These Bowls Are Hurting Your Chickens... AND YOU!
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Black rubber bowls may contain lead that is transferring from your chickens, to their eggs, to you!
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I don't know...but, we have used the black bowls for over 20 years with no problems. I don't think there is any escape from anything. If it's not lead, it's something else. The air that we breathe. The water we drink. The food you buy at the store. Maybe use the galvanize in the summer or something else and use the black in the winter. Sometimes it can feel like you are a dog chasing your tail trying to stay healthy, avoiding this and that, do this instead of information. Thank you for the information.+
I agree, seems like almost nothing is good for us unless we can grow it ourselves and even that you never know now... thank you for watching!
I use a crock from a crockpot that we had. We save them. I also see them at thrift stores. They are food grade safe and heavy so the chickens don't knock em over. Also I can put ice in them in the summer and it lasts longer. I do use the rubber bowls for other locations though. Hmmmm.
That seems like a great idea!!
Fantastic idea! Can’t go wrong with thick heavy ceramic bowls!
We use charity shop crockpots on our smallholding for chichens to drink from in the UK. Easy to clean and sturdy. Good call, maryynz2no. 😊
What a fantastic idea - crock pots !!! I love it ! And an excuse to hit the flea market ! Thank you !
Good idea 👍
That makes TOTAL sense! And OMG I never thought about that rubber mulch on playgrounds. I’m so thankful for this information.
I wondered about those when I bought it - the smell was terrible and a year later it still has a hint of that smell. Thank you for alerting people. I really appreciate it !
There are some videos online of "perpetual stream" water systems for chickens that don't freeze during the winter. That might help.
As someone who works with galvanized steel daily I wanted to clear something up.
All galvanized coatings contain between 0.5%-1% lead. It is an impurity naturally found in the zinc used in the coating.
Acidic water can leach the lead over time into drinking water, it's why you can't cook with galvanized pots. We have to be super careful welding on galvanized beams do the lead fumes.
Stainless steel is basically inert however, so that may be an option, unfortunately there is no perfect material for this use case. Each has a strength with a trade off, it's about finding the right one for your situation.
Hope this helps
I know about the galvanized as well and I skipped ahead in the video and saw galvanized everywhere and that lead me to this comment... now I'm currently laughing. lol
NO... The worry with welding zinc isnt the lead its the zinc oxide which is posionous. Google metal fume fever, lead is in fact present but its not the major worry.
@@brad1367 No, the worry about welding anything Zinc is the AMAZING panic attack you'll get in an unventilated area.....it'll bring you to a god, your choice. Key is to drink a BIG glass of milk.
I picked up some old pie pans at the thrift store and dollar store kitty water bowls that self drain.
Both probably have some level of toxicity but let’s face it, practically everything we eat, drink out of have estrogen mimicers or trace toxins.
For instance, I’m all about buying organic when I can but most of it still is surrounded by plastic.
Heavy metals like lead are definitely scary and it’s an important topic to bring to the table.
Thanks Acres of Adventure family for all your valid content and time you spend to educate and entertain us.
Thanks for the heads up. Recycle tires for swings . I started using them for growing potatoes but changed my mind when i realised the lead in the tires I was using.
Thanks for this very important video ,i was about to purchase one of these black things but , i was a nurse for 12 years you only have to say LEAD once and I’m gone thanks from the bottom of my family’s heart ❤️
I was too! I was thinking "hey pretty much all the homestead people I watch have those and I need some new waterers I'ma get me some" but now I gonna get different ones.
I bought my own tests and tested mine and everything is negative
@@redbirdacreswi so it may be a crazy one off thing.
Thank you for sharing this information. I use the black bowls, and I never even thought about lead or heavy metals, being inside the bowl itself. I think I will change them out, just to be on the safe side.
Thanks for making this video. This is potentially important. We've always stayed away from these bowls due to their strong rubbery smell and now I'm glad we did. If they contain lead, that's good enough for me. I don't want to drink out of a container that contains lead and I don't want my livestock to either.
We never liked the smell either for them
Thank you so much. We used to use these rubber bowls for water and feed. We even had a tire inside the chicken run. For some reason we took them out but kept them for future use. Now we know better. We will make a video bout it too for more awareness and reference your video.
