Mundeshwari Temple, Kaimur Janpad, Bihar dates back to 108 CE. It's the oldest surviving Hindu temple structure in Bharat. Stop this distortion of history.
thats 2nd century CE, which is exactly what he explained in the video. He said there is no archeological evidence of hindu temples prior to 2nd century CE. And perhaps the idea of temples got much more prominence during the times of guptas.
@@Sandip_RoYYwell said.the idea temple is there but not idol worship is there.Idol worship in a temple started with Kings .Ancient Indians used to worship Lingum and two bull horns (represent pasupathi animal keeper) later even those lingims replaced by King idols & Brahamanic caste discrimination started .if u observe even today u can enter garbha gudi of shivalayam and touch the shivalongam where as u can not enter rest of temples where idols are Kings
@@puneetmishra4726gaslighting with convenient facts. Technically the author is not wrong given how majority of India was still jungles 40 yrs ago. That doesn’t mean anything because population centres still had significant structures for temple related rituals throughout the country. It means big cities did have big temples. Jihadis don’t dare to talk about archaeology in structures built over temple or using temple materials (to humiliate the natives as mentioned in the narratives of kings who destroyed the structures themselves) : eg. Kashi temple(gyanvapi) But whenever it comes to dissassociate Hindus from this land/culture , these hyenas jump at the opportunity as if we don’t understand the agenda behind these controversial statements. Lmao vicious uncouth Abrahamics! But
There were Egyptian temples over 3000 years ago. They were Greek temples over 2000 years ago, the temple of Solomon in Jerusalem existed over 2000 years ago. But apparently in India there was nothing. Because we all know, Indian history did not exist before Buddha as per western historians. If you look at the history of temples as actually told by the people that worship in temples, the murthy in many of the sacred pilgrimage sites existed pre Kaliyuga ( like in Srirangam, Bhadhrinath etc)
THAT'S HOW STUPID ANDH BHAKT MINDSET WORKS. BECAUSE EGYPTIAN TEMPLES EXISTED 3000 YEARS AGO, THAT MEANS OUR TEMPLES EXISTED 3000 YEARS AGO TOO!😂😂😂 IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THERE WAS ONLY BUDDHISM & JAINISM IN INDIA AT THAT TIME, BUT WE MUST CLAIM THAT OUR HINDU TEMPLES EXISTED BACK THEN!!
Even if there were not formal temple structures with their pointed peaks like today , there were definately places of worship. Those themselves count as temples.
Don't understand why all religious experts are so obsessed with HINDU GODS / TEMPLES & their culture & traditions. I have never seen any Hindu ( Sanatan Dharma) critically analyse other religions. Let faith be a personal matter of any individual. Say NO TO CONVERSIONS.
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
its weakness of modern hindu that we naively accept any so called religion. It should be us criticizing them and their new ideologies. Ask them what do they know about characteristics of god when they are just a couple thousand year old.
Lots of people done the same with Christianity and western culture as well. That is how they debunked Adam and Eve story and many other issues including assumption of flat earth et al.
Secular Hindus should just ask their new generation Muslims friends this one question! Do they think that Khilji breaking Nalanda, Mughals breaking multiple temples, taliban breaking Bamiyan Buddhas was right because their prophet did the same with Pagan temple in Mecca? Answer - Yes or no! (Ask them this & You'll get reality check of the mentality of the future 'peaceful' 'tolerant' Muslims what will happen if Hindus let their guard down!!)
Bcz hindus r busy doing casteism.not that they r neutral or doing anything positive.they hv varna system & jati to maintain at social level.so they dont research on other religions.
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
This is a grossly biased and misleading article which is perfectly in line with the policy of the channel which is to belittle Hindus and Hinduism in subtle, covert and overt ways and directly and indirectly.
They want this country to become a ISLAMIC country and they know only a Hindu can stop these FAKE Islamic trr. They question RAMAYANA but they never questioned existence of BUDDHA which was not known until ASHOKA period. 1ST text of BUDDHIST were written in and around 1st BC . Why did it take so long to write such vast knowledge about MYTHICAL BUDDHA? And what is proof that BUDDHA really existed?
@@hawkingdawking4572 Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
@@Artrader_em8ko We are not interested. We are more interested in the "Hindu culture" which is a real copy cat. Those histories are already written in volumes. the so-called Hindu fake history is yet to be dismantled. 😁😁😁
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
@@Artrader_em8ko @Artrader_em8ko We are not interested. We are more interested in the "Hindu culture" which is a real copy cat. Those histories are already written in volumes. the so-called Hindu fake history is yet to be dismantled. 😁😁😁
It's clever by half to restrict oneself to textual sources while ignoring archaeological ones. If you only relied on texts, this video is 100% right. But then again you're looking at Hindu dharm with a very narrow lens.
There was no vast use of stones during IVC then how was it possible to build a temple by rocks? How is it possible that temple had similar structure at the time of IVC as it was at the time of GUPTA EMPIRE or before.
It is possibility that they had temples which had similar to their house structure or may be they build it in their home seperately like we do today. Because many cultures of IVC are still being followed today eg. bangles, coloured shawl( recently found in RAKHIGARHI dates back to 6000bce), bangles in whole arms of both ,metals and sea shell bangles, thick necklace of metals , earthen pot in almost all rituals ( IVC used earthen pot for all purposes also for death rituals) ,
Not only that, he has cleverly snipped the context of these texts which have been mentioned just in the verse before and after. He is being an extremely deliberate scam artist.
Chaganda Vrat fake history lessons.😂😂😂😂 1. Hindi was made as a new language by the missionaries in the oriental college of Calcutta by combining various northern dilects and heavy infusion of Sanskrit. 2. Hinduism was made up around 1812 as a 'religion'. The followers were a minority until the 1871 census and after that casteless, AthiShudras, Chandalas etc were declared overnight as Hindus without the converts themselves knowing that they were Hindus by then. Thus Hindus becomes majority. 3. Santhana Dharma was cooked up in the early 1900s by the foreigner Annie Besant by copying the word from a Budhist text. 4. New country called 'Bharat' is invented for the newly evolving British empire of the Indies or the Indian region.
Born in Sri Lanka, mostly studied in Western countries (started in Oxford) - appears to be in the mould of Max Mueller. Objective of this blog appears to be to reduce the importance of Ayodhya event. If you cannot stop it, by hook or crook, at least establish that it is not a big deal.
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
Somnath’s first temple is said to have existed 2000 years ago. Is. In 649 AD, King Maitre of Vallabhini built a second temple in place of the temple and renovated it. Catholics not feeling comfortable?
Bricks structure was found below somnath structure and there were more cultural layers and they are misleading by not saying anything in support of hindus. Except terracotta or bronze metal statue there was no rock structure found during IVC.
The temple architecture obviously did exist even before 500 AD, because its impossible that you will have such sophisticated architecture as a rock cut kailash nath temple just a couple of 100 years after 5th century. Obviously it didn't exist in stone, but did in much less conservable materials like teak and other kinds of wood. That's why the initial rockcut temples mimic the wood cut architecture in india! Same is the case with earlier cities and palaces, all were built with wood, and thus anything rarely survives, other than the bases of these structures that were made with brick and stone! Brahmins may or maynot have supported temple architecture initially. In any case there is no negative injunction on temples. Plus, the 6 Hindu philosophies of Hinduism other than the so called 'mainstream brahminism' , are much older, perhaps even older than buddha! You are totally focused on Brahmins...on the other hand, the entire upanishads moved very early from advaita to qualified Advaita, as it became popular among the masses. There must have been some place to keep the newly sagun deities. Old man is a leftist and is proud of the shallow and narrow interpretations of history. The lack of proof of something doesn't mean that things weren't there, it may also mean that they may not have survived. The latest example is recently found Sinaulii wooden chariot, which is much older than 1500 bce. These historians seem like rattu totas, rather than real meaty researchers of their own subjects. They think of themselves as the vanguards of knowledge 😂😂
@@abhilashrao5350You want validation from Academic gatekeepers than using your own rational mind😂 Typical of deracinated idiots who just use the trope of appeal to authority instead of using their own brain. Brain dead zombies.
Professor Patrick may be very knowledgeable in his field of study and may be renowned for study of Indian religions, however the timing of this article is really interesting. Also the content of the article insinuating that temples are NOT important for Hinduism. Guess Print thinks the readers can't see through their propaganda efforts to underplay/undermine a big event! Welcome more such efforts by The Print and the others. Looking forward to SH hosting a debate inviting like minded people like Ravish Kumar, The Wire team, BBC, Al Jazeera, Owaisi, Ashutosh etc., on Jan 22nd 😀
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
As the inauguration comes closer ,the crying and coping of the leftist is getting INSANE.😂😂😂 No temple before 500AD. what are you smoking???let me know
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
Actually it's a bit misleading to say Buddhist temples existed prior to Hindu ones. Buddhists pantheon and Hindu pantheon were pretty much the same (Like Vishnu in Mahayana, Shiva in Tibetan). Buddhists did use temples to mediate. Brahmanical dissociation can be best seen as rivalry against Buddhists. Buddhists who preached sanyas & forgoing family life, left out social obligations (duties to your parents, funerals, new home, birth of a child etc.). Brahmin focus on these rituals reflects the needs of the society at that time. That's why Brahminical texts is focused on role of householder (Ghrihasta). This is where Dharmashastra and sutras comes into the picture. Also only half of the dharnashashtras have survived into contemporary age. So what we know is quite incomplete. Maybe there's a dharmashastra that specifically talks about Devalaka.
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
@@Artrader_em8ko @Artrader_em8ko We are not interested. We are more interested in the "Hindu culture" which is a real copy cat. Those histories are already written in volumes. the so-called Hindu fake history is yet to be dismantled. 😁😁😁
@@hawkingdawking4572 bh eemta, it's you who is crying, look at your rh etoric instead of countering logically. You can't handle truth. Hinduism was not created by the Bri tish, Hinduism believes in one God, this alone de bunks your lies. Annie beasant didn't copy anything from your vu lgar Fu ddhism
Joke like copy-cat Tindu culture. Chaganda Vrat fake history lessons.😂😂😂😂 1. Hindi was made as a new language by the missionaries in the oriental college of Calcutta by combining various northern dilects and heavy infusion of Sanskrit. 2. Hinduism was made up around 1812 as a 'religion'. The followers were a minority until the 1871 census and after that casteless, AthiShudras, Chandalas etc were declared overnight as Hindus without the converts themselves knowing that they were Hindus by then. Thus Hindus becomes majority. 3. Santhana Dharma was cooked up in the early 1900s by the foreigner Annie Besant by copying the word from a Budhist text. 4. New country called 'Bharat' is invented for the newly evolving British empire of the Indies or the Indian region.
This is agendra driven. Please do travel to Bihar and you will find a standing temple in kaimur as old as 100 BC popularly known as mundeshwari mandir. Please dont provide this agenda driven history and kindly research well.
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
There is a cabal of Indian "historians" from west who have this fetish to demean, diminish anything about Hindu religion or culture. BTW, Odissi dance had its origins way back 200 BC. What this oliver make out of it? Chew-tiia kahin a.
Even on the Ram Janm bhoomi site ,there were some structures which came out during excavation while constructing the base of Ram Temple,they were as old as 2nd century BC...Kindly watch Dr. Meenakshi Jain's interview....great going Print,you should call Romila Thapad and Irfan Habib ,if he is alive....kudos to you🙌🙌,and if you really want to represent opinions of both sides call someone from the right also..m
Why dont u go and reveal us the truth. If he is not saying in favour to u. Why don’t u become an archaeologist reveal us the facts and prove the whole world that hinduism and its gods really existed. Y to juggle in youtube comment section box
@@MGqueek Yeah right! We're gonna give up our careers and earnings just to satisfy your need to know 👏👏👏 good thinking. If you don't want to believe us, keep moving. We don't need your validation.
@@shanmukh747 LOL 😂 bcz u people know the truth that is why u people take excuses. If u really hv pride in ur religion and gods basic proof has to be shown right. Y to face the criticism if u show us basic archeological evidences we all will keep quiet 🤫. So that u people can live peacefully without facing the music. Still how many years you people lie and live like this. Dont u feel any urge to end such nonsense. India is ruling by hindus currently why cant u people spend money and search for ur RAMAYANA MAHABARATH DWARAKA ETC stories. And show to the world and prove them wrong. Instead of building a ayodya temple for story characters and worshipping them 😂🤭. Whole world looks with pity at HINDUS for ur own CONFUSION among ur selves who is GOD. Very sad lives. I wish at someday you people will definitely find out the STORY CHARACTERS on earth 😂😂😂😂😂😂. And REST IN PEACE 😌 All the best.
