that after they gloriously bottled the playoffs to get promoted to the championship the year before after going on an insane winning streak before it 😂😂😂
As an AFC Wimbledon fan it is brilliant to look how we are now a fan owned club in a new stadium back at Plough Lane after nearly 30 years away and we have bigger average attendances than franchise and have been able to gain the support of our local community in South West London in a way they never will in Buckinghamshire. COYD💙💛
Mate, you think you have better fans even though we took more to wrexham, barrow and many more. We beat you 3-1, you've never sold out your little stadium yet we have. Enjoy league 2 next season❤
First of all we do have better fans than you, just ask any opposition fan for their opinion or simply look at the stats as they don't lie. We have a higher average away following than you this season (579 for us and 417 for you lot) and you didn't take more to Wrexham, we took 1119, you took 1115. Also we have sold out our "little" stadium 3 times this season already and have had 10 home games with 8000+ attendances this season as well. In fact our lowest league attendance this season (6996 vs Forest Green) is higher than your season average attendance (6226) says a lot really. Besides, is it better to have a small stadium now that you can actually fill and can expand later and is in the middle of the community or have a virtually empty and soulless stadium in the middle of an out of town retail park like you have? You may have won earlier in the season but there is another game on 2nd March I will remind you where your players get the rarity of playing in front of a decent crowd, unlike when they play at home. To conclude, I know you're obviously a wind up merchant like the rest of your fan base but just thought since you've gone to all that effort to type out that absolute rubbish it's only appropriate I correct your nonsense. See you in League 2 next season.
MK Dons are England’s version of Las Vegas A’s if it actually happens What’s happened in Oakland and Wimbledon are so similar, just replace a soulless stay at Selhurst with an increasing aging Coliseum, and temporary stays in SLC or Summerlin. Charles Koppel is the John Fisher of the story.
@@Vizeh John Fisher is owner of the Oakland Athletics which is right on San Francisco bay in Northern California. He is a nepo baby as his parents founded The Gap clothing stores. He took over majority in 2016 and has been asset stripping them trying to get them a new stadium in Las Vegas. The lease is up and they don't know where the Athletics are going to play for 2025 and the funding for Las Vegas has some hurdles. Not all relocations are bad but this one in particular is because they have been there since the late 60s. One side of the bay is Giants and the other side is Athletics. Fischer also owns a stake in San Jose MLS and Celtic FC.
It’s not the Las Vegas A’s. There’s enough shit involved with the city of Oakland that few people outside of Oakland are going to care about the team moving. They’re the Los Angeles Chargers, right down to the moving just two hours north.
They're not my most hated English football club (which I shall not mention here) but I definitely have a certain aversion towards them. I wasn't even a Wimbledon fan but I was an Austria Salzubrg fan (now Red Bull) so I can understand why MK Dons are so disliked.
@@Vizeh America is probably the only place where our Red Bull team (New York red Bulls) isn't nearly as hated as much, because thanks to MLS league rules it's impossible for them to buy their way to victory like they did everywhere else.
@@JD-ju1is yes and no. Soccer culture is definitely more European and anyone who attended a soccer match in Europe would find things familiar to them. Contrast this with the NFL, who tried to introduce scarves to fans and they didn't know what the hell they were supposed to do lol.
I grew up in Milton Keynes around the time the team moved. Even at age 10 I thought why not just bankroll an amateur team to the top leagues. There was a Milton Keynes FC that as the video says was in the 8th tier. Despite the plans for the stadium predating the club, the stadium wasn't finished by the time the team moved, so they had to play in the national hockey stadium for the first three years. With successive promotions through non-league, we could've had a mighty 5th tier team to debut in that new stadium by then, just one league below where MK Dons were in 2007. The problem was that Winkelman and the investors were not football people. They were property developers. They didn't understand that moving a team would never galvanise popular support. They just saw a team that was going for cheap and a crafty businessman spied an opportunity. Having a stadium hosting a recent premier league team on their plot was attractive for Ikea and Asda. They crunched the numbers and found the increased foot-traffic from a stadium would result in 27.4% more sales, and so they went for it. That was good to get a multi-million pound deal over the line over the span of 5-8 years, but 20 years later and MK Dons is still a joke. If you ask someone in Milton Keynes "where's the stadium", they will tell you "next to Ikea". That sums up the sad reality of the club well. Part of why a football team in Milton Keynes was never able to work is because everyone in MK is from somewhere else. I wasn't born in MK, we moved there because of my dad's work. The people that were born there's parents aren't from there. It's because there was no Milton Keynes before the 70s/80s. It was a village. People's loyalties are to their hometown or their dad's hometown club. The club was always fighting a losing battle for support from the town. The shameful nature of the club's founding only compounds the issue. Milton Keynes was selected to become a city because of population overspill from London and Birmingham, as such its location was selected for being equidistant between both cities, with very good transport between both. I can spend 15 minutes driving to Ikea to watch MK Dons or just an hour to get to Villa Park or the Emirates Stadium. 45 minutes difference between Premier League atmosphere hosting top teams or sitting in a 60% empty stadium where 50% of the fans are the away fans calling you wankers as the 300 Dons ultras break into occasional chants of "no one likes us no one likes us we don't care, etc.". It's very fitting that Milton Keynes is home to The Franchise, because it's a little piece of America in England. The plan for the city was based on the cities of Houston and Dallas (I recall this from a school trip we made to a museum, but I can find no record of this online (yes, Milton Keynes has a museum)); a central hub of economic activity with an enormous shopping centre with rings upon rings of nothing but housing. It's completely unlike any other town in England where settlements organically developed. Milton Keynes was mostly designed in the 80s when the Conservatives were in power and loved everything about America. 20 years later, we had a Las Vegas-style franchise to go with it. I don't completely hate the club. I do have a little smile any time I see their results, whether they win or lose. It's just a reminder that my old hometown's little abomination still exists.
As someone who grew up with them in the league, I assure you we don't care. Wimbledon still has a team. There's better teams to hate than the people who saved a club that was going to be non existent anyways. It's funny how the people only care about something when it's gone. They didn't care when they had it.
@@bhvillaman4401 I'm a Spurs fan, with zero interest in Wimbledon FC, and I despise MK "Dons" more than fucking Arsenal. They stole another team. Basically killed it so they could jump into the league, leapfrogging hundreds of other clubs. MK City could have worked their way into the league with investment - even village teams like Forest Green and Rushden managed it. But Winkleman fucked them over too. They were that town's real team ffs. And if Wimbledon could never have survived as a league team... then how come they're doing that very thing right now?
As a Luton fan I remember my club being tempted in moving up to MK. Our fans started protest and posting pamphlets through doors in MK . With, we don't won't Luton hooligans in our city. It work. 😊
as someone who lives in MK i can back up the fact that most people in MK hate the mk dons or the the donkeys as they are usually called by people i know
MK Dons were formed because of a name change from Wimbledon FC to MK Dons, and two years prior had moved to Milton Keynes from South London, and now they have a fierce rivalry with AFC Wimbledon, who were formed to protest the move to Milton Keynes, people were so glad that the Dons (from Milton Keynes) went down in their second, twelfth, fourteenth and nineteenth seasons, also they don't really fill their stadium that much. Meanwhile AFC Wimbledon fill up their new Plough Lane every home game.
They don’t get anywhere near filling it, went to it this season as I support a league 2 club and it’s so weird to see, looks like they’re social distancing 🤣
@imdogemate11 in the 2015-16 season, they lost 4-1 to Brentford, which guaranteed their relegation. I didn't say I went to the last relegation party pal.
Great points you are making. I personally as a German became a SC Freiburg after their relegation to the 2nd tier because I love the club culture, even though I live far away! ❤
I went to Freiburg on a school trip once and since then they've become my favourite Bundesliga team :) and funnily enough after I started "supporting" them they've risen up the league and into the European places!
My favourite dons moment was sitting in the 'home' end at the hockey stadium, with my entire family, to witness Sunderland (their team) relegate them. Good Times.
@@pedrozapata7008I think that was done so Palestine and Israel would never face each other, which is probably a good thing, as the downfall of Yugoslavia started at a football match.
My local club actually shares the story so I feel for them even more. I'm from a small town in Poland called Opoczno our Ceramika had their glory days in 90s, got close to promotion to 1st tier, played in cup quarters, then they got moved to Ostrowiec and KSZO came of it while we had to rebuild with a new team.
Could you do a video on wtf is going on at Blackburn? My uncle has been a lifelong supporter and all he does is cry about how he HATES the owners & wishes he could go back to the 90’s🤕……
I think it's incredibly smart from a business point of view. They saved a dying club that was going to be non existent anyways and make their own team rather than starting from scratch. You can't complain because you should've looked after the club in the first place. Funny how people only care about something when it's gone.
Would love for you to do a tier list of most respected clubs/fanbases etc. OR a video of clubs that deserve better teams. Basing it on history, fanbases etc.
I live in Mk and the only people in this city that support them are people who were born after 2004 and that’s only if their family don’t have a allegiance with another club. I personally feel indifferent about them (I’m a Luton fan) as I do think having a nice stadium in the city for other event like music and England games is a positive thing for the community, its just a shame that it was always be tarnished by the history.
