Audio Recorder Shootout! Part 1: Hardware: Roland R26 vs Tascam DR-60D vs Zoom H6

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  • Опубликовано: 29 окт 2024

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  • @devonbiker
    @devonbiker 10 лет назад +89

    I never understand why people have to "thumbs down" any video, especially when someone goes to all that length in making a video to help others in informing them of products normally only sold in hi end audio shops or on the internet. If you don't like the video jog on rather than making a negative statement that usually only reflect poor character on the users part.
    Thanks for the video, thumbs up from me.

    • @prattarazzi
      @prattarazzi  10 лет назад +4

      Thank you!

    • @xiushobird8732
      @xiushobird8732 9 лет назад +1

      devonbiker well put.

    • @nicolefarquharson1200
      @nicolefarquharson1200 6 лет назад +2

      devonbiker somebody is jealous of the review cause they can't do it better

    • @Deebz270
      @Deebz270 5 лет назад

      Absolutely *Devonbiker* old chap. My sentiments entirely.
      (Ex Cornish biker)

    • @Deebz270
      @Deebz270 5 лет назад

      @@prattarazzi - Excellent little review Dude. You get a thumbs up from me too and I'll throw in a *Subscribed* as well man. This was exactly the kind of review I was looking for. ;-)
      Off to look for Part Two. ;=D

  • @michaeldavidworden1927
    @michaeldavidworden1927 9 лет назад +3

    Extremely useful comparison of the 3 audio recorders I've been looking at, Eddie. Very grateful to you for taking the time to put this together. Cheers!

    • @prattarazzi
      @prattarazzi  9 лет назад

      Michael David Worden Hey Michael, you're welcome. It's tough when there's so much choice these days! I'm glad you found it helpful :-)

  • @Bourbon-Canted-Ky-Windage
    @Bourbon-Canted-Ky-Windage 8 лет назад +7

    I finally made up my mind and bought the Roland R-26. I like the large screen. Built in X-Y and stereo omnis. And the R-26 does not have a bunch of unnecessary functions which complicates the operation.

    • @prattarazzi
      @prattarazzi  8 лет назад +1

      Hey Danny, hope you have fun with it. It's tough choosing products these days. They're all so good!

  • @associationSOURCE1993Aix
    @associationSOURCE1993Aix 8 лет назад +8

    Thank you so much for your gentle mind et soft voice !

  • @BDMSTUDIOS
    @BDMSTUDIOS 7 лет назад +2

    Great video for the comparison of these three recorders, very well executed! Very nice and easy audible tone of voice and thank god no disturbing/irritating music on the background. Cheers

    • @prattarazzi
      @prattarazzi  7 лет назад +1

      Hey, thank you for the feedback and happy it was helpful.

  • @rondionline
    @rondionline 8 лет назад +1

    Very informative, and beautifully quiet presentation.

    • @prattarazzi
      @prattarazzi  8 лет назад

      Thank you. I'm glad you found it helpful.

  • @EdStarkey
    @EdStarkey 10 лет назад +3

    I just bought the DR-60D, and it works pretty good. My only issue is with the battery life. When I use phantom power with a fresh set of Ni-MH batteries, I lose a bar of better life in around ten minutes (it if three bars).
    I also discovered that unlike the DR-40, you can't do over dub on previously recorded tracks to build up an audio track. I don't particularly need this feature, but I expected it to be a given since their previous model supported it.
    I did a few sample recordings and the audio quality difference is night and day when compared against my Canon 60D dslr! I used a cheap Pyle uni-directional mic boomed overhead and it drastically improved the audio quality by isolating dialog from ambient noise. I will do a double audio system from here on out!

    • @EdStarkey
      @EdStarkey 10 лет назад

      Yeah J. X. Carrera, at $200, the DR-60D is a steal!

    • @genekim2248
      @genekim2248 10 лет назад +2

      Ed Starkey
      i had the same issue with the 60d. Using energizer lithium ion batteries, i can boom all day while supplying phantom.

    • @LeoMahoney70
      @LeoMahoney70 10 лет назад +1

      Gene Kim Thanks Ed, good to know the 60 works better with lithium battery.