@@shanmukh747 if u cant go and find it better to keep your mouth shut 🤐 and listen to him. Blaming & excuses and lying are in ur BLOODLINE from the origin. HINDUISM killed buddhists and act like innocents. ON BUDDHIST MONASTERIES u built TEMPLES and claim them as your own shame on you. 😡😡😡
@@shanmukh747 without a single proof how shamelessly u come and comment here and talk about BELIEF ,VALIDATIONS. U should be in a position to PROVE it minimum atleast
Do not spread lies. The epic "Mahabharatha" was more than 5000 years old. It is not mythology as described by the western historians. It is History. It is called "Ithihasa" in Sanskrit, meaning history. It written in Mahabhratha that Arjuna, during his Teerthayatra visited Purushothama kshetra(PURI) on the east coast and Gokarna kshetra on west coast.
Chaganda Vrat fake history lessons.😂😂 1. Hindi was made as a new language by the missionaries in the oriental college of Calcutta by combining various northern dilects and heavy infusion of Sanskrit. 2. Hinduism was made up around 1812 as a 'religion'. The followers were a minority until the 1871 census and after that casteless, AthiShudras, Chandalas etc were declared overnight as Hindus without the converts themselves knowing that they were Hindus by then. Thus Hindus becomes majority. 3. Santhana Dharma was cooked up in the early 1900s by the foreigner Annie Besant by copying the word from a Budhist text. 4. New country called 'Bharat' is invented for the newly evolving British empire of the Indies or the Indian region.
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
Lets call this liar : 500 AD is middle age 4th ,5th 6th century( 1600 years ) . Harappan site 3500- 1700 AD roughly 5500 old with coins of lord Shiva . They may not be having Temples of big rocks but ancient sites have discovered sites of worship with mud and mudbricks .Saying their was no temple before 500 AD is typical to India Today which has been propagating J!had against Hindus since its existence .
@@bookno11lr25Harappan sites have no large structure like temples. It was more of an industrial civilisation. And that "Shiva" btw, is just a nickname. No-one knows who that is, as Harappan script isnt deciphered yet. Plz don't spread useless fake news.
@@bookno11lr25 This is what he said that Hindu traditions existed in one form or the other since 1000 years but temples came into existence much later. Element’s of nature which played a dominant role in the life of people then were worshipped for it was an unexplained phenomena back then. It was these elements that was worshipped not the gods that we see now. So what he said does makes sense.
Patrick Olivelle is an Indologist.[1][2] A philologist and scholar of Sanskrit Literature whose work has focused on asceticism, renunciation and the dharma, Olivelle has been Professor of Sanskrit and Indian Religions in the Department of Asian Studies at the University of Texas at Austin since 1991.[
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
Chaganda Vrat fake history lessons.😂😂😂😂 1. Hindi was made as a new language by the missionaries in the oriental college of Calcutta by combining various northern dilects and heavy infusion of Sanskrit. 2. Hinduism was made up around 1812 as a 'religion'. The followers were a minority until the 1871 census and after that casteless, AthiShudras, Chandalas etc were declared overnight as Hindus without the converts themselves knowing that they were Hindus by then. Thus Hindus becomes majority. 3. Santhana Dharma was cooked up in the early 1900s by the foreigner Annie Besant by copying the word from a Budhist text. 4. New country called 'Bharat' is invented for the newly evolving British empire of the Indies or the Indian region.
@@KKPR533 P!ggy Shuudra, Madrassa is the word for school in Arabic. You never had education or school until the foreigners gave you knowledge. You can't even write in English. All you have is a Latinised version of the creole- Hindi.
Why don't we leave the debate of existence of mandir/ temple architecture to Archeologists. Historians are known to not understand scientific process of archelogy.
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
The ancient temple complex discovered in Nagari (Chittorgarh, Rajasthan) - about 500 kilometers to the west of Vidisha, has a sub-surface structure nearly identical to that of the Besnagar temple. The structure is also associated to the cult of Vāsudeva and Saṃkarṣaṇa, and dated to the 1st century BC
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@@grapeshottStructural temples existed. Agama shastras describe various parts of the temple and were written between 1100 BCE and 1 BCE. Temple architecture is intricately described in aagamas. Hindu temples must adhere to them without exception.
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
@@raghurao9332 Don't listen to RSS affiliated historians, bcoz they have an ideological project now a days. Really structural temples don't exist before Guptas. Any standard historian will tell you. Only Buddhist stupas existed. And textual sources are always doubtful because they as a living tradition got revised regularly over centuries
Possibly the oldest Hindu temples in South East Asia dates back to 2nd century BCE from the Funan site of Oc Eo in the Mekong Delta. They were probably dedicated to a sun god, Shiva and Vishnu. The temple were constructed using granite blocks and bricks, one with a small stepped pond
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
Do not dismiss a person just because his name is not hindu, or because his ideas do not match our ideas. This person has made a serious study of our history and should be respected for that.
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
This whole argument is based on the fact that Indians were not worshipping any gods before the Bhakti movement. What nonsense! Did the Bhakti movement sprung out of thin air?
It is figment of imagination that Hindu temples did not exist prior to 500 ACE. There is Archeological evidence to show they had existed even in 300 BCE. During the Shung period (185-73 BCE) Vasudev (Krishna) temples were built. The Heliodorus pillar near Vidisha (M.P) is now freestanding but it was erected by the Greek ambassador to the court of King Bhagbhadra of Shung dynasty in 113 BCE and stood at the entrance of a Vasudev temple. Twenty years later King Bhagvat of the same dynasty built another 'uttam' (superlative) Vasudev temple in the neighbourhood. He also erected a pillar which is now fragmented. Unfortunately none of these temples have survived. But the inscriptions on the pillars are informative.
@@hawkingdawking4572 Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
gobar mind this is for you,without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
The list of rulers and the lengths of the lengths of their reigns are preserved in ancient works. Pushyamitra the founder of the dynasty assumed power c185 BCE. The inscription on the Heliodorus pillar records that it was built during the 14th regnal year of King Bhagbhadra, the fifth ruler of the Shung dynasty. It corresponds to 113 BCE. The pillar was erected by the Greek ambassador in his court, who had converted to Bhagvatism (Vaishnavism). The pillar was built at the entrance of an existing Vasudev temple. Twenty years later King Bhagwat Shung built another Vasudev temple in the neighborhood and erected a pillar at the entrance. It was during his 12th regnal year. The Heliodorus pillar was destroyed but the fragments were joined and it was re-erected and stands in Besnagar near Vidisha. The Bhagwat pillar is found in fragments but the inscriptions are intact.
All of you against this guy, mostly unaware of the scriptures he named. If you dont have them let it be. atleast, if you have valmiki ramayan or vyas mahabharat read it and find one sloka where a temple was mentioned. this guy is saying the truth and personally understood this a year ago when i started reading vedas and other old scriptures.
You think that hinduism = vedas or scriptures? How you would equate the bhakti sect of hinduism or yoga or patanjali or vipashana as related with vedas? Can you explain?
@@nacpatil This will be too long to answer as you have mentioned various sect and literature of those sects. I will try my best to answer it in short. Your question though is not entirely related with my response and the topic of the video. The sects you have mentioned are mostly unorganished in nature. I am by born Brahmin_Vaishnava. hence for me bhakti sect is not something new. I have the oppurtunity to endulge in multiple Vaishnava literature by born for which i am really gratefull to my birth. Once has to understand the diorama of various sects and the origin of the concept of sect wise gods or godesses. My mother is from a Brahmin_Shakta/shakti traditional family which gave me the concept of Shakta or Shakti. one thing I would like to emphasize that dividing the vedic religion in various sect made us week over the time and disturbed the power balance among societies exsisted in this country. choice of options is good but to many options made people confused over the time. The age we are living today is "Puranic Age". Because we worship dieties those are explored via various purans. Now with every puran a Gita existed. few gitas are independent as well but most of it either a part of a Puran or Mahabharat. Now coming to your point, Without a Scripture a thought or an idea cannot be conveyed. So all the sects in India is based on some kind of scripture. no sects can exsist or survive without a scripture. Even the Advaita sect which is all about a "Single origin point theory", required the scriptures to express itself and becomes Daitwa. so yes scriptures are the fundamentals for any sect or religion to exist. Now your point, Vedas=scriputes as you said ,then yes it is. The entire shastra is divided into Shruti and Smiriti. however in today's time we have to understand by reading it only as no other Rishis exsist in this country to give us true understanding of the scriptures. And "Hindu" religion of today is all about Puranas. we worship ram,hanuman,ganesh,karthik,krishna and all other kinds of gods are all from Purans,Mahabharat,Ramayan and various Gitas and Agam shastras. we do not worship Indra,varun,shaptarishi,aswini kumars,agni,brahma etc. so the "Hindu" religion of today is nothing like as per the Vedas. However if we discard the Vedas then the fundamental of hindusim is gone and it will just be like muslim and christian religion. When we take pride saying our religion is oldest and shanatan in the world it is not because of some Bhakti sect book, Shaiva sect book or patanjali yoga book , it is because of the Vedas that the world considers us to be oldest and shanatan religion. nothing in "hinduism" is older than Vedas. though calling vedas, "hindu" is wrong. because the term should be Vaidic religion. the term "hindu" was coined much later in history and most importantly not by indians. Hinduism in itself now a days a collective religion because of the sects. Now suppose we destroy the vedas, what are we left with in Hinduism in modern times? nothing, but a bunch of sects those which are newer than Christian or muslim religion. these sects those which are trying to make us Abrahamic in nature is going against the fundamental of vedas. where all are collectively one for a better existence in the world. Now, when you read 4 Vedas and three divisons of each vedas and then 6 Vedangas (not the vedanta) and all 4 parts of Kalpasutras (part of vedangas) of each vedas (as per availbility) you will gradually understand that the source of what the sects do is hidden in those texts. You just get elaboration on each when you dive into a particular sect. The origin of Vedas and Most the Vedangas are unknown but the age of each text is much older than every other sect you named. you can refer to Google Scholar or Academia website to search for various research papers on these. I will not elaborate how the ageing of text or scriptures are done. because it is too long to explore via this comment. When you refer to Yoga or Patanjali you must understand or observe or learn that when a priest do a Puja or havan at your home or any temple is suppose to do Pranayam and use various Mudras to execute certain rituals. If the priest does not do it than it is ignorance only or a short cut puja or havan you can say. The point is, the sect you name today is already a part of the process which was originated long time back before the sect in itself. in case of Patanjali, what he did is collected all and wrote it and organised the sutras. he never said he created the formulas he just organised it by collection. The same goes for Vyash rishi aswell , where he collected and organished the Vedas. Vedangas has own rishis for each topic. the concept of Vipasana is not Hinduism. it is a Buddisht concept developed much much later than vedas. you need to know that there was time in India when "hinduism" was marginalised. beacuse of the sects only everybody wanted to move way from it. too muvh biased rules and wrong things started to incorporate in the name of religion. Buddhism was much easy amd clutter free that time and dominated the entire India for great number of years. vipasana was later came under the concept of hinduism after Adi Shankaracharya eliminated buddhism from India and marginalised it in India, single handedly. various other concepts came to hinduism from buddist after buddhism started to fadeway from india. The age of the Vigyan Bhairav tantra, Brihad Tantrasara, Gerhanda samhita, gorakhnath came into mainstream after Buddhism was marginalised in India. most of these concepts discussed is similar to Mahayana, vajrayana sect of buddhism. it is a open debate that the agam and tantra is borrowed from Tibbet and part of various sects of Buddhism. No conclusion can be done on that. India is a country of "Gurus". in each traffic turn you will find a guru today and all these "gurus" of India preach what is easy to gulp and perform. this is a concept of business. where one sell according to need. people today need to do a lot of things to gain materalistic life hence they find time is short so they need "cliff note" version of religion. So these gurus sell them hatha yoga and bakti because these are easy to sell and one can twist and turn the theories according to the need of the buyer or the shisya. You will never see any Guru doing a conference or sabha on Vedas or Vedangas. they will do sabha or conference on Bhakti and yoga. even in yoga they will not sell you the full package. what is the full package? it is Rajayoga. they will sell you hatha yoga which is a part of Rajayoga only, because they know in today's life no one will buy Rajayoga. coming to the poing this Gurus entice buyers saying the yoga scriptures and bhakti scriptures are older than Vedas. they will quote some absurd number of years without understanding how time is calculated. Just asked them to decode any book of Shulba Sutras in sanskrit, you will see how these modern age enlightened gurus endup in ICUs. reading panchasutras of barahmihir will put them to coma. So you speaking various sects and comparing the age of it with the age of vedas is just a reflection of these so called guru infulence on society of hindus and that is also by social networking. if we don't read the fundamentals we will never reach the boundry. why they dont sell you Barahmihir, Shulba sutra and old vedas? because those are tough to comprehend and not easy to manupulate. you need a high degree of understanding and once who reach that, will not say to you what he understood, but will ask you to read it by your self. once you fail then only they will interfare. Autodiadict was the society of Vedic hindus. You dont need a guru for your entire life you just need an acharya or teacher who will help you read. but that is you who needs to understand. The concept of Guru is also new and post vedic concept. It was all about Acharyas earlier. when a person goes to acharyas house and study the scriptures as per his/her varna requirements. we is modern times created the concept of "gurukul". it is a new thing to vedic hinduism just life toothbrush coming to India during british raj. I doubt how many sects books you have read or which sect you follow. but my suggestion would be to open up and read all the fundament scriptures no matter which sect you are. Please don't read any scripture translation or printed copy which is written or printed in modern times. Try to collect books those which are published at least 100 years back around 1900 to 1940s. you may consider some from 1960s but not newer than that. Because the generation post independence of India is useless or garbage in terms of scriptures translation and print publication quality. I tried my best to keep it short as much as possible. Please Note: whatever sects you have mentioned in the question or comment and I have mentioned here in my reply, I have read atleast 6 scriptures on each sect and whatever scripture I have mentioned here I read it all, in addition to the Vedas and Vedangas, multiple gitas and few upanishads. I previously worked in IT industry for long and left it to explore spirituality only. I have no regrets and only happiness. I said about myself not to influence you, however to explore the possibility that we can all be in peace with the situation without judgeing it right or wrong.
