For anyone looking to learn more about my work in providing educational material intended to empower individuals in any situation (urban, suburban, rural or farm) to be able to boycott and escape the modern day concentration camp that is dependance on centralized systems read the following articles: 1. gavinmounsey.substack.com/p/24-reasons-you-should-start-a-garden 2. In Pursuit Of An Antidote For Corporate Parasites And Charting A Path Towards A Brighter Future: gavinmounsey.substack.com/p/in-pursuit-of-an-antidote-for-parasites 3. Regenerative Resources (a recommended reading list from my library): gavinmounsey.substack.com/p/regenerative-resources-a-recommended
He might be right, I've seen myself and people I know in a concentration camp with fences and bears on the outside patroling. It was a hypnogogic vision.
@@KarlHessey-db6mf We talking about metaphorical bears or actual bears here? I grew up in Whistler, BC and our backyard used to be old growth cedar/douglas fir forest before it became a subdivision but the bears still saw it as their home and would sleep in our backyard. Most of them time they are peaceful and will not bother you unless they have cubs or you allow them to get into the garbage and starve craving it. Here in southern Ontario where I live now, humans exterminated all the larger predator animals (bears, cougars, wolves and lynx) about a hundred years ago in the name of "progress" and "sustainable development" so now the herbivore populations of animals are unbalanced, resulting in soil erosion, desertification and other issues. Large predator animals are very important for the long term health of ecosystems and soil we rely on to survive as humans. For more info, research the "Trophic Cascade" effect documented in Yellowstone National Park when they allowed wolves to re-populate the area.
@@KarlHessey-db6mf hmm okay, well I have only met a few grizzlies in person but they typically will not mess with you either unless you are disrespectful or sloppy in their territory. Grizzlies even used to live where I am now, but sadly (along with the intentional mass murder/extermination programs funded by governments) the clearcutting of the old growth Eastern White Pine, Eastern Hemlock and Tulip trees that once towered 120-200 feet into the sky here degraded their habitat and now there are no bears of any kind for hundreds of kilometers in all directions.
I am afraid of getting very depressed and losing all my motivation to make a living since I cannot retire at all.. I already feel paralysed now by all..
And the saddest bird of all that is always in search of a cage is the devoted and dogmatic follower of Statism ( for more info: gavinmounsey.substack.com/p/why-i-do-not-celebrate-canada-day )
“Many of the teenage students I encountered seemed to be in a state of what I would call *Depressive Hedonia.* Depression is usually characterized as a state of anhedonia, but the condition I’m referring to is constituted not by an inability to get pleasure so much as it is by an inability to do anything else except pursue pleasure. There is a sense that ‘something is missing’ - but no appreciation that this mysterious, missing enjoyment can only be accessed beyond the pleasure principle. In large part this is a consequence of students’ ambiguous structural position, stranded between their old role as subjects of disciplinary institutions and their new status as consumers of services.“ - Mark Fisher, *Capitalist Realism*
I hate to reduce what you've put here as it does describe the feeling perfectly, but a much less dramatic way of looking at within the relative context of our time is that the specialization of labor, and the breaking down of social barriers was a sacrifice we made to increase productivity. This sacrifice worked. Thats why we did it. But eventually you approach so much emphasis on social connections and group success over individual success that you reach the behavioral sink phenomenom while at the same time economic/scientific progress REGRESSES and the contract binding you to want to even say hi or be nice to strangers goes out the window. That's really part of the behavioral sink too. If you look at that experiment as a way to measure evolutionary success, the rats most likely to escape and breed in better situations were the solitary males that avoided all behavioral sink behavior and violently defended empty territory with no real value.
Oh...and one more thing....to escape is not to leave the physical geographical location you might be imprisoned in, but to be free in your spirit and mind. Two different things.
Great film, I highly recommend watching. It's one I come back to every few years or so and it still rings true. Only the individual can choose to free themselves, but cutting one's self off from the continuous stream of mostly useless information takes some real focus. I find I'm at my most creative when I have little or no idea what the "latest important news" happens to be. I began backing out of all (anti)social sites years ago and choose wisely what I partake of, even here on RUclips and prefer to be inspired and uplifted. And finally, as a musician I listen to interviews with musicians I relate well to and I never hear them speak of anything but music and creativity. May love and creative expression rule. Cheers.
I'm pretty sure they had the same conversations already in Ancient Rome, on their level of course, as they didn't yet invent things like concentration camps and lobotomy.
Yes, because it was planned to be by the powers that need to go away now. No coincidences, more of the future plans for humanity hidden in plain sight....again.
Arthur Dent: “All through my life I've had this strange unaccountable feeling that something was going on in the world, something big, even sinister, and no one would tell me what it was." Slatibartfast: "No, that's just perfectly normal paranoia. Everyone in the Universe has that.”
Many of us have had that feeling from a fairly early age. The sinister element is not an evil of some sort. More it is the sense that something is missing. Humans can't work together well enough. There is an absence of seeing life as a shared experience with shared resources. Competition is all well and good but below that there needs to be co-operation toward common goals. That requires a degree of trust. And the wisdom to see that working for mutual benefit is essential.
You’re not wrong about the ‘something missing’ part, but I would posit that we humans are also sensing a malevolent force in the world,(not merely human nature) one which seeks to divide us & to confound our efforts to come together with mutual respect, trust & by viewing each other as possessing inherent value.
@@howard5992There is an extraordinary amount of cooperation and collaboration taking place. At this very moment we are participating in a conversation shared with millions of people over a film that was made 43 years ago. How many people working in concert does it take to bring about the most quotidian experiences in our lives? Watch out for negativity bias; things may be as bad as we think they are-- although we need to be aware of what we bring to the table in those appraisals-- but we almost never see the good things at scale. We conveniently forget that we are in fact the most altruistic and adaptive species ever to walk this planet, and that innovation doesn't come from comfort, complacency, or even kindness. When it works however, it includes the space for all of these.
He mentioned Orwellian, but what we are experiencing is more Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World. We’re all consuming Soma. Check out the book Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman for a better understanding (;
Yeah when i read Brave New World and 1984 i always thought that Brave New World fits in an more interesting way than 1984. Cause the world depicted in that book is something that many people would see as an Utopia. Only pleasure, high technology, no class wars and no wars between states. Thats what makes this book so interesting and good.