One thing you missed Vizeh, Americans absolutely hate teams relocating. My city’s NFL team (Cleveland Browns) got relocated and it’s still a sore subject in the city. Great content as always though’
I'm playing manager mode with AFC Wimbledon in FIFA 23 (I haven't bought FC24 because it's utter crap!). We're currently in League 1, along with MK Dorks. Both times we've met MKD, we've thrashed them - 6:0 away and 7:0 at home. My AFCW side are unbeaten, 18 pts clear at the top with about 10 matches to go. MK Dorks are 2nd last :) MK Dongs are to English football what Manly Sea Eagles are to the Aussie National Rugby League - the rich bastards who everyone else hates & death-rides. Long may it continue...
I always use MK Dons as an example against private club ownership. Here in Argentina, football clubs are owned by fans and not companies, as football club "companies" are illegal, and whenever private ownership arguments come up I use this as an example of why it's a bad idea to switch without regulation. The german model is a great example of how private ownership of a club could work, as long as you have an anti-Red Bull rule lmao.
Old people like my Grandad existed before me, so due to the concept of time, I couldn't go to a game until about 50 years after his first game. My Grandad was going to game in the 50s
I remember when you put them into "Tinpot" because of how they took football away from Wimbledon, but found it hard as you know someone who supports them, especially since it's not their fault how the team came to existence, they're supporting their local team. I bet that was hard, but yep, I find it hard to ignore how Franchise FC came about, everytime their name gets passed about, I'm like "Oh yes, that lot who stole football off Wimbledon and alienated their fanbase!".
Im just hoping for the entirely possible scenario this year where MK Dons plays Wimbledon in the League 2 playoff finals. That would be spicy to say the least.
Happy We Have Actual Real Reformed AFC Wimbledon Who Currently Plays in EFL League Two Because They Went Founded in May 2002 Following Fans Did Not Like Original AFC Wimbledon Relocation. They Finally Moving to Plough Lane 18 Years Later (Original Wimbledon Used To Play Before).
Met a dons fans out on a night out in Cardiff, one of the most down to earth supporter I’ve ever met and backs his side loyally, but yeah their history and formation is always going to be looked down upon
That's always felt unfair to me - the club were dying. No one cared enough to get Merton Council to allow them to move back home. The owners decided to move rather than lose everything. Blame the council, and probably blame the fans too for barely making the small trip to Selhurst Park, not the club.
@@neilbiggs1353 I'm american so I see this in all our sports but your comment is similar to the truth in america. I've never seen a richly supported team ever move. It's always the failed teams with no fans showing up that move. Yet when the announcement is made suddenly the local citizens go up in arms and the rest of the country rallies behind them and says how evil it is to let the team leave. It's like damn where was all of that passion for the last decades lol.... Nobody wants to admit it but that's the truth.
@@Livvvid I only followed the NFL, but I was surprised to see Oakland Raiders go to Las Vegas as they had a pretty rabid fanbase. I also remember the talk about moving the Vikings to LA, even though they had a lot of local support. The latter may have been just trying to leverage the state in to funding a new stadium, and honestly that is something I find as troubling as teams moving, that they effectively leverage the local authorities for something for the franchise which they can still leave as a white elephant in a few years time
@@Livvvid What a load of shit. Teams represent their community. They don't just move and abandon their fans. This may have been normalised in America but not here. It's fucking abominable. And are you claiming there was no passion for Ice Hockey in Quebec?
I feel for the new MK Dons fans as they had no part in what happened to the old Wimbledon but man...i don't even recognise them as a real club. I'm so pleased with what AFC Wimbledon have achieved so far.
This is what happened to the Cleveland Browns in America Football. They got their team taken because the ownership were offered a new stadium and more money in Baltimore, so they were moved and renamed to the Ravens who took the history for 5 years till we got the Browns back in 1999.
Milton Keynes FC (I refuse to call them Dons), are also known as the Bletchley Stealers, due to the stadium location, which is in an adjacent town, that the City of MK now encroaches upon. The average home attendances you mention, are only as high as they are because of higher than usual away followings from visiting teams. The club have not earned the respect of fans from other teams. In contrast, Wimbledon (the real Dons), have earned total respect, for pre and post (Winkleman) achievements. To have reformed and climbed to their current league status, virtually from park football, is remarkable. MK should have done the same and even with the massive advantage of the council built stadium, they would have been accepted; no issue. Eternal good luck to the (real) Dons, from an MK resident.
Mate we had 6000+ at our last home game, Accrington Stanley brought about 0 fans with them It's very easy to critique from the outside looking in. Fact is MK is a well run club, the orgins of the club are questionable, the community of MK get behind the club. That's what football's about at the end of the day
Your location for where the NJ Nets played is about an hour, probably more, away from where they REALLY were. They actually played right across the road from MetLife Stadium, where the World Cup Finals will be. The actual straight-line distance between the two sites is just over 10 miles or around 17 km
As a german, the only thing i knew about MK Dons is that Dele Alli played for them… nice Video i am know an official MK Dons hater… keep up with this Great stuff mate
Liam i know this is kinda late and you'll probably not going to see this, but i would LOVE to see a video on Eric Cantona. He truly was a man in his own world
Just a heads up the grizzlies failed in Vancouver because the organization made poor draft picks, city of Vancouver didn’t show up to games and the canadian dollar was just weak overall. In a draft, Steve Francis got picked by them and he fully declined, resulting in him getting waived(hella disrespectful tbh). When Toronto and Vancouver entered the league they were both bad, but we’re a bigger city with much more money floating around and a population of basketball fans
Franchises don't work in other English sports either. Wasps RFC were the professional arm of one of the oldest Rugby clubs in the world, Wasps FC, (predating the RFU and FA) and based in NW London. However, after a few seasons under the same ownership as QPR and based at Loftus Road, they were sold on and ended up in an awful groundshare agreement with Wycombe Wanderers. Not London, but at least in the commuter belt. Literally months away from going bust, they took advantage of Coventry City's owners SISU being silly buggers with the Ricoh Arena's owners and managed to buy the ground under City's noses. Problem is, they purchased it through supporters buying bonds. The arena never made as much money as they expected, and then the bonds were due to be repaid right in the middle of the pandemic. They couldn't get a bank loan to cover the bonds and went bust. The ground was sold to Mike Ashley, Coventry became the main tenants again, and now Wasps are trying to establish themselves in Sevenoaks for the 24/25 season with no announced players, coaching staff, known funding or even complete planning permission for a new stadium. And they want to be in the 2nd tier. It's an absolute farce and it's only because of their past success and shareholders that it's even being considered.
Nonsense like this has been why I’ve had an intense aversion to Austin FC here in the states since they were founded. Have hated them their entire existence and always will because the *city* was actively pining for my side.
i live in texas and i support almost every team from this state. but Austin FC is the one team i only wish failure because of that shit with their owner trying to screw over Columbus. i KNEW i was gonna hate austin when the people who were pushing for Austin to be in MLS had snobby disdain for Columbus Crew going away by saying "they can just support another team in their state". so every time Austin plays against dallas or houston, i pray to all the gods for Austin to take big L's
@@NegaRenGenX2gay2lift You dropped your crown king. The way they talked about us, the way they dismissed us, the way they attacked their own city councilors for even questioning the move was pathetic beyond measure.
I wouldn’t say I am a Dons fan but I’ve been to games growing up , living just outside of mk it was the closest “big” club around and my dad could get the ticket cheap so it was a good bit of fun for what it was , I will always have good memories of the time spent watching them play. As United fan I still struggle to understand how that 4-0 even happened it was a travesty 🤣
Oi Vizeh. I've been really enjoying your content since two, three years ago. I really want to thank you for making these videos about football as a sport generally. As a person living in South Korea and probably one of your few Asian audiences, you've really helped me keep up with the footballing culture in England. But I have to ask for you to make a video essay on Jurgen Klinsman. He was sacked by the South Korean FA a mere 3 days ago, and he was only 11 months into his South Korean manager tenure. His incompetence caused the South Korean national team, possibly the strongest in all of Asia, to get knocked out of the AFC Asian cup in embarassing fashion in the quarter finals. It may be a good result for south Korea, but Klinsman was completely neglective of the national team, and only relied on the star players to get results without giving any tactical advice. Not to mention he spent HALF OF HIS TENURE OF KOREAN NATIONAL TEAM MANAGER IN THE US OF A. IS HE TAKING A GOD DAMN PISS. The South Korean FA sacked him a few days ago, but thanks to him the national team's ego and the player's overall morale has taken a huge hit. The South Korean football fans are absolutely enraged about the FA's decision in the first place to promote Klinsmann as their head coach. He was inconsistent in Bayern Munich and Schalke. I know that it may be a big leap for you to focus on issues outside of European football, but I can't and don't want this issue to be contained just inside Korea. I want the issue to be spread world wide. So it would be great if you could do a video essay about Jurgen's horrendous south korean tenure. Thanks a lot for the great content you make man. keep it up.
