Question Time Stamps for Quick Reference: 0:00 Introduction 1. 0:04 Is there a conflict between being pro-life and pro-death penalty at the same time? 2. 3:54 Can you address what John means when he says that certain sins lead to death and some do not (1 John 5: 16-17)? Is there evidence in this passage that suggests you can lose your salvation? 3. 7:37 When, in the research process, do you (1) know you have read enough secondary literature to comment on the topic and (2) become confident enough to share your conclusion with thousands of people? 4. 12:40 Are there any verses in the Bible where it clearly states or implies that rights (life, liberty, and property) are inalienable and inherently possessed, as opposed to being dependent on self-ownership? 5. 19:03 God answered Hagar directly. Both her and many others before and after Christ. Do you think God sometimes uses the still small voice today, or only directly through the Scriptures? (Hebrews 1:2) 6. 24:53 Do you think that macro evolution is consistent with Scripture, since evolution works by death? As sin entered the world through Adam and through sin entered death (Rom 5: 12, Rom 8: 21-22). 7. 29:06 In 1 Corinthians 14: 22, Paul says tongues are a sign for non-believers and prophecy is a sign for believers. The next verses seem to flip it though. I can't make sense of it but I wondered your take on it. 8. 32:50 My parents think religion is stupid and I don't want to evangelize to them because they'll judge me and say that I'm stupid. Is that ok, or should I try anyway? If so, how? 9. 35:47 How would you understand the numbers in Revelation 7: 4? What does it mean by "144,000 were sealed"? Does it mean only 144,000 are faithful Christians? 10. 41:11 In 2 Peter 2:6, is the example of Sodom & Gomorrah literal? Does it mean that on the final day of judgment the ungodly will literally be condemned to extinction like they were? 11. 43:58 Is the Athanasian Creed biblical (specifically the first part which seems to imply that one cannot be saved without believing the doctrine of the Trinity)? 12. 45:53 Is it biblical to say that all temptation comes from Satan and the demonic? Or can temptation also come from your sinful self? 13. 50:23 Is there biblical support for having monarchies today? What attitude should we have toward monarchy, specifically? 14. 52:48 What is your view on the Creation account given in Genesis? Some people hold to a young earth, but with modern science, that seems unlikely. Questions then arise such as: did Adam and Eve exist? 15. 59:22 Were Old Testament believers born-again? Could they be called (during their lives) "children of God" as Christians can be called nowadays? 16. 1:02:06 Are nerdy hobbies (comics, movies, games, etc.) reconcilable with Christianity? Or should we discard them and use our time in other ways? 17. 1:04:21 My pastor teaches that we are "little Gods" from the word of faith movement. I have disagreed with him in private conversation about this and he is firm in his belief. How important is this issue to salvation? 18. 1:05:43 How does Israel in the Bible correlate to the present day political state of Israel? Are the promises for Israel meant for Israel today? 19. 1:07:39 Is there a difference between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven? If yes, can you explain it for me? 20. 1:09:04 What do you think of “dual covenant theology” (the belief that Jews can be saved without believing in Jesus due to their special covenant with God)?
12)Yes-all temptation comes from Satan. Sin is when you give into the devil’s temptation-1Corinthians 10:13. Yes to both Satan doesn’t take a break-John 10:10. 3) Physically or spiritually both should be taken seriously for 1John 5:16-17. We should always be available to share the Gospel with nonbelievers-spiritual death. If you see a believer in habitual sin you should rebuke them in love-physical death. The unpardonable sin is when nonbelievers do not accept Christ as their Savior. 💞 Luke 10:27 John 3:18 Romans 3:23-24
I believe this is a logical position. Punishing those who commit really evil crimes and protecting the innocent are reasonable and right-thinking positions.
@@happygimp0 A Christian is allowed to protect their family from someone trying to kill them. Nowhere in scripture does it say we should just let a murderer kill us and our families if they were trying to do so. Society/culture is the extension/the next step past the family unit. Scripture also says we should protect the innocent......therefore, if society deems that a death penalty is just, to keep murderers from taking innocent life ever again, its not a sin. Protecting people from evil is NOT a sin. A far as i'm aware.......an unborn child has NEVER murdered anyone in the history of forever. Murder is the only thing I believe there is, that warrants "the death penalty", in our current time, under the New Covenant. Crimes must be "paid for" THEY ARE DEBTS. .....literally EVERYTHING else can be paid back by restitution.......but there is NO restitution that can bring someone back from the grave. Therefore, if you take a life, that debt/ life can only be "paid for" with your own. AND that payment isn't so much a "paying back for the life you have taken", its more-so a "making sure you can NEVER do this again", since that individual has proven to society, in their actions, that they are a danger to innocent life. Its not about "vengeance", its about "protection"...........AND, that is exactly what the abortion issue is about. Protecting the innocent should be the #1 concern in ALL society. If it was, the world would be a MUCH better place. Your name says it all, but im a Jew(Messianic).......arguing is our national sport. We rather enjoy it. Would love to verbally spar with you. Amen & Shalom
@@QZigZagg LOL He should be buried treasure... Its a joke, a bad one. The fact that you didn't get it made it funny for me. Quite the opposite though, Mike is not burying his treasure, he is using youtube to multiply it, as the bible commands us to do.
I really respect the fact that you always always always consider what you don't know. And you said repeatedly that you "didn't want to overstep your knowledge". If more pastors did that, there would be a lot less confusion on basic understandings of Christianity. As well as new believers should always be aware of how much it actually requires to have an adequate understanding. For the sake of not causing confusion out of our own ignorance! Thanks a lot Mike! It's very refreshing, and also encouraging in the sense that we should not rush to gain understanding, but we should be diligent as you are encouraging through your example.
@@gareth2736 Perhaps... But if you follow biblical mandates (which I believe require 2 or more eyewitnesses ,if I recall correctly), that would be extremely-extremely rare, though if it did occur, also tragic. While today, we slaughter the innocent by the millions. _The solution?_
@@jessebryant9233 so in reality the death penalty would be rarely enacted as usually murder convictions are based on confessions or forensic evidence so wouldn't meet the standard for biblical proof. What would you do in these cases let the person go or give them a normal prison sentence? I certainly don't think it would be good to let them off, at least some of the OT laws are surely concessions to bronze age culture not laws that we should try to replicate in the 21st century. I also don't think I see the same trade off as you as I don't believe it is necessary to have a death penalty in order to be against abortion. I also note that neither Republicans or Democrats have generally done very much to reduce the level of abortions and even selecting conservative judges to the supreme court does not seem to do much to change Roe vs Wade as conservative judges seems to be so big on precedent and the constitution they don't tend to counternance radical change...m..although both Republican local policies of making access to abortions more difficult and Democrat local policies of providing more economic support to poor single mums and providing easier access to contraceptives have both proved effective in reducing abortions in certain local areas where this has been a real focus.
funny human As it is, the death penalty IS rare. I agree, though, with Mike and others, our system is terrible. There’s unbelievable levels of corruption all throughout. As you stated, even judges aren’t necessarily interpreting the law according to constitution (as the SCOTUS is supposed to) but according to precedent. I’ve had decision by one judge can affect law for a very long time. That’s not even getting into how the system can be bent according to ones resources to bend it. But at the same time, sometimes access to money can be a hindrance, especially in cases where a wealthy defendant is judged by a jury who, depending on personal bias, may see them as guilty BECAUSE they’re wealthy. It’s an odd thing. Almost like it’s schaudenfreude. I’d say most often wealth works in ones favor. But there are those cases it does the opposite. Overwhelmingly I’d say, the poor are probably the most likely to be harmed in a system such as ours. Perhaps the answer is to have lawyers as public servants, where there is no opportunity for wealth to be a factor. At the same time, I suppose, that still introduces the opportunity for corruption in the form of bribes, etc. In short, no human justice system will ever compare to the righteousness of God’s justice. Mistakes can and will happen. It is those times that we stay strong in our assurance that first, God is allowing for an “innocent” (though none are truly innocent) to be punished for His reasons, and second, that Gods justice will always prevail in the end. Everything happens for a reason, whether because God allows it or causes it. As for us, we do our best by following His commands. Funny, I have recently been involved in RUclips arguments over a case in South Africa, where a young man was convicted of murdering his mom, dad and brother and attempted murder if his sister. After combing through the details of the case, I have come to strongly believe he is innocent of the crime. However, the absolute hate I’ve received for daring to defend this view , and expressing compassion for this “murderer” (including offering my prayers for him) has truly brought home for me the fact that there’s not really anything that divides “us” from “murderers”. We are all sinful and wicked. It really struck me how so many people seemed GLEEFUL at the thought of his suffering. How many comments of people wishing horrible things on him. It was honestly quite jarring. And I realized, I have been the same in the past. Believing myself righteous in my surety of my judgement of others. It truly brought into sharp focus the Bible’s pleas to remember the prisoners, that even they are worthy of compassion. Hard to do in practice. But it was a real eye opener to me on the nature of humans and what true Christ-like compassion really is. Puts the justice system into a different light. And seems even more problematic now than ever. But again, no real good solutions, so I ultimately remember that this life is so short, so fleeting. That really, there’s no good option other than placing your faith and trust in Gods mercy and justice.
