Great Myths and Legends: Hero Twins of the Americas: Myths of Origin, Duality, and Vengeance
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- Опубликовано: 1 мар 2016
- Myths concerning the “hero twins” are widespread from Canada to South America. In the archetypal Maya myth, a pair of twin brothers battle with a range of monsters and death deities as they seek to make the world safe for humankind. Instead of defeating their enemies in trials of strength, they outwit them in games of skill, ingenuity, and magic, offering role models of how best to survive death and ultimately attain rebirth into the sky. A variety of myths throughout North America draw on these same themes but differ dramatically in the details, thereby demonstrating the incredible antiquity of the basic story and the relationships between the diverse cultures of the New World.
Dr. Megan Kassabaum, Weingarten Assistant Curator, American Section and Dr. Simon Martin, Associate Curator / Keeper, American Section
Great talk! The indigenous cultures of the Americas are so interesting-we don't hear about them nearly enough.
Matthew Henderson seriously! 13 years of Free mis-Education, several years of over rated college and for the most part I've had to u learn much of it in order to gain REAL Knowledge, I guess that's The American Way.. 😏
YOU CANT HONESTLY ?
If you only knew what I'm soon going to reveal..
@@dboydboy1000 A lifetime of homeschooling, you're just batshit crazy.
Indigenous peoples were treated with such disrespect. Robbed of their land & culture!
R. Esco black people. That's why they had to make up a culture & are still treated bad by society.. they still getting affected many years later.
It only happens like this, cuz euro's disconnected from their ancient cultures. There is a sort of resentment, that is still as true today as any other time in the past. Just look at most, if not all government policies with respect to indigenous people.
Yeah...just like everyone else on earth.
Really interesting presentation! Thank you!
So, very far back, Europeans and Native Americans share ancestry with North Eurasian DNA. If they brought the earliest versions of this story across the Bering Straight while migrating to America then it almost certainly shares a common source with the divine twins myth that has been reconstructed through Latin, Greek, Vedic, Nordic, Celtic, Slavic and other religions as the proto-Indo-European creation story.
Fascinating. I also saw for sale a Proto-Indo-European/Tsimshian dictionary which I scoffed at, now I'm not so sure.
No.
Nice work, some kind of a new twist to the fact that the two Messias are never mentioned in most of today's religious talks. yet the Torah has identified the twin Messiahs as returning together, thank you.
This is the epic of Gilgamesh! Gilgamesh and Enkido look very much alike. Enkidu is practically his twin. Enkido is a wild man raised in the forest by animals, while Gilgamesh is raised in the city and becomes king. Enkido is hairy. Enkido is slightly shorter than Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh behaves more masculine than Enkido. Later his mother adopts Enkido and they become brothers. They go to fight the monster Humbaba, who has "seven auras". As a punishment for killing Humbaba, the gods later kill Enkido. This "myth" is from Mesopotamia (Iraq)!
Mount 72 at Cahokia, st. Clair County, Illinois, is interpreted as a mere reenactment of the tale of the hero twins, not the grave of the actual twins. This makes sense, since Gilgamesh and Enkido lived and died before the Mayan civilization took root.
Gilgamesh 2112 - 2004 BC
First societies in Mayan region 2000 BC. First Mayan cities 750 BC.
Sorry to tell you but the Aztec/mayan date back over 72,000 years ago.
The hero twins are the two asteroids that hit earth 13,000 and 11,700 year ago.
The Ancient Aztec/ Mayans traveled to Africa, Asia, and Europe 14,500 years ago to warn of the in coming Astroids.
They build Atlantis at the eye of the sahara which is located in northwest Africa next to the Atlas Mountains and migrated to Giza from there and build all those pyramids.
There is a book by Hunbatz Mens a Mayan Daykeeper called " The eight calender's of the Maya"
Read this book and you will have a much different perspective of our ancient history. the truth is out there!!!
Hunab Ku
Sounds similar to the Dene stories of Yamoria and his twin brother, they travelled all over the world helping people who were in trouble and helped right the wrongs for the future indigenous peoples. They had lots of different names depending on which culture tells it
This is a beautiful story
I find it strange how the twins just suddenly became the moon and sun at the same time, when the story of 7macaw says that the sun and moon were already in the sky but very dim, and macaw saying that he is both the sun and moon.Hmm.
Our current sun is not our original sun. Many other ancient records show this. The “best sun” it was said, was Saturn and it used to appear stationary at our celestial North Pole before our current sun pulled the axial configuration apart. The four ways/winds/rivers were the viable plasma filaments streaming around our planet and the headdress is from when Venus began to flare behind Mars and in front of Saturn.
Divine twins...it's like the Dioscuri, the Ashvan twins, Hengist and Horsa...twin horsemen. Romulus and Remus too. The civilisation/wilderness thing also is like Gilgamesh and Enkidu.
According to the Mayan Calender I am born on the day Hunahpu and since I am aware of it I'm very happy to get to know the myth more and more. In some way, it is 'my' life story.