"real dons"? get ur facts right even wikipedia says you are a pheonix. a club claiming theyre the real wimbledon, yet they were created by fans, that were too lazy to go mk to watch games, there are wimbledon fc fans that have moved from wimbledon to milton keynes to support their club, and still do to this day. we are the better team as we thrive in league two next season and u will rot in league to for another 10 years- unless u get relegated. enjoy the 3-1 loss ❤
The part that annoys me the most is the fact that they stole the nickname "the Dons" from Wimbledon. They might be hated a tiny bit less if they were known as the Roundabouts. Or the Concrete Cows. 🤷♂ But if you want to support a club in the MK area with a little bit more soul, there's Newport Pagnell Town in tier 9.
In St. Pete, Florida, Tropicana Field (The Trop) was built in the late 80s to lure a baseball team over to the Tampa Bay area. This did not happen for nearly a decade, until MLB expanded, adding a team called the Tampa Bay Devil Rays (now just the Rays) in 1998. So some parallels to MK Dons (stadium built before team existed) except nowhere near as bad
Wasn`t another reason the ground was built because the FA thought that England were nailed on to host the 2006 World Cup , because of David Beckham , and needed decent grounds
Also thank you for reminding us why the Memphis Grizzlies remain in the NBA's Western Conference even though they are closer to New York than Los Angeles.
By fanbase from a perspective in the 90's and 00's maybe, however at least as a club they respect their history and culture. MK Dons don't even have that
Going to a Dons game is worth it if you live in MK and you want to watch some cheap league 2 football because there’s always tickets, used to go when I was at school when Dele was still there, good days out if you’re a neutral tbh
MK Dons are hated, but I have to admit......I do quite like managing them on Football Manager! Their kits are quite cool (all white home, usually all red/all black away kits), they have a 'cool' sponsor in Suzuki ('cool' because it reminds me of the old Suzuki Escudo Pikes Peak car from Gran Turismo 2....and, at least it ain't a gambling company!), and they have a _massive_ stadium that is basically purpose built to be a Premier League ready stadium.......but it's still actually quite a challenge to get them into the Premier League, but if you can, their fanbase does eventually grow enough to fill the stadium! I kinda hate myself for making them good though, so it's not a team I choose to manage on FM all that often lol
Afc wimbledon is the real story. Winkleman couldve invested in MK City and eventually built the stadium with similar attendances to what they have now. To anyone who says thats not possible, look what wimbledon did. Without big money, Wimbledon came from the combined counties to the EFL in less than 10 years and now have built a stadium on the same road as the old wimbledon FC stadium. Fairytale.
I’ve got a strange relationship with this “entity” 1. In the 90s was at med school in Tooting- lived on Garrett Lane about a mile away from a derelict Plough Lane 2. Ended up living and still working in Luton. Recall some issues about 20 yrs ago re Kohlerdome and ideas to move to MK- which were derided 3. But by then Winkleman moved WFC to MK- and the rebranding. Now I live 12km south of Stadium MK- even been to a friendly when they opened the stadium and a Spurs XI beat them 5-3. And it’s got a lovely hotel. Great cinema. Nice restaurants. And that’s it. It’s fucking despicable to move a team and disregard a fan base. And it’s wonderful AFC Wimbledon have come home to the old Greyhound Stadium at Plough Lane.
It is crazy, they would have been better off just starting a club off from scratch. Milton Keynes is one of England's newest towns, so it would have worked I think
Great video once again Vizeh. I'm an English football fan in Vancouver and would never have thought I would watch a football video and here the word Vancouver in it. 😂
As a lifelong MK resident, I can confirm that Dons' fan base is even smaller than their attendances suggest. About 80% of the people I know who attend games at stadium MK actually support Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea etc.
For a while when they were just starting over me and a few friends would go watch and spend out money at Wimbledon whenever our team played MK Dons away.
Missed opportunity to mention Arsenal who moved from Woolwich in south east London to North London and the area they moved to became known as Arsenal so to say MK were first is missing a big moment in the earlier days of football.
As an American, I agree that franchising is absolutely stupid. And it’s why I 100% prefer the college versions of our countries sports over the professional teams. They’re attached to the flagship universities in the state so they literally can’t move.
As a proud Alabama Crimson Tide fan, I never thought that I would ever agree with a Tennessee Vol fan about anything, but your post was spot on. College Football is so much better than the NFL and the fans are much more loyal and passionate.
I hate that the awesome place in Leipzig is sold to Red Bull. This place is basically on of the most historic places of german football, once the biggest stadium in Germany and now plastic everywhere.
I genuinely love how apologetic Vizeh is to MK Dons fans because there's no real way to properly explain their history as a football club without pissing off a few MK Don fans. Great video as usual mate. I'm curious if the attendance issue would be the same if they were in the Prem tho. 🤔
When I think Milton Keynes, the first thing that comes to mind isn't a football club, it's the fact that I thought it was the name of a Chocolate brand and probably one of the biggest Greenday gigs they've ever played. At best I've played MK on career mode if that counts as fandom 😂😂😂😂 and the reason i did was because i saw a Vid of that 2005 Greenday show
Another big thing to understand about franchises and leagues in NA is that you can buy your way into the top professional leagues if you have the money. Wanna start a team? Are you rich? Do you know a city that wants a sports team? Congratulations, you own a TOP TIER professional sports team. As a north american, this works in our leagues and systems. MK Dons is a perfect example as to why that model will always fail in other systems.
@@_peepyopee no, idiot, I’m not. Chelsea and Man City are still able to be relegated from the top league in theory. NA teams can tank an entire season and stay at the top level.
Rare now a days for an owner to actually care about the club and build it properly.Blackburns owner in the 90’s(I forgot his name don’t hate me) was a prime example of a great owner.Vizeh don’t hate me because i mentioned blackburn
To all MK Dons fans - your club is utterly sickening. Milton Keynes was made to reject Londoners to a new town. You'll never understand what it means to be from South London, a cultural hotbed, the best rollercoaster on Earth. So much great music and theatres and stadiums yet so many estates, so much deprivation, so many stabbings every single week. These estates bring cage football - AFC Wimbledon are the best example of triumphing over adversity. For a team that originally got rapid promotions in the late 70s to a club moved 72 kilometres away, with the colours, badge, name and location all drastically changed, from the 9th tier the fans set up a new club and got 5 promotions in 9 years. Through offering contracts to young pro footballers, we've saved so many kids from disgusting knife violence that you could NEVER understand. We still have no money as a club. We give players £15 vouchers for local cafes to get lunch as we can't even afford to have a canteen in our training ground. Our fans clubbed together to raise £33 million, £9 million of that in a loan - the largest football bond ever issued in sporting history - in which thousands of our fans put in thousands of pounds each at tiny interest rates knowing they wouldn't see the money again for the 20-year length of the loan. All this, in a cost of living crisis, to rebuild our club. A lot of Wimbledon fans DIED before ever seeing their team come back to Plough Lane solely because of your club's existance alone. I work in media and rest assured I will be speaking to my colleagues at ITV to arrange a docudrama on how repulsive MK Dons are and how AFC Wimbledon rose up the leagues from the brink of despair. After the Hillsbrough disaster and the Post Office scandal, I genuinely believe that Pete Winkelman stealing WFC was the third biggest miscarriage of justice in Britain's entire legal history. Rest assured that by the time we get this documentary out, there will be national utter outrage and the whole country will see what your club stole. It's only thanks to a massive effort that had a tiny chance of happening that AFC Wimbledon are back in the EFL and back at Plough Lane. Lives SHATTERED for three decades, homeless. You could NEVER understand what it means in South London, how culturally significant football is in the wellbeing of London citizens and the prevention of knife crime. The Hillsbrough disaster and Post Office scandal are so, so similar to AFC Wimbledon. All those board neetings, fighting tooth and nail for decades for justice. Ivor Heller, who set up AFC Wimbledon, is exactly like Anne Williams, or Alan Bates. Ivor Heller is literally like Matthew in the Bible. He facilitated a ressurection, from the absolute unthinkable brink of despair - WFC, a piece of Britain's cultural heritage, DEAD because of your club. You forced our academy players back onto the South London estates, back into knife crime. You will never understand. You stole a 113-year-old club, an institutiom bringing hope to South London since 1889. AFC, we were told by Parliament that our very existance was "not in the wider interests of football". We went back into Parliament with the organisatiom FairGame - it is thanks to AFC Wimbledon fans that the white paper on ownership is being put through. Thanks to these fans, who ironically had their own club shattered to utter smithereens, no club in the UK will ever again change badge, location, colours or name without majority approval of club fans. In summer 2002, Chelsea had just won the Premier League and AFC Wimbledon had just been set up in the 9th tier. The Dons, even in the 9th tier, had a larger regional charity operation than the reigning Prem champions! AFC Wimbledon have already had preseason tours abroad. Support from the brink of death, from despair, from not existing. We amassed record season ticket sales straight after our first relegation. Over 4,000 fans every other Saturday in the 9th tier and it's more than double that now we're 5 divisions higher and back at home. Thanks to US. And nobody else at all.
bro is really mad it seems like- we are better than afc wimbledon, who have never sold our their scummy stadium, yet we got 30k at a league game against bolton. afc kingston will enjoy next season in league two👍
Wimbledon has already moved to selhurst park, how do you feel about that one? There is actually a generation of Wimbledon fans who started supporting wimbledon when they already had relocated.
would love a video on the rise of afc wimbledon!! mk dons are such a joke. i can't believe they were allowed to just stay in league one, rather than start from the beginning as a total new club...