I grew up in East Germany in the eighties that was some 1984 vibe you don't forget, went to the US for a high school year in 96 felt all reverse and inside out outside in quite an experience took me some 20 years to digest that, now the whole west is more Huxley than Orwell. Postman is an eye opener, too, seems we are falling from one ideology into another. comunism ... consumerism ... wokeism. problem is if you know only one surrounding you think it is normal, once you have seen and lived two or three different cultures there is no unseeing the facades
@@co2-fh9xeThank you for sharing. I think what we're dealing with is the thing we don't want to look at: it's us. If we want change, we have to confront the uncomfortable emotions that come with change and taking risks. That's what people are avoiding with ideologies and consumption. Nobody wants to take responsibility over their lives, and that autonomy is chiseled away in schools, work, and every time we self-deceive and conform.
I saw that film when it came out. The theater wasn't full. It didn't run for very long, and when I tried to see it again with a few friends, it was gone. I recently got it through my library's inter library loan service. I wasn't prepared to be so surprised at how strangely relevant it was. Especially that part just seen. At the time this film debuted, that scene seemed a little crazy, but it wasn't, and he mentioned Orwell's book (1984). This scene, now, is prescient! And now, it's 2024, and Lord Muck is about to ascend his throne.
@timothydempsey3763 Definitely watch it. If, that is, you want a dose of the truth of the too often flawed nature of homo sapiens. We've gone from flinging spears to launching ICBM's, and in a few short period of time. There's some hope for us, just not much, and Election Year 2025 undermines even that slim hope. 🎵 Happy trails to...🎵
Wow. Just wow. I blind bought this on Criterion Collection last year but haven't gotten around to watching it yet. I will remedy this tonight. Fascinating how prophetic this scene is...😮
Everything this guy is talking about is all about connecting with your inner child. It’s the source of most depression and the only thing that makes especially men happy. Basically it means doing at least one thing that you did as a child that made you happy. Like: playing with Legos, collecting baseball cards, riding a bike, or dancing to music. Just think back to something you did when you were 11 or 12 that made you so happy and do it!
bicycling works for me, just like when I was 11. Skiiing is also wonderful, as is a day at the beach. However, many things that make me happy have little to do with my inner child. Contributing to society, hosting friends for a dinner party, going to a bar with a pal for drinks, a romantic hike with ones partner, playing in a band, sex... A fulfilled life needs to go beyond the infantile or the juvenile.
I like this movie so much. Its one of those ones where the conversation they have in the restaurant is so incredibly realistic in the sense that eventhough we don't have enough time to get their whole life story to know who they are. We still get through, the stories and anecdotes they tell us a sense of what their mindset is like and what they are currently going through in their life. It really makes you hungry for more films of this kind. I wish someone could make a film like this in today's day and age but just with newer actors and maybe concerns that address the times people are living in the 2020s currently. But then again the great thing about this film is how fresh it still feels when you watch it today. So maybe you don't even need a more contemporary version of it.
Oh no. It was a success at the time. But definitely a cult film. Amazing that it got some screens in the theaters of that era. It couldn't get that access nowadays, aside for streaming or on PBS. Brilliantly done polemic from those times.
Nah, I have the DVD and the script as a book. The book is even in German. Love it. The film, by the way, is directed by the French director Louis Malle.
It's summed up by basically all post modern theory going back to stuff published in the 1960's. Fischer is basically just echoing Derrida, Jameson, Baudrillard, Adorno, Barthes, etc. the list goes on.
Nice to see someone referencing an actual theorist here who can contextualise these ideas. Similarly, Michel Foucault’s ideas about the panopticon are essentially what is being groped at in the aside about the “prison”.
A prison it is; it is also a great opportunity for the victory of the soul. In every great obstacle there is the adventure of potential triumph. The legacy of humanity will not be a sad whimper of cowardice, but the indomitable roar of sheer will. I have faith in myself; I have faith in you.
@ Use a semicolon when the two sentences are too closely related to be separated by a period, and there is no connecting word like "and" or "but". For example, "It was the best of times; it was the worst of times". Straight from google professor. Go be an incorrect pedant elsewhere.
I disagree, human will has been completely coopted by our elite class - and turned solely against each other. We are a snake and the only prey is our own tail.
@ naw; we are the snake killer. But for real. I understand what you see and mean and its not an ignorant or ill-informed perspective. I encourage you to look at what seems like an absurd possibility: That some of us just might pull through enough to see the problem, and learn how to solve it. It may seem hopeless at first; if you hold onto unaltered faith that somehow there is a way for humanity to pull through you’ll start to see steps emerge. Dont give up and you’ll never lose.
My Dinner with Andre has taken a lot of derision over the years but it's been a favourite of mine since ei saw it as a teenager. My friends found it boring. I found it riveting. I still do. I feel like I hear something new every time I see it. Just brilliant.
Dinner with Andre! I was awaken from my sleep back in 2004 when I heard this powerful conversation on TV late night. Never heard of this movie until then but I watched it several times since then. 20 years later it's spot on!
The work of Marshall McLuhan, Guy Debord, Jean Baudrillard, and Rene Girard goes into a lot more detail into this idea, the idea of our own social and industrial technology taking on force of their own.
@@enigma51tedShort term we arent but on a long term scale we are. People are fighting for TikTok to not be banned but most people can’t tell a daily thing they learned being on the app.
My dad told me to watch this about 10 years ago. I found it insufferably pretentious but very comfy, early ASMR. I always open clips of it that appear on YT.
Something that gave this movie some mileage for me was realizing the subtle commentary in the setting. Yes Andre is exciting to listen to and seems to be "awake" in his summary of whats wrong with society. But, they're having this conversation in what looks like a Michelin star restaurant, and throughout the entirety of the dinner he never once acknowledges their elderly server waiting on them. They end up talking so long they are the last in the restaurant, the entire staff is waiting for them to finish. Here is Andre talking about tribes who listen to bugs and how special that is, and he can't even see that he's ignoring the person waiting on him. It feels like a quiet jab at the luxury to be able to pontificate about life in this way. Andre does have alot of great revelations but I think Wally's ability to enjoy life as it is in front of him is the sobering balance.