Thank you Penn Museum Faculty for posting these amazing talks.
So the defeat of death, killing death allows the ressurection of the killed Father, who is Maize.
This is a nomadic hunter community trying to make sense of agriculture and then civilization.
All humans have gone through this each in it's own way.
Amazing...
Everywhere in these mythologies death is the main thing. In Aztec, Maya, Olmec?, Inca?, death is the main thing (not birth).
Why so focused on death...it seems these were hunters...
Agriculture is overcoming death.
Amazing...
I guess relates to no big herds of animals in Forests so death is the main thing and not birth?
I guess these are forest communities overwhelming...
I wonder if the peoples of the buffalo areas had a mythology around birth?
Spectacular lecture. Maybe some variant was told in the great submerged human heartland of southeast Asia.
No.
Asia, and Africa, have nothing to do with the Americas!!!.
These twins are present in Americas ?? Waooo ..
Now I realize how old my hinduism dates back to !!! It's staggering old per religious standard....
Add in the time period, when you found out when it was depicted, in Maya and European times. Don't force yourself to do something you don't like. I am sure there is something much more suitable for your talents. It will make you a happier individual, less stressful, and give you less anxiety. I hope you find your truth. Much love.
@ 45:12 "... the de neige or the Navajo ..." = the Diné or the Navajo ... [pheeew!]
@ 41:47 "... as in the mine story ..." - Not "mine" but "Maya".
15:26 sounds like the Death of Osiris and Birth of Horus
I kept thinking i was listening to a ThunderCat with all the "snarfs"
Great vid info tho 👍
I admire these people for their enthusiasm to show these peoples as cultured, beautiful. In reality deprived of beauty culture, aesthetic,real barbarians,human sacrificers, child killers, violent enslavers of dark jungles. Stuff of nightmares. Any money, time and effort spent on these so called Inca,Maya , Aztec is lost . Let them be forgotten.
@ 42:00 ".. believe me I recognize nothing like him a call ... = "[? ? ?] nothing like a macaw".
For 41:12 I'd make an argument that in North America there are no Macaws so they changed it to a giant squirrel
Thanks so much :47/55 9:04
Who the hell stands up in a full auditorium during a presentation and asks the person to speak louder. What an insane ego
Somebody highly interested in what is said, but unable to understand?
I mean - c´mon - is he going to sit there through a 60 min lecture and not be able to understand what is said? Personally I would rather have snuck to the tech guy, but I either wouldnt endure not hearing when I came out.
Ritual sacrifice of females at mins 58:37 is very similar to the way females use to be ritually sacrificed at Viking boat burials.
Read Ibn Fadlan's account (THE historical source that historians use to prove that Viking boat burials occured) according to Fadlan's account a female slave was killed alongside with him (by the 'eater of death' a crone/elderly woman) before the Viking boat is set on fire. Ergo ritual sacrifice of females at a chieftain's burial was a historical fact.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_funeral#Ibn_Fadlan_account
It's an eye-witness account. And what contemporary information do we have from the Vikings that contradicts this? There isn't so it's safe to assume it was a common custom for Viking chieftains. Lets not forget ritual human sacrifice is not uncommon in history (it's there even amongst the world's three monotheistic religions in the story of Abraham). Furthermore you did raise an interesting point with you comment by linking 'burning females' with India: doesn't this point to a common proto -Indo-European ritual perhaps? Between the Hindu practice of Sati and Viking boat funerals? Furthermore there's archaeological evidence that the Vikings engaged in ritual human sacrifice: Scrolled down to the Trelleborg section.
en.natmus.dk/historical-knowledge/denmark/prehistoric-period-until-1050-ad/the-viking-age/religion-magic-death-and-rituals/human-sacrifices/
"wheres the honor, in killing women ?" - read Fadlan's account, the slave woman who was killed didn't view it as a dishonour, in many ways taking a companion with you to the after-life isn't new (e.g. early/ancient Chinese kings did just that, then we have the Hindu practices - though this was practised amongst ordinary Hindus rather then just chieftains etc) practice.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_funeral#Ibn_Fadlan_account
This is an excerpt from the Fadlan narration: 'One of his thrall women volunteered to join him in the afterlife and she was guarded day and night, being given a great amount of intoxicating drinks while she sang happily. When the time had arrived for cremation, they pulled his longship ashore and put it on a platform of wood, and they made a bed for the dead chieftain on the ship. Thereafter, an old woman referred to as the "Angel of Death" put cushions on the bed. She was responsible for the ritual.'
Note she VOLUNTEERED to do this.
Those "motifs" are called archetypes lol
Taylor Kessel they’re also called motifs.
Enki and enlil are world famous. That Enki/Enoch/Metatron/Toth/Ketzelquatal guy is my favorite even though he's white. Dude gave humanity freedom to evolve and devolope. Good job Enki
The Maia developed head transplant surgery to extend the lives of the nobility? Easier for them than for us because they would not have to deal so much with the new body rejecting the head, or vise versa.....
