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@@sirnosirno now that's useless information, I wanna know how he his youtube page is an x, then a verified checkmark and then "is everywhere" and how his name is blank but there's no @ in his youtube page
The truth is that every single community has their bad apples. From furries, to bronies, to chess, to gaming, you name it. All communities have their bad apples, none of them are safe from it
I agree with that....and if the majority of the furry community was just sharing wholesome drawings and occasionally wearing a costume, I wouldn't mind including them in that grouping. However, while *_all_* communities have their issues, the furry community seems to be predisposed to attracting perverse criminals. That's the issue. Sure, there are speed runners that fake times, there are assholes in chess, etc. ....gr 00ming, SA of animals? That's an entirely different thing. Same thing with Bronies. It's a community that attracts kids and people that would like to victimize those kids.
@@TheHibbitydibbitythere are people who are in the chess community and such who are sexual predators tho. you just don’t hear reporters saying “Chess player accused of three cases of statutory rape” cause people don’t care whether someone plays chess, or plays videogames or something. the furry community is one that people have been trying to demonize since it’s inception in the 80’s. you’re always going to hear when a furry is a predator or a criminal, because it’s something reporters think is worth pointing out. no one’s gonna say “hot wheels collector accused of kidnapping and withholding 4 minors in his basement” or “elder scrolls 5: skyrim enthusiast accused of possessing child p*rn” cause no one cares about those details. it’s the same reason the sexuality/gender identity of queer people are always stated in a headline when one of them may commit a crime, even if their identity has nothing to do with the crime they committed. it’s gives people ammo to say “see? i told you those gays were all groomers” or “see? trans people ARE pedophiles. i was right” the media doesn’t care about people. they will use whatever they can in a headline to get more clicks. and when you put, in your headline, that the person who committed any given crime was a “furry”, that’s gonna pull more people in. it’s gonna pull furries in, cause they wanna see how bad this is gonna make the community look. it’s gonna anti-furs cause they wanna prove a point. and it’s gonna pull in people who don’t know what “furries” are, cause they’re curious to know what a furry is what what significance it holds to the case. Thus, more clicks and more ad revenue for whatever journalism outlet made the post. Yes, every community has bad apples. but the furry community looks worse because people want to make us look worse. people care about the “abnormal traits” of a criminal, so as to try to parse out why someone may have done what they did. and being a furry is seen as “abnormal”. humans like to jump to conclusions, so when they hear that someone sexually assaulted an animal, and then they hear that the person was also apart of a strange subculture of people who are often scrutinized and looked down upon, the reader is going to assume that those two things directly correlate, because those two things are the two most defining things about the offender, and thus, must be connected somehow. but it doesn’t always work that way. there could be a person who dips plums in a tub of vinegar, slices them open, drizzles them with olive oil and chocolate sauce and then sprinkles rabbit shit on it and then eats it. but if that person were to then proceed to rape an innocent person, no one would ever correlate those two things. because no one cares. but people care about furries. whether it’s to demonize them, or support them, or ridicule them, or fucking kill them, people care about the existence of furries. and news outlets know this, so whenever a furry does some weird shit, the media is going to make sure as many people as possible know about it, as well as the fact that the person is a furry that’s why we seem so much worse. because people go out of their way to make us seem worse
Your one of the few youtubers that I actually take the time to comment on their videos, really enjoyed this video! You excellently displayed all of the information un-biasedly. Have a good one!
I swear your word is absolutely correct, this RUclipsr is *unlike many content creators who take news from Facebook/X(formally known as Twitter) and just read it load without edition nor concluding* He searched using news and video/audio file, he tell everything in detail without fearing of violence yt terms and condition and best of all, his *well edited* videos this guy is so underrated despite of his massive views
Or should report themselves to the authorities to seek any kind of help before they do something they will never be able to take back that leaves permanent damage.
@@NotMyRealName6 True, but for whatever minute few are able to feel guilty or know what they're into isn't right, that's all we can hope for them to do, before they do something that forces everyone else to step in and interfere.
As someone who doesn't really care for furries like that, this is just heartbreaking and disgusting . . . I really do dislike the bad people in fandoms. It ruins it for everyone. Oh no. 😰🫵
Don't hate the fandom, hate the people who made it that way. And use that hate to drive being a better person. And if you don't like the fandom, you can still enjoy the thing yourself or with a few friends. With furry that's probably for the best and the safest way.
Its not the fandom thats at fault, its just some stupid people. But this doesn't mean that all furries are bad at all, literally every community/fandom has people like this
@@electrickery i think i'd rather hate the fandom. it gets the most point across because it takes bad people and good people doing nothing to get to this point.
@@Lunkie you got to stop with defense of not everyone is bad and trying to use other communities to look better. it doesn't add anything. a problem has to be dealt with no matter how small it is or perceived.
Someone told me a very valuable thing: it doesnt matter how much good a group does, there are guys who do something evil and it's a patch for the entire community. I had a chat with someone who also said that "creeps in furry fandom in the USA are not caused by the fact fandom supposedly harbors them, but the fact the number of creeps in the USA is very high". There is something in that statement, since I very rarely hear anything heinous in European furry fandom, with most of it being drama of not holding personal space boundaries at most.
that's how it goes. it eventually turns into a scar if left alone. i do find it a bit funny of the european fandom because the most toxic furry i seen was there but interact more with the usa side. It seems to be bad all the way through but obviously certain parts stand out more except maybe japan branch that i never ever heard of at all.
You very rarely hear anything about the European furry fandom because speaking up about it gets you banned from the events very quickly. Most of the creeps are involved in running things.
You highlighted the problems of the fandom without giving everyone the wrong idea about them or going on an unjustified tirade about how the community should be destroyed. And throughout all of it you maintained your professionalism. My hat is off to you.
Hhhh, there's so much drama within the furry fandom. But, I often avoid a lot of things as much as possible. A lot of negativity, people tend to focus on just the bad things that happened. I may be a pokemon furry myself, but I am not one who trusts anyone that I don't know. Sure, I might talk to them, but it's moreso to learn more about someone. I've met absolute creeps in the fandom which I have gone to immediately warn my family and my family's friends about them especially when they are anywhere near them or I had encountered them. In the end, it's all about the safety of everyone, it's all I care about and that people are having fun as well. If the fandom was nothing but a terrible place, I would have abandoned it years ago, but it's fun and safe, if you know where to go, most of the time. I'm just really happy with how this video spoke about the topic instead of rather taking sides or leaving open ends to assumptions that everyone in the community is the same, cause, in the end, we're all people of different places, backgrounds and interests within the same community. And people outside of the fandom, same thing with them.
@@sonic3224Gamer Anime is extremely broad, and can attract all kinds of people. But a children's tv show with ponies and anthropomorphic animals? Yeah, that is not exactly going to attract people who like animated action or dark fantasy.
It’s really disturbing that something as innocent as cosplaying as different animals has such a terrible reputation because terrible people always come through EDIT: Jesus Christ I think I’ve started a war
@@christooping exactly. as the saying goes. the only thing needed for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. the opposite of good isn't evil, it's apathy
Yeah people only hate on the furry community for the bad people in it but people don't hate on anti furrys who have literally threatened death on people
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@@electrickery That is not the opposite, it is evil's catalyst.
As a furry, i'm sorry there are people like this in the furry community. I do not support evil people like this whatsoever. I never did and never will. People who are toxic,etc and in the furry fandom are disgusting. It really dissapoints me.
just don't be one of the bad people, you're good. Also you're invited to post a comment on my upcoming post! just post a comment on anything and i may use it as my short.👍
Thx for accepting us I thought ppl would come here to look for furrys explaining how the community isn’t all that and tell them there wrong,so yea thx :3
Oh yeah they’re so horrible. Snakething is the worst and got 25 years in prison. Kero from the evidence is more to do with bestiality, but he got away it cos from where he lives, the statue of limitation was 2 years which had past. Don’t agree with that law at all
the dude who made his suit out of chopped up victims of his weird plush shit sounds like a horror story. Like it sounds like a campfire story you'd hear. How do we actually live in the same world as people like that? I feel bad for furries, They get their rep tainted by creeps like that.
(I'm not a furry)You're completely right, people like that cause the entire fandom to just get bullied, I have a friend who is also a furry and got bullied so much for it that he became depressed. Luckily he's doing much better now and still enjoying the furry fandom.
Thanks for this. Remember, instead of using this information against the furry fandom, use it to be aware of the dangers of the fandom so you could avoid it and bring awareness to it:-0
that and people need to be more forward. if so many furries weren't so worried about reputations and impressing people, and being more forward about the flaws, then we wouldn't have the bad reputation issue. Like, if you're honest, and show the good AND bad, and discuss it, it both makes people more aware of the dangers of the internet as a whole, as well as the furry community, and it'd show that there isn't anything to hide.
This whole comment section is horrid. There’s people defending themselves because they’re innocent, others are defending the entire community and others are hating on them.
It’s basically the generic furry fandom comment section. I just applauded the RUclipsr for making this video because I’m sick of the “all furries are zoos” and “the furry fandom is doing great” and “kill all furries” and “I’m so sigma for saying this generic bullshit” excuses. I’m fricking tired of it. It’s so repetitive.
