I eat simarily. Great way to eat! So glad nutritionists and others are FINALLY not enabling those who don't want to change. Those who don't want to change will find another excuse to eat junk, however.
thanks. I do have 1 other question if it's alright - as you kind of eat like I do: what's the biggest expense for an individual food of yours?@@LibraryTechAnna
I totally agree with Dr. Hana! I don’t miss dairy, meat and eggs. I’ve tried new grains to mix with my beans and veggie bowls. Go to the Aldi in your area!
Since becoming WFPB, although I'm on a budget I love treating myself to quality fruit and veggies because I no longer buy salmon, meat, expensive eggs, cheese or oils of any kind. It's a win-win situation: you lose weight, gain health and you also have some spare money to invest in nice clothes that you will actually look great in, now you've lost some weight. Thank you Dr Hana and the inimitable Chuck, I love love your channel and recommend it to everyone as you are so trustworthy and helpful
I haven’t lost any weight on a vegan diet. It’s all remained the same. I don’t know how other people lose weight when they’re surrounded by delicious food.
@@AtheistEvePlease read the ingredients. Are you consuming a whole plant based food, or ultra refined food void of fiber and nutrients, and full of refined flour, oil, sugar and salt?
@@allee3476 Guilty as charged. I spend a lot of time prepping veggies, pulses, salads etc. Cooking from scratch. But I often don’t have time for the whole fandango and reach for the ready meals. My downfalls are crisps and vino relaxo.
@@AtheistEve Totally understand. The first few years of my whole food plant based journey consisted almost entirely of fresh fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds and whole grains. I lost weight effortlessly on it but that was when I lived in a city where the supermarket was just a walking distance away from me; I bought only enough to finish the produce before they spoiled and could replenish them easily. All that changed when I moved to a rural area where once a week-10 days grocery shopping was done at a town about 30 minutes away. Any bulk bought greens wouldn’t last many days and would end up in my compost pile, so I had to resort to canned and frozen food. Slowly my weight started to creep back up.
I save so much money now eating chickpeas, lentils, kidney beans, potatoes, carrots, brocoli, and bananas on a daily basis. Before i was vegan, i ate mostly frozen processed meals of dead body parts. Wish i had known back then that plants are the cheapest foods.
well that makes sense though - if you look at the labor violations of the banana industry - for instance, it's no wonder why it's cheap. It's kind of sad how the video only angles the costs from one side - the consumer's - but doesn't really explain why the lower cost comes at a cost. Illegal food - like bushmeat - will be cheaper than regular meat. Is that something to celebrate? No - because we have to think about why things are cheaper - who's paying for it and why. Why is meat so cheap from subsidies. The reason why bananas are so cheap is due to a labor-exploitative banana industry with a tainted past that allows for the costs to remain low at the sake of workers. Something to look up. I'd question everything - the shadiness behind what looks too good to be true. All that glitters may not be gold. Who's paying for you to have cheap bananas?
@@lukeweaver9287 I've seen that - they get a little invasive at that - a little too easy. If I grow anything - it's basil and other nutrient dense herbs. Keep it simple lol. Plus saves the wallet from expensive grocery herbs.
@@teegee289 you know what? I do too. You're not alone on this. While I did feel pretty happy to have totinos and know what to eat - well the amy's vegan version just wasn't hte same. However, it didn't matter - because the chocolate milk was so horrendous for giving my hips pain (at 12 years old) - that honestly it didn't matter. I looked and found foods by the brand that were vegan and tasted way better than anything I knew - like their taquitos.
I just got back from my weekly run to my favorite farm stand. I got 2lb green beans, 2 cauliflower, 2 summer squash, 6 tomatoes, 6 corn and 2 bags of arugula for $17. I'll supplement the veggies with 2 blocks of tofu, a couple cans of beans, steel cut oats and freekeh are the grains of the week. I'll use some odds and ends from around the kitchen like a handful of nuts here, an onion there, basic things. My big spend was 1/2 peck of peaches from a local orchard for $15 - peach season is almost over so i had to! I'm going to freeze a lot of them so it's all good. So somewhere around $50 for the week, maybe $60. Not bad!
@@happycook6737 in summer I'm lucky to have my farm stands. I do freeze as much as I can. In winter I get my produce from a purveyor that also sells in bulk to restaurants. They are very inexpensive but you have to buy larger quantities than the grocery store (3 heads of lettuce instead of 1, for example). I also sometimes shop for produce at ethnic markets as they are less expensive than grocery stores. Perhaps there are options in your area?
how would I know if I don't eat meat. The last time I checked - the meat was still cheaper than beyond meat, but that was comparing it to $6/lb. So maybe there is?
rice is 30 cents/lb for the dry, so cooked is only a few cents a pound. I will eat rice before tofu - that is surprisingly expensive when you look at it.
I used to be junkie vegan and I was eating ramens, pasta, chips, bread. I would make my own wgite flour bread, white rice cuury. I used to spend less. When I changed my lifestyle to eat healthy where I now buy nuts, fresh produce. I do spend more. However I have saved a big amount of potential hospital bills.
I share videos on my RUclips channel about how our family of four has made a WFPB lifestyle work for us for the past 14 years. Keeping it simple with whole starches, frozen veggies and in season fruit keeps this way of eating both cost-effective and low maintenance.
It’s the maintenance side that makes things difficult for me, while I’m going through a patch of fatigue. All the prep and involved cooking. Healthy food from scratch is high maintenance and takes a bit of planning ahead.
Fantastic! I don't need to explain to non-vegans anymore that my beans are cheaper than their burgers or steaks😅 Instead I will just point to this extremely comprehensive study❤
The full fat dairy is interesting when you think of it in the Nina Tiecholz low carb high fat narrative. Tiecholz whole schpeel is that eating low fat food is why everyone in USA is unhealthy and its all Ancel Keys fault. Seems like the stats show people aren't eating low fat, and technically Ancel Keys (sources of Mediterranean diet as a reccomendation) was more about healthy sources of reasonable amounts of fat like olive oil. Crazy how people spin their yarns.
