I cannot believe that anybody could watch the early seasons and fail to notice that Robyn deceived the other wives by pretending to shop for her wedding dress with them when she really had gone shopping with Kody, told Janelle she was looking for work when in fact she had an agreement with Kody that she would stay home, that she scuttled Meri's plans to return to college. And you would have to be brain-damaged to think Meri's divorce from Kody was Meri's idea, or that Kody adopting the kids and Robyn becoming the sole legal wife was Meri's idea. Meri was sobbing while she signed the papers. Then you have to have missed how the move to Las Vegas was because Robyn's father lived there, and the move to Flagstaff was because Dayton was going to college there. And then Robyn's house hunting began. And she couldnt rent a house, they found a rental that was perfect but she said no because it was in a different school district (which was BS because Arizona has been an open enrollment state since the 90s) and the only house anywhere that met her specifications was a mansion across the road from their property on Coyote Pass. It wasnt until the most recent seasons that we saw Janelle and Savannah living out there in an RV with no running water, and driving to Christine's house to haul water.They couldn't take showers at Robyn's house or run a garden house across the road? Go back and watch the early episodes again and pay attention this time. watch The other wives' reactions to the news that Kody picked the wedding dress, that they kissed before marriage, that they had decided Robyn wouldn't work. See if you can still find the clip where Robyn is walking up to the house in Lehi for a birthday party and viciously kicks the poor old dog who was wagging his tail in greeting. Watch the forum they participated in with Christine's aunt where Robyn was just plain rude, called her "Sweetie" in a condescending manner. Watch the episode where Robyn gave her purity speech and tells her kids their father raped her and they should never have been born. Watch her give Maddie hell for wanting to leave the AUB, and when she told Maddie if she didnt sign the family mission statement she would have to move out. I am astonished to hear anybody say they saw all this and didn't notice what a terrible person Robyn is. SHE KICKED THE DOG, fer cryin' out loud! The dog didnt live long after that.
A short list of Robyn Brown's "villain" actions, imo -insisting on 1/4 of the nights before the were married -kissing before marriage (not making sure the other wives were ok with the physical aspect before marriage) -knowingly joining a rough and tumble family when she knew she was a total overprotective mama hen to her own children. She never had any intention of incorporating or blending the families -letting Kody choose her wedding dress after dress shopping with the wives -11 day honeymoon, while Christine had a newborn (other wives had 3-4 day honeymoons) -never working, despite having a nanny/ childcare, and coming into the marriage with significant debt -not allowing her children to be cared for by other moms or participating in caring for other kids (besides Mykelti, who she used for babysitting) -kicking the dog -forcing her children to call Kody "daddy" -stealing Christine's family picture with Kody to create weird alternative history art with her and her own kids -the purity speech -getting mad that Maddie didnt want to be a polygamist -trying to control the religious decisions of all the teens, while not even being willing to... feed them -going on a second honeymoon to Hawaii with Kody and just her kids after the legal wedding, supposedly from her saved grocery money (she has fewer children and admits that they dont eat very much, and she doesnt have the other kids over to eat and has "DON'T TAKE FOOD WITHOUT ASKING" signs in her kitchen) -getting mad that Hunter didnt "look" happy about baby Solomon -making Kody miss seeing Logan graduate by purposefully coming late, getting lost, then insisting he leave the ceremony to find her -starts a vanity company without a good product, business plan, or money, taking away time, energy and resources from other potential endeavors -manipipulates Meri into not going back to school to pursue her dreams. Insists she needs her for My Sister Wives Closet -do not be fooled by the supposed offer of surrogacy, she knew Kody had no intention of letting her do that, even if it was what Meri wanted -almost never actually does anything for her sister wives (all talk and tears, no actions), literally no sacrifice ever -jabs about her weight vs theirs -being a fake friend to Meri, not calling her or having her come over during Covid, despite Meri following all the rules (claiming that J&C would be jealous) -literally everything is about her
@nancimanuele4129 I've got more, too - ruining the kids gift exchange by getting overly involved and insisting on a zoom call -not letting Meri have Christmas eve pajama night at her house (or letting her invite any of the rest of the kids over) -not thinking to invite Savanna over for 2nd Christmas when Truley, Ysabel, and Mykelti were over -not telling Meri that Ysabel was in town (knowing that even though Mykelti and Meri have issues, Meri cares for/about Ysabel) -telling her children that the rest of the family doesn't care about them/like them
And there’s many more suspected transgressions that we just didn’t see happen in real time to know for sure. I would bet money that her & Kody had already decided about the move to Flagstaff before he even brought it up to the other wives.
The fact that he’s estranged from most of children from his first 3 wives is very telling. Once Robyn came in she was given him the “honeymoon experience “ this was the kind of marriage Robyn said she wanted. Robyn explained she wanted to devote all her time and attention to Kody when he was with her like what her mother did. In the meantime, he had 3 other established marriages that were not based on this worshipping of him. They were doomed to fail.
She treats him like her best customer. Of course you can pull that off 25% of the time. I loved it when my dad when on every other week business trips. We'd relax and have fun and have cereal and toast for dinner while watching TV. But before he came home the house had to be cleaned and the week he was home was strict and orderly.
I started watching and listening to your podcast and I really enjoy it! But I will say I am shocked you don't see how manipulative Robyn is. Someone down in the comments made a list of her actions all through the series...and it's spot on. I'm happy you broke down this insane interview he did! I couldn't watch it otherwise. ☺
From what I've seen, part of the problem the Browns had was that they talked as if Kody didn't have patriarchal ultimate authority, but when the chips were down, he still expected his needs to be centered over everyone else's by all of his wives and children.
Great review show. Some people have criticized the non-confrontational style of the interviewers, but I feel that with Kody if he feels comfortable he overshares his true beliefs. And there are some very honest and damning information on offer here and your insights are very enlightening. He also muddies the truth too and for those that watch the show these are hilarious. As for the question, can polygamy ever really make women happy? I don't know, but if Christine is anything to go by, leaving it seems transformative. She seems so happy now.
He probably wouldn’t do an interview at all if they went harder on him. I think that’s why the tell all’s are so tame. And I think he’s going to be even more cautious after the response to this interview.
@@highjinx6519 people say he will walk off, wont do a hard interview. He's under contract. He has to do interviews whether he likes them or not. The talk-back show with the "questions the viewers really want answered" was hogwash. Will Kody get a new hairstyle? Does Christine own a toaster? Asking the wives "why is Kody so angry?" instead of asking Kody. It was garbage. The only thing interesting was Christine getting tipsy and Robyn's body language.
I don’t know how you don’t see Robin’s manipulations/her being a destructive person from the beginning! She really “needed” Kody to be there for every 4’th night, even though they were not married, they were kissing and making out before they were even engaged, and I understand the accepted rule was first kiss only after engagement, then Kody chose her wedding dress after she made sister wives think it will will be the dress that they saw; and last thing is 11 day honeymoon when the other wives had 3-4 days honeymoons! And Truely was just a baby then! Now Kody cannot leave “tender age” children, aka Robin’s children for more than couple of days! Also, Robin NEVER worked and is getting a lion share of their finances, like 2 wives, Mari and Janelle gave proceeds of their Las Vegas homes to buy Robin’s huge house! She came with 32K debt that OG wives paid for her, and she NEVER worked! Furthermore, she always had someone to help her with kids, starting before they married! Later she had a nanny, while Christine homeschooled and raised herself 12 kids!!!! All by herself, and at some point worked nights!!! There are more examples of Robin requiring a special treatment, and you do not have any problems with that and do not see her being a destructive person for the family?
His ideas about hypergamy are straight out of the ideology of "the manosphere" on youtube, or "the red pill movement". He listened to this guys justifying why men should have multiple women, but women only one men. One of them guys managed to convince his wife of this without real religion, just ideology. So that`s where Kody sees his future, I think.
I believe that's how the religion came to be in the first place. Joseph Smith slept with a 14 year old and came up with some elaborate tale to make it acceptable. He was a pedophile, abuser, liar and false prophet. We are seeing the harm unbridled lust has on families. Jesus said men were to have 1 Wife. Jesus also said if you look upon another woman with lust you have committed adultery in your heart. Kody here excuses that lust as natural. It is not natural it is a sin. Jesus said it was a sin. Kody needs to take a look at what Jesus said. Plural marriages cause much harm. Jealousy, poverty and on and on. @@schs1977
I was married to someone who often claimed to be zhods gift, total narcissist, knew nothing about women at all, I asked for a gift receipt! We are now divorced
Kody did NOT run around to the houses trying to keep his wives happy. The wives did bankruptcy after bankruptcy for the “family” but I always thought that he knew how to exploit each wife’s vulnerabilities. He’s a very good manipulator toward those particular women.
I enjoy your channel. Regarding what is a cult or “cult like” - one very important aspect to consider is how are members treated when they leave. In mainstream Christianity families may have an issue with a member who leaves the faith but there is no official doctrine of mandatory separation. Another is the presence of a group leader who has ultimate and complete control over the group.
Bad guy moment: 11 day honeymoon vs 3 days. Fast forward: he can’t leave for more than a few days because of her young children. Also, the comments about her telling him to go spend the time with the other wives happened when Christine was DONE.
Although I’m not a fan of her at all I will give Robin the fact that when Kristine first told him she didn’t want him to sleep in her room and he was being prideful Robin told him to suck it up, sleep on the couch, show her that you care and are willing to fight for her etc but unfortunately it was a little to late, it’s like she encouraged him to be a good spouse when it was something she wanted and valued, she wanted all the time and attention until she realized that the other wives were done and she wasn’t going to have the perfect plural family she dreamed of.
You both need to re-watch the episode where Robyn & the other wives go shopping to help Robyn pick out a wedding dress. During their couch get together, Kody says he has a bomb to drop! He helped Robyn pick her wedding dress! All three wives are shocked and Christine is VERY upset, gets up and leaves, saying Kody couldn't have cared less about what she wore when they got married! The other wives asked why Robin didn't say anything to them??? Her reply was because she didn't think they needed to know! In other words...None of your business is why! WRONG!! And they kissed before marriage...which is a no, no. Robyn is definitely not an innocent here!! She is manipulative and knows exactly what she is doing!
Sam and Melissa I love how you talk about the groups and people you cover with so much care. We do not have to agree with everyone’s beliefs and we can even be respectfully critical but we must always be respectful. And you are, always. We each have the right to our own beliefs and, unless there is something harmful going on (ie Warren Jeffs), those beliefs should be respected. I really appreciate your coverage in telling these stories.
The financial crimes he committed against the OG wives, especially what is disclosed this upcoming episode about the land and how much more $$ Meri and Janelle placed into the AZ property yet getting much less than Robyn/Kody wouldn't happen if they were all equal.
In the very first episode, Kody said he converted because he found a religion that would let him be polygamous - important choice of words. Thank you so much for pointing this out.
I would not call you an ex-polygamist, Sam. You never had plural wives. In my understanding you are an ex-FLDS member. Whatever you call yourself, you and Melissa are literally saving lives with your amazing work. Thank you for all the passion and hard work.