@@goutam9945 "if we don't read the fundamentals we will never reach the boundry. why they dont sell you Barahmihir, Shulba sutra and old vedas? because those are tough to comprehend and not easy to manupulate": I dont think it gives anything extraordinary than what Patanjali or Buddha said or various bhakti sects. The core of hinuism similar to all eastern spirituality and that was to look inward for realization. I dont think we need vedas who in my opinion are overhyped. They are similar to notes written and copied 100 times to the extent that even mistakes get solidified makiing in incomprehensible. Human mind naturally wants to decode the glorified vedas leading to this delusion that there is some holy grail! Till today I never got any insight from so called veda experts that I couldnt find somewhere else. In fact I always felt that they rather waste time in trying to find somethign in vedas and actually find nothing other than an illusion!
@@goutam9945 "if we don't read the fundamentals we will never reach the boundry. why they dont sell you Barahmihir, Shulba sutra and old vedas? because those are tough to comprehend and not easy to manupulate." Till today no vedas expert gave me anything more than what one cant find outside. Sorry I dont believe that vedas are extraordinary. Or atleast I have seen no proof of it whatsoever. Writing again because last reply disappeared.
@@nacpatilwe are now way above the discussion of the actual topic of this video and now moving towards hate and agony. This video presented something for which I wrote a comment as an advise. you asked few vast questions and I tried to answer it as short as possible to keep within the boundry of a "comment". Being a Brahmin it will be uncharacteristic for me to ignite "shadripu" within you. The more I say it will be more of provocation towards "shadripu" within you. which I will not do, no matter what. Spirituallity is not something to debate but it is a leap of faith towards an unidentified boundry. Being a brahmin it will be my only advice towards you to live within "sat-chit-aanand" and do "seva" for betterment of others. Namaskar.
Chaganda Vrat fake history lessons.😂😂😂😂 1. Hindi was made as a new language by the missionaries in the oriental college of Calcutta by combining various northern dilects and heavy infusion of Sanskrit. 2. Hinduism was made up around 1812 as a 'religion'. The followers were a minority until the 1871 census and after that casteless, AthiShudras, Chandalas etc were declared overnight as Hindus without the converts themselves knowing that they were Hindus by then. Thus Hindus becomes majority. 3. Santhana Dharma was cooked up in the early 1900s by the foreigner Annie Besant by copying the word from a Budhist text. 4. New country called 'Bharat' is invented for the newly evolving British empire of the Indies or the Indian region.
A number of ancient Indian texts suggest the prevalence of murtis, temples and shrines in Indian subcontinent for thousands of years. For example, the temples of the Koshala kingdom are mentioned in the Valmiki Ramayana(various recent scholars' estimates for the earliest stage of the text range from the 7th to 4th centuries BCE, with later stages extending up to the 3rd century CE) The 5th century BCE text, Astadhyayi, mentions male deity arcas or murtis of Agni, Indra, Varuna, Rudra, Mrda, Pusa, Surya, and Soma being worshipped, as well as the worship of arcas of female goddesses such as Indrani, Varunani, Usa, Bhavani, Prthivi and Vrsakapayi. The 2nd century BCE "Mahabhasya" of Patanjali extensively describes temples of Dhanapati (deity of wealth and finance, Kubera), as well as temples of Rama and Kesava, wherein the worship included dance, music and extensive rituals. The Mahabhasya also describes the rituals for Krsna, Visnu and Siva. An image recovered from Mathura in north India has been dated to the 2nd century BCE.Kautilya's Arthashastra from 4th century BCE describes a city of temples, each enshrining various Vedic and Puranic deities. All three of these sources have common names, describe common rituals, symbolism and significance possibly suggesting that the idea of murtis, temples and shrines passed from one generation to next, in ancient India, at least from the 4th century BCE.The oldest temples, suggest scholars, were built of brick and wood. Stone became the preferred material of construction late
That’s not factually true. Patanjali’s Mahabhasya dated roughly in the 2nd century BCE mentions temples. If the speaker means temples with Nagara style architecture that we see in North India these days, he is right. But to say there were no temples until 500 CE is inaccurate.
You have based most of your arguments only on Dharmashastras. Some counter arguments: Literary sources - 1) The temples of the Koshala kingdom are mentioned in the Valmiki Ramayana (various recent scholars' estimates for the earliest stage of the text range from the 7th to 4th centuries BCE, with later stages extending up to the 3rd century CE). The exact verse is Verse 8 of Chapter-50 of Ayodhya Kanda. The exact words used are chaitya and yupas. Some may argue that Chaityas are associated with Buddhist architecture. But why would a Hindu text use this word? Perhaps general populace didn't see much difference between ancient Indic religions. 2) The 2nd century BCE "Mahabhasya" of Patanjali extensively describes temples of Dhanapati (deity of wealth and finance, Kubera), as well as temples of Rama and Kesava, wherein the worship included dance, music and extensive rituals. 3) Kautilya's Arthashastra from 4th century BCE describes a city of temples, each enshrining various Vedic and Puranic deities. All three of these sources have common names, describe common rituals, symbolism and significance possibly suggesting that the idea of murtis, temples and shrines passed from one generation to next, in ancient India, at least from the 4th century BCE. Archaeological sources- 1) In Besnagar (3rd-2nd century BCE), the temple structures have been found in conjonction with the Heliodorus pillar dedicated to Vāsudeva. The archaeologists found an ancient elliptical foundation, extensive floor and plinth produced from burnt bricks. Further, the foundations for all the major components of a Hindu temple - garbhagriha (sanctum), pradakshinapatha (circumambulation passage), antarala (antechamber next to sanctum) and mandapa (gathering hall) - were found. 2) The ancient temple complex discovered in Nagari (Chittorgarh, Rajasthan) - about 500 kilometers to the west of Vidisha, has a sub-surface structure nearly identical to that of the Besnagar temple. The structure is also associated to the cult of Vāsudeva (present day Krishna) and Saṃkarṣaṇa (present day Balrama), and dated to the 1st century BCE. No doubt that present day Hinduism is different from medieval Hinduism, which is different from classical Vedic Hinduism. No doubt the stone temple architecture started flourishing from the Gupta period onwards. Please note I am not a scholar. I am just presenting information which I came across.
I am not doubting the gentlemen talking here, but why can't he reference the exact Sanskrit slokas alluding to these facts, for example, ".. low prestige of the temples is indicated by vishnu smrithi where it says, recitation must not be carried within a temple... ", what page? what section? what verse?
The low prestige of the temple is indicated by the Vishnu Smriti (30.15) when it says that Vedic recitation should not be carried out “in a temple, in a cemetery, at a crossroads, or on a road.”
There is no Archeological evidence of Alexander as well, its very surprising that the quote unquote objective , unbiased journalism torch bearers subtly inject narratives which seems true with cursory research. I am no BHakt, but when every print allows these people with their narrative, it should invite people like Dr. Meenakshi Jain to rebutt him. Mr. Gupta, we expect objective journalism from your team. Not coconut ones.
Perur Patteeswarar Temple, CBE built by karikala.According to Nilakanta Sastri Karikala reigned in 190 CE. A famous text named Perur Puranam was composed by Kachiyappa Munivar in Tamil on the origin of the temple
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
I am a Muslim from Pakistan. We know Hindu temples existed since 5000 years and Hindu sailors traveled to Arabia for trade and meeting with Prophet Muhammad. Mandirs should be protected at any cost , rebuilt and cherished as part of our glorious past.
Fake news. In Karnataka itself, there are temples archeologically dated to 300AD, an example being the Pranaveshwara temple in Talagunda. The Kadamba Mayuravarma's inscription in front of the temple belongs to his rule that commenced in AD 345. Temple already existed then, built by Shatavahanas. Remains of brick temples of Shathavahana's who ruled from 30BCE till 340AD are found in Aihole etc. Who are you telling this cock and bull story that there was no temple before 500AD? This is sinister agenda driven fake journalism by Print.
Goutham buddha of 6th century BC opposed vedas and went to bodh gaya to meditate and preach Buddhism - temples of Buddhism came up since then; similarly jain temples; Hinduism much pre dated - foolish western Christian and muslim scholars show their ignorance all the time.
Opposed vedas? who told you that? hahahaha. Buddha's teachings are an extension of Upanishads and Vedas. Every Hindu saint has over the millennia improved upon the knowledge that the Vedas holds, and so did Buddha.
No matter when temples began, they are not the imagination of the Modi Govt. Hindus have faith in temples. Shekhar Gupta and his organization are making a mockery of Hindu beliefs, by trying to cast doubt on faith. I remember a NPR (USA) interviewer asking an Indian: Why do you beleive Ram was born here? His answer was: "Why do you believe Mary was a Virgin". (I'm paraphrasing). This may be good information, but in today's context, it is malicious timing. Let people have Faith, even if Virginal, untainted by doubt. Don't spoil it for them. If Logic knew everything, God is unnecessary. But Logic don't know nothing. I ain't good enough, let alone AI.
The rock-cut Udayagiri Caves (401 CE) are among the most important early sites, built with royal sponsorship, recorded by inscriptions, and with impressive sculpture - Now this 400 AD not 500 AD
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
We have written evidence from the Sangam poets, the Alwars and Nayanmars, that temples existed atleast from 3rd Century all over Bharat. We have clear descriptions of buildings and vigrahas. This buffoon is just displaying his ignorance.
Who is Patrick Oilvelle? He looks Indian. Speaks strange English. This theory has been propogated by Bhuddhists actively supported and aided by colonial "scholars". Avvayar is a sanga period (supposed to be 3rd Centrury BC) has invoked don't stay in a place or village that does not have a temple. The interesting thing is why The Print is coming up with a series of such videos now? Are they part of a toolkit to take away the sheen of Ayodhya Pran Pratishta?
As per the left historians and left media There was no Hinduism No culture No civilization in bharat Everything was brought by the British and the Mughals 😂😂😂
The speaker just said that there was no evidence of temples before a certain time. It is an interesting thought. It was not meant to be an insult. I don't see a reason for the mass outrage that this is creating, with the predictable shades thrown at his religion. Trust me, this is not a conspiracy.
Lets debate on the existence of Jesus as a fictitious character born out of imagination. When was he born? A good place to start. This is fairly new when compared to Hinduism, so facts should be more readily available. I am sure you are not taking this as an insult.