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The proportions are the same of any other fandom. But because it's such a big community (it's a fandom of a concept, not a show or game), the bad side appears bigger than any other fandom. It's sheer size.
Great video. I was a part of this "community" for 20 years. Was involved in organising events for a lot of that time. Gave up after the aftermath of the stuff you mentioned. There's one in the US who was and still is on several con's AV crews, outed in the Leaks, and the conventions he worked for doubled down and refused to take action or engage with the community. Furries just dismissed it and kept going to those cons. The only reason these people are in jail is because others collected the evidence and took it to the authorities. If it was left to furries - and I say that as someone who used to be one - this would have been covered up. Even today anyone talking about it is usually banned from furry chats. They call it "drama". It's a word they use to describe everything from petty fights to criminal acts. Everything has to be covered up to make the scene look good.
Wow, your comment reminds me of a spy returning from a secret elite club coming back to share all of there nasty secrets. W comment. And I'm glad you're making people aware of what's going on in there strange community from a witness.
@@TBATG Thank you. I met some very nice people there and I consider myself lucky they are still my friends (maybe not if they see this post). It's all I can do, the furries won't police themselves. I used to think they could but after 10 years trying I knew I was treading water. It was destroying me. I still like the creativity and the art but so many of the good people left because they were either smeared or abused. Furry cons are very political inside, I saw lots of nepotism. I even saw staff talking openly about how they hate attendees (specific ones or all), wanted bad things to happen to them, or how they could do anything they liked because furries would just keep giving them money to go to the con and couldn't afford to sue them. we raised all of it but directors told us if we didn't like it we could quit. we tried to start a new con but the chairperson of the con we left called our venue and smeared us and threatened them, and badmouthed us to their attendees. we had to abandon it. and the furries we thought were our "friends" who'd come to the con and support us, just laughed and said they were going to go to the other con because everyone was going there and "they didn't go for the staff".
how come people who are still in the fandom just can't say this? It always seem that you have to have a furry who walked away from it to get any meaningful detail.
@@electrickery wow just wow. this is kinda what i feel like people outside of furries should know instead of their picture perfect appearance. i always question if i'm crazy every time i run into a hooplah of conundrums and every furries just don't see it. like that furry is clearly going after that person.
About the chlorine gas attack, you said it happened at the midwest furfest convention and then called it anthrocon which are two seperate conventions. Just FYI.
to any children. if you're being groomed or you see a predator talking to you or a friend online tell you're parents, don't tell the police or you're friends tell you're parent's
Brooooooooooooooooooooooo. Your grammar Is atrocious, *your not you're. Dummy, i bet you Are American And dont know it. Good message but pls go back to School🗿
@Kawyawymawy that sucks really bad man. if you cant talk to your parents you should tell an authority figure like teacher or the police. remember, there will always be people who will listen and help :D
Not a good idea, some parents are toxic or abusive. I'd say tell any adult you trust, regardless of whether they're a police officer, teacher, counselor, or family member. Source: been groomed online before, my parents blamed me for it and pressured me into staying silent. It was my music teacher, close friends, school counselors, and the detective at my local law enforcement agency who believed in me. I'm an adult now and our relationship has rekindled a good bit, but it really sucked and contributed to the trauma more than it helped. Although my parents have changed for the better, this will always be a deep scar on our relationship and I never stopped feeling bitter when I recall these memories.
He got Midwest Furfest and Anthrocon mixed up. Midwest Furfest only takes place in Chicago. Anthrocon in Pittsburg Pennsylvania. I can see where the confusion may stem from because they fight over the number one spot for largest convention every year. They are two different conventions though.
@@sprucetypewriter My brain is rotting rn Who in their mind would spend so much for a fucking suit which if you wear people most likely will just call you a weirdo
@@Glitchmouse2the only reason suit makers charge so much is not just for the materials it’s the time they put into making it. I can contest to that after making my first suit it took me three months to finish it was a time suck
I’m not, a furry, but I know someone who is. My friend looks at being a furry as an art project, and a way she can express herself. It horrifies me that some people give the fandom such a horrible reputation, because I also know that many other people just use it as a way to express themselves too.
Fucking I just see him as a mask online to not make an online foot print or a character I can relate my self to and draw off of. There are fucked up furry out there but there still are some good ones.
Man idk with furrys, like I have a friend that is a furry and he's a great friend, but I've had 3 friends that were furrys turn out to be pedos. also (this isnt really just for this community but whatever) I feel like when you're face is covered by a mask you are just a completely different person. right now my stance is if I see a furry I just won't talk to em so I guess a semi-neutral stance. (Also if you're sexually rping as characters from a kids show or in a kids game you're just weird)
Very true. My company sent me to an IT conference about 10 years ago and they were warning people not to bring valuables downstairs. People were being pushed into the pool and obviously that ruined everything in their pockets. Nobody got warned or banned for pushing, they pushed it all on the victims... Thankfully some fandoms/spaces had scandals and vowed to improve. This year I went back and nobody got pushed.
@@include-bit its a big thing and panelists encourage it. watch some of the sam conway panels from anthrocon. it's almost religious, people are told to only tell the good about furry and encourage them to join
Something I love about this is that it expresses that not ALL furries should be hated, as a furry myself, just really the ones that are zoophiles and do...well, you know. Those people who do involve in those disgusting activities are not welcome into the furry/therian community. Some furries are good, kind, and ALL of us hate people who do those type of actions. Just remember that hating on someone for liking anthromorphic animals and does NOT involve with the actions displayed in the video is wrong. It's just the zoophiles and the others that participate in actions such as those. And people do need to recognize that the furry community is NOT the only community that have these horrible people in it. Making a zoo acceptance community is ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING. NO. They should not be accepted by any means for doing that, and they never will.
My thing is why was sappho confessing like being a zoophile is a totally normal thing and everyone was going to celebrate her for her bravery. She was acting like it was okay to say she was a zoophile like someone would do if they're telling people they were gay.
@@FoxSullivanas it should be. I'm not a furry myself, but I play VRChat I have a LOT of furry friends and I'd know all of them were disgusted with Sappho when I mentioned it if they didn't know about it already, people like her are why people hate furries in general, it's the reason I had a negative opinion about furries before I started playing VRChat and met most of my friends
This is something that seems to be very common among both zoos and pedos. It's so gross that I've had to block immediately multiple people who have it in their bios EVERYWHERE. They fully believe they're not mentally ill and that they're persecuted. It's actually disgusting.
😭😭 bro the fact younger ppl are getting involved, even with the innocent things it leads to really bad stuff even if you say it's innocent they will eventually end up down a rabbit hole 😭😭
@@pookieluh I can understand kids get caught up in crazy things, it's part of growing up as the consequences are there to teach us, but a lot of these people are full grown adults and that's kinda scary.
These people are bareley even human in my eyes (zoos and the people in the video, not furries) And to think how many still exist in the fandom. it makes me *shiver*
And to think how many there are, and how many community leaders supported them and still do. Archive The Wolf's videos on here about that are terrifying.
@@electrickery The fuck are you on about "community leaders"? The fandom isn't some clubhouse that you have to get invited to. No one can control an entire group of thousands of people like that. I get tired of people thinking that others can just stop someone in this fandom from being a bad person. I am not responsible for the actions of anyone but myself.
Thank you for your videos! And while many of the stories in this video are serious and disturbing, I still enjoy watching news anchors trying to explain the furry community to their audience. 😀 Thanks again!
I love your ominous background music and editing skills it makes the video more interesting also the sound effects are completely amazing and on point im definitely subscribing to ya
3:58 “would you be ok to send through an extra 1k” No. Hell no. 1000 times no. I don’t care what you’re going through. If i purchased something from an online seller, its either give the product or refund my money. I’m not “giving” additional money, paying your phone bill, insurance AND car payment, just so you can be bothered to send me something I already purchased. Whoever got scammed like that is a moron with more money than sense.
A lot of furries are autistic, so unfortunately, they're susceptible to manipulation. Tons of furries are also just VERY kind people in general. I've done commission work for many furries who've tipped me generously
Years ago, I ran into someone like that on eBay. First it was "can't send it right now because my mom just died," then it was not having enough money for postage. At that point, I demanded a refund, which I never got. They eventually got thrown off eBay, but it took a while.
@@janebeckman3431 that reminds me of the infamous "white ranger helmet" fiasco that was in the cosplay community. people paid thousands for that helmet and never got it. guy kept jerking them around until everyone got wise and said "dont buy"
@sci643 are you sure about that also isn't this the community that banned and then unbanned someone who had a confederate fursuit because he said that he would "stop what he was doing"
As a furry, thank you for shedding light on the fandom, and telling the people looking in from the outside, that its not the fandom that is the problem, but the bad apples. Every community has some of those, just ours give the rest of us a bad rap. Been a furry for 16 years and counting, i have met some myself, currently i also moderate a big community of furries so... i get close and personal with the outcast of our community. I am just glad that RUclipsrs like you don't cast shade at all of us and let others know that not all of us is the problem. Thank you.
