The most on-brand way to distinguish between Iqlic and English is to not distinguish between them at all while still pretending that you're being perfectly clear.
Terminology proposal: A "xiqlang" (pronounced "thinglang") is a conlang whose orthography insists on using all 26 letters of the English alphabet regardless of how little sense it makes.
Clearly the only system for writing English is whatever random shapes the romans pulled out of the Greek's waste bin. And for the love of god let's make sure to spell /tʃ/ as anything other than ch, because we can't make things too easy.
It’s so weird, he’s American right? It’s strange how he seems not to realize that the “i” in ice (the way I and a lot of Americans pronounce it) is a dipthong of the “o” sound in bot and the “ee” sound in knee (the way I pronounce them), not a dipthong of schwa (the “a” sound at the end of comma, the way I pronounce it, written with a u in Iqlic) and the aforementioned “ee” sound in knee. That’s what makes it sound like an Irish accent, because Misali is pronouncing it as specified rather than inferring that Jack just couldn’t figure out what dipthong “i” saying it’s name like in “ice” is (the way I and many Americans pronounce it, at least).
@@masicbemester Vötgil, you're feeling stronger Vötgil, no more feeling bad Vötgil, your eyes are shining Vötgil, you are the Eisenman Vötgil, wipes away your tears Vötgil, removes your fears Vötgil, everyone is gorgeous Vötgil, yeah vötgil!
Very much not the only conlang to use for /ŋ/. Ro, Ceqli and Wjerih Sarak are three great examples of the same thing. Plus some languages I'm planning. Plus a spelling reform of English I did when I was 14/15.
@Rede Emitel The only one I've found so far was Fijian for [ŋg], but I swore I saw a North American language that used it on Omniglot. (I know, not the be all end all source, but whatev). Doesn't make it any less ugly, btw
I use q for a glottal stop in my conlang’s official romanization. (The actual script, a featural abugida, is yet to be developed so all documentation is in the romanization.)
Funny enough, that list of "words that end with u" basically made me immediately go "antenu is definitely antenna" and everything followed from there so it was pretty clear to me. But that was solely on the basis of "antenu" being obvious, if the list had started with any other word i probably would have had problems.
I had a similar reaction when I got down in the list to "sodu" and "umbrellu" and the penny dropped. Except... now I'm looking at the list again in order to write this comment, and taking a closer look... Is "uydyu" supposed to be "idea"?
@@mrphlip it is, misali showed the answers in the video. It’s weird because it makes it seem like Jack has an Irish accent. He’s American right? For some reason he didn’t realize that (in his writing system), the dipthong for the “i” in ice (and the dipthong in buy, and at the start of idea) should be written “oy”, not “uy”… unless he wants it to sound like Irish English/early modern period English
I love your conlang critic videos! I can't wait for the next episode, and I liked this as a summary and goodbye to Jack Eisermann's work. You're funny, fair, and interesting with them.
I initially left a comment like: "okay man, like, we get it; he's bad at making conlangs. This is starting to seem kinda mean. Like making fun of the slow kid's bad art or something." But then I watched the last 1 minute of the review. Glad to see you acknowledge it and offer a little perspective. Keep up the excellent work.
i last watched one of your conlang videos a couple months ago and found them pretty interesting. now i've taken half a semester of a linguistics class and they are *so* much more interesting. thank you for these
@@bootmii98 Funny you should say that. I was an intro to linguistics TA in Vancouver in 2015, and the undergrads kept getting that question wrong because a lot of them have Canadian raising before voiced codas as well. It's spreading.
as a person who says (and hears most of the time) trap, father, bath and start all with the same vowel and Lot, cloth, thought and north all with the same vowel I am confused. I'm happy for you who can tell the difference between those!
@@Salsmachev I'm a native speaker for a language with only one "o" vowel and according to my english teachers I have "my own accent" if that helps you understand why I speak and hear the way that I do
@@mariasolenardelli3745 Ah that makes sense. I thought you were saying you were a native speaker with an accent that does that. If your first language has an a sound, it's probably closer to the sound of o in lot, cloth, and thought than the o sound.
Weird. My native language has only one O too and I recognized six vowels in the lexical set(if you consider long ah to be a vowel and include the diphtong). Trap and Bath are pronounced with an "eh" like sound. Start and North have r-coloured vowels, an r-coloured ah on start and an r-coloured oh on north. The "thought vowel" is a diphtong and it sounds the same as the O in flower. Father, cloth and lot all share the same vowel but the A in father is a long vowel, whereas the vowels in cloth and lot are short. I guess this is caused by me trying to imitate natural accents convincingly.
@@k.umquat8604 You're very perceptive in identifying subtly different phonemes. But thought and flower sound the same to you? I'm a native English speaker and I don't think there are any dialects where thought and flower are the same vowel. The "ow" in flower is the same as in down and cow, which I'm pretty sure is different from "thought" for every native English speaker. What's your original language?
I'm really glad you've decided not to cover any more eisenman conlangs. there comes a point where it just feels like punching down and your stuff has improved so much since those early days! I'm really excited to see what comes next, especially after watching the video you just posted a bit ago!