  • @thebusinessfirm9862
    @thebusinessfirm9862 5 лет назад +1

    Fabulous review mate. Thanks for making this video.

  • @thunderball21789
    @thunderball21789 9 лет назад +1

    Thank you for making this video, it is very helpful for me.
    Great job.

    • @prattarazzi
      @prattarazzi  9 лет назад

      +thunderball21789 Hey, I'm happy it was helpful for you. Thanks for checking it out.

  • @applekp1
    @applekp1 11 лет назад

    well done, well thought out video. Good to hear the practical sde of recording setups and the use of your hands in your video to demonstrate size of units. We used to call it features and benifits.

  • @dislokated
    @dislokated 7 лет назад +3

    Thank you for the great review!

  • @gregguzdziol
    @gregguzdziol 10 лет назад

    Great job done here. Very useful and insightful commentary. Liked it a lot.

    • @prattarazzi
      @prattarazzi  10 лет назад

      Thank you! Happy it was useful for you.

  • @davidmac42
    @davidmac42 11 лет назад

    Great Video, really interesting to see the differences between the 3 products. I have the Zoom H6 but looking forward to seeing your audio tests!

  • @LEXTERVIEW
    @LEXTERVIEW 10 лет назад

    Very nice ! Thank you for the audio comparison !!

    • @prattarazzi
      @prattarazzi  10 лет назад

      Thanks Yani! Glad you enjoyed it.

  • @joshua3113
    @joshua3113 8 лет назад +2

    I bought the tascam dr-70d recently because of the price and some functions I needed. Safety track is great feature and has 4 xlr inputs and low cut filter (although it's digital) is a useful function. The shape is great as well and has 4 dials (although digital). I used it on a shoot for a short film last week and it did great. Have an old gun sling I used as a strap and a cheap usb battery velcro'd to the recorder which ran the recorder and 48 volt phantom powered mics all day. I did charge it over the lunch break but honestly didn't need to. Not a pro recorder but very nice for what it is. My next recorder will be the zoom f4 when I start doing bigger shoots.

  • @tjo1984
    @tjo1984 10 лет назад

    Very thorough man. Well done. Thank you.

  • @tibi1687
    @tibi1687 11 лет назад +3

    that mid side mic everyone is talking about is not correctly named. MID SIDE is a recording technique that can only be achieved using a condenser mic like a Rode NT1A or AKG C414 set to record something like a guitar and a mic that has a figure 8 polar pattern. the way you place the mics in order to achieve a mid side recording is: place the akg mic with the recording face pointing to the source and the figure 8 mic at a 90 degrees angle like the mics on the zoom h6. basically the normal condenser mic will record the source and the figure 8 will record the sides, giving the recording a wider sound stage. that mid side mic is just an omnidirectional mic. Omnidirectional does not mean mid side. trust me I'm a engineer.

    • @DerVagabundli
      @DerVagabundli 10 лет назад

      You´re half right. MS is a recording technique as you said. It is achieved with this mic by having two capsules , one being an 8 and one a cardioid, hence creating the setup you described. The mic records 2 channels and needs the usual MS decoding, which the H 6 can also do internally.

  • @ThomasParmelee
    @ThomasParmelee 9 лет назад +2

    This review is extremely well-made, and very helpful. For now, all I can say is thank you for making this movie.

    • @prattarazzi
      @prattarazzi  9 лет назад

      Hey Thomas, thanks for your feedback. I really appreciate it.

  • @KutOnBass
    @KutOnBass 11 лет назад

    Thanks a lot for this review, looking forward to the next part. I just got a zoom H6 today, will use it for work next week :)

  • @JerseyMiller
    @JerseyMiller 6 лет назад +1

    great video thanks for putting in the time

  • @GaryDmedia
    @GaryDmedia 9 лет назад +1

    +prattarazzi Appreciate the extensive overview of the three recorders. Just wondering what application you are using the recorders for?

    • @prattarazzi
      @prattarazzi  9 лет назад +1

      +Simple Audio Tips Hey there. Thank you. Mainly for interviews and voiceover.