@21:37 you messed up, anthrocon and Midwestfurfest are two seperate events at opposite ends of the calender, one is summer onenis winters and 12 people had permanent damage to their lungs because they ran theough the bottom of the stairwell to the emergency exit where all the chlorine settled
Dude!!! You are such a dedicated Creator!! please make some side series because your voice is so nice!! Your delivery is top notch. All I'm saying. And thank you for the content
I've been a furry for 6 years and so happy I never really got into the fandom, apart from drawing for myself and commissioning a safe artist once when I was 16 💀. I've never really talked to other furries, but a few weeks ago I ran into an old friend who talked to me about it. He told me how much he tried to get into the scene, but after meeting really weird people in the community, he quickly quit. I told him to just be a furry by himself, but now he wants nothing more to do with it. To me it's just sad that this fandom can be so ugly if you're not careful enough. I also would have gone to some conventions a long time ago, but this is exactly the reason that keeps me away :c
I'm glad things are going well for you, Cuz I can't really say the same. From what I've seen in content like this and even first-hand, Im not really sure if this is a label I want to wear.
I wish the furry fandom didn’t have people like kero or maybe worse so that we wouldn’t have to be bullied for someone else’s actions in the community :( I know that every community will have a bad side to it and it’s kinda inevitable but man I wish it wasn’t always like this
Better to wish for effective community leaders who would ban people like kero instead of supporting them and giving them staff or special guest status at events.
@@electrickery i actually had no idea who kero is until til I heard about the news about him being a zoophile also idk what you mean by supporting them cuz I don’t
@@Faunadude no idea who you are but look at what happened with Growly and Tane/Digivolve. Directors of some of the largest cons in the world defended both of them. that was my point. but if you bought tickets to those events - then yes, you supported that.
As a furry, I hate this portion of the community quite a bit. I never understood why furries would do things like this. I’ve gotten harassed online and in real life too. I just wish people would watch videos like this more, not base it off of what someone else says, when they even heard it from someone else.
Evry comunity has it's dark side. I used too like antropomorfic art as a kid because of ratchet and clank. Never caught on as a hobby for me but most of the people I met we're okay.
i have seen some things from there community both good and bad and lets say most of the people i came across where on a game called vrchat some would be chill mean while others would just constantly annoying or threaten me for no reason
Honestly, I can probably make a static of there community and it could be accurate. About 48% of there community are alright and cool people, while the other percent, is full of weirdos, f**ishes, and just disgusting people honestly.
@@zeosummers3984 heard the same from furries in the fandom - "furry fandom is just like that, the misogyny and abuse are normal, you just have to accept it"
@@zeosummers3984 heard the same from furries in the fandom - "furry fandom is just like that, the misogyny and abuse are normal, you just have to accept it"
I appreciate that you describe these issues as problems that the furry community has had to deal with rather than problems with the furry community as a whole
Not to mention the fetishes. I will never waste time on these sites. However, there's nothing wrong in terms of art depicting anthropomorphic animals or cosplaying.
Pretty fair assessments. Lots of drama in the fandom but it's also got a lot of positivity. I knew the Yosts, they would go to a local furry Meetup. One thing I noticed is Midwest fur fest is not anthrocon they are two separate cons.
@@BatJesterjust YT him, awful human being, zoolophile, abuser, etc - absolutely vile. Was a popular "furry youtuber" before being outed as an animal abuser. Trigger warning its pretty twisted, disturbing stuff - be warned! The one positive consequence ive noticed coming out of this is that a lot more Furrues are being diligent and holding rapists/zoolophiles/pedos accountable, which truly, something people need to do.
@@BatJester Calls himself Radiance now. Furry animal abuser. One of many who were outed in the Zoosadism Leaks in 2018. Some of his friends are in prison now. Might not have been demonetising, more that there's not much to say about him that hasn't already been said.
I am disgusted on this part of the furry fandom. I'm grateful that I have not come across any of these people personally, but I am still horrified on how much furries are like this. Honestly I can't really blame people for disliking us, seeing all this.
@@Kyrikrliy if you consider people that find animals with human body parts attractive as good people you're the problem their basically still animals doesn't matter if it has human arms and legs they still are based on animals so all furrys are zoos thanks for proving my point zoo 🤣🤣
The last concerning part that you mentioned about is not just happening within the furry community but also by other youtubers and I hope they'll stop doing that... its concerning how youtube dosen't have proper restrictions for those kind of things... Terryfing(scary).
I actually have a furry friend in roblox. While I was playing mm2, a whole lot of people especially this girl were BASHING on him. I stopped them and reassured her to only be aware of zoophiles. Anyways, after that, he asked me to join in a private server in mm2, and he actually gave me a legendary knife! I was forever grateful for his gratitude towards my kindness
and after all the hard work in the 2000s and 2010s by people to get it away from "just a disgusting sex thing". we were really making great strides - we being some of the people I worked with who were involved in that
To be honest, I like furry characters because I was born from enjoying cartoons like Looney Tunes and TMNT, and even classic games like Sonic the Hedgehog and Pokemon. While I do question myself whether I'm a furry because of this vid, and even if I am one, I hardly join any fandom since I can control myself for not going over the limit. I don't go wearing costumes nor join VRChats, but would share some OC characters if possible with respect. I know you're not trying to say all furries are evil as introduced (while sometimes you sound like it is) because not everybody are like them, and I respect that. It's just people misunderstand as stereotypes takes things too offensive to certain people's likes.
Listen, im not a furry, but not all furries are like this. Some furries are actually really kind and gentle towards people. Some furries are actually exactly what this video says.
I’m happy that you highlighted that it’s NOT ALL furries that do the bad things. The saddest thing is that people turn it into a stereotype and give all furries a bad light
The sad part is that it's not even "Most" or even "A lot" of us. But that doesn't matter. We aren't socially normal, and to irate boomers and brain-rotted internet dwellers, that means we're all just like Sappho, Foxler, Jasonafex, Kaiber, and Jay Naylor.
I'm a furry myself, thought of myself as a furry for 2-4 years now, however I'm painfully aware of the darkside of the community and hate that that side is so awful and so well known that its been glued to what people think of when they think of furries
overall people will think of furries being kind because they don’t really want to know what is going on the furry fandom but i’m glad you’re aware of the fandom
@ hello I’ve got some people told me that I must like to “do it” with animals just because I felt attracted to anthro characters and said that an animals an animal, even if it’s a Anthro
A few rotten apples spoils the whole bunch as they say. These people were zoo's before the fandom and are the reason we have stuff like aids. They commit illegal acts and drag real furries down with them. What sucks is that they get away with it. It doesn't matter that they get sent to jail, the damage is done instantly.
It saddens me to have this community being hated by so many people that don't inform themselves and maybe just want to get rid of the real bad people but rather hate and threaten innocent, friendly furries. When will the world learn to differenciate (between good and bad).
because first impressions are everything. if someone has a bad first impression, and are not open minded, they will associate that thing with their first impression forever
As a furry myself I would like to inform people that 98 percent of the furry fandom are not bad people. Zoophilia is truly fucked up and needs to be stoped. Not all furry are predators. I’m considered a chill furry since I just mind my own business and don’t do these horrible acts.
14:16 Overland Park, Kansas is the location/setting of the comedy RUclips series "MPGIS", so for anyone who wants some comedy content after this deep dive of the park side of the fandom, hopefully this spurs some relief
So true as I really have part of the furry fandom since the Mid-2000’s, and things are so different now than what I grew up with after watching a couple of furry TV shows, as furry characters, most of which were human like, but almost were not human.
@@electrickery Well, I've been through a lot, such as being discriminated for being a mixed-breed specie humanoid being, that I feel like this life is just no longer living, in that I tried so hard to be an artist, as FurAffinity and DeviantArt straight up banned me for tracing artists' works, as I no longer see myself as a furry, or a furry artist, as I just feel and perceive myself, as putrid, grimy bacteria, that I want to die now, as I'm just straight up toxic to myself and everyone around me now.
ngl extremely weird to use my footage, especially in a sensitive topic. how did my asmr ‘drawing your fursona’ video went from that to being used as a segway clip to talk about cub art, kinda weird … wished i was approached prior.
@@sur-r.e.a-_tis-chThat's a bit harsh there. What stuff is there that's safe to use anymore? It's good that ASMR has safe videos, so that's a major plus considering it's one of the few safe things in the sea of unsafe featured in the video
Correction: Not Anthrocon. It was Midwest Furfest On December 7, 2014, Midwest FurFest was targeted by a chlorine gas attack, hospitalizing 19 attendees.
Just came across this video and well I was a customer of SugarNSpice; can confirm these things happened to both my wife and I. So I greatly appreciate that segment of the video
I really appreciate the effort you put into this video, it is clear, concise, and really good in quality. Each fandom has it's dark side, the furry fandom is no exception, and this video shines the much needed light on the sh*tty things that need to be fixed.
As a furry,i am horribly disgusted at the fact that some furrys interacring with MINORS in a very inappropriate way. As being a 14yr old,i would say to be carefull on who you meet online,you would never know on whos behind the other screen.
I am a furry and I will instantly side with someone if the try to shit talk the community, it is horrible what some of them do to others or even animals, I wish the community didn't have these weirdos and that it could be normal but that is never happening, the amount of things said to me cause I reside in the same interests as your local zoophile is something I wish I could make up.