@@PalashBagchi Just for the record - and since it's become so important these days - I'm a Hindu. Let's say there were indeed no temples before a certain time and worship did indeed reside within peoples' homes. How does it matter? Does it make Hinduism somehow inferior? Does it make its teachings less relevant? Does it make the Upanishands less glorious? The short answer: no. You people need to get a life instead of tilting at windmills. Bye.
Lol, speaker is not here to share an interesting thought. We all have that. One other interesting thought is that moon is made of cheese. He is here to share facts. Sharing his opinion that seems ridiculous, at the time when the platform at which he is sharing is criticising Ram Mandir, shows ulterior motive Your attempt at Gaslighting people who are pointing that shows why people like you who are anti Hindu allowed historians like Romilla Thapar to write NCERT books, whose claims were dismissed by SC. Who said that Yudhisthira was inspired by Ashoka. Why are you so hurt at people criticising this man? That is what freedom of speech and academic enquiry is for
I fail to understand the reason for this article. What has the antiquity of temples has to do with present? Does any scripture forbids building large temples? It is for the followers to decide.
Archeological excavations of Katra Keshavdeva had yielded Ogee arches and balconies containing human figures, dated to 2nd century BCE. A clear indication of a existing temple at the site. In the Astadhyayi (around the 4th century BCE), Panini gives names of Vedic deities, such as Agni, Indra, Varuna, Bhava, Sarva, Rudra, Mrda, Aryama, Tvasta, Súrya, Sóma, Indrani, Varunáni, Agnayi, Usha, Prthivi etc, who were worshipped. Bhakti or theistic form of devotion was present in Panini’s time, which is clear by his reference to devotion to Vasudeva and Arjuna, while names like Varunadatta and Aryamadatta indicate sons were named after gods like Varuna and Aryamá, to show devotion. Panini also mentioned the use of images for worship (arcas), which indicate the existence of shrines where these arcas were worshipped. Patanjali’s Mahabhasya (2nd century BCE), which is a detailed commentary on Panini’s work, mentions the worship of Vasudeva-Krishna as a deity; and specifically mentions temples of Dhanapati (Kubera), Rama (Balarama), and Kesava (Vasudeva), where worship would occur with various elaborate rituals, accompanied by music and dance. From around the same time, there have been found murtis of Kupiro yakho (Kubera yaksa) from Bharhut, and of Balarama from Mathura. A murti with the inscription of four-armed Vasudeva-Visnu carrying gada and chakra in his upper hand and holding a sankha (broken) in the lower hand, from Malhar (Bilaspur in Madhya Pradesh), is dated to the 2nd century BCE. These murtis would all be worshipped in temples of their own. Kautilya’s Arthasastra refers to various temples within a fortified city that enshrined Shiva, Vaisravana, Asvinikumãras, Sri (Laksmi), and Madeira (a fertility goddess associated with the sect of Mother Goddess). The Arthasastra mentions images of Aparajita (Durgã), Apratihata (Visnu), and Jayanta (Kumãra), which were worshipped by King Bhagabhadra (131 BCE, the fifth Sunga ruler); and Vaishnava shrines erected by Gautamiputra Bhagavata, the ninth Sunga ruler, in his 12th year. Three inscriptions from Nagar (Chittorgarh, Rajasthan), refer to the construction of a stone wall that enclosed a place for worship of Sankarsana and Väsudēva by King Sarvatata of the Kanva dynasty (250-300 BCE). The Nanaghat (Pune) inscription of Naganika of the 1st century BCE refers to Vedic sacrifices by the Satavahana royal family and starts with homages to divinities such as Dharma, Indra, Sankarsana-Vasudeva, Chandra-Surya, and the Lokapalas (Yama, Varuna, Kubera, and Vásava). An inscription from Mora (Mathura) during the reign of Mahaksatrapa Sodasa (10-25 CE) records the installation of murtis of the five Vrsni heroes in a stone temple. Another Mathura inscription of the same time, found engraved on a doorjamb, records the construction of a temple with torana and vedika for Vasudeva.
Anyone who read even basic history will concur with Dr ollivele..... It's from the early medieval period onwards(700 CE),that we begin finding large temples being built.....prior to this the Indian landscape was dotted by Buddhist stupas and other roadside shrines....
The recent dating of Mundeshwari Temple by the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) anyway dates the temple structures to be around 108 AD, so this 500 AD timeline is anyway bogus...🤣 It is being brought up right now because "Coupta" needs masala for his new portal, and Ram Temple is the hot topic. So better create a controversy to drive viewership. You see he balances every side. He is making video accusing congress of not taking part in Ram Temple pran pratistha, on the other hand he has also put out this video to discredit the importance of temple in Hinduism using a distortian with clear bias against hindus.
The Vedas are the path, and the Agamas are the horse, agamas cover temple construction and consecration in detail, there is no specific reason for the dharmashastras to cover it. Vedas are also called Nigama, hence Agama and Nigama are highly complementary.
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
I am not a history expert. Just an average Indian watching this and wondering...While our very old civilization travelled through Harappan script, Sanskrit, Old Tamil, Pali, Brahmi, Kharoshti, Farsi, Hindi-Urdu...our "noted" historians unfortunately can read only one language. English. With absolutely no knowledge of primary sources, always relying on writings of those, who still largely are of views that idolatry is a very Satanic something and we need to be "saved".
This video will sure stir up some controversy, but i truly wish we could get a view back in time like atleast something like a satellite image, many myths and new history would have been learnt. Would be glorious to look at all the doings of man and creatures.
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
There is a concept of religion, Vedas, in India in the time travellers India, but there are no temples. At the same time, time traveller travelled to Middle East and Europe, where there is a concept of religion, the books and also places of worship. Beauty of Hipocrisy. Everything related to religion is in India but no temples (places of worship), no ashrams nothing like that. Where is the consistency?
With a lot of technological and scientific advancement such as carbon dating etc ,it is not difficult in our times to precisely date structures,rocks etc . Instead of beating bush, we should get all structures tested so that we can find out what truth is. But as far as my observation shows all our rishis,seers,spiritual and intellectual persons used to meditate under a tree or cave or on a riverside as we can know from our scriptures and documents. We cannot find any mention of temples or tirthas in Mahabharata or even in Ramayana nor is there any mention of a temple there. Most of the activities like education and religious/philosophical debates centred around ashrams. That is the reason why no mention of structures could be found during the life time of the Buddha and Mahavir. They were not by Buddha or Mahavir,but by their disciples. They cropped up much later their death. It is well known that during Upanishadic period, roaming mendicants were common ,who used to reside in forests. Both Buddha and Mahavir and other persons were the products of that time. So claims of Buddhists contradicts Buddha's teachings.
A number of ancient Indian texts suggest the prevalence of murtis, temples and shrines in Indian subcontinent for thousands of years. For example, the temples of the Koshala kingdom are mentioned in the Valmiki Ramayana(various recent scholars' estimates for the earliest stage of the text range from the 7th to 4th centuries BCE, with later stages extending up to the 3rd century CE) The 5th century BCE text, Astadhyayi, mentions male deity arcas or murtis of Agni, Indra, Varuna, Rudra, Mrda, Pusa, Surya, and Soma being worshipped, as well as the worship of arcas of female goddesses such as Indrani, Varunani, Usa, Bhavani, Prthivi and Vrsakapayi. The 2nd century BCE "Mahabhasya" of Patanjali extensively describes temples of Dhanapati (deity of wealth and finance, Kubera), as well as temples of Rama and Kesava, wherein the worship included dance, music and extensive rituals. The Mahabhasya also describes the rituals for Krsna, Visnu and Siva. An image recovered from Mathura in north India has been dated to the 2nd century BCE.Kautilya's Arthashastra from 4th century BCE describes a city of temples, each enshrining various Vedic and Puranic deities. All three of these sources have common names, describe common rituals, symbolism and significance possibly suggesting that the idea of murtis, temples and shrines passed from one generation to next, in ancient India, at least from the 4th century BCE.The oldest temples, suggest scholars, were built of brick and wood. Stone became the preferred material of construction late 1 Reply
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
He may be right, Buddhist shrines & not Brahmanical structures existed in India mainly the period 200bc to 800ad. India was combined Buddhist/Hindu for well over a thousand years.
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Mundeshwari Temple, Kaimur Janpad, Bihar dates back to 108 CE. It's the oldest surviving Hindu temple structure in Bharat. Stop this distortion of history.
thats 2nd century CE, which is exactly what he explained in the video. He said there is no archeological evidence of hindu temples prior to 2nd century CE. And perhaps the idea of temples got much more prominence during the times of guptas.
Not credible evidence of the date. It is converted from Buddhist temple
@@Sandip_RoYYwell said.the idea temple is there but not idol worship is there.Idol worship in a temple started with Kings .Ancient Indians used to worship Lingum and two bull horns (represent pasupathi animal keeper) later even those lingims replaced by King idols & Brahamanic caste discrimination started .if u observe even today u can enter garbha gudi of shivalayam and touch the shivalongam where as u can not enter rest of temples where idols are Kings
Then what's up with the title?@@Sandip_RoYY
@@puneetmishra4726gaslighting with convenient facts. Technically the author is not wrong given how majority of India was still jungles 40 yrs ago. That doesn’t mean anything because population centres still had significant structures for temple related rituals throughout the country.
It means big cities did have big temples.
Jihadis don’t dare to talk about archaeology in structures built over temple or using temple materials (to humiliate the natives as mentioned in the narratives of kings who destroyed the structures themselves) : eg. Kashi temple(gyanvapi)
But whenever it comes to dissassociate Hindus from this land/culture , these hyenas jump at the opportunity as if we don’t understand the agenda behind these controversial statements.
Lmao vicious uncouth Abrahamics!
But
There were Egyptian temples over 3000 years ago. They were Greek temples over 2000 years ago, the temple of Solomon in Jerusalem existed over 2000 years ago. But apparently in India there was nothing.
Because we all know, Indian history did not exist before Buddha as per western historians.
If you look at the history of temples as actually told by the people that worship in temples, the murthy in many of the sacred pilgrimage sites existed pre Kaliyuga ( like in Srirangam, Bhadhrinath etc)
They wanted india to live like buddha and forget this money economy related things
No temple, even praying room found in Harrapan civ city as per archeological evidence.
@@adma7298the harrapan civilisation is 5000 years old. The oldest found shrine in India is 8000 years old, though not in the harrapan civilisation.
THAT'S HOW STUPID ANDH BHAKT MINDSET WORKS. BECAUSE EGYPTIAN TEMPLES EXISTED 3000 YEARS AGO, THAT MEANS OUR TEMPLES EXISTED 3000 YEARS AGO TOO!😂😂😂 IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THERE WAS ONLY BUDDHISM & JAINISM IN INDIA AT THAT TIME, BUT WE MUST CLAIM THAT OUR HINDU TEMPLES EXISTED BACK THEN!!
Even if there were not formal temple structures with their pointed peaks like today , there were definately places of worship. Those themselves count as temples.
Don't understand why all religious experts are so obsessed with HINDU GODS / TEMPLES & their culture & traditions. I have never seen any Hindu ( Sanatan Dharma) critically analyse other religions. Let faith be a personal matter of any individual. Say NO TO CONVERSIONS.
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
its weakness of modern hindu that we naively accept any so called religion. It should be us criticizing them and their new ideologies. Ask them what do they know about characteristics of god when they are just a couple thousand year old.
Lots of people done the same with Christianity and western culture as well. That is how they debunked Adam and Eve story and many other issues including assumption of flat earth et al.
Secular Hindus should just ask their new generation Muslims friends this one question!
Do they think that Khilji breaking Nalanda, Mughals breaking multiple temples, taliban breaking Bamiyan Buddhas was right because their prophet did the same with Pagan temple in Mecca?
Answer - Yes or no!
(Ask them this & You'll get reality check of the mentality of the future 'peaceful' 'tolerant' Muslims what will happen if Hindus let their guard down!!)
Bcz hindus r busy doing casteism.not that they r neutral or doing anything positive.they hv varna system & jati to maintain at social level.so they dont research on other religions.
Clearly this author did not exist before 2010 AD😅😅😅
Seems to be the case.
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
This is a grossly biased and misleading article which is perfectly in line with the policy of the channel which is to belittle Hindus and Hinduism in subtle, covert and overt ways and directly and indirectly.
Cry more. Your 19th century British era ' Hinduism' and 20th century Annie Besant copied from a Budhist text - Santhana Dharma. 😂😂😂😂
They want this country to become a ISLAMIC country and they know only a Hindu can stop these FAKE Islamic trr.