So, if everyone is remembering/telling the truth, Robyn was not great from the beginning. The other wives just wouldn't talk about it on screen. For example, Christine and Janelle said that their family habits of gathering for regular dinners and other traditions ended when Robyn came into the family.
Also - the first 3 wives went through poverty with Kody. Mykelti on her patreon told everyone how poor they were before the show and how they had to live off old bread. Robyn came into the family when they were prosperous do to the show. She never had to struggle with her kids - she never had to work outside the house and she also got a nanny for from the start. The original 3 had to go through a lot more things with Kody all those years that Robin never had to experience
I used to think what you guys think about Robyn, but when you mine the old episodes for how she kept her children away from the other wives and how she let Kody stay with her all the time while gaslighting everyone that he was splitting time.... it starts to come together. It's on the show but you have to watch with a careful eye to the lying.
I think he picks and choose stuff he likes in any religion. When I notice he was doing this stuff... I'm like wow horrible you are taking from Jewish religion but bet he doesn't respect them or follow all the rules... cause he doesn't for his own... if you do stuff to be good fine... but come on don't do what he is doing.
Robyn came in and kept herself separate. She did not let Christine who had been the traditional child minder watch her kids. Kody took her on a 11 day honeymoon, the other women had 3 day roadtrip honey moons, and this was DAYS after Christine had just given birth. Robyn did nothing to encourage Kody to keep paying attention to his other wives and children. Robyn took advantage of her newness and Kody's affection, did not reprimand or encourage him to spend time with his other children.
It surprises me that you guys don’t see Robyn for what she is. I saw it from the very beginning. She is incredibly manipulative. She is good at making herself seem like she is encouraging Kody to work things out with the other wives but she is clearly passive aggressive about it. She gets little digs in towards the other wives all the time. And her insisting on an 11 day honeymoon when the other wives got just a couple of days. That’s so ridiculous.
In regards to Robyn being the villian, I too have gone back and forth in my opinion of her. I think the viewers give her way too much credit of having more forethought than she deserves. However, in the first few seasons (knowing what we know now) her actions in those early episodes do hit different. I do believe she is manipulative (intentional & unintentional) . Also, the inequitable treatment Kody gave her and her children, and then his children with her, as opposed to the other wives and children. It does appear that she enjoyed her privilege at the expense of the other wives and I think that in itself is why viewers have so much hate for her. I do think she lights a fire and then says she had no part in it.
After what she did to her last husband showed me how manipulating she is. With no regard of the feelings of her kids. And the purity speech clinched for me. The woman is whacko
Yes, you are right. The main thing that made me think she was manipulating the family was when she and Kody got Meri to agree to the divorce. If it was all about plural, spiritual marriage she wouldn't have needed to be married. Kody didn't need to marry Robyn to look after her children either. What she did get out of it was legal rights.
@@angelacraw2907 yes and then she puts on the puppy dog eyes like she's really sad and upset to be the only wife left standing. I feel sorry for Meri waiting for cody to take her back.
From the first seasons of the series, Robyn's behavior towards the children of other wives has stuck in my mind. The family was not wealthy at the time and it was not easy for the children when the father brought a new wife into the family with three children, a lot of debts and no job, and wanted to spend most of his time with his new family. Moving to Las Vegas was practically like a divorce for the children: the children were separated from their siblings and the father had a new family. Robyn showed no sympathy whatsoever in the situation. On the contrary, she complained basically all the time about everything; the other wives and the children were not respectful enough towards her, did not take her feelings and desires into account enough. A person who is an adult and a parent in a family should never treat minors this way. But Robyn was all that mattered to Robyn.
Oh my gosh I appreciate you doing this but I cannot watch Kody Brown preach the gospel of Kody Brown. He is so full of baloney it makes my skin crawl. Of course he only wanted to do the reality show for the good of polygamy. Yeah I believe that. It’s all about 💰 and his gigantic ego.
Kody has definitely hurt the case for polygamy. In my opinion he has strung along the first three wives to help pay for a monogamist lifestyle with his jeans model. His first three wives work in MLMs and the equity that went into their Vegas homes are now in Robin’s house. Dislike for Robyn has to do with Kodys mistreatment. I think in this day and age it is a hard to imagine that women have so few freedoms. It is easier to blame Robyn instead of seeing her as another victim of polygamy.
Robyn is not a victim. She has never lived the polygamous lifestyle. Grody has been all up in her since she entered the picture. She didn't share children or a husband. She's only been interested in having the other women around because they bring home the bacon and she sits home on her butt. The money is the only communal thing she is involved in...using THEIR money.
Meri, Janelle and Christine all had to work. Robyn came in and would just put her bills on the counter to be paid by the family. She’s never actually had to work like the other women.
Even working for the series, Robyn put in minimal appearances as well as her children. I don’t think the series ever saw the inside of her house until just recently.
I love when RFM presses Kody on ‘in sacred loneliness’ and Kody immediately back peddles. I know RFM was thinking ‘ya Kody since it isn’t an applicable term for your situation…stop bringing it up..’
While she was not overtly "villainous," Robyn did come into the family without contributing anything to support it. She never worked to contribute financially, and she never helped with care of the other children. To sap resources without actively helping replenish them is manipulative and underhanded.
Yeas Robyn didn't include her sister wives in her kids' lives. She got a nanny instead of her sister wives she wouldn't watch their kids, and they weren't aloud to watch her kids a nanny did the bonding, not the wives. She never had a sister wife relationship with them
I blame the other wives who did not take a stand. She should only be entitled to whatever they acquired since she entered the marriage. The first wives and Kody would be entitled to assets that they acquired and at the end they get what’s theirs and Kody and Robyn can move forward with Their assets as a legal couple
I RECALLED WHEN THEY WERE MOVING FROM UTAH AND THE STRUGGLE THAT KODY HAD AS A MAN. IT SEEMED UNBEARABLE FOR ONE PERSON TO BE PHYSICALLY DOING SO MUCH WHILE AS WOMEN THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO APPLY THE PHYSICAL SUPPORT, I WATCHED HIM LOOKING EXTREMELY EXHAUSTED AND HAVING TO CHANGE A TIRE AMONG OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN EASIER IF HE HAD HELP . I SAW HIS FRUSTRATION AND AT TIMES A BIT OF RESENTMENT AND I WONDERED WHY WOULD THIS MADE SENSE TO ANYONE.
I DO BELIEVE THAT KODY IS BEING HONEST AT THIS POINT, HOWEVER, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE DIVIDING OF ASSETS IS FAIR AFTER MANY YEARS OF MARRIAGE AND COMMITMENT BY THE THREE FIRST WIVES
I also grew up Southern Baptist, we used "Heavenly Father" a lot as well. However, unlike how they said Mormons view it as more respectful, I always felt that term wad more intimate.
My opinion with Robyn with being manipulating was in season 1 with the whole wedding dress thing. I believe she acted that she didn't want Kody to tell the other wives, but she knew what she was doing and didn't care. All the wives were in shock and Christine was heart broken, because she never had that intimacy with Kody regarding their marriage since she was the 3rd wife. Also, none of the wives got a 2 week honeymoon, but Robyn! She needed it! Whatever 😂
OMG I read these childhood books, a series called Little House on the Prairie. I toured the Laura and Almonzo Wilder home in Missouri, and Almonzo built the house for Laura.... WHO WAS FOUR FOOT TEN. And I think he was 5'1"! Everything like the height of the kitchen counters was TINY! Surreal. Back before there were standardized sizes for things. It was all so odd, I felt like a giant, and I'm only 5'6"!
I used to be a pretty strong Robyn supporter…until I watched the series through for a second time. For some reason, it suddenly became very apparent to me that Robyn NEVER ONCE acknowledged that anything was her fault. Never once. In fact, she could somehow turn any situation into HER being the victim, no matter what she had done to contribute to the situation. It blew my mind that her manipulation had worked on me the first time I viewed the series. Now, I would never claim that she is evil, or even a terrible person. However, she is truly one of the most selfish, quietly manipulative people I have ever seen on television.
That was the most fair recap of that interview I’ve seen. Typically, the coverage I see in general of sister wives is click bait like they watch for that snippet that can be used to ignite controversy. I very much enjoyed your coverage.
Two things: first, y’all have the smartest, most insightful and also graceful commentary on the internet. Second: I don’t understand how Jesus fits into mainstream LDS and FLDS. Do they believe in the trinity? And if you’re going to the celestial kingdom, will Jesus be there, and are you equal to Jesus? To God the father? I will try to remember to submit this when you have an AMA, but I wanted to throw it out there in case anyone can answer.
They do not believe in the Trinity or that salvation is through grace alone. They claim they are Christians, but mainstream Christian's do not consider Mormons Christians. Honestly, to hear all the heresy they proclaim is Christianity is disgusting.
I think people forget that BEFORE the tv show there was 15 long.....years of disfunction. Each wife has spoken about this. Meri, Janelle & Christine. There were such hard times, and when Robyn came along and the going public, the cracks could not be hidden. Three women and 1 man went into a public forum and gained a fourth wife with heavy baggage already. Polygamy does not work, everyone played a part in this!!
The children remember. The hard times, the Hunger! It's really sad and disgraceful that this show has sat back and filmed the pain and destruction of this family
I’ll be curious if you change your mind about Robyn eventually. I thought she was great at first too. Over time I saw things that changed my view. She held a grudge against hunter for struggling with so many changes in the family and put a sign on her fridge that the other wives kids were not to touch any food in her fridge without asking. Eventually I came to realize she treated some of the original kids unfairly and Kody backed her on it. Ultimately it’s on him but I don’t think she’s nearly as innocent and she claims to be.
I always take these reality shows with a grain of salt. When "Wife Swap" came to Michigan, my son got work as an extra on the show. His friend's mother's salon was used as a set for a haircut, and my son was in the background getting his hair cut. He was amazed at how scripted everything was. The director would coach them to "Get more angry" and the entire situation was pretty much made up.
I was general manager of a facility that Wife Swap contracted to use when they came to Iowa and part of the early talks to the contracts to being part of the filming and OMG it’s ALL 100% scripted.
If there’s anything I know positively about Cody is, he’s not a religious man in any fashion. He’s proved that himself many many times. But he is a user of the religions. And my book.
I love that you watched it at 1.5x speed. Kody actually sounds like a normal person at that speed. He clearly overthinks every single thing that he says. Yet at the same time he needs to think more.
Regarding the title Heavenly Father, I grew up Baptist and nearly every time we prayed we started with “Dear Heavenly Father”, but in conversation we did refer to Him as God. Very interesting to learn this about LDS.
I'm not Mormon. My husband has another wife. I understand where there OG3 come from. I also know what it's like to not get equal time or love due to another. I don't wish this on ANYONE. I'm trying to figure out how to leave. It's not as easy as you would think. There are bills to consider. How do I live if I take their debt with me on top of my debt? I'm willing to talk to someone for help with this. Please don't attack me. I'm terrified by posting this. I don't have any friends to turn to. Please help.
I don’t really know but I had to comment because you deserve support!! In the current episodes they mention raising donations to an organization in Utah that helps polygamists leave and I think they provide housing as well. So maybe check into that? They mention the name of the charity at the beginning of the podcast. I’m sorry I don’t have any other ideas but I do feel sympathy for your plight.