Emmaline says: "... That really, there’s no good option other than placing your faith and trust in Gods mercy and justice." - True dat! The Ultimate Judge who is infinitely just is our greatest concern and our only hope! Amen!
Hi Mike, a sister from the Netherlands here. So not only people from Belgium but also the neighbor is listening to your sermons and teachings, God bless your work and your family. Thank you very much and keep on going and smiling. Love your humor. God bless you brother!
We all need to remember as viewers that Mike is not infallible, just like every other preacher and teacher. The value in this channel is that Mike is so good at basing his views on the Bible. Other people might know more about specific issues and it seems to me that Mike is willing to listen to what other people have to say.
Thank you for clarifying how one can be pro-life and pro-death penalty...a baby is not a murderer and a convicted murderer is not innocent...God bless you
@@gareth2736 thank you, human judgment is not perfect, and assuming it is lead to mistakes and killing of innocents. No margin of error is acceptable with choice to take a human life
God gave us the standard by which the margin of error can be dealt with effectively. See Deuteronomy 19:15: "A single witness shall not suffice against a person for any crime or for any wrong in connection with any offense that he has committed. Only on the evidence of two witnesses or of three witnesses shall a charge be established." Corroboration is critical! I once had a prosecutor ask me as a potential juror whether I would accept the word of a solitary witness who had a very compelling testimony. I said that I would still require corroboration of some kind, and in the next round, that prosecutor used their option to eliminate me from the jury pool. But even Jesus required corroboration for his own claims ("If I speak on my own, my testimony is invalid”). God is truth, and because God is a Trinity, we know that truth requires multiple persons. We need to get back to the divine standard of evidence grounded in the self-corroborating nature of the triune Godhead!
We have a direct command in scripture NOT to stop meeting with each other. In my opinion that is a call for disobedience to a government that forbids churches meeting.
Hi, Mike. In the first 3 minutes there were more than 70 questions submitted. This is amazing to me! I think you might need to 1) do this more often, 2) extend to 40+ q's per session or 3) clone yourself. lol I'm thrilled to see your site grow and that others are becoming more aware that you give good - biblically sound - thoughtfull answers to our questions!!
Hey Mike... I’ve been going through all your 20 question videos. I love them. We first saw you, I believe, on the documentary “an American gospel.” I’m totally with you on Abortion, I’m completely 100% pro life; however, I’m also anti death penalty. Basically for the reasons that Christ was crucified. People are flawed, and so is our judgement, so to make a judgment on a person by evidence (not absolute proof), isn’t good enough, for it may be an innocent man. You’ll probably never see this, but thank you for your insight to Christianity and your teachings.
@moosechuckle Do you accept video evidence? Do you accept DNA evidence? Do you accept confessions that include factual details of their crimes known only to the authorities?
Regarding the Genesis question, I appreciate that you admit to not landing on a biblical conclusion. Here's what helped me land on the literal 7 days side of the discussion: Exodus 20:11. There are other reasons, but other scripture passages are my best source for interpreting scriptures I don't know how to interpret. God bless you brother!
Thanks pastor Mike! You answered how someone can be against abortion and be For the death penalty. I like hear people's different views. They might come up with ideas that I didn't think of.
I haven’t watched it yet. I intend to because I really love this channel and I think Mike does a great job addressing any question. My comment is just a response to the title… I don’t see how there is a real case to be made that being in favor of protecting the right to life of a growing baby inside a womb means I can’t also believe that a penalty of death is appropriate for certain crimes. On the one hand, an innocent human life created through the choices of 2 other people, entirely dependent on its mother for sustenance and protection. It has no agency whatsoever to affect its own life or fate, but it is created in the image of God and is a person Jesus died on the cross to save. On the other hand we have crimes grave enough to carry the gravest consequence - death - and adults who have the agency to CHOOSE to perpetrate those crimes, even though the established penalty is death. 🤔 God isn’t anti-death. He is just, He is loving, He is merciful... many many many other things as well... and He has ordained that sin has consequences. Romans 6:23 - “the penalty of sin is death.”
2:17: “your morals are inside out and upside down.” Well said. Difficult to reason with such people. Emotions based vs. Scripture based. They’re totally bought into the narrative of the world. Their ladders are leaning against the wrong tree.
And for those that are innocent and falsely convicted and then put to death? Pro death penalty advocates are literally voting to kill an innocent person.
With regard to the question about old testament jews being born again, I think the closest we have to an answer is in Hebrews 11:39-40 "These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect." (NIV) Christ died for them too.
Thanks for your helpful answers Pr. Mike! I just want to say that there is a work of the Holy .But in Israel now with the "Messianic Jews". Not very widespread yet, but genuine.
About the 144,000 compare Rev 6:8 and the introduction of the 144,000 in Rev 7 with Ezekiel 14:21-23. A lot of parallels there, ending with a statement that because of this group of people coming out of Jerusalem we will know that God has not done without cause all the tribulations that have happened.
The contradiction isn't found in the one who says let innocent babies live and put to death those guilty of murder. It is found in those who say how dare you promote the death penalty for murderers but defend the killing of innocent babies in abortion. It IS the pro-life position to be against abortion and for capital punishment.
Big difference in killing a innocent baby and ending the life of a grow adult who consciously made a decision that had horrific results that affected others.
Milk, just heard you answering a question about the 144,000 to someone on this video. I’d recommend listening to Joel Richardson. I found his videos very insightful and sound in his teachings. He has a series that is up to #21 IIRC and still continuing to walk through the book of Revelation. God bless! Enjoy watching your videos with my husband.❤️🙏
1:07:39 Mike, I have a book called The Eight Kingdoms and I believe it shows conclusively that the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven are different. And when you realize that they are different it will really change how you look at Scripture. A simple example is the sheep and goat judgments are a part of the kingdom of heaven and that will happen during the thousand year reign of Christ and has nothing to do with the church. I would love to get this book in your hands.
For Kingdom of God vs Kingdom of Heaven- my perspective has been that Kingdom of Heaven is used throughout Matthew, which is the gospel to the Jews. I thought that was used because of their reverence for the name of God and thus relatable for them
Ohh I can’t wait for mike to do a study on revelation in the future eschatology is so confusing with all these different views pre, mil , futurist etc it would be nice to see mikes view and break it down
You crack me up, Mike! I feel like your patience for non sense dwindles more every day haha. You’re still extremely gracious, of course, but your murderous baby comment had me rolling!
Excellent. The moral position regarding capital punishment and abortion is unambiguous. That Christians are so confused on the issue shows that they are listening to the world, not to scripture.
Hi Mike , How does a parent/ grandparent handle the statement "We want our children to makeup their own minds ,without allowing me or exposing them to Christian friend s and church any more ; leaving me a vague ultimatum if I want to continue to be a part of their life . I almost collapsed but withdrew to keep my breath , my composure , my heart ♡♡♡ . Each time I bring up a "blessing " or a prayer , etc . I'm gently reminded "not everyone feels the same way you do Mom so ,you need to leave it alone " . Some advice . I pray ,I feel safe in his presence but, I get lost in this quick . Their my children .
I feel like I have been searching for God for 50 years. I live a Christian life, but I cannot feel His love. And then I hear that God "found" someone whilst they were living in their basement smoking pot! God FOUND them, but he hasn't found me. Are there some people that God just doesn't want?
God’s disposition is not one of rejection. He doesn’t turn away those who come to him. Living a Christian life can’t save you, but feelings can also lie. Just because you don’t feel Christian doesn’t mean you’re not. If you’ve repented; turned away from sin, and fallen on the mercy of the God described in the Bible, then God by no means will cast you out (John 6:37). Though feelings can be a blessing, they can lie. If you’ve left sin (not that you never sin) and come to the Father through Christ, trust his love for you and mercy and not your feelings (we aren’t Jedi). “Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth. By this we shall know that we are of the truth and reassure our heart before him; for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything” (1 John 3:18-20).
I take the YEC view for a few reasons, but as for the day/yom thing, it does say "the Sixth Day" and "the Seventh Day" while all the previous days are like "a first day"/"day one" (either translation work). I don't know why God said it that way, but I know that day 6 and 7 are "the" 6th and 7th days of the Creation specifically because the text says they are. Also as a YEC I can still take the extremely valuable historical contextual information of the Ancient Near Eastern scholarship and what they say about the text without abandoning the view that the text is still describing the Creation of the relatively Young Earth. I have shifted, since learning about the ANE context, to knowing that the emphasis and focus of Genesis 1 (and what the Body of Messiah should be focusing on) is actually on God making Creation His Temple instead of just Him telling us how He formed Universe in the Beginning.
Thank you for your work! I've gotten this question from many people. Now, I feel better equipped to have this discussion now I'm not sure what kind of mental gymnastics some people have to do to even compare the death of an infant to the death of an adult who made stupid choices which landed them on death row. smh
Two reasons why I would say I definitely lean towards them being actually day are the wording of the evening and the morning where the number day in that format is every day said and it says I Genesis 5:2-5 where it talks about Adom's death really show it couldn't be 1000 years is a day concept of creation, but I do believe the earth was completely created by God but that it was created longer than creation because of Genesis 1:2 i am curious on your feedback I really appreciate and respect your work
Animal death before the Fall makes no sense to me when I read Romans 8;18-22 sometimes people try to absorb ideas of other Christian believers because they like them rather than sticking to the actual Bible I think the argument from silence is very weak and wouldn’t be accepted in other situations so it doesn’t make sense why it would be relied upon here
One thing to remember is that the biblical definition of life is different than our modern scientific definition. Modern science considers plants alive. God says that the life is in the blood, so when he refers to life, we need to read it with his definition. As I understand it, that would include humans and animals. Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:11
The woman caught in adultry, John 7:53-8:11. Adultry carried the death penalty, and there is no denying that. Jesus showed her Mercy, and so why should we not show Mercy to murders? Why should we continue stoning people?