She made a very important point hinting at the very broad price range of produce, especially the fresh one. It does not only depend on the store type but also on region & season and (!) on the variety and level of nutrition you go for . Where I live the prices for plant milk, plant yogurt (soy being the cheapest) and all other plant “dairy” products are more than double than the animal versions regardless of the store/ chain. Leafy 🥬 greens (especially kale) are always in the high premium price ranks and if you add the precious nuts and seeds (😍hemp but prices 🙈) those great rainbow salads result in pricy treats. Whole wheat pasta is 50% more expensive than the common type. And all these prices are not even for organic produce. As a single person living in an apartment with quite limited fridge & freezer space it is a challenge to compensate prices with frozen veggies & fruits or buying stuff in bulk. To eat healthy permanently - defined here as getting let’s say 80% of the micronutrients (!) from food (supplementing the typical like B12, D3, Omega3 etc.), getting in enough fibre (50+ g?) to make Dr.Bulsiewicz and my gut microbiology happy, minding the fat content and balancing all that out with the calories you have in the bank to spend per day and your investment in time for prepping and (batch) cooking is demanding. I follow Dr. Greger & Dr. Fuhrmanns style of eating and track everything I eat via cronometer (I just love numbers😊) and it takes a lot of commitment and knowledge to make that work all the time. And if I you slack you end up with a deficit of 20-40% of certain nutrients over the course of the year. The older I get the more I want to protect me from deficits of intake as it becomes more challenging to metabolise foods anyway. To use classical dairy products, an egg here and there as well as some lean meat or some fish (both as a condiment) would actually make it cheaper -and easier in many ways but NOT healthier. I am NOT advocating for eating animal products and could not eat them, I am just stating the sad facts in my living environment.
As a medical student, who can't have a job, because studies nuke 10 hours of my time, eating plant based give me a salary because I save so much money and eat whole foods that are etremely tasty and the healthness reslly making me a happy man as opposed to my extremely sad past. I save lots of money on dentists, haven't been in years and last time I was there, they told me I had the best oral health they've ever seen, which was not going for 2 years
For me, it’s not the cost, it’s all the prep involved with fresh food. If I want to avoid the easy option of ready meals and so on, there’s all that washing, peeling, scraping, chopping, overnight soaking, pressure cooking prep etc. Also, veg cooking is more interactive on the hob as a cook than simply bunging some ready meal in an oven for 20 minutes. On top of that, last few years I’ve been growing my own. So that’s involved even more processing: dehydrating, preserving, freezing all the gluts. I’m retired, so I have the time. I don’t know how busy families cope with the time pressure of getting off ready meals (vegan or not) for health. Just slamming vegan burgers in an oven with some chips and a tin of baked beans is so much quicker than producing a beautiful channa masala with daal & naan bread, or a delicious deep dish lasagne from scratch.
You don't have to cook fancy. I cook my beans in the microwave. I chop my vegetables between studying for classes and between exercising. Even if I can't sleep at night I go to the kitchen and prepare vegetables. Raw fruits & vegetables don't require and prep time except washing them.
@@annemccarron2281 Dried beans usually require some planning ahead. Veggies generally require some chopping if they’re going to form part of a meal. Can’t just flop an unprepared pepper, courgette and onion on a plate and say “voila!”. I love seeing one pot, one tray oven recipes, where all the ingredients get thrown in together and just baked/stewed in the oven. If only my oven had a timer.
@@avinashtyagi2 I’ve found the peas and sweetcorn are very good. But, fresh broccoli, carrots, spuds etc are usually cheaper and better tasting than frozen, particularly home grown veg. Also, more likely to be available in organic versions. Can’t freeze a salad. I love salads - I’d rather eat them than a pile of steamed veg.
I wonder if part of it is that some people, that are WFPB, eat less food in comparison to people that are eating the SAD. It's only my observation, when I watch my friends and family. The amount of food they eat in comparison to Vegans seems to be higher. I think Dr. Fuhrman had said it was the nutrition level that has something to do with the amount of food you eat.
The study says that the "funder/sponsor" viz. The PCRM, had "no role in the design and conduct of the study, ... had no role in the manuscript, etc..." But it also says that Barnard (I presume Neal Barnard) designed it , helpd draft the manuscript etc, and that he is the president of the PCRM. Isn't that inconsistent?
well that's because you're presuming 'barnard' is neil barnard. It sounds like you're conflating to the point of confusing yourself. That's where you're finding your own inconsistencies. Instead of pointing out your own inconsistencies - why not check if it is dr barnard and then talk?
@@extropiantranshuman Yes I presumed it was Neil D. Barnard since context highly suggested that. Taking a second look at the paper now, I can now _confirm_ that it's him, since the section where it says some mysterious figure by the name of "barnard", was responsible for: "concept and design", "drafting of manuscript", "funding", and "supervision", is labeled " _author_ contributions" and going up to the top of the study the only _author_ listed with the surname of "Barnard" is Neil D. Barnard (or are you going to tell me that maybe it's a different Neil D. Barnard? Who maybe also just so happens to have an association with the PCRM and George Washington university?) So again. How can they claim that the PCRM had no role in XYZ of the study, when it also says explicitly that the PRESIDENT of the PCRM contributed to XYZ of the study?
It doesn't actually say who was the person who funded PCRM to fund this study. Maybe the donor wasn't a part of the study. It says that Dr. Barnard didn't receive compensation - it's not clear that he funded this. It just says the organization funded it, but is not connected to the actions of the individual. These days - many organizations and businesses aren't connected to what individuals do. Maybe they're hiding the name of the donor behind the PCRM name for anonymity? I can see how hiding someone's name can create confusion, but I liken it advertisements on a tv channel. Yes the channel presented it - but it doesn't represent the channel's viewpoints. They tell everyone they're not responsible, but of course they are for putting it on their channel - just not for the individual opinions. Hope that helps. I think I see something else - maybe even though Dr. Barnard is a part of the physician's committee - this was a study that was done on his own outside of PCRM. PCRM only supported his individual work via funding it. It's like if you give someone money - what they do with it - you weren't a part of the decisions after you gave them money. @@ericm9495
@@extropiantranshuman "It doesn't actually say who was the person who funded PCRM to fund this study" What does this mean? It says the PCRM as an entity funded the study. That the _is_ funder. Where the PCRM in turn got their money doesn't matter. "It says that Dr. Barnard didn't receive compensation - it's not clear that he funded this". I never said he got compensated. It IS clear that the organization he is the PRESIDENT of is funding it. If you want to split hairs and say that's not _him_ _as_ _a_ _person_ funding it and that makes it ok, I don't know what to tell you. "It just says the organization funded it, but is not connected to the actions of the individual. These days - many organizations and businesses aren't connected to what individuals do." ???? an organization, just _is_ the individuals that make it up. What do you mean by "not connected"? "connected" is the most generic, least specific term to use here. of course, they are absolutely connected. If their hiding the name of another donor behind the PCRM for anonymity, that is an even worse failure of transparency than what I've been suggesting. Would you accept this sort of sloppiness from any other organization? Suppose the Tobacco Committee for Responsible Lungs, had billy bob as their president, and the TCRL funded a study done by president billy bob showing that smokers had saved lots of money on end of life care (just one of the benefits of dying early! brought to you by marlboro!) That sounds pretty bad on its own and it's a ridiculuos hypothetical, but that isn't the point. The issue is suppose they also said in their paper "The funder had no role in the design,writing... of this study". even though the president of the funder is doing the study. Wouldn't you want an explanation as to how they could say the funder had no role in the study, even though the president of the funder is conducting it? Wouldn't that raise some eyebrows to you, and make you want more details about how their allowed to say that? Would you accept the explanations that your giving me, if someone said them about the TCRL? "The actions of billy bob, the president of the TCRL is different from the TCRL", "maybe the TCRL is just hiding their real donors name" "billy bob conducted the study outside of the TCRL"? I don't even think there is anything corrupt or malignant going on. I think most likely the PCRM just overlooked this. But I like the PCRM and just want them to do better.