Hey, start praying is my first and best advice. No religion, just figuring out what God wants for you. Find a women’s shelter and get help putting things in motion. You may have to file bankruptcy. It’s not the end of the world. I’ll be praying for you. There’s a way out, and you can find it. Don’t give up.
I have heard horror stories so that the husband of the polygamist wife , is in charge of the money , the wife may get food stamps ,but the husband takes the money and food stamps and children are not fed properly , The husband can just not take care of his children with a wife he does not care for, like Cody did with JanelleS daughter, did not even give her a Christmas present.
I’m LDS. I have an understanding that we are not expected to achieve perfection in this life time. It doesn’t hurt to try n live your best life being the best person you can be.
I have followed the Brown family for many years. My engagement with the show wained during the Covid years. When when I tuned back in I was kind of surprised to see that it had all fallen apart. But then it occurred to me, the most devoted small monogamous families, with the most love and happiness struggled hard during the Covid years. Many didn’t make it. There were fissures in my own immediate family and my extended family both during the Covid years. Between the lock downs, the vaxx & mask mandates, the school closures, the job loss, the economic hits, and more, it was a very hard time to stay intact for even a small family. I barely made it out of Covid married. It made us all see, really see, the ugliest parts of our spouses, parents, siblings, children, and extended family. There was a seismic shift in friendships, allies, enemies, in groups, and out groups. I think that Covid ruined this family the same as it ruined families all over the planet. We all just got to see this one in real time. I don’t know anyone who came out of the christmas season of 2021 without scars.
I didn't see that during covid, no-one I know ended their relationships or had marriage breakdowns. It was very difficult for lots of people for all sorts of people but it didn't cause that for most. This family had already fallen apart before Covid, Christine was leaving and Meri and Kody hadn't had an intimate relationship for years and he said he didn't love her.
@@powderandpaint14 true, but the not inviting unless you wear a mask, or take the vaxx, or quarantine for X amount of time, or take this precaution or that precaution, that kind of stuff damaged lots of healthy relationships. Then when you pile all that on top of relationships with preexisting cracks in them already, it is even worse. And that stuff happened with this famiky. That is what I am saying. I am glad you didn’t experience any of that. I sure did, and from famiky & friends that I never would have expected to see it from.
Almost no one ever, ever, ever comments on vocabulary in comments, and rightly so. But "fishers" was so interesting and brought me to a complete stop wondering what the fishers were up to. Then "fissures" dawned on me. Sorry if I'm being rude. It just put me on a momentary fun sidetrack. Enjoyed your comment and your charity.
The covid era was harsh but people had their ways to see each other if they wanted. Outdoors or wearing masks or keeping distances etc. Covid didn't stop people from seeing each other for good even though it changed the ways of interaction for some time. For Kody and Robyn covid was a welcomed excuse to exclude everyone. They had been monogamous in their hearts for the past decade and now they were permitted to be it openly.
@@sleepycalico hmmm, I appreciate your comment. I love language, But the written word has always been my downfall. Thank you for the correction. I am going to edit.
I am a former member of a group that may have been the Catholic equivalent to the FLDS (no polygamy but plenty of anti semitism and still lots of abuse to make up for it, one of my therapists called it a cult but I’m reluctant to do so because I was able to easily walk away from it) and I’ve been listening to that podcast for a while because I’ve found I have many similarities with ex-Mormons in general (and there isn’t a whole lot of material specifically for us ex-Catholics) so it’s interesting to hear your take on that episode, never watched SisterWives but have heard of Kody’s doings through other channels.
IKody stepped on a stage in 2007, Robyn separated in 2007, Robyns marriage was finalized in 2009, Kody's show starts ifilming in 2009 airs in 2010. Pretty sure Robyn planned all of it!
This was really insightful as far as the religious aspect of the conversation, thank you! While I 💯 agree with you that the main problem in this family was bringing a young wife into an established 15 year marriage as well as Kody’s behavior toward Robyn; there have still been instances where it is clear Robyn was working with Kody for an individual marriage and never in accordance with the other wives. The wedding dress, the pregnancy immediately upon arriving in Vegas before even having dwellings were the first two clear manipulations and then over the years there have been many clear discrepancies between how Robyn wanted and did raise her children compared to and in some cases, against, the original wives’ values. Although the COVID rules may not have been Robyn’s, there is no doubt they were clearly inspired by Robyn’s beliefs and fears. Lastly, Robyn’s manipulation of Kody’s time by letting him know her kids couldn’t be without him for more than two days, even when both his child and grandchild were going through life altering surgeries.
I found this interesting. I feel like it gives a lot of context to some of his actions when you realize how he is in the middle of a Faith crisis and no doubt has been for the last several years. That's no small ordeal and it steals the footing out from under you. Absolutely does not justify any of his behaviors but it does explain a few things to me.
I have always been interested in this show, not for the soap opera drama of it all, but the theological thought behind it. I never watched it, but only clips here and there. The pure drama of it all is too much for me. This discussion fulfilled more of my underlying curiosity. You two did an amazing job of presenting this in an interesting discussion. The thoughts lacked judgment but provided special insight. Thank you!
Man. That was a lot. Seems like he's only very vaguely Mormon at this point. I would love a video on how to respectfully talk to your LDS friends and family while still asking questions.
I REALLY LOVED THIS EPISODE!! I’m from a city in Texas, approximately 40 miles due North of Houston, and we really don’t have a heavy Mormon community here. I’ve honestly only known maybe 3 Mormon followers personally in my entire life (43 yrs). That being the case, I don’t have a very broad base of knowledge concerning the Mormon faith. I felt like y’all shed more light on the principles of the faith for me, in a mere 57 minutes into this video, than I have gleaned from countless hours of watching other videos by other creators. It may simply be the fact that y’all aren’t trying to disparage their belief system, but neither do y’all seem to be promoting it. I have a difficult time listening to content creators that seek only to attack a specific faith, because I don’t respond well to criticism of something that others are so passionate about. On the other hand, as a Southern Baptist, who grew up attending a private Christian school (with an obvious Biblical foundation), I also don’t appreciate having another religion “forced down my throat.” I genuinely feel that you two do a great job of presenting facts, and even presenting explanations as to the beliefs and behaviors associated with the Mormon faith, without an uncomfortable, overt bias in either direction. I just wanted to commend the two of you 😊❤
Robyn is so manipulative. You guys are blind. She wouldn't allow her children to spend time with the rest of the family. She pretends to be all in but never did anything to become a sister wife. She insisted on being the legal wife, which now gives her power that the others don't have. She brought debt into the marriage and NEVER contributed financially. She has manipulated her own children too. Just wowed that you can't see this. Better get busy watching more seasons.
How did y'all miss her kicking the family dog in Season 2 Episode 9. Kicking an animal, especially an established family pet, shows how deeply ugly a person's soul truly is.
I’m a new subscriber or am I? I’ve apparently been subscribed to you both for some time.. However, I just found you .. today. I’ve been watching “Sister Wives” for a long time. I was absolutely glued to your channel from beginning to end. I just found it all so very informative and quite frankly super interesting. Thank you both for a fascinating dive into this culture.
Wouldn't you think this man might communicate with his wives about living in one big house before spending thousands on a design plan? Of course not, because Kody the narcissistic husband doesn't communicate then calls them disloyal for not blessing his ideas. This was in Vegas where all the family weekly dinners had stopped because Robyn didn't want them and Kody was always at her house but couldn't understand why the other wives were always mad. KnR were cooking up the plan to move to Flagstaff so Kody could get control of the other wives money.
Robyn always wanted to be on tv, Kody LOVES the sound of his own voice and having all eyes on him. If teasing another wife keeps them in front of the cameras and a paycheck coming in, of course they’ll at least pretend to go after another woman !
Fun fact: a lot of the homes built 100 years ago or more in the United States, are wooden homes with no concrete foundation. That results in the home slowly composting at ground level and slowly shrinking in height. I have had the thought before that people must have been shorter back in the day. And then I learned that the homes are just sinking!
I truly truly appreciate so much how you guys conduct yourselves on This channel. I don’t feel my beliefs being attacked or belittled. So I have a few thoughts. I agree with Kody on a very few things, unfortunately the following stupid things he said made me forget what they were. Secondly maybe I have the wrong mindset, but I don’t live plural marriage to perfect myself, I am trying to overcome my earthly weaknesses, I’m trying to weed out my selfish desires. I don’t view that as striving for perfection. Yes Jesus died so that we will be forgiven, but remember many times in the Bible He says go and sin no more, which I really feel that’s overlooked. I’m simply trying to sin no more. As far as having a successful happy plural marriage really comes down to every person in the relationship needs to be willing to give up a little bit of themselves. If one wife is super happy and the other one isn’t but is still there, maybe the husband needs to ask himself why. Kody drives me nuts with his exclusive thesaurus that doesn’t make any sense. It makes me so sad when people use the word cult descriptive of any religion. In conclusion, I’ve learned nothing new about my faith from Kody Brown.
It's wonderful that you watch these videos and try to see things from a broad perspective. It is wonderful that you analyze your marriage and your faith and strive to make the people in your marriage happy. Not all religions are cults. One special feature of a cult is that the lives of the people who belong to it are very precisely regulated and determined by the church/church leaders. All the best for you!
Scientology is most definitely a cult but it doesn’t deserve to be called a “religion”. They only do that for the tax exempt status. That’s the one major exception to me as far as a religion being a cult.
I read a book a book three years ago... Anna Lebaron "The Polygamist's Daughter". Anna was the daughter of Ervil Lebaron... They did a movie about his story "The Prophet of Evil" (starring Brian Dennehy and William Devane) .. Anna Lebaron is related to Christine Brown of "Sister Wives". Ervil Lebaron makes Warren Jeffs look like a saint. Wondering if you have read her book or dived into that whole story.
Wow, was not expecting to EaVER hear Kody admit some of the things he did in this interview!😳 I think I am in shock! Sobyn must be making him go to therapy!💯 Also feels like they got a PR team that is actually trying to help his image now that him & the wives are so seperate. I think they all used the same PR before. I have notived it does seem like they are all using seperate teams now. Still think he's a narcissist thru & thru tho. Loved this video, one of the best yous have put out on Kody & the show to date! I guess we owe that to Kody since was actually honest for once!💯❤
How did you not comment on his “I finally was successful. I got a Diesel jean model”?? It’s so petty and disgusting and really shows how narcissistic he is.
What about her never working, the dress, the kisses (even after she knew how much it hurt Christine) 11 day honeymoon ( the other wife's got a 2 day road trip), her having a nanny. The list goes on.
Robyn making sure on many occasions to interrupt the little time the others had with Kody, with fake needy items, and texting him, to come back to her place, or showing up at theirs with a shallow excuse. The fake crying when she didn't get her own way and is about to be held accountable for her actions. The manipulations just go on and on with her.
