyst I am going to analyze the cost of the machine compared to the upgrades from all the other top of the line machines, encouraged and influenced by your review points. Great job! ❤❤❤
I ran the cost analysis and the recommendation is keep your top of the line machine as the added features to not add the appropriate $$$ value. I am surprised Brother is pricing this so high when it is clearly not worth the extra $$$$. And in this economy, a poor business decision by them. If you want the analysis, I can send as a PDF to anyone who asks. ;)
With the embroidery arm on both machines weight 60 lbs. These machines are nice but I would never use all the stitches. Plus they weigh too much for transport to retreats. As far a embroidery I love the idea of such a big hoop. It would be perfect for quilting, but at this price they could have included magnetic hoops; which are a game changer when it comes to embroidery. I truly enjoy your informational vlogs.
Not magnetic hoops seems like such an odd decision given that the Skitch has them, the only thing I can think is that the magnets could bend an enormous hoop if they get the design wrong.
Thanks for letting me know how much it weights altogether. Yes, it would have been better for them to include magnetic hoops. Thanks for watching.
I can not imagine a scenario where I would want this machine. It's GINORMOUS, HEAVY and way too much money for what you get. The Picture Play sounds cool but with only ONE needle. I don't have enough patience or time to change out all those thread colors. Ugh Too many things to go wrong with it. While it does many things, it appears it does not do them well. YMMV
Super cool machine but not for me; it's too heavy and too expensive. We are on a fixed income and have a mortgage. I struggle to carry my 21 lb Brother Innovis NQ1300PRW and am looking for a sturdy sew it all machine under 18 lbs. After 8 years, I've only used about 30% of the available stitches and features on the Brother 1300 and it seemed expensive at $1,500.00 (the updated one is $1,999.00!).
The Innovis is a nice machine. I like my machine light enough to carry around but heavy duty enough that it wont bounce around. Pfaff Passport 2.00 weights 14LBS. They are currenly on sale for $600 brand new. But, I've found them on marketplace in the $300 range. Only issue with that is that the throat space isn't very large. Thanks for watching.
It's a nice machine. It is too expensive to take the risks as with the Viking epic 3. I will watch and wait! Thanks again for sharing!
I have seen machines for sale on trade in at a fraction of the costs. So, if you were interested in getting one of these machines, I think it would make more financial sense to buy a gently used one.
I have an Altair-2 and, if I had an extra 25 grand, I'd LOVE to upgrade to this machine! I'll never have room for a long-arm, and having a stitch regulator would be fantastic. Another consideration though is that, as machines get bigger, the desks or tables we put them on also have to be bigger and sturdier. Also, I won't even travel with my Altair, so I still need to spend another 3000 to 4000 on a smaller, more portable machine that does embroidery, to be able to participate in the guild's embroidery club, retreats, etc. Realistically, my upgrade will probably be a traded-in Solaris.
The need for a second travel machine and a new table makes the bigger machines out of price range for a lot of people. Thanks for watching.
Nope, definitely not for me. I think the target market for these flagship machines forget that under all the novelties and gizmos, this is just a machine that puts thread through fabric.
Who IS the target market? The price is insane
@@sewntype As far as I can tell it's older folks who have run out of things to spend their money on.
Nope. Not for me either. More impressed with the B990 from Bernina.
@@Nicoyanot this older person!
@@sewntype This machine cost more than my first home!!!!! It’s absolutely to expensive. That’s why so many dealerships are going out of business. These companies are pricing out of normal consumers price range.
Too expensive. Although I like the features I have a babylock Ellisimo that was a top of the line way back and its fantastic and I still don't use some of the features. For this price I can buy a nice used 2nd vehicle which would take me to all the fabric stores!
Fair enough! I prefer fabric to machines too. LOL
The price tag did it for me. Not gonna happen over here.
Unless I hit the lottery I wouldn't pay this much for a machine. I'm considering getting a combo sewing/embroidery just to have the embroidery unit to test files for home users. I already have a commercial 15 needle embroidery machine. I got the commercial machine plus digitizing software and all of the supplies, over 350 colors of thread, magnetic hoops and more for under half of the cost of this machine. I appreciate your review!
Sounds like you have a very nice setup. Thanks for watching.
And not PES format. That was the final straw for me. Not going to fool with it. Will use what I have. No way do I want to have to fool with every embroidery file.
You can still use PES files, it just exports different. Same as the Luminaire :)
I’m still in love with my Luminaire. I can’t see that this machine offers me anything different, especially at $25,000.