I love these podcasts! I would love toeat this way but,I'm in remission from Crohns and I do bloat easily,I'm afraid that this WFPB diet might make it worse,not sure what to do. 😊
exactly - if you drink alcohol - you probably have higher food costs than someone who eats meat and doesn't drink. Good point. Alcohol's extremely expensive.
I imagine with the price of dairy and meat going up so much more then whole foods at the moment the savings might be even bigger now? I would love to see those numbers. Bags or cans of beans are still pretty cheap, produce and grains have gone up some but not as bad as meat has. The food lasts longer too, get a lot of meals out of bags of beans or whole grains.🤔
when I was eating meat - the costs were $2 per 8 hot dogs. It's much cheaper than if I go to the grocery store for berries - a case of blueberries is $5. We have to factor in inflation - but even back then - the reason why I ate meat was because it was cheap and satiating - although it did give me stomach pains to eat (but the thing is - vegan food does too - so no difference there). I know meat surged in price, and I haven't done a comparison - the animal products are still cheaper last time I checked a few days ago - so I'm still paying more by being vegan if I went to a grocery store or a restaurant. I foot the extra costs - because I'm retired and can afford it. I can also afford it - because I supplement with foraging. If you look at foraging - then well animals would be more protected in the wild - so maybe it would be cheaper for society as a whole? Idk - others dictate what I eat when I buy food - because I live iwth other people in a location I don't want to live in. If I lived on my own - would meat be cheaper? I have no idea - I don't have the ability to look. Veganism isn't about food costs. Whatever fewer food costs - you're paying to charities with. Veganism is as cheap or expensive as you make it. So is eating animal products. Someone who dumpster dives for animal products will have the cheapest meals of anyone vegan - unless the vegans dumpster dive too - and then everyone's eating cheap. But that's also illegal - which is also why costs aren't a talking point - because anything that is less money for you - means someone else is footing the cost. That shouldn't be celebrated, but scrutinized - especially when it comes to illegality (labor violations, etc.) and destruction. While meat is subsidized - trust me - plant products are too. Should helping animals come at a sacrifice to societal morals? It's important that we really truly think about talking points for veganism before it makes veganism look bad. Not everything that seems good is - and if we celebrate it - we might look foolish later when found out. I'm not paying for blood avocados just because it's cheaper - that cheapness is on the backs of others. Not worth it. And that brings up another point - that when it's cheaper - it can be because it's more environmentally destructive too. They might clear cut forests illegally just to make a sale. If we really want to be truly vegan - we'd pay higher prices for non-deforesting foods and to pay workers fairly. However, if you want all that - might as well grow your own food. But then - we'd have to have another study about the costs of each of those. In the end though - when it all boils down to money, it misses the whole point - that money shouldn't come before ethics. I really want to see the physician's committee go back to talking points of health and ethics - because money is a non-issue - you'll pay for how much you can get. Whatever you don't pay for - will be paid for in suffering. Instead of a race to the bottom for costs - we should think about how we can race upwards to pay vegan businesses as much as we can for them to survive and thrive. So yes - I pay extra for my meals. If people can't afford it - then they're not vegan-worthy. They should try to pay more to be a good person, as complaining just adds insult to injury in terms of how bad of a person they are. Work harder, make more money - no excuse. If you don't want bad in the world - don't make it possible! End of story lol.
talk about why the foods are cheap - rather than 'your costs are cheap' and then I'll listen. When there's an uncanny valley of cheap costs, people feel imposter syndrome come on - for good reason. When someone gives something to you unsolicited - who are they taking from? It's weird. I'd rather food be harder to get and more expensive than someone having an undeserved life - that's me. Let's address how to remove human, wildlife, etc. exploitation from vegan food and then we're talking.
Apparently the US is a paradise for vegans. In my local store (in Tokyo) soy yogurt is more expensive than a regular dairy one. The same for soy milk. A single apple costs $1.5. Being vegan here is definitely more expensive...
when you're a beginner - it's way more expensive - because you have to experiment with a lot of new foods before you find what you like. My food costs were so much higher when I went vegan a 2nd time - that I starved, because I couldn't afford the experimentation costs. There was no youtube back then - and if there was - there were no 'vegan food taste tests'. So back then - meat was cheaper - because there's fewer choices and it's consistent and known to work. Because of the variety of options - it does inflate the costs. While this video wants to play around iwth statistics - I do believe people are telling the truth when it comes to their life that the numbers don't lie and that it is more expensive for them. I didn't see the video address if a meal's more expensive for someone being vegan - what do they do? Do they work more jobs, get more pay, make a compromise? I'm waiting to see that video - that would be a way better video than this one trying to 'prove' everyone wrong while not actually doing so. It did so a little, but it's only a 20 minute video. It really doesn't show the big picture of the nuances. And the thing is - you can't put the entire economy of the world in a 20 minute video. I commend the study and the looking into it, but it's 1 study. It's a beginning, it's not the 'word' on what's going on. I wish it was portrayed more realistically - this video. It came off a little out-of-touch while trying to be in touch. Not all of the video was bad - Chuck looked like he had a new look going - that was pretty cool - when he was getting the actual reading materials going - and reading while talking at the same time. I really liked that! I like when people are googling and reading and looking at what's being said while it's happening during the video! Not all of the video was bad - it was a cool guest too and nice study, but the presentation of it with the conclusions reached that avoided scrutinizing as to exactly why - that was off for me.