I don't agree, if the club had been able to go in to administration naturally in 2002 we were there, ready and willing to pick up the pieces. We'd have a mess on our hands, but we wouldn't have been starting from nothing, and we wouldn't have to coexist with them! Mk fans would also be having a better time of it, because if the money and energy that went into stealing Wimbledon had been directed at mk city FC, they'd be in a surprise stadium and thoroughly respected
@@_peepyopee I was there, I'm not saying it would have been pretty, but given that we built AFC Wimbledon from nothing in less than 3 months, it's nonsense to say we couldn't have fielded a team. I'm also not saying we wouldn't have likely had back to back relegations, but even if we were relegated for 6 consecutive years, that would have been better than having mk exist
MK Dons are just a rebranded American style franchise club. Stadium MK located in an area of Bletchley rather than Milton Keynes itself is ironic. The idea failed by the lack of growth of there fanbase. Stadium itself is rather nice. If they'd of started at the bottom of the league pyramid they'd not get much hate. The English league pyramid is phenomenal and with the right idea and dedication clubs can do so much. Be very interesting see if Bury or Macclesfield can get back to the EFL one day too. Shame someone for MK didn't do it the pure way without changing the history of another club. This video is fantastic about the rise of AFC Wimbledon ruclips.net/video/fUeYLzwkhNQ/видео.htmlsi=Rz-RLyOe-xfMKosD West Ham, Leeds and Millwall probably most hated clubs outside current premier league.
That video is linked is fantastic by the way, not sure MK Dons would ever really be respected unless if they changed their name and rebranded again perhaps
@@Vizeh As generations change the hate may die down. If and when the current MK ownership changes could dictate there fate. Like many clubs struggle to grow fan bases thanks to TV and the premier league. As a Wigan fan I totally understand it with our own struggles. Growing there own base from local area is crucial to there existence. There story shows why the generally American franchise idea won't ever work in UK or even tried again.
@@maxmichaels5593 Blackburn, Leicester & Liverpool makes three, but I'm not sure what your point is mate. Were you replying to something which was deleted?
Was at the Bradford city 4-0 game yesterday against them it was so satisfying especially as we took there manager. Ref was shocking though even though we won
People in North America seemingly don't care as much about teams relocating. The Los Angeles Lakers are one of the most famous and popular pro sports teams, and they started out in Minnesota. They're only called the Lakers because Minnesota has so many lakes (unlike Southern California)
American fans often don't like the team moves either, so from across the pond I still understand As for MK Dons eventually renouncing Wimbledon FC's history - it's like when the NFL's Cleveland Browns moved to Baltimore and became the Ravens. The Ravens are considered to be a new team, and a few years later, a new team took over the Browns history. And the Ravens were a replacement for the Baltimore Colts moving to Indianapolis; while the Indianapolis team kept the Colts history, most Baltimore American football fans associate with the Ravens instead - so to old Colts fans, the Ravens are like the Wimbledon phoenix club.
my favourite MK Dons moment is when they got relegated last season and the fans had an argument with pete winkelman in the car park 😭😭😭
that after they gloriously bottled the playoffs to get promoted to the championship the year before after going on an insane winning streak before it 😂😂😂
what all 12 of them?
Never even knew that
What all 2 of them.
As a Cambridge United fan, I thank MK Dons for their efforts last season.
As an AFC Wimbledon fan it is brilliant to look how we are now a fan owned club in a new stadium back at Plough Lane after nearly 30 years away and we have bigger average attendances than franchise and have been able to gain the support of our local community in South West London in a way they never will in Buckinghamshire. COYD💙💛
Mate, you think you have better fans even though we took more to wrexham, barrow and many more. We beat you 3-1, you've never sold out your little stadium yet we have. Enjoy league 2 next season❤
First of all we do have better fans than you, just ask any opposition fan for their opinion or simply look at the stats as they don't lie. We have a higher average away following than you this season (579 for us and 417 for you lot) and you didn't take more to Wrexham, we took 1119, you took 1115. Also we have sold out our "little" stadium 3 times this season already and have had 10 home games with 8000+ attendances this season as well. In fact our lowest league attendance this season (6996 vs Forest Green) is higher than your season average attendance (6226) says a lot really. Besides, is it better to have a small stadium now that you can actually fill and can expand later and is in the middle of the community or have a virtually empty and soulless stadium in the middle of an out of town retail park like you have? You may have won earlier in the season but there is another game on 2nd March I will remind you where your players get the rarity of playing in front of a decent crowd, unlike when they play at home. To conclude, I know you're obviously a wind up merchant like the rest of your fan base but just thought since you've gone to all that effort to type out that absolute rubbish it's only appropriate I correct your nonsense. See you in League 2 next season.
@@hopefulline7196 we've got more fans, end of story.
yep merton may do the right thing now.and not turn their backs on you like they did to the mk dons
@@dellmack9008 read the comments below, you're even hated in your own plastic town
MK Dons are England’s version of Las Vegas A’s if it actually happens
What’s happened in Oakland and Wimbledon are so similar, just replace a soulless stay at Selhurst with an increasing aging Coliseum, and temporary stays in SLC or Summerlin. Charles Koppel is the John Fisher of the story.
I need to look into that actually
That is...actually a good comparison
I’d also recommend looking up when the Rams moved from St. Louis to LA. Americans don’t like relocation either, we just don’t have any way to stop it.
@@Vizeh John Fisher is owner of the Oakland Athletics which is right on San Francisco bay in Northern California. He is a nepo baby as his parents founded The Gap clothing stores. He took over majority in 2016 and has been asset stripping them trying to get them a new stadium in Las Vegas. The lease is up and they don't know where the Athletics are going to play for 2025 and the funding for Las Vegas has some hurdles. Not all relocations are bad but this one in particular is because they have been there since the late 60s. One side of the bay is Giants and the other side is Athletics. Fischer also owns a stake in San Jose MLS and Celtic FC.
It’s not the Las Vegas A’s. There’s enough shit involved with the city of Oakland that few people outside of Oakland are going to care about the team moving.
They’re the Los Angeles Chargers, right down to the moving just two hours north.
Germany lad here, thx for clearing up. I always tought MK Dons is a seperatist football Club from Donbass.
Absolutely not haha
You could say it was kind of separatist
Max, Shakhtar Donetsk are still infinitely better that MK Dons.
Shakhtar Donetsk are meteorically better than MK Dons.
bahahahahaha
They're not my most hated English football club (which I shall not mention here) but I definitely have a certain aversion towards them. I wasn't even a Wimbledon fan but I was an Austria Salzubrg fan (now Red Bull) so I can understand why MK Dons are so disliked.
Yeah many Red Bull teams aren’t liked, especially Liepzig in German football culture
@@Vizeh America is probably the only place where our Red Bull team (New York red Bulls) isn't nearly as hated as much, because thanks to MLS league rules it's impossible for them to buy their way to victory like they did everywhere else.
why can't you mention ?
@@Pingthescribenot even that just American sports culture is so different to everywhere else anyways
@@JD-ju1is yes and no. Soccer culture is definitely more European and anyone who attended a soccer match in Europe would find things familiar to them. Contrast this with the NFL, who tried to introduce scarves to fans and they didn't know what the hell they were supposed to do lol.
F*ck and I can't stress this enough, MK Dons
I don’t think he likes MK Dons
@@Vizeh not too sure though just a gut feeling
@@Vizeh no shit sherlock
i live next to mk dons stadium lol
@@AlvarezLover2099 At least its quiet on match days
I grew up in Milton Keynes around the time the team moved. Even at age 10 I thought why not just bankroll an amateur team to the top leagues. There was a Milton Keynes FC that as the video says was in the 8th tier. Despite the plans for the stadium predating the club, the stadium wasn't finished by the time the team moved, so they had to play in the national hockey stadium for the first three years. With successive promotions through non-league, we could've had a mighty 5th tier team to debut in that new stadium by then, just one league below where MK Dons were in 2007. The problem was that Winkelman and the investors were not football people. They were property developers. They didn't understand that moving a team would never galvanise popular support. They just saw a team that was going for cheap and a crafty businessman spied an opportunity. Having a stadium hosting a recent premier league team on their plot was attractive for Ikea and Asda. They crunched the numbers and found the increased foot-traffic from a stadium would result in 27.4% more sales, and so they went for it. That was good to get a multi-million pound deal over the line over the span of 5-8 years, but 20 years later and MK Dons is still a joke. If you ask someone in Milton Keynes "where's the stadium", they will tell you "next to Ikea". That sums up the sad reality of the club well.