    • @GaryDmedia
      @GaryDmedia 9 лет назад

      +prattarazzi You have a good variety. Thanks again. Hope to see more videos in the future maybe when you get time.

  • @JasonKatsanis
    @JasonKatsanis 7 лет назад +2

    Thanks for a great review! I'm looking into something for field recording, and do not foresee a need for 4 xlr inputs, plus I like the controls better on the R26; however, I read some complaints about handling noise on the R26. The Zoom H6 seems to be quieter and more forgiving of accidentally brushing the recorder body.
    Do you ever do handheld recording? Would you say there's a significant difference between the R26 and H6 as far as handheld recording?

    • @prattarazzi
      @prattarazzi  7 лет назад +1

      Jason Katsanis Hey, thank you. I think the quality from both is very good for handheld recording. I think the Zoom has less handling noise, but for any of recorder you really want to keep your hands still, and not rubbing on the body of the recorder. It's the same when using a handheld microphone - good holding and reduced hand movement gives better results.

  • @kenyee88
    @kenyee88 11 лет назад

    Looking forward to the audio comparison :-)

  • @AlamoCityCello
    @AlamoCityCello 11 лет назад +1

    Awesome!
    Many Thanks

  • @xperience-media7396
    @xperience-media7396 10 лет назад

    Nice- I'm leaning toward the 60D using with eneloop batteries - probably use this setup with the RODE reporter mic which being dynamic wont suck as much power

  • @nonsequitur313
    @nonsequitur313 10 лет назад +1

    thank you, nice review

    • @prattarazzi
      @prattarazzi  10 лет назад

      Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.

  • @mangreat71
    @mangreat71 10 лет назад

    Question about the mic volume? Whats the proper level to set the mic volume to make music? Cause i can use my cell phone to control the volume of the beat.

  • @elebecepe
    @elebecepe 8 лет назад

    Hi, I need a portable digital recorder to record live music (classical, mostly singing) and a budget of $200 tops I've found Roland R05, Zoom H1/4, Tascan DR05/07/40, etc. Wich one would you recommend? Thanks!

    • @togeka6295
      @togeka6295 7 лет назад

      I would usually go for a Roland R05...but sold out everywhere today :'/

  • @shedyizoya7717
    @shedyizoya7717 10 лет назад

    Please i need opinion on this: Which is better between Zoom h6n recorder and Tascam 60d mc2 audio recorders? I need to buy one now to do my movie.

  • @prattarazzi
    @prattarazzi  11 лет назад +2

    Hi, I haven't uploaded the video yet, but the raw audio is linked in URL in description at top of page. All from same mic Rode NT5, 44.1kHz WAVE 16 bit, no filters. All 3 recorders.

  • @gerardoguerrav.3918
    @gerardoguerrav.3918 10 лет назад

    Thank you for this review!
    Please, Do you think the headphone output (3.5mm) of the ROLAND R26 it's good enough to connect it to the DSLR and record simultaneously with the Camera?

    • @prattarazzi
      @prattarazzi  10 лет назад +2

      Hi Gerardo. The headphone output is clear and loud. I'm sure it would be sufficient to take and record to a DSLR, if all you need is a 2nd track to synchronise with the audio from the R26.

  • @Gibson1976uk
    @Gibson1976uk 7 лет назад +1

    Just ordered the H6, it was in special deal, slight discount with an extras kit for free :) cheaper than the Roland

    • @prattarazzi
      @prattarazzi  7 лет назад

      Nice. I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

  • @ChellaPandian-l6z
    @ChellaPandian-l6z 8 лет назад +1

    In my experience-ZOOMH6 is superb recorder

  • @MikeHenrick1
    @MikeHenrick1 8 лет назад

    thankw for the great info though. I bought an r26 sounds awesome. using a beyerdynamic mc 740 and sm57. it's on this review not previous one.