Very well said. I never thought of it in those terms before but it gives a bit more substance to the whole thing. Perhaps your observation is even more relevant now than when the film came out, as it seems like a hypocrisy problem that really plagued first-world baby boomers. Not that we aren't guilty of it ourselves...
The glum waiter was a famous film director in his time picked by Andre' to play the role. The ignoring of the wait staff is on purpose. A little class joke. Andre' grew up rich and his Father financed his theatrical ventures grudgingly. There's a doc out called "Before and After Dinner" if you're interested in his background.
I totally see what you mean. The dude thinks he is a visionary, criticizing modern society and people. When he is the one out of touch with reality, presenting like a lunatic with his rambling. He has some good points but it’s hard to convince people when you are actively alienating them.
Me too. I watched it after a homage from Community I found the homage to be more interesting. This kind of thing, what he's saying, seems to be the same thing every time but presented as if its a new discovery. It just reminds me of Bill Burr and how you can only talk to conspiracy fanatics for so long before they start launching into their favorite diatribes.. "...Dude, you know theres no gold behind our currency"
It has always been like that, the 60s was just one of many little experiments the overlords run on our species. Disengaging from all external powers is indeed wise, they all seek our demise and misery. Be your own master, live free, die free (if need be, they will kill us all soon).
If you make yourself HAPPY, regardless of what happens, via Optimism (positive expectation and positive attention bias)you can do anything. Happiness is a frequency of vibration, and science states all energy returns back to its original source (Prayer). Hense, why The systems are set up to make you think and feel negative. Everyone has the power within them to change everything, but you have to remain consistant. Learn about metaphysics and the Hemetic principle (natural Laws) of the Universe and you will build all the faith you need to persist in creating Happiness.
Funny how he said “it’s quite possible that the 1960’s represented the last burst of the human being before he was extinguished.” I’ve heard people say the exact same thing about the 1990’s now.
Yeah I notice most people will just say what ever time period that they were apart of simply because they want to be tied to what was considered better times. So many have self important biases...
It's also possible that things are progressively getting worse and worse and they only have the past they were alive during (90s) to compare to the present.
Foucault believed, or at least presented as asserting, that the panopticon is perfect in its scope and function. But if the panopticon was perfect you wouldn't see it. You can, therefore there are fault lines. It simply cannot see all. And in that fact there is hope to resist.
That’s what they want u to think. u have been conditioned to be to cynical to see or def care to support nascent humanist movements. Sorry if the medicine taste bad.
This movie is so brilliant. I have a bad attention span and even though this movie is as simple as a dinner conversation and no action or plot it keeps you intrigued. And although as simple as "just" a dinner conversation it is way more than just that.
Thanks for sharing. I have never seen this movie, and I will watch it. It reminds me of myself when I go to work and want to talk about "the world" and how it really operates (lies, secret societies, cults, mind control, etc) to someone who may be half awake...🤔
Its breaking. The sheer weight of our institutions cannot be supported by us because of our complacency and therefore collapse, letting the real world flood in. The real question is are you fighting to hold the walls up, getting ready to use your fellow people’s bodies as a raft as you capitalise on their misfortune because you want to be the warden of the next prison, or building a boat for everyone to ride it out on?
We can't save all our institutions, but if you start small and local, many can still be supported or brought back to life. I'm talking libraries, schools, food pantries, the sort of stuff that are core to local communities.
It’s not just bored. It’s uninterested. People aren’t curious how the world around them works or how it was shaped by eons of war, strife, discovery, disease, survival, suffering, kindness and death. Or the true nature of things. A peek “behind the veil” if you will. And in that vein, many suffer without understanding why or even knowing they are.
2:22 he doesn’t know how close to the truth he really was…as a society our creativity, compassion, and humanity was extinguished…what remains is the smoldering embers of what was.
I believe that for men, real success is strongly connected to the quality of their relationship with anger and patience. When you can‘t handle anger, you‘re either toxic or passive agressive. When your impatient, then you lost connection to your needs and joys. Just my two cents though…
I watched some of this on acid, maybe all of it, when I was 17 or so. I reflect on its themes often, but more on that I’d already noticed much of this myself and it was intensely validating. The problem and the solution is understanding there is no escape. We’re here now and we’re nowhere near as powerful as we presume. Embrace the paradox that is life.
Walking home afterwards I felt like electricity was shooting through my limbs and I couldn't stop babbling at my roommates. Couldn't believe two guys yakking at each other for two hours could be so exhilarating. Too bad that I also felt like there was no reason to take any of it seriously. I mean, it was just an arthouse film about two artsy-fartsy guys saying artsy-fartsy stuff in interesting, artsy ways. Hadn't left my reactionary redneck roots as far behind as I wanted to believe, I guess.
@@thomasj.treder7971it was arthousey stuff but it struck at the core of any house movement, two broken men talking about real realizations that point to deep fundamental questions in the US.. a lot of people get caught in their beliefs while andre was written strongly with experience
Mythical recommendation pull. "Many of Mankind's problems stem from not being able to sit in a room alone" - Blaise Pascal, Plato's Allegory of the cave, "Give them bread and circuses and they will never revolt".
Most people would deny the opportunity if presented to them. Because to live with nature is a lot of work and very dangerous. People shrink from and shriek at the idea of even growing their own vegetables.
@@kendalljames260 and by design too. What is now considered natural is truly deeply unnatural, and what was once natural has now been programmed into us as unnatural.
The sad thing is that when life eventually does cease to exist on the planet, there will be no one to remember all the music, the art, the movies, the culture that millenia of human beings created...no one to remember them, no one to appreciate them.
@@davel4708 True. Makes me wonder - if we did make it to the stars, will we be remembered positively or negatively by any other races that coexist in this galaxy....
@@matthewlloyd3255 If we get anywhere, the others out there will liekly have trapped themselves the way we're most likely to do as is. Xeno-archaeology will be the science of the extra-stellar species, telling the story of why these other species didn't get off their starting planet...