It is clear that you care and God will bless you for that.
I think that can be a possibility. Thanks for the info.😊 I think the heat can contribute to the rubber omitting the lead.
Yes I agree
I use tires like planters, and I received negative feedback about that. So, I started using plastic liners from manure and potting soil bags. This video reinforces what I heard from comments on my usage if those tires.
Galvanized steel has lead as well
I agree they it could be not as bad as the black rubber and I believe it only happens if it rust and is compromised from what I have read but who really knows
why not use stainless steel
@@isabellekeyzer stainless steel is more pricy
Stainless steel will last longer than galvanized steel.
Galvanized will leach zinc and other metals to the water eventually. I would rather go with food grade 5-10 gallons buckets and pecking nipples which keep water cleaner since water is inside a closed bucket. Either that or stainless steel pans.
My fiancé and I are getting one soon this is the most adorable thing ever!!! Can’t wait
The vulcanizing process of rubber uses lead oxide. While lead is not added to galvanizing, zinc is usually contaminated with lead. If you're wanting to eliminate lead exposure, you may need to keep looking for another option.
That is true! All plastics, specially blacks are a big NO! Thanks for the video and info 🙏
I had purchased one a few months ago; as I went to wash it and remove the sticker describing the item, that is when I read the label... It said something along the way of: not for use for humans as it is a carcinogenic! I am in Canada, possibly different labels, but needless to say, it went straight back to the store! 🐔🐓🐕
I didn’t notice a warning label when I bought mine - wish I would’ve !
Oh great...have to ditch the watering buckets! Hmmm now what! Thanks for this valuable info. An afterthought...wonder if you can put a safer material bowl inside the rubber one to insulate it during the winter months. PS JUST THOUGHT OF THIS...XL STAINLESS STEEL DOG WATERING BOWLS...
That's a great idea!
Or get a lead test, and test what you already have, to see if it is actually leaching lead.
You can still use the black bowl just put the metal bowl on top of the black one that will help in the winter time with the black to keep the metal balls from freezing
Thank you for the great advice, Acres of Adventure!
No problem!
Helpful. Thank you. Galvanized metals may be high in lead. I know it's high in chicken wire and cattle panel.
Thanks for the info, I think especially summer with the heat If this is truly an issue heat would make it worse.
The zinc coating on galvanized bowls contains lead too! Also galvanized pipes contain lead.
Thank you :) I enjoy your information and the way put to us.. Thanks again... shopping tomorrow even though i haven't used those rubber ones, i wanted to add one more water for summer sooooooooo, will not be the black rubber ones ;)
Glad that this helped you out!
A stainless steel bowl works well in the winter. The ice comes right out when you turn it upside down and pour a bit of water on it. Pops right out! Maybe putting the stainless steel bowl into a rubber bowl for added insulation in the winter might help slow down the freeze.
Great tip! Thank you for that!
I have called two of the top brands (waiting on a call back from a third) sold at TSC and other stores nationwide. Both said their products DO NOT contain lead.
Thank you for the information I use these bowls definitely going to be changing them npw.
For winter, I wonder if seedling heat mats would keep the tin pans from freezing. They're water proof and you could maybe place them underneath the pans, or even wrapped around a regular plastic chicken waterer.
I use the bowls you would have on the bottom of big potted plants usually ceramic I think. Short wide bowls similar shape with these & powerwaah them occasionally 👍🏽definitely like being able to see the cleanliness of the water in them👍🏽 thank you for another great video with very useful information
Maybe get double galvanized pans. Replace frozen with one without ice with fresh water. Thaw first galvanized bowl inside somewhere warm. Switch them once or twice a day? Just an idea. I just bought two rubber bowls and may take them back.
Put the galvanized steel pan inside of the rubber pan to insulate from freezing, the chickens won’t be drinking out of it.
Genius!
Galvanized steel also has lead in it. I’m sure the plastic tuff bowls will be fine.
I'm sure most of the things will be fine I just never heard about this and found it interesting to share. I think finished galvanized is fine if it starts to rust then you might have to worry
The important thing to note is the galvanized metal is not better.
I use stainless cooking pans I find at the thrift store. In the Montana winter I bring out hot water and top off the pans or pour the hot water on the bottom of the pan and the ice falls out.