@1:00. Defining success in marriage as staying together is typical of monogamous marriage too. I know 0 polygamists. I know sooooo many people who have unhappy marriages but consider divorce a failure so they stay trapped in that dynamic. I know so many women whose self esteem is wrecked by a divorce. I went to a Catholic wedding where a grandparent of one of the newlyweds gave a speech about the importance of marriage being forever, was asked, "you've been together 50+ years, what's your secret?" The answer: "Well, we didn't think there was any alternative." ... This was presented as inspiring, and I was scratching my head. Honestly, although I know people in happy marriages, I don't understand what the concept of marriage is adding to those relationships. When a relationship lasts 10 or 30 or 50 years, that's worth celebrating! All that fixating on 50 years from the beginning does is make people reluctant to leave the bad relationships; I don't see how it adds anything to the good ones. ... It appears to me that the valuing of longevity over quality is inherent to the idea of marriage as such, not just to polygamy. I say this with all due respect to the people in my life who really cherish the idea of marriage, but I feel it's worth pointing out on behalf of all the people who could have been happier without that concept dominating their goals and ideas of a successful life.
Seems like the only aspect of the religion Kody was interested in was the multiple wives, watching the show its clear they didn't practice all aspects of the religion only the parts they wanted to, alcohol and caffeine are both frowned upon in both the LDS and the AUB, family involvement is encouraged strongly in both, started the seasons strong it that aspect but in later seasons that went out the window completely. I have many friends in the LDS church and they have family night and numerous activities during the week they attend. I dont agree with their religion but do admire how family is really important.
Family is not important to them. If your child leaves you berate them. If your child is gay you throw them out. They lock their teens up in camps out in the wilderness for not obeying absolutely. You’re delusional if you think family is important to your Mormon buddies.
@@NormaJean951 my Mormon friends have a child who came out as Trans where the church doesn't support them their parents do, Mormons like every other religion have levels of personal beliefs that differ from their religious, not all Mormons are hard core. Im saying my friends have a strong belief in their family whether they would have it involved in any other religion perhaps, to call some delusional because of having friends that belong to a religion and admire their strong family values is pretty ignorant, I said friend not the religion which is something I personally don't agree with, I personally judge the person and not their religious beliefs.
Since Kody talks about evolutionary psychology, and that's more or less what my degree is in (environmental biology and psychology), I'll touch on this. There does seem to be a benefit to men sleeping around and fathering as many children as possible. That is why these men exist. However, human children take an INCREDIBLE amount of time, effort, and resources to raise, and it is very beneficial to have more than one parent raising them, especially if those parents are able to create a consistent and loving atmosphere for the children. When we use the phrase "survival of the fittest", we're not actually referring to physical fitness or the stronger man winning a deadly fight or anything like that. We're referring to ecological fitness, which is essentially a measure of the number of offspring that live to reproductive age. So survival of the fittest isn't really about the survival of any one individual, but a survival of the genes that get passed on to the next generation. Anything that increases that ecological fitness will get passed on, so if a person is genetically inclined to father as many children as possible with many different women and at least one of them survives to reproductive age and has at least one child, whatever genes that may have promoted that behavior will be passed on. But the reality is that humans do much better with consistency, and the kids of monogamous, committed parents are much more likely to survive to reproductive age and have children who also survive to reproductive age, etc. So some men are naturally inclined to reproduce with as many women as they can, but many (probably most) men aren't. Just like some people have blue eyes and some have brown.
Yeah but that was BEFORE we were even HUMANS- and then the social system was all worked out when humans lived collectively in tribes and small villages. NOW we live in ever increasing cities and have huge mobility…For me as a woman…being single -staying single definitely has had an advantage. And the breakdown of my toxic family was a good thing. -So all opposite of what I was told to expect. Single at 62 and watching the wrecks of my friends marriages-feels like I dodged a bullet. 2 friends were killed by their husbands. So we don’t know what to expect right now from evolution. I do think it’s interesting that we caught the DNA sequencing at a pivotal time before every nation’s cultural groups were dispersed and remixed. Population dilution is sad but also interesting.
You both are absolutely amazing!!! I just “stumbled” upon your channel! Your viewpoint, the fact that you are married with “lived experience” of both the LDS and UEB!!!! What a gift you have given us! Cannot wait to watch all your videos!🥰👍
Hi. Bi sexual here. I just wanted to say that I find both men and women attractive but the only person I want to or try to sleep with is my wonderful husband of 10 years. You can be both attracted to people and completely faithful to a monogamous relationship. I don't know if he thinks being attracted to someone is cheating? But it is offensive to hear a grown man be so immature about sexuality. 🙄 thanks for coming to my TED talk lol
It makes me mad when he lies about the other wives. They did not get an 11 day honeymoon like Robyn did. And Christine had just had a baby at the time. I think the other wives got 2 or 3 days and it was at a beach location.
Monogamous/bonded animals include swans, European beavers, bald eagles, coyotes, Canadian geese, puffins, California condors, gentoo penguins, albatrosses, gibbons and more. These are animals know that two parents are required to raise their offspring successfully. Monogamy for the survival of their bloodlines. From what I've seen polygamy focuses on the number of children not the emotional and physical health of the children that you have.
I personally disliked Robyn from very early in the show, but it had nothing to do with her destroying the family. I thought her treatment of the other wives' children was emotionally abusive. By season 2 she seemed to have singled out Hunter as a personal nemesis with how often she would complain about his face and existence bothering her. There was also a scene that was quietly removed that looked like Robyn kicked the dog in the background. You could probably have only seen it if you watched live which I did. I think a lot of Robyn's more egregious behavior towards animals and kids was quietly removed by the show after the backlash. I think in season 6 she said she regrets having her three oldest children and that they were a horrible mistake that ruined her purity. Let me know if that's tones down now. The family was possibly falling apart no matter what though. And frankly I don't think most of the parents treated the kids well. That show was uncomfortable to watch and Robyn was only part of it.
The dog kicking scene also spoke volumes for me. A lot of people posted slow motion videos. She kicked him so hard he recoiled. It was an old family dog that was put to sleep at the home later. The diesel jeans model doesn’t impress me.
Ok the Robyn thing started from day 1, she demanded equal time before marriage, lied about the wedding dress, kissed Kody while Christine was in labor, refused to allow her kids to be watched by the og wives, had to have an 11 day honeymoon where the OG wives got a couple days at most, how shes leading poor Meri on for a decade when Kody is ignoring her, bot working, kept Meri from going back to college, its all there.
And here's also how Robyn treated the family's children, whom she attacked because in her mind they didn't treat her with enough respect and praise. They were children! And it was a tough experience for them to move to Vegas, to be separated from each other and their friends. But no, Robyn only saw herself in everything. Only she was important.
I did not see Robyn as the “villain” either for the first few seasons. I honestly thought Meri was the troublesome one. It wasn’t until they moved to Vegas and Robyn got pregnant that I started noticing things with her. And then in later seasons she will play dumb when someone calls her out for her behavior, she almost gaslights the other women.
Kody has always given me the feeling that he wasn’t in polygamy for the “right” reasons, and he has given me a creepy feeling since the beginning. He just always seemed to be acting the life and not as genuine as other LDS appear to be. In the beginning I never felt he wanted to start the show to shed light on living polygamy but I have felt like he started the show for the money and fame aspect. Maybe way back in the day he started polygamy because it was what he thought he was supposed to do but I don’t feel he was deeply called to follow the life, more like he did it’s because he was “supposed” to watch to.
Keep watching. The problematic elements were in place from the beginning but it was subtle. In this interview Kody acts like his honeymoon with Robyn was equivalent but it wasn’t. The rest had local long weekends. Robyn had 11 days in Hawaii. Robyn called Kody back to her for “emergencies” on other wives dedicated time and insisted Kody not ever spend more than 2 nights at a time away from her house because her little children need him. Meanwhile Truley is around the same age and now has less time with her dad.
The Bible teaches that each persons salvation is individual and not reliant on another person. I wonder how many women would choose polygamy if they knew that truth.
I just found your channel and have only watched one video so far but I really like seeing your perspective, especially having grown up in different forms of the Mormon faith.
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I cannot believe that anybody could watch the early seasons and fail to notice that Robyn deceived the other wives by pretending to shop for her wedding dress with them when she really had gone shopping with Kody, told Janelle she was looking for work when in fact she had an agreement with Kody that she would stay home, that she scuttled Meri's plans to return to college. And you would have to be brain-damaged to think Meri's divorce from Kody was Meri's idea, or that Kody adopting the kids and Robyn becoming the sole legal wife was Meri's idea. Meri was sobbing while she signed the papers.
Then you have to have missed how the move to Las Vegas was because Robyn's father lived there, and the move to Flagstaff was because Dayton was going to college there.
And then Robyn's house hunting began. And she couldnt rent a house, they found a rental that was perfect but she said no because it was in a different school district (which was BS because Arizona has been an open enrollment state since the 90s) and the only house anywhere that met her specifications was a mansion across the road from their property on Coyote Pass.
It wasnt until the most recent seasons that we saw Janelle and Savannah living out there in an RV with no running water, and driving to Christine's house to haul water.They couldn't take showers at Robyn's house or run a garden house across the road?
Go back and watch the early episodes again and pay attention this time.
watch The other wives' reactions to the news that Kody picked the wedding dress, that they kissed before marriage, that they had decided Robyn wouldn't work. See if you can still find the clip where Robyn is walking up to the house in Lehi for a birthday party and viciously kicks the poor old dog who was wagging his tail in greeting. Watch the forum they participated in with Christine's aunt where Robyn was just plain rude, called her "Sweetie" in a condescending manner.
Watch the episode where Robyn gave her purity speech and tells her kids their father raped her and they should never have been born.
Watch her give Maddie hell for wanting to leave the AUB, and when she told Maddie if she didnt sign the family mission statement she would have to move out.
I am astonished to hear anybody say they saw all this and didn't notice what a terrible person Robyn is.
SHE KICKED THE DOG, fer cryin' out loud! The dog didnt live long after that.
The dog kicking was quietly edited out years ago.
@@tiryaclearsong421you can still find it though, I’ve seen clips of it in the last year or so.
Whoa, what episode was the dog kicking in?!? I missed that! 😢😡
@@kelli2833 I saw it on yt channels but not positive which ones. Maybe WOACB &/or Elle Bee?
So well said! Bravo! 💯
Excellent! Sam nailed it! "He's basically saying cheating is okay." Yep.