You know, I greatly appreciate this video. I would like to say that as of recently there has been a large decrease in hate towards furries themselves as people now know who/what kind if people to avoid. Thanks to you and other content creators like you, you are genuinely helping us greatly by surfacing these prominent issues within the fandom. You did a great job on this video, and I only hope that it can influence more people to be aware of who to avoid when interacting with this fandom. Also, as someone who was thrown into the furry community much younger than should be allowed... it is definitely not a community for minors... not until the heavy risks are reduced.
@@michaelbecket4901 oh yeah it is much more noticeable now In just the span of the month since this comment was made, things have gone to shit... I have just been too busy with my own stuff to even care
@@CinderTheSkulldog and u see THATS the problem not caring enough to make a difference I’m actually giving evidence to people about jasonafexFA to repeatedly tell authorities about his crimes every day because he has INDEED broken the law and am often told to ‘mind my own business’ or they don’t care about ‘drama’ yet these same people will die on the hill of defending the pedophile it’s sick and unless people repeatedly bring this up to the law it will be ignored HELL furries have been ignoring these problems for DECADES and look where it’s got them their own fandom hates themselves now
Im a furry, no i dont own a fursuit or any OCs or anything but i am very glad and im happy that you did so much research to make an educational video to let everyone know the red flags and the faults of the furry fandom and how we can make it a safer and better place. You did a really good job educating and warning the masses of not only the furry community but other communities that are in danger of their very own fandom members, thank you very much and have a good rest of your year,
@@Kont-Grunwalderyou literally have to scroll through the comment section to find this one. you obviously took the time out of your day to say this dude just cope
As a 50% furry i can say i play vrchat and fall guys 24/7 and im turning 13 years old next year and when i went to friennis nightclub i enjoyed the party it was normal but when i went the next day the videoplayer has real life gore videos and me and my friend left but that wasn't the last time i went there next server had normal jazz and people at the bar in the world and to this day i moved on from the fnia community (kinda) and moved on to fundamental paper education/baldis basics community and i enjoy the fpe community so thats my story on the world and it was crazy.
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Stop, he's just bringing to light what you people have Done
I'm surprised you didn't talk about the incident in a convention involving a hallway and a pizza that was basically a bioweapon
Wait what
@@Face_D_Monkey A man released her baby juice on a pizza and left it out in the open
@@charliepuppy.That's nasty💀
@@charliepuppy.wtf did I read right now
@@charliepuppy. it's 11 pm here while I am reading this shit
People like this are absolutely vile. It’s scary how many of them walk amongst us.
First comment
how much did that account cost?
@@sirnosirno now that's useless information, I wanna know how he his youtube page is an x, then a verified checkmark and then "is everywhere" and how his name is blank but there's no @ in his youtube page
stfu lil bro you bought your acc then deleted the shorts
say it say among us
Fun fact the origin photo for scp1471 (malo) was a zombie werewolf fursona just in black and white
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Moral of story : never trust social media only you trust is yourself
- experienced victim
wtf did you just say?
@@Plz8662 example Mama boy rapped unconscious woman he got in jail for 7 years
¿Para qué estás diciendo?
Unfortunately I’ve learned this as well
or just dont post on it
The truth is that every single community has their bad apples. From furries, to bronies, to chess, to gaming, you name it. All communities have their bad apples, none of them are safe from it
The difference being is that in this case its the entire fucking fandom, every last one of them is disgusting.
true words 👍ty
I agree with that....and if the majority of the furry community was just sharing wholesome drawings and occasionally wearing a costume, I wouldn't mind including them in that grouping.
However, while *_all_* communities have their issues, the furry community seems to be predisposed to attracting perverse criminals.
That's the issue. Sure, there are speed runners that fake times, there are assholes in chess, etc. ....gr 00ming, SA of animals?
That's an entirely different thing.
Same thing with Bronies. It's a community that attracts kids and people that would like to victimize those kids.
Furrys are the worst
@@TheHibbitydibbitythere are people who are in the chess community and such who are sexual predators tho. you just don’t hear reporters saying “Chess player accused of three cases of statutory rape” cause people don’t care whether someone plays chess, or plays videogames or something. the furry community is one that people have been trying to demonize since it’s inception in the 80’s. you’re always going to hear when a furry is a predator or a criminal, because it’s something reporters think is worth pointing out.
no one’s gonna say “hot wheels collector accused of kidnapping and withholding 4 minors in his basement” or “elder scrolls 5: skyrim enthusiast accused of possessing child p*rn” cause no one cares about those details. it’s the same reason the sexuality/gender identity of queer people are always stated in a headline when one of them may commit a crime, even if their identity has nothing to do with the crime they committed. it’s gives people ammo to say “see? i told you those gays were all groomers” or “see? trans people ARE pedophiles. i was right”
the media doesn’t care about people. they will use whatever they can in a headline to get more clicks. and when you put, in your headline, that the person who committed any given crime was a “furry”, that’s gonna pull more people in.
it’s gonna pull furries in, cause they wanna see how bad this is gonna make the community look. it’s gonna anti-furs cause they wanna prove a point. and it’s gonna pull in people who don’t know what “furries” are, cause they’re curious to know what a furry is what what significance it holds to the case. Thus, more clicks and more ad revenue for whatever journalism outlet made the post.
Yes, every community has bad apples. but the furry community looks worse because people want to make us look worse. people care about the “abnormal traits” of a criminal, so as to try to parse out why someone may have done what they did. and being a furry is seen as “abnormal”. humans like to jump to conclusions, so when they hear that someone sexually assaulted an animal, and then they hear that the person was also apart of a strange subculture of people who are often scrutinized and looked down upon, the reader is going to assume that those two things directly correlate, because those two things are the two most defining things about the offender, and thus, must be connected somehow.
but it doesn’t always work that way. there could be a person who dips plums in a tub of vinegar, slices them open, drizzles them with olive oil and chocolate sauce and then sprinkles rabbit shit on it and then eats it. but if that person were to then proceed to rape an innocent person, no one would ever correlate those two things. because no one cares. but people care about furries. whether it’s to demonize them, or support them, or ridicule them, or fucking kill them, people care about the existence of furries. and news outlets know this, so whenever a furry does some weird shit, the media is going to make sure as many people as possible know about it, as well as the fact that the person is a furry
that’s why we seem so much worse. because people go out of their way to make us seem worse
Moral of the story: No place is safe from the darkness.
Especially the place that says it's the light
@electric4kery deep
so pretty much religion is the biggest thread
@@electrickery
Nope its just being a furry is disscuasting and worng
@@rhishere2265 gotta bring more to the conversation than that bro
Your one of the few youtubers that I actually take the time to comment on their videos, really enjoyed this video! You excellently displayed all of the information un-biasedly. Have a good one!
I swear your word is absolutely correct, this RUclipsr is *unlike many content creators who take news from Facebook/X(formally known as Twitter) and just read it load without edition nor concluding*
He searched using news and video/audio file, he tell everything in detail without fearing of violence yt terms and condition and best of all, his *well edited* videos
this guy is so underrated despite of his massive views
What do you mean? A lot of the info was wrong and it was biased as fuck xD
@@KLARIZsaf "MFF also known as Anthrocon" - lazy sensationalist garbage. Yet another bullshit "deep dive" from a parasitic youtuber.
@@KLARIZsafMe when I purposefully spread false information just to rile people up because I'm sad and a subhuman:
@@iaminsideyourwalls2021 You do you, personally I don't spread false information. But If you wanna be a sad subhuman pop off sis.
Anyone who calls themselves a MAP should be reported to the authorities.
Or should report themselves to the authorities to seek any kind of help before they do something they will never be able to take back that leaves permanent damage.
@ceeinfiniti1389 That would require them to feel guilty about their urges, which I doubt if they call themselves MAPs.
@@NotMyRealName6 True, but for whatever minute few are able to feel guilty or know what they're into isn't right, that's all we can hope for them to do, before they do something that forces everyone else to step in and interfere.
@@NotMyRealName6what a MAP?
@@milangames14 "Minor Attracted Person". Basically, pedos tried to give themselves a politically correct name.
As someone who doesn't really care for furries like that, this is just heartbreaking and disgusting . . . I really do dislike the bad people in fandoms. It ruins it for everyone.
Oh no. 😰🫵
Don't hate the fandom, hate the people who made it that way. And use that hate to drive being a better person. And if you don't like the fandom, you can still enjoy the thing yourself or with a few friends. With furry that's probably for the best and the safest way.
Its not the fandom thats at fault, its just some stupid people. But this doesn't mean that all furries are bad at all, literally every community/fandom has people like this
@electrickery lol the way I worded it was a bit off, but this is what im trying to say. Ty
@@electrickery i think i'd rather hate the fandom. it gets the most point across because it takes bad people and good people doing nothing to get to this point.
@@Lunkie you got to stop with defense of not everyone is bad and trying to use other communities to look better. it doesn't add anything. a problem has to be dealt with no matter how small it is or perceived.
This only scratches the surface, keep searching and you'll be falling/thrusting down into a rabbit hole
how do you 200 likes in 2 minutes?
how much for the boted likes?