Thats a good idea!
I use ice cream buckets from birthday parties…. 🤷♀️
Thats funny!
Thank you so much for this information! The pigs are adorable. 😊
I think we went to rubber bowls to slow freezing in the wintertime. Interesting. I can buy plastic or metal, easily.
Yeah not sure if we will switch for winter we will have to just see how these go first
wow thx for making this video I'll be sharing this on fb (I know a lot of chicken people) idk if any of them use the black rubber bowls or not but they might know someone who does
We use a heated watering system and a recirculating pump. Our birds have access through nipples on a 3”? pipe.
I really appreciate your videos. You recommended those black rubber bowls for watering chicken in the winter. Do you no longer recommend that?
Well this makes so much sense now to me. I bought these for my dog's when they're outside during the day and they refused to drink from them i mean they turned their heads to them lol like nope not drinking that water.. I'm in Florida so it's gets hot during the day.
With our chooks, we use a couple of stainless steel cooking pots from my kitchen.
Love your videos
Blessings from Australia 🇦🇺 🙏 ♥️💚
Update: I tested the water from one of my rubber bowls, Lead Content was 30 mg/L. This is 2000 Times the EPA Limit of 0.015 mg/L.
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Thanks for this info, did some googling after watching your video and this seems like a legitimate concern that I was not aware of.
I use a pvc pipe and nipple watering system, but do have some of those back rubber bowls around too.
Regarding the comments below about Galvanized metal also having lead, those bowls would not leach the lead nearly as much as black rubber.
Also found some articles about those 'child safe' recycled rubber playground services that are really just poisoning your kids.
Quote: "When lead dust is found on the surface of playgrounds, officials often try to solve the problem by power washing the dust off the surface."
Thanks for the explanation!
@@AcresOfAdventure I just posted a short to amplify this warning, and direct people to your video. We can't be the only ones who were not aware of this serious concern. How many cows drink out of buckets made from this material, and what is that doing to the milk?
Thanks again for posting this.
@@AcresOfAdventure I just tested rain water that was in one of these buckets for less than a day. Lead level was 30 mg/l The EPA Action Level for Lead is 0.015 mg/l , Thanks for bringing this issue to our attention. Video of the testing on my channel.
Rubber is the BEST for States that have freezing temperatures.
When the water freezes overnight then you can flip the rubber bowl over. Stomp the bottom which pops out the humongous iceberg; then refill with fresh water.
Can’t do that with plastic nor aluminum!!!
This is very true
I use stainless steel automatic waterer bowls, im in the tropics, so no freezing problems.
Thank you for the heads up. Now, I only use them for feed. Any idea of how much of a difference that would make compared to water sitting in it?
Using glass or metal containers as much as possible is really important. Rubber and plastic are linked to cancers, elevated hormone levels, and other health concerns. Good on ya for making the change!
I agree with you that a change is needed- even if your birds and family are fine- heavy metals accumulate. I think I’ll go with stainless steel. Thank you for bringing this up!
Ugh, I use those too. I wonder if one of those lead tests from home depot could be used to detect lead on the bowls. I have tried the galvanized steel and they all rusted pretty quickly. I guess it's back to the drawing board looking for a better option. Thanks for the heads up!
Thank you!! Stopped cooking breakfast and went and dumped my black bowls!!!
when the weather is more hot the Galvanized steel will make the water boil you'll have to change the water during the day or put it in the shadow.
As others have pointed out-galvanized isn't exactly healthy either. I'll have to do some research, but I would think their chickens would be showing signs of lead poisoning before people or at least adults. Lead can be found in all sorts of places, so hopefully the family that was affected continued searching for even more potential sources too. It's getting to the point where nothing is safe anymore.
Off the Internet:
Black Plastic often made from e-waste
Many of these products end up being made from the plastic parts of electronic and electrical equipment waste (e-waste). The problem is that electronics typically contain toxic substances like the flame retardant bromine; antimony; and heavy metals like lead, cadmium, and mercury.
Galvanized dishes decay quickly. I use my old dishes/brickbabrack. And it’s cuter🤣🤣
Cobalt (in many metals) is another thing to watch for. Blood & urine level should be below 1 part per million. From my current experience, metal in replacement body parts counts too.