Part of why a football team in Milton Keynes was never able to work is because everyone in MK is from somewhere else. I wasn't born in MK, we moved there because of my dad's work. The people that were born there's parents aren't from there. It's because there was no Milton Keynes before the 70s/80s. It was a village. People's loyalties are to their hometown or their dad's hometown club. The club was always fighting a losing battle for support from the town. The shameful nature of the club's founding only compounds the issue.
Milton Keynes was selected to become a city because of population overspill from London and Birmingham, as such its location was selected for being equidistant between both cities, with very good transport between both. I can spend 15 minutes driving to Ikea to watch MK Dons or just an hour to get to Villa Park or the Emirates Stadium. 45 minutes difference between Premier League atmosphere hosting top teams or sitting in a 60% empty stadium where 50% of the fans are the away fans calling you wankers as the 300 Dons ultras break into occasional chants of "no one likes us no one likes us we don't care, etc.".
It's very fitting that Milton Keynes is home to The Franchise, because it's a little piece of America in England. The plan for the city was based on the cities of Houston and Dallas (I recall this from a school trip we made to a museum, but I can find no record of this online (yes, Milton Keynes has a museum)); a central hub of economic activity with an enormous shopping centre with rings upon rings of nothing but housing. It's completely unlike any other town in England where settlements organically developed. Milton Keynes was mostly designed in the 80s when the Conservatives were in power and loved everything about America. 20 years later, we had a Las Vegas-style franchise to go with it.
I don't completely hate the club. I do have a little smile any time I see their results, whether they win or lose. It's just a reminder that my old hometown's little abomination still exists.
As someone who grew up with them in the league, I assure you we don't care. Wimbledon still has a team. There's better teams to hate than the people who saved a club that was going to be non existent anyways. It's funny how the people only care about something when it's gone. They didn't care when they had it.
I like how you mentioned the city's history, something that should have been done in this video.
@@bhvillaman4401 I'm a Spurs fan, with zero interest in Wimbledon FC, and I despise MK "Dons" more than fucking Arsenal. They stole another team. Basically killed it so they could jump into the league, leapfrogging hundreds of other clubs. MK City could have worked their way into the league with investment - even village teams like Forest Green and Rushden managed it. But Winkleman fucked them over too. They were that town's real team ffs.
And if Wimbledon could never have survived as a league team... then how come they're doing that very thing right now?
As a Luton fan I remember my club being tempted in moving up to MK. Our fans started protest and posting pamphlets through doors in MK . With, we don't won't Luton hooligans in our city. It work. 😊
as someone who lives in MK i can back up the fact that most people in MK hate the mk dons or the the donkeys as they are usually called by people i know
Who do they support instead? Usual glory hunters?
@@Mzuka-Moto Some might follow the Big Six in the PL, some might follow a nearby established club such as Luton (this was before their recent rise)
Is that really the case?
This is utter bollocks I've never heard anyone call them that
You’re chatting shite mate
MK Dons were formed because of a name change from Wimbledon FC to MK Dons, and two years prior had moved to Milton Keynes from South London, and now they have a fierce rivalry with AFC Wimbledon, who were formed to protest the move to Milton Keynes, people were so glad that the Dons (from Milton Keynes) went down in their second, twelfth, fourteenth and nineteenth seasons, also they don't really fill their stadium that much. Meanwhile AFC Wimbledon fill up their new Plough Lane every home game.
They don’t get anywhere near filling it, went to it this season as I support a league 2 club and it’s so weird to see, looks like they’re social distancing 🤣
@@MpanzuSolosOver 80% capacity for League 2 level, not too shabby.
Mk dons is still a class name for a football team though, you can't even deny that
@@westcoast747 I meant mk dons
@@bhvillaman4401 It is
I once went to a MK dons game just to see them get relegated, of course they lost and it happened, such a glorious moment.
what do you mean .the last game when they got relegated was 0-0
@imdogemate11 in the 2015-16 season, they lost 4-1 to Brentford, which guaranteed their relegation. I didn't say I went to the last relegation party pal.
@@yungnmc but you said 2022
@imdogemate11 ahh you also said you're illiterate, my bad.
@@Krystax11 No he didn't.
Great points you are making.
I personally as a German became a SC Freiburg after their relegation to the 2nd tier because I love the club culture, even though I live far away! ❤
I think I saw a great video on Freiburg from Copa90, fantastic stuff
I went to Freiburg on a school trip once and since then they've become my favourite Bundesliga team :) and funnily enough after I started "supporting" them they've risen up the league and into the European places!
❤️❤️❤️
@@VizehYes the Copa90 Documentary sums up the club very good
My favourite dons moment was sitting in the 'home' end at the hockey stadium, with my entire family, to witness Sunderland (their team) relegate them. Good Times.
Putting Wimbledon in Milton Keynes is like putting Australia in Eurovision. It doesn’t make sense, but it happened
or israel in UEFA.
@@pedrozapata7008 Israel is in UEFA for Security reasons, they can't play in Arab and Muslim nations.
@@pedrozapata7008well someone had to accept them lol that makes more sense
@@amigos2841 did someone really HAVE to? Do we really need to accept European colonial projects in the 21st century still? I'd tend to disagree
@@pedrozapata7008I think that was done so Palestine and Israel would never face each other, which is probably a good thing, as the downfall of Yugoslavia started at a football match.
My local club actually shares the story so I feel for them even more.
I'm from a small town in Poland called Opoczno our Ceramika had their glory days in 90s, got close to promotion to 1st tier, played in cup quarters, then they got moved to Ostrowiec and KSZO came of it while we had to rebuild with a new team.
They’re not the Dons, they might receive more respect if they dropped the dons and became Milton Keynes only.
And if they proved their mettle from the bottom of the pyramid
Could you do a video on wtf is going on at Blackburn? My uncle has been a lifelong supporter and all he does is cry about how he HATES the owners & wishes he could go back to the 90’s🤕……
As a Burnley fan I don’t know if I’d love or hate making this video
@@Vizeh Didn’t know there was a rivalry between you guys?
@@StewbertoHUGE 😂😂
@@Eso20213really? Feel like a nonce not knowing there was a rivalry between the clubs🙈 ah well live and learn ey🙂
@@Vizeh YOU’RE A BURNLEY FAN, WHAT THE ACTUAL HELL?!!!
From MK, even I consider dons an insult, we deserve better.
Judas !
Me too and I agree
Couldn’t have said it better, makes the city look even worse
I think it's incredibly smart from a business point of view. They saved a dying club that was going to be non existent anyways and make their own team rather than starting from scratch. You can't complain because you should've looked after the club in the first place. Funny how people only care about something when it's gone.
You've got an ice hockey team called
Milton Keynes Lightning, go & support them.
Would love for you to do a tier list of most respected clubs/fanbases etc. OR a video of clubs that deserve better teams. Basing it on history, fanbases etc.
I can do this on a recent live stream I think!
As an MK dons fan, wait... IM NOT AN MK DOMS FAN!!! WHAT THE FU
I swear most comments in a video about a football club go like this
“As a totally MK Dons fan from Zimbabwe I eat washing machines for lunch”
@@BoothToHighwell no that can’t happen because the rectangle ate my car while holding a purple tiger shark
@@BoothToHigh Given Zimbabweans had to resort to eating all sorts of random shite at the height of Mugabe's reign...
I live in Mk and the only people in this city that support them are people who were born after 2004 and that’s only if their family don’t have a allegiance with another club. I personally feel indifferent about them (I’m a Luton fan) as I do think having a nice stadium in the city for other event like music and England games is a positive thing for the community, its just a shame that it was always be tarnished by the history.
MK City could have been an established and respected league team in that very stadium by now.
@@spyrytaraxalass I totally agree, but I can’t see that happening now
One thing you missed Vizeh, Americans absolutely hate teams relocating. My city’s NFL team (Cleveland Browns) got relocated and it’s still a sore subject in the city. Great content as always though’
It’d be like if Sheffield Wednesday became Brighton Wednesday; it just makes no sense
TBF, Brighton already has a club (who are doing better than Wednesday ATM). Milton Keynes did not.
I would love nothing more than to see MK Dons drop out the football league, and eventually go pop.
What makes everyone happy about MK Dons?
1) They are relegated.
2) Any team beating them in a match regardless it is in Football Manager or real life.
I'm playing manager mode with AFC Wimbledon in FIFA 23 (I haven't bought FC24 because it's utter crap!). We're currently in League 1, along with MK Dorks.
Both times we've met MKD, we've thrashed them - 6:0 away and 7:0 at home.
My AFCW side are unbeaten, 18 pts clear at the top with about 10 matches to go. MK Dorks are 2nd last :)
MK Dongs are to English football what Manly Sea Eagles are to the Aussie National Rugby League - the rich bastards who everyone else hates & death-rides. Long may it continue...
Meanwhile man utd lose to MK dons in 2014 🤣🤣🤣
You know its quite tuff being a mk dons fan😢
It's really not 😂 Just don't be a franchise fc fan @@AtomicSpino
@RK12398 I love this club so I'll stay with it until I die 🖤🤍❤️
I always use MK Dons as an example against private club ownership. Here in Argentina, football clubs are owned by fans and not companies, as football club "companies" are illegal, and whenever private ownership arguments come up I use this as an example of why it's a bad idea to switch without regulation. The german model is a great example of how private ownership of a club could work, as long as you have an anti-Red Bull rule lmao.