The vowel groupings were fun. It's so hard for me to imagine how to pronounce father, cloth, lot and thought with the same vowel. Trap, bath Start, father Lot, cloth Thought, north
I agree with using the latter, as the English "ch" is two consonant sounds combined, both of which are also individual sounds in English. I've even thought of making a ligature out of the letters, as well, as "ch" has an affricate consonant sound. For the former, I've thought of assigning the "kh" sound to it. It's barely used in English, nowadays, seeing most of its usage from the Scottish and Scouse accents, but this sound is sorely needed in English, especially with many words in English sporting the ever so annoyingly silent "gh". That brings me to my next point. As much as many like to think that spelling reform would be the solution to the problems with English spelling, there are also problems with that, as well, and the English language is too far gone to just warrant that. This is why I would advocate that there be a language reform for English, instead.
I love this series! I understand you probably won't get a chance to get around to it considering how many requests I'm sure you get, but I would love to see you review a Mark Rosenfelder language. While I know it's not his most well-known, my vote would be for Lé, but that's just because I happen to find that one particularly neat.
Partway through: "Descriptor" Me: !! (I use that for adjectives/adverbs as well, when describing my conlangs or sometimes even my notes while studying regular languages. It's handy, plus shorter and more obvious of meaning than "adjective".)
I just spent like 20 seconds attempting to pronounce the [ngg] consonant cluster at 6:10 exactly as written, i.e. with the n and g at different places of articulation and no vowels at all. Fun times. Edit: 10:43 - No, I actually didn't notice that, because using q for /ŋ/ and x for /θ/ is so bafflingly unintuitive that my brain shut down looking at what was on screen and didn't even attempt to read them as words.
oh wow this is.... something. I've been making an improved English called "eenglix", but it only slightly varies from real English. People are supposed to spell the words "how they pronounce them" and each letter has a few simple rules for what it says where. I have found spoken and written eenglix to be comprehensible to native English speakers. this makes for a good confidence booster because it makes me feel glad I didn't make my language too different from English.
English text: English is a West Germanic language in the Indo-European language family, whose speakers, called Anglophones, originated in early medieval England. The namesake of the language is the Angles, one of the ancient Germanic peoples that migrated to the island of Great Britain. English is the most spoken language in the world and the third-most spoken native language, after Mandarin Chinese and Spanish. It is also the most widely learned second language in the world, with more second-language speakers than native speakers. Eenglix (grammar changes only): English be West Germanic speak way from Indo-European speak way group. Us calls its speakers Anglophones. Them from early mideval Englind. Speak way’s namesake be Angles. Angles be ancient Germanic persons from Great Britain. English be speaked’est speak way on world. It and be threest natively speaked speak way. Onest be Mandarin Chinese and twost be Spanish. It and be learn wideliest on world. It and have manyer twost speakers then onest speakers. Eenglix: eenglix bee west jermeunik speekwey frum indo-yerupeein speekwey groop. ayz cauls it’s speekerz anglofonz. dthem frum erlee mideevol eenglind. speekwey’z neymseyk bee eyngolz. eyngolz bee eynshint germeunic persinz frum greyt britin. eenglix bee speek’d’ist speekwey an werold. it eund bee threest neytivlee speek’d speekwey. wunst bee meundurin tshayneez eund toost bee speunix. it eund bee lern waydlee’st on worold. it eund have meneeyer toost speekerz dthen wunst speekerz.
@@itsMeKvman y'know, it's funny cuz i've been working on the exact same thing for months. i'm still in the phase of doing research, but my goal seems to be aligned with yours. - first off, i still disagree that should be used for sh, because x is already used for ks, and sh already works. my own english (which is currently named "payper inglish") prioritizes making the language as similar to english as possible, for natives as well as non natives - - for /ej/ just isn't a gret choice, i kept reading it as /ɛw/ or /iw/.- apparently is for /æ/ which i think is terrible?? why? i personally think just using might be the most natural option. there's a giant wikipedia article called "english orthography" which lists english's quirks in vowel and consonant spelling, and is soooo helpful in coming up with my own orthography that's as natural as it can be. - i like how you changed "is am are" to all be "be", as i have done the exact same thing in inglish. - while the efforts to reduce vocab count is evident, i personally don't think it's great. you chose to split "language" into "speak way" which makes sense, but isn't too extremely natural (esp when not many languages do this), but then you kept "ancient" which undeniably could be replaced with "old". - "manyer" doesn't make sense... "more" is literally right there. - lastly... i don't know if you're considering non natives at all. vocab reduction is clear, but done in a sloppy way. phonotactics isn't considered at all as you chose to use "speek'd'ist" (which btw looks ugly imo). "onest" and "twost"... isn't good imo. maybe "first" and "number two" would be better alternatives, but i'm not sure why you wouldn't even go wih "oneth" and "twoth" in the first place. on top of all of that, consonant reduction hasn't been considered at all as you continue to use -/z/ and th sounds. i'm not sure about vowels. here's how i would translate it in my simplified english instead: (note that i haven't done much work in vocabulary, so i'm just pulling alot