They question RAMAYANA but they never questioned existence of BUDDHA which was not known until ASHOKA period. 1ST text of BUDDHIST were written in and around 1st BC . Why did it take so long to write such vast knowledge about MYTHICAL BUDDHA?
And what is proof that BUDDHA really existed?
@@hawkingdawking4572 You cry chutiya
@@hawkingdawking4572 Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
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We are not interested. We are more interested in the "Hindu culture" which is a real copy cat. Those histories are already written in volumes. the so-called Hindu fake history is yet to be dismantled. 😁😁😁
The sites on which temples exist today existed prior to 500 AD. Garbagriha of Hindu temples were worshipped prior to 500 AD.
No archeological and historical written evidence found before fall Buddhism 500 C.E
Nobody believes your fake history anymore.
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
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@Artrader_em8ko
We are not interested. We are more interested in the "Hindu culture" which is a real copy cat. Those histories are already written in volumes. the so-called Hindu fake history is yet to be dismantled. 😁😁😁
The ancient Kāshi Viśhvanāth mandir floor plan shows 4 mandaps on 4 sides.
It's clever by half to restrict oneself to textual sources while ignoring archaeological ones. If you only relied on texts, this video is 100% right. But then again you're looking at Hindu dharm with a very narrow lens.
There was no vast use of stones during IVC then how was it possible to build a temple by rocks? How is it possible that temple had similar structure at the time of IVC as it was at the time of GUPTA EMPIRE or before.
It is possibility that they had temples which had similar to their house structure or may be they build it in their home seperately like we do today. Because many cultures of IVC are still being followed today eg. bangles, coloured shawl( recently found in RAKHIGARHI dates back to 6000bce), bangles in whole arms of both ,metals and sea shell bangles, thick necklace of metals , earthen pot in almost all rituals ( IVC used earthen pot for all purposes also for death rituals) ,
Not only that, he has cleverly snipped the context of these texts which have been mentioned just in the verse before and after. He is being an extremely deliberate scam artist.
It's exactly the archeological sources he is talking about
@@grapeshotthe's only restricted himself to textual sources. Stalupanishad and their carbon dating disprove him.
Can Patrick do a similar video on the origins of Churches and Mosques?
Yes
He has to pray in church and he wants his neck intact so I'm assuming no and no.
@@elborrador333 Church chopped off Sanatan heads in India😆😆😆😆
Ask patrick when was Jesus born and he will not have a clue.. hahahahaha
Chaganda Vrat fake history lessons.😂😂😂😂
1. Hindi was made as a new language by the missionaries in the oriental college of Calcutta by combining various northern dilects and heavy infusion of Sanskrit.
2. Hinduism was made up around 1812 as a 'religion'. The followers were a minority until the 1871 census and after that casteless, AthiShudras, Chandalas etc were declared overnight as Hindus without the converts themselves knowing that they were Hindus by then. Thus Hindus becomes majority.
3. Santhana Dharma was cooked up in the early 1900s by the foreigner Annie Besant by copying the word from a Budhist text.
4. New country called 'Bharat' is invented for the newly evolving British empire of the Indies or the Indian region.
Born in Sri Lanka, mostly studied in Western countries (started in Oxford) - appears to be in the mould of Max Mueller. Objective of this blog appears to be to reduce the importance of Ayodhya event. If you cannot stop it, by hook or crook, at least establish that it is not a big deal.
Wango Pongo Bingo
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
@@Artrader_em8ko those genocides were the holy work of jehovallah
Somnath’s first temple is said to have existed 2000 years ago. Is. In 649 AD, King Maitre of Vallabhini built a second temple in place of the temple and renovated it. Catholics not feeling comfortable?
Nope. You are Bengali.
Why are you getting upset with facts my dear?@@sauron2000000
Hahaha all the lies are finished for good. 😂😂😂😂😂
Calm down he is a CHRISTIAN and you know all leftist and slave have same agenda.
Bricks structure was found below somnath structure and there were more cultural layers and they are misleading by not saying anything in support of hindus. Except terracotta or bronze metal statue there was no rock structure found during IVC.
The temple architecture obviously did exist even before 500 AD, because its impossible that you will have such sophisticated architecture as a rock cut kailash nath temple just a couple of 100 years after 5th century. Obviously it didn't exist in stone, but did in much less conservable materials like teak and other kinds of wood.
That's why the initial rockcut temples mimic the wood cut architecture in india! Same is the case with earlier cities and palaces, all were built with wood, and thus anything rarely survives, other than the bases of these structures that were made with brick and stone!
Brahmins may or maynot have supported temple architecture initially. In any case there is no negative injunction on temples. Plus, the 6 Hindu philosophies of Hinduism other than the so called 'mainstream brahminism' , are much older, perhaps even older than buddha! You are totally focused on Brahmins...on the other hand, the entire upanishads moved very early from advaita to qualified Advaita, as it became popular among the masses. There must have been some place to keep the newly sagun deities.
Old man is a leftist and is proud of the shallow and narrow interpretations of history. The lack of proof of something doesn't mean that things weren't there, it may also mean that they may not have survived. The latest example is recently found Sinaulii wooden chariot, which is much older than 1500 bce. These historians seem like rattu totas, rather than real meaty researchers of their own subjects. They think of themselves as the vanguards of knowledge 😂😂
Proof for your claims? Sources? Peer reviewed research? Or just trust me bro?
@@abhilashrao5350 read bb lal
@@abhilashrao5350go do the research yourself. Lazy fellow!
@@abhilashrao5350Olivier (the presenter) himself has written papers on it.
@@abhilashrao5350You want validation from Academic gatekeepers than using your own rational mind😂 Typical of deracinated idiots who just use the trope of appeal to authority instead of using their own brain. Brain dead zombies.
Professor Patrick may be very knowledgeable in his field of study and may be renowned for study of Indian religions, however the timing of this article is really interesting. Also the content of the article insinuating that temples are NOT important for Hinduism. Guess Print thinks the readers can't see through their propaganda efforts to underplay/undermine a big event! Welcome more such efforts by The Print and the others. Looking forward to SH hosting a debate inviting like minded people like Ravish Kumar, The Wire team, BBC, Al Jazeera, Owaisi, Ashutosh etc., on Jan 22nd
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Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
Even Bhakti saints said temples aren't important, and temple is in ur heart. But Hindus don't read
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
As the inauguration comes closer ,the crying and coping of the leftist is getting INSANE.😂😂😂
No temple before 500AD. what are you smoking???let me know
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
Actually it's a bit misleading to say Buddhist temples existed prior to Hindu ones. Buddhists pantheon and Hindu pantheon were pretty much the same (Like Vishnu in Mahayana, Shiva in Tibetan). Buddhists did use temples to mediate. Brahmanical dissociation can be best seen as rivalry against Buddhists. Buddhists who preached sanyas & forgoing family life, left out social obligations (duties to your parents, funerals, new home, birth of a child etc.). Brahmin focus on these rituals reflects the needs of the society at that time. That's why Brahminical texts is focused on role of householder (Ghrihasta).
This is where Dharmashastra and sutras comes into the picture.
Also only half of the dharnashashtras have survived into contemporary age. So what we know is quite incomplete. Maybe there's a dharmashastra that specifically talks about Devalaka.
Cry more. Your 19th century British era ' Hinduism' and 20th century Annie Besant copied from a Budhist text - Santhana Dharma. 😂😂
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
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@Artrader_em8ko
We are not interested. We are more interested in the "Hindu culture" which is a real copy cat. Those histories are already written in volumes. the so-called Hindu fake history is yet to be dismantled. 😁😁😁
Very true, he must be another anti Hindu h ate mongering Bh eemta.
@@hawkingdawking4572 bh eemta, it's you who is crying, look at your rh etoric instead of countering logically. You can't handle truth. Hinduism was not created by the Bri tish, Hinduism believes in one God, this alone de bunks your lies. Annie beasant didn't copy anything from your vu lgar Fu ddhism
Is this a joke ?
Maybe😂😂😂😂
Joke like copy-cat Tindu culture.
Chaganda Vrat fake history lessons.😂😂😂😂
1. Hindi was made as a new language by the missionaries in the oriental college of Calcutta by combining various northern dilects and heavy infusion of Sanskrit.
2. Hinduism was made up around 1812 as a 'religion'. The followers were a minority until the 1871 census and after that casteless, AthiShudras, Chandalas etc were declared overnight as Hindus without the converts themselves knowing that they were Hindus by then. Thus Hindus becomes majority.
3. Santhana Dharma was cooked up in the early 1900s by the foreigner Annie Besant by copying the word from a Budhist text.
4. New country called 'Bharat' is invented for the newly evolving British empire of the Indies or the Indian region.
Yes... It is...😂
Or a shocker to Hindus who are hoodwinked by state propaganda on their state sponsored 'religion'.
This is agendra driven. Please do travel to Bihar and you will find a standing temple in kaimur as old as 100 BC popularly known as mundeshwari mandir. Please dont provide this agenda driven history and kindly research well.
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
There is a cabal of Indian "historians" from west who have this fetish to demean, diminish anything about Hindu religion or culture. BTW, Odissi dance had its origins way back 200 BC. What this oliver make out of it? Chew-tiia kahin a.
strong violance is only solution no one dare to offend muslims but politicians openly abuse hinduism
Even on the Ram Janm bhoomi site ,there were some structures which came out during excavation while constructing the base of Ram Temple,they were as old as 2nd century BC...Kindly watch Dr. Meenakshi Jain's interview....great going Print,you should call Romila Thapad and Irfan Habib ,if he is alive....kudos to you🙌🙌,and if you really want to represent opinions of both sides call someone from the right also..m
We know what Dr. Meenakshi Jain is😂😂😂😂
@@sauron2000000She is certainly not a brain dead, deracinated leftist zombie like you guy's😂
@thezoldics7648 Exactly. A saffron bootlicker.😆😆😆😆
@@sauron2000000 yes. she is dedicated historian. and she always comes with proof and not emotions.
@@SDFNI3894YR Sure mate. Proofs.😆😆😆😆
These kind of scholars are the ones who pour oil in the fire.
Why dont u go and reveal us the truth. If he is not saying in favour to u. Why don’t u become an archaeologist reveal us the facts and prove the whole world that hinduism and its gods really existed. Y to juggle in youtube comment section box
@@MGqueek Yeah right! We're gonna give up our careers and earnings just to satisfy your need to know 👏👏👏 good thinking. If you don't want to believe us, keep moving. We don't need your validation.
@@shanmukh747 LOL 😂 bcz u people know the truth that is why u people take excuses.
If u really hv pride in ur religion and gods basic proof has to be shown right.
Y to face the criticism if u show us basic archeological evidences we all will keep quiet 🤫.
So that u people can live peacefully without facing the music.
Still how many years you people lie and live like this.
Dont u feel any urge to end such nonsense.
India is ruling by hindus currently why cant u people spend money and search for ur RAMAYANA MAHABARATH DWARAKA ETC stories. And show to the world and prove them wrong.
Instead of building a ayodya temple for story characters and worshipping them 😂🤭.
Whole world looks with pity at HINDUS for ur own CONFUSION among ur selves who is GOD.
Very sad lives.
I wish at someday you people will definitely find out the STORY CHARACTERS on earth 😂😂😂😂😂😂.
And REST IN PEACE 😌
All the best.
@@shanmukh747 if u cant go and find it better to keep your mouth shut 🤐 and listen to him.
Blaming & excuses and lying are in ur BLOODLINE from the origin.
HINDUISM killed buddhists and act like innocents.
ON BUDDHIST MONASTERIES u built TEMPLES and claim them as your own shame on you. 😡😡😡
@@shanmukh747 without a single proof how shamelessly u come and comment here and talk about BELIEF ,VALIDATIONS.
U should be in a position to PROVE it minimum atleast
Do not spread lies.
The epic "Mahabharatha" was more than 5000 years old. It is not mythology as described by the western historians. It is History. It is called "Ithihasa" in Sanskrit, meaning history.
It written in Mahabhratha that Arjuna, during his Teerthayatra visited Purushothama kshetra(PURI) on the east coast and Gokarna kshetra on west coast.
Chaganda Vrat fake history lessons.😂😂
1. Hindi was made as a new language by the missionaries in the oriental college of Calcutta by combining various northern dilects and heavy infusion of Sanskrit.