Best overview I've seen. Thanks. Honestly, it's too much machine for me and costs more than my Saturn car did brand new (20 years ago). I'm not interested in embroidery, so I'm not the target market for these and other similar new machines. I went upscale when I hopped from a Singer HD (still have it) to a Brother PS575 PRW and then traded up to a BabyLock Soprano. I love my Soprano! And it only weighs about 21 lbs. A big thing for me nowadays is machine weight and it factors greatly into my decisions. I've even downsized my heavy vintages except for my Singer 15-30 treadle that was my grandmother's. Its harp space is almost as big as the Soprano's 8 1/2. Aside from my Soprano, the machine I use the most is an early 1970s Kenmore that weighs only 14 pounds and is a workhorse.
Yes weight definatly is a big factor for many of us.
I brought my most expensive sewing only machine a Babylock Soprano and that for me was a big buy. I haven’t used all the stitches and I’ve had it 2 years. I call my self a multi-purpose seamstress because I do it all ; from making my own clothes to alterations and home decor sewing. I did buy an embroidery only machine to add to my repertoire, but that being said I’m still under the $7000 range for my sewing and embroidery machines. At a $25,000 price I wouldn’t be able to buy supplies I need to sew! Good Sewing to you!
Thank you for the review. For me the major sticking point is that you are only gaining 1 inch of extra width. Had Brother extended the width by more then it may have been worth considering. 12 inches should have been the minimum. Also I would expect the design of the largest hoop and its long length v. short width will allow for fabric slippage despite pinning. It is certainly the case with the Luminaire largest hoop. Most of the other new features and not useful enough to warrant such a high price tag. Not into Disney (most of them are too small to do anything with).
Hmm. I didn't think about fabric slippage using the long hoop. Thanks for mentioning because I'm going to look into it.
It will definitely be a challenge to keep fabric properly hooped in that largest hoop. My largest hoop is 8x12 and works for all I want to do. I can easily see it taking an hour to prepare a hoop and pin, tape, do all you would need to do to keep the project in place.
Thank you for the information🤩
amazing comparative consumer research. thank you for sharing
I REALLY want the Aveneer. I have a Solaris and it’s a fabulous machine, but I am impressed by some of the new/improved features. I am a Scan N Cut user and only the Brother communicates with it. Otherwise, I’d be looking at the Radiance.
Yes, its awesome that Brother communicates with a scan n cut.
For $25k, why do I even need to operate anything? It should be a complete robot. Self driving.
I try Babylock and Brother. The difference among them is the Dysney design are the big difference. I try both and I truly prefer the Babylock.
Great explanation
My Skyline S9 is a 9mm machine, and a 10th of the price. Yes, my hoop is only 6x10, but it was 90% cheaper! Also, how does a projected buttonhole help with vertical spacing if the screen is 6x8” ( I think you said)? You can’t project all the buttonholes all the way down the shirt at once to check spacing.
You make an excellent point. I think the projector shows up 2inches behind the needle. So realistically, you would only be able to see 3 buttons at a time. To me, it still makes more sense to mark them out with chalk the old school way.
I have a Stellair. Only thing I wish it had was a camera, but it’s a work horse. This is to rich for my blood.
It’s not different enough from the Luminere to make it worth the crazy cost.
I thank very much for your reviews. My question is how come machines used to last for over 100 years. I have a Destiny and is a 10 years old machine. Its an old machine. And people say that there are no more parts available. So I think that is tottaly unfair. Just unethical.
It's ideal to have a machine that lasts a lifetime because it saves the environment and our wallets. But, its not good for companies (Hence why 90% of the vintage machine companies are out of business).
It’s like that with everything nowadays. Nothing lasts as long as they used too.
How about oiling it? Does it even have oiling points? I suppose when you have a 25K sewing machine you hire someone to service it once a year. 150 year old sewing machines still run today because people oiled them every time they used them
You don't oil this, it need to go back to the dealer once a year. Btw you are wrong about 150 year old sewing machines needing oiling every time they used them to keep them alive, they are better than that :) I've just serviced a 111 year old singer that was completely seized and all I needed to do was unscrew three screws, clean it with a rag soaked in machine oil give it a drink, then tip it to do the undercarriage as well. These machines cost 6 months wages for the average women when new and the metal they used (up until the 201k) was of such high quality that the gears and feed dogs are still sharp to this day. Downside is that the machine in front of me on the work bench comes in at 36lb and only does the one stitch with what I'd guess is a maximum of 4 stitch length.