of stuff out of my butt) (grammar change only) english language be west-german language in indo-europe language group. name of speak er be anglophone. they did come from early medieval english country. name of language that did speak by them be angles. they be one of old german people that did come to english country english language be language that people speak most and native language that people speak number three most in world. mandarin language be number one and spain language be number two. english language also be learn most as number two language in world. there more number two language speak er than native speaker. (with spelling changes) inglish languaje bê west-jerman^ languaje in indoe-yûrope^ languaje groop. name of speek er be angloefone^. dey did come * from erli^ mêdeeval^ inglish cuntri^. name of languaje dat did speek bŷ them be angels^. dey be one * of old jerman^ peepol^ dat did come * from inglish cuntri^. inglish languaje bê languaje dat peepol^ speek most and naytiv^ languaje dat peepol^ speek number tree most in world^. mandarin^ languaje be number one * and spain^ languaje be number too. inglish languaje also bê lern most as number too languaje in world. dair more number too speek er than naytiv^ speek er. * intentionally irregular spelling, as respelling it makes it a bit too different ^ spelt on the fly for purpose of this reply; might not be in final project
@@paper2222 - yeah i forgot to replace x with sh that was how it was in old versions of this and i keep doing it - i didn't change the phonology at all. I want to slightly preserve the "snaky vibratey" aesthetic of English because I think its cool and interesting and sounds kind of different from other languages and gives English some of its personality. - what's wrong with "manyer"? - I used "eu" for the "a" in "and" because e makes the /e/ sound and u makes the /ʌ/ sound All other criticisms valid. You are insane to have been working on this for months and still be in the "research phase"
these videos are even more fun to watch when your native language isnt english (or iqglic) cause boy do I not understand a single sentence! Also Stör (pronounced with the "ör" like the "ear" in "search" and with "St" as "Sh-t-[ör]" is like. a fish in german and looking at it while someone claims its store or star is very confusing indeed
9:50 "Wow did you do that? Everyow I try it doesn't work, there's noow you managed to make it... Somen I'll figure it out by myself. Noch will stop me!!" Idk if it looks right but, I wanted to use them somewhe-... Somere.
I want to make a language that has one syllable units of meaning, but while preserving international appeal. How do I do it without lots of consonant clusters?
Every time I see one of these, it makes me want to make my own conlang, but I have no idea how much TIME it takes to create one, and I have no idea how or where to PUT the thing once I make it, or even how to format the information. I have a rough idea for one, and what the basic rules are for it, and I even have a fictional origin for the language in my head, but I don't know how much effort it even takes to do it justice to get it out of my head.
As someone using a pronunciation along the lines of RP, adapting to an American phonology, even with the merger, would be somewhat challenging. While I, and many others, an out on an “American accent”, dividing those sounds into groups like that is hardly something I could do on the fly, so I’d probably mispronounce quite a lot of words. I’d like to say that RP is easier for Americans of either pronunciation group to “impersonate”, but it’s probably somewhat similar. I’d much rather that any English-based conlang just adapt whatever pronunciation you use for English.
You know what, you have to respect what a good sport Jack Eisenmann is! He keeps talking to you, even though he must have actually watched the other two videos. Love this episode, though, I love it when you don't hold back.
English is an international auxlang made by a large community of contributors in 1550. Its source languages include French and Anglo-Saxon, but somehow its phonology is compatible with neither of those. Its orthography is extremely inconsistent due to how much its creators revised the pronunciation of words over the years but didn't bother to revise the spelling. And they straight up *dropped* a bunch of letters for some reason, and replaced them with pointless digraphs. In one case, they replaced their original letter "wynn" for the /w/ sound with a digraph which, kinda makes sense? It's "uu", which makes sense if you know Latin phonology and for no one else. And for some reason they just decided to smoosh the digraph together into one ugly letter, "w". Why? Why make a digraph if you're going to make it one letter anyway? All in all, this is why you don't let a massive community put together an auxlang with little to no curation. It's almost like someone tried to use a complicated natural creole as an auxlang and called it a day. Wait, oh yeah. Right.
Last night I had a nightmare: I was dreaming about having an exam at school. Our teacher would say to us "I thought, this time we make it a bit special and brought you something" She's holding a yellow book, bout 50 pages, with the title "Basic Grammar and Vocabulary of Zese". "You'll write your exam in Zese, using its script." So I had 150 Minutes to write a 600 Word Essay in a language I don't know. While struggling to understand Zese I woke up bathing in sweat with my heart racing.
The most on-brand way to distinguish between Iqlic and English is to not distinguish between them at all while still pretending that you're being perfectly clear.
“Ikglik”
@@tompatterson1548”duality”
@@tompatterson1548 Apparently ikglik means duality in some language over the rainbow
@@preacherofmusicit’s “Uzbek”
@@ender5312 Ahh, a central Asian language. Thank you ender
This language sounds like english, but if it had a concussion, drank too much, and had a heavy Irish/ Canadian accent, all at the same time.