According to the Mosaic law, both the man and the woman caught in adultery were to be stoned. The Pharisees only brought the woman, seeking to trap Jesus. Thus, they were already acting illegally by not having both parties in the adultery present.
@@diarradunlap9337 correct. But why didn't Jesus stone her then? Because mercy. So why are you believing in mercy, and yet saying no mercy for murders? King David was a murders. Moses was a murder, if God can show a murders mercy why can't you? Why do you think it's preferable to just kill them?
@@evanpedri Well, that part of John 12, has been pretty much disputed by scholars as not being an actual part of the gospel. It says so in almost every modern translation you read. It might have happened, but since we aren't completely sure, it would better to not focus our theology and teaching around that event in John 12. A murderer takes the life of someone unjustly, so therefore the payment for such evil is his own. It's justice. Love includes being fair and just.
Mike, For your answer for question #12 you say that a wicked desire is United with our will and that is what equals the conception of sin.... so would it be correct to say that your evil desire that is United with your will = a choice to do that sin. So to know that the conception has taken place, you would have made the decision in your heart before the sin has taken place and you have already sinned at that point? Is that what Jesus is talking about when he says that if you lust in your heat you have already committed adultery? Or committed murder by angry in your heart? Thank you for your ministry! You have greatly blessed me! Yes
As a born and raised pentecostal christian ... I often see people being very unbiblical with tongs and it's difficult to figure out how to confront that with out offending them. Mainly i think most of the people that do that come from a place of ignorance on what scripture says about it
@Mike Winger Regarding the creation account in Genesis, I recommend the movie/documentary Genesis Paradise Lost. There might be good arguments for a "young earth". :) I haven't studied this yet, but the arguments were interesting, at least for me! 😁
There is no issue with holding these two beliefs. Abrortion ends a faultless, potential life while the death penalty ends the life of a murderer and usually a very dangerous one. However, being pro choice and anti death penalty is irrational. How can you be okay with ending a faultless life but not that of a dangerous murder?
@@tookie36 Read closely; the world is not black and white, this or that. You do not have to before one thing if you are for another. My question was how can a person be pro-choice and against the death penalty. Your answer was that innocent people have been executed. I asked if babies were not innocent and you can't answer. This is the problem with so many; you have never actually thought about your beliefs. If you have you certainly aren't representing them well here. I am not for the death penalty and I am not pro-choice. However, even if I were for the death penalty it would not be an inconsistent belief. In the U.S. today the standards of evidence required before a death penalty is given makes it astronomically unlikely that an innocent person will be executed. While being pro-choice absolutely means you are okay with taking innocent life.* So, will you answer question or keep dodging? Are babies innocent? Edit - *My reasons for being against the death penalty is that there is a very tiny likleyhood a not guilty person will be executed and I don't want that blood on my hands. Also, I don't like the idea of the state having such power over life.
@@tookie36 Also Mason, a friendly word of advice; everyone that disagrees with you is not your enemy. Having intellectually honest conversations and debates is a sign of maturity and good will. The tactic you attempted to employ does no good for anyone. It is dishonest, it is lazy and inevitably makes you look silly.
I'm interested to hear your views on both these things. Right now, I'm not for the death penalty. Personally I don't think its for me to decide who loves or dies but if a court rules it so for a heinous crime, I don't object because the justice system also has authority to make those decisions. I was conservative about abortion but not so sure any more due to conversations with my mom. As a medical procedure there really may be strong reasons to end a pregnancy. If the mother might die or a child being raped or an unviable fetus. So Im still not generally for it but I also think there are some circumstances where it depends. No case is ever going to be the same. But I've been wanted to hear more about the Biblical responses to this issue. I know God is THE authority not my views.
Pastor Mike, Can a Christian protest against government corruption, Capitalism, extra-judicial killing, lying on Media, deforestation and all the other issues? I am serious of this question. I hope you answer this....
I’m not Pastor Mike, but I can point you to a couple of Bible passages. To answer your question, it really depends on what you mean by protest. If it involves disrespecting or failing to submit to the government, then no a Christian may not (Romans 13:1-7, 1 Peter 2:13-17).
@@levifox2818 thank you sir... im pointing to government officail that is corrupt and ignoring the real issue of society like commodities and necesities
@@levifox2818 Except there is a time when it is appropriate to stand up to a tyrannical government. For example, Hitler's Nazi Germany. Many "good" people closed their eyes and minds to the atrocities that were happening. I don't believe it would have been wrong to oppose that government.
You can believe however you want as far as the death penalty is concerned. Personally, I’m pro life all around. Not that the death penalty isn’t deserved in certain heinous circumstances but what concerns me is that there have been many wrongly accused. I would need a solid, on camera, 3 or more witnesses before I’d be comfortable taking a life.
Hello! Very grateful for all that you do here! It has helped me, and our family, more than you'll know! I was wondering, with regards to tongues... our denomination believes that the first evidence of baptism in the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues, and they believe this becomes your personal "prayer language" that is one that can sound like just gibberish but is a prayer language btwn you and God through the Holy Spirit. I believe they say it is a requirement to be considered for the board of elders. I don't know but I dont see where the Bible teaches to have a prayer language. Can you shed light on this topic sometime? Thanks so much!
Hi Mike. About Kingdom of God/Kingdom of heaven. I read somewhere that devout Jews often used "Kingdom of heaven" meaning exactly the same Kingdom of God. Maybe as in the Daniel 4:, when King Nebuchadnezzar discovered that "Heaven rules". In verses 25-26 it says first that the "Most High" (+ God) rules, then that Heaven rules. So, as you said, it seems the terms are interchangeable.
Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” For our sins we deserve hell. But since Jesus came to this earth as a free gift out of God’s amazing love to pay for our sins and take the punishment we deserved we can be saved. We accept this gift with our genuine faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8-9)
# 16 the Sabbath Isaiah 58:13 (KJV) If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words: Old habits are hard to break . Speaking of my own weakness.
Is it not that the author in Matthew was writing was holding to a Jewish tradition of not wanting to say the name of G-d, for fear of using it inappropriately. So Kingdom of Heaven was used instead. Their meaning is the same it just comes down to a cultural custom.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" This is what Jesus told the woman who was about to face "death penalty " for adultery. If murder is wrong, it's wrong no matter who carries it out. "Judge not that ye may not be judged". These are the teachings of the Christ we say we are following.
@@selaankudey1762 Absolutely right. Thanks you. People just quote scripture out of context. Very disturbing. Pick and choose instead of studying and learning. 📖🔦💡
The woman caught in adultery was added later, it was not in the original text so there is no reason to think Jesus actually said it. Besides, even if the text is accurate it means Jesus stopped an angry mob from killing a woman without a trial. That doesn't mean anything for capitol punishment. The Bible says murderers deserve the death penalty and God has given the government the authority to carry out that sentence.
@Mike Winger, if you see this, check out John Lennox's, "Seven Days that Divide the World." It's a fairly short book that goes into the sorts of things Genesis 1 & 2 day vs what they don't say. In writing it, because He isn't a Hebrew scholar, he did talk with multiple Hebrew scholars, as you should never base anything off of what a single person says. Anyway, it's an interesting read.
you can read all over the bible that God is the one who holds the power to life and death. we dont have that power, how can you decide if someone deserves to be killed? you can't that is not our job, our job is to show mercy, love, patience to that person, first of all because you dont know, maybe they will turn to Christ later in life, but also because we are called to love people, how can you say you love someone but then take out of them the posibility of being saved? that for me is moral insanity. Matthew 5:38-48
I am a believer, but I cannot speak in tongues. I need interpretation as well. To me, if I would see this in Church, I would think they are either mentally unstable or possessed, and I would no longer attend that church because I need to protect myself as a Christian from something that would cause me to stumble and fall.
I would like to introduce an alternative position: Pro-life in all cases from conception to natural death. Abortion is murder and I believe all Christians believe this but what about capital punishment? Abortion is defined as an intrinsic evil; that is, there is never a reason for it. The death penalty, while extreme, is not an intrinsic evil. With that said, I oppose it for the following reason: Even a murderer needs their entire life to repent. They can be forgiven if they repent and there’s also the possibility of wrongful conviction. Therefore I believe murderers should spend life in prison. The effect is the same - the inmate dies in prison - but on a date set by God not set by the state.
Hi mike, this is just a comment on your second to last question on Kingdom of God vs Kingdom of Heaven. I can’t remember who I heard it from but I remember the answer being given to me was that Israel would say kingdom of heaven because the name of God was holy and unspeakable. To the gentile or later Jew, however, it was more acceptable to speak Gods name on a personal basis. Once again, can’t remember where I heard this but maybe you can find out if that is a valid stance. Thank you for your ministry!
