I’m a Z6 shooter and the autofocus is rock solid. I’m questioning your settings and “know how” on all these cameras frankly. If you’re not shooting with them for extended periods of time really learning the camera and how it does things (like AF) these reviews become less and less valuable. Maybe bring on some people who use each system exclusively and is more proficient about the ones you clearly don’t use all the time or at all.
Exactly my thought. Just because it works differently than the Canon or Sony, it doesn't mean it is worse. You need to learn the individual system instead of expecting that it's the same as everyone else.
The Nikon AF is not rock solid. It might be for "what you do", but you have to accept in a broader range of conditions it can have issues. The AF test in the above video had a model in extremely harsh and changing lighting (something I'm sure you would not generally be doing on a paid job) and she was walking in and out of harsh light and heavy patchy shadows. It was a real AF stress test. Most AF systems struggle in backlit and harsh lighting situations. I have several cameras which give me virtually 100% hit rate, but I'm being selective in the conditions I shoot in. In the harsh conditions shown above, I know without bias my AF would fail at least some of the time.
@@TaipeiGeek Err, lower hit rate doesn't mean it's worse? Lol. Nikon fanboys sure hate it when Nikons don't win. Want to see in 60 seconds what was proven in this video? Set your Nikon AF up however you like and have a subject walk through alternating backlighting to harsh patchy lighting to deep shadows (lack of lighting). Your AF will have a much poorer hit rate then you're used to. This was a real AF stress test. Fortunately, you won't normally be shooting in these conditions (if ever) and your hit rate will be far higher, generally. Keeping it real though, in every AF test I've watched online, the Nikon usually comes third.
Great test. If Nikon had a flippy screen, it could have won and became the go-to camera for all vloggers and youtubers. But everyone thinks it's the Canon or the Sony now. Nikon is a hidden gym, you only know how good it is once you buy it and use it. Those little z mount f1.8 lenses are amazing and produce amazing shots. Glad I changed to Nikon from Canon and Olympus.
Considering all the Nikon FX lens I have it would have be a Nikon Z camera for me when I buy with adapter, partly for the video. Great to know the photos look great also with very good high ISO.
In All Fairness pretty sure since this Video was made 9 months ago Nikon has already resolved any Focus Problems because every other review I see is Saying how Great it is LOL
@@dancygr Personally.. I have been LOVING this camera. Low light is great.. AF is AMAZING... ergonomics are top notch. I can use ALL my good EF-L glass. It literally checks all my boxes
The nikon takes a few setting tweeks before the auto focus performs very good. Not sure if you guys used the out the box settings... I think the auto focus works amazing. The ibis of the nikon and iso look better to me.
The ISO definitely wasn't the best in this video comparison. The IBIS was very close to the Canon's and definitely ahead of the Sony. The AF is definitely behind the pack, as has been demonstrated in many online videos. It's getting there, but it's not there yet.
Autofocus has been solid on the Z6 II for me. I cannot complain. I can only assume like many others in the comments that your results are down to user error. The Z6 II and Z 50mm f1.2 S combo has been giving me outstanding results.
@@russellwright9961 Which is clear. It should be a disclaimer. There can’t be a rule against love. The love biases can be put down as a line like “Includes Paid Promotion”. I suggest writing “We Personally Prefer Canon”. That’s just allows POVs a better space.
I've only owned D40x, D7000, D750, and Z6, but have used many other DSLRs and MLCs, and my Z6 is by far the best auto focusing camera I've used. I hate to be that guy, but are you sure you know what you're doing? The negative rhetoric about the Z cameras autofocus seems so crazy, if I hadn't used the things I'd be put off trying by all the youtube videos slating it. There are a lot of customisability options and button configurations that enable much better tracking etc
The Nikon is good but the other were Just better. So why are you trying to make the reviewer bad? They are using just standard preferences and get the showed results
@@airb1976 I have nothing against Slanted Lens or JP, they go through so much gear it's hard to get to know each one intimately. It's just important for potential buyers to not conclude after watching something like this "I need good autofocus therefore I need the Canon" because that's the impression this video gives and it's not true.