2. Hinduism was made up around 1812 as a 'religion'. The followers were a minority until the 1871 census and after that casteless, AthiShudras, Chandalas etc were declared overnight as Hindus without the converts themselves knowing that they were Hindus by then. Thus Hindus becomes majority.
3. Santhana Dharma was cooked up in the early 1900s by the foreigner Annie Besant by copying the word from a Budhist text.
4. New country called 'Bharat' is invented for the newly evolving British empire of the Indies or the Indian region.
Print needs some traffic ... hence, such baseless meaningless presentations 😊
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
These is a pseudo,,promoted by PRINT
Lets call this liar :
500 AD is middle age 4th ,5th 6th century( 1600 years ) .
Harappan site 3500- 1700 AD roughly 5500 old with coins of lord Shiva . They may not be having Temples of big rocks but ancient sites have discovered sites of worship with mud and mudbricks .Saying their was no temple before 500 AD is typical to India Today which has been propagating J!had against Hindus since its existence .
Why would he do that? Is that his speciality?
@@bookno11lr25Harappan sites have no large structure like temples. It was more of an industrial civilisation. And that "Shiva" btw, is just a nickname. No-one knows who that is, as Harappan script isnt deciphered yet.
Plz don't spread useless fake news.
@@bookno11lr25 This is what he said that Hindu traditions existed in one form or the other since 1000 years but temples came into existence much later. Element’s of nature which played a dominant role in the life of people then were worshipped for it was an unexplained phenomena back then. It was these elements that was worshipped not the gods that we see now. So what he said does makes sense.
Patrick Olivelle is an Indologist.[1][2] A philologist and scholar of Sanskrit Literature whose work has focused on asceticism, renunciation and the dharma, Olivelle has been Professor of Sanskrit and Indian Religions in the Department of Asian Studies at the University of Texas at Austin since 1991.[
This man first needs to know why temples were Existsed... Not for a prayer only it was gurukul also and bank as well...
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
Christianity did not exist at this time too.
Chaganda Vrat fake history lessons.😂😂😂😂
1. Hindi was made as a new language by the missionaries in the oriental college of Calcutta by combining various northern dilects and heavy infusion of Sanskrit.
2. Hinduism was made up around 1812 as a 'religion'. The followers were a minority until the 1871 census and after that casteless, AthiShudras, Chandalas etc were declared overnight as Hindus without the converts themselves knowing that they were Hindus by then. Thus Hindus becomes majority.
3. Santhana Dharma was cooked up in the early 1900s by the foreigner Annie Besant by copying the word from a Budhist text.
4. New country called 'Bharat' is invented for the newly evolving British empire of the Indies or the Indian region.
@@hawkingdawking4572 lagta hai mardassa ke maulvi ke pas naya content aya hai tabhi hag ra hai😂😂😂
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P!ggy Shuudra, Madrassa is the word for school in Arabic. You never had education or school until the foreigners gave you knowledge. You can't even write in English. All you have is a Latinised version of the creole- Hindi.
Why don't we leave the debate of existence of mandir/ temple architecture to Archeologists. Historians are known to not understand scientific process of archelogy.
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
The ancient temple complex discovered in Nagari (Chittorgarh, Rajasthan) - about 500 kilometers to the west of Vidisha, has a sub-surface structure nearly identical to that of the Besnagar temple. The structure is also associated to the cult of Vāsudeva and Saṃkarṣaṇa, and dated to the 1st century BC
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
he is talking about structural temples we find in archeological evidence...
@@grapeshottStructural temples existed. Agama shastras describe various parts of the temple and were written between 1100 BCE and 1 BCE. Temple architecture is intricately described in aagamas. Hindu temples must adhere to them without exception.
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
@@raghurao9332 Don't listen to RSS affiliated historians, bcoz they have an ideological project now a days. Really structural temples don't exist before Guptas. Any standard historian will tell you. Only Buddhist stupas existed. And textual sources are always doubtful because they as a living tradition got revised regularly over centuries
Possibly the oldest Hindu temples in South East Asia dates back to 2nd century BCE from the Funan site of Oc Eo in the Mekong Delta. They were probably dedicated to a sun god, Shiva and Vishnu. The temple were constructed using granite blocks and bricks, one with a small stepped pond
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
Oldest Hindu temples are atleast 15,000 yrs old and they are in South India
This is the reason i stoped paying to print. I also urge all other hindus to stop paying a propaganda channel.
Even the hindu temples in indonesia are 1000 years old.🇮🇩
Mundeshwari temple 625 BC …check it out.. many more
Do not dismiss a person just because his name is not hindu, or because his ideas do not match our ideas. This person has made a serious study of our history and should be respected for that.
What about brihadlingeshwara temple of tanjavoor? It has completed 1000 years recently.
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
This whole argument is based on the fact that Indians were not worshipping any gods before the Bhakti movement. What nonsense! Did the Bhakti movement sprung out of thin air?
Why not a presentation of the Ram Mandir by Romila thapar.?
It is figment of imagination that Hindu temples did not exist prior to 500 ACE. There is Archeological evidence to show they had existed even in 300 BCE. During the Shung period (185-73 BCE) Vasudev (Krishna) temples were built. The Heliodorus pillar near Vidisha (M.P) is now freestanding but it was erected by the Greek ambassador to the court of King Bhagbhadra of Shung dynasty in 113 BCE and stood at the entrance of a Vasudev temple. Twenty years later King Bhagvat of the same dynasty built another 'uttam' (superlative) Vasudev temple in the neighbourhood. He also erected a pillar which is now fragmented. Unfortunately none of these temples have survived. But the inscriptions on the pillars are informative.
Cry more. Your 19th century British era ' Hinduism' and 20th century Annie Besant copied from a Budhist text - Santhana Dharma. 😂😂😂😂
copy and paste- sign of the lazy troll@@hawkingdawking4572
@@hawkingdawking4572 Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
Thank you❤
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
Hinduism always feels new and fresh to historians because it always kept evolving as per the needs of the society and people.
the best comment so far,
Yes, it's people pleasing. Hence, lacks integrity.
@@xr55 more than integrity, it lacks a clear motive and definition
gobar mind this is for you,without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
I guess print should not support such researches without pre check
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
Absence of evidence in not evidence of absence - a simple logic. It shows bias if this is overlooked and a conclusion is hastily drawn
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
Didn't explain why after 500 AD big temples start appearing. That woud have completed the discussion
what does he even know of sanatan culture ...he is one of those who belive in aryan invansion theory
But heliodorus pillar of ancient vasudeva temple in vidisha belongs to 113 BCE isn't it?
The list of rulers and the lengths of the lengths of their reigns are preserved in ancient works. Pushyamitra the founder of the dynasty assumed power c185 BCE. The inscription on the Heliodorus pillar records that it was built during the 14th regnal year of King Bhagbhadra, the fifth ruler of the Shung dynasty. It corresponds to 113 BCE. The pillar was erected by the Greek ambassador in his court, who had converted to Bhagvatism (Vaishnavism). The pillar was built at the entrance of an existing Vasudev temple. Twenty years later King Bhagwat Shung built another Vasudev temple in the neighborhood and erected a pillar at the entrance. It was during his 12th regnal year. The Heliodorus pillar was destroyed but the fragments were joined and it was re-erected and stands in Besnagar near Vidisha. The Bhagwat pillar is found in fragments but the inscriptions are intact.
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How about talking of Hindu Temples which were built on pre existing Jain and Buddhist worship places
All of you against this guy, mostly unaware of the scriptures he named. If you dont have them let it be. atleast, if you have valmiki ramayan or vyas mahabharat read it and find one sloka where a temple was mentioned. this guy is saying the truth and personally understood this a year ago when i started reading vedas and other old scriptures.
You think that hinduism = vedas or scriptures? How you would equate the bhakti sect of hinduism or yoga or patanjali or vipashana as related with vedas? Can you explain?
@@nacpatil This will be too long to answer as you have mentioned various sect and literature of those sects. I will try my best to answer it in short. Your question though is not entirely related with my response and the topic of the video.
The sects you have mentioned are mostly unorganished in nature. I am by born Brahmin_Vaishnava. hence for me bhakti sect is not something new. I have the oppurtunity to endulge in multiple Vaishnava literature by born for which i am really gratefull to my birth. Once has to understand the diorama of various sects and the origin of the concept of sect wise gods or godesses. My mother is from a Brahmin_Shakta/shakti traditional family which gave me the concept of Shakta or Shakti. one thing I would like to emphasize that dividing the vedic religion in various sect made us week over the time and disturbed the power balance among societies exsisted in this country. choice of options is good but to many options made people confused over the time.
The age we are living today is "Puranic Age". Because we worship dieties those are explored via various purans. Now with every puran a Gita existed. few gitas are independent as well but most of it either a part of a Puran or Mahabharat. Now coming to your point, Without a Scripture a thought or an idea cannot be conveyed. So all the sects in India is based on some kind of scripture. no sects can exsist or survive without a scripture. Even the Advaita sect which is all about a "Single origin point theory", required the scriptures to express itself and becomes Daitwa. so yes scriptures are the fundamentals for any sect or religion to exist.
Now your point, Vedas=scriputes as you said ,then yes it is. The entire shastra is divided into Shruti and Smiriti. however in today's time we have to understand by reading it only as no other Rishis exsist in this country to give us true understanding of the scriptures. And "Hindu" religion of today is all about Puranas. we worship ram,hanuman,ganesh,karthik,krishna and all other kinds of gods are all from Purans,Mahabharat,Ramayan and various Gitas and Agam shastras.
we do not worship Indra,varun,shaptarishi,aswini kumars,agni,brahma etc. so the "Hindu" religion of today is nothing like as per the Vedas. However if we discard the Vedas then the fundamental of hindusim is gone and it will just be like muslim and christian religion. When we take pride saying our religion is oldest and shanatan in the world it is not because of some Bhakti sect book, Shaiva sect book or patanjali yoga book , it is because of the Vedas that the world considers us to be oldest and shanatan religion. nothing in "hinduism" is older than Vedas. though calling vedas, "hindu" is wrong. because the term should be Vaidic religion. the term "hindu" was coined much later in history and most importantly not by indians. Hinduism in itself now a days a collective religion because of the sects. Now suppose we destroy the vedas, what are we left with in Hinduism in modern times? nothing, but a bunch of sects those which are newer than Christian or muslim religion. these sects those which are trying to make us Abrahamic in nature is going against the fundamental of vedas. where all are collectively one for a better existence in the world.
Now, when you read 4 Vedas and three divisons of each vedas and then 6 Vedangas (not the vedanta) and all 4 parts of Kalpasutras (part of vedangas) of each vedas (as per availbility) you will gradually understand that the source of what the sects do is hidden in those texts. You just get elaboration on each when you dive into a particular sect. The origin of Vedas and Most the Vedangas are unknown but the age of each text is much older than every other sect you named. you can refer to Google Scholar or Academia website to search for various research papers on these. I will not elaborate how the ageing of text or scriptures are done. because it is too long to explore via this comment.
When you refer to Yoga or Patanjali you must understand or observe or learn that when a priest do a Puja or havan at your home or any temple is suppose to do Pranayam and use various Mudras to execute certain rituals. If the priest does not do it than it is ignorance only or a short cut puja or havan you can say. The point is, the sect you name today is already a part of the process which was originated long time back before the sect in itself.
in case of Patanjali, what he did is collected all and wrote it and organised the sutras. he never said he created the formulas he just organised it by collection. The same goes for Vyash rishi aswell , where he collected and organished the Vedas. Vedangas has own rishis for each topic.
the concept of Vipasana is not Hinduism. it is a Buddisht concept developed much much later than vedas. you need to know that there was time in India when "hinduism" was marginalised. beacuse of the sects only everybody wanted to move way from it. too muvh biased rules and wrong things started to incorporate in the name of religion. Buddhism was much easy amd clutter free that time and dominated the entire India for great number of years. vipasana was later came under the concept of hinduism after Adi Shankaracharya eliminated buddhism from India and marginalised it in India, single handedly. various other concepts came to hinduism from buddist after buddhism started to fadeway from india. The age of the Vigyan Bhairav tantra, Brihad Tantrasara, Gerhanda samhita, gorakhnath came into mainstream after Buddhism was marginalised in India.
most of these concepts discussed is similar to Mahayana, vajrayana sect of buddhism. it is a open debate that the agam and tantra is borrowed from Tibbet and part of various sects of Buddhism. No conclusion can be done on that. India is a country of "Gurus". in each traffic turn you will find a guru today and all these "gurus" of India preach what is easy to gulp and perform. this is a concept of business. where one sell according to need. people today need to do a lot of things to gain materalistic life hence they find time is short so they need "cliff note" version of religion. So these gurus sell them hatha yoga and bakti because these are easy to sell and one can twist and turn the theories according to the need of the buyer or the shisya.