If you are getting lead from rubber you will probably get lead from plastics also. They are both products from the same source products
Hence the plastic feeders probably are an issue also - but thank you for the information
Yes I totally agree, makes me wonder if off the ground and in nature will always be best other then man-made
I use an old metal bird feeder tray to feed one set of hens. The other eats out of cups on a 5 gallon bucket feeder. Water comes out of galvanized 5 gallon waterers and plastic 3 gallon plastic waterers
WOW 😲 Thank you SO Much for this information ❣️ GOD Bless you and your Family 🙏🏻❣️🙏🏻
Wow we are using it to feed our chickens, I guess I will have to try to find something else. Galvanize isn't good either, maybe stainless steel is better?
Yes, those things stink, which is why i 😊 bought one. I almost did for the Winter and do need to find better items for Winter. I bought a platic bowl for 10.00, a little less than the rubber bowl. Did not see any galvanized bowls at that time.
Maybe place another container inside that black bowl in the winter.
During the winter I use heated dog bowls.
Sounds like in urban legend. Someone- somewhere had this happen to them….
Like I said doesn't mean it is true but it doesn't hurt to make a change if it isn't too hard or cost too much
I love those piggies lol
Also maybe from the big box store feeds we feed them 🥺
Those black rubber ones look very porous, even if they don’t have lead I’d imagine they could grow a lot more bacteria and what not. I like the new ones 👌
We use these for food bowls for our ducks and chickens
Please please ask your pediatrician if your children should be testing for lead if they eat your eggs. If it needs to be treated…the earlier the better! Love y’all 😊
Just wondering... what about the pigs drinking out of the rubber bowls, aren't you worried about it contaminating the meat?
I didn't explain it in the video but we have switched over their bowls as well to stainless steel pans at the moment
The rubber bowls should be OK to use for dry food, but not water.
That seems like it would probably be true
🤔 CouLd the same apply to growing vegetables (squash)in old tires? 😮
I wonder if there is lead in the metal as well
Thank you
you might wanna get rid of the tires out of the runs. Thanks for the info
Thanks for the heads up , but doesn’t galvanized contain aluminum?
These finished ones should be okay from what u have read online. I think if it starts to rust their might be problems then we would probably just get a new one
@@AcresOfAdventure thank you , very helpful!
LIVE and LEARN ❤
I use hard black plastic dish pans . Hope they are ok.
They could be okay we don't really ever k ow
Does Galvanized steel also have lead in them?
Yes
I noticed that years after our pigs used those black bowls and after many washings, the bowls still smelled like pigs😂
Thank you for letting me know
If this black bowl has Lead and alot of people use car tires for sand baths for the chickens , id rather just not deal any ailments and move on to the plastic or that nice metal pan😅
Good to know... Thanks 👍🏻
I have never liked those rubber bowls. Good luck trying to get them really clean after feeding dogs in those.
I use those for their dust bath in winter not their water anymore.
Good vid but if there’s lead we’re consuming it can not be enuf to hurt us ❤
Do they make them in silicone?
Galvanized metal arguably is probably not much better.
After reading comments I am noticing this, I feel like it's a battle of lesser evils unfortunately...
@@AcresOfAdventure there are options. Use recycled vessels that are materials that are safe for humans to cook in. We personally have plastic and galvanized troughs ourselves but if it's important to you or anyone else I saw some great suggestions like ceramic crockpots from the thrift store. You can keep several and rotate them indoors over winter to thaw and refill.
Logical good info.
So this is obviously HIGHLY anecdotal. But it was something that would stick in my mind so I ordered my own tests. Eggshell, negative; egg, negative; bowl, negative. I would look into their soil, water, something else because to have a level that was affecting their blood, I don't think it's the bowls. And it's all we use for our chickens and ducks.
Also keep in mind that those metal pans are going to get WICKED hot in the summer
Thanks for this!
@AcresOfAdventure things like this stick in my mind so I had to make sure for myself 😀
Interesting and disappointing about the pans… makes me worry about rubber hoses. Just a note be careful not to add ACV to those galvanized water pans if you use that. 😅
Sounds like it’s time to try glass and ceramics. I had a grandma who was allergic to all plastics. It’s hard to get away from in this day and age. But look at what people used before the switch to these products.