A short list of Robyn Brown's "villain" actions, imo
-insisting on 1/4 of the nights before the were married
-kissing before marriage (not making sure the other wives were ok with the physical aspect before marriage)
-knowingly joining a rough and tumble family when she knew she was a total overprotective mama hen to her own children. She never had any intention of incorporating or blending the families
-letting Kody choose her wedding dress after dress shopping with the wives
-11 day honeymoon, while Christine had a newborn (other wives had 3-4 day honeymoons)
-never working, despite having a nanny/ childcare, and coming into the marriage with significant debt
-not allowing her children to be cared for by other moms or participating in caring for other kids (besides Mykelti, who she used for babysitting)
-kicking the dog
-forcing her children to call Kody "daddy"
-stealing Christine's family picture with Kody to create weird alternative history art with her and her own kids
-the purity speech
-getting mad that Maddie didnt want to be a polygamist
-trying to control the religious decisions of all the teens, while not even being willing to... feed them
-going on a second honeymoon to Hawaii with Kody and just her kids after the legal wedding, supposedly from her saved grocery money (she has fewer children and admits that they dont eat very much, and she doesnt have the other kids over to eat and has "DON'T TAKE FOOD WITHOUT ASKING" signs in her kitchen)
-getting mad that Hunter didnt "look" happy about baby Solomon
-making Kody miss seeing Logan graduate by purposefully coming late, getting lost, then insisting he leave the ceremony to find her
-starts a vanity company without a good product, business plan, or money, taking away time, energy and resources from other potential endeavors
-manipipulates Meri into not going back to school to pursue her dreams. Insists she needs her for My Sister Wives Closet
-do not be fooled by the supposed offer of surrogacy, she knew Kody had no intention of letting her do that, even if it was what Meri wanted
-almost never actually does anything for her sister wives (all talk and tears, no actions), literally no sacrifice ever
-jabs about her weight vs theirs
-being a fake friend to Meri, not calling her or having her come over during Covid, despite Meri following all the rules (claiming that J&C would be jealous)
-literally everything is about her
All of this
@nancimanuele4129 I've got more, too
- ruining the kids gift exchange by getting overly involved and insisting on a zoom call
-not letting Meri have Christmas eve pajama night at her house (or letting her invite any of the rest of the kids over)
-not thinking to invite Savanna over for 2nd Christmas when Truley, Ysabel, and Mykelti were over
-not telling Meri that Ysabel was in town (knowing that even though Mykelti and Meri have issues, Meri cares for/about Ysabel)
-telling her children that the rest of the family doesn't care about them/like them
She is a gentle but snake that lures through crocodile tears.
You're amazing. Thank you for going into detail for us.
And there’s many more suspected transgressions that we just didn’t see happen in real time to know for sure. I would bet money that her & Kody had already decided about the move to Flagstaff before he even brought it up to the other wives.
The fact that he’s estranged from most of children from his first 3 wives is very telling. Once Robyn came in she was given him the “honeymoon experience “ this was the kind of marriage Robyn said she wanted. Robyn explained she wanted to devote all her time and attention to Kody when he was with her like what her mother did. In the meantime, he had 3 other established marriages that were not based on this worshipping of him. They were doomed to fail.
She treats him like her best customer. Of course you can pull that off 25% of the time.
I loved it when my dad when on every other week business trips. We'd relax and have fun and have cereal and toast for dinner while watching TV. But before he came home the house had to be cleaned and the week he was home was strict and orderly.
I was appalled when Robyn said that she treats Kody like her best customer! What in the world! She was comparing herself to a hooker!
of course it's easy for her to lavish Kody with attention when she has a nanny to watch her kids and no job.
I started watching and listening to your podcast and I really enjoy it! But I will say I am shocked you don't see how manipulative Robyn is. Someone down in the comments made a list of her actions all through the series...and it's spot on. I'm happy you broke down this insane interview he did! I couldn't watch it otherwise. ☺
From what I've seen, part of the problem the Browns had was that they talked as if Kody didn't have patriarchal ultimate authority, but when the chips were down, he still expected his needs to be centered over everyone else's by all of his wives and children.
Great review show. Some people have criticized the non-confrontational style of the interviewers, but I feel that with Kody if he feels comfortable he overshares his true beliefs. And there are some very honest and damning information on offer here and your insights are very enlightening. He also muddies the truth too and for those that watch the show these are hilarious. As for the question, can polygamy ever really make women happy? I don't know, but if Christine is anything to go by, leaving it seems transformative. She seems so happy now.
He probably wouldn’t do an interview at all if they went harder on him. I think that’s why the tell all’s are so tame. And I think he’s going to be even more cautious after the response to this interview.
@@highjinx6519 You are right. The interview was his chance at a puff piece.
@@angelacraw2907 yep and he failed miserably 🤣 He’s not smart enough to pull it off.
@@highjinx6519 people say he will walk off, wont do a hard interview. He's under contract. He has to do interviews whether he likes them or not.
The talk-back show with the "questions the viewers really want answered" was hogwash.
Will Kody get a new hairstyle? Does Christine own a toaster? Asking the wives "why is Kody so angry?" instead of asking Kody.
It was garbage. The only thing interesting was Christine getting tipsy and Robyn's body language.
I don’t know how you don’t see Robin’s manipulations/her being a destructive person from the beginning! She really “needed” Kody to be there for every 4’th night, even though they were not married, they were kissing and making out before they were even engaged, and I understand the accepted rule was first kiss only after engagement, then Kody chose her wedding dress after she made sister wives think it will will be the dress that they saw; and last thing is 11 day honeymoon when the other wives had 3-4 days honeymoons! And Truely was just a baby then! Now Kody cannot leave “tender age” children, aka Robin’s children for more than couple of days! Also, Robin NEVER worked and is getting a lion share of their finances, like 2 wives, Mari and Janelle gave proceeds of their Las Vegas homes to buy Robin’s huge house! She came with 32K debt that OG wives paid for her, and she NEVER worked! Furthermore, she always had someone to help her with kids, starting before they married! Later she had a nanny, while Christine homeschooled and raised herself 12 kids!!!! All by herself, and at some point worked nights!!!
There are more examples of Robin requiring a special treatment, and you do not have any problems with that and do not see her being a destructive person for the family?
Also I believe Maddie took time off school to babysit Robyns kids before Cody even married her so they could go to hotels
I see Kody as a smart ass and he feels he is gods gift to women! 😊
I agree. I think Kody has an extreme sexual "appetite" and having multiple wives is his way to justify he is not being unfaithful to his first wife.
He's more of a dumbass imo
His ideas about hypergamy are straight out of the ideology of "the manosphere" on youtube, or "the red pill movement". He listened to this guys justifying why men should have multiple women, but women only one men. One of them guys managed to convince his wife of this without real religion, just ideology. So that`s where Kody sees his future, I think.
I believe that's how the religion came to be in the first place. Joseph Smith slept with a 14 year old and came up with some elaborate tale to make it acceptable. He was a pedophile, abuser, liar and false prophet. We are seeing the harm unbridled lust has on families. Jesus said men were to have 1 Wife. Jesus also said if you look upon another woman with lust you have committed adultery in your heart. Kody here excuses that lust as natural. It is not natural it is a sin. Jesus said it was a sin. Kody needs to take a look at what Jesus said. Plural marriages cause much harm. Jealousy, poverty and on and on. @@schs1977
I was married to someone who often claimed to be zhods gift, total narcissist, knew nothing about women at all, I asked for a gift receipt! We are now divorced
Kody did NOT run around to the houses trying to keep his wives happy. The wives did bankruptcy after bankruptcy for the “family” but I always thought that he knew how to exploit each wife’s vulnerabilities. He’s a very good manipulator toward those particular women.
I enjoy your channel. Regarding what is a cult or “cult like” - one very important aspect to consider is how are members treated when they leave. In mainstream Christianity families may have an issue with a member who leaves the faith but there is no official doctrine of mandatory separation. Another is the presence of a group leader who has ultimate and complete control over the group.
Bad guy moment: 11 day honeymoon vs 3 days. Fast forward: he can’t leave for more than a few days because of her young children. Also, the comments about her telling him to go spend the time with the other wives happened when Christine was DONE.
Also Christine had a newborn during Robyn’s honeymoon…
Although I’m not a fan of her at all I will give Robin the fact that when Kristine first told him she didn’t want him to sleep in her room and he was being prideful Robin told him to suck it up, sleep on the couch, show her that you care and are willing to fight for her etc but unfortunately it was a little to late, it’s like she encouraged him to be a good spouse when it was something she wanted and valued, she wanted all the time and attention until she realized that the other wives were done and she wasn’t going to have the perfect plural family she dreamed of.
@@amberowen2004 agreed…. I think the appropriate phrase is “too little too late”.
You both need to re-watch the episode where Robyn & the other wives go shopping to help Robyn pick out a wedding dress. During their couch get together, Kody says he has a bomb to drop! He helped Robyn pick her wedding dress! All three wives are shocked and Christine is VERY upset, gets up and leaves, saying Kody couldn't have cared less about what she wore when they got married! The other wives asked why Robin didn't say anything to them??? Her reply was because she didn't think they needed to know! In other words...None of your business is why! WRONG!! And they kissed before marriage...which is a no, no. Robyn is definitely not an innocent here!! She is manipulative and knows exactly what she is doing!
Sam and Melissa I love how you talk about the groups and people you cover with so much care. We do not have to agree with everyone’s beliefs and we can even be respectfully critical but we must always be respectful. And you are, always. We each have the right to our own beliefs and, unless there is something harmful going on (ie Warren Jeffs), those beliefs should be respected. I really appreciate your coverage in telling these stories.
Thank you so much ❤️
The financial crimes he committed against the OG wives, especially what is disclosed this upcoming episode about the land and how much more $$ Meri and Janelle placed into the AZ property yet getting much less than Robyn/Kody wouldn't happen if they were all equal.
Glad you reviewed this video. I thought you were the perfect people to do this!
Thank you so much!
In the very first episode, Kody said he converted because he found a religion that would let him be polygamous - important choice of words. Thank you so much for pointing this out.
I would not call you an ex-polygamist, Sam. You never had plural wives.
In my understanding you are an ex-FLDS member.
Whatever you call yourself, you and Melissa are literally saving lives with your amazing work.
Thank you for all the passion and hard work.
Cody uses so many platitudes hoping that people will think he sounds smart
So, if everyone is remembering/telling the truth, Robyn was not great from the beginning. The other wives just wouldn't talk about it on screen. For example, Christine and Janelle said that their family habits of gathering for regular dinners and other traditions ended when Robyn came into the family.
Also - the first 3 wives went through poverty with Kody. Mykelti on her patreon told everyone how poor they were before the show and how they had to live off old bread. Robyn came into the family when they were prosperous do to the show. She never had to struggle with her kids - she never had to work outside the house and she also got a nanny for from the start. The original 3 had to go through a lot more things with Kody all those years that Robin never had to experience
I used to think what you guys think about Robyn, but when you mine the old episodes for how she kept her children away from the other wives and how she let Kody stay with her all the time while gaslighting everyone that he was splitting time.... it starts to come together. It's on the show but you have to watch with a careful eye to the lying.
As a Jew, drawing some conclusion from when Channukah fell is LUDICROUS.
Yes I noticed this too! He oft' acts like he's an expert on Judaism and so far there is no evidence for that in my view!
I think he picks and choose stuff he likes in any religion. When I notice he was doing this stuff... I'm like wow horrible you are taking from Jewish religion but bet he doesn't respect them or follow all the rules... cause he doesn't for his own... if you do stuff to be good fine... but come on don't do what he is doing.
Well, he is not alone in his unrequited love for Jewish culture, as a Christian... But WHY was his comment ludicrous? You did not explain.
Kody is creating a pick and mix fruit salad religion, all the while being really ignorant.
@@summerlake356 Because it is a lunasolar calendar that has changed over the years since Jesus was born.