@zachzerk
@@kiratwo4u zachzerk
Please don’t make that joke ever again, lol
This is actually… surprisingly respectful. Did not expect this here, seeing this recommended I was filled with dread but decided to give it a chance.
Me too
Yeah, I’m glad it’s respectful! If only some of the comments could share the same rederict.
@Forthakine you’d be surprised how rarely that very important rule is followed
Same here! I was super glad I decided to watch this.
@@stellanovaluna because sensationalism gets clicks whether it's true or not
22:30 dude the fact that my grandparents, several friends, and my school are all very close to that incident is crazy
Aaand you doxxed yourself...
21:40 Midwest Furfest & Anthrocon are two separate conventions taking place in early December and early July respectively.
Someone has to make his info correct, then.
@@TwizzTBD it's the average "furry discussion" channel who actually has no idea what they are talking about.
Its a mistake
Gotta bring a flamethrower there
How do you know? 🤔
Someone told me a very valuable thing: it doesnt matter how much good a group does, there are guys who do something evil and it's a patch for the entire community.
I had a chat with someone who also said that "creeps in furry fandom in the USA are not caused by the fact fandom supposedly harbors them, but the fact the number of creeps in the USA is very high".
There is something in that statement, since I very rarely hear anything heinous in European furry fandom, with most of it being drama of not holding personal space boundaries at most.
Wait, that's actually a good statement!
that's how it goes. it eventually turns into a scar if left alone. i do find it a bit funny of the european fandom because the most toxic furry i seen was there but interact more with the usa side. It seems to be bad all the way through but obviously certain parts stand out more except maybe japan branch that i never ever heard of at all.
You very rarely hear anything about the European furry fandom because speaking up about it gets you banned from the events very quickly. Most of the creeps are involved in running things.
@@zeosummers3984 I've seen it the other way too. The nicest furry I know doesn't have anything to do with the European scene and goes to US cons
Both of those statements are really on point. They just ruin it for everyone else.
You highlighted the problems of the fandom without giving everyone the wrong idea about them or going on an unjustified tirade about how the community should be destroyed. And throughout all of it you maintained your professionalism. My hat is off to you.
He literally said "while all these furrys are deranged and disturbing" at 21:05...
Hhhh, there's so much drama within the furry fandom. But, I often avoid a lot of things as much as possible. A lot of negativity, people tend to focus on just the bad things that happened. I may be a pokemon furry myself, but I am not one who trusts anyone that I don't know. Sure, I might talk to them, but it's moreso to learn more about someone. I've met absolute creeps in the fandom which I have gone to immediately warn my family and my family's friends about them especially when they are anywhere near them or I had encountered them. In the end, it's all about the safety of everyone, it's all I care about and that people are having fun as well. If the fandom was nothing but a terrible place, I would have abandoned it years ago, but it's fun and safe, if you know where to go, most of the time. I'm just really happy with how this video spoke about the topic instead of rather taking sides or leaving open ends to assumptions that everyone in the community is the same, cause, in the end, we're all people of different places, backgrounds and interests within the same community. And people outside of the fandom, same thing with them.
@@niha917he was referring to the ones that did the most screwed up things did he not??? Not the entire community itself?
Tbh Louis has a point. Not only furries ruined our society horribly, most furries are just some no life weirdos.
@@niha917 he meant the Zoos and Pedos genius
As a furry, I *never by God* want to come across any of these here mentioned.
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Same
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You a furry? Prepare for unforeseen consequences.
I respect furries more bc of this vid
So with that u to
I remember when you had around 200k subs now you have almost 500k, keep up the grind
This is why people think furrys are all like that! Its sick.
It's saddening, not all of us are bad, we're sure of it-
@@ThugShakerCentral54ye, im furry , but anti-furry too cuz SOME FURRIES are just ABSOLUTELY INSANE, and they just give a bad name to our comunity
I think for most, maybe the whole thing with mostly grown people having this obsession also plays a part, j/s. But to each his own.
@claytoncoker6489 yes, but I mean that's the same for anime and MLP. So I don't really get that particular argument when it's brought up.
@@sonic3224Gamer Anime is extremely broad, and can attract all kinds of people.
But a children's tv show with ponies and anthropomorphic animals? Yeah, that is not exactly going to attract people who like animated action or dark fantasy.
It’s really disturbing that something as innocent as cosplaying as different animals has such a terrible reputation because terrible people always come through
EDIT: Jesus Christ I think I’ve started a war
fr. every community has bad people but it's how they deal with it that makes the difference.
Even in such a nice thing, we live in an imperfect world, and we need to defend it
@@christooping exactly. as the saying goes. the only thing needed for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. the opposite of good isn't evil, it's apathy
Yeah people only hate on the furry community for the bad people in it but people don't hate on anti furrys who have literally threatened death on people
@@electrickery That is not the opposite, it is evil's catalyst.
No matter if something becomes super popular....
There will always be a bad side of a fandom.
Next please make "The dark side of Football fandom"
i cant tell if this is a joke or not, but i agree
I feel bad for real football fans who have seen their hobby co-opted by people to cover up their disgusting behaviour. This would make a great video.
american football or soccer.
@@zeosummers3984 well there was that war in Central America started over a soccer game...
I thought this was a joke at first
As a furry, i'm sorry there are people like this in the furry community. I do not support evil people like this whatsoever. I never did and never will. People who are toxic,etc and in the furry fandom are disgusting. It really dissapoints me.
What’re you apologizing for?
It's Not your fault
just don't be one of the bad people, you're good.
Also you're invited to post a comment on my upcoming post! just post a comment on anything and i may use it as my short.👍
Thx for accepting us I thought ppl would come here to look for furrys explaining how the community isn’t all that and tell them there wrong,so yea thx :3
There will be always horrid peoples in any types of fandom/community.
i really think you should make a part two and talk about two HORRIFIC people, KeroTheWolf and SnakeThing. they are absolute monsters dude
Kero is not that bad. The real monsters are snake thing, Tim Win and Woof.
@@ruslanotarov9727Kero is still very bad!
Oh yeah they’re so horrible. Snakething is the worst and got 25 years in prison. Kero from the evidence is more to do with bestiality, but he got away it cos from where he lives, the statue of limitation was 2 years which had past. Don’t agree with that law at all
@@TyroClint Tim Win is the worst by far and is free and nobody is looking for him. Actually snake thing is the only person who got real punishment.
the 60 years old guy is just springtrap 💀
da springlock failure
Bro fr he even had the rotting smell, the second I saw his fur suit I imidientley got William afton vibes
maybe he misheard Cawthon as "scott PAWthon" and thought, well not i have to be a furry to do my thing 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
i felt like i was being spring locked when i saw the furries in this video
That suit is nightmare fuel.
the dude who made his suit out of chopped up victims of his weird plush shit sounds like a horror story.
Like it sounds like a campfire story you'd hear. How do we actually live in the same world as people like that? I feel bad for furries, They get their rep tainted by creeps like that.
Guy made a suit out of his dog with the help of his boyfriend
@@Sp0tsNStripes That is disgusting.
They're ALL creeps, man. The entire thing is tainted.
@@Sp0tsNStripes I've heard that story, that one was actually made up by antifurs
(I'm not a furry)You're completely right, people like that cause the entire fandom to just get bullied, I have a friend who is also a furry and got bullied so much for it that he became depressed. Luckily he's doing much better now and still enjoying the furry fandom.
Thanks for this. Remember, instead of using this information against the furry fandom, use it to be aware of the dangers of the fandom so you could avoid it and bring awareness to it:-0
that and people need to be more forward. if so many furries weren't so worried about reputations and impressing people, and being more forward about the flaws, then we wouldn't have the bad reputation issue. Like, if you're honest, and show the good AND bad, and discuss it, it both makes people more aware of the dangers of the internet as a whole, as well as the furry community, and it'd show that there isn't anything to hide.
@@Its_Asteria fully agreed
his list was kinda tame, theres far worse ones out there.
This whole comment section is horrid. There’s people defending themselves because they’re innocent, others are defending the entire community and others are hating on them.
I wish more people would talk about the video itself
I must not have the same chat log as you guys.
It’s basically the generic furry fandom comment section. I just applauded the RUclipsr for making this video because I’m sick of the “all furries are zoos” and “the furry fandom is doing great” and “kill all furries” and “I’m so sigma for saying this generic bullshit” excuses. I’m fricking tired of it. It’s so repetitive.
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@@Brwigames That's...interesting.
Everyone says that every community has a good side and a bad side, but no one says in what proportion.
Just wish to not met any kind of negative people.
The proportions are the same of any other fandom. But because it's such a big community (it's a fandom of a concept, not a show or game), the bad side appears bigger than any other fandom. It's sheer size.
Great video. I was a part of this "community" for 20 years. Was involved in organising events for a lot of that time. Gave up after the aftermath of the stuff you mentioned. There's one in the US who was and still is on several con's AV crews, outed in the Leaks, and the conventions he worked for doubled down and refused to take action or engage with the community. Furries just dismissed it and kept going to those cons.
The only reason these people are in jail is because others collected the evidence and took it to the authorities. If it was left to furries - and I say that as someone who used to be one - this would have been covered up.