That may be so...but I would guess the animal products in the study were not feed with organic feed...so I guess that would be a wash, right? I suppose they could buy organic for the veggies on the dirty dozen list with the savings to try and keep the costs down.
I am a cheap vegan and eat conventional foods from Lidl mostly. Why do you have to give up animal products and eat organic? By giving up animal products, you eliminate 95% of the pesticides already.
@@claudinestone6152I asked my doctor if I need to buy organic fruit & veg. He said it is better organic BUT if one can't afford organic (me) then far better to eat conventional produce than not eat any produce.
@@happycook6737 unless you have cancer, as I stated as this is science, by eating plants you already eliminate 95% of the pesticides so 5% for most all people WILL NOT make a difference. Just like if you eat broccoli instead of kale. That is not the problem why people are dying in the US. If you want to eat the healthiest diet, of course it will cost you a lot of money! But the problem is not that people arent eating tons of blueberries and kale, its because they eat a rich diet of processed foods and animal products.
plants can be cheap, but also really expensive. Saffron is tens of thousands per pound, but I heard some tuna's also thousands per pound. Other expensive vegan foods are vanilla - about $600/lb, and blue spirulina - another one at around $400/lb. Some mushrooms are in the 1000s, but I'm not talking truffles. The most expensive is tuna - that's millions of dollars per tuna - but still is cheaper than saffron. Saffron is the most expensive food per pound - and it's vegan!!!
what does your question have to do with the budgets of people? The video title says nothing about 'ordinary people'. Veganism can be more or less expensive based on how you create it. The statistics this person shows is irrelevant in that. Sure - maybe it's cheaper for the average person, but it can be the most expensive for the wealthier ones - it's all relative. Why are you so focused only on ordinary people, when veganism is for everyone? You seem to be discriminating based on economic status.@@Firebuck
when you can forage for plants - much more easily than foraging for animals - which require more resources to hunt down - it's much cheaper eating right off the tree or out of the ground. You burn more calories than you eat chasing the animals - makes little sense.
I live in the desert, what do you think grows out here that someone could live on? There is virtually no edible plants that you could forage. The Native Americans that lived here in the past ate birds and small animals.
@@janedough6575 well I live not only in a desert but a mountain at that. A mountainous desert - but a lot grows that can be lived off of - I mean how else can I survive. The native americans where I live ate plants. Would you like to be more specific on this 'desert' (as your desert might not be my desert) - or would you like me to list the foods where I live that grows around here?
@@janedough6575 I've been to southern nevada many times. I live in southern california - we both live in hot desert. In fact much of what grows where I live grows where you live. In fact - the plants where you live have 'california' in the name. A google search shows sage, yucca, yarrow, creosote, etc. Check it out yourself to see! When I forage - a bite lasts me much of the day - you just don't need much to live off of. Besides - if you really have to - you can grow your own food - which is also cheap. Maybe you live in a city where they clear-cut the native plants to build buildings. They did that where I live. If we left nature alone and didn't encroach - we wouldn't be left without plants for food! Because of this - you will just have to look and seek further for your food sources - like wild animals have to. If it's hard for you, it's hard for them. It's getting worse with climate change too! The challenge in foraging makes us think about our environmental damages and what we can do to fix it - even if we find no food (because the activity is worth it just for that - you can forage even when you see nothing). Well the thing is - a lot of youtubers that grow food live out in california. Foraging isn't always in the wild - there's also urban foraging where there's overgrowths on the sidewalk. Plus if you watch crime pays but botany doesn't - he I believe visits nevada and I see what's edible from it. Well I used to be like you until I looked around. On my website is a list of edibles that I found where I live - it's under the page 'edible weeds' if you search. At the very least - you probably can find some cactus. That grows in the desert. No - you don't have to plant anything unless you want to. It is nice for the plant to propagate it instead of eating it all up. Sure you can grow your own too.
I live in NY and a week of grocery is 175.00 and I have one income SS….I can’t afford $700 a month on food and I live alone….. now I understand the term food insecurity. I began WFPB two years ago and lost only 17lbs, no one talks about those who experience very little weight loss and they make it seem this lifestyle is for everyone and works for everyone. Well let me tell you it doesn’t. I’ve lost very little weight and I’m still have the health conditions.
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I live on potatoes, rice, beans, veggies, smoothies, oatmeal, frozen fruit and 1 coffee a day.
how's the expenses for that?
@@extropiantranshumanLow savings are epic! 🥳🎆
I eat simarily. Great way to eat! So glad nutritionists and others are FINALLY not enabling those who don't want to change. Those who don't want to change will find another excuse to eat junk, however.
@extropiantranshuman not bad. It's about $50 a week for me.
thanks. I do have 1 other question if it's alright - as you kind of eat like I do: what's the biggest expense for an individual food of yours?@@LibraryTechAnna
I totally agree with Dr. Hana! I don’t miss dairy, meat and eggs. I’ve tried new grains to mix with my beans and veggie bowls. Go to the Aldi in your area!
Since becoming WFPB, although I'm on a budget I love treating myself to quality fruit and veggies because I no longer buy salmon, meat, expensive eggs, cheese or oils of any kind. It's a win-win situation: you lose weight, gain health and you also have some spare money to invest in nice clothes that you will actually look great in, now you've lost some weight. Thank you Dr Hana and the inimitable Chuck, I love love your channel and recommend it to everyone as you are so trustworthy and helpful
I haven’t lost any weight on a vegan diet. It’s all remained the same. I don’t know how other people lose weight when they’re surrounded by delicious food.
A very good trade off if you consider all the money you save on the cost of medication.
@@AtheistEvePlease read the ingredients. Are you consuming a whole plant based food, or ultra refined food void of fiber and nutrients, and full of refined flour, oil, sugar and salt?
@@allee3476 Guilty as charged. I spend a lot of time prepping veggies, pulses, salads etc. Cooking from scratch. But I often don’t have time for the whole fandango and reach for the ready meals. My downfalls are crisps and vino relaxo.