Robyn came in and kept herself separate. She did not let Christine who had been the traditional child minder watch her kids. Kody took her on a 11 day honeymoon, the other women had 3 day roadtrip honey moons, and this was DAYS after Christine had just given birth. Robyn did nothing to encourage Kody to keep paying attention to his other wives and children. Robyn took advantage of her newness and Kody's affection, did not reprimand or encourage him to spend time with his other children.
It surprises me that you guys don’t see Robyn for what she is. I saw it from the very beginning. She is incredibly manipulative. She is good at making herself seem like she is encouraging Kody to work things out with the other wives but she is clearly passive aggressive about it. She gets little digs in towards the other wives all the time. And her insisting on an 11 day honeymoon when the other wives got just a couple of days. That’s so ridiculous.
She's a real damsel in distress, it's sad that she and Cody are those children's example of what men and women act like.
34:52 In some religious buildings, the doors were small to make the people 'bow'
I agree with you about Robyn.
In regards to Robyn being the villian, I too have gone back and forth in my opinion of her. I think the viewers give her way too much credit of having more forethought than she deserves. However, in the first few seasons (knowing what we know now) her actions in those early episodes do hit different. I do believe she is manipulative (intentional & unintentional) . Also, the inequitable treatment Kody gave her and her children, and then his children with her, as opposed to the other wives and children. It does appear that she enjoyed her privilege at the expense of the other wives and I think that in itself is why viewers have so much hate for her. I do think she lights a fire and then says she had no part in it.
After what she did to her last husband showed me how manipulating she is. With no regard of the feelings of her kids. And the purity speech clinched for me. The woman is whacko
You are spot on. She is a manipulative passive aggressive game player.
Yes, you are right. The main thing that made me think she was manipulating the family was when she and Kody got Meri to agree to the divorce. If it was all about plural, spiritual marriage she wouldn't have needed to be married. Kody didn't need to marry Robyn to look after her children either. What she did get out of it was legal rights.
@@angelacraw2907 yes and then she puts on the puppy dog eyes like she's really sad and upset to be the only wife left standing. I feel sorry for Meri waiting for cody to take her back.
From the first seasons of the series, Robyn's behavior towards the children of other wives has stuck in my mind. The family was not wealthy at the time and it was not easy for the children when the father brought a new wife into the family with three children, a lot of debts and no job, and wanted to spend most of his time with his new family. Moving to Las Vegas was practically like a divorce for the children: the children were separated from their siblings and the father had a new family. Robyn showed no sympathy whatsoever in the situation. On the contrary, she complained basically all the time about everything; the other wives and the children were not respectful enough towards her, did not take her feelings and desires into account enough. A person who is an adult and a parent in a family should never treat minors this way. But Robyn was all that mattered to Robyn.
Watching how you two discuss your differences in opinions speaks volumes as to why Kody doesn’t have healthy relationships.
Oh my gosh I appreciate you doing this but I cannot watch Kody Brown preach the gospel of Kody Brown. He is so full of baloney it makes my skin crawl. Of course he only wanted to do the reality show for the good of polygamy. Yeah I believe that. It’s all about 💰 and his gigantic ego.
Kody has definitely hurt the case for polygamy. In my opinion he has strung along the first three wives to help pay for a monogamist lifestyle with his jeans model. His first three wives work in MLMs and the equity that went into their Vegas homes are now in Robin’s house. Dislike for Robyn has to do with Kodys mistreatment. I think in this day and age it is a hard to imagine that women have so few freedoms. It is easier to blame Robyn instead of seeing her as another victim of polygamy.
Robyn is not a victim. She has never lived the polygamous lifestyle. Grody has been all up in her since she entered the picture. She didn't share children or a husband. She's only been interested in having the other women around because they bring home the bacon and she sits home on her butt. The money is the only communal thing she is involved in...using THEIR money.
ROBEM IS NOT A VICTIM OF POLYGAMY. SHE IS A PERPETRATOR OF FRAUD.
Meri, Janelle and Christine all had to work. Robyn came in and would just put her bills on the counter to be paid by the family. She’s never actually had to work like the other women.
Even working for the series, Robyn put in minimal appearances as well as her children. I don’t think the series ever saw the inside of her house until just recently.
Or even take care of her own children
I love when RFM presses Kody on ‘in sacred loneliness’ and Kody immediately back peddles. I know RFM was thinking ‘ya Kody since it isn’t an applicable term for your situation…stop bringing it up..’
While she was not overtly "villainous," Robyn did come into the family without contributing anything to support it. She never worked to contribute financially, and she never helped with care of the other children. To sap resources without actively helping replenish them is manipulative and underhanded.
Yeas Robyn didn't include her sister wives in her kids' lives. She got a nanny instead of her sister wives she wouldn't watch their kids, and they weren't aloud to watch her kids a nanny did the bonding, not the wives.
She never had a sister wife relationship with them
I blame the other wives who did not take a stand. She should only be entitled to whatever they acquired since she entered the marriage. The first wives and Kody would be entitled to assets that they acquired and at the end they get what’s theirs and Kody and Robyn can move forward with Their assets as a legal couple
I RECALLED WHEN THEY WERE MOVING FROM UTAH AND THE STRUGGLE THAT KODY HAD AS A MAN. IT SEEMED UNBEARABLE FOR ONE PERSON TO BE PHYSICALLY DOING SO MUCH WHILE AS WOMEN THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO APPLY THE PHYSICAL SUPPORT, I WATCHED HIM LOOKING EXTREMELY EXHAUSTED AND HAVING TO CHANGE A TIRE AMONG OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN EASIER IF HE HAD HELP . I SAW HIS FRUSTRATION AND AT TIMES A BIT OF RESENTMENT AND I WONDERED WHY WOULD THIS MADE SENSE TO ANYONE.
The women could not make Kody happy based upon the type of marriage of several women and one man
I DO BELIEVE THAT KODY IS BEING HONEST AT THIS POINT, HOWEVER, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE DIVIDING OF ASSETS IS FAIR AFTER MANY YEARS OF MARRIAGE AND COMMITMENT BY THE THREE FIRST WIVES
I grew up Baptist, am nondenominational now, but I grew up saying Heavenly Father mostly when praying.
I also grew up Southern Baptist, we used "Heavenly Father" a lot as well. However, unlike how they said Mormons view it as more respectful, I always felt that term wad more intimate.
My opinion with Robyn with being manipulating was in season 1 with the whole wedding dress thing. I believe she acted that she didn't want Kody to tell the other wives, but she knew what she was doing and didn't care.
All the wives were in shock and Christine was heart broken, because she never had that intimacy with Kody regarding their marriage since she was the 3rd wife.
Also, none of the wives got a 2 week honeymoon, but Robyn!
She needed it! Whatever 😂
She kicked the dog 🤬🤬🤬
Do you think the wedding dress situation could have been a result of the production?
OMG I read these childhood books, a series called Little House on the Prairie. I toured the Laura and Almonzo Wilder home in Missouri, and Almonzo built the house for Laura.... WHO WAS FOUR FOOT TEN. And I think he was 5'1"! Everything like the height of the kitchen counters was TINY! Surreal. Back before there were standardized sizes for things. It was all so odd, I felt like a giant, and I'm only 5'6"!
What I'd love to tour this. I read that series with so much interest.
If you visit the Alamo you can see Davy Crocket’s vest. It’s extremely small, about a women’s size 4.
@@paulamacdonald7070 It’s in Mansfield Mo. This is where she wrote the books. The thing that got me: Pa’s fiddle is there! 😊
That's interesting. Biblically we know where being tall comes from. Scary thought.
I used to be a pretty strong Robyn supporter…until I watched the series through for a second time. For some reason, it suddenly became very apparent to me that Robyn NEVER ONCE acknowledged that anything was her fault. Never once. In fact, she could somehow turn any situation into HER being the victim, no matter what she had done to contribute to the situation. It blew my mind that her manipulation had worked on me the first time I viewed the series. Now, I would never claim that she is evil, or even a terrible person. However, she is truly one of the most selfish, quietly manipulative people I have ever seen on television.
“quietly manipulative” I like that
That was the most fair recap of that interview I’ve seen. Typically, the coverage I see in general of sister wives is click bait like they watch for that snippet that can be used to ignite controversy. I very much enjoyed your coverage.
Two things: first, y’all have the smartest, most insightful and also graceful commentary on the internet.
Second: I don’t understand how Jesus fits into mainstream LDS and FLDS. Do they believe in the trinity? And if you’re going to the celestial kingdom, will Jesus be there, and are you equal to Jesus? To God the father? I will try to remember to submit this when you have an AMA, but I wanted to throw it out there in case anyone can answer.
These are such amazing questions, I just put it down on our list of videos to make! Who is God within Fundamental Mormonism. Stay tuned!
They do not believe in the Trinity or that salvation is through grace alone. They claim they are Christians, but mainstream Christian's do not consider Mormons Christians. Honestly, to hear all the heresy they proclaim is Christianity is disgusting.
We believe that the Father son and spirit are three separate beings that work in tandem
Mormons do not believe Jesus is the eternal existing son of God, but just another created being like Lucifer 🤡
I gotta give it to Kody. He almost filled me but then the mask fell right back off 😂😂😂
I think people forget that BEFORE the tv show there was 15 long.....years of disfunction. Each wife has spoken about this. Meri, Janelle & Christine. There were such hard times, and when Robyn came along and the going public, the cracks could not be hidden. Three women and 1 man went into a public forum and gained a fourth wife with heavy baggage already. Polygamy does not work, everyone played a part in this!!
Bingo!! Also these people are so brain washed they think what they had was “working” I’m from the AUB group and it is so pathetically dysfunctional.
The other wives should thank Robyn for getting them out of the marriage, she actually did the a service
The children remember. The hard times, the Hunger! It's really sad and disgraceful that this show has sat back and filmed the pain and destruction of this family
The "Women have to Obey "also goes along in spousal abuse! Any man believing he is the boss and you must do as you're told.
OK Just Admit that it's a Cult. It's Wrong.
I’ll be curious if you change your mind about Robyn eventually. I thought she was great at first too. Over time I saw things that changed my view. She held a grudge against hunter for struggling with so many changes in the family and put a sign on her fridge that the other wives kids were not to touch any food in her fridge without asking. Eventually I came to realize she treated some of the original kids unfairly and Kody backed her on it. Ultimately it’s on him but I don’t think she’s nearly as innocent and she claims to be.
I always take these reality shows with a grain of salt. When "Wife Swap" came to Michigan, my son got work as an extra on the show. His friend's mother's salon was used as a set for a haircut, and my son was in the background getting his hair cut. He was amazed at how scripted everything was. The director would coach them to "Get more angry" and the entire situation was pretty much made up.
I was general manager of a facility that Wife Swap contracted to use when they came to Iowa and part of the early talks to the contracts to being part of the filming and OMG it’s ALL 100% scripted.
If there’s anything I know positively about Cody is, he’s not a religious man in any fashion. He’s proved that himself many many times. But he is a user of the religions. And my book.
I love that you watched it at 1.5x speed. Kody actually sounds like a normal person at that speed. He clearly overthinks every single thing that he says. Yet at the same time he needs to think more.