This must be why I often get an urge to be alone in nature and rid myself of all social access and live something like a character in a Mark Twain book
The books "Amusing ourselves to death" & "Brave new world" do seem to describe some of the big problems of our times. But mostly "Amusing ourselves to death".
Its borderline insanity. You hear people talk about it through out history about social norms and patterns. It always comes back to the same thing. Its really just a matter of when, not if
oh, my dinner with andre, and i was gonna ask if it was mash. i know about this bc dan harmon. there was the abed bday ep and mort dinner rick andre(the mr nimbus ep)
Lol at all the comments going “omg how did Louis Malle (a stretch they would know that, because they have never seen this movie) predict all of this!1!!” because people on the Internet are apparently unable to fathom that people had thoughts before the 2010s. This is literally a concept as old as Brave New World. Literally nothing is unprecedented.
It's worse than that. We won't ever forget that we have feelings, we won't ever lose the need for both individuality and culture, and we'll always need meaning and continuity to make sense of everything, we evolved with these things for hundreds of millennia, we won't evolve out of them anytime soon. But increasingly we're forgetting *how* to go about these things, how to process them, how to create them, sustain them, make them ours. We're forgetting how to be human, but we're still human. So our human needs go on unmet, and so we live on in constant agony, looking for the next thing that will shut out the pain for a little while. Yet the solution can't be found until we stop trying to numb this agony, and start letting it speak, start listening to ourselves and our suppressed pains. The answer is within the pain itself, in listening to it and not ignoring it, not in some coveted external pleasure.
For anyone looking to learn more about my work in providing educational material intended to empower individuals in any situation (urban, suburban, rural or farm) to be able to boycott and escape the modern day concentration camp that is dependance on centralized systems read the following articles:
1. gavinmounsey.substack.com/p/24-reasons-you-should-start-a-garden
2. In Pursuit Of An Antidote For Corporate Parasites And Charting A Path Towards A Brighter Future:
gavinmounsey.substack.com/p/in-pursuit-of-an-antidote-for-parasites
3. Regenerative Resources (a recommended reading list from my library):
gavinmounsey.substack.com/p/regenerative-resources-a-recommended
He might be right, I've seen myself and people I know in a concentration camp with fences and bears on the outside patroling. It was a hypnogogic vision.
@@KarlHessey-db6mf We talking about metaphorical bears or actual bears here? I grew up in Whistler, BC and our backyard used to be old growth cedar/douglas fir forest before it became a subdivision but the bears still saw it as their home and would sleep in our backyard. Most of them time they are peaceful and will not bother you unless they have cubs or you allow them to get into the garbage and starve craving it.
Here in southern Ontario where I live now, humans exterminated all the larger predator animals (bears, cougars, wolves and lynx) about a hundred years ago in the name of "progress" and "sustainable development" so now the herbivore populations of animals are unbalanced, resulting in soil erosion, desertification and other issues. Large predator animals are very important for the long term health of ecosystems and soil we rely on to survive as humans.
For more info, research the "Trophic Cascade" effect documented in Yellowstone National Park when they allowed wolves to re-populate the area.
@gavinmacmounsey grizzly bears as real as the real ones, it was a hypnogogic hallucination.
@@KarlHessey-db6mf hmm okay, well I have only met a few grizzlies in person but they typically will not mess with you either unless you are disrespectful or sloppy in their territory. Grizzlies even used to live where I am now, but sadly (along with the intentional mass murder/extermination programs funded by governments) the clearcutting of the old growth Eastern White Pine, Eastern Hemlock and Tulip trees that once towered 120-200 feet into the sky here degraded their habitat and now there are no bears of any kind for hundreds of kilometers in all directions.
I am afraid of getting very depressed and losing all my motivation to make a living since I cannot retire at all.. I already feel paralysed now by all..
"I promise I won't get political"
Me after one drink:
😂
What's political about that?
@@dejowada yeah, I think "I wont get philosophical" would be more accurate.
@@chazlewis8114 not really either? Damn, why every topic for zoomers have to be political in some way and they can't have their own opinions
Not realizing everything is political is part of it @@dejowada
"I saw a bird in search of a cage" Kafka
“A Cage Went in Search of a Bird“
And the saddest bird of all that is always in search of a cage is the devoted and dogmatic follower of Statism ( for more info: gavinmounsey.substack.com/p/why-i-do-not-celebrate-canada-day )
I desire to be that bird.
I bet I cant guess your middle name
@@MrBallisticNINJA ? say what now?
“Many of the teenage students I encountered seemed to be in a state of what I would call *Depressive Hedonia.* Depression is usually characterized as a state of anhedonia, but the condition I’m referring to is constituted not by an inability to get pleasure so much as it is by an inability to do anything else except pursue pleasure. There is a sense that ‘something is missing’ - but no appreciation that this mysterious, missing enjoyment can only be accessed beyond the pleasure principle. In large part this is a consequence of students’ ambiguous structural position, stranded between their old role as subjects of disciplinary institutions and their new status as consumers of services.“
- Mark Fisher, *Capitalist Realism*
I hate to reduce what you've put here as it does describe the feeling perfectly, but a much less dramatic way of looking at within the relative context of our time is that the specialization of labor, and the breaking down of social barriers was a sacrifice we made to increase productivity. This sacrifice worked. Thats why we did it. But eventually you approach so much emphasis on social connections and group success over individual success that you reach the behavioral sink phenomenom while at the same time economic/scientific progress REGRESSES and the contract binding you to want to even say hi or be nice to strangers goes out the window. That's really part of the behavioral sink too. If you look at that experiment as a way to measure evolutionary success, the rats most likely to escape and breed in better situations were the solitary males that avoided all behavioral sink behavior and violently defended empty territory with no real value.
Right and Communists think you're just an instrument or robot, an object for the states purposes...
Anhedonia is also a common side effect of anti-depressants.
wow, I have nothing to add, I just want to sit here from the sidelines and enjoy this thoughtful conversation that is emerging here.
Mark Fisher really had a talent for taking something simple and making it incredibly complicated.
Oh...and one more thing....to escape is not to leave the physical geographical location you might be imprisoned in, but to be free in your spirit and mind. Two different things.
wonderfully said, thank you for sharing that insight.
Are you free?
good point
Thank you for proving Andre's point.