@@AtheistEve Totally understand. The first few years of my whole food plant based journey consisted almost entirely of fresh fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds and whole grains. I lost weight effortlessly on it but that was when I lived in a city where the supermarket was just a walking distance away from me; I bought only enough to finish the produce before they spoiled and could replenish them easily. All that changed when I moved to a rural area where once a week-10 days grocery shopping was done at a town about 30 minutes away. Any bulk bought greens wouldn’t last many days and would end up in my compost pile, so I had to resort to canned and frozen food. Slowly my weight started to creep back up.
I save so much money now eating chickpeas, lentils, kidney beans, potatoes, carrots, brocoli, and bananas on a daily basis.
Before i was vegan, i ate mostly frozen processed meals of dead body parts. Wish i had known back then that plants are the cheapest foods.
well that makes sense though - if you look at the labor violations of the banana industry - for instance, it's no wonder why it's cheap. It's kind of sad how the video only angles the costs from one side - the consumer's - but doesn't really explain why the lower cost comes at a cost.
Illegal food - like bushmeat - will be cheaper than regular meat. Is that something to celebrate? No - because we have to think about why things are cheaper - who's paying for it and why. Why is meat so cheap from subsidies.
The reason why bananas are so cheap is due to a labor-exploitative banana industry with a tainted past that allows for the costs to remain low at the sake of workers. Something to look up. I'd question everything - the shadiness behind what looks too good to be true. All that glitters may not be gold.
Who's paying for you to have cheap bananas?
@extropiantranshuman It is very easy to grow bananas yourself, but I don't eat them because they contain too much sugar.
@@lukeweaver9287 I've seen that - they get a little invasive at that - a little too easy. If I grow anything - it's basil and other nutrient dense herbs. Keep it simple lol. Plus saves the wallet from expensive grocery herbs.
Remember eating totinos pizzas like 5 times a week.... White bread.... Milk chocolate... Being plant based makes me feel so much better.
@@teegee289 you know what? I do too. You're not alone on this. While I did feel pretty happy to have totinos and know what to eat - well the amy's vegan version just wasn't hte same. However, it didn't matter - because the chocolate milk was so horrendous for giving my hips pain (at 12 years old) - that honestly it didn't matter. I looked and found foods by the brand that were vegan and tasted way better than anything I knew - like their taquitos.
I just got back from my weekly run to my favorite farm stand. I got 2lb green beans, 2 cauliflower, 2 summer squash, 6 tomatoes, 6 corn and 2 bags of arugula for $17. I'll supplement the veggies with 2 blocks of tofu, a couple cans of beans, steel cut oats and freekeh are the grains of the week. I'll use some odds and ends from around the kitchen like a handful of nuts here, an onion there, basic things. My big spend was 1/2 peck of peaches from a local orchard for $15 - peach season is almost over so i had to! I'm going to freeze a lot of them so it's all good. So somewhere around $50 for the week, maybe $60. Not bad!
My area doesn't have good produce prices anywhere. Lucky you.
@@happycook6737 in summer I'm lucky to have my farm stands. I do freeze as much as I can. In winter I get my produce from a purveyor that also sells in bulk to restaurants. They are very inexpensive but you have to buy larger quantities than the grocery store (3 heads of lettuce instead of 1, for example). I also sometimes shop for produce at ethnic markets as they are less expensive than grocery stores. Perhaps there are options in your area?
16 oz of organic tofu at Whole Foods is only 1.79 where I live. ❤ Compare that to most meats per pound.
how would I know if I don't eat meat. The last time I checked - the meat was still cheaper than beyond meat, but that was comparing it to $6/lb. So maybe there is?
rice is 30 cents/lb for the dry, so cooked is only a few cents a pound. I will eat rice before tofu - that is surprisingly expensive when you look at it.
Not to mention the savings of Rx you'll be able to cut back on or eventually stop altogether.
I used to be junkie vegan and I was eating ramens, pasta, chips, bread. I would make my own wgite flour bread, white rice cuury. I used to spend less. When I changed my lifestyle to eat healthy where I now buy nuts, fresh produce. I do spend more. However I have saved a big amount of potential hospital bills.
Excellent! It helps to know in detail!
I share videos on my RUclips channel about how our family of four has made a WFPB lifestyle work for us for the past 14 years. Keeping it simple with whole starches, frozen veggies and in season fruit keeps this way of eating both cost-effective and low maintenance.
I will check out
It’s the maintenance side that makes things difficult for me, while I’m going through a patch of fatigue. All the prep and involved cooking. Healthy food from scratch is high maintenance and takes a bit of planning ahead.
@@AtheistEve frozen veg saves a LOT of prep. Also, check out Instant pot (or another brand of electronic pressure cooker). It's a game changer.
Fantastic! I don't need to explain to non-vegans anymore that my beans are cheaper than their burgers or steaks😅
Instead I will just point to this extremely comprehensive study❤
I love Dr. Kahleova!
This is my favorite guest!!!
The full fat dairy is interesting when you think of it in the Nina Tiecholz low carb high fat narrative. Tiecholz whole schpeel is that eating low fat food is why everyone in USA is unhealthy and its all Ancel Keys fault. Seems like the stats show people aren't eating low fat, and technically Ancel Keys (sources of Mediterranean diet as a reccomendation) was more about healthy sources of reasonable amounts of fat like olive oil. Crazy how people spin their yarns.
How much do you save if you factor in the lower cost of health care by adopting a WFPB diet?
Priceless savings! Being sick is truly terrible.
She made a very important point hinting at the very broad price range of produce, especially the fresh one. It does not only depend on the store type but also on region & season and (!) on the variety and level of nutrition you go for . Where I live the prices for plant milk, plant yogurt (soy being the cheapest) and all other plant “dairy” products are more than double than the animal versions regardless of the store/ chain. Leafy 🥬 greens (especially kale) are always in the high premium price ranks and if you add the precious nuts and seeds (😍hemp but prices 🙈) those great rainbow salads result in pricy treats. Whole wheat pasta is 50% more expensive than the common type. And all these prices are not even for organic produce. As a single person living in an apartment with quite limited fridge & freezer space it is a challenge to compensate prices with frozen veggies & fruits or buying stuff in bulk. To eat healthy permanently - defined here as getting let’s say 80% of the micronutrients (!) from food (supplementing the typical like B12, D3, Omega3 etc.), getting in enough fibre (50+ g?) to make Dr.Bulsiewicz and my gut microbiology happy, minding the fat content and balancing all that out with the calories you have in the bank to spend per day and your investment in time for prepping and (batch) cooking is demanding.