Regarding the title Heavenly Father, I grew up Baptist and nearly every time we prayed we started with “Dear Heavenly Father”, but in conversation we did refer to Him as God. Very interesting to learn this about LDS.
I'm not Mormon. My husband has another wife. I understand where there OG3 come from. I also know what it's like to not get equal time or love due to another. I don't wish this on ANYONE. I'm trying to figure out how to leave. It's not as easy as you would think. There are bills to consider. How do I live if I take their debt with me on top of my debt? I'm willing to talk to someone for help with this. Please don't attack me. I'm terrified by posting this. I don't have any friends to turn to. Please help.
I don’t really know but I had to comment because you deserve support!! In the current episodes they mention raising donations to an organization in Utah that helps polygamists leave and I think they provide housing as well. So maybe check into that? They mention the name of the charity at the beginning of the podcast. I’m sorry I don’t have any other ideas but I do feel sympathy for your plight.
Hey, start praying is my first and best advice. No religion, just figuring out what God wants for you. Find a women’s shelter and get help putting things in motion. You may have to file bankruptcy. It’s not the end of the world. I’ll be praying for you. There’s a way out, and you can find it. Don’t give up.
I have heard horror stories so that the husband of the polygamist wife , is in charge of the money , the wife may get food stamps ,but the husband takes the money and food stamps and children are not fed properly , The husband can just not take care of his children with a wife he does not care for, like Cody did with JanelleS daughter, did not even give her a Christmas present.
I’m LDS. I have an understanding that we are not expected to achieve perfection in this life time. It doesn’t hurt to try n live your best life being the best person you can be.
I have followed the Brown family for many years. My engagement with the show wained during the Covid years. When when I tuned back in I was kind of surprised to see that it had all fallen apart. But then it occurred to me, the most devoted small monogamous families, with the most love and happiness struggled hard during the Covid years. Many didn’t make it. There were fissures in my own immediate family and my extended family both during the Covid years. Between the lock downs, the vaxx & mask mandates, the school closures, the job loss, the economic hits, and more, it was a very hard time to stay intact for even a small family. I barely made it out of Covid married. It made us all see, really see, the ugliest parts of our spouses, parents, siblings, children, and extended family. There was a seismic shift in friendships, allies, enemies, in groups, and out groups. I think that Covid ruined this family the same as it ruined families all over the planet. We all just got to see this one in real time. I don’t know anyone who came out of the christmas season of 2021 without scars.
I didn't see that during covid, no-one I know ended their relationships or had marriage breakdowns. It was very difficult for lots of people for all sorts of people but it didn't cause that for most. This family had already fallen apart before Covid, Christine was leaving and Meri and Kody hadn't had an intimate relationship for years and he said he didn't love her.
@@powderandpaint14 true, but the not inviting unless you wear a mask, or take the vaxx, or quarantine for X amount of time, or take this precaution or that precaution, that kind of stuff damaged lots of healthy relationships. Then when you pile all that on top of relationships with preexisting cracks in them already, it is even worse. And that stuff happened with this famiky. That is what I am saying. I am glad you didn’t experience any of that. I sure did, and from famiky & friends that I never would have expected to see it from.
Almost no one ever, ever, ever comments on vocabulary in comments, and rightly so. But "fishers" was so interesting and brought me to a complete stop wondering what the fishers were up to. Then "fissures" dawned on me. Sorry if I'm being rude. It just put me on a momentary fun sidetrack. Enjoyed your comment and your charity.
The covid era was harsh but people had their ways to see each other if they wanted. Outdoors or wearing masks or keeping distances etc. Covid didn't stop people from seeing each other for good even though it changed the ways of interaction for some time. For Kody and Robyn covid was a welcomed excuse to exclude everyone. They had been monogamous in their hearts for the past decade and now they were permitted to be it openly.
@@sleepycalico hmmm, I appreciate your comment. I love language, But the written word has always been my downfall. Thank you for the correction. I am going to edit.
You'll just skipped past the fact that this man just said that his family was getting in the way of him living polygamy
This is the first time Kody has been honest that he married over and over because he's just a slimy horndog.
I am a former member of a group that may have been the Catholic equivalent to the FLDS (no polygamy but plenty of anti semitism and still lots of abuse to make up for it, one of my therapists called it a cult but I’m reluctant to do so because I was able to easily walk away from it) and I’ve been listening to that podcast for a while because I’ve found I have many similarities with ex-Mormons in general (and there isn’t a whole lot of material specifically for us ex-Catholics) so it’s interesting to hear your take on that episode, never watched SisterWives but have heard of Kody’s doings through other channels.
IKody stepped on a stage in 2007, Robyn separated in 2007, Robyns marriage was finalized in 2009, Kody's show starts ifilming in 2009 airs in 2010. Pretty sure Robyn planned all of it!
This was really insightful as far as the religious aspect of the conversation, thank you! While I 💯 agree with you that the main problem in this family was bringing a young wife into an established 15 year marriage as well as Kody’s behavior toward Robyn; there have still been instances where it is clear Robyn was working with Kody for an individual marriage and never in accordance with the other wives. The wedding dress, the pregnancy immediately upon arriving in Vegas before even having dwellings were the first two clear manipulations and then over the years there have been many clear discrepancies between how Robyn wanted and did raise her children compared to and in some cases, against, the original wives’ values. Although the COVID rules may not have been Robyn’s, there is no doubt they were clearly inspired by Robyn’s beliefs and fears. Lastly, Robyn’s manipulation of Kody’s time by letting him know her kids couldn’t be without him for more than two days, even when both his child and grandchild were going through life altering surgeries.
I found this interesting. I feel like it gives a lot of context to some of his actions when you realize how he is in the middle of a Faith crisis and no doubt has been for the last several years. That's no small ordeal and it steals the footing out from under you. Absolutely does not justify any of his behaviors but it does explain a few things to me.
I have always been interested in this show, not for the soap opera drama of it all, but the theological thought behind it. I never watched it, but only clips here and there. The pure drama of it all is too much for me. This discussion fulfilled more of my underlying curiosity. You two did an amazing job of presenting this in an interesting discussion. The thoughts lacked judgment but provided special insight. Thank you!
Man. That was a lot. Seems like he's only very vaguely Mormon at this point.
I would love a video on how to respectfully talk to your LDS friends and family while still asking questions.
I REALLY LOVED THIS EPISODE!!
I’m from a city in Texas, approximately 40 miles due North of Houston, and we really don’t have a heavy Mormon community here. I’ve honestly only known maybe 3 Mormon followers personally in my entire life (43 yrs). That being the case, I don’t have a very broad base of knowledge concerning the Mormon faith.
I felt like y’all shed more light on the principles of the faith for me, in a mere 57 minutes into this video, than I have gleaned from countless hours of watching other videos by other creators. It may simply be the fact that y’all aren’t trying to disparage their belief system, but neither do y’all seem to be promoting it. I have a difficult time listening to content creators that seek only to attack a specific faith, because I don’t respond well to criticism of something that others are so passionate about. On the other hand, as a Southern Baptist, who grew up attending a private Christian school (with an obvious Biblical foundation), I also don’t appreciate having another religion “forced down my throat.”
I genuinely feel that you two do a great job of presenting facts, and even presenting explanations as to the beliefs and behaviors associated with the Mormon faith, without an uncomfortable, overt bias in either direction.
I just wanted to commend the two of you 😊❤
"its almost like I have tourette's, it just triggers me" that just means he has the self control of a 5 year old!
Robyn is so manipulative. You guys are blind. She wouldn't allow her children to spend time with the rest of the family. She pretends to be all in but never did anything to become a sister wife. She insisted on being the legal wife, which now gives her power that the others don't have. She brought debt into the marriage and NEVER contributed financially.
She has manipulated her own children too. Just wowed that you can't see this. Better get busy watching more seasons.
He tries so hard to let us all know how intelligent he is. Unfortunately, he comes across as a total wannabe. It is a show. He turns my stomach.
Love your show! Fairest, not overly judgmental. My favorite! (Beside cults to consciousness)
Thank you so much! ❤️
How did y'all miss her kicking the family dog in Season 2 Episode 9. Kicking an animal, especially an established family pet, shows how deeply ugly a person's soul truly is.
It has been removed i think
@@ingridgodelieve902, the internet never forgets.
I just went on to watch it and they removed it!Episode nine is gone
I’m a new subscriber or am I? I’ve apparently been subscribed to you both for some time.. However, I just found you .. today.
I’ve been watching “Sister Wives” for a long time. I was absolutely glued to your channel from beginning to end. I just found it all so very informative and quite frankly super interesting.
Thank you both for a fascinating dive into this culture.
Thank you so much for watching! We're glad you enjoyed it 😊
Wouldn't you think this man might communicate with his wives about living in one big house before spending thousands on a design plan? Of course not, because Kody the narcissistic husband doesn't communicate then calls them disloyal for not blessing his ideas. This was in Vegas where all the family weekly dinners had stopped because Robyn didn't want them and Kody was always at her house but couldn't understand why the other wives were always mad. KnR were cooking up the plan to move to Flagstaff so Kody could get control of the other wives money.
I don't think the public started turning on Robyn until Christine left. That's when I noticed it. She's extremely passive aggressive.
Could you guys do an episode on the 'RLDS' ? I've never heard that term before
Robyn always wanted to be on tv, Kody LOVES the sound of his own voice and having all eyes on him. If teasing another wife keeps them in front of the cameras and a paycheck coming in, of course they’ll at least pretend to go after another woman !
Fun fact: a lot of the homes built 100 years ago or more in the United States, are wooden homes with no concrete foundation. That results in the home slowly composting at ground level and slowly shrinking in height. I have had the thought before that people must have been shorter back in the day. And then I learned that the homes are just sinking!
I truly truly appreciate so much how you guys conduct yourselves on This channel. I don’t feel my beliefs being attacked or belittled. So I have a few thoughts. I agree with Kody on a very few things, unfortunately the following stupid things he said made me forget what they were. Secondly maybe I have the wrong mindset, but I don’t live plural marriage to perfect myself, I am trying to overcome my earthly weaknesses, I’m trying to weed out my selfish desires. I don’t view that as striving for perfection. Yes Jesus died so that we will be forgiven, but remember many times in the Bible He says go and sin no more, which I really feel that’s overlooked. I’m simply trying to sin no more.
As far as having a successful happy plural marriage really comes down to every person in the relationship needs to be willing to give up a little bit of themselves.
If one wife is super happy and the other one isn’t but is still there, maybe the husband needs to ask himself why.
Kody drives me nuts with his exclusive thesaurus that doesn’t make any sense.
It makes me so sad when people use the word cult descriptive of any religion.
In conclusion, I’ve learned nothing new about my faith from Kody Brown.
Thank you so much! This means so much to us ❤️
It's wonderful that you watch these videos and try to see things from a broad perspective. It is wonderful that you analyze your marriage and your faith and strive to make the people in your marriage happy.
Not all religions are cults. One special feature of a cult is that the lives of the people who belong to it are very precisely regulated and determined by the church/church leaders.
All the best for you!
Scientology is most definitely a cult but it doesn’t deserve to be called a “religion”. They only do that for the tax exempt status. That’s the one major exception to me as far as a religion being a cult.