Anyone who doesn't understand that wouldn't be watching this video
@@TanyaKatherine
Narcissistic people don’t believe that they are in a prison
They believe that they run the prison
Great film, I highly recommend watching. It's one I come back to every few years or so and it still rings true. Only the individual can choose to free themselves, but cutting one's self off from the continuous stream of mostly useless information takes some real focus. I find I'm at my most creative when I have little or no idea what the "latest important news" happens to be. I began backing out of all (anti)social sites years ago and choose wisely what I partake of, even here on RUclips and prefer to be inspired and uplifted. And finally, as a musician I listen to interviews with musicians I relate well to and I never hear them speak of anything but music and creativity. May love and creative expression rule. Cheers.
This leads one to political ignorance, which is the most certain way to ensure we are all screwed.
I'm looking for real people in this world, real humans I can talk to
I'm 53 I never been any where other than youtube google and gmail It's my only means of being contacted as I've never owned a mobile phone.
What's the movie name?
@@richardcastromzena5136 my dinner with Andre
Two men from 1981 talking about 2024. Interesting
Not really, that's just you being easy to play!
The simple fact of buying into that drivel make you look like an idiot
I'm pretty sure they had the same conversations already in Ancient Rome, on their level of course, as they didn't yet invent things like concentration camps and lobotomy.
It seemed to have worked for Pablo.
@@PeterT-i1w exactly
@@PeterT-i1w I find it comforting that we find ancient stone tablets with inscriptions that read: “Gosh, is this really all there is to life?”
Legendary film that was WAY ahead of its time.
BRUH WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE
What's the name?
@@aeriagloris4211Waiting for Gadoe’ (I think & I prob spelled Gadoe wrong)
Yes, because it was planned to be by the powers that need to go away now. No coincidences, more of the future plans for humanity hidden in plain sight....again.
@@LisaKelly-k8sgodot, but I thought waiting for godot was just a book
“My Dinner with Andre” one of the most thought provoking movies ever made. It’s a must watch.
Arthur Dent: “All through my life I've had this strange unaccountable feeling that something was going on in the world, something big, even sinister, and no one would tell me what it was."
Slatibartfast: "No, that's just perfectly normal paranoia. Everyone in the Universe has that.”
Many of us have had that feeling from a fairly early age.
The sinister element is not an evil of some sort. More it is the sense that something is missing.
Humans can't work together well enough. There is an absence of seeing life as a shared experience with shared resources.
Competition is all well and good but below that there needs to be co-operation toward common goals. That requires a degree of trust. And the wisdom to see that working for mutual benefit is essential.
@@howard5992well put
You’re not wrong about the ‘something missing’ part, but I would posit that we humans are also sensing a malevolent force in the world,(not merely human nature) one which seeks to divide us & to confound our efforts to come together with mutual respect, trust & by viewing each other as possessing inherent value.
Wait till he finds out about the internet
@@howard5992There is an extraordinary amount of cooperation and collaboration taking place. At this very moment we are participating in a conversation shared with millions of people over a film that was made 43 years ago. How many people working in concert does it take to bring about the most quotidian experiences in our lives? Watch out for negativity bias; things may be as bad as we think they are-- although we need to be aware of what we bring to the table in those appraisals-- but we almost never see the good things at scale. We conveniently forget that we are in fact the most altruistic and adaptive species ever to walk this planet, and that innovation doesn't come from comfort, complacency, or even kindness. When it works however, it includes the space for all of these.
He mentioned Orwellian, but what we are experiencing is more Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World. We’re all consuming Soma.
Check out the book Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman for a better understanding (;
1) Being you distracted
2) don’t think
3) don’t remember
Are the keys both in 1984 and Brave New World.
It’s both parts equally; but I read that Oatmeal comic in 2009 as well, Smart Guy.
Yeah when i read Brave New World and 1984 i always thought that Brave New World fits in an more interesting way than 1984. Cause the world depicted in that book is something that many people would see as an Utopia. Only pleasure, high technology, no class wars and no wars between states. Thats what makes this book so interesting and good.
I grew up in East Germany in the eighties that was some 1984 vibe you don't forget, went to the US for a high school year in 96 felt all reverse and inside out outside in quite an experience took me some 20 years to digest that, now the whole west is more Huxley than Orwell. Postman is an eye opener, too, seems we are falling from one ideology into another. comunism ... consumerism ... wokeism. problem is if you know only one surrounding you think it is normal, once you have seen and lived two or three different cultures there is no unseeing the facades
@@co2-fh9xeThank you for sharing.
I think what we're dealing with is the thing we don't want to look at: it's us.
If we want change, we have to confront the uncomfortable emotions that come with change and taking risks. That's what people are avoiding with ideologies and consumption. Nobody wants to take responsibility over their lives, and that autonomy is chiseled away in schools, work, and every time we self-deceive and conform.
The film is my dinner with Andre
I saw that film when it came out. The theater wasn't full. It didn't run for very long, and when I tried to see it again with a few friends, it was gone. I recently got it through my library's inter library loan service. I wasn't prepared to be so surprised at how strangely relevant it was. Especially that part just seen. At the time this film debuted, that scene seemed a little crazy, but it wasn't, and he mentioned Orwell's book (1984). This scene, now, is prescient! And now, it's 2024, and Lord Muck is about to ascend his throne.
Don't watch Dr Strangelove
@timothydempsey3763 Definitely watch it. If, that is, you want a dose of the truth of the too often flawed nature of homo sapiens. We've gone from flinging spears to launching ICBM's, and in a few short period of time. There's some hope for us, just not much, and Election Year 2025 undermines even that slim hope. 🎵 Happy trails to...🎵
what's the name of the movie please
@olumideadeniji4446 The movie is called My Dinner With Andre.
Lord Muck??? 😂😂
Wow. Just wow. I blind bought this on Criterion Collection last year but haven't gotten around to watching it yet. I will remedy this tonight. Fascinating how prophetic this scene is...😮
Love seeing this film being reposted, it deserves all the glory ❤ Meaningful dialogue
I remember Chomsky saying this was one of his favorite films - or at least something he'd seen that he enjoyed a lot
hahaha even his entertainment is same as his work!! 😀😆
One of my favorite films. Almost all dialog is gold.