I follow Dr. Greger & Dr. Fuhrmanns style of eating and track everything I eat via cronometer (I just love numbers😊) and it takes a lot of commitment and knowledge to make that work all the time. And if I you slack you end up with a deficit of 20-40% of certain nutrients over the course of the year. The older I get the more I want to protect me from deficits of intake as it becomes more challenging to metabolise foods anyway. To use classical dairy products, an egg here and there as well as some lean meat or some fish (both as a condiment) would actually make it cheaper -and easier in many ways but NOT healthier. I am NOT advocating for eating animal products and could not eat them, I am just stating the sad facts in my living environment.
It can be little more for organic.than non organic.but junk diets can be more.
I just did the math . . . a Big Mac costs $11.33 per lb.!
how much is the bread, lettuce, etc. in that though?
As a medical student, who can't have a job, because studies nuke 10 hours of my time, eating plant based give me a salary because I save so much money and eat whole foods that are etremely tasty and the healthness reslly making me a happy man as opposed to my extremely sad past. I save lots of money on dentists, haven't been in years and last time I was there, they told me I had the best oral health they've ever seen, which was not going for 2 years
For me, it’s not the cost, it’s all the prep involved with fresh food. If I want to avoid the easy option of ready meals and so on, there’s all that washing, peeling, scraping, chopping, overnight soaking, pressure cooking prep etc. Also, veg cooking is more interactive on the hob as a cook than simply bunging some ready meal in an oven for 20 minutes.
On top of that, last few years I’ve been growing my own. So that’s involved even more processing: dehydrating, preserving, freezing all the gluts. I’m retired, so I have the time. I don’t know how busy families cope with the time pressure of getting off ready meals (vegan or not) for health.
Just slamming vegan burgers in an oven with some chips and a tin of baked beans is so much quicker than producing a beautiful channa masala with daal & naan bread, or a delicious deep dish lasagne from scratch.
You don't have to cook fancy. I cook my beans in the microwave. I chop my vegetables between studying for classes and between exercising. Even if I can't sleep at night I go to the kitchen and prepare vegetables. Raw fruits & vegetables don't require and prep time except washing them.
@@annemccarron2281 Dried beans usually require some planning ahead. Veggies generally require some chopping if they’re going to form part of a meal. Can’t just flop an unprepared pepper, courgette and onion on a plate and say “voila!”. I love seeing one pot, one tray oven recipes, where all the ingredients get thrown in together and just baked/stewed in the oven. If only my oven had a timer.
Frozen veggies
@@avinashtyagi2 I’ve found the peas and sweetcorn are very good. But, fresh broccoli, carrots, spuds etc are usually cheaper and better tasting than frozen, particularly home grown veg. Also, more likely to be available in organic versions. Can’t freeze a salad. I love salads - I’d rather eat them than a pile of steamed veg.
@AtheistEve Maybe. But frozen veggies are frozen at peak freshness, and are high in nutrients
What year were these prices? Because the prices on those pictures was about half about where I live.
I wonder if part of it is that some people, that are WFPB, eat less food in comparison to people that are eating the SAD. It's only my observation, when I watch my friends and family. The amount of food they eat in comparison to Vegans seems to be higher. I think Dr. Fuhrman had said it was the nutrition level that has something to do with the amount of food you eat.
The study says that the "funder/sponsor" viz. The PCRM, had "no role in the design and conduct of the study, ... had no role in the manuscript, etc..." But it also says that Barnard (I presume Neal Barnard) designed it , helpd draft the manuscript etc, and that he is the president of the PCRM. Isn't that inconsistent?
well that's because you're presuming 'barnard' is neil barnard. It sounds like you're conflating to the point of confusing yourself. That's where you're finding your own inconsistencies. Instead of pointing out your own inconsistencies - why not check if it is dr barnard and then talk?
@@extropiantranshuman Yes I presumed it was Neil D. Barnard since context highly suggested that. Taking a second look at the paper now, I can now _confirm_ that it's him, since the section where it says some mysterious figure by the name of "barnard", was responsible for: "concept and design", "drafting of manuscript", "funding", and "supervision", is labeled " _author_ contributions" and going up to the top of the study the only _author_ listed with the surname of "Barnard" is Neil D. Barnard (or are you going to tell me that maybe it's a different Neil D. Barnard? Who maybe also just so happens to have an association with the PCRM and George Washington university?) So again. How can they claim that the PCRM had no role in XYZ of the study, when it also says explicitly that the PRESIDENT of the PCRM contributed to XYZ of the study?
It doesn't actually say who was the person who funded PCRM to fund this study. Maybe the donor wasn't a part of the study. It says that Dr. Barnard didn't receive compensation - it's not clear that he funded this. It just says the organization funded it, but is not connected to the actions of the individual. These days - many organizations and businesses aren't connected to what individuals do.
Maybe they're hiding the name of the donor behind the PCRM name for anonymity? I can see how hiding someone's name can create confusion, but I liken it advertisements on a tv channel. Yes the channel presented it - but it doesn't represent the channel's viewpoints. They tell everyone they're not responsible, but of course they are for putting it on their channel - just not for the individual opinions. Hope that helps.
I think I see something else - maybe even though Dr. Barnard is a part of the physician's committee - this was a study that was done on his own outside of PCRM. PCRM only supported his individual work via funding it. It's like if you give someone money - what they do with it - you weren't a part of the decisions after you gave them money.
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@@extropiantranshuman "It doesn't actually say who was the person who funded PCRM to fund this study" What does this mean? It says the PCRM as an entity funded the study. That the _is_ funder. Where the PCRM in turn got their money doesn't matter.
"It says that Dr. Barnard didn't receive compensation - it's not clear that he funded this". I never said he got compensated. It IS clear that the organization he is the PRESIDENT of is funding it. If you want to split hairs and say that's not _him_ _as_ _a_ _person_ funding it and that makes it ok, I don't know what to tell you.
"It just says the organization funded it, but is not connected to the actions of the individual. These days - many organizations and businesses aren't connected to what individuals do." ???? an organization, just _is_ the individuals that make it up. What do you mean by "not connected"? "connected" is the most generic, least specific term to use here. of course, they are absolutely connected.