Agreed wholeheartedly.
accent sounds closer to danish but my experience with scandinavian accents in general is limited @ best so idk.
So basically the way Portuguese sound to Spanish speakers.
Newfoundland
It really is like one of the older Newfoundland accents exactly lol
Terminology proposal: A "xiqlang" (pronounced "thinglang") is a conlang whose orthography insists on using all 26 letters of the English alphabet regardless of how little sense it makes.
Clearly the only system for writing English is whatever random shapes the romans pulled out of the Greek's waste bin. And for the love of god let's make sure to spell /tʃ/ as anything other than ch, because we can't make things too easy.
relex or in this case, bad cypher.
xinqlaq
@@samrichardson5971 no, it has to be inconsistent in spelling or we might figure out how to pronounce the "xiq" part on our own
xiqlaq
When your “English based” conlang ends up sounding like Irish you know the IRA has won
COME OUT YE BLACK AND TANS
I guess you meant Irish English, not Irish Gaelic
It’s so weird, he’s American right? It’s strange how he seems not to realize that the “i” in ice (the way I and a lot of Americans pronounce it) is a dipthong of the “o” sound in bot and the “ee” sound in knee (the way I pronounce them), not a dipthong of schwa (the “a” sound at the end of comma, the way I pronounce it, written with a u in Iqlic) and the aforementioned “ee” sound in knee. That’s what makes it sound like an Irish accent, because Misali is pronouncing it as specified rather than inferring that Jack just couldn’t figure out what dipthong “i” saying it’s name like in “ice” is (the way I and many Americans pronounce it, at least).
Hey, at least Eisenman finished full conlangs, that's more than I can say.
I wouldn't go THAT far
That's so generous you should be able to deduct it from you taxes
It's more than Mitch can say as well. ;)
421th like
The furthest I've gone so far is a phonology, and even that's not finished. And I've been working on this for a solid month now.
Whenever I hear "Vötgil" I spell it "Vodkil" in my mind and it brings the image of a vodka-fueled creation.
that's what I want to share
Korpiklaani - Vodka but every vodka is replaced with Vötgil
@@masicbemester Vötgil, you're feeling stronger
Vötgil, no more feeling bad
Vötgil, your eyes are shining
Vötgil, you are the Eisenman
Vötgil, wipes away your tears
Vötgil, removes your fears
Vötgil, everyone is gorgeous
Vötgil, yeah vötgil!
@@swedneck now all we need is to make the audio form by mixing in what jan Misali said
tbh, still better than actual Votgil
I call it VötGwd lmao
Thumbnail tells me this is the PlayStation Controller language. Don't need to watch the video any more.
@Hayden the Toa this is what happens when you make a mistake
Call this a Halloween episode, because that "q" is terrifying.
At least it kinda looks like . The X for an unvoiced interdental fricative is nonsense.
Very much not the only conlang to use for /ŋ/. Ro, Ceqli and Wjerih Sarak are three great examples of the same thing. Plus some languages I'm planning. Plus a spelling reform of English I did when I was 14/15.
Actually, I think there are some natural languages whose romanization use q for ng (sorry, don't have access to IPA rn)
@Rede Emitel The only one I've found so far was Fijian for [ŋg], but I swore I saw a North American language that used it on Omniglot. (I know, not the be all end all source, but whatev). Doesn't make it any less ugly, btw
I use q for a glottal stop in my conlang’s official romanization. (The actual script, a featural abugida, is yet to be developed so all documentation is in the romanization.)
Like all spelling reforms, you want to avoid saying "gif is pronounced jif". So excuse me when I say that it's Ick-glick, not Inglish.
It’s not pronounced /jif/, it’s pronounced /dʒɪf/
@@xuly3129 it's pronounced /ɟɨɸ/
Pablo360able
What is your English dialect?
@@xuly3129 godly
"It's not that hard guys, it's pronounced GIF"
Loving the reboot of Jack Eisenmann as a more sympathetic character. Iqglic isn't nearly as bad as I expected it to be
It's bad, but like, endearingly bad. Iqglic belongs magneted to a refrigerator.
"That in mind, english is complete garbage"
Yeah obviously but what is your opinion on iqglic
LMAO
It would be fun to have jan Misali do an episode on English, treating it as a conlang.
@@johlarson That's gotta be his most requested episode.
Hii onestlii cudy dxast kept seijiq ai-kjuu-glic for dhii entáir vidijou, dxast tu aevóid konfjúuxon.
Hmm, yes, the floor here is made out of floor.
Funny enough, that list of "words that end with u" basically made me immediately go "antenu is definitely antenna" and everything followed from there so it was pretty clear to me. But that was solely on the basis of "antenu" being obvious, if the list had started with any other word i probably would have had problems.
I had a similar reaction when I got down in the list to "sodu" and "umbrellu" and the penny dropped.
Except... now I'm looking at the list again in order to write this comment, and taking a closer look... Is "uydyu" supposed to be "idea"?