This needs to go viral.
Ohhh the irony
My Dinner with Andre 1981. You're welcome. 👍
its in the description man
Tnx G
People are lazy these days haha
this aged like fine wine!
0:54 Inconceivable!
😂
Writer of this film, the great Wallace Shawn.
You keep using this word
I do not think it means what you think it means
Please try to accept other than pop culture too!
You are trying to steal what I've rightfully taken! 😅
Everything this guy is talking about is all about connecting with your inner child. It’s the source of most depression and the only thing that makes especially men happy. Basically it means doing at least one thing that you did as a child that made you happy. Like: playing with Legos, collecting baseball cards, riding a bike, or dancing to music. Just think back to something you did when you were 11 or 12 that made you so happy and do it!
Building tree forts,building rock dams on streams,finding a secret spot to fish
bicycling works for me, just like when I was 11. Skiiing is also wonderful, as is a day at the beach.
However, many things that make me happy have little to do with my inner child. Contributing to society, hosting friends for a dinner party, going to a bar with a pal for drinks, a romantic hike with ones partner, playing in a band, sex...
A fulfilled life needs to go beyond the infantile or the juvenile.
Stealing my mom's laptop and playing shooters on it with my older brother ❤
Why especially men??
@@Nice-sm5hr sure, women too. I was only speaking for myself.
(You can add the obligatory consonants too, if you wish).
I like this movie so much. Its one of those ones where the conversation they have in the restaurant is so incredibly realistic in the sense that eventhough we don't have enough time to get their whole life story to know who they are. We still get through, the stories and anecdotes they tell us a sense of what their mindset is like and what they are currently going through in their life. It really makes you hungry for more films of this kind. I wish someone could make a film like this in today's day and age but just with newer actors and maybe concerns that address the times people are living in the 2020s currently. But then again the great thing about this film is how fresh it still feels when you watch it today. So maybe you don't even need a more contemporary version of it.
Movie Title is ☝🏿
My Dinner with Andre (1981)
One of the reasons why I feel that this may be one of the greatest movies ever made.
One of the greatest movies than no one ever saw...
I saw it twice, and the part about leaving struck me in particular.
A lot of people saw it when it came out, but that was 45 years ago.
Oh no. It was a success at the time. But definitely a cult film. Amazing that it got some screens in the theaters of that era. It couldn't get that access nowadays, aside for streaming or on PBS. Brilliantly done polemic from those times.
Nah, I have the DVD and the script as a book. The book is even in German. Love it. The film, by the way, is directed by the French director Louis Malle.
I like how different the subway car interior looks in the beginning.
I remember seeing this on British TV one Friday afternoon in the 80's when was off sick from school.
Memory is a fascinating thing. Some of my best viewing was at home off school
How do you remember that
@bruh35283 I have a very vivid memory of my childhood. Treasured memories. As clear as if they were recorded.
@bruh35283How wouldn't you?
What Andre is describing was summed up by Mark Fisher as “Capitalist realism”. A book I recommend you read
It's summed up by basically all post modern theory going back to stuff published in the 1960's. Fischer is basically just echoing Derrida, Jameson, Baudrillard, Adorno, Barthes, etc. the list goes on.
Nice to see someone referencing an actual theorist here who can contextualise these ideas.
Similarly, Michel Foucault’s ideas about the panopticon are essentially what is being groped at in the aside about the “prison”.
No he isn't at all. Not once does he reference capitalism. If anything he's talking about the entertainment industry or society in general
@@danrichards9823those are capitalism or heavily influenced by capitalism 👍
A prison it is; it is also a great opportunity for the victory of the soul. In every great obstacle there is the adventure of potential triumph. The legacy of humanity will not be a sad whimper of cowardice, but the indomitable roar of sheer will.
I have faith in myself; I have faith in you.
@ Use a semicolon when the two sentences are too closely related to be separated by a period, and there is no connecting word like "and" or "but". For example, "It was the best of times; it was the worst of times".
Straight from google professor. Go be an incorrect pedant elsewhere.
Thanks
I disagree, human will has been completely coopted by our elite class - and turned solely against each other. We are a snake and the only prey is our own tail.
@ naw; we are the snake killer.
But for real. I understand what you see and mean and its not an ignorant or ill-informed perspective. I encourage you to look at what seems like an absurd possibility: That some of us just might pull through enough to see the problem, and learn how to solve it. It may seem hopeless at first; if you hold onto unaltered faith that somehow there is a way for humanity to pull through you’ll start to see steps emerge. Dont give up and you’ll never lose.
❤❤❤ Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right.
Henry Ford
My Dinner with Andre has taken a lot of derision over the years but it's been a favourite of mine since ei saw it as a teenager. My friends found it boring. I found it riveting. I still do. I feel like I hear something new every time I see it. Just brilliant.
Wild film, just conversation for almost the entire duration. Its baffling and entrancing. Want to rewatch soon
This kind of needs to be spread in my opinion
Still one of my absolute favourite films & for good reason. Timeless.
Dinner with Andre! I was awaken from my sleep back in 2004 when I heard this powerful conversation on TV late night. Never heard of this movie until then but I watched it several times since then. 20 years later it's spot on!
The work of Marshall McLuhan, Guy Debord, Jean Baudrillard, and Rene Girard goes into a lot more detail into this idea, the idea of our own social and industrial technology taking on force of their own.
Tell me more!
*moves joystick up
This should have 23k likes
worst video ever - This about being being BORED. NO one is Bored thanks to the internet etc. Duh
Trenchant insight
@@enigma51tedShort term we arent but on a long term scale we are. People are fighting for TikTok to not be banned but most people can’t tell a daily thing they learned being on the app.
Perfect logic & here we are !
My dad told me to watch this about 10 years ago. I found it insufferably pretentious but very comfy, early ASMR. I always open clips of it that appear on YT.
Something that gave this movie some mileage for me was realizing the subtle commentary in the setting. Yes Andre is exciting to listen to and seems to be "awake" in his summary of whats wrong with society. But, they're having this conversation in what looks like a Michelin star restaurant, and throughout the entirety of the dinner he never once acknowledges their elderly server waiting on them. They end up talking so long they are the last in the restaurant, the entire staff is waiting for them to finish. Here is Andre talking about tribes who listen to bugs and how special that is, and he can't even see that he's ignoring the person waiting on him.