Excellent work sir!
3:14 I feel attacked 😂 fortunately my grandad actually was a mcfc fan, and I've got matchday tickets from 06-12 to prove it!
I’m sure you can prove it don’t worry haha
That's what they all say 😂
You have a really young granddad if it’s only from 2006 to 2012
Old people like my Grandad existed before me, so due to the concept of time, I couldn't go to a game until about 50 years after his first game. My Grandad was going to game in the 50s
There's also an American involved in the ownership of AFC Wimbledon... John Green, the author/RUclipsr
Yeah their exposure is really increasing even that dons Tv guy on TikTok is pulling in views for Wimbledon it’s great to see
he's really the main reason why there are a sizable amount of Wimbledon fans from north america.
the 5,900 average attendance is bs, the club massages figures with free tickets to schools and they count st sales which are basically given away
I remember when you put them into "Tinpot" because of how they took football away from Wimbledon, but found it hard as you know someone who supports them, especially since it's not their fault how the team came to existence, they're supporting their local team. I bet that was hard, but yep, I find it hard to ignore how Franchise FC came about, everytime their name gets passed about, I'm like "Oh yes, that lot who stole football off Wimbledon and alienated their fanbase!".
exactly. utf
Im just hoping for the entirely possible scenario this year where MK Dons plays Wimbledon in the League 2 playoff finals. That would be spicy to say the least.
Not really. MK will win
@@_peepyopeeare you a dons fan at any chance
Happy We Have Actual Real Reformed AFC Wimbledon Who Currently Plays in EFL League Two Because They Went Founded in May 2002 Following Fans Did Not Like Original AFC Wimbledon Relocation. They Finally Moving to Plough Lane 18 Years Later (Original Wimbledon Used To Play Before).
The way they rose up the leagues was truly remarkable, don’t think I’ve ever seen a team go to Football League that fast
@@Vizeh Remember When AFC Wimbledon Was Fastest Growing Football Club (10+ Promotions)
YOU NEED TO USE MORE CAPITAL LETTERS MATE
@@MrBallerinakakadunce
Met a dons fans out on a night out in Cardiff, one of the most down to earth supporter I’ve ever met and backs his side loyally, but yeah their history and formation is always going to be looked down upon
That's always felt unfair to me - the club were dying. No one cared enough to get Merton Council to allow them to move back home. The owners decided to move rather than lose everything. Blame the council, and probably blame the fans too for barely making the small trip to Selhurst Park, not the club.
@@neilbiggs1353 I'm american so I see this in all our sports but your comment is similar to the truth in america.
I've never seen a richly supported team ever move. It's always the failed teams with no fans showing up that move.
Yet when the announcement is made suddenly the local citizens go up in arms and the rest of the country rallies behind them and says how evil it is to let the team leave.
It's like damn where was all of that passion for the last decades lol....
Nobody wants to admit it but that's the truth.
@@Livvvid I only followed the NFL, but I was surprised to see Oakland Raiders go to Las Vegas as they had a pretty rabid fanbase. I also remember the talk about moving the Vikings to LA, even though they had a lot of local support. The latter may have been just trying to leverage the state in to funding a new stadium, and honestly that is something I find as troubling as teams moving, that they effectively leverage the local authorities for something for the franchise which they can still leave as a white elephant in a few years time
@@Livvvid What a load of shit. Teams represent their community. They don't just move and abandon their fans. This may have been normalised in America but not here. It's fucking abominable.
And are you claiming there was no passion for Ice Hockey in Quebec?
I feel for the new MK Dons fans as they had no part in what happened to the old Wimbledon but man...i don't even recognise them as a real club. I'm so pleased with what AFC Wimbledon have achieved so far.
As a MK Dons fans, its painful having to deal with hate and hate, but as a real fan i will stay with this club until i die
As a Wimbledon resident, and having supported the club since birth, fuck Franchising. We are the Dons.
we are the better dons
The MK Dons will always be the real Dons.
I’d like to clarify that Wimbledon - MK absolutely isn’t a derby. We’d rather forget their existence.
You may think that, yet you lose every derby 😂
Up the franchise!
@@_peepyopee I’d rather lose every “derby” than be some soulless pointless waste of an EFL place
@thomasjohnson2862 the clubs will forever be linked with one another 😁
@@_peepyopeesuch a potty such good players like Dan kemp jack Payne and joe Tomlinson have gotta play for a plastic elf waste of space
@@elliottspokemon2654 Payne is pony
As a person living in Milton Keynes I’ve been to the Nando’s there more than the stadium
This is what happened to the Cleveland Browns in America Football. They got their team taken because the ownership were offered a new stadium and more money in Baltimore, so they were moved and renamed to the Ravens who took the history for 5 years till we got the Browns back in 1999.
Milton Keynes FC (I refuse to call them Dons), are also known as the Bletchley Stealers, due to the stadium location, which is in an adjacent town, that the City of MK now encroaches upon. The average home attendances you mention, are only as high as they are because of higher than usual away followings from visiting teams. The club have not earned the respect of fans from other teams.
In contrast, Wimbledon (the real Dons), have earned total respect, for pre and post (Winkleman) achievements. To have reformed and climbed to their current league status, virtually from park football, is remarkable. MK should have done the same and even with the massive advantage of the council built stadium, they would have been accepted; no issue.
Eternal good luck to the (real) Dons, from an MK resident.
Mate we had 6000+ at our last home game, Accrington Stanley brought about 0 fans with them
It's very easy to critique from the outside looking in. Fact is MK is a well run club, the orgins of the club are questionable, the community of MK get behind the club. That's what football's about at the end of the day
6000 in a 30000 seater 😂😂@@_peepyopee
Hate the franchise scum- COME ON YOU DONS 💙💛
Thought I’d see you lads about haha
2 times out of non-league!
3-1 mate haha ur so scummy
We ant wimbledon AFC mk dons is the real dons
@@Supermkdonsbut you aren’t the real dons are you tho 😂
Your location for where the NJ Nets played is about an hour, probably more, away from where they REALLY were. They actually played right across the road from MetLife Stadium, where the World Cup Finals will be. The actual straight-line distance between the two sites is just over 10 miles or around 17 km
As a german, the only thing i knew about MK Dons is that Dele Alli played for them… nice Video i am know an official MK Dons hater… keep up with this Great stuff mate
Manchester United fans might be familiar about this club because of what happened in 2014 (they got slapped 0-4 in EFL Cup).
Liam i know this is kinda late and you'll probably not going to see this, but i would LOVE to see a video on Eric Cantona. He truly was a man in his own world
You need to do a separate video on AFC Wimbledon
Agreed
It should highlight what a garbage club Wimbeldon FC was in their final days. Ran into the ground
@@_peepyopeeand then that you stole their club and have now become a new plastic member to the efl
@@elliottspokemon2654 saved* the club from administration. Fact!
I have a soft spot for afc Wimbledon cause of them lol
Cool and unique colour scheme aswell
It’s how AFC Wimbledon became one of my favourite English clubs despite being a random Australian
The crazy gang documentary Bt sport did was ace as well
@@VizehBoca Juniors vibes
Just a heads up the grizzlies failed in Vancouver because the organization made poor draft picks, city of Vancouver didn’t show up to games and the canadian dollar was just weak overall. In a draft, Steve Francis got picked by them and he fully declined, resulting in him getting waived(hella disrespectful tbh). When Toronto and Vancouver entered the league they were both bad, but we’re a bigger city with much more money floating around and a population of basketball fans
Franchises don't work in other English sports either. Wasps RFC were the professional arm of one of the oldest Rugby clubs in the world, Wasps FC, (predating the RFU and FA) and based in NW London. However, after a few seasons under the same ownership as QPR and based at Loftus Road, they were sold on and ended up in an awful groundshare agreement with Wycombe Wanderers. Not London, but at least in the commuter belt.
Literally months away from going bust, they took advantage of Coventry City's owners SISU being silly buggers with the Ricoh Arena's owners and managed to buy the ground under City's noses. Problem is, they purchased it through supporters buying bonds. The arena never made as much money as they expected, and then the bonds were due to be repaid right in the middle of the pandemic. They couldn't get a bank loan to cover the bonds and went bust.
The ground was sold to Mike Ashley, Coventry became the main tenants again, and now Wasps are trying to establish themselves in Sevenoaks for the 24/25 season with no announced players, coaching staff, known funding or even complete planning permission for a new stadium. And they want to be in the 2nd tier. It's an absolute farce and it's only because of their past success and shareholders that it's even being considered.
I remember MK Dons somehow got promoted to the Championship with automatic promotion as well as Bristol City. Now they are in League Two😳
Nonsense like this has been why I’ve had an intense aversion to Austin FC here in the states since they were founded. Have hated them their entire existence and always will because the *city* was actively pining for my side.
i live in texas and i support almost every team from this state. but Austin FC is the one team i only wish failure because of that shit with their owner trying to screw over Columbus. i KNEW i was gonna hate austin when the people who were pushing for Austin to be in MLS had snobby disdain for Columbus Crew going away by saying "they can just support another team in their state". so every time Austin plays against dallas or houston, i pray to all the gods for Austin to take big L's
@@NegaRenGenX2gay2lift
You dropped your crown king. The way they talked about us, the way they dismissed us, the way they attacked their own city councilors for even questioning the move was pathetic beyond measure.