Even today anyone talking about it is usually banned from furry chats. They call it "drama". It's a word they use to describe everything from petty fights to criminal acts. Everything has to be covered up to make the scene look good.
Wow, your comment reminds me of a spy returning from a secret elite club coming back to share all of there nasty secrets. W comment. And I'm glad you're making people aware of what's going on in there strange community from a witness.
@@TBATG Thank you. I met some very nice people there and I consider myself lucky they are still my friends (maybe not if they see this post). It's all I can do, the furries won't police themselves. I used to think they could but after 10 years trying I knew I was treading water. It was destroying me.
I still like the creativity and the art but so many of the good people left because they were either smeared or abused.
Furry cons are very political inside, I saw lots of nepotism. I even saw staff talking openly about how they hate attendees (specific ones or all), wanted bad things to happen to them, or how they could do anything they liked because furries would just keep giving them money to go to the con and couldn't afford to sue them. we raised all of it but directors told us if we didn't like it we could quit.
we tried to start a new con but the chairperson of the con we left called our venue and smeared us and threatened them, and badmouthed us to their attendees. we had to abandon it. and the furries we thought were our "friends" who'd come to the con and support us, just laughed and said they were going to go to the other con because everyone was going there and "they didn't go for the staff".
@@electrickery thats nice
how come people who are still in the fandom just can't say this? It always seem that you have to have a furry who walked away from it to get any meaningful detail.
@@electrickery wow just wow. this is kinda what i feel like people outside of furries should know instead of their picture perfect appearance. i always question if i'm crazy every time i run into a hooplah of conundrums and every furries just don't see it. like that furry is clearly going after that person.
I- wasn’t expecting this one
... have you never heard of a furry "blanking" a minor? That happened in my city once.
what the hell oh my god no way ay ayy
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About the chlorine gas attack, you said it happened at the midwest furfest convention and then called it anthrocon which are two seperate conventions. Just FYI.
to any children. if you're being groomed or you see a predator talking to you or a friend online tell you're parents, don't tell the police or you're friends tell you're parent's
Brooooooooooooooooooooooo. Your grammar Is atrocious, *your not you're. Dummy, i bet you Are American And dont know it.
Good message but pls go back to School🗿
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@Kawyawymawy that sucks really bad man. if you cant talk to your parents you should tell an authority figure like teacher or the police. remember, there will always be people who will listen and help :D
Not a good idea, some parents are toxic or abusive. I'd say tell any adult you trust, regardless of whether they're a police officer, teacher, counselor, or family member.
Source: been groomed online before, my parents blamed me for it and pressured me into staying silent. It was my music teacher, close friends, school counselors, and the detective at my local law enforcement agency who believed in me. I'm an adult now and our relationship has rekindled a good bit, but it really sucked and contributed to the trauma more than it helped. Although my parents have changed for the better, this will always be a deep scar on our relationship and I never stopped feeling bitter when I recall these memories.
Why not the police?
Oh, my. This is going to be quite the video. A Visual Venture, to say the least.
Visual Venture should do a video about Incel Weeaboos next
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He got Midwest Furfest and Anthrocon mixed up.
Midwest Furfest only takes place in Chicago. Anthrocon in Pittsburg Pennsylvania. I can see where the confusion may stem from because they fight over the number one spot for largest convention every year. They are two different conventions though.
Yea and furthest is one of the most bullying hateful places I’ve ever been to
Midwest fur-ngelica.
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@_BluePortal_ it's literally events in entirely different states across the US lol.
This was a really good video man. You actually put some time into this.
"A headpiece can cost $2500"
BRO MY RIBCAGE SURGERY WAS CHEAPER
Wait till you see the Protogen suit like 5k-10k I’ve seen
@@sprucetypewriter My brain is rotting rn
Who in their mind would spend so much for a fucking suit which if you wear people most likely will just call you a weirdo
@@yippeeenjoyerdude they can just make their own fursuit
@@yippeeenjoyerblame the peoples selling the suit
Yea i don’t understand why the price of a damn suit
@@Glitchmouse2the only reason suit makers charge so much is not just for the materials it’s the time they put into making it. I can contest to that after making my first suit it took me three months to finish it was a time suck
I’m not, a furry, but I know someone who is. My friend looks at being a furry as an art project, and a way she can express herself. It horrifies me that some people give the fandom such a horrible reputation, because I also know that many other people just use it as a way to express themselves too.
Your friend isn't an artist, she's mentally ill.
Yeah, we’re just doing what makes us happy, and then horrifying people somehow find a way to ruin our entire community
😢
Finally a good comment!
Fucking I just see him as a mask online to not make an online foot print or a character I can relate my self to and draw off of. There are fucked up furry out there but there still are some good ones.
Man idk with furrys, like I have a friend that is a furry and he's a great friend, but I've had 3 friends that were furrys turn out to be pedos. also (this isnt really just for this community but whatever) I feel like when you're face is covered by a mask you are just a completely different person. right now my stance is if I see a furry I just won't talk to em so I guess a semi-neutral stance. (Also if you're sexually rping as characters from a kids show or in a kids game you're just weird)
The basics of it all is that theres horrible people among every fandom and that it isn't just the furry fandom that is like this
Very true. My company sent me to an IT conference about 10 years ago and they were warning people not to bring valuables downstairs. People were being pushed into the pool and obviously that ruined everything in their pockets. Nobody got warned or banned for pushing, they pushed it all on the victims... Thankfully some fandoms/spaces had scandals and vowed to improve. This year I went back and nobody got pushed.
fr, and usually furries slide their ways into other fandoms
Non-mainstream fandoms are a breeding ground for creeps
This
@@include-bit its a big thing and panelists encourage it. watch some of the sam conway panels from anthrocon. it's almost religious, people are told to only tell the good about furry and encourage them to join
Something I love about this is that it expresses that not ALL furries should be hated, as a furry myself, just really the ones that are zoophiles and do...well, you know. Those people who do involve in those disgusting activities are not welcome into the furry/therian community. Some furries are good, kind, and ALL of us hate people who do those type of actions.
Just remember that hating on someone for liking anthromorphic animals and does NOT involve with the actions displayed in the video is wrong.
It's just the zoophiles and the others that participate in actions such as those.
And people do need to recognize that the furry community is NOT the only community that have these horrible people in it.
Making a zoo acceptance community is ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING. NO. They should not be accepted by any means for doing that, and they never will.
My thing is why was sappho confessing like being a zoophile is a totally normal thing and everyone was going to celebrate her for her bravery. She was acting like it was okay to say she was a zoophile like someone would do if they're telling people they were gay.
she had such confidence that its actually scary how much confidence she had. like its wild
Hm.
Idk what the hell she was thinking; the backlash was immediate and enourmous.
@@FoxSullivanas it should be. I'm not a furry myself, but I play VRChat I have a LOT of furry friends and I'd know all of them were disgusted with Sappho when I mentioned it if they didn't know about it already, people like her are why people hate furries in general, it's the reason I had a negative opinion about furries before I started playing VRChat and met most of my friends
This is something that seems to be very common among both zoos and pedos. It's so gross that I've had to block immediately multiple people who have it in their bios EVERYWHERE. They fully believe they're not mentally ill and that they're persecuted. It's actually disgusting.
Im not a fan of furries 1:50 BUT GODAMN THAT SHARK SUIT GOES HARD.
FOR REAL🗣🔥
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It ain’t even a fursuit- IT DOESNT HAVE FUR PLUS the only thing that’s “human like” are the legs. That’s it.
@@ToodalooYT what else do we call it then
@@fox.fie1d it’s a costume
😭😭 bro the fact younger ppl are getting involved, even with the innocent things it leads to really bad stuff even if you say it's innocent they will eventually end up down a rabbit hole 😭😭
Yeah, its terrible. Without proper moderation, they turn into degenerates. :(
Wow, that's awful. When I was young, we had after school or summer jobs, not weird hobbies.
@@Chip_Doubledip yea it's just that especially after the pandemic kids were just more exposed to the internet and they got attached to it in a way
@@pookieluh I can understand kids get caught up in crazy things, it's part of growing up as the consequences are there to teach us, but a lot of these people are full grown adults and that's kinda scary.
@@Chip_Doubledip yeah and the fact there's all these adults its easier for kids to get influenced or groomed
As someone formally in the furry community, it’s so difficult to stay away from creeps, especially in the art side
These people are bareley even human in my eyes (zoos and the people in the video, not furries)
And to think how many still exist in the fandom. it makes me *shiver*
And to think how many there are, and how many community leaders supported them and still do. Archive The Wolf's videos on here about that are terrifying.
@@electrickery yea. Definitely not the best thought, but must be agnowledged (dont know if i spelled that right)
@@Cape34770 "acknowledged". don't worry, it's a hard word to spell :)
@@electrickery yea, sorry about that
@@electrickery The fuck are you on about "community leaders"? The fandom isn't some clubhouse that you have to get invited to. No one can control an entire group of thousands of people like that.
I get tired of people thinking that others can just stop someone in this fandom from being a bad person. I am not responsible for the actions of anyone but myself.
I love how this is treated as a legit documentary and the seriousness in the guy's voice
I presume you are a hater?