  • @BravingTheOutDoors
    @BravingTheOutDoors 10 лет назад +3

    So… it’s not that this video is bad, certainly, it’s very informative but you missed out a key point that elevates the Tascam to a higher level or at least, puts it in a different ball game altogether. The Tascam synchronizes (automatically) video and sound. That means that for editors and film makers the whole time consuming issue of synching the two and having to clap at each take is completely ruled out as redundant! If you need to shoot video the Tascam is the professional choice, the others are basically child’s play on the regard. In addition, quality of recording is better and the machine itself seems a bit more robust in my opinion. The only plus to the Zoom is the additional channels but with all due respect if you’re a professional video shooter and you need to record 4 channels or two stereo files you are not going to do it with a Zoom, seriously, let’s get serious. It’s a nice feature but it’s more of a gimmick to put 4 channels on a hand held device. For what it’s made of the Tascam is the winner. If you need a portable recorder with built mics the Tascam still wins because they have the DR-100MKII Which is better than the other two you showed!

    • @prattarazzi
      @prattarazzi  10 лет назад

      Hi. The Tascam does have very nice build quality, and the price seems to have dropped, making it a great deal! It's menu system is also a joy to use. I'd agree that the Tascam is targeted and created more specifically for people recording video, with camera in/out and slate options. I guess users of the other products are just syncing their sound using something like PluralEyes or DualEyes - which seems to do a really good job. The thing that seems to be detracting from the Tascam and putting off some people is the 'zipper' or stepped sound when adjusting the gain control during recording. I'm not convinced it's such a huge problem in reality, but people are often put off buying something when they think it has an inherent fault or limitation. I was hoping to see Tascam fix it with a firmware update, but nothing yet... I think it'll help their sales if they remove this as an objection to buying.

    • @BravingTheOutDoors
      @BravingTheOutDoors 10 лет назад

      prattarazzi I think that most people who synch sound to video use Premiere =]
      Thank you for replying though.
      I can only say that as per video making the DR-60D offers something no other (currently and to my knowledge) product does. The only other product that I’ve seen to (allegedly) do the same type of job is made by Panasonic and will connect to their newly GH4 to elevate it from a “simple” 4K to a 4K with XLR connectors which basically provides a Hollywood quality shooting and recording for around 2,000$ but as a sound recorder (if being used solely for that reason) I would not buy the DR-60D at all! The reason is simple - battery life is horrendous for something that is supposed to be portable. The reason they “don’t care” has to do with the video world. It’s not uncommon to spend about 100$ on batteries per shooting day but if you’re, say… a podcaster or someone who wants to record prolonged audio in remote areas where electricity is non-available the DR-100MKII offers a win! It’s basically the modern replacement of the old DAT (the bigger scale machine that had digital tapes) and it is an absolute phenomenal device! First off, it offers two separate battery slots for two types. That gives you so much freedom because the two together allow for approximately 8 working hours and with lithium batteries you get around 15 working hours which basically means that the device can do hard pressed work from morning to night. Second, you can replace one set of batteries without breaking the work flow! That means that you don’t need to stop recording when you need to change batteries… this is huge! Thirdly, it offers delayed controls so no pressing and clicking will affect the audio and the microphones can switch from directional to omni. So all in all I still consider Tascam a far superior company and having worked with both Tascam and Zoom (I own both) I can also say that build quality of Tascam products is probably 800% better.
      Cheers!
      Keep up the good videos.

    • @greyfoxzero
      @greyfoxzero 10 лет назад

      Your saying the tascam has timecode?

    • @matrixate
      @matrixate 10 лет назад

      EXACTLY...I just read your post after posting mine.

    • @Deebz270
      @Deebz270 5 лет назад

      @@prattarazzi - Exactly. The DR-60D uses rotary encoders for its line/mic gain controls, these RE's are incrementally stepped and it is those steps that one can discern on playback, should the gain conrols be adjusted during recording.
      In field operations, this could be an issue, as sound levels might need constant monitoring and adjustment.
      In interior locations, in controlled conditions, like a studio, this would be of little concern, as a soundcheck would always be performed and gain/peak levels adjusted before recording commences.
      It is the *only* gripe I have seen, in all the written and video reviews of the Tascam DR-60D. I am not sure whether the DR60D V2 or The DR-70D have solved that issue.
      It remains however, high on my list, or neck-to-neck with the DR-40 V2, as an *affordable* high quality, home studio master/field recorder.