We worked with the Nikon for a week before doing the review. And the reality is that it performed great. Just not quite as good as the Canon for the autofocus.
@@TheSlantedLens I guess when people say their camera is the best its because they've not compared to others out there like you've done.. so I really won't argue over it - the concept of best camera is absolutely SUBJECTIVE...
Same here. Autofocus, especially eye AF has been solid for me on the Z6 II. Must be user error because like you, almost all of the photos I take are razor sharp on the eyes. One thing I’ve notice with the Z6 II, after using the original Z6, is that I’m getting most shots bang on the pupil, while the Z6 had a tendency to focus on the eye lash.
Good review guys! As a long time Nikon shooter, I can confirm that the standard video profiles tend to have sharpening turned up. The “flat” picture profile is probably the most balanced for most people. Like the AF setup, the out of box settings need tweaking to get the best results.
Oooh, I only just realised this, I do use an L bracket on my Z6 and it would be a pain . Although I would like a Panasonic S1 style screen that can also flip to the side for portrait off angles
I agree with you. Flip-out screens are important for vloggers, but I shoot portraits, landscapes, and real estate. Tilt screens are what I prefer. However, I wouldn’t mind the tilt out screens as the LUMIX S1/S1R cameras have .
@@ppjamieson if you use a camera for an event then you're gonna have a bad time with that 1 hour limit. Most events do last more than that. If you use it as a hobby, then you should be fine.
@@TheSlantedLens OK, this is just unserious. "Most people" don't shoot 30 minutes interviews. And if they do - get a Ninja V. Problem solved. R6 is an extremely capable video camera.
I’m disappointed. I don’t think it was fair - you didn’t use Nikon 50 1.2 and at the same time you took Canon pro glass? All three brands have native 35 1.8 - why you didn’t take those for your test? Please repeat the testing as now it’s worthless in my opinion. Colors, contrast, sharpness and AF speed in Nikon 50 1.2 is stellar that’s the only lens that can compete with Canon 50 1.2
@@russellwright9961 I say that nikon public relations do not know how to "manage" vloggers in the right way ... it is too evident that in a very short time every new release of nikono was criticized in an exasperated way ... even a famous vblogger among other things Sony ambassador advised against the purchase !!! there is a huge difference between sattolineare the defects of a product and advise against its purchase ... justifiable only with "other" REASONS
Thanks for the comparison guys! I think the Sony performed better in the over exposure test because the images were already dark which I think contributed to preserving highlight detail. I've got a Nikon Z5 to go along w/ my D800 and have really enjoyed using it for family photos.
This video is miss leading, because canon Dynamic range is 13.4 while z6 dynamic range is 14.3, so how it shows less dynamic range that the canon. The AF of z6ii is very good especially after latest firmware as well as the r6 does not over heat after the latest firmware
I agree that 3 cameras to compare is enough, but looking at how good f.e. the S5 from Panasonic is, I would have loved to see that in the comparison aswell. The X-T4 would have been a well versed contender aswell, but since it's not FF I can see why and how I might not fit this comparison.
I Would go with the R6, when I film I use an Atomic Ninja V extended recorder so the overheating and the 30 min limit don’t bother me. I have a R5 today and it’s really impressive
@@dancygr I think you're missing the point that you would lose all photo capabilities if you were a hybrid shooter. And you would still want to use something like a ninja system with the C70 so you have to factor in the price on both
@@dancygr most professional cinema cameras use an external recorder. It’s a big profit to do so. The ninja V is 599 dollars and it’s totally worth the money. If you have not read the benefits with atoms external recorders then RUclips it. I will not use the internal recording unless I do 8k or 4K and 120fps
@@dancygr the screen on the ninja is better than the C70 monitor... so if you record outside on a sunny day it’s a big different and you also save battery on the camera because you shut down the monitor on the camera. There is a lot more benefits but RUclips it and study. I was thinking the same thing as you before I study more about the benefits
The Nikon has a 5 stop rating for IBIS . You guys should have mentioned how you set up the AF for each camera . You guys are great , but this review was kind of half a$$ .