You will never see any Guru doing a conference or sabha on Vedas or Vedangas. they will do sabha or conference on Bhakti and yoga. even in yoga they will not sell you the full package. what is the full package? it is Rajayoga. they will sell you hatha yoga which is a part of Rajayoga only, because they know in today's life no one will buy Rajayoga. coming to the poing this Gurus entice buyers saying the yoga scriptures and bhakti scriptures are older than Vedas. they will quote some absurd number of years without understanding how time is calculated. Just asked them to decode any book of Shulba Sutras in sanskrit, you will see how these modern age enlightened gurus endup in ICUs. reading panchasutras of barahmihir will put them to coma.
So you speaking various sects and comparing the age of it with the age of vedas is just a reflection of these so called guru infulence on society of hindus and that is also by social networking. if we don't read the fundamentals we will never reach the boundry. why they dont sell you Barahmihir, Shulba sutra and old vedas? because those are tough to comprehend and not easy to manupulate. you need a high degree of understanding and once who reach that, will not say to you what he understood, but will ask you to read it by your self. once you fail then only they will interfare. Autodiadict was the society of Vedic hindus. You dont need a guru for your entire life you just need an acharya or teacher who will help you read. but that is you who needs to understand. The concept of Guru is also new and post vedic concept. It was all about Acharyas earlier. when a person goes to acharyas house and study the scriptures as per his/her varna requirements. we is modern times created the concept of "gurukul". it is a new thing to vedic hinduism just life toothbrush coming to India during british raj.
I doubt how many sects books you have read or which sect you follow. but my suggestion would be to open up and read all the fundament scriptures no matter which sect you are. Please don't read any scripture translation or printed copy which is written or printed in modern times. Try to collect books those which are published at least 100 years back around 1900 to 1940s. you may consider some from 1960s but not newer than that. Because the generation post independence of India is useless or garbage in terms of scriptures translation and print publication quality.
I tried my best to keep it short as much as possible.
Please Note: whatever sects you have mentioned in the question or comment and I have mentioned here in my reply, I have read atleast 6 scriptures on each sect and whatever scripture I have mentioned here I read it all, in addition to the Vedas and Vedangas, multiple gitas and few upanishads.
I previously worked in IT industry for long and left it to explore spirituality only. I have no regrets and only happiness.
I said about myself not to influence you, however to explore the possibility that we can all be in peace with the situation without judgeing it right or wrong.
@@goutam9945 "if we don't read the fundamentals we will never reach the boundry. why they dont sell you Barahmihir, Shulba sutra and old vedas? because those are tough to comprehend and not easy to manupulate":
I dont think it gives anything extraordinary than what Patanjali or Buddha said or various bhakti sects. The core of hinuism similar to all eastern spirituality and that was to look inward for realization. I dont think we need vedas who in my opinion are overhyped. They are similar to notes written and copied 100 times to the extent that even mistakes get solidified makiing in incomprehensible. Human mind naturally wants to decode the glorified vedas leading to this delusion that there is some holy grail!
Till today I never got any insight from so called veda experts that I couldnt find somewhere else. In fact I always felt that they rather waste time in trying to find somethign in vedas and actually find nothing other than an illusion!
@@goutam9945 "if we don't read the fundamentals we will never reach the boundry. why they dont sell you Barahmihir, Shulba sutra and old vedas? because those are tough to comprehend and not easy to manupulate."
Till today no vedas expert gave me anything more than what one cant find outside. Sorry I dont believe that vedas are extraordinary. Or atleast I have seen no proof of it whatsoever.
Writing again because last reply disappeared.
@@nacpatilwe are now way above the discussion of the actual topic of this video and now moving towards hate and agony.
This video presented something for which I wrote a comment as an advise. you asked few vast questions and I tried to answer it as short as possible to keep within the boundry of a "comment".
Being a Brahmin it will be uncharacteristic for me to ignite "shadripu" within you. The more I say it will be more of provocation towards "shadripu" within you. which I will not do, no matter what. Spirituallity is not something to debate but it is a leap of faith towards an unidentified boundry. Being a brahmin it will be my only advice towards you to live within "sat-chit-aanand" and do "seva" for betterment of others. Namaskar.
My grandfather and my father in law certainly has more knowledge
Then milk them😂😂😂😂
Chaganda Vrat fake history lessons.😂😂😂😂
1. Hindi was made as a new language by the missionaries in the oriental college of Calcutta by combining various northern dilects and heavy infusion of Sanskrit.
2. Hinduism was made up around 1812 as a 'religion'. The followers were a minority until the 1871 census and after that casteless, AthiShudras, Chandalas etc were declared overnight as Hindus without the converts themselves knowing that they were Hindus by then. Thus Hindus becomes majority.
3. Santhana Dharma was cooked up in the early 1900s by the foreigner Annie Besant by copying the word from a Budhist text.
4. New country called 'Bharat' is invented for the newly evolving British empire of the Indies or the Indian region.
A number of ancient Indian texts suggest the prevalence of murtis, temples and shrines in Indian subcontinent for thousands of years. For example, the temples of the Koshala kingdom are mentioned in the Valmiki Ramayana(various recent scholars' estimates for the earliest stage of the text range from the 7th to 4th centuries BCE, with later stages extending up to the 3rd century CE) The 5th century BCE text, Astadhyayi, mentions male deity arcas or murtis of Agni, Indra, Varuna, Rudra, Mrda, Pusa, Surya, and Soma being worshipped, as well as the worship of arcas of female goddesses such as Indrani, Varunani, Usa, Bhavani, Prthivi and Vrsakapayi.
The 2nd century BCE "Mahabhasya" of Patanjali extensively describes temples of Dhanapati (deity of wealth and finance, Kubera), as well as temples of Rama and Kesava, wherein the worship included dance, music and extensive rituals. The Mahabhasya also describes the rituals for Krsna, Visnu and Siva. An image recovered from Mathura in north India has been dated to the 2nd century BCE.Kautilya's Arthashastra from 4th century BCE describes a city of temples, each enshrining various Vedic and Puranic deities.
All three of these sources have common names, describe common rituals, symbolism and significance possibly suggesting that the idea of murtis, temples and shrines passed from one generation to next, in ancient India, at least from the 4th century BCE.The oldest temples, suggest scholars, were built of brick and wood. Stone became the preferred material of construction late
Oldest Indian temples are atleast 15,000 yrs old.
relax guys. this is coping mechanism.
That’s not factually true. Patanjali’s Mahabhasya dated roughly in the 2nd century BCE mentions temples.
If the speaker means temples with Nagara style architecture that we see in North India these days, he is right. But to say there were no temples until 500 CE is inaccurate.
You have based most of your arguments only on Dharmashastras. Some counter arguments:
Literary sources -
1) The temples of the Koshala kingdom are mentioned in the Valmiki Ramayana (various recent scholars' estimates for the earliest stage of the text range from the 7th to 4th centuries BCE, with later stages extending up to the 3rd century CE). The exact verse is Verse 8 of Chapter-50 of Ayodhya Kanda. The exact words used are chaitya and yupas. Some may argue that Chaityas are associated with Buddhist architecture. But why would a Hindu text use this word? Perhaps general populace didn't see much difference between ancient Indic religions.
2) The 2nd century BCE "Mahabhasya" of Patanjali extensively describes temples of Dhanapati (deity of wealth and finance, Kubera), as well as temples of Rama and Kesava, wherein the worship included dance, music and extensive rituals.
3) Kautilya's Arthashastra from 4th century BCE describes a city of temples, each enshrining various Vedic and Puranic deities.
All three of these sources have common names, describe common rituals, symbolism and significance possibly suggesting that the idea of murtis, temples and shrines passed from one generation to next, in ancient India, at least from the 4th century BCE.
Archaeological sources-
1) In Besnagar (3rd-2nd century BCE), the temple structures have been found in conjonction with the Heliodorus pillar dedicated to Vāsudeva. The archaeologists found an ancient elliptical foundation, extensive floor and plinth produced from burnt bricks. Further, the foundations for all the major components of a Hindu temple - garbhagriha (sanctum), pradakshinapatha (circumambulation passage), antarala (antechamber next to sanctum) and mandapa (gathering hall) - were found.
2) The ancient temple complex discovered in Nagari (Chittorgarh, Rajasthan) - about 500 kilometers to the west of Vidisha, has a sub-surface structure nearly identical to that of the Besnagar temple. The structure is also associated to the cult of Vāsudeva (present day Krishna) and Saṃkarṣaṇa (present day Balrama), and dated to the 1st century BCE.
No doubt that present day Hinduism is different from medieval Hinduism, which is different from classical Vedic Hinduism. No doubt the stone temple architecture started flourishing from the Gupta period onwards. Please note I am not a scholar. I am just presenting information which I came across.
I am not doubting the gentlemen talking here, but why can't he reference the exact Sanskrit slokas alluding to these facts, for example, ".. low prestige of the temples is indicated by vishnu smrithi where it says, recitation must not be carried within a temple... ", what page? what section? what verse?
The low prestige of the temple is indicated by the Vishnu Smriti (30.15) when it says that Vedic recitation should not be carried out “in a temple, in a cemetery, at a crossroads, or on a road.”
Heard of Ankorwat is a Vishnu temple built by Surya Varman on Cambodia which was a temple city in 1100 CE so there goes that argument
The Agamas refrance temple construction
Patanjili described a hindu temple in the 2ND century BCE in his mahabhasya. This is partisan history.
With each passing day my faith in The Print as Non biased media house is being shattered.
Is this for real..? Father forgive him for he knows not what he is doing
Whose father?
Hehehehe😂😂😂😂
Cry more. Your 19th century British era ' Hinduism' and 20th century Annie Besant copied from a Budhist text - Santhana Dharma. 😂😂😂😂
There is no Archeological evidence of Alexander as well, its very surprising that the quote unquote objective , unbiased journalism torch bearers subtly inject narratives which seems true with cursory research. I am no BHakt, but when every print allows these people with their narrative, it should invite people like Dr. Meenakshi Jain to rebutt him. Mr. Gupta, we expect objective journalism from your team. Not coconut ones.
FYI he is not Indian he is Sri Lankan!
Very nice to hear our history from historian....❤
Perur Patteeswarar Temple, CBE built by karikala.According to Nilakanta Sastri Karikala reigned in 190 CE. A famous text named Perur Puranam was composed by Kachiyappa Munivar in Tamil on the origin of the temple
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
I am a Muslim from Pakistan. We know Hindu temples existed since 5000 years and Hindu sailors traveled to Arabia for trade and meeting with Prophet Muhammad. Mandirs should be protected at any cost , rebuilt and cherished as part of our glorious past.
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Fake news. In Karnataka itself, there are temples archeologically dated to 300AD, an example being the Pranaveshwara temple in Talagunda. The Kadamba Mayuravarma's inscription in front of the temple belongs to his rule that commenced in AD 345. Temple already existed then, built by Shatavahanas. Remains of brick temples of Shathavahana's who ruled from 30BCE till 340AD are found in Aihole etc. Who are you telling this cock and bull story that there was no temple before 500AD? This is sinister agenda driven fake journalism by Print.
Thought provoking🧐 I watched Chankya serial by Dwiwedi but there was no mention of a temple there too.
Goutham buddha of 6th century BC opposed vedas and went to bodh gaya to meditate and preach Buddhism - temples of Buddhism came up since then; similarly jain temples; Hinduism much pre dated - foolish western Christian and muslim scholars show their ignorance all the time.
Opposed vedas? who told you that? hahahaha. Buddha's teachings are an extension of Upanishads and Vedas. Every Hindu saint has over the millennia improved upon the knowledge that the Vedas holds, and so did Buddha.
Theres no evidence of veda..its all cock n bull stort
Ya I am not swayed. Temples get renovated, rebuilt, sometimes even destroyed doesn't mean they were never there earlier.
What about jyotirlinga temples
This is a cool segment, very informative. More of this please
He is lying, it's not informative at all.