I wouldn’t say I am a Dons fan but I’ve been to games growing up , living just outside of mk it was the closest “big” club around and my dad could get the ticket cheap so it was a good bit of fun for what it was , I will always have good memories of the time spent watching them play. As United fan I still struggle to understand how that 4-0 even happened it was a travesty 🤣
2004! Such rich history compared to the most hated club in Germany: Red Bull Leipzig (founded in 2009)
Ich sehe das Video und dachte die ganze Zeit an Markranstädt.
Oi Vizeh. I've been really enjoying your content since two, three years ago. I really want to thank you for making these videos about football as a sport generally. As a person living in South Korea and probably one of your few Asian audiences, you've really helped me keep up with the footballing culture in England. But I have to ask for you to make a video essay on Jurgen Klinsman. He was sacked by the South Korean FA a mere 3 days ago, and he was only 11 months into his South Korean manager tenure. His incompetence caused the South Korean national team, possibly the strongest in all of Asia, to get knocked out of the AFC Asian cup in embarassing fashion in the quarter finals. It may be a good result for south Korea, but Klinsman was completely neglective of the national team, and only relied on the star players to get results without giving any tactical advice. Not to mention he spent HALF OF HIS TENURE OF KOREAN NATIONAL TEAM MANAGER IN THE US OF A. IS HE TAKING A GOD DAMN PISS. The South Korean FA sacked him a few days ago, but thanks to him the national team's ego and the player's overall morale has taken a huge hit. The South Korean football fans are absolutely enraged about the FA's decision in the first place to promote Klinsmann as their head coach. He was inconsistent in Bayern Munich and Schalke. I know that it may be a big leap for you to focus on issues outside of European football, but I can't and don't want this issue to be contained just inside Korea. I want the issue to be spread world wide. So it would be great if you could do a video essay about Jurgen's horrendous south korean tenure. Thanks a lot for the great content you make man. keep it up.
Franchise filth has no place in football. Up the REAL Dons. COYD💛💙
Rebels has no place in football COYD🤍💛
"real dons"? get ur facts right even wikipedia says you are a pheonix. a club claiming theyre the real wimbledon, yet they were created by fans, that were too lazy to go mk to watch games, there are wimbledon fc fans that have moved from wimbledon to milton keynes to support their club, and still do to this day. we are the better team as we thrive in league two next season and u will rot in league to for another 10 years- unless u get relegated. enjoy the 3-1 loss ❤
@@hopefulline7196 Spiteful trolling. Stop it.
The part that annoys me the most is the fact that they stole the nickname "the Dons" from Wimbledon. They might be hated a tiny bit less if they were known as the Roundabouts. Or the Concrete Cows. 🤷♂
But if you want to support a club in the MK area with a little bit more soul, there's Newport Pagnell Town in tier 9.
Australian Dons fan here
MK all the way
Up the franchise!
ive been to the ikea next to the mk dons stadium and my dad was living in MK when the waste of space was being built
In St. Pete, Florida, Tropicana Field (The Trop) was built in the late 80s to lure a baseball team over to the Tampa Bay area. This did not happen for nearly a decade, until MLB expanded, adding a team called the Tampa Bay Devil Rays (now just the Rays) in 1998. So some parallels to MK Dons (stadium built before team existed) except nowhere near as bad
They were a brand new team though. Not stolen from somewhere else.
Although I hope the same doesn't happen to the Rays themselves.
Wasn`t another reason the ground was built because the FA thought that England were nailed on to host the 2006 World Cup , because of David Beckham , and needed decent grounds
Also thank you for reminding us why the Memphis Grizzlies remain in the NBA's Western Conference even though they are closer to New York than Los Angeles.
At this point they should just drop the dons from their name and go as mkfc and show that the club is there for the people of milton keynes
nah
mk dons are wimbledon fc
we will never deny our history.
Scum @@hopefulline7196
@@hopefulline7196 doesn't matter what league you're in, you'll never be wimbledon
@@hopefulline7196 It's not your history though. Weren't you ever taught that you can't steal things and pretend they're yours?
Isn’t Millwall the most hated
at least milwall fans are funny
By fanbase from a perspective in the 90's and 00's maybe, however at least as a club they respect their history and culture. MK Dons don't even have that
Leeds, Liverpool, Man United, Chelsea, and MK are probably more hated.
Millwall is a scummy club that is supported by bigots, but at least the club is legitimate.
@@Vizehdo a video on millwall and we lost 0-4 today and are 21st in the championship
Going to a Dons game is worth it if you live in MK and you want to watch some cheap league 2 football because there’s always tickets, used to go when I was at school when Dele was still there, good days out if you’re a neutral tbh
They went from just a point away from us and the chamionship to being in league two in the span if 3 season. Bit mental to think about
MK Dons are hated, but I have to admit......I do quite like managing them on Football Manager!
Their kits are quite cool (all white home, usually all red/all black away kits), they have a 'cool' sponsor in Suzuki ('cool' because it reminds me of the old Suzuki Escudo Pikes Peak car from Gran Turismo 2....and, at least it ain't a gambling company!), and they have a _massive_ stadium that is basically purpose built to be a Premier League ready stadium.......but it's still actually quite a challenge to get them into the Premier League, but if you can, their fanbase does eventually grow enough to fill the stadium!
I kinda hate myself for making them good though, so it's not a team I choose to manage on FM all that often lol
afc wimbledon has football manager as their sponsor ;)
Afc wimbledon is the real story. Winkleman couldve invested in MK City and eventually built the stadium with similar attendances to what they have now. To anyone who says thats not possible, look what wimbledon did. Without big money, Wimbledon came from the combined counties to the EFL in less than 10 years and now have built a stadium on the same road as the old wimbledon FC stadium. Fairytale.
I’ve got a strange relationship with this “entity”
1. In the 90s was at med school in Tooting- lived on Garrett Lane about a mile away from a derelict Plough Lane
2. Ended up living and still working in Luton. Recall some issues about 20 yrs ago re Kohlerdome and ideas to move to MK- which were derided
3. But by then Winkleman moved WFC to MK- and the rebranding. Now I live 12km south of Stadium MK- even been to a friendly when they opened the stadium and a Spurs XI beat them 5-3.
And it’s got a lovely hotel. Great cinema. Nice restaurants.
And that’s it. It’s fucking despicable to move a team and disregard a fan base. And it’s wonderful AFC Wimbledon have come home to the old Greyhound Stadium at Plough Lane.
It is crazy, they would have been better off just starting a club off from scratch. Milton Keynes is one of England's newest towns, so it would have worked I think
It did work. New club started life in the football league.
I have honestly got to thank the owners of MK Dons for not buying my club. Much love on valentines to them
Great video once again Vizeh. I'm an English football fan in Vancouver and would never have thought I would watch a football video and here the word Vancouver in it. 😂
As a lifelong MK resident, I can confirm that Dons' fan base is even smaller than their attendances suggest. About 80% of the people I know who attend games at stadium MK actually support Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea etc.
Sounds familiar to other non prem fans
They support their local club, as well as supporting one of the big 6
Quite common
For a while when they were just starting over me and a few friends would go watch and spend out money at Wimbledon whenever our team played MK Dons away.
As someone who lives near Milton Keynes, the stadium looks cool and that’s all I have to say about MK dons
Missed opportunity to mention Arsenal who moved from Woolwich in south east London to North London and the area they moved to became known as Arsenal so to say MK were first is missing a big moment in the earlier days of football.
As an American, I agree that franchising is absolutely stupid. And it’s why I 100% prefer the college versions of our countries sports over the professional teams. They’re attached to the flagship universities in the state so they literally can’t move.
As a proud Alabama Crimson Tide fan, I never thought that I would ever agree with a Tennessee Vol fan about anything, but your post was spot on.
College Football is so much better than the NFL and the fans are much more loyal and passionate.
You could have a nap across the many empty seats around you at half time. 😅🤣
Reminds me allot of RB Leipzig. The most hated club in Germany. But what they did was on a bigger scale
I hate that the awesome place in Leipzig is sold to Red Bull. This place is basically on of the most historic places of german football, once the biggest stadium in Germany and now plastic everywhere.
Ironically MK Don's have more fans than most Saudi Games
There's no MK Dons in UK. There's only Wimbledon there.
It also came out recently that there was some interest in moving the team to Belfast too
Nah it’s millwall
Imagine if some of the other teams had relocated or being forced to go there. Milton Keynes Rangers, Milton Keynes Palace, Luton Keynes....