Same for me, but with "plasma"
@@mrphlip I guess it’s parsed as uy-dy-u?
Yeah, a lot of them were pretty easy to figure out, but then there was inrcu. I hate inrcu so much.
@@mrphlip it is, misali showed the answers in the video. It’s weird because it makes it seem like Jack has an Irish accent. He’s American right? For some reason he didn’t realize that (in his writing system), the dipthong for the “i” in ice (and the dipthong in buy, and at the start of idea) should be written “oy”, not “uy”… unless he wants it to sound like Irish English/early modern period English
I’m so excited about Quenya!!!
Using the Doom (2016) style of distinction I see
That would imply that it's a remake of English. Which I guess is maybe what it's supposed to be?
I love the outro music.
Yes, that's it.
thanks! shoutout to jules, they really nailed it www.patreon.com/hbmmaster/posts?filters%5Btag%5D=kulupu%20jan%20tenpo
I love your conlang critic videos! I can't wait for the next episode, and I liked this as a summary and goodbye to Jack Eisermann's work. You're funny, fair, and interesting with them.
I initially left a comment like: "okay man, like, we get it; he's bad at making conlangs. This is starting to seem kinda mean. Like making fun of the slow kid's bad art or something."
But then I watched the last 1 minute of the review. Glad to see you acknowledge it and offer a little perspective. Keep up the excellent work.
i last watched one of your conlang videos a couple months ago and found them pretty interesting. now i've taken half a semester of a linguistics class and they are *so* much more interesting. thank you for these
“english's consonants are: /m/” *ad plays*
wow, small consonant inventory
mmm yes toasterlang phonology
7:26 "uryna", Iqlic: "arena", means "urine" in Polish. it just made me laugh so hard
uryna
I love how he's formalized Canadian Raising
Doesn't distinguish between voiced and voiceless codas (in Canada, [VI] only occurs before morphologically voiceless codas, [AI] otherwise)
@@bootmii98 Funny you should say that. I was an intro to linguistics TA in Vancouver in 2015, and the undergrads kept getting that question wrong because a lot of them have Canadian raising before voiced codas as well. It's spreading.
The Great lakes dialect has conquered them all
“You might have heard of Vötgil”
I have, & I am a bit excited.
I dont know why but the romanized orthography of Iqglic is kinda aesthetically pleasing. Reminds me of a drunk Irishman angrily typing in English.
I was about to do my homework, but never mind.
edit: ive been procrastinating all day only to realize i had no homework why am i writing this
as a person who says (and hears most of the time) trap, father, bath and start all with the same vowel and Lot, cloth, thought and north all with the same vowel I am confused. I'm happy for you who can tell the difference between those!
Wait how are lot and north the same? Even when they're closed the o in north should be rhotised
@@Salsmachev I'm a native speaker for a language with only one "o" vowel and according to my english teachers I have "my own accent" if that helps you understand why I speak and hear the way that I do
@@mariasolenardelli3745 Ah that makes sense. I thought you were saying you were a native speaker with an accent that does that.
If your first language has an a sound, it's probably closer to the sound of o in lot, cloth, and thought than the o sound.
Weird. My native language has only one O too and I recognized six vowels in the lexical set(if you consider long ah to be a vowel and include the diphtong). Trap and Bath are pronounced with an "eh" like sound. Start and North have r-coloured vowels, an r-coloured ah on start and an r-coloured oh on north. The "thought vowel" is a diphtong and it sounds the same as the O in flower. Father, cloth and lot all share the same vowel but the A in father is a long vowel, whereas the vowels in cloth and lot are short. I guess this is caused by me trying to imitate natural accents convincingly.
@@k.umquat8604 You're very perceptive in identifying subtly different phonemes. But thought and flower sound the same to you? I'm a native English speaker and I don't think there are any dialects where thought and flower are the same vowel. The "ow" in flower is the same as in down and cow, which I'm pretty sure is different from "thought" for every native English speaker. What's your original language?
I'm really glad you've decided not to cover any more eisenman conlangs. there comes a point where it just feels like punching down and your stuff has improved so much since those early days! I'm really excited to see what comes next, especially after watching the video you just posted a bit ago!
The vowel groupings were fun.
It's so hard for me to imagine how to pronounce father, cloth, lot and thought with the same vowel.
Trap, bath
Start, father
Lot, cloth
Thought, north
In your episode of English reform you showed me that reading problem is actually English feature that let it expand so much.
*flips coin*
Great video, jan Misali.
I watched all of it.
I love how the the way it sounds when you speak it is just the average west country accent in the UK
Genuinely the language is really funny and charming when removed from the context of being an interlang
i got an ad break at 1:47 and the split second it took to load made me think that you were just ending the list there
When they use Ö for a sound that is not a front equivalent of O, I cringe
The best ways to convey and English "ch" without diacritics are "q" and "tx" in my subjective opinion.
I agree with using the latter, as the English "ch" is two consonant sounds combined, both of which are also individual sounds in English. I've even thought of making a ligature out of the letters, as well, as "ch" has an affricate consonant sound.