It feels like a quiet jab at the luxury to be able to pontificate about life in this way. Andre does have alot of great revelations but I think Wally's ability to enjoy life as it is in front of him is the sobering balance.
Very well said. I never thought of it in those terms before but it gives a bit more substance to the whole thing. Perhaps your observation is even more relevant now than when the film came out, as it seems like a hypocrisy problem that really plagued first-world baby boomers. Not that we aren't guilty of it ourselves...
The glum waiter was a famous film director in his time picked by Andre' to play the role. The ignoring of the wait staff is on purpose. A little class joke. Andre' grew up rich and his Father financed his theatrical ventures grudgingly. There's a doc out called "Before and After Dinner" if you're interested in his background.
I totally see what you mean. The dude thinks he is a visionary, criticizing modern society and people. When he is the one out of touch with reality, presenting like a lunatic with his rambling. He has some good points but it’s hard to convince people when you are actively alienating them.
Me too. I watched it after a homage from Community
I found the homage to be more interesting. This kind of thing, what he's saying, seems to be the same thing every time but presented as if its a new discovery.
It just reminds me of Bill Burr and how you can only talk to conspiracy fanatics for so long before they start launching into their favorite diatribes..
"...Dude, you know theres no gold behind our currency"
It is important to keep the fight alive in spirit, and in action however you can. Do not subdue yourself whenever possible
yes, the whole world is like that now
i'm still looking for a place to escape that isn't the woods
Me too, let me know when you find it
Unfortunately, there is no utopia. U have to choose if u want the all the comforts offered in “civilization” or not.
Why not the woods?
It has always been like that, the 60s was just one of many little experiments the overlords run on our species. Disengaging from all external powers is indeed wise, they all seek our demise and misery. Be your own master, live free, die free (if need be, they will kill us all soon).
The woods wouldn't help you either.
If you make yourself HAPPY, regardless of what happens, via Optimism (positive expectation and positive attention bias)you can do anything. Happiness is a frequency of vibration, and science states all energy returns back to its original source (Prayer). Hense, why The systems are set up to make you think and feel negative. Everyone has the power within them to change everything, but you have to remain consistant. Learn about metaphysics and the Hemetic principle (natural Laws) of the Universe and you will build all the faith you need to persist in creating Happiness.
Truth. Omg I wanna watch this movie now!
Incredible scene 🎉
Most people wont properly understand this film. But its perfect!
Theres no where to go. You must be free within yourself. Live in the present moment.
Such an incredibly important movie that needs to be preserved
Funny how he said “it’s quite possible that the 1960’s represented the last burst of the human being before he was extinguished.” I’ve heard people say the exact same thing about the 1990’s now.
Yeah I notice most people will just say what ever time period that they were apart of simply because they want to be tied to what was considered better times. So many have self important biases...
It's also possible that things are progressively getting worse and worse and they only have the past they were alive during (90s) to compare to the present.
1:30 Foucault’s Panopticon
Jeremy Bentham
Foucault believed, or at least presented as asserting, that the panopticon is perfect in its scope and function. But if the panopticon was perfect you wouldn't see it. You can, therefore there are fault lines. It simply cannot see all. And in that fact there is hope to resist.
Pedophile said what?
Deleuze et al discussed it as they saw it being implemented, post WW2.
🔥🔥
I heard that monologue a couple decades ago in a song, a punk rock song I think, and never knew where it came from.
I do remember watching this maybe 5 years ago
surprised i dont remember this part
"The 1960s represented the last burst of the human being before it was extinguished" lol probably, yeah
That’s what they want u to think. u have been conditioned to be to cynical to see or def care to support nascent humanist movements. Sorry if the medicine taste bad.
You should read Orwell’s Politics and the English Language and try to implement his recommendations in your own writing
Most predictable Americanized worldview
American Try Not To Assume The World Is Like America Challenge (impossible)
@@hazardousjazzgasm129 Well we do live IN FUCKING AMERICA
“The tendency to see others as less human than ourselves is universal”
-Hannibal Lecter
That's Deep and true. People are oblivious
I’d never heard of this movie. Thank you so much for posting this. ❤ I can’t believe our species once had the brilliance to speak this way 😂😂😂
Dinner with André 🔥🔥🔥 You're both the guard & the prisoner, deep🗿
Not going to finish this video as I am currently waiting on Amazon to deliver me a copy of Dinner With Andre ❤
This movie is so brilliant. I have a bad attention span and even though this movie is as simple as a dinner conversation and no action or plot it keeps you intrigued. And although as simple as "just" a dinner conversation it is way more than just that.
Any other movies like this?
Thanks
Detachment
@WorldView-cq5ue thank you!
Inconceivable.
Beat me to it, lol
"Do you want me to take you back to where I found you? Unemployed in Greenland!?"
I... I got that reference.
Thanks for sharing. I have never seen this movie, and I will watch it. It reminds me of myself when I go to work and want to talk about "the world" and how it really operates (lies, secret societies, cults, mind control, etc) to someone who may be half awake...🤔
Its breaking. The sheer weight of our institutions cannot be supported by us because of our complacency and therefore collapse, letting the real world flood in.
The real question is are you fighting to hold the walls up, getting ready to use your fellow people’s bodies as a raft as you capitalise on their misfortune because you want to be the warden of the next prison, or building a boat for everyone to ride it out on?
this is exactly it.
We can't save all our institutions, but if you start small and local, many can still be supported or brought back to life. I'm talking libraries, schools, food pantries, the sort of stuff that are core to local communities.
Oh definitely the former. 100p
inspired the 1986 doris lessing book: prisons we choose to live inside
It’s not just bored. It’s uninterested. People aren’t curious how the world around them works or how it was shaped by eons of war, strife, discovery, disease, survival, suffering, kindness and death. Or the true nature of things. A peek “behind the veil” if you will. And in that vein, many suffer without understanding why or even knowing they are.
If only you'd had the clip continuing. He gets into hope and solutions immediately following where the vid cuts off.