Good timing
No one likes us, no one likes us, we don’t care we are MK super MK, MK Dons FC
I genuinely love how apologetic Vizeh is to MK Dons fans because there's no real way to properly explain their history as a football club without pissing off a few MK Don fans. Great video as usual mate. I'm curious if the attendance issue would be the same if they were in the Prem tho. 🤔
When I think Milton Keynes, the first thing that comes to mind isn't a football club, it's the fact that I thought it was the name of a Chocolate brand and probably one of the biggest Greenday gigs they've ever played. At best I've played MK on career mode if that counts as fandom 😂😂😂😂 and the reason i did was because i saw a Vid of that 2005 Greenday show
Another big thing to understand about franchises and leagues in NA is that you can buy your way into the top professional leagues if you have the money. Wanna start a team? Are you rich? Do you know a city that wants a sports team? Congratulations, you own a TOP TIER professional sports team.
As a north american, this works in our leagues and systems. MK Dons is a perfect example as to why that model will always fail in other systems.
Manchester city?
Chelsea?
Soery, but your wrong
@@_peepyopee no, idiot, I’m not. Chelsea and Man City are still able to be relegated from the top league in theory.
NA teams can tank an entire season and stay at the top level.
Ok. Time to win the Champions League with MK Dons on EA FC 24, just to take the piss
Rare now a days for an owner to actually care about the club and build it properly.Blackburns owner in the 90’s(I forgot his name don’t hate me) was a prime example of a great owner.Vizeh don’t hate me because i mentioned blackburn
To all MK Dons fans - your club is utterly sickening. Milton Keynes was made to reject Londoners to a new town. You'll never understand what it means to be from South London, a cultural hotbed, the best rollercoaster on Earth. So much great music and theatres and stadiums yet so many estates, so much deprivation, so many stabbings every single week. These estates bring cage football - AFC Wimbledon are the best example of triumphing over adversity. For a team that originally got rapid promotions in the late 70s to a club moved 72 kilometres away, with the colours, badge, name and location all drastically changed, from the 9th tier the fans set up a new club and got 5 promotions in 9 years. Through offering contracts to young pro footballers, we've saved so many kids from disgusting knife violence that you could NEVER understand. We still have no money as a club. We give players £15 vouchers for local cafes to get lunch as we can't even afford to have a canteen in our training ground. Our fans clubbed together to raise £33 million, £9 million of that in a loan - the largest football bond ever issued in sporting history - in which thousands of our fans put in thousands of pounds each at tiny interest rates knowing they wouldn't see the money again for the 20-year length of the loan. All this, in a cost of living crisis, to rebuild our club. A lot of Wimbledon fans DIED before ever seeing their team come back to Plough Lane solely because of your club's existance alone. I work in media and rest assured I will be speaking to my colleagues at ITV to arrange a docudrama on how repulsive MK Dons are and how AFC Wimbledon rose up the leagues from the brink of despair. After the Hillsbrough disaster and the Post Office scandal, I genuinely believe that Pete Winkelman stealing WFC was the third biggest miscarriage of justice in Britain's entire legal history. Rest assured that by the time we get this documentary out, there will be national utter outrage and the whole country will see what your club stole. It's only thanks to a massive effort that had a tiny chance of happening that AFC Wimbledon are back in the EFL and back at Plough Lane. Lives SHATTERED for three decades, homeless. You could NEVER understand what it means in South London, how culturally significant football is in the wellbeing of London citizens and the prevention of knife crime. The Hillsbrough disaster and Post Office scandal are so, so similar to AFC Wimbledon. All those board neetings, fighting tooth and nail for decades for justice. Ivor Heller, who set up AFC Wimbledon, is exactly like Anne Williams, or Alan Bates. Ivor Heller is literally like Matthew in the Bible. He facilitated a ressurection, from the absolute unthinkable brink of despair - WFC, a piece of Britain's cultural heritage, DEAD because of your club. You forced our academy players back onto the South London estates, back into knife crime. You will never understand. You stole a 113-year-old club, an institutiom bringing hope to South London since 1889. AFC, we were told by Parliament that our very existance was "not in the wider interests of football". We went back into Parliament with the organisatiom FairGame - it is thanks to AFC Wimbledon fans that the white paper on ownership is being put through. Thanks to these fans, who ironically had their own club shattered to utter smithereens, no club in the UK will ever again change badge, location, colours or name without majority approval of club fans. In summer 2002, Chelsea had just won the Premier League and AFC Wimbledon had just been set up in the 9th tier. The Dons, even in the 9th tier, had a larger regional charity operation than the reigning Prem champions! AFC Wimbledon have already had preseason tours abroad. Support from the brink of death, from despair, from not existing. We amassed record season ticket sales straight after our first relegation. Over 4,000 fans every other Saturday in the 9th tier and it's more than double that now we're 5 divisions higher and back at home. Thanks to US. And nobody else at all.
bro is really mad it seems like- we are better than afc wimbledon, who have never sold our their scummy stadium, yet we got 30k at a league game against bolton. afc kingston will enjoy next season in league two👍
Well said, the very existence of Wanklemans club is offensive..
It's not that deep, buddy. Take a chill pill.
no point posting this, the people there can't read
Wimbledon has already moved to selhurst park, how do you feel about that one? There is actually a generation of Wimbledon fans who started supporting wimbledon when they already had relocated.
would love a video on the rise of afc wimbledon!!
mk dons are such a joke. i can't believe they were allowed to just stay in league one, rather than start from the beginning as a total new club...
So you think whenever a club changes owner or area should start at the bottom of the pyramid.? Interesting you hot but please shut up.
As an AFC Wimbledon supporter, I can’t stand MK Dons however without the split we never would have been in the position we are in now
its ok u can support ur scum football team while we thrive in league one next season
Someone that finally gets it. If wimbledon was never brought you were of never had the reaction you had to grow afc.
I don't agree, if the club had been able to go in to administration naturally in 2002 we were there, ready and willing to pick up the pieces. We'd have a mess on our hands, but we wouldn't have been starting from nothing, and we wouldn't have to coexist with them! Mk fans would also be having a better time of it, because if the money and energy that went into stealing Wimbledon had been directed at mk city FC, they'd be in a surprise stadium and thoroughly respected
@PeterBowles316 not you weren't their ready to pick up the pieces
Your club was about to be non existent
@@_peepyopee I was there, I'm not saying it would have been pretty, but given that we built AFC Wimbledon from nothing in less than 3 months, it's nonsense to say we couldn't have fielded a team. I'm also not saying we wouldn't have likely had back to back relegations, but even if we were relegated for 6 consecutive years, that would have been better than having mk exist
MK Dons are just a rebranded American style franchise club.
Stadium MK located in an area of Bletchley rather than Milton Keynes itself is ironic. The idea failed by the lack of growth of there fanbase. Stadium itself is rather nice.
If they'd of started at the bottom of the league pyramid they'd not get much hate.
The English league pyramid is phenomenal and with the right idea and dedication clubs can do so much. Be very interesting see if Bury or Macclesfield can get back to the EFL one day too.
Shame someone for MK didn't do it the pure way without changing the history of another club.
This video is fantastic about the rise of AFC Wimbledon
ruclips.net/video/fUeYLzwkhNQ/видео.htmlsi=Rz-RLyOe-xfMKosD
West Ham, Leeds and Millwall probably most hated clubs outside current premier league.
That video is linked is fantastic by the way, not sure MK Dons would ever really be respected unless if they changed their name and rebranded again perhaps
@@Vizeh
As generations change the hate may die down.
If and when the current MK ownership changes could dictate there fate.
Like many clubs struggle to grow fan bases thanks to TV and the premier league. As a Wigan fan I totally understand it with our own struggles. Growing there own base from local area is crucial to there existence.
There story shows why the generally American franchise idea won't ever work in UK or even tried again.
There have only been 2 premier league champions that weren't man city/united, Chelsea, and Arsenal since 1992...
@@maxmichaels5593 Blackburn, Leicester & Liverpool makes three, but I'm not sure what your point is mate. Were you replying to something which was deleted?
They have more in common with the old Wimbledon than the current AFC Wimbledon have.
Nah
Went in something like 2018. Half the seats still weren't installed in that stadium.
Was at the Bradford city 4-0 game yesterday against them it was so satisfying especially as we took there manager. Ref was shocking though even though we won
think about the sole legend mk dons ever had ，dean lewington ，he had astonishing 782 caps for this notorious club😢
Wimbledon FC have the best chant in football: "we got the ground off the wobbles, ground off the wobbles!..."
MK Dons could disappear overnight and no one would care.
The only time I've seen that stadium full was when the Lionesses played there.
People in North America seemingly don't care as much about teams relocating. The Los Angeles Lakers are one of the most famous and popular pro sports teams, and they started out in Minnesota. They're only called the Lakers because Minnesota has so many lakes (unlike Southern California)
American fans often don't like the team moves either, so from across the pond I still understand
As for MK Dons eventually renouncing Wimbledon FC's history - it's like when the NFL's Cleveland Browns moved to Baltimore and became the Ravens. The Ravens are considered to be a new team, and a few years later, a new team took over the Browns history.
And the Ravens were a replacement for the Baltimore Colts moving to Indianapolis; while the Indianapolis team kept the Colts history, most Baltimore American football fans associate with the Ravens instead - so to old Colts fans, the Ravens are like the Wimbledon phoenix club.