Get a brain transplant from a Maya shaman.
24:50 so ba(a)l-uun and ba(a)l-anque
All speculation interpreted from ones own perspective from a collection of information.
53:17. you know more about this than i do but isn't the one of the twins bedecked with a square, his opposite bedecked with circle? further back... has one twin feigned to be his brother hence the losing head/face imagery? or is the dualism symbolic of one person - the evil twin metaphor developed to explain away this discrepancy? most learning lost or waylaid r.e this excellent wealth of study due to asiatic sidetracking of subject matter due to the word: INDIAN now much in vogue. the sub continent mistakenly certain that they are the people being discussed as against our actual point of reference which is north/south america. in future use term native american as against indian... or wogs.
In the book of Enoch Archangel Raphael and Archangel Michael are told by the Lord to come down to the earth to correct what was being done because of the giants and fallen angels. In my visions and dreams, I have been shown that Michael and Raphael are twins or will be twins. Maybe these tales have changed over the years but came from an original true source. I’ve been to Heaven talked face to face with the Lord Jesus Christ. Pray, and invite him into your life, and he will change it and give you everlasting life! Shalom.
At @ 40:40 and 40:57: "around [year] 81,000" ?! That's what it sounds like and that's what the English subtitles show. It should be "A.D. 1,000".
17:00 24:00
So how do the indains feel about being from Siberia, Mongolia area? Another random wandering tribe , I think they brought plants , accidentally or on purpose , the seeds ought to have tried hard to persist , DNA the tomatoes and dandylions! Acorns seam ripe .moss an shrooms seam doable...did they bring dogs? DNA it all and let God sort it out. C yas
Hero Twins=Mars&Venus. The statues and world wide symbolism are representations of plasma discharge between the two bodies (+other planets) in ancient skies. It’s all PLASMA.
Because Diego de Landa and his ilk. Beware the tz'ompantli!
If the Sun had a binary companion, that would explain the 'twin' archetype worldwide....
El-Choctaw-lord-De-CalifasMexicoAztlan Antz-that-crawls-on-the-ground i Cali 🐜🐜
The dichotomy that exists today has nothing to teach humanity. The split today is borne of the ego and strengthened by the internet
The Wuqub' K'aquix
They have successfully brought down the K'aquix and out of the fallen Wuqub grows an orange 🍊 bush!
I've read that Hitler searched for twins and even had them killed during the holocaust. I have twin sons. It's interesting to me.
Ha, scholars! I just choked from laughing so hard at about 38 minutes in. You want to understand why it's the same bird? Balance out your probing of the outer world with some probing of the inner world. If introspecting seems too stultifying, read the words of others who have gone in there. Here's a bone: see the Macaw as Jung's Abraxas.
To think one has explained the story by showing that it refers to maize--how corny! You are the maize, silly.
Omg I love you 🤓👍
Huh?
Nani
...are you high?
her voice is like nails on chalkboard
It's called "vocal fry" and it hurts my ears, too. VF has been adopted in recent years by some, similar to "valley girl" speak, or using "like" 3 times in one sentence or starting sentences with "So." I blame it all on the Kardashians 💩🐸🙄;) But l love listening to Simon Martin.
"um"
58:00 why recreate the man inaccurately? We know from early description and depiction of Mississippian, Meso American and Carribean "Indian" in writing and on canvas they were dark skinned, and "negroid" (for lack of a better term I like to say Aboriginal)in appearance that is in hair texture, complexion and facial features. Not the "mongloids" of the plains that are being passed off as the only inhabitants that are only a mere newcomer to the continent. DNA and honest unbiased assessment of skeletal remains proves this the times of manifest destiny and white supremacists views on history are shifting and must give way to truth. Please use your voice properly. Look up textbooks from the time, paintings in Spain from 16th century. Hell photos from the archives when photography was in its infancy shows that even the plains Indians were much darker than. A little unbiased searching in Google will tell you this. Do history right end this racist nonsense and give black people of all types their proper place in history as father's of civilization, science, math and so on. It was the opinion of scholars the world over in the 17th through to the early 20th century that American civilization (meso American specifically) predates anything on the western hemisphere. Today we are verifying their beliefs with discoveries through radar, archeology, DNA etc that have convinc d me and will any man of science that can see passed their ideas and preconceptions based on Clovis period biased. America is the old world geologically, and archeologically the largest pyramid to date on earth is in peru we have the highest concentrations of pyramids. We are older than you know and are being told. The racist European conquest of this world has been so destructive of human history in order to fit the white supremacists agenda we have lost so much. So many have been written out of history and so much removed to cater to white ehos. Earth belongs to us all it is sad please put a stop to it has to start somewhere stop propogating the lies
She lost me at "gross". A PhD ought to have a vocabulary with more dignity than a middle school student.