If possible why don't they have the water from the bowls tested.
I tested some rain water that was in one of my bowls after seeing this video. 30 mg/L of Lead. EPA limits are 0.015 mg/L. Video on my channel.
@@TwoAcreHomestead Good to know--thank you! This provides more clarity. The other thing I wonder about is you'd think the effects of the lead would show up in a 4 or 5 lb chicken before it became obvious in a human.
@@CilverLining I'm not a scientist, and not sure what the effects would even be in a chicken.
My understanding is that lead poisoning effects brain functions, and not sure If I'd notice that my chickens were getting 'dumbed down'.
Also, I used a PVC pipe and nipples watering system. I only use that black rubber bucket when its below freezing and I toss it on the waterer heating plate.
@@TwoAcreHomestead That's what I've come to understand too about the effects of lead (mostly in young kids), however if the people you know were having health concerns (that prompted them to get blood tests) then I assume (maybe I'm wrong) there were other issues going on with their health than just brain fog or cognitive issues. We're in a cold winter climate as well. We are new chicken owners (this was our first year raising) and we used the rubber bucket all winter (with a heating platform device underneath). Our other system is using the plastic nipple container which works fine for the summer months. I just ordered a lead test kit to do the same as you did to see what our results are. I really appreciate you putting this together as we try to get to the bottom of these issues. With all the nefarious agendas going on it's getting to the point that we can trust nothing until we've done our due diligence. It's frustrating that something as simple as hydrating our chickens becomes such a pain. In a world that sees warnings on literally everything these days (thank you to California for your prop 65 fear-mongering where everything causes cancer now) it seems like this would actually be a good use of a warning.
@@TwoAcreHomestead Update: our lead test came back at under 4 ppb (I think the guideline is 10 ppb or less). I filled the bowl with our unfiltered well water and let it sit for a few days in the sun or otherwise at room temperature. Our test did not give specific results like yours did--it just gave a range (over/under). With this conflicting result this could be a case of specific products and where they are manufactured, or more importantly where the manufacturer procures the rubber. If the rubber is sourced from a high pollutant environment with "dirty" rain it is probably more prone to lead content. Our bowls are from Fleet Farm and are manufactured in the US. I'm not certain where they outsource the rubber from however. Hopefully this helps.
I think if this may be an issue someone should have the bowls themselves tested?? Sounds logical? I have heated waterers but the one I recently bought is made much cheaper and costs more!!😡 $47 actually!
So what do you suggest for big, gigantic farm animals? Cows, sheep, horses? Those galvanized feeders are super expensive. If you make the change for chickens, you have to make the change for all the animals. After all, they are all ingesting bad stuff. Pray over your animals and ask God to keep them healthy. I personally don’t think it’s all that bad. If you live in the country these days just going out your breathing in Monsanto.
I understand I am by no means saying stop. Just a story we heard and figured we would make a change. I agree that if we prat and put it in His hands He will help. Unfortunately everything man-made is probably not the best
@@AcresOfAdventure I agree. It’s hard to try to keep up with your own health much less our farm. But I do thank you for your videos. I enjoy them. God bless you!
You can't put ACV in for your galvanized ones. Mine keep rusting. I've switched to the rubber because they're easier to clean and don't rust
Fair play he puts it all on line to see good for you , if it works for you go for it
You shouldn’t out ACV in galvanized containers / it can cause a chemical reaction and dissolve the zinc used in galvanization and they can get zinc poisoning.
Wow Thanks for sharing - Good to know 👏 Sub’d 👍
So change out the bowls for your pigs too.
One way to find out would be to put hot water for starters in the bowl.. let it set in there for like a month.. then have the water tested. I have them GD bowls. ffs.. now I'm pissed.
Wow!!! That is Crazy!!! Thank goodness I don't use them!!! God Bless Us All!!!
I use the black bowels and will continue. . None of my animals, chicks, chickens, and cattle have ever died from lead poison so were all good
Hey I understand we don't think out animals or us are hurt either but I never thought about it and found in interesting
But that wasn’t his point. The lead is leaching into the eggs. After having a son test positive for lead poisoning after paint was chipping on a window sill, I take this info very seriously.