Oh dear lord, Robyn was NEVER A MODEL!
Every time I hear this I am lmao
I read a book a book three years ago... Anna Lebaron "The Polygamist's Daughter". Anna was the daughter of Ervil Lebaron... They did a movie about his story "The Prophet of Evil" (starring Brian Dennehy and William Devane) .. Anna Lebaron is related to Christine Brown of "Sister Wives". Ervil Lebaron makes Warren Jeffs look like a saint. Wondering if you have read her book or dived into that whole story.
I read it, too, and I'm glad you asked Sam and Melissa about it!
Hi! Thanks for the question. We have only heard of the movie but have not seen it or read the book. We will add it to our list now. Thanks!
Robyns perfect? That is the RED FLAG!
Wow, was not expecting to EaVER hear Kody admit some of the things he did in this interview!😳 I think I am in shock! Sobyn must be making him go to therapy!💯 Also feels like they got a PR team that is actually trying to help his image now that him & the wives are so seperate. I think they all used the same PR before. I have notived it does seem like they are all using seperate teams now. Still think he's a narcissist thru & thru tho. Loved this video, one of the best yous have put out on Kody & the show to date! I guess we owe that to Kody since was actually honest for once!💯❤
How did you not comment on his “I finally was successful. I got a Diesel jean model”?? It’s so petty and disgusting and really shows how narcissistic he is.
It’s not just about FAITH but the ability to be the husband of several women and manage it successfully, financially, emotionally and otherwise
What about her never working, the dress, the kisses (even after she knew how much it hurt Christine) 11 day honeymoon ( the other wife's got a 2 day road trip), her having a nanny. The list goes on.
Robyn making sure on many occasions to interrupt the little time the others had with Kody, with fake needy items, and texting him, to come back to her place, or showing up at theirs with a shallow excuse. The fake crying when she didn't get her own way and is about to be held accountable for her actions. The manipulations just go on and on with her.
@@mrsmomstheword1 Yes exactly. You nailed it.
@1:00. Defining success in marriage as staying together is typical of monogamous marriage too. I know 0 polygamists. I know sooooo many people who have unhappy marriages but consider divorce a failure so they stay trapped in that dynamic. I know so many women whose self esteem is wrecked by a divorce. I went to a Catholic wedding where a grandparent of one of the newlyweds gave a speech about the importance of marriage being forever, was asked, "you've been together 50+ years, what's your secret?" The answer: "Well, we didn't think there was any alternative." ... This was presented as inspiring, and I was scratching my head. Honestly, although I know people in happy marriages, I don't understand what the concept of marriage is adding to those relationships. When a relationship lasts 10 or 30 or 50 years, that's worth celebrating! All that fixating on 50 years from the beginning does is make people reluctant to leave the bad relationships; I don't see how it adds anything to the good ones. ... It appears to me that the valuing of longevity over quality is inherent to the idea of marriage as such, not just to polygamy. I say this with all due respect to the people in my life who really cherish the idea of marriage, but I feel it's worth pointing out on behalf of all the people who could have been happier without that concept dominating their goals and ideas of a successful life.
Seems like the only aspect of the religion Kody was interested in was the multiple wives, watching the show its clear they didn't practice all aspects of the religion only the parts they wanted to, alcohol and caffeine are both frowned upon in both the LDS and the AUB, family involvement is encouraged strongly in both, started the seasons strong it that aspect but in later seasons that went out the window completely. I have many friends in the LDS church and they have family night and numerous activities during the week they attend. I dont agree with their religion but do admire how family is really important.
Family is not important to them. If your child leaves you berate them. If your child is gay you throw them out. They lock their teens up in camps out in the wilderness for not obeying absolutely. You’re delusional if you think family is important to your Mormon buddies.
@@NormaJean951 my Mormon friends have a child who came out as Trans where the church doesn't support them their parents do, Mormons like every other religion have levels of personal beliefs that differ from their religious, not all Mormons are hard core. Im saying my friends have a strong belief in their family whether they would have it involved in any other religion perhaps, to call some delusional because of having friends that belong to a religion and admire their strong family values is pretty ignorant, I said friend not the religion which is something I personally don't agree with, I personally judge the person and not their religious beliefs.
If you say something you regret, say so and move on. I'm sorry for whatever , I regret I did and or said that and move on.
I absolutely love you two; honest, SO INFORMATIVE, and just beautifully done- every interview, every video. (Always thought provoking!)Thank you.
Loving the interviews u guys have been doing and also loving the sister wives videos!
Thank you! 😊
Since Kody talks about evolutionary psychology, and that's more or less what my degree is in (environmental biology and psychology), I'll touch on this. There does seem to be a benefit to men sleeping around and fathering as many children as possible. That is why these men exist. However, human children take an INCREDIBLE amount of time, effort, and resources to raise, and it is very beneficial to have more than one parent raising them, especially if those parents are able to create a consistent and loving atmosphere for the children. When we use the phrase "survival of the fittest", we're not actually referring to physical fitness or the stronger man winning a deadly fight or anything like that. We're referring to ecological fitness, which is essentially a measure of the number of offspring that live to reproductive age. So survival of the fittest isn't really about the survival of any one individual, but a survival of the genes that get passed on to the next generation. Anything that increases that ecological fitness will get passed on, so if a person is genetically inclined to father as many children as possible with many different women and at least one of them survives to reproductive age and has at least one child, whatever genes that may have promoted that behavior will be passed on. But the reality is that humans do much better with consistency, and the kids of monogamous, committed parents are much more likely to survive to reproductive age and have children who also survive to reproductive age, etc. So some men are naturally inclined to reproduce with as many women as they can, but many (probably most) men aren't. Just like some people have blue eyes and some have brown.
Yeah but that was BEFORE we were even HUMANS- and then the social system was all worked out when humans lived collectively in tribes and small villages. NOW we live in ever increasing cities and have huge mobility…For me as a woman…being single -staying single definitely has had an advantage. And the breakdown of my toxic family was a good thing. -So all opposite of what I was told to expect. Single at 62 and watching the wrecks of my friends marriages-feels like I dodged a bullet. 2 friends were killed by their husbands. So we don’t know what to expect right now from evolution. I do think it’s interesting that we caught the DNA sequencing at a pivotal time before every nation’s cultural groups were dispersed and remixed. Population dilution is sad but also interesting.
thanx for this........this explains a lot, Kody does not believe anymore and that is why he acts as he does, that's very deep.
You both are absolutely amazing!!! I just “stumbled” upon your channel! Your viewpoint, the fact that you are married with “lived experience” of both the LDS and UEB!!!! What a gift you have given us! Cannot wait to watch all your videos!🥰👍
Thank you so so much! 😊❤️
Hi. Bi sexual here. I just wanted to say that I find both men and women attractive but the only person I want to or try to sleep with is my wonderful husband of 10 years. You can be both attracted to people and completely faithful to a monogamous relationship. I don't know if he thinks being attracted to someone is cheating? But it is offensive to hear a grown man be so immature about sexuality. 🙄 thanks for coming to my TED talk lol
Kodys logic is all over the place
It makes me mad when he lies about the other wives. They did not get an 11 day honeymoon like Robyn did. And Christine had just had a baby at the time. I think the other wives got 2 or 3 days and it was at a beach location.
And a car trip
Monogamous/bonded animals include swans, European beavers, bald eagles, coyotes, Canadian geese, puffins, California condors, gentoo penguins, albatrosses, gibbons and more. These are animals know that two parents are required to raise their offspring successfully. Monogamy for the survival of their bloodlines. From what I've seen polygamy focuses on the number of children not the emotional and physical health of the children that you have.
I think if you look back Christine has always been the most honest.
Thank you both for your thoughtful commentary.
I personally disliked Robyn from very early in the show, but it had nothing to do with her destroying the family. I thought her treatment of the other wives' children was emotionally abusive. By season 2 she seemed to have singled out Hunter as a personal nemesis with how often she would complain about his face and existence bothering her. There was also a scene that was quietly removed that looked like Robyn kicked the dog in the background. You could probably have only seen it if you watched live which I did. I think a lot of Robyn's more egregious behavior towards animals and kids was quietly removed by the show after the backlash. I think in season 6 she said she regrets having her three oldest children and that they were a horrible mistake that ruined her purity. Let me know if that's tones down now.
The family was possibly falling apart no matter what though. And frankly I don't think most of the parents treated the kids well. That show was uncomfortable to watch and Robyn was only part of it.
The dog kicking scene also spoke volumes for me. A lot of people posted slow motion videos. She kicked him so hard he recoiled. It was an old family dog that was put to sleep at the home later. The diesel jeans model doesn’t impress me.
Ok the Robyn thing started from day 1, she demanded equal time before marriage, lied about the wedding dress, kissed Kody while Christine was in labor, refused to allow her kids to be watched by the og wives, had to have an 11 day honeymoon where the OG wives got a couple days at most, how shes leading poor Meri on for a decade when Kody is ignoring her, bot working, kept Meri from going back to college, its all there.
Yep. When it happened I didn’t catch it because I wanted to like the family but it’s all painfully clear in hindsight.
They definitely smashed before marriage so add that
And here's also how Robyn treated the family's children, whom she attacked because in her mind they didn't treat her with enough respect and praise. They were children! And it was a tough experience for them to move to Vegas, to be separated from each other and their friends. But no, Robyn only saw herself in everything. Only she was important.
You guys are the only experts here on YT on this as far as I’m concerned. Ty.
I did not see Robyn as the “villain” either for the first few seasons. I honestly thought Meri was the troublesome one. It wasn’t until they moved to Vegas and Robyn got pregnant that I started noticing things with her. And then in later seasons she will play dumb when someone calls her out for her behavior, she almost gaslights the other women.
Kody has always given me the feeling that he wasn’t in polygamy for the “right” reasons, and he has given me a creepy feeling since the beginning. He just always seemed to be acting the life and not as genuine as other LDS appear to be. In the beginning I never felt he wanted to start the show to shed light on living polygamy but I have felt like he started the show for the money and fame aspect. Maybe way back in the day he started polygamy because it was what he thought he was supposed to do but I don’t feel he was deeply called to follow the life, more like he did it’s because he was “supposed” to watch to.
Keep watching. The problematic elements were in place from the beginning but it was subtle. In this interview Kody acts like his honeymoon with Robyn was equivalent but it wasn’t. The rest had local long weekends. Robyn had 11 days in Hawaii. Robyn called Kody back to her for “emergencies” on other wives dedicated time and insisted Kody not ever spend more than 2 nights at a time away from her house because her little children need him. Meanwhile Truley is around the same age and now has less time with her dad.
The Bible teaches that each persons salvation is individual and not reliant on another person. I wonder how many women would choose polygamy if they knew that truth.
Your discussion on the word cult was a new perspective, thank u for sharing your take on it. Great episode ❤
I just found your channel and have only watched one video so far but I really like seeing your perspective, especially having grown up in different forms of the Mormon faith.
Robin had kids when they got marrie. How could she take a two week honeymoon, when one of the other wives just had a baby.
Because Ribyn and Kody are selfish!!!
It is called conceded!