For the former, I've thought of assigning the "kh" sound to it. It's barely used in English, nowadays, seeing most of its usage from the Scottish and Scouse accents, but this sound is sorely needed in English, especially with many words in English sporting the ever so annoyingly silent "gh".
That brings me to my next point. As much as many like to think that spelling reform would be the solution to the problems with English spelling, there are also problems with that, as well, and the English language is too far gone to just warrant that. This is why I would advocate that there be a language reform for English, instead.
I was completely knocked over by how ready my brain seems to be to accept "thach" (when spoken aloud) as a real english word.
When that hated English Prime Minister is pronounced That-her
I got an ad in the middle of the phonology section, so it sounded as though Iqglic's consonants included /m/, /n/, /glass shattering noise/...
Much better than Kay(f)bop(t)
Y'know this is the first video of these I've watched (in full) and I may have no idea what this man is talking about but this is cool
I love this series! I understand you probably won't get a chance to get around to it considering how many requests I'm sure you get, but I would love to see you review a Mark Rosenfelder language. While I know it's not his most well-known, my vote would be for Lé, but that's just because I happen to find that one particularly neat.
The word: English
The spelling: Iqglic
My brain: Ick-glick
6:13 missed a chance to say "Iqglic has no speakers"
Pegakibo’s phonology is essentially anglicized Rotokas, but its script is an interesting semifeatural abugida.
Partway through: "Descriptor"
Me: !!
(I use that for adjectives/adverbs as well, when describing my conlangs or sometimes even my notes while studying regular languages. It's handy, plus shorter and more obvious of meaning than "adjective".)
3:02
Anyway, English’s vowels are:
*shows Welsh pronunciation of vowels attempt 1*
10:58 reminds me of when I'm picking names for my variables and two have the same name lol
Wonderful video as always, Mitch!
Do you think you could do a video on Anglish? It's... kind of a conlang?
I listened to this while working in a different window, and I think this might be the optimal way to experience this video
it would be hilarious if you started reviewing natural languages this way and ranking them
Bruh, that high note at the end of the outro song. Marvelous.
shoutout to Jules! www.patreon.com/hbmmaster/posts?filters%5Btag%5D=kulupu%20jan%20tenpo
Yes, shout-out to Jules, amazing high note, but toki pona is not a real language. It's a game.
(8:30) "I exist myself", "the sun exist itself in the sky"?
I just spent like 20 seconds attempting to pronounce the [ngg] consonant cluster at 6:10 exactly as written, i.e. with the n and g at different places of articulation and no vowels at all. Fun times.
Edit: 10:43 - No, I actually didn't notice that, because using q for /ŋ/ and x for /θ/ is so bafflingly unintuitive that my brain shut down looking at what was on screen and didn't even attempt to read them as words.
thank you for providing me with quality content for so long already
Blue is my favourite number in the alphabet.
I am _so_ glad there's captions for this
so this must be where grimes got the name of her newborn from
11:50 kinda sounds like Dr. Lard from _zeto_'s tiktoks
honestly, the whole correlative system would probably work if you swapped out the pronunciation part with something that sounds less weird.
5:00 in swedish that word means "bothers". Which I think is fitting
Yo, shout-out to "ricin lookin fresh doe" in the special thanks list.
6:54 was actually really fun ngl. 11:39 however gives me Swedish Chef vibes
That Conglang Communuty choir at the end is very pretty....
here's all the individual sections (shoutout to Jules!) www.patreon.com/hbmmaster/posts?filters%5Btag%5D=kulupu%20jan%20tenpo
We all were a bit excited when you reviewed Vötgil
So excited for the return
Okay but "rx" is the best way to spell "earth" I've ever seen.
ah yes our annual bully jack eisenman video
Can u make it monthly is my favorite series
oh wow this is.... something. I've been making an improved English called "eenglix", but it only slightly varies from real English. People are supposed to spell the words "how they pronounce them" and each letter has a few simple rules for what it says where. I have found spoken and written eenglix to be comprehensible to native English speakers. this makes for a good confidence booster because it makes me feel glad I didn't make my language too different from English.
can i see details?
@@paper2222 Yes.
docs.google.com/document/d/1IJUFs4Rn3BrWETMg7Il8p-fSC2xcA5FyL0IZ7-uNA7c/edit doc is outdated, lots has changed
English text:
English is a West Germanic language in the Indo-European language family, whose speakers, called Anglophones, originated in early medieval England. The namesake of the language is the Angles, one of the ancient Germanic peoples that migrated to the island of Great Britain.
English is the most spoken language in the world and the third-most spoken native language, after Mandarin Chinese and Spanish. It is also the most widely learned second language in the world, with more second-language speakers than native speakers.
Eenglix (grammar changes only):
English be West Germanic speak way from Indo-European speak way group. Us calls its speakers Anglophones. Them from early mideval Englind. Speak way’s namesake be Angles. Angles be ancient Germanic persons from Great Britain.
English be speaked’est speak way on world. It and be threest natively speaked speak way. Onest be Mandarin Chinese and twost be Spanish. It and be learn wideliest on world. It and have manyer twost speakers then onest speakers.