Kingdom of heaven appears 32 times all in Matthew. I think that is significant. Matthews audience seems to have been predominantly Jewish. The introduction to Matthew in my study Bible says the evidence of this is-matthews title for Jesus as “son of David”, the lack of explanation regarding Jewish customs as they would have already understood them, the books bridging of OT and the fulfillment of the awaited messiah. I fully admit I’m no expert and like you said in your video, my mind is subject to change upon reliable biblical evidence but as of right now this would seem like a reasonable answer.
Did you say that you had a second channel dedicated to encouraging other Christians to start a channel? What is your other channel? I'm planning to create content soon and I'd love to subscribe!
The major difference between a baby in the womb and a criminal on death row is innocence. The baby has done nothing to justify death. The murderer very much has done something to justify death. It makes no sense to even equate the two.
Mike you aren’t supposed to do your delights on the sabbath, that’s a day you set aside from all labor and delights for God. So no you don’t read comics on the sabbath. But I agree on what you said about video games and things and it’s kind of a problem that I’m having to fix, a lot of games I play have violence and unholy things like cursing and I’m just struggling to cut out everything that has a swear a word in it, it’s very hard to avoid. :/
I love your teachings. I listen to you almost every day. But you and I have to agree to disagree on the death penalty. If you need my reason, okay we simply don't use biblical principles to convict them and people get the death penalty who are innocent sometimes. We are killing people because we THINK or are almost completely sure they did it. But we didn't see it.
I think it is in the best faith as the connection is clear. Both are living beings with souls and emotions. It should be up to God to judge them not man.
@@John-vj6ss Not at all, sorry if it came across that way! No I'm simply saying that taking a human life should not be in the authority of a flawed human justice system, as I will inevitably lead to the loss of innocent lives. Not to mention a lifetime in prison, for a truly guilty person, is a lifetime to repent.
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I havent twsted this, but Kingdom of God vs Kingdom of Heaven may justbhave to do with the context of the usage. For example, when speaking of the object as having originated in God, it makes sense to say kingdom of God. When speaking of the destination or the locational relation of the object, kingdom of heaven makes sense. In other words, I can say I am my father's son, and I can say I dwell in Florida, and they are both true descriptors that make sense to use in different contexts. I can be part of the kingodm of God in fraternity, and I can be part of the Kingfom of Heaven by destination
How can we as christians support the death penalty?! If we are saved, we know that we are just as evil as the murderor, if not worse. The Bible says that we commit murder in our heart whenever we hate, and for those who are not saved, they will bare the punishement for that on judgement day, not here on earth. I get it that the Bible says that governaments don't have the sword in vain, but i don't see how that applies to the death penalty. And the old testament supports the death penalty but that is the old covenant, just like stoning people etc... Killing someone is always wrong, no matter what the circumstances are.
Well, no, there is such a thing as 'worse' sins. Not with respect to atonement; all sin warrants death. But with respect to penalties that God himself required/requires, yes, some sins are worse than others. Its a very basic legal and societal principle that a more serious sin/crime requires a greater punishment. Death for murder actually affirms the ultimate value of life, since death is the ultimate punishment. Those who oppose the death penalty unwittingly devalue life.
You mention Christ's words on hatred being murder in the heart, but you don't show how this is at all the same as physical murder, and then how this somehow (magically, if I'm honest) means the death penalty is wrong and abrogated. Ironically, the passage on the state bearing the sword was stated by Paul, in the New Covenant. He never condemns the death penalty, despite having numerous opportunities to (he never tires from condemning the world of its sins). Finally, that killing is always wrong no matter what is, if I may be honest, chief Biblical ignorance. Nowhere is this idea ever even implied in the Bible, Old or New Testament. You are reading an erroneous seamless garment, post-enlightenment theology into the Word of God.
@@TheOtherPaul as you said we deserve the death penalty for ALL sin: so how can we say "the murderor can be killed but not me"? For the sake of society's safety the murderor can just as easily rot in jail, but to kill him would be wrong as we (deserving of the same punishement) are not justified to kill someone who is just like us. Who are we to do vengeance on our own? Vengeance belongs to the Lord. It would be right for us to do it if it was ordered to us by God, but it is not. As i already mentioned, God does say in the old testament to give the death penalty to murderors, but the same goes for homosexuals. The old covenant required they be punished too. But Christ gave us a new covenant to obey, and nowhere in the new testament have i seen a verse that supports killing anyone, under any circumstance.
While there is biblical teaching about the death penalty the problem is that the system within which it operates in our world is profoundly unfair. There has been many people who were executed for crimes they did not commit, let alone those who were driven into a criminal lifestyle because of the structural injustice that exists in the country. As a pro-life person I find it difficult to understand the lack of mercy for those who our unjust justice system chooses to kill. Other countries put people in prison for life. Isn’t this better? Imagine the decision was about a loved one.
I do belive in Romans it states we are to follow the current governments authority. They weild the sword, it's not up to us to judge the penalty. We as Christians already know certain acts do deserve death. It's not up to you to say it's unfair what God has placed as authority. Follow Christ.
@@souzajustin19d this would make it unbiblical to challenge unfair government practices or human rights abuses. Just because there is biblical grounds for a death penalty does not mean that we have no role in challenging unfair practices even by government.
@@marymasthe1st324 That is correct, as Jesus was sentenced to death by his own government, and every Apostle was sentenced to death by their governments. None challenged the authorities, they accepted their fate right or wrong to the death. No one said carrying the cross is an easy task, it's a sacrifice of your self to the will of God. When Peter said you must not go, you must not die, or when drew the sword to deffend Christ.. Christ responded to him as Satan and those who live by the sword die by the sword. The Prophet Elijah refused to bow to the false idol, but was ready to be burnt alive and die for his crime. The Prophet Daniel, who refused to stop praying went to the dungeon with lions, ready to die.
@@souzajustin19d Firstly, Jesus came to die. The government did not take His life. Jesus laid it down for us. So this is totally different. My question is did Paul sin when he refused to renounce his faith? He disobeyed the government, right?
@@marymasthe1st324 Paul did not sin, the same as Daniel did not sin. They both refused, and both accepted their crimes and punishment. Jesus refused, but accepted his crime the same way. It's a reaccuring thing, accept the governments laws, hold God's law above it, but accept the punishment to show your respect and responsibility.
Question Time Stamps for Quick Reference:
0:00 Introduction
1. 0:04 Is there a conflict between being pro-life and pro-death penalty at the same time?
2. 3:54 Can you address what John means when he says that certain sins lead to death and some do not (1 John 5: 16-17)? Is there evidence in this passage that suggests you can lose your salvation?
3. 7:37 When, in the research process, do you (1) know you have read enough secondary literature to comment on the topic and (2) become confident enough to share your conclusion with thousands of people?
4. 12:40 Are there any verses in the Bible where it clearly states or implies that rights (life, liberty, and property) are inalienable and inherently possessed, as opposed to being dependent on self-ownership?
5. 19:03 God answered Hagar directly. Both her and many others before and after Christ. Do you think God sometimes uses the still small voice today, or only directly through the Scriptures? (Hebrews 1:2)
6. 24:53 Do you think that macro evolution is consistent with Scripture, since evolution works by death? As sin entered the world through Adam and through sin entered death (Rom 5: 12, Rom 8: 21-22).
7. 29:06 In 1 Corinthians 14: 22, Paul says tongues are a sign for non-believers and prophecy is a sign for believers. The next verses seem to flip it though. I can't make sense of it but I wondered your take on it.
8. 32:50 My parents think religion is stupid and I don't want to evangelize to them because they'll judge me and say that I'm stupid. Is that ok, or should I try anyway? If so, how?
9. 35:47 How would you understand the numbers in Revelation 7: 4? What does it mean by "144,000 were sealed"? Does it mean only 144,000 are faithful Christians?
10. 41:11 In 2 Peter 2:6, is the example of Sodom & Gomorrah literal? Does it mean that on the final day of judgment the ungodly will literally be condemned to extinction like they were?
11. 43:58 Is the Athanasian Creed biblical (specifically the first part which seems to imply that one cannot be saved without believing the doctrine of the Trinity)?
12. 45:53 Is it biblical to say that all temptation comes from Satan and the demonic? Or can temptation also come from your sinful self?
13. 50:23 Is there biblical support for having monarchies today? What attitude should we have toward monarchy, specifically?
14. 52:48 What is your view on the Creation account given in Genesis? Some people hold to a young earth, but with modern science, that seems unlikely. Questions then arise such as: did Adam and Eve exist?
15. 59:22 Were Old Testament believers born-again? Could they be called (during their lives) "children of God" as Christians can be called nowadays?
16. 1:02:06 Are nerdy hobbies (comics, movies, games, etc.) reconcilable with Christianity? Or should we discard them and use our time in other ways?
17. 1:04:21 My pastor teaches that we are "little Gods" from the word of faith movement. I have disagreed with him in private conversation about this and he is firm in his belief. How important is this issue to salvation?
18. 1:05:43 How does Israel in the Bible correlate to the present day political state of Israel? Are the promises for Israel meant for Israel today?
19. 1:07:39 Is there a difference between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven? If yes, can you explain it for me?