@@mgg1244 and thats the reason why your mental illness group is a joke
@@mgg1244how
@@mgg1244 idk it seemed pretty unbiased with the clarification that this is the DARK SIDE
@@mgg1244 HOW!?!?!?!?
Thank you for your videos! And while many of the stories in this video are serious and disturbing, I still enjoy watching news anchors trying to explain the furry community to their audience. 😀 Thanks again!
So that is why anti furry comunities exist
I love your ominous background music and editing skills it makes the video more interesting also the sound effects are completely amazing and on point im definitely subscribing to ya
3:58 “would you be ok to send through an extra 1k”
No. Hell no. 1000 times no. I don’t care what you’re going through. If i purchased something from an online seller, its either give the product or refund my money. I’m not “giving” additional money, paying your phone bill, insurance AND car payment, just so you can be bothered to send me something I already purchased. Whoever got scammed like that is a moron with more money than sense.
A lot of furries are autistic, so unfortunately, they're susceptible to manipulation. Tons of furries are also just VERY kind people in general. I've done commission work for many furries who've tipped me generously
Years ago, I ran into someone like that on eBay. First it was "can't send it right now because my mom just died," then it was not having enough money for postage. At that point, I demanded a refund, which I never got. They eventually got thrown off eBay, but it took a while.
@@janebeckman3431 that reminds me of the infamous "white ranger helmet" fiasco that was in the cosplay community. people paid thousands for that helmet and never got it. guy kept jerking them around until everyone got wise and said "dont buy"
As a member of this community, I really hope the dark side somehow gets seperated from the main community....
Your community tried and failed
@@RobotSkullDogDemonSummoner Well, things were looking a bit better lately.
@sci643 are you sure about that also isn't this the community that banned and then unbanned someone who had a confederate fursuit because he said that he would "stop what he was doing"
@sci643 and DON'T GET ME STARTED on the carpet sample fursuit
@@RobotSkullDogDemonSummoner You are currently repeating the same 2 stories I keep hearing. More than 99% of the fandom has nothing to do with this.
As a furry, thank you for shedding light on the fandom, and telling the people looking in from the outside, that its not the fandom that is the problem, but the bad apples. Every community has some of those, just ours give the rest of us a bad rap. Been a furry for 16 years and counting, i have met some myself, currently i also moderate a big community of furries so... i get close and personal with the outcast of our community. I am just glad that RUclipsrs like you don't cast shade at all of us and let others know that not all of us is the problem. Thank you.
This is absolutely terrifying
@21:37 you messed up, anthrocon and Midwestfurfest are two seperate events at opposite ends of the calender, one is summer onenis winters and 12 people had permanent damage to their lungs because they ran theough the bottom of the stairwell to the emergency exit where all the chlorine settled
this is the biggest who asked moment ngl
Sorry to be this person but…
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Dude!!! You are such a dedicated Creator!! please make some side series because your voice is so nice!! Your delivery is top notch. All I'm saying. And thank you for the content
honest thanks for not generalizing, and giving emphasizing on the fact that not all of us are disgusting degenerates
I've been a furry for 6 years and so happy I never really got into the fandom, apart from drawing for myself and commissioning a safe artist once when I was 16 💀. I've never really talked to other furries, but a few weeks ago I ran into an old friend who talked to me about it. He told me how much he tried to get into the scene, but after meeting really weird people in the community, he quickly quit. I told him to just be a furry by himself, but now he wants nothing more to do with it. To me it's just sad that this fandom can be so ugly if you're not careful enough.
I also would have gone to some conventions a long time ago, but this is exactly the reason that keeps me away :c
Bros a animal fucker 😂😂
I'm glad things are going well for you, Cuz I can't really say the same. From what I've seen in content like this and even first-hand, Im not really sure if this is a label I want to wear.
@@Celestiyee same
That's good, but don't be too restrained by what is 'normal'.
niga kys
Thank you for bringing to light ❤😢It’s heartbreaking ❤️🩹 and gut wrenching
I wish the furry fandom didn’t have people like kero or maybe worse so that we wouldn’t have to be bullied for someone else’s actions in the community :( I know that every community will have a bad side to it and it’s kinda inevitable but man I wish it wasn’t always like this
Better to wish for effective community leaders who would ban people like kero instead of supporting them and giving them staff or special guest status at events.
@@electrickery i actually had no idea who kero is until til I heard about the news about him being a zoophile also idk what you mean by supporting them cuz I don’t
@@Faunadude no idea who you are but look at what happened with Growly and Tane/Digivolve. Directors of some of the largest cons in the world defended both of them. that was my point. but if you bought tickets to those events - then yes, you supported that.
@@electrickery oh my god that’s horrible D:
bro show real creativity in naming the chapters ...well done ..
As a furry, I hate this portion of the community quite a bit. I never understood why furries would do things like this. I’ve gotten harassed online and in real life too. I just wish people would watch videos like this more, not base it off of what someone else says, when they even heard it from someone else.
Evry comunity has it's dark side. I used too like antropomorfic art as a kid because of ratchet and clank. Never caught on as a hobby for me but most of the people I met we're okay.
Furrys are a weird bunch
@@lukeeagan5961yeah, but *most* are good people. dont go out hating on them unless they are part of the bad side.
It's always a few that ruins it for everyone else
not an excuse. you shouldnt be a furry regardless. having any sort of relation with an animal is horrifying
i have seen some things from there community both good and bad and lets say most of the people i came across where on a game called vrchat some would be chill mean while others would just constantly annoying or threaten me for no reason
Honestly, I can probably make a static of there community and it could be accurate. About 48% of there community are alright and cool people, while the other percent, is full of weirdos, f**ishes, and just disgusting people honestly.
someone told me that vrchat is just like that. it got such a pass from everyone that i feel that was sort of normal.
@@zeosummers3984 heard the same from furries in the fandom - "furry fandom is just like that, the misogyny and abuse are normal, you just have to accept it"
@@zeosummers3984 heard the same from furries in the fandom - "furry fandom is just like that, the misogyny and abuse are normal, you just have to accept it"
I appreciate that you describe these issues as problems that the furry community has had to deal with rather than problems with the furry community as a whole
@samvivash1017 you're right, some of them try to appear nice but I once triggered one and discovered VERY disturbing shit.
Not to mention the fetishes. I will never waste time on these sites. However, there's nothing wrong in terms of art depicting anthropomorphic animals or cosplaying.
@FuntimeKittenFNaFQueenyour not fucking fooling anybody champ, your “fandom” is a place for perverts and deviants
Pretty fair assessments. Lots of drama in the fandom but it's also got a lot of positivity. I knew the Yosts, they would go to a local furry Meetup. One thing I noticed is Midwest fur fest is not anthrocon they are two separate cons.
I'm guessing you didn't mention Kero out of fear of getting demonitized, huh?
Now I'm interested in knowing who Kero is
@@BatJesterjust YT him, awful human being, zoolophile, abuser, etc - absolutely vile. Was a popular "furry youtuber" before being outed as an animal abuser. Trigger warning its pretty twisted, disturbing stuff - be warned!
The one positive consequence ive noticed coming out of this is that a lot more Furrues are being diligent and holding rapists/zoolophiles/pedos accountable, which truly, something people need to do.
@@BatJester Calls himself Radiance now. Furry animal abuser. One of many who were outed in the Zoosadism Leaks in 2018. Some of his friends are in prison now. Might not have been demonetising, more that there's not much to say about him that hasn't already been said.
What did this Kero person cook?
@@FryingWater he screwed roadkill and his own dog to death
I am disgusted on this part of the furry fandom. I'm grateful that I have not come across any of these people personally, but I am still horrified on how much furries are like this.
Honestly I can't really blame people for disliking us, seeing all this.
You're not any better 😂😂
@@Chef_curry_30. Why not?
@@Chef_curry_30. If you consider people bad just for liking antophromorphic animals, maybe you are the problem here.
@@Kyrikrliy if you consider people that find animals with human body parts attractive as good people you're the problem their basically still animals doesn't matter if it has human arms and legs they still are based on animals so all furrys are zoos thanks for proving my point zoo 🤣🤣
Istg, just don’t be a furry, for your own good
The last concerning part that you mentioned about is not just happening within the furry community but also by other youtubers and I hope they'll stop doing that... its concerning how youtube dosen't have proper restrictions for those kind of things... Terryfing(scary).
I actually have a furry friend in roblox. While I was playing mm2, a whole lot of people especially this girl were BASHING on him. I stopped them and reassured her to only be aware of zoophiles. Anyways, after that, he asked me to join in a private server in mm2, and he actually gave me a legendary knife! I was forever grateful for his gratitude towards my kindness
I can see why most people don’t like the furry community all that much. People like these kind of soiled their reputation
and after all the hard work in the 2000s and 2010s by people to get it away from "just a disgusting sex thing". we were really making great strides - we being some of the people I worked with who were involved in that
1:50 That shark dude looks sick af
L9
fr best costume there
he can stay others are just uncanny for me
i was thinking about that and i see others are also the same
Easily the most respected furry on that landfill
ur videos are so interesting to me.. im literally drawing and watching ur videos..!