      BTW - *BravingTheOutDoors* - Technically, the DR60D *is a four channel* recorder. The 3/4 ganged channels being controlled by the third knob. The 3/4 chan can be configured to line in (3mm) or internal mics and also serves as the -12dB attenuated 'rescue track'.
      Also, I think you'll find that *Sound Devices* & *Nagra* still hold sway over the professional audio recording market. Tascam certainly have enough products on offer, to cater for the amateur semi-pro and p
      ro alike.

  • @prattarazzi
    @prattarazzi  11 лет назад

    Hi, I haven't done a full comparison yet. All I can say is that they both sound excellent! I just did a quick simultaneous recording with a matched pair of Rode NT5 mics and I couldn't hear any audible difference between the tracks. Perhaps with a spectrum analyser and other bizarre meters you might be able to tell the different, but I can't tell the difference between the two recordings. I'll post any further findings.

  • @Excvositorum
    @Excvositorum 5 лет назад

    Hello! Thank for the review. I have a question. Is Roland R-26 still actual in 2019? I want to use it with my Nikon D7200.

    • @prattarazzi
      @prattarazzi  5 лет назад

      Hey, I think the R-26 is discontinued now. I guess they didn't sell too well or they would have created an update to it! I see they do an R-07 now, but I've never used one.

    • @Excvositorum
      @Excvositorum 5 лет назад

      R-26 now have an actual Windows 10 driver and System Update Version 1.12. Also i can buy it for the 135$ at ideal condition. It is a good deal? I don't know about a same quality recorders for a this price. By the way, are lithium-ion AA batteries suitable for it?

    • @prattarazzi
      @prattarazzi  5 лет назад

      @@Excvositorum That sounds like a pretty good deal. I haven't tried with lithium-ion AA.

    • @Excvositorum
      @Excvositorum 5 лет назад

      Thank you for help with my decision. Tomorrow i'll buy it. And would be great, if you make a video of comparing this recorder with modern alternatives. It seems to me that this is an undeservedly unpopular recorder with great potential.

  • @Shatavartverma
    @Shatavartverma 5 лет назад

    Sir which is the best of all three for films????

  • @GaryDmedia
    @GaryDmedia 9 лет назад +1

    Thanks +Prattarazzi

  • @hellbent4fruitleather863
    @hellbent4fruitleather863 3 года назад

    what is metalized plastic?

  • @uptownphotography
    @uptownphotography 9 лет назад

    Any thoughts on the audio quality of the units.....Thanks and nice video....Philip

    • @prattarazzi
      @prattarazzi  9 лет назад +2

      Uptown Photography Yes, audio quality is excellent on all units. In practical use most people who've listened to the sample audio ruclips.net/video/HSf4qOAsOsI/видео.html can't tell much difference. The choice of recorder comes down to what you need in terms of hardware inputs/outputs, physical aspects of the unit, usability, interfaces etc.

    • @uptownphotography
      @uptownphotography 9 лет назад +1

      prattarazzi Thanks for the lightning fast response. Your info is helpful...I have used Tascam products in the past being a recording engineer (before getting into photography and videography) and like the fact you can mount the camera on top of the unit for tripod use...I may go with the Tascam unit. Thanks again for a great comparison video... Philip

  • @wagzbullmax
    @wagzbullmax 5 лет назад +1

    I appreciate your work, but I think most of us can look at the systems and understand the basics. Suggestion for next video, just jump into the practical uses. Thanks for your time and effort. Although I had to suffer through the beginning, it was worth it.

  • @prattarazzi
    @prattarazzi  11 лет назад +1

    There is a USB connector but this is for connecting as an audio interface and access to the SD card for mass storage. It doesn't power the unit.

  • @JonWitsellPhotographicArts
    @JonWitsellPhotographicArts 10 лет назад

    Just a thought: you might want to distinguish between phantom power (typically 48v) and PIP, or plug in power which can be anywhere from 1-5v. Mics designed for 48v phantom won't work on PIP. And it can be a problem if you happen to adapt in the other direction... good review otherwise, thanks!