@@TheSlantedLens Why do something at all, if you do it bad? I don't get the point of this video. You clearly are not able to use the product properly, and you got a lot of flack from people, but you reply to criticism in a very insincere way.
I bought the A7C, in my country it’s half the Canon price and 33% cheaper than the Nikon. It’s a real good general purpose camera, especially for street photography and portraits.
Great video! Wish you talked about the sony's new articulating screen in the a7c. Also wished you talked about price. The canon (as of March 2021) is about $1000 more than the other two cameras. That's a lot of money to justify a minimal improvement and video overheating issues that make it unusable!
I buy grey in the Uk - the R6 with a 35 and 50 F1.8 lenses is £160 dearer than the equivalent Z6 II package - but if you add a cfexpress card to the Z6 II there's no difference
I enjoyed the video - thank you both, along with the model. I'm not one of those who are so critical of specs and features but I do enjoy seeing the difference. I did want to point out that just because a brand has new lenses, that doesn't mean the older lenses should be written off. I'm not familiar enough with Canon and Sony, so this may not apply. With Nikon, most of their lenses since the late 1950s work with their cameras since then. Maybe not all capabilities but usable. As an example, I've used the 50mm f/1.4 or f/1.2 AI-S lenses on the Z7 without issue. The point being just because there is a new mount doesn't mean you have to replace your glass. What was a nice lens yesterday is still a nice lens. Also, many forget that lenses have character and it is not always about the specs. Again, thanks for sharing. Very good information and an enjoyable format.
The Sony A7C has a “box focus area” mode, too (albeit rather large - it’s called “Zone”). And that helps to restrict what the Eye AF locks on to. The fact that the Nikon needs a restricted AF mode in order to work as well as the other systems in unrestricted mode, tells me that it is computationally the weakest of the bunch. So, it makes perfect sense for Nikon to put in 2 processors. And still there’s a performance difference. I’m sure better algorithms and more AI training helps, too.
I have no idea where this issue with auto focus on the Nikon Z6 II comes from. I have the Z6 (original) and it is flawless with it's focusing. I've never been let down.
Actually watching this for a second time, as i get close to putting the credit card down for the Canon R6. For what it's worth, i rarely shoot video and when i do, its for a few minute spans. So, the point of limited video recording time with the R6 is of no concern to me. Again, this feels like one of the best 'real world' style reviews out there. Well done guys.
I just can't wait for the Sony A7IV to get released so this is a more fair comparison. But all in all I think they all performed well. You can't go wrong with any of the three camera systems IMO.
What really stands out to me is the colour depth with the Nikon. With the continuous AF, for whatever reason I tend to have a much better hit rate with a similar speed of walk and direction.
Reading the reviews! Watching the video! Well I use Sony a7c with samyang 35mm f2.8 perfect for street small, light, unobtrusive and eyes focus is magical 700+ shots per charge
Interesting video - a few issues that I see. 1) You need to consider many other things in comparing these systems. First and foremost - lenses. The Nikon Z lenses are superior in most respects to the other lenses for the other systems. Case in point - since you are comparing "lower end" systems lets look at the 50mm1.8 for example. The Z version is the winner hands down. It is optically superior in corner to corner sharpness and has almost no focus breathing. The Canon RF 50mm 1.8 is softer than the Nikon especially edge to edge and has significant focus breathing - making is a poor choice for video. To be fair, the Nikon lens is $300 more than the Canon version but then again the Z6 II is $500 less than the R6 so this is a moot point and I'd rather have great lenses. 2) Nikon's NEVER overheat in video - they may not put in gimmicky features - like beta versions of 8K that overheat etc., but whatever is in the camera works perfectly every time. 3) As far as AF tracking, I agree that Nikon is still in 3rd place to Sony and Canon respectively, but you must have been doing something wrong in your test because the Nikon is much better than the results you are getting. There is a small learning curve with Z system AF - so I am not surprised that you did not use it optimally not being well acquainted with the system. It is not quite as good as the Sony and Canon but it is very close - much closer than what your test showed - see Manny Ortiz's video comparing Eye AF of the Nikon, Canon and Sony and you will see that the difference is minimal - the Nikon actually does better in some of his tests than the Canon or Sony. Nikon's main failing in tracking AF at this point is distance to subject. The subject has to be closer on the Nikon before the system picks up the face/eye than on Canon and Sony but once this is taken care of the difference will be negligible and for portraiture the difference is already virtually irrelevant. It is clear that all three systems are very good - I just see a lot of people reviewing / comparing Nikons that don't really use them normally or don't really know how to use them optimally and thus give the public the wrong idea about their capabilities. As a final aside, it is pretty clear that the Sony is underexposing at any given ISO as compared to the Nikon and Canon - this is the reason why it is getting better results when 'overexposed' - not because it has better dynamic range - it is just less sensitive at any given ISO - this is why it looks the worst of the three (by a lot) when you underexpose. Thanks for the interesting video!