Eenglix:
eenglix bee west jermeunik speekwey frum indo-yerupeein speekwey groop. ayz cauls it’s speekerz anglofonz. dthem frum erlee mideevol eenglind. speekwey’z neymseyk bee eyngolz. eyngolz bee eynshint germeunic persinz frum greyt britin.
eenglix bee speek’d’ist speekwey an werold. it eund bee threest neytivlee speek’d speekwey. wunst bee meundurin tshayneez eund toost bee speunix. it eund bee lern waydlee’st on worold. it eund have meneeyer toost speekerz dthen wunst speekerz.
@@itsMeKvman y'know, it's funny
cuz i've been working on the exact same thing for months. i'm still in the phase of doing research, but my goal seems to be aligned with yours.
- first off, i still disagree that should be used for sh, because x is already used for ks, and sh already works.
my own english (which is currently named "payper inglish") prioritizes making the language as similar to english as possible, for natives as well as non natives
- - for /ej/ just isn't a gret choice, i kept reading it as /ɛw/ or /iw/.- apparently is for /æ/ which i think is terrible?? why?
i personally think just using might be the most natural option. there's a giant wikipedia article called "english orthography" which lists english's quirks in vowel and consonant spelling, and is soooo helpful in coming up with my own orthography that's as natural as it can be.
- i like how you changed "is am are" to all be "be", as i have done the exact same thing in inglish.
- while the efforts to reduce vocab count is evident, i personally don't think it's great.
you chose to split "language" into "speak way" which makes sense, but isn't too extremely natural (esp when not many languages do this), but then you kept "ancient" which undeniably could be replaced with "old".
- "manyer" doesn't make sense... "more" is literally right there.
- lastly... i don't know if you're considering non natives at all.
vocab reduction is clear, but done in a sloppy way. phonotactics isn't considered at all as you chose to use "speek'd'ist" (which btw looks ugly imo). "onest" and "twost"... isn't good imo. maybe "first" and "number two" would be better alternatives, but i'm not sure why you wouldn't even go wih "oneth" and "twoth" in the first place.
on top of all of that, consonant reduction hasn't been considered at all as you continue to use -/z/ and th sounds. i'm not sure about vowels.
here's how i would translate it in my simplified english instead: (note that i haven't done much work in vocabulary, so i'm just pulling alot of stuff out of my butt)
(grammar change only)
english language be west-german language in indo-europe language group. name of speak er be anglophone. they did come from early medieval english country. name of language that did speak by them be angles. they be one of old german people that did come to english country
english language be language that people speak most and native language that people speak number three most in world. mandarin language be number one and spain language be number two. english language also be learn most as number two language in world. there more number two language speak er than native speaker.
(with spelling changes)
inglish languaje bê west-jerman^ languaje in indoe-yûrope^ languaje groop. name of speek er be angloefone^. dey did come * from erli^ mêdeeval^ inglish cuntri^. name of languaje dat did speek bŷ them be angels^. dey be one * of old jerman^ peepol^ dat did come * from inglish cuntri^.
inglish languaje bê languaje dat peepol^ speek most and naytiv^ languaje dat peepol^ speek number tree most in world^. mandarin^ languaje be number one * and spain^ languaje be number too. inglish languaje also bê lern most as number too languaje in world. dair more number too speek er than naytiv^ speek er.
* intentionally irregular spelling, as respelling it makes it a bit too different
^ spelt on the fly for purpose of this reply; might not be in final project
@@paper2222 - yeah i forgot to replace x with sh that was how it was in old versions of this and i keep doing it
- i didn't change the phonology at all. I want to slightly preserve the "snaky vibratey" aesthetic of English because I think its cool and interesting and sounds kind of different from other languages and gives English some of its personality.
- what's wrong with "manyer"?
- I used "eu" for the "a" in "and" because e makes the /e/ sound and u makes the /ʌ/ sound
All other criticisms valid. You are insane to have been working on this for months and still be in the "research phase"
Omg, I can't keep watching this -- my eyes!
I like this conlang's idea of "English but it's consistent", but I would have swapped the roles for C and X.
10:22 Yeah! Even toki pona has a word for raccoon, and it's the most favorited word!
The Iqgoic translation of the Tower of Babel text VERY strongly resembles LOLcatspeak.
5:44 as opposed to how
these videos are even more fun to watch when your native language isnt english (or iqglic) cause boy do I not understand a single sentence!
Also Stör (pronounced with the "ör" like the "ear" in "search" and with "St" as "Sh-t-[ör]" is like. a fish in german and looking at it while someone claims its store or star is very confusing indeed
i'd love to hear an elaborated opinion about "descriptor" being a part of speech, does anybody have one?
It’s cool
Season finally for christmas sounds great
9:50 "Wow did you do that? Everyow I try it doesn't work, there's noow you managed to make it... Somen I'll figure it out by myself. Noch will stop me!!"
Idk if it looks right but, I wanted to use them somewhe-... Somere.