To be honest, I like furry characters because I was born from enjoying cartoons like Looney Tunes and TMNT, and even classic games like Sonic the Hedgehog and Pokemon. While I do question myself whether I'm a furry because of this vid, and even if I am one, I hardly join any fandom since I can control myself for not going over the limit. I don't go wearing costumes nor join VRChats, but would share some OC characters if possible with respect. I know you're not trying to say all furries are evil as introduced (while sometimes you sound like it is) because not everybody are like them, and I respect that. It's just people misunderstand as stereotypes takes things too offensive to certain people's likes.
National geographic covering this is crazy 8:51
I know right, gotta love nat geo
Listen, im not a furry, but not all furries are like this. Some furries are actually really kind and gentle towards people. Some furries are actually exactly what this video says.
Facts
Furry here, I deem this message furry approved
@@_softiyou can never trust a furry
- mfs who arent gullibe
@@_softi nah i dont believe you
@@7RicolmE7 bro can't accept that sometimes people are nice despite a simple title
I’m happy that you highlighted that it’s NOT ALL furries that do the bad things. The saddest thing is that people turn it into a stereotype and give all furries a bad light
The sad part is that it's not even "Most" or even "A lot" of us.
But that doesn't matter. We aren't socially normal, and to irate boomers and brain-rotted internet dwellers, that means we're all just like Sappho, Foxler, Jasonafex, Kaiber, and Jay Naylor.
I'm a furry myself, thought of myself as a furry for 2-4 years now, however I'm painfully aware of the darkside of the community and hate that that side is so awful and so well known that its been glued to what people think of when they think of furries
overall people will think of furries being kind because they don’t really want to know what is going on the furry fandom but i’m glad you’re aware of the fandom
@ hello I’ve got some people told me that I must like to “do it” with animals just because I felt attracted to anthro characters and said that an animals an animal, even if it’s a Anthro
I appreciate the unbiased discussion but, just for the record, Midwest FurFest and Anthrocon are two separate conventions
11:10 the way she threw someone 😭💀
just saying this only represents part of the community and isnt representative of everyone who is a furry I'm sure there are many good furries
It's called "the dark side" not "The"
We're not all that bad...but there are some subcommunities that are BAD
TBH i hate ppl who say all furs are zoophiles. Very few are and now all of us being called zoos???
A few rotten apples spoils the whole bunch as they say.
These people were zoo's before the fandom and are the reason we have stuff like aids. They commit illegal acts and drag real furries down with them.
What sucks is that they get away with it. It doesn't matter that they get sent to jail, the damage is done instantly.
It saddens me to have this community being hated by so many people that don't inform themselves and maybe just want to get rid of the real bad people but rather hate and threaten innocent, friendly furries.
When will the world learn to differenciate (between good and bad).
because first impressions are everything. if someone has a bad first impression, and are not open minded, they will associate that thing with their first impression forever
As a furry myself I would like to inform people that 98 percent of the furry fandom are not bad people. Zoophilia is truly fucked up and needs to be stoped. Not all furry are predators. I’m considered a chill furry since I just mind my own business and don’t do these horrible acts.
You sure bout that? Y'all just mentioned yourself as a furry,
.. Everyone else here is anti Furry....
Nah, Were chill, we know not all furries are bad
Take care bro,.. Don't trust Social media, Trust yourself and stay as yourself
@@Ackerman_9098 thanks for the advice!
Stay safe out here. Bad people are everywhere ❤
@@Laurasophiesmith Agreed, I had My Encounters with Evil people........Ngl, Satan Has control over the world nowadays 😓😓😓😭
14:16 Overland Park, Kansas is the location/setting of the comedy RUclips series "MPGIS", so for anyone who wants some comedy content after this deep dive of the park side of the fandom, hopefully this spurs some relief
So true as I really have part of the furry fandom since the Mid-2000’s, and things are so different now than what I grew up with after watching a couple of furry TV shows, as furry characters, most of which were human like, but almost were not human.
How have things changed since you got into it?
@@electrickery Well, I've been through a lot, such as being discriminated for being a mixed-breed specie humanoid being, that I feel like this life is just no longer living, in that I tried so hard to be an artist, as FurAffinity and DeviantArt straight up banned me for tracing artists' works, as I no longer see myself as a furry, or a furry artist, as I just feel and perceive myself, as putrid, grimy bacteria, that I want to die now, as I'm just straight up toxic to myself and everyone around me now.
ngl extremely weird to use my footage, especially in a sensitive topic. how did my asmr ‘drawing your fursona’ video went from that to being used as a segway clip to talk about cub art, kinda weird … wished i was approached prior.
You can DMCA strike him..
its fair-use .@@sur-r.e.a-_tis-ch if he does that, that's DMCA abuse and is a lawsuit in itself.
@@sur-r.e.a-_tis-chFree use is a thing.
@@sur-r.e.a-_tis-ch Yes please DMCA strike him. This guy's a bigoted joke.
@@sur-r.e.a-_tis-chThat's a bit harsh there. What stuff is there that's safe to use anymore? It's good that ASMR has safe videos, so that's a major plus considering it's one of the few safe things in the sea of unsafe featured in the video
3:50 i’m a little concerned that people weren’t reading the whole thing and didn’t realize that they said 7k WITH SHIPPING
Correction: Not Anthrocon. It was Midwest Furfest
On December 7, 2014, Midwest FurFest was targeted by a chlorine gas attack, hospitalizing 19 attendees.
Great video, very interesting. Plus, props for using the "toe the line" expression correctly at 16m21s!
Just came across this video and well I was a customer of SugarNSpice; can confirm these things happened to both my wife and I. So I greatly appreciate that segment of the video
I really appreciate the effort you put into this video, it is clear, concise, and really good in quality. Each fandom has it's dark side, the furry fandom is no exception, and this video shines the much needed light on the sh*tty things that need to be fixed.
As a furry,i am horribly disgusted at the fact that some furrys interacring with MINORS in a very inappropriate way. As being a 14yr old,i would say to be carefull on who you meet online,you would never know on whos behind the other screen.
I am a furry and I will instantly side with someone if the try to shit talk the community, it is horrible what some of them do to others or even animals, I wish the community didn't have these weirdos and that it could be normal but that is never happening, the amount of things said to me cause I reside in the same interests as your local zoophile is something I wish I could make up.
It's so disappointing how gross some people are in that community because a lot of furries are some of the nicest people you could ever meet.
creeps
You know, I greatly appreciate this video.
I would like to say that as of recently there has been a large decrease in hate towards furries themselves as people now know who/what kind if people to avoid.
Thanks to you and other content creators like you, you are genuinely helping us greatly by surfacing these prominent issues within the fandom.
You did a great job on this video, and I only hope that it can influence more people to be aware of who to avoid when interacting with this fandom.
Also, as someone who was thrown into the furry community much younger than should be allowed... it is definitely not a community for minors... not until the heavy risks are reduced.
CHEESE
@@SebastianAiello-f3z cheese
I disagree there has probably never been more hate for the community especially over recent events
@@michaelbecket4901 oh yeah it is much more noticeable now
In just the span of the month since this comment was made, things have gone to shit... I have just been too busy with my own stuff to even care
@@CinderTheSkulldog and u see THATS the problem not caring enough to make a difference I’m actually giving evidence to people about jasonafexFA to repeatedly tell authorities about his crimes every day because he has INDEED broken the law and am often told to ‘mind my own business’ or they don’t care about ‘drama’ yet these same people will die on the hill of defending the pedophile it’s sick and unless people repeatedly bring this up to the law it will be ignored HELL furries have been ignoring these problems for DECADES and look where it’s got them their own fandom hates themselves now
Most communities aren’t bad, but all communities have bad people
Im a furry, no i dont own a fursuit or any OCs or anything but i am very glad and im happy that you did so much research to make an educational video to let everyone know the red flags and the faults of the furry fandom and how we can make it a safer and better place. You did a really good job educating and warning the masses of not only the furry community but other communities that are in danger of their very own fandom members, thank you very much and have a good rest of your year,
I aint readin' allat still cringe
@@Kont-Grunwalder Come back when you have a better insult than calling something cringe.
@@Kont-Grunwalderyour hatred of a people equal to yourself may return some day. Be careful
@@Kont-Grunwalder Not being able to read is cringe. Go get an education dude😂
@@Kont-Grunwalderyou literally have to scroll through the comment section to find this one. you obviously took the time out of your day to say this dude just cope
8:35 If I ever found out that somebody had abused my dogs that way they would not be with us for very long. 🤬
Yes. It should be considered crime. Rest of the community doesn't agree with it tho
DID HE HAVE $3X WITH THE DOGS?!?!?
@@JimsC0mput3r That was my understanding.
What the hell is wrong with these furries, that in inhumanie
@@JimsC0mput3rhe did...
This community has two sides, "cringe" yet (thankfully) harmless and the most depraved.
As a 50% furry i can say i play vrchat and fall guys 24/7 and im turning 13 years old next year and when i went to friennis nightclub i enjoyed the party it was normal but when i went the next day the videoplayer has real life gore videos and me and my friend left but that wasn't the last time i went there next server had normal jazz and people at the bar in the world and to this day i moved on from the fnia community (kinda) and moved on to fundamental paper education/baldis basics community and i enjoy the fpe community so thats my story on the world and it was crazy.