Came here to say the same, thanks @BaronSilverton. ALso Z6 II needed the firmware upgrade. There´s no way of getting same quality on Canon´s RF lenses as Nikon Z and Sony. I refer about a whole system, not just trying like on this video. Bad example
Well about those lenses this isn't quite true. Nikon's f4 zoom lenses are average at best and have a lot of software corrections going on. Sony-Zeiss f4 are tragic as well. However, Canon's f4 zooms are stellar. When we talk about f2.8 zooms most recent comparisons between Sigma 14-24 f2.8 for Sony and Nikon S 14-24 f2.8 showed that Sigma is actually sharper. So this whole argument where people are raving about Nikon lenses being superior is really a case by case discussion and definitely doesn't apply to all. People who claim some mythical superiority of Nikon glass have not used any of the other systems and their lenses.
Even Manny Ortiz appreciated Nikon Z6 II for it's sticking to the face AF... When I watched the video again I found R6 was spot on... Z6 II had 2-3 images out of focus and A7c sucked ... It had around 4-5 images out of focus... Please make sure when you review something you don't have preoccupied opinion... Z6 II is getting out of stock faster than R6...
@@TheSlantedLens You didn't, but your Canon partner definitely did. He even stated that he was partial to the Canon R6. He did not want to give the Z6II any credit, but you did.
Good review, but I think it's not accurate to say the R6 isn't good for video. That's like saying a car that only drives 300 miles on a tank is useless. People have different driving and video recording needs. I bet most people don't record for an hour straight and expect to keep going. 4k 60, and 10 bit 4k also put video from the other 2 cameras to shame.
@@TheSlantedLens JP must have something in his beard. To say a comment the R6 does not work for video he must be on drugs. He saying that all he got was two 30 minutes clips from it. What more does he want tea and toast. What a muppet.
If you are using a R6 for video for an hour, it would not be unexpected to switch to the backup R6 which would obviously continue for another hour. I suspect that anybody who can afford to use the R6 as a video camera, can afford a second camera.
Thanks for the video. The comparisons were interesting, though the conclusions at each stage and overall didn't appear totally correct to me. ISO test for example, i couldn't find any visible grain or noise in Z6II and R6 photos at the zoom level you guys had in video for upto 3200 - 6400. But then again, noise and grain being palatable is a subjective matter. Image quality and dynamic range - seemed much better in Z6II than in R6. Sure it was close but the balance of color science appeared much gorgeous in Z6II than in Canon, and this one again is a subjective matter when testing at such close levels. AF - Z6II has very very good AF, both the speed of it and also the keeper rate, but it needs to be tweaked a bit based don situations. Same with R6 and Sony too. I know everyone is saying its good just not as better as Canon or Sony yet, but am not sure what we quantify as good. Higher keeper rate at fast burst is not exactly an only AF test criteria. The quality of AF as inferred from the photos, also depends on the sharpness of the lens involved and fringe sharpness of the pixels in AF box. Don't understand the point of such a harsh AF test with default AF settings. I for one wouldn't use default tracking AF in such a hard backlit setting, makes no sense to do so directly. Many wedding photographers do impressive work with Z6II in harsh beautiful backlit situations and many have done the same on Z6 too. Good video nevertheless, though I wouldn't advise viewers to base their buying decision on the views expressed in this video.