20. 1:09:04 What do you think of “dual covenant theology” (the belief that Jews can be saved without believing in Jesus due to their special covenant with God)?
Thanks Sarah ❤️ xxx
12)Yes-all temptation comes from Satan. Sin is when you give into the devil’s temptation-1Corinthians 10:13. Yes to both Satan doesn’t take a break-John 10:10. 3) Physically or spiritually both should be taken seriously for 1John 5:16-17. We should always be available to share the Gospel with nonbelievers-spiritual death. If you see a believer in habitual sin you should rebuke them in love-physical death. The unpardonable sin is when nonbelievers do not accept Christ as their Savior. 💞 Luke 10:27 John 3:18 Romans 3:23-24
Hi pastor mike! If possible can we have 5questions from Mark Series then another 5 of random questions? Thanks!
@Mike Winger you should check out Chuck Missler’s series on Genesis on RUclips. It’s totally over my head but incredibly interesting.
Hi Sarah, on question 2 he mentions a teaching on 1 John 5? Do you know a link to that?
I believe this is a logical position. Punishing those who commit really evil crimes and protecting the innocent are reasonable and right-thinking positions.
Is there a sin which is not really evil?
Death penalty goes completely against everything the Bible teaches for Christians.
That is just not true
@dkfelix they do in Europe
Didn’t adulteresses get stoned? What would have happened to their unborn?
@@happygimp0 A Christian is allowed to protect their family from someone trying to kill them. Nowhere in scripture does it say we should just let a murderer kill us and our families if they were trying to do so.
Society/culture is the extension/the next step past the family unit.
Scripture also says we should protect the innocent......therefore, if society deems that a death penalty is just, to keep murderers from taking innocent life ever again, its not a sin.
Protecting people from evil is NOT a sin.
A far as i'm aware.......an unborn child has NEVER murdered anyone in the history of forever.
Murder is the only thing I believe there is, that warrants "the death penalty", in our current time, under the New Covenant.
Crimes must be "paid for" THEY ARE DEBTS.
.....literally EVERYTHING else can be paid back by restitution.......but there is NO restitution that can bring someone back from the grave. Therefore, if you take a life, that debt/ life can only be "paid for" with your own.
AND
that payment isn't so much a "paying back for the life you have taken", its more-so
a "making sure you can NEVER do this again", since that individual has proven to
society, in their actions, that they are a danger to innocent life.
Its not about "vengeance", its about "protection"...........AND, that is exactly what the
abortion issue is about.
Protecting the innocent should be the #1 concern in ALL society.
If it was, the world would be a MUCH better place.
Your name says it all, but im a Jew(Messianic).......arguing is our national sport. We rather enjoy it.
Would love to verbally spar with you.
Amen &
Shalom
Mike is such a treasure! I pray God blesses Allison & him so so much!
You're right he should be buried under the ground.
@@scooterboy3676 Why would you say that?
@@QZigZagg LOL He should be buried treasure... Its a joke, a bad one. The fact that you didn't get it made it funny for me. Quite the opposite though, Mike is not burying his treasure, he is using youtube to multiply it, as the bible commands us to do.
@@jxslayz6663 Ohh, I get it lol... it totally went over my head. Like “buried treasure”...
I am an ex new ager please run from any fellowship that teaches we are little gods doctrine. I agree with your answer brother Mike.
I'm also an ex new ager. I wholly agree.
I third and am ex-WoF/NAR
This is amazing testimony to hear! For me it seems impossible to reach out to some of my friends who have gone new-age
Pastor Mike Winger:
"We wanted it so badly, that we forgot to check, if it is true."
🤗🤗🤗 Genious!!!
Thank and God bless you, truly man of God.
I really respect the fact that you always always always consider what you don't know. And you said repeatedly that you "didn't want to overstep your knowledge". If more pastors did that, there would be a lot less confusion on basic understandings of Christianity. As well as new believers should always be aware of how much it actually requires to have an adequate understanding. For the sake of not causing confusion out of our own ignorance! Thanks a lot Mike! It's very refreshing, and also encouraging in the sense that we should not rush to gain understanding, but we should be diligent as you are encouraging through your example.
Only saw the title... But my immediate response was: Protect the innocent, punish the guilty. _Am I close?_
What about miscarriages of justice. Doesn't the death penalty result in some innocent people being killed as well?
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Perhaps... But if you follow biblical mandates (which I believe require 2 or more eyewitnesses ,if I recall correctly), that would be extremely-extremely rare, though if it did occur, also tragic. While today, we slaughter the innocent by the millions. _The solution?_
@@jessebryant9233 so in reality the death penalty would be rarely enacted as usually murder convictions are based on confessions or forensic evidence so wouldn't meet the standard for biblical proof. What would you do in these cases let the person go or give them a normal prison sentence? I certainly don't think it would be good to let them off, at least some of the OT laws are surely concessions to bronze age culture not laws that we should try to replicate in the 21st century.
I also don't think I see the same trade off as you as I don't believe it is necessary to have a death penalty in order to be against abortion. I also note that neither Republicans or Democrats have generally done very much to reduce the level of abortions and even selecting conservative judges to the supreme court does not seem to do much to change Roe vs Wade as conservative judges seems to be so big on precedent and the constitution they don't tend to counternance radical change...m..although both Republican local policies of making access to abortions more difficult and Democrat local policies of providing more economic support to poor single mums and providing easier access to contraceptives have both proved effective in reducing abortions in certain local areas where this has been a real focus.
funny human As it is, the death penalty IS rare. I agree, though, with Mike and others, our system is terrible. There’s unbelievable levels of corruption all throughout. As you stated, even judges aren’t necessarily interpreting the law according to constitution (as the SCOTUS is supposed to) but according to precedent. I’ve had decision by one judge can affect law for a very long time. That’s not even getting into how the system can be bent according to ones resources to bend it. But at the same time, sometimes access to money can be a hindrance, especially in cases where a wealthy defendant is judged by a jury who, depending on personal bias, may see them as guilty BECAUSE they’re wealthy. It’s an odd thing. Almost like it’s schaudenfreude. I’d say most often wealth works in ones favor. But there are those cases it does the opposite. Overwhelmingly I’d say, the poor are probably the most likely to be harmed in a system such as ours. Perhaps the answer is to have lawyers as public servants, where there is no opportunity for wealth to be a factor. At the same time, I suppose, that still introduces the opportunity for corruption in the form of bribes, etc. In short, no human justice system will ever compare to the righteousness of God’s justice. Mistakes can and will happen. It is those times that we stay strong in our assurance that first, God is allowing for an “innocent” (though none are truly innocent) to be punished for His reasons, and second, that Gods justice will always prevail in the end. Everything happens for a reason, whether because God allows it or causes it. As for us, we do our best by following His commands.
Funny, I have recently been involved in RUclips arguments over a case in South Africa, where a young man was convicted of murdering his mom, dad and brother and attempted murder if his sister. After combing through the details of the case, I have come to strongly believe he is innocent of the crime. However, the absolute hate I’ve received for daring to defend this view , and expressing compassion for this “murderer” (including offering my prayers for him) has truly brought home for me the fact that there’s not really anything that divides “us” from “murderers”. We are all sinful and wicked. It really struck me how so many people seemed GLEEFUL at the thought of his suffering. How many comments of people wishing horrible things on him. It was honestly quite jarring. And I realized, I have been the same in the past. Believing myself righteous in my surety of my judgement of others. It truly brought into sharp focus the Bible’s pleas to remember the prisoners, that even they are worthy of compassion. Hard to do in practice. But it was a real eye opener to me on the nature of humans and what true Christ-like compassion really is. Puts the justice system into a different light. And seems even more problematic now than ever. But again, no real good solutions, so I ultimately remember that this life is so short, so fleeting. That really, there’s no good option other than placing your faith and trust in Gods mercy and justice.
Emmaline says: "... That really, there’s no good option other than placing your faith and trust in Gods mercy and justice." - True dat! The Ultimate Judge who is infinitely just is our greatest concern and our only hope! Amen!
Hi Mike, a sister from the Netherlands here. So not only people from Belgium but also the neighbor is listening to your sermons and teachings, God bless your work and your family. Thank you very much and keep on going and smiling. Love your humor. God bless you brother!
We all need to remember as viewers that Mike is not infallible, just like every other preacher and teacher. The value in this channel is that Mike is so good at basing his views on the Bible. Other people might know more about specific issues and it seems to me that Mike is willing to listen to what other people have to say.
Thank you for clarifying how one can be pro-life and pro-death penalty...a baby is not a murderer and a convicted murderer is not innocent...God bless you
What about convicted murderers who are innocent? The justice system doesn't always return the right verdict.
@@gareth2736 thank you, human judgment is not perfect, and assuming it is lead to mistakes and killing of innocents. No margin of error is acceptable with choice to take a human life
God gave us the standard by which the margin of error can be dealt with effectively. See Deuteronomy 19:15: "A single witness shall not suffice against a person for any crime or for any wrong in connection with any offense that he has committed. Only on the evidence of two witnesses or of three witnesses shall a charge be established." Corroboration is critical! I once had a prosecutor ask me as a potential juror whether I would accept the word of a solitary witness who had a very compelling testimony. I said that I would still require corroboration of some kind, and in the next round, that prosecutor used their option to eliminate me from the jury pool. But even Jesus required corroboration for his own claims ("If I speak on my own, my testimony is invalid”). God is truth, and because God is a Trinity, we know that truth requires multiple persons. We need to get back to the divine standard of evidence grounded in the self-corroborating nature of the triune Godhead!