The entire movie needs to be seen to really tie everything he says together. Multiple viewings.
❤❤❤ Great one! Perfect timing!
Or thinking and feeling all the pretty little things that get put in their heads
This was a preview into the future, our future that is happening right now in 2024 and beyond!
“You want to exist, but you cannot stand existing. This is the paradox of human life.” (Source: “I Am That”, p. 188, Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj)
That was inconceivable!
Brilliant showcase of acting
Wow, gonna have to watch this now. We need to take our humanity back.
2:42 "there once was a species called a human being with feelings and thoughts" 😒
Truth doesn’t lie
2:22 he doesn’t know how close to the truth he really was…as a society our creativity, compassion, and humanity was extinguished…what remains is the smoldering embers of what was.
One of my favorite films
So relevant 📢
Great movie.
I believe that for men, real success is strongly connected to the quality of their relationship with anger and patience.
When you can‘t handle anger, you‘re either toxic or passive agressive. When your impatient, then you lost connection to your needs and joys.
Just my two cents though…
I watched some of this on acid, maybe all of it, when I was 17 or so. I reflect on its themes often, but more on that I’d already noticed much of this myself and it was intensely validating.
The problem and the solution is understanding there is no escape. We’re here now and we’re nowhere near as powerful as we presume. Embrace the paradox that is life.
This is my favorite Community EP
I jumped out of my seat when I saw this in the theater.
that was long time ago? how did you managed to go on while being so gullible and prone to jumping out of your seat like a moron?
Walking home afterwards I felt like electricity was shooting through my limbs and I couldn't stop babbling at my roommates. Couldn't believe two guys yakking at each other for two hours could be so exhilarating.
Too bad that I also felt like there was no reason to take any of it seriously. I mean, it was just an arthouse film about two artsy-fartsy guys saying artsy-fartsy stuff in interesting, artsy ways. Hadn't left my reactionary redneck roots as far behind as I wanted to believe, I guess.
Did ye aye?
@@thomasj.treder7971it was arthousey stuff but it struck at the core of any house movement, two broken men talking about real realizations that point to deep fundamental questions in the US.. a lot of people get caught in their beliefs while andre was written strongly with experience
No you never.
That Key & Peele skit where they are in the cinema heckling and Peele goes, “It’s a visual medium! Enough with this My Dinner with Andre BuIIsh*t” 🤣
Mythical recommendation pull. "Many of Mankind's problems stem from not being able to sit in a room alone" - Blaise Pascal, Plato's Allegory of the cave, "Give them bread and circuses and they will never revolt".
We are the only animals that are not automatic allowed to live with nature freely without obligation.
Most people would deny the opportunity if presented to them. Because to live with nature is a lot of work and very dangerous. People shrink from and shriek at the idea of even growing their own vegetables.
@@kendalljames260 and by design too. What is now considered natural is truly deeply unnatural, and what was once natural has now been programmed into us as unnatural.
Sheer Irony or perhaps Mockery of getting this recommended on RUclips feed
Was he in The Linguine Incident?
The sad thing is that when life eventually does cease to exist on the planet, there will be no one to remember all the music, the art, the movies, the culture that millenia of human beings created...no one to remember them, no one to appreciate them.
There will be no one to feel sad about it
Depends on our footprint in space.
@@davel4708 True. Makes me wonder - if we did make it to the stars, will we be remembered positively or negatively by any other races that coexist in this galaxy....
@@matthewlloyd3255 If we get anywhere, the others out there will liekly have trapped themselves the way we're most likely to do as is. Xeno-archaeology will be the science of the extra-stellar species, telling the story of why these other species didn't get off their starting planet...
We don't live on a planet. Or at least we're only a small part of it. We haven't even existed, as a species, for much more than 150 years.
Thanks for sharing
Wow... prophetic doesn't even fully describe this.
This must be why I often get an urge to be alone in nature and rid myself of all social access and live something like a character in a Mark Twain book
“Our concern is not how to worship in the catacombs but how to remain human in the skyscrapers.”
- Abraham Joshua Heschel
Feels like at the end of that ramble he just goes "well, anyway" and then the two sit and enjoy their drinks in abject silence.
These words ring true
Damn... I have been saying this for years. Social and decolonial psychology really do open your eyes to this.
The books "Amusing ourselves to death" & "Brave new world" do seem to describe some of the big problems of our times.
But mostly "Amusing ourselves to death".
Its borderline insanity. You hear people talk about it through out history about social norms and patterns. It always comes back to the same thing. Its really just a matter of when, not if
oh, my dinner with andre, and i was gonna ask if it was mash. i know about this bc dan harmon. there was the abed bday ep and mort dinner rick andre(the mr nimbus ep)
timeless
Holy shit. If I knew it was like this I would already have watched it.
Heard about it from Abed.
Lol at all the comments going “omg how did Louis Malle (a stretch they would know that, because they have never seen this movie) predict all of this!1!!” because people on the Internet are apparently unable to fathom that people had thoughts before the 2010s. This is literally a concept as old as Brave New World. Literally nothing is unprecedented.
Literally shut up! It's still mind-blowing
@ Not really. People giving up their minds/rights/whatever for cheap convenience isn’t anything new.
@@zeltzamer4010that commenter is on a low brain wave. 😂. I agree with ur analysis. Brave new world, grave new world.
@@zeltzamer4010 But it is eternally relevant, because not enough people are fully aware. And it only has gotten worse since this film was made.
@ True enough, but I’d say that’s the case for most art worth its salt.
It's worse than that. We won't ever forget that we have feelings, we won't ever lose the need for both individuality and culture, and we'll always need meaning and continuity to make sense of everything, we evolved with these things for hundreds of millennia, we won't evolve out of them anytime soon. But increasingly we're forgetting *how* to go about these things, how to process them, how to create them, sustain them, make them ours.
We're forgetting how to be human, but we're still human. So our human needs go on unmet, and so we live on in constant agony, looking for the next thing that will shut out the pain for a little while. Yet the solution can't be found until we stop trying to numb this agony, and start letting it speak, start listening to ourselves and our suppressed pains. The answer is within the pain itself, in listening to it and not ignoring it, not in some coveted external pleasure.
Shining truth.