True..this is just the overview of the specs..definitely nt all you need to know about the said specs . But talking down on the Nikon AF is not so cool . And might actually convince prospective buyers like me …I’m so confused lol
To those sticking up for Nikon AF, this was a real AF stress test. A model walking through an ever changing (regarding lighting) scenario. She was in lighting that was backlit, harshly lit, had patchy lighting, was totally in shade etc. These are not normal lighting conditions. The test demonstrated how the cameras could deal with such harsh 'varying' conditions. In a normal controlled lighting environment, all cameras will do very well. As illustrated all over RUclips in side-by-side comparisons, Nikon still trails the pack in terms of AF tracking and AF consistency. It's getting better and better though. No point in making excuses because Nikon didn't live up to the others.
Great job with your testing. I think these ways you test are some of THE most realistic testing approaches around. And i am glad you pointed out the issue of the Nikon Z model bodies being really crowded where a user would rest their right thumb. I bought, tested but returned a Z5 due to, among other things, ergos and focusing issues.
Now that the R6 has clog 3 and video backup its got to be the best mid range camera out there. Its one big drawback is you can't save custom video settings and it doesn't have a dedicated photo video switch.
Again very helpful side by side comparison video. Thanks for this knowledge Some sensors are darker, some are brighter at same exposure. I hope you both gentle man continue this kind of comparison videos. You deserve 💖❤💓💕💞
R6 seems clear winner except for that 30 min overheating problem. If 4K 60FPS video shooting is requirement is less than30 min it's no brainer. Can you advise if it overheats in 1080P mode? What is length of recording possible without overheating. Anyways 4K 60 gobbles up memory cards in no time & editing hefty files is not for everyone. Keep up good work. Thanks you all so much.
@@ma.ajigarkhan7540 5d mark iv is an excellent camera. I know pros who still use the mark iii and they get the job done for photography. Video is where R and R6 shine over the 5D.
@@ma.ajigarkhan7540 the RF 35 and 50 f1.8 are not expensive - canon have just announced a 24mm F1.8 same price range - and have promised to fill out their lens line up with cheap lightweight f1.8 lenses.
In regards to the R6 and its overheating issues, wouldn’t it be more fair to say that if one requires more long form video, it might not be the best choice? Think about how much RUclips work could be completed with great imagery with the exact same amount of time that you were allotted.
JP saying R6 video does not work his words but you can get two 30 minutes before heat shut down what is he taking or sniffing. How many people use more than a 30min session at a time.
It is a matter of overheating with the second clip and then not turning back on. There a lots of people who don't need that much video time, but then if you are shooting video all day long it doesn't work for that.
Nikon guys may not switch to mirrorless right now.They have the most powerfull dslr money can buy (d850) and those mirrorless aren’t that cutting edges.The gap between my 5d4 and my r5 was wider and made my jump easier.
Great comparison! Just a few things I noticed: In the beginning you mixed up the resolution of the lcd screen with the evf on the r6 (3,69m dot evf, 1,69m dot lcd) And when you guys sat and reviewed the images, you swapped out the R6 for the R. Small details but other than that, really good video!
@@airjaff Exactly - the Sony isn't better with highlights - it is simply underexposing - the Nikon and Canon will be as good if they are underexposed by a stop.
You should mention in the AF test what settings you used: the Nikon AF is defintely not as good as the Sony and the Canon in its 'auto' mode, but with the right tweaks its great as well.
Interesting review just after I spent the money on the Nikon Z7ii I got it wrong again.... Have an amazingly good 2021. Keep well, keep safe and be happy.
It's all about the glass. BH lists 25 Nikon Z lenses with the cheapest fast lens (50mm f1.8) nearly $600. Canon, 22 lenses. At least the 50 f1.8 is reasonable. Sony EF mount, 151 lenses. Full support from multiple 3rd party vendors. Used market already established and decent used bodies for us poor folks. Just bought a lightly used A7ii, Tamron 35mm f2.8, Sony 50mm f1.8 (used) and a Sony 85mm f1.8 (used) for less than any of the bodies in this review. When I have the need or the $$ I'll upgrade the body to any 1 of 5+ amazing options - A7iii, A7C, A7Riv, A7Siii, A9ii plus other bodies in between. I was honestly torn about the Canon RP because Canon has made it very easy to use EF glass but the RP just didn't perform in image quality, no IBIS and more expensive than an A7ii, especially used. It's more advance AF was hard to say no to though.