If their hiding the name of another donor behind the PCRM for anonymity, that is an even worse failure of transparency than what I've been suggesting.
Would you accept this sort of sloppiness from any other organization? Suppose the Tobacco Committee for Responsible Lungs, had billy bob as their president, and the TCRL funded a study done by president billy bob showing that smokers had saved lots of money on end of life care (just one of the benefits of dying early! brought to you by marlboro!) That sounds pretty bad on its own and it's a ridiculuos hypothetical, but that isn't the point. The issue is suppose they also said in their paper "The funder had no role in the design,writing... of this study". even though the president of the funder is doing the study. Wouldn't you want an explanation as to how they could say the funder had no role in the study, even though the president of the funder is conducting it? Wouldn't that raise some eyebrows to you, and make you want more details about how their allowed to say that? Would you accept the explanations that your giving me, if someone said them about the TCRL? "The actions of billy bob, the president of the TCRL is different from the TCRL", "maybe the TCRL is just hiding their real donors name" "billy bob conducted the study outside of the TCRL"? I don't even think there is anything corrupt or malignant going on. I think most likely the PCRM just overlooked this. But I like the PCRM and just want them to do better.
well if you'd like to deny the context, then there's not much else to say.@@ericm9495
I love these podcasts! I would love toeat this way but,I'm in remission from Crohns and I do bloat easily,I'm afraid that this WFPB diet might make it worse,not sure what to do. 😊
I'm just starting to remove animal products from my diet.
Excellent! You can do it!
good on you, I had so many problems with animal products and the high fat ! so much inspiration out there ! keep going
I take it this is per person, correct?
Oh and you'll save even more if you don't consume alcohol.
exactly - if you drink alcohol - you probably have higher food costs than someone who eats meat and doesn't drink. Good point. Alcohol's extremely expensive.
I imagine with the price of dairy and meat going up so much more then whole foods at the moment the savings might be even bigger now? I would love to see those numbers. Bags or cans of beans are still pretty cheap, produce and grains have gone up some but not as bad as meat has. The food lasts longer too, get a lot of meals out of bags of beans or whole grains.🤔
I love to hear people's stories!
when I was eating meat - the costs were $2 per 8 hot dogs. It's much cheaper than if I go to the grocery store for berries - a case of blueberries is $5. We have to factor in inflation - but even back then - the reason why I ate meat was because it was cheap and satiating - although it did give me stomach pains to eat (but the thing is - vegan food does too - so no difference there). I know meat surged in price, and I haven't done a comparison - the animal products are still cheaper last time I checked a few days ago - so I'm still paying more by being vegan if I went to a grocery store or a restaurant. I foot the extra costs - because I'm retired and can afford it. I can also afford it - because I supplement with foraging. If you look at foraging - then well animals would be more protected in the wild - so maybe it would be cheaper for society as a whole? Idk - others dictate what I eat when I buy food - because I live iwth other people in a location I don't want to live in. If I lived on my own - would meat be cheaper? I have no idea - I don't have the ability to look.
Veganism isn't about food costs. Whatever fewer food costs - you're paying to charities with. Veganism is as cheap or expensive as you make it. So is eating animal products. Someone who dumpster dives for animal products will have the cheapest meals of anyone vegan - unless the vegans dumpster dive too - and then everyone's eating cheap. But that's also illegal - which is also why costs aren't a talking point - because anything that is less money for you - means someone else is footing the cost. That shouldn't be celebrated, but scrutinized - especially when it comes to illegality (labor violations, etc.) and destruction. While meat is subsidized - trust me - plant products are too. Should helping animals come at a sacrifice to societal morals? It's important that we really truly think about talking points for veganism before it makes veganism look bad. Not everything that seems good is - and if we celebrate it - we might look foolish later when found out.
I'm not paying for blood avocados just because it's cheaper - that cheapness is on the backs of others. Not worth it. And that brings up another point - that when it's cheaper - it can be because it's more environmentally destructive too. They might clear cut forests illegally just to make a sale. If we really want to be truly vegan - we'd pay higher prices for non-deforesting foods and to pay workers fairly. However, if you want all that - might as well grow your own food. But then - we'd have to have another study about the costs of each of those. In the end though - when it all boils down to money, it misses the whole point - that money shouldn't come before ethics. I really want to see the physician's committee go back to talking points of health and ethics - because money is a non-issue - you'll pay for how much you can get. Whatever you don't pay for - will be paid for in suffering. Instead of a race to the bottom for costs - we should think about how we can race upwards to pay vegan businesses as much as we can for them to survive and thrive. So yes - I pay extra for my meals. If people can't afford it - then they're not vegan-worthy. They should try to pay more to be a good person, as complaining just adds insult to injury in terms of how bad of a person they are. Work harder, make more money - no excuse. If you don't want bad in the world - don't make it possible! End of story lol.
talk about why the foods are cheap - rather than 'your costs are cheap' and then I'll listen. When there's an uncanny valley of cheap costs, people feel imposter syndrome come on - for good reason. When someone gives something to you unsolicited - who are they taking from? It's weird. I'd rather food be harder to get and more expensive than someone having an undeserved life - that's me. Let's address how to remove human, wildlife, etc. exploitation from vegan food and then we're talking.
You can also save on electricity by not cooking your vegetables.
Apparently the US is a paradise for vegans. In my local store (in Tokyo) soy yogurt is more expensive than a regular dairy one. The same for soy milk. A single apple costs $1.5. Being vegan here is definitely more expensive...
And then there is savings on take out!
I no longer care for sweets now that I am Vegan. But a big red juicy apple, watermelon a banana.....that's sweet enough.