I agree with you completely about abortion and death penalty.
Hey Mike, thanks for everything. I know you put a lot of work into everything you do. Respect.
Pastor Mike, you nailed this topic, thank you for your thoughts!
We have a direct command in scripture NOT to stop meeting with each other. In my opinion that is a call for disobedience to a government that forbids churches meeting.
Hi, Mike. In the first 3 minutes there were more than 70 questions submitted. This is amazing to me! I think you might need to 1) do this more often, 2) extend to 40+ q's per session or 3) clone yourself. lol
I'm thrilled to see your site grow and that others are becoming more aware that you give good - biblically sound - thoughtfull answers to our questions!!
Hey Mike... I’ve been going through all your 20 question videos. I love them.
We first saw you, I believe, on the documentary “an American gospel.”
I’m totally with you on Abortion, I’m completely 100% pro life; however, I’m also anti death penalty. Basically for the reasons that Christ was crucified. People are flawed, and so is our judgement, so to make a judgment on a person by evidence (not absolute proof), isn’t good enough, for it may be an innocent man.
You’ll probably never see this, but thank you for your insight to Christianity and your teachings.
@moosechuckle Do you accept video evidence? Do you accept DNA evidence? Do you accept confessions that include factual details of their crimes known only to the authorities?
I’m really excited about The Passion Project!
Thank you again for the Q&A most specially for those timestamps! God bless you!
How can people not see that the criminal is guilty of murder and the child is inconvenient and unwanted. Smh.....
Mike, the world is insane.
Great video! Thank you Ps Mike for sharing your knowledge with us 🙌🏽
There is life. Life in Jesus.
Regarding the Genesis question, I appreciate that you admit to not landing on a biblical conclusion. Here's what helped me land on the literal 7 days side of the discussion: Exodus 20:11. There are other reasons, but other scripture passages are my best source for interpreting scriptures I don't know how to interpret. God bless you brother!
Yes agreed wholeheartedly!
Thanks pastor Mike! You answered how someone can be against abortion and be For the death penalty. I like hear people's different views. They might come up with ideas that I didn't think of.
Amen trust God All, be confident in Christ who Made us, Called us, Saved us and Keeps us, glory.
Romans 8:38 🙌🛡
Mark 16:15
1 Corinthians 15
Re: pro-life - I can't believe you actually need to explain this.
Seriously
Thank you for speaking the entire truth! And for also encouraging common sense.
I haven’t watched it yet. I intend to because I really love this channel and I think Mike does a great job addressing any question. My comment is just a response to the title… I don’t see how there is a real case to be made that being in favor of protecting the right to life of a growing baby inside a womb means I can’t also believe that a penalty of death is appropriate for certain crimes. On the one hand, an innocent human life created through the choices of 2 other people, entirely dependent on its mother for sustenance and protection. It has no agency whatsoever to affect its own life or fate, but it is created in the image of God and is a person Jesus died on the cross to save. On the other hand we have crimes grave enough to carry the gravest consequence - death - and adults who have the agency to CHOOSE to perpetrate those crimes, even though the established penalty is death. 🤔
God isn’t anti-death. He is just, He is loving, He is merciful... many many many other things as well... and He has ordained that sin has consequences. Romans 6:23 - “the penalty of sin is death.”
2:17: “your morals are inside out and upside down.” Well said. Difficult to reason with such people. Emotions based vs. Scripture based. They’re totally bought into the narrative of the world. Their ladders are leaning against the wrong tree.
And for those that are innocent and falsely convicted and then put to death? Pro death penalty advocates are literally voting to kill an innocent person.
thank you
Your introduction was enough i agree with you amen
The Passion Project is moving forward? YAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!
Amen! 🙌
With regard to the question about old testament jews being born again, I think the closest we have to an answer is in Hebrews 11:39-40 "These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect." (NIV) Christ died for them too.
Thanks for pointing out this passage
Thanks for your helpful answers Pr. Mike! I just want to say that there is a work of the Holy .But in Israel now with the "Messianic Jews". Not very widespread yet, but genuine.
If Adam didn't introduce death into the world as a result of sin Jesus can't remove it.
RUSLAN is doing a live talking about you. You are one of his favorite teachers. You should do a dialogue with him.
Love from India ❤️
Yes I agree with you 100 percent
About the 144,000 compare Rev 6:8 and the introduction of the 144,000 in Rev 7 with Ezekiel 14:21-23. A lot of parallels there, ending with a statement that because of this group of people coming out of Jerusalem we will know that God has not done without cause all the tribulations that have happened.
I see mate, good point there
Great video
The contradiction isn't found in the one who says let innocent babies live and put to death those guilty of murder. It is found in those who say how dare you promote the death penalty for murderers but defend the killing of innocent babies in abortion. It IS the pro-life position to be against abortion and for capital punishment.
Big difference in killing a innocent baby and ending the life of a grow adult who consciously made a decision that had horrific results that affected others.
Milk, just heard you answering a question about the 144,000 to someone on this video. I’d recommend listening to Joel Richardson. I found his videos very insightful and sound in his teachings. He has a series that is up to #21 IIRC and still continuing to walk through the book of Revelation. God bless! Enjoy watching your videos with my husband.❤️🙏
1:07:39 Mike,
I have a book called The Eight Kingdoms and I believe it shows conclusively that the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven are different. And when you realize that they are different it will really change how you look at Scripture. A simple example is the sheep and goat judgments are a part of the kingdom of heaven and that will happen during the thousand year reign of Christ and has nothing to do with the church. I would love to get this book in your hands.
For Kingdom of God vs Kingdom of Heaven- my perspective has been that Kingdom of Heaven is used throughout Matthew, which is the gospel to the Jews. I thought that was used because of their reverence for the name of God and thus relatable for them
Ohh I can’t wait for mike to do a study on revelation in the future eschatology is so confusing with all these different views pre, mil , futurist etc it would be nice to see mikes view and break it down
You crack me up, Mike! I feel like your patience for non sense dwindles more every day haha. You’re still extremely gracious, of course, but your murderous baby comment had me rolling!
Excellent. The moral position regarding capital punishment and abortion is unambiguous. That Christians are so confused on the issue shows that they are listening to the world, not to scripture.
Hi Mike ,
How does a parent/ grandparent handle the statement "We want our children to makeup their own minds ,without allowing me or exposing them to Christian friend s and church any more ; leaving me a vague ultimatum if I want to continue to be a part of their life . I almost collapsed but withdrew to keep my breath , my composure , my heart ♡♡♡ . Each time I bring up a "blessing " or a prayer , etc . I'm gently reminded "not everyone feels the same way you do Mom so ,you need to leave it alone " . Some advice . I pray ,I feel safe in his presence but, I get lost in this quick . Their my children .
Please Please Pastor can you do teaching on Shekhinah clouds and fire in old and new testament thank you thank you GBY love all your work
I feel like I have been searching for God for 50 years. I live a Christian life, but I cannot feel His love. And then I hear that God "found" someone whilst they were living in their basement smoking pot! God FOUND them, but he hasn't found me. Are there some people that God just doesn't want?
God’s disposition is not one of rejection. He doesn’t turn away those who come to him. Living a Christian life can’t save you, but feelings can also lie. Just because you don’t feel Christian doesn’t mean you’re not. If you’ve repented; turned away from sin, and fallen on the mercy of the God described in the Bible, then God by no means will cast you out (John 6:37). Though feelings can be a blessing, they can lie. If you’ve left sin (not that you never sin) and come to the Father through Christ, trust his love for you and mercy and not your feelings (we aren’t Jedi).
“Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth. By this we shall know that we are of the truth and reassure our heart before him; for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything” (1 John 3:18-20).
I take the YEC view for a few reasons, but as for the day/yom thing, it does say "the Sixth Day" and "the Seventh Day" while all the previous days are like "a first day"/"day one" (either translation work). I don't know why God said it that way, but I know that day 6 and 7 are "the" 6th and 7th days of the Creation specifically because the text says they are.
Also as a YEC I can still take the extremely valuable historical contextual information of the Ancient Near Eastern scholarship and what they say about the text without abandoning the view that the text is still describing the Creation of the relatively Young Earth. I have shifted, since learning about the ANE context, to knowing that the emphasis and focus of Genesis 1 (and what the Body of Messiah should be focusing on) is actually on God making Creation His Temple instead of just Him telling us how He formed Universe in the Beginning.
Thank you for your work! I've gotten this question from many people. Now, I feel better equipped to have this discussion now I'm not sure what kind of mental gymnastics some people have to do to even compare the death of an infant to the death of an adult who made stupid choices which landed them on death row. smh
Two reasons why I would say I definitely lean towards them being actually day are the wording of the evening and the morning where the number day in that format is every day said and it says I Genesis 5:2-5 where it talks about Adom's death really show it couldn't be 1000 years is a day concept of creation, but I do believe the earth was completely created by God but that it was created longer than creation because of Genesis 1:2 i am curious on your feedback I really appreciate and respect your work
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Animal death before the Fall makes no sense to me when I read Romans 8;18-22 sometimes people try to absorb ideas of other Christian believers because they like them rather than sticking to the actual Bible I think the argument from silence is very weak and wouldn’t be accepted in other situations so it doesn’t make sense why it would be relied upon here
One thing to remember is that the biblical definition of life is different than our modern scientific definition.