Hey guys I LOVE your reviews! Also seems you guys really enjoy what you do..and that makes a difference. In any case guess this review is a bit older now..but just wanted to suggest should you do another similar review?...you really ought to include or check out the Panasonic Lumix DC-S5! It's generally a tad under 2k with a fantastic 20-60 kit lens..not a constant F4 or anything but a great sharp lens 3.5-5.6. I know since this review, esp the Z6II have had some major firmware updates ESP for auto focus. I own the Z6II haha partially cause of a review you did with it's updated firmware..the eye auto red box thing on wide/face..and the image quality is SO good that any slight clunky-ness I find with the auto focus, is way forgiven once I see the files. That said, before I got the Pansonic S5 I had the Lumix DS1 for over a year. It was a great camera but for me WAY too large and heavy so sold it. Brings me back to the Pana S5..It's just a GREAT camera..IMO has the best ergonomics here well vs the Nikon and Sony..anyways. The files are also near incredible. I am not a video shooter very much..but every review I saw on the S5 as to video puts it near the top in this range. We know it's only contrast detect but with the latest firmware esp eye auto-focus I'd put it above my Nikon Z6II. The auto-focus on the S5 is actually VERY VERY good.. My only issue with the S5 is I shoot raw+jpeg. While jepg color is actually REALLY nice almost filmic...it always tends to have a tad too much magenta on Caucasian people's faces, pleasant but wish it was more neutral like Nikon files as to true color.. Funny..my wife is Asian and the S5 makes her skin color look just perfect. In any case as I say love your reviews..just thought I'd mention about the S5 to check out as it seems to always get lost behind, Nikon, Canon and Sony... and it's actually imo a hidden gem..esp price point vs the quality.
Thanks Xiong - that's very helpful, especially about the Af on the S5 compared to the Z6 II. Im a D750 user I now do a lot of social media hybrid work. The camera Ive chosen to upgrade to is the R6 because of easy of use on the AF. Also Canon have added video backup and slog 3. I looked at the S5 its seems a very good camera - but a few reviews mentioned it had not particularly good 1080p. I do still shoot in 1080p because of speed of turnaround on my work plus it 100 percent social media work. I asked on Panasonic forums if this was the case and everyone who commented confirmed this. I know that the R6 is the reverse and has very good 1080p. So its the R6 for me - why not the Z6 II as a Nikon shooter well....... Z6 II drawbacks AF mixed reviews no flip screen (vertical video - high low angles) for vertical video no video backup mixed media no log (future proof) no 10 bit (future proof) crop in 4K (future proof)
I don’t see the logic behind your view, as even the professional and good sense tell us that a flippy screen will help in difficult angle, like vertical photo or bottom to top photo. Or photo on top in concert. Most of the pro i know use only the flippy screen on recent camera like a7siii or a7c or r6 for fashion photography.
Flippy sceeen only has an advantage in portrait orientation. For me the few times I’m in a situation where I need to tilt the screen completely up or down in portrait isn’t worth the inconvenience of having to flip out the screen and rotate it around each time I want to tilt in landscape orientation which happens far more frequently. It’s slow. And I never need a screen facing me. Plus flippy screens don’t jive well with L brackets.
Appreciate the review. I *despise* flip out screens! Give me the Fuji X-T2 style fold out, and then tilt any day of the week. If i'm shooting from waist height, fiddling with the damn flippy screen is the bane of my life (in that one second)
Thank you so much for sharing educating videos people like me beginners to understand the concepts and techniques. I’m planning to purchase my very first DSLR which is Nikon D750 along with 85mm 1.8 + 50mm 1.8 G lens. I’m wondering is it still worth to buy this camera considering 5 years old?. Or should i invest in mirrorless which is Z6ii with kit lens. My only concern is from d750 has 1/4000 shutter speed unlike d780 and Z6ii 1/8000 and 900 seconds, I’m not quite sure this is show stopper. Purpose of buying a camera is for taking Portraits, Still, Landscape, Bird, Product photography (learning) and of course my kids. It would be really great if you throw some lights on my concern to make a wise decision.... other options I have considered is Nikon D780 with one of the lens and Z6ii with the kit lens... apart from D780 and Z6ii I have been suggesting to go with D850 with the kit lens. Thank you and looking forward to your recommendation.