If you're spending alot of money eating Whole Food Plants SOS free, than you're buying the wrong shit.
when you're a beginner - it's way more expensive - because you have to experiment with a lot of new foods before you find what you like. My food costs were so much higher when I went vegan a 2nd time - that I starved, because I couldn't afford the experimentation costs. There was no youtube back then - and if there was - there were no 'vegan food taste tests'. So back then - meat was cheaper - because there's fewer choices and it's consistent and known to work. Because of the variety of options - it does inflate the costs. While this video wants to play around iwth statistics - I do believe people are telling the truth when it comes to their life that the numbers don't lie and that it is more expensive for them. I didn't see the video address if a meal's more expensive for someone being vegan - what do they do? Do they work more jobs, get more pay, make a compromise? I'm waiting to see that video - that would be a way better video than this one trying to 'prove' everyone wrong while not actually doing so. It did so a little, but it's only a 20 minute video. It really doesn't show the big picture of the nuances. And the thing is - you can't put the entire economy of the world in a 20 minute video. I commend the study and the looking into it, but it's 1 study. It's a beginning, it's not the 'word' on what's going on. I wish it was portrayed more realistically - this video. It came off a little out-of-touch while trying to be in touch. Not all of the video was bad - Chuck looked like he had a new look going - that was pretty cool - when he was getting the actual reading materials going - and reading while talking at the same time. I really liked that! I like when people are googling and reading and looking at what's being said while it's happening during the video! Not all of the video was bad - it was a cool guest too and nice study, but the presentation of it with the conclusions reached that avoided scrutinizing as to exactly why - that was off for me.
Vegan is cheap as long as you avoid dairy, egg, and meat analogues on a regular basis and have them only as a treat.
Not the way organic veggies cost lol
That may be so...but I would guess the animal products in the study were not feed with organic feed...so I guess that would be a wash, right? I suppose they could buy organic for the veggies on the dirty dozen list with the savings to try and keep the costs down.
Still less expensive than buying meat and cheese
I am a cheap vegan and eat conventional foods from Lidl mostly. Why do you have to give up animal products and eat organic? By giving up animal products, you eliminate 95% of the pesticides already.
@@claudinestone6152I asked my doctor if I need to buy organic fruit & veg. He said it is better organic BUT if one can't afford organic (me) then far better to eat conventional produce than not eat any produce.
@@happycook6737 unless you have cancer, as I stated as this is science, by eating plants you already eliminate 95% of the pesticides so 5% for most all people WILL NOT make a difference. Just like if you eat broccoli instead of kale. That is not the problem why people are dying in the US. If you want to eat the healthiest diet, of course it will cost you a lot of money! But the problem is not that people arent eating tons of blueberries and kale, its because they eat a rich diet of processed foods and animal products.
plants can be cheap, but also really expensive. Saffron is tens of thousands per pound, but I heard some tuna's also thousands per pound. Other expensive vegan foods are vanilla - about $600/lb, and blue spirulina - another one at around $400/lb. Some mushrooms are in the 1000s, but I'm not talking truffles. The most expensive is tuna - that's millions of dollars per tuna - but still is cheaper than saffron. Saffron is the most expensive food per pound - and it's vegan!!!
What does this have to do with the grocery bills of ordinary people?
what does your question have to do with the budgets of people? The video title says nothing about 'ordinary people'. Veganism can be more or less expensive based on how you create it. The statistics this person shows is irrelevant in that. Sure - maybe it's cheaper for the average person, but it can be the most expensive for the wealthier ones - it's all relative. Why are you so focused only on ordinary people, when veganism is for everyone? You seem to be discriminating based on economic status.@@Firebuck
How much saffron does anyone will usually buy? Few grams normally.
your point? It doesn't matter what an individual buys - it's about the scale. Of course, people don't buy much - it's too expensive!@@jyotimunyal5489
Rice and beans are so cheap
when you can forage for plants - much more easily than foraging for animals - which require more resources to hunt down - it's much cheaper eating right off the tree or out of the ground. You burn more calories than you eat chasing the animals - makes little sense.
I live in the desert, what do you think grows out here that someone could live on? There is virtually no edible plants that you could forage. The Native Americans that lived here in the past ate birds and small animals.
@@janedough6575 well I live not only in a desert but a mountain at that. A mountainous desert - but a lot grows that can be lived off of - I mean how else can I survive.
The native americans where I live ate plants.
Would you like to be more specific on this 'desert' (as your desert might not be my desert) - or would you like me to list the foods where I live that grows around here?
@@extropiantranshuman I’m in southern Nevada. There is nothing growing here unless you plant it yourself.
@@janedough6575 I've been to southern nevada many times. I live in southern california - we both live in hot desert. In fact much of what grows where I live grows where you live. In fact - the plants where you live have 'california' in the name. A google search shows sage, yucca, yarrow, creosote, etc. Check it out yourself to see! When I forage - a bite lasts me much of the day - you just don't need much to live off of. Besides - if you really have to - you can grow your own food - which is also cheap.
Maybe you live in a city where they clear-cut the native plants to build buildings. They did that where I live. If we left nature alone and didn't encroach - we wouldn't be left without plants for food! Because of this - you will just have to look and seek further for your food sources - like wild animals have to. If it's hard for you, it's hard for them. It's getting worse with climate change too! The challenge in foraging makes us think about our environmental damages and what we can do to fix it - even if we find no food (because the activity is worth it just for that - you can forage even when you see nothing).
Well the thing is - a lot of youtubers that grow food live out in california. Foraging isn't always in the wild - there's also urban foraging where there's overgrowths on the sidewalk. Plus if you watch crime pays but botany doesn't - he I believe visits nevada and I see what's edible from it.
Well I used to be like you until I looked around. On my website is a list of edibles that I found where I live - it's under the page 'edible weeds' if you search.
At the very least - you probably can find some cactus. That grows in the desert. No - you don't have to plant anything unless you want to. It is nice for the plant to propagate it instead of eating it all up. Sure you can grow your own too.
Compare beef jerky price to tofu....
I live in NY and a week of grocery is 175.00 and I have one income SS….I can’t afford $700 a month on food and I live alone….. now I understand the term food insecurity. I began WFPB two years ago and lost only 17lbs, no one talks about those who experience very little weight loss and they make it seem this lifestyle is for everyone and works for everyone. Well let me tell you it doesn’t. I’ve lost very little weight and I’m still have the health conditions.
for the wealthiest individuals the most expensive foods around are plants - but that's how the wealthy like it - the more expensive - the better!
What you save on animal products, you will spend for doctors.
To say nothing of the pain, suffering, and reduction in quality of life! As a cancer survivor I experienced this firsthand.
"Vegan Diet Is $500 Cheaper Than Eating Meat" Probably. And eating meat is 100% healthier than vegan diet. Definitely.
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@@janedough6575 Thank you!
@@lukeweaver9287 I was referring to @polibm6510’s comment. Lol.
@@janedough6575 Yes, I know. I was making a joke like he did! 😄
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