No matter when temples began, they are not the imagination of the Modi Govt. Hindus have faith in temples. Shekhar Gupta and his organization are making a mockery of Hindu beliefs, by trying to cast doubt on faith. I remember a NPR (USA) interviewer asking an Indian: Why do you beleive Ram was born here? His answer was: "Why do you believe Mary was a Virgin". (I'm paraphrasing). This may be good information, but in today's context, it is malicious timing. Let people have Faith, even if Virginal, untainted by doubt. Don't spoil it for them. If Logic knew everything, God is unnecessary. But Logic don't know nothing. I ain't good enough, let alone AI.
Of course only ThePrint would interview a person like this at this point of time.
The rock-cut Udayagiri Caves (401 CE) are among the most important early sites, built with royal sponsorship, recorded by inscriptions, and with impressive sculpture - Now this 400 AD not 500 AD
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
We have written evidence from the Sangam poets, the Alwars and Nayanmars, that temples existed atleast from 3rd Century all over Bharat. We have clear descriptions of buildings and vigrahas. This buffoon is just displaying his ignorance.
Such people show up only get publicity during these times.
He is totally right, idol worship was not sanatan sanskriti. It came from mahayaan sects of buddhism
The construction of Angkor Wat took place over 28 years from 1122 to 1150 CE so please stop this nonsense
This man says no temple before 500 AD, and AW is after 500 AD. You have no point.
Who is Patrick Oilvelle? He looks Indian. Speaks strange English.
This theory has been propogated by Bhuddhists actively supported and aided by colonial "scholars".
Avvayar is a sanga period (supposed to be 3rd Centrury BC) has invoked don't stay in a place or village that does not have a temple.
The interesting thing is why The Print is coming up with a series of such videos now?
Are they part of a toolkit to take away the sheen of Ayodhya Pran Pratishta?
Yes new toolkit gang saar
He is Sri Lankan
Bhura angrez
As per the left historians and left media
There was no Hinduism
No culture
No civilization in bharat
Everything was brought by the British and the Mughals
😂😂😂
The speaker just said that there was no evidence of temples before a certain time. It is an interesting thought. It was not meant to be an insult. I don't see a reason for the mass outrage that this is creating, with the predictable shades thrown at his religion. Trust me, this is not a conspiracy.
Lets debate on the existence of Jesus as a fictitious character born out of imagination. When was he born? A good place to start. This is fairly new when compared to Hinduism, so facts should be more readily available. I am sure you are not taking this as an insult.
@@PalashBagchi Just for the record - and since it's become so important these days - I'm a Hindu.
Let's say there were indeed no temples before a certain time and worship did indeed reside within peoples' homes. How does it matter? Does it make Hinduism somehow inferior? Does it make its teachings less relevant? Does it make the Upanishands less glorious? The short answer: no.
You people need to get a life instead of tilting at windmills. Bye.
Now you are upset. I just stated facts about Christianity. You are a sore loser, whatever be your religion. @@NimbusCumulo
Lol, speaker is not here to share an interesting thought.
We all have that. One other interesting thought is that moon is made of cheese.
He is here to share facts. Sharing his opinion that seems ridiculous, at the time when the platform at which he is sharing is criticising Ram Mandir, shows ulterior motive
Your attempt at Gaslighting people who are pointing that shows why people like you who are anti Hindu allowed historians like Romilla Thapar to write NCERT books, whose claims were dismissed by SC. Who said that Yudhisthira was inspired by Ashoka.
Why are you so hurt at people criticising this man? That is what freedom of speech and academic enquiry is for
Cannot believe this guy as jesus visited puri temple which is clearly 2000 years back
No need for foreigners to tell us about our own history! Especially this guy.
I fail to understand the reason for this article. What has the antiquity of temples has to do with present? Does any scripture forbids building large temples?
It is for the followers to decide.
No wonder Print published it and the Historian's name says it all.
Archeological excavations of Katra Keshavdeva had yielded Ogee arches and balconies containing human figures, dated to 2nd century BCE. A clear indication of a existing temple at the site.
In the Astadhyayi (around the 4th century BCE), Panini gives names of Vedic deities, such as Agni, Indra, Varuna, Bhava, Sarva, Rudra, Mrda, Aryama, Tvasta, Súrya, Sóma, Indrani, Varunáni, Agnayi, Usha, Prthivi etc, who were worshipped. Bhakti or theistic form of devotion was present in Panini’s time, which is clear by his reference to devotion to Vasudeva and Arjuna, while names like Varunadatta and Aryamadatta indicate sons were named after gods like Varuna and Aryamá, to show devotion. Panini also mentioned the use of images for worship (arcas), which indicate the existence of shrines where these arcas were worshipped.
Patanjali’s Mahabhasya (2nd century BCE), which is a detailed commentary on Panini’s work, mentions the worship of Vasudeva-Krishna as a deity; and specifically mentions temples of Dhanapati (Kubera), Rama (Balarama), and Kesava (Vasudeva), where worship would occur with various elaborate rituals, accompanied by music and dance. From around the same time, there have been found murtis of Kupiro yakho (Kubera yaksa) from Bharhut, and of Balarama from Mathura. A murti with the inscription of four-armed Vasudeva-Visnu carrying gada and chakra in his upper hand and holding a sankha (broken) in the lower hand, from Malhar (Bilaspur in Madhya Pradesh), is dated to the 2nd century BCE. These murtis would all be worshipped in temples of their own.
Kautilya’s Arthasastra refers to various temples within a fortified city that enshrined Shiva, Vaisravana, Asvinikumãras, Sri (Laksmi), and Madeira (a fertility goddess associated with the sect of Mother Goddess). The Arthasastra mentions images of Aparajita (Durgã), Apratihata (Visnu), and Jayanta (Kumãra), which were worshipped by King Bhagabhadra (131 BCE, the fifth Sunga ruler); and Vaishnava shrines erected by Gautamiputra Bhagavata, the ninth Sunga ruler, in his 12th year.
Three inscriptions from Nagar (Chittorgarh, Rajasthan), refer to the construction of a stone wall that enclosed a place for worship of Sankarsana and Väsudēva by King Sarvatata of the Kanva dynasty (250-300 BCE). The Nanaghat (Pune) inscription of Naganika of the 1st century BCE refers to Vedic sacrifices by the Satavahana royal family and starts with homages to divinities such as Dharma, Indra, Sankarsana-Vasudeva, Chandra-Surya, and the Lokapalas (Yama, Varuna, Kubera, and Vásava). An inscription from Mora (Mathura) during the reign of Mahaksatrapa Sodasa (10-25 CE) records the installation of murtis of the five Vrsni heroes in a stone temple. Another Mathura inscription of the same time, found engraved on a doorjamb, records the construction of a temple with torana and vedika for Vasudeva.
Anyone who read even basic history will concur with Dr ollivele..... It's from the early medieval period onwards(700 CE),that we begin finding large temples being built.....prior to this the Indian landscape was dotted by Buddhist stupas and other roadside shrines....
The recent dating of Mundeshwari Temple by the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) anyway dates the temple structures to be around 108 AD, so this 500 AD timeline is anyway bogus...🤣 It is being brought up right now because "Coupta" needs masala for his new portal, and Ram Temple is the hot topic. So better create a controversy to drive viewership. You see he balances every side. He is making video accusing congress of not taking part in Ram Temple pran pratistha, on the other hand he has also put out this video to discredit the importance of temple in Hinduism using a distortian with clear bias against hindus.
The Vedas are the path, and the Agamas are the horse, agamas cover temple construction and consecration in detail, there is no specific reason for the dharmashastras to cover it. Vedas are also called Nigama, hence Agama and Nigama are highly complementary.
Hope Historian Patrick can also make a history video on the ethnic cleansing of native Americans, Canadians, Australians etc in the name of the church! it’s heartbreaking to find skeletons of children in the premises of Canadian churches even today. We appreciate the pope for extending apology for what had happened. This history should be taught to Indians as well by Historians like Patrick. 🙏
You can't hide the truth forever.. India.
Considerable evidence not only Indian but even foreign has been willfully ignored to make this hypothesis.
Even then Islam is much after 500 AD but their mosques are treated so well?
ThePrint is in full on liberandu mode since last few days. Getting to interview all anti-hindu and anti-bharath jokers.
I am not a history expert. Just an average Indian watching this and wondering...While our very old civilization travelled through Harappan script, Sanskrit, Old Tamil, Pali, Brahmi, Kharoshti, Farsi, Hindi-Urdu...our "noted" historians unfortunately can read only one language. English. With absolutely no knowledge of primary sources, always relying on writings of those, who still largely are of views that idolatry is a very Satanic something and we need to be "saved".
I thought the University of Texas had higher standards in faculty appointments. I was obviously wrong
Archeologist are right guys to talk on this topic not historians..they should do their job and not talk on subjects they are not experts on..
This video will sure stir up some controversy, but i truly wish we could get a view back in time like atleast something like a satellite image, many myths and new history would have been learnt. Would be glorious to look at all the doings of man and creatures.
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
There is a concept of religion, Vedas, in India in the time travellers India, but there are no temples. At the same time, time traveller travelled to Middle East and Europe, where there is a concept of religion, the books and also places of worship. Beauty of Hipocrisy. Everything related to religion is in India but no temples (places of worship), no ashrams nothing like that. Where is the consistency?
With a lot of technological and scientific advancement such as carbon dating etc ,it is not difficult in our times to precisely date structures,rocks etc . Instead of beating bush, we should get all structures tested so that we can find out what truth is.
But as far as my observation shows all our rishis,seers,spiritual and intellectual persons used to meditate under a tree or cave or on a riverside as we can know from our scriptures and documents. We cannot find any mention of temples or tirthas in Mahabharata or even in Ramayana nor is there any mention of a temple there. Most of the activities like education and religious/philosophical debates centred around ashrams.
That is the reason why no mention of structures could be found during the life time of the Buddha and Mahavir. They were not by Buddha or Mahavir,but by their disciples. They cropped up much later their death.
It is well known that during Upanishadic period, roaming mendicants were common ,who used to reside in forests. Both Buddha and Mahavir and other persons were the products of that time. So claims of Buddhists contradicts Buddha's teachings.
Nope mirth is and temples were mentioned several times
A number of ancient Indian texts suggest the prevalence of murtis, temples and shrines in Indian subcontinent for thousands of years. For example, the temples of the Koshala kingdom are mentioned in the Valmiki Ramayana(various recent scholars' estimates for the earliest stage of the text range from the 7th to 4th centuries BCE, with later stages extending up to the 3rd century CE) The 5th century BCE text, Astadhyayi, mentions male deity arcas or murtis of Agni, Indra, Varuna, Rudra, Mrda, Pusa, Surya, and Soma being worshipped, as well as the worship of arcas of female goddesses such as Indrani, Varunani, Usa, Bhavani, Prthivi and Vrsakapayi.
The 2nd century BCE "Mahabhasya" of Patanjali extensively describes temples of Dhanapati (deity of wealth and finance, Kubera), as well as temples of Rama and Kesava, wherein the worship included dance, music and extensive rituals. The Mahabhasya also describes the rituals for Krsna, Visnu and Siva. An image recovered from Mathura in north India has been dated to the 2nd century BCE.Kautilya's Arthashastra from 4th century BCE describes a city of temples, each enshrining various Vedic and Puranic deities.
All three of these sources have common names, describe common rituals, symbolism and significance possibly suggesting that the idea of murtis, temples and shrines passed from one generation to next, in ancient India, at least from the 4th century BCE.The oldest temples, suggest scholars, were built of brick and wood. Stone became the preferred material of construction late
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A major temple does not mean a huge building... Indeed no big constructions maybe, but we always had major holy sites.
without destroying any buddha statue in bamiyan babar has came to destroy Ram temple what a joke 1 RAJIV GANDHI sharma who opened babri masjid gates at mid night to install statutes of ram 2 LAL KISHAN ADVANI sharma who took out rath yathra to instigate mass violence and killings 3 P V NARSIMHA RAO who ordered DEMOLITION of BABRI masjid and the miracle is all criminals are belong to bhramins 😅😅😅 and regarding hagia Sophia church it was purchased , still now number of churchs are converting into mosque by purchasing in UK and Europe
this colonized native will teach us now.
What non sense i can show you at least 2 temples that are over 2000 years old.
Even better to interview an Argentinian historian, he'll say temple only in 1500AD
Who is this Christian who don't know Hinduism,and telling temples were not there
He may be right, Buddhist shrines & not Brahmanical structures existed in India mainly the period 200bc to 800ad. India was combined Buddhist/Hindu for well over a thousand years.