Modern science considers plants alive. God says that the life is in the blood, so when he refers to life, we need to read it with his definition. As I understand it, that would include humans and animals. Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:11
I've always been torn on what I believe regarding the death penalty
The woman caught in adultry, John 7:53-8:11. Adultry carried the death penalty, and there is no denying that.
Jesus showed her Mercy, and so why should we not show Mercy to murders? Why should we continue stoning people?
Adulterers should be stoned. Life would be much better, and feminism wouldn't exist.
According to the Mosaic law, both the man and the woman caught in adultery were to be stoned. The Pharisees only brought the woman, seeking to trap Jesus. Thus, they were already acting illegally by not having both parties in the adultery present.
@@8thdayadventist911 why didn't Jesus stone the woman?
@@diarradunlap9337 correct. But why didn't Jesus stone her then? Because mercy. So why are you believing in mercy, and yet saying no mercy for murders? King David was a murders. Moses was a murder, if God can show a murders mercy why can't you? Why do you think it's preferable to just kill them?
@@evanpedri Well, that part of John 12, has been pretty much disputed by scholars as not being an actual part of the gospel. It says so in almost every modern translation you read.
It might have happened, but since we aren't completely sure, it would better to not focus our theology and teaching around that event in John 12.
A murderer takes the life of someone unjustly, so therefore the payment for such evil is his own. It's justice. Love includes being fair and just.
Mike, For your answer for question #12 you say that a wicked desire is United with our will and that is what equals the conception of sin.... so would it be correct to say that your evil desire that is United with your will = a choice to do that sin. So to know that the conception has taken place, you would have made the decision in your heart before the sin has taken place and you have already sinned at that point?
Is that what Jesus is talking about when he says that if you lust in your heat you have already committed adultery? Or committed murder by angry in your heart?
Thank you for your ministry! You have greatly blessed me! Yes
As a born and raised pentecostal christian ... I often see people being very unbiblical with tongs and it's difficult to figure out how to confront that with out offending them. Mainly i think most of the people that do that come from a place of ignorance on what scripture says about it
Without capital punishment life is not valued.
If Jesus can die for our Sins, then murders should have to carry their cross and die for their own
Exactly!
When the hen submits to the rooster, you get a fertile egg. (Yes, I raise chickens.)
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@Mike Winger Regarding the creation account in Genesis, I recommend the movie/documentary Genesis Paradise Lost. There might be good arguments for a "young earth". :) I haven't studied this yet, but the arguments were interesting, at least for me! 😁
😂😂😂 47:20 is gold! I don’t know how he didn’t even smirk 🤣
I love that you admitted that football is nerdy.
There is no issue with holding these two beliefs. Abrortion ends a faultless, potential life while the death penalty ends the life of a murderer and usually a very dangerous one. However, being pro choice and anti death penalty is irrational. How can you be okay with ending a faultless life but not that of a dangerous murder?
Bc the death penalty inevitably kills innocent people. People who are pro death penalty are in fact pro killing innocent people
@@tookie36 Baby's aren't innocent?
@@CynHicks Okay so you agree it’s okay to murder innocent people ?
@@tookie36 Read closely; the world is not black and white, this or that. You do not have to before one thing if you are for another. My question was how can a person be pro-choice and against the death penalty. Your answer was that innocent people have been executed. I asked if babies were not innocent and you can't answer. This is the problem with so many; you have never actually thought about your beliefs. If you have you certainly aren't representing them well here.
I am not for the death penalty and I am not pro-choice. However, even if I were for the death penalty it would not be an inconsistent belief. In the U.S. today the standards of evidence required before a death penalty is given makes it astronomically unlikely that an innocent person will be executed. While being pro-choice absolutely means you are okay with taking innocent life.*
So, will you answer question or keep dodging? Are babies innocent?
Edit - *My reasons for being against the death penalty is that there is a very tiny likleyhood a not guilty person will be executed and I don't want that blood on my hands. Also, I don't like the idea of the state having such power over life.
@@tookie36 Also Mason, a friendly word of advice; everyone that disagrees with you is not your enemy. Having intellectually honest conversations and debates is a sign of maturity and good will. The tactic you attempted to employ does no good for anyone. It is dishonest, it is lazy and inevitably makes you look silly.
I'm interested to hear your views on both these things. Right now, I'm not for the death penalty. Personally I don't think its for me to decide who loves or dies but if a court rules it so for a heinous crime, I don't object because the justice system also has authority to make those decisions.
I was conservative about abortion but not so sure any more due to conversations with my mom. As a medical procedure there really may be strong reasons to end a pregnancy. If the mother might die or a child being raped or an unviable fetus. So Im still not generally for it but I also think there are some circumstances where it depends. No case is ever going to be the same. But I've been wanted to hear more about the Biblical responses to this issue. I know God is THE authority not my views.
Pastor Mike, Can a Christian protest against government corruption, Capitalism, extra-judicial killing, lying on Media, deforestation and all the other issues? I am serious of this question. I hope you answer this....
I’m not Pastor Mike, but I can point you to a couple of Bible passages. To answer your question, it really depends on what you mean by protest. If it involves disrespecting or failing to submit to the government, then no a Christian may not (Romans 13:1-7, 1 Peter 2:13-17).
@@levifox2818 thank you sir... im pointing to government officail that is corrupt and ignoring the real issue of society like commodities and necesities
@@levifox2818 Except there is a time when it is appropriate to stand up to a tyrannical government. For example, Hitler's Nazi Germany. Many "good" people closed their eyes and minds to the atrocities that were happening. I don't believe it would have been wrong to oppose that government.
You can believe however you want as far as the death penalty is concerned. Personally, I’m pro life all around. Not that the death penalty isn’t deserved in certain heinous circumstances but what concerns me is that there have been many wrongly accused. I would need a solid, on camera, 3 or more witnesses before I’d be comfortable taking a life.
Hello! Very grateful for all that you do here! It has helped me, and our family, more than you'll know! I was wondering, with regards to tongues... our denomination believes that the first evidence of baptism in the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues, and they believe this becomes your personal "prayer language" that is one that can sound like just gibberish but is a prayer language btwn you and God through the Holy Spirit. I believe they say it is a requirement to be considered for the board of elders. I don't know but I dont see where the Bible teaches to have a prayer language. Can you shed light on this topic sometime? Thanks so much!
Hi Mike. About Kingdom of God/Kingdom of heaven.
I read somewhere that devout Jews often used "Kingdom of heaven" meaning exactly the same Kingdom of God. Maybe as in the Daniel 4:, when King Nebuchadnezzar discovered that "Heaven rules". In verses 25-26 it says first that the "Most High" (+ God) rules, then that Heaven rules. So, as you said, it seems the terms are interchangeable.
Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” For our sins we deserve hell. But since Jesus came to this earth as a free gift out of God’s amazing love to pay for our sins and take the punishment we deserved we can be saved. We accept this gift with our genuine faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8-9)
# 16 the Sabbath
Isaiah 58:13 (KJV)
If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:
Old habits are hard to break .
Speaking of my own weakness.
I guess I just wonder if we're denying them a chance to repent
Is it not that the author in Matthew was writing was holding to a Jewish tradition of not wanting to say the name of G-d, for fear of using it inappropriately. So Kingdom of Heaven was used instead. Their meaning is the same it just comes down to a cultural custom.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" This is what Jesus told the woman who was about to face "death penalty " for adultery. If murder is wrong, it's wrong no matter who carries it out. "Judge not that ye may not be judged". These are the teachings of the Christ we say we are following.
Killing somebody for killing is a "tooth for a tooth and an "eye for an eye" law. Jesus in Matthew 5:38-39 has set a new standard for his followers.
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Absolutely right.
Thanks you.
People just quote scripture out of context.
Very disturbing.
Pick and choose instead of studying and learning.
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The woman caught in adultery was added later, it was not in the original text so there is no reason to think Jesus actually said it.
Besides, even if the text is accurate it means Jesus stopped an angry mob from killing a woman without a trial. That doesn't mean anything for capitol punishment.
The Bible says murderers deserve the death penalty and God has given the government the authority to carry out that sentence.
I've considered the sin leading to death as being the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
@Mike Winger, if you see this, check out John Lennox's, "Seven Days that Divide the World." It's a fairly short book that goes into the sorts of things Genesis 1 & 2 day vs what they don't say. In writing it, because He isn't a Hebrew scholar, he did talk with multiple Hebrew scholars, as you should never base anything off of what a single person says. Anyway, it's an interesting read.
you can read all over the bible that God is the one who holds the power to life and death. we dont have that power, how can you decide if someone deserves to be killed? you can't that is not our job, our job is to show mercy, love, patience to that person, first of all because you dont know, maybe they will turn to Christ later in life, but also because we are called to love people, how can you say you love someone but then take out of them the posibility of being saved? that for me is moral insanity. Matthew 5:38-48
I am a believer, but I cannot speak in tongues. I need interpretation as well. To me, if I would see this in Church, I would think they are either mentally unstable or possessed, and I would no longer attend that church because I need to protect myself as a Christian from something that would cause me to stumble and fall.