    • @prattarazzi
      @prattarazzi  9 лет назад

      ***** Hey Jon, thanks for taking the time to make this distinction and clarification. Much appreciated. Eddie

  • @SimpleScenes
    @SimpleScenes 10 лет назад +1

    NICE!

  •  9 лет назад +1

    very good thanx1

    • @prattarazzi
      @prattarazzi  9 лет назад

      Thanks Pedro. Happy that you liked it.

  • @jeremyfoster8726
    @jeremyfoster8726 6 лет назад

    got the tascam and it seems like the playback output is lower volumne than what i thought i recorded

  • @prattarazzi
    @prattarazzi  11 лет назад +1

    Raw audio from a video soon to be posted can be found in link of video description at top of page:
    Sampling 44.1kHz, WAV, 16 bit, no filters
    Rode NT5 Mic
    Roland R26, Zoom H6, Tascam DR-60D Recorders

    • @akashadowtraveler
      @akashadowtraveler 3 года назад +1

      8 yrs later, audio files still available, that's rare. Thanks so much for the video/files

  • @TonishaShirafkan
    @TonishaShirafkan 9 лет назад

    what is the release date of the r26?

  • @rogeriojin
    @rogeriojin 10 лет назад

    Could you try to use as audio interface?
    Thanks

    • @prattarazzi
      @prattarazzi  10 лет назад

      Hi,
      Roland R26: works as an audio interface
      Zoom H6: works as an audio interface
      Tascam DR60D; does NOT work as an audio interface
      Eddie

    • @rogeriojin
      @rogeriojin 10 лет назад

      prattarazzi Hello Eddie, thanks for answer! have you already tested it?Thanks again.

  • @matrixate
    @matrixate 10 лет назад +4

    Tascam is much better for lower noise and recording in general. Zoom is just marketed better but the quality is not "as good" as Tascams. Ask any pro on the field.
    The high end Rolands are great.
    Zoom is fine...not trying to knock it but people usually get Zooms because of the different features and multiple inputs but consider quality of sound secondary. If I needed more inputs, then I'd look at the Tascam DR680 or add a Tascam DR100-MKII which has decent mics on it.

  • @Kainthemain
    @Kainthemain 9 лет назад

    hich is best for filming,i bought a ntg3b shotgun mic and i need a good recorder,i think either h6 or the roland

  • @davidcanada8050
    @davidcanada8050 6 лет назад

    hi my freind i want to buy sound recorder numerique to contacte esprit talking the dead

  • @ironicchungles5912
    @ironicchungles5912 6 лет назад +1

    But what does one use these for ?

  • @michael86734
    @michael86734 2 года назад

    I like the tascam the other ones I dont know them

  • @davidcanada8050
    @davidcanada8050 7 лет назад

    Salam alikum belongs to our digital audio recorders in algeria

  • @theodorbrinch
    @theodorbrinch 10 лет назад

    oooh, it pivots when you have it on a table! shit, cant buy that one now!

  • @jwhite1663
    @jwhite1663 10 лет назад

    I haven't tried anything but the zoom H 6... Check out my latest video for a sample. So far I love it.

  • @CompetentSalesUSA
    @CompetentSalesUSA 7 лет назад

    How do they sound? Thank you.

  • @dumalucky
    @dumalucky 9 лет назад

    This is a good review.. But the style of presentation is sending me to sleep. Better than 'have a nice day USA reviews on the whole.

  • @treleasethomas
    @treleasethomas 10 лет назад

    It's not called phono btw it's called jack

  • @OVS8264
    @OVS8264 4 года назад

    I must dislike the video because 666, I am sorry but I must commit to the funny numbers.

  • @DenisUspeshny
    @DenisUspeshny 6 лет назад

    rule #1 dont you ever buy Roland. just dont. terrible user interface. poor reliability.... just totally dissapointing. buy zoom H6 and be happy.

    • @Excvositorum
      @Excvositorum 5 лет назад

      Да там много плюсов. Кроме более чистого звука и возможности комбинировать микрофоны у него и дольше жизнь от батарей, большой экран, который видно всегда и без подсветки, более низкая стоимость, особенно на вторичном рынке. А по эргономике тут у каждого свои приоритеты. На днях приобрету, может сделаю обзор.