The books recommend oiling after each use. But, my great grandmothers red eye sat in storage 40 years without an oil and sprang back into action without a problem. You are correct! Those machines were made to take a beating. Thanks so much for watching and commenting.
@@SewingandCaring Yeah, the cost in 1900 was what I was thinking about, actually. Very, very expensive and that's why people took care of them. Of all my machines, the 3 in my sewing space are a 201-2, 15-91 and an 80's vintage Kenmore in case I need those exotic zig-zag stitches. :)
Cool machine, but not for me. I wish I could have that large hoop, but not for $25K!
Too big not only will you need a big table you will need a big room so your table can be way out from the wall when that big embroidery hoop is on to keep from hitting the wall. The weight is just too much for most gals. Price is way too much. And I don’t like designs as big as that biggest hoop. Thinks they are being cheap in only giving 4 hoops with that price machine.NOT a machine I would even consider.
I have no idea how you would get this machine in for servicing. Its almost like an industrial where you need a tech to come out to your house.
200% agree. My Solaris sits on an IKEA conference table. Table fills room. The Solaris embroidery arm extends over front edge of table, and is always in danger when I stand up from a swivel chair. Being short, and half elderly, I can barely lift machine using top handle. I’ve never used the largest hoop. My favorite hoop was included with Aventura II, 6.25” x 10.25”.
@@ThimbleBook in my area that sure ain’t going to happen
@@margaretpate1785 I think they weren’t thinking about the people who really sew. As a person who sews a variety of different disciplines and in a lot different locations; I can’t imagine trying to tote this thing anywhere. Can you imagine taking it to a retreat? It would be dang near impossible. I agree they make it seem as though the huge hoop size is a selling point, but the reality is I’m hard press to find a design to fit my Pathfinder’s 8x12. It is good when my best friend ask me to use it for quilting her quilts, though. I do not move it from the desk I have it on. Good Sewing to you.
I don’t know if I should feel impressed with this brand new machine. Brother or the factory where this machines came and it used to design groundbreaking industrial technology, but this time feels different. It’s hard to shake the feeling that this is just an average machine, nothing special at all.
It makes for good marketing to add a bunch of fun features that seem cool. But in the long term, those features never get used by the end consumer. Once you remove the fun factor, it is just a regular sewing machine.
Would you like to know what $25k buys you in the sewing world besides this monstrosity?
A 6 needle brother embroidery machine w/stand and cap driver - $12,000
Brother PE Design software - $1000ish
Bernina L 850 air threading serger - $2500
Brother Stellaire Innov-is XJ2 - $8000
Brother Scan and Cut - $750
All for less than this machine, and you can totally find deals on all of these.
At least wait a year and buy a floor model for $12k instead of buying new.
This was an awesome breakdown. Basically you could outfit your entire sewing room with top of the line things for the same price you would pay for the Aveneer. Thanks for watching.
@@ThimbleBook thanks! I don't like seeing our community being taken advantage of with these new, shiny machines.
I doubt Brother makes 1,000 of the Aveneer. Way too expensive. I will keep my Stellaire XJ2. At least I got a good price on the Stellaire. Just not worth the $$. I kept getting emails from Brother on the Aveneer. They finally stopped sending the emails. If anything I hope this pushes down the price for all the other Brother sewing machines.
There have only been a handful of viewers who say they are in the market for these expensive machines. So, I don't think they are for the masses.
@@ThimbleBook My dealer quoted me $17,000 for the machine, with no bundle. He is usually lower than most. Trade in and discount for cash brought it down to $15,500, but at age 73, I just can't justify that. My VE2200 does all I need, plus some. It is a good stand alone embroidery machine with the 8x12" hoop. Heck, I don't want to embroider something as huge and this new machine can. And please tell me, why did they not make some sort of clips to help hold the embroidery medium in that big hoop? You know it will be a constant headache trying to keep it taught and no wrinkles. Ok I will shut up. haha
I wonder who the target customer is for this machine. Certainly not the average domestic sewist and it's not going to stand up to factory of industrial uses. I mean, after Trump and Elon Musk buy one, who's left?
In the UK and some other European countries you can write business experiences off against tax. Tell the tax man you need to embroider logos on all your employees shirts and then you can use it as hard as you like then part exchange it against the latest model each year.
If you are a retired neurosurgeon, maybe.