Please review lincos and or Cosmicos, languages made to speak with aliens we may encounter at the future.
I love the ridiculous translation of tower of babel. It sounds like a crazy guy with a swedish accent trying to tell you a story.
I want to make a language that has one syllable units of meaning, but while preserving international appeal. How do I do it without lots of consonant clusters?
"it was a bit exciting, because it was a first in many ways"
the spoken sample at the end sounds like Kermit the Frog speaking Old English
“I don’t wanna be mean to the guy.”
*10 seconds later*
“Iqglic is complete garbage.”
If it helps, Eisenmann also said Iqglic is also complete garbage as well.
jan Misali doing Something Vaguely Resembling a West Country Accent was the best thing in 2020
Quenya! For Christmas! Yay!!
Every time I see one of these, it makes me want to make my own conlang, but I have no idea how much TIME it takes to create one, and I have no idea how or where to PUT the thing once I make it, or even how to format the information. I have a rough idea for one, and what the basic rules are for it, and I even have a fictional origin for the language in my head, but I don't know how much effort it even takes to do it justice to get it out of my head.
What's the song in the background? I assume that it's a cover of something but idk what.
It is, to be fair, incredibly charming.
As someone using a pronunciation along the lines of RP, adapting to an American phonology, even with the merger, would be somewhat challenging. While I, and many others, an out on an “American accent”, dividing those sounds into groups like that is hardly something I could do on the fly, so I’d probably mispronounce quite a lot of words. I’d like to say that RP is easier for Americans of either pronunciation group to “impersonate”, but it’s probably somewhat similar.
I’d much rather that any English-based conlang just adapt whatever pronunciation you use for English.
1:46
English’s consonants are:
*shows Xoou pronunciation of consonants*
It might be rubbish, sure, but I actually like the way iqglic sounds to speak
*Badsensr*. Because the only possible thing that distinguishes censorship from sensors is the moral value.
Out of curiosity, what dialect does Misali use，because he pronounces bat, [bɛət]？3:30
I believe he said in another video that he speaks in an inland north dialect
I'm not sure how old Jack Eisenmann it, but if he is indeed old, it's cool that he use discord
Quenya as the finale? Gimme that.
This is a sample from the tower of Babbel..
*confused Irish accent*
*Entuyr Rx.*
*uv körs it iz!*
Wow, Americans have a weird idea about what an Irish accent is.
@@i_teleported_bread7404 leaving the Iqglic pronunciation aside, it sounds like a cool name.
@@mickmickymick6927 the diphthongs though, some sound Irish
To those of you asking:
It’s an Eisenmanlang. Of course it’s a haloween episode.
This deserves a pin
@@TheAustronaut03 Let's make it happen, people.
Yes
Makes sense to me
Eisenlang would sound better, just sayin'
I give this a 10/10 for spelling earth as rx
Oh yes, mother Rx
@@ИринаХанжиева-п9д mother prescription
@@ИринаХанжиева-п9д Muxr Rx
I don't get the problem, Earth IS mostly made of rx.
Mother Rex
You know what, you have to respect what a good sport Jack Eisenmann is! He keeps talking to you, even though he must have actually watched the other two videos. Love this episode, though, I love it when you don't hold back.
bread speak
"english (1550-present)" had me laughing my ass off
I like your profile picture! :D
English is an international auxlang made by a large community of contributors in 1550. Its source languages include French and Anglo-Saxon, but somehow its phonology is compatible with neither of those. Its orthography is extremely inconsistent due to how much its creators revised the pronunciation of words over the years but didn't bother to revise the spelling. And they straight up *dropped* a bunch of letters for some reason, and replaced them with pointless digraphs. In one case, they replaced their original letter "wynn" for the /w/ sound with a digraph which, kinda makes sense? It's "uu", which makes sense if you know Latin phonology and for no one else. And for some reason they just decided to smoosh the digraph together into one ugly letter, "w". Why? Why make a digraph if you're going to make it one letter anyway? All in all, this is why you don't let a massive community put together an auxlang with little to no curation. It's almost like someone tried to use a complicated natural creole as an auxlang and called it a day. Wait, oh yeah. Right.
RT Garbage beautiful
@@gwest3644 Nice!
English was created in 400 AD, not 1550.
Mom, can we speak English?
Mom: But we already have Iqglic at home.
Iqglic at home:
Good meme
This, this is a good comment
They say as they're speaking English.
👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
Last night I had a nightmare:
I was dreaming about having an exam at school. Our teacher would say to us "I thought, this time we make it a bit special and brought you something" She's holding a yellow book, bout 50 pages, with the title "Basic Grammar and Vocabulary of Zese". "You'll write your exam in Zese, using its script."
So I had 150 Minutes to write a 600 Word Essay in a language I don't know. While struggling to understand Zese I woke up bathing in sweat with my heart racing.
That sounds terrifying. Maybe you should stop eating before bed...
Imagine this but Poliespo
@@masicbemester Please no
Ok but like imagine writing an essay in Toki Pona...it would be significantly longer than an English version
@@bepis4094 But easier.