I would like to introduce an alternative position: Pro-life in all cases from conception to natural death. Abortion is murder and I believe all Christians believe this but what about capital punishment?
Abortion is defined as an intrinsic evil; that is, there is never a reason for it. The death penalty, while extreme, is not an intrinsic evil. With that said, I oppose it for the following reason: Even a murderer needs their entire life to repent. They can be forgiven if they repent and there’s also the possibility of wrongful conviction.
Therefore I believe murderers should spend life in prison. The effect is the same - the inmate dies in prison - but on a date set by God not set by the state.
Hi mike, this is just a comment on your second to last question on Kingdom of God vs Kingdom of Heaven. I can’t remember who I heard it from but I remember the answer being given to me was that Israel would say kingdom of heaven because the name of God was holy and unspeakable. To the gentile or later Jew, however, it was more acceptable to speak Gods name on a personal basis. Once again, can’t remember where I heard this but maybe you can find out if that is a valid stance. Thank you for your ministry!
Kingdom of heaven appears 32 times all in Matthew. I think that is significant. Matthews audience seems to have been predominantly Jewish. The introduction to Matthew in my study Bible says the evidence of this is-matthews title for Jesus as “son of David”, the lack of explanation regarding Jewish customs as they would have already understood them, the books bridging of OT and the fulfillment of the awaited messiah. I fully admit I’m no expert and like you said in your video, my mind is subject to change upon reliable biblical evidence but as of right now this would seem like a reasonable answer.
Matthew 5:38-48
Did you say that you had a second channel dedicated to encouraging other Christians to start a channel? What is your other channel? I'm planning to create content soon and I'd love to subscribe!
Seems to me, He says those who know Him do not continue in sin. I'm thinking the sin unto death could be that sin you are not willing to give up.
John is talking about suicide.
@@8thdayadventist911 how do you come to that?
The major difference between a baby in the womb and a criminal on death row is innocence. The baby has done nothing to justify death. The murderer very much has done something to justify death. It makes no sense to even equate the two.
Mike you aren’t supposed to do your delights on the sabbath, that’s a day you set aside from all labor and delights for God. So no you don’t read comics on the sabbath. But I agree on what you said about video games and things and it’s kind of a problem that I’m having to fix, a lot of games I play have violence and unholy things like cursing and I’m just struggling to cut out everything that has a swear a word in it, it’s very hard to avoid. :/
I love your teachings. I listen to you almost every day. But you and I have to agree to disagree on the death penalty. If you need my reason, okay we simply don't use biblical principles to convict them and people get the death penalty who are innocent sometimes. We are killing people because we THINK or are almost completely sure they did it. But we didn't see it.
For someone to try and make a connection between innocent babies and criminals shows they are not arguing in good faith.
I think it is in the best faith as the connection is clear. Both are living beings with souls and emotions. It should be up to God to judge them not man.
@@alexanderblanchette9477 comparing a baby to a murderer is in "the best faith" lmao. Sure buddy
Alexander Blanchette So, throw out our entire justice system?
@@John-vj6ss Not at all, sorry if it came across that way! No I'm simply saying that taking a human life should not be in the authority of a flawed human justice system, as I will inevitably lead to the loss of innocent lives. Not to mention a lifetime in prison, for a truly guilty person, is a lifetime to repent.
Thank you so much for doing this!! I was wondering how we can submit a question for future Q&A?
The description has the instructions.
The Q&A livestreams are usually on Friday 1:00 pm California time (4:00 pm for me in Ohio).
The rules are:
- Show up during the livestream.
- Questions aren’t taken until Pastor Mike Winger starts the livestream (i.e. you see the video) usually 5 or so minutes after the posted start time.
- Use a ‘Q’ at the beginning so they know it’s a question. “Q: Do you think...?” or whatever your question is.
- The RUclips live chat has a character limit (I don’t remember precisely what it is), so keep the question short.
I recommend writing the question in the live chat before the start time (so you have it prepared and know it meets the character limit), but don’t send it until you see the live stream start. Once you see the livestream start, immediately send the question (the 20 questions limit is filled very quickly, like in the first couple seconds).
I hope this helps.
@@levifox2818 awesome! Thank you so much for the info I really appreciate it!
I havent twsted this, but Kingdom of God vs Kingdom of Heaven may justbhave to do with the context of the usage. For example, when speaking of the object as having originated in God, it makes sense to say kingdom of God. When speaking of the destination or the locational relation of the object, kingdom of heaven makes sense. In other words, I can say I am my father's son, and I can say I dwell in Florida, and they are both true descriptors that make sense to use in different contexts. I can be part of the kingodm of God in fraternity, and I can be part of the Kingfom of Heaven by destination
How can we as christians support the death penalty?! If we are saved, we know that we are just as evil as the murderor, if not worse.
The Bible says that we commit murder in our heart whenever we hate, and for those who are not saved, they will bare the punishement for that on judgement day, not here on earth.
I get it that the Bible says that governaments don't have the sword in vain, but i don't see how that applies to the death penalty. And the old testament supports the death penalty but that is the old covenant, just like stoning people etc...
Killing someone is always wrong, no matter what the circumstances are.
You need to watch the video he explains fully using the bible
Could you tell me the minuite he talks about it please. Thank you
Well, no, there is such a thing as 'worse' sins. Not with respect to atonement; all sin warrants death. But with respect to penalties that God himself required/requires, yes, some sins are worse than others. Its a very basic legal and societal principle that a more serious sin/crime requires a greater punishment. Death for murder actually affirms the ultimate value of life, since death is the ultimate punishment. Those who oppose the death penalty unwittingly devalue life.
You mention Christ's words on hatred being murder in the heart, but you don't show how this is at all the same as physical murder, and then how this somehow (magically, if I'm honest) means the death penalty is wrong and abrogated.
Ironically, the passage on the state bearing the sword was stated by Paul, in the New Covenant. He never condemns the death penalty, despite having numerous opportunities to (he never tires from condemning the world of its sins).
Finally, that killing is always wrong no matter what is, if I may be honest, chief Biblical ignorance. Nowhere is this idea ever even implied in the Bible, Old or New Testament. You are reading an erroneous seamless garment, post-enlightenment theology into the Word of God.
@@TheOtherPaul as you said we deserve the death penalty for ALL sin: so how can we say "the murderor can be killed but not me"?
For the sake of society's safety the murderor can just as easily rot in jail, but to kill him would be wrong as we (deserving of the same punishement) are not justified to kill someone who is just like us. Who are we to do vengeance on our own?
Vengeance belongs to the Lord.
It would be right for us to do it if it was ordered to us by God, but it is not. As i already mentioned, God does say in the old testament to give the death penalty to murderors, but the same goes for homosexuals. The old covenant required they be punished too.
But Christ gave us a new covenant to obey, and nowhere in the new testament have i seen a verse that supports killing anyone, under any circumstance.
Feel bad for all the folks who were actually innocent and got executed.
I think more so the question is if women abort their babies shouldn’t those women get the death penalty because they’re murdering babies?
Anyone who sees a conflict between these two...should NEVER reproduce ....
By that logic how can you be pro-anti death penalty and pro-choice? That wouldn’t make sense.
While there is biblical teaching about the death penalty the problem is that the system within which it operates in our world is profoundly unfair. There has been many people who were executed for crimes they did not commit, let alone those who were driven into a criminal lifestyle because of the structural injustice that exists in the country. As a pro-life person I find it difficult to understand the lack of mercy for those who our unjust justice system chooses to kill. Other countries put people in prison for life. Isn’t this better? Imagine the decision was about a loved one.
I do belive in Romans it states we are to follow the current governments authority. They weild the sword, it's not up to us to judge the penalty. We as Christians already know certain acts do deserve death. It's not up to you to say it's unfair what God has placed as authority. Follow Christ.
@@souzajustin19d this would make it unbiblical to challenge unfair government practices or human rights abuses. Just because there is biblical grounds for a death penalty does not mean that we have no role in challenging unfair practices even by government.
@@marymasthe1st324 That is correct, as Jesus was sentenced to death by his own government, and every Apostle was sentenced to death by their governments. None challenged the authorities, they accepted their fate right or wrong to the death. No one said carrying the cross is an easy task, it's a sacrifice of your self to the will of God. When Peter said you must not go, you must not die, or when drew the sword to deffend Christ.. Christ responded to him as Satan and those who live by the sword die by the sword. The Prophet Elijah refused to bow to the false idol, but was ready to be burnt alive and die for his crime. The Prophet Daniel, who refused to stop praying went to the dungeon with lions, ready to die.
@@souzajustin19d Firstly, Jesus came to die. The government did not take His life. Jesus laid it down for us. So this is totally different.
My question is did Paul sin when he refused to renounce his faith? He disobeyed the government, right?
@@marymasthe1st324 Paul did not sin, the same as Daniel did not sin. They both refused, and both accepted their crimes and punishment. Jesus refused, but accepted his crime the same way. It's a reaccuring thing, accept the governments laws, hold God's law above it, but accept the punishment to show your respect and responsibility.