Most manufacturers are making cameras and lenses for mirrorless. Very few are working on DSLR cameras. So buying into the DSLR system will make it so you will not have new cameras you can move up to with your lenses. My recommendation is to get into mirrorless and buy good lenses. That will give you growth potential in your system of choice.
Its a hard decision isnt it!...you look as if you like video...The Nikon is cheaper (Z6ii)...The Cannon looks good and might get better still in the future, the Sony is the best I think,,,But you sound like you're in the Nikon camp?!
@@wikedwhich1 yes it is. I like the ergonomics of Nikon so I liked but also considered the Sony a7iii but when compared the pricing of lens Sony lens prices are high.
Want to fix Sony colours to almost match the canon's? Shoot at a higher Colour temperature White Balance.. in daylight instead of shooting at 5600k try shooting at 6000k and compare it to canon they will get pretty close and bost some contrast and saturation and voila you have 90% canon colours in a Sony camera.
I don’t know why people care so much about the flip screen. My R5 with a lens weighs over 2kg/4.4lb! Ain’t nobody is gonna hold that with one hand and vlog at the same time. Besides, these are not video cameras they weren’t made to record video. They can do it as back up or a gimmick, but not for real work. However tilting is the way to go. Waist level shot, overhead shot, tilting is better than flip because the screen isn’t off-axis.
There is something terribly wrong with that lens on the Sony, is that a 7artisans 50/1.8? I don't recall you once mentioning the lack of detail or smeariness which probably made the Sony look worse than it is here. Soft lenses also tend to make High ISO images appear worse since the lack of any real detail (since the lens resolves poorly) makes the noise even more prominent.
The Sony has better highlight advantage but has a focus issues. It may be the lens used but you can see at 6:41 her foreheads, lips and eyeballs are tact sharp in both Canon and Nikon but has a smudge in the Sony. At 8:27 her eyeballs, cheek and lips tell the same story. Her face is out focused in Sony. Sony has also disadvantage in Color if you see the color arrows green, yellow, red and blue are very tidy in both the Canon and Nikon while the Sony has a dull look. At 8:56 the lamp and shadows tell the same story. The a7 series were undoubtedly sharper and has punch a lot of stars in its name but this a7c is something I want to avoid though it may be tempting because of the size. The price of this Sony as listed is not even in a entry affordable level though mostly they used to review together with the Z5 which is way cheaper. But it is a heck of energy to bring out this level of review that also make my decision more solid. Thanks for the review. This review is enjoyable to watch from HD onwards till 4k.
Your walk autofocus test is a good thing on paper but may i suggest you use equivalent lenses. Like that canon lense is much more expensive than the sony. Also a few or did well is not scientific enough i think a count of exactly how many pics was in and out of focus ler camera maybe even a leader board. Also the image quality test is good that you do with a model portrait but id like to see a heavy 500% punch in to make it obvious and also i have noticed on one test you did it seemed like you put up an misfocus image of an eos r vs the r5 and r6 id like to see them all surely focused on the eye for the comp.
They are not the same. The a7c is newer and has the articulating screen that is better for video. You can compare them on B&H: bhpho.to/3hdbTSc and bhpho.to/3dCYzEa
I have it and it is extremely good. I took tamron 17-28 and 70-300 with azden smx30 microphone. It is nearly the perfect camera. A bit of improvement would be a deeper grip, an extra dial on the grip, and adding active stabilization found on a7siii and zv1. The weight is perfect, the quality, low light performance are astounding. Even the evf is good, and better placed than in the center. The flip screen is very good and useful. Maybe they could add another sd card. If i had to choose only one improvement, it would be the active stabilization for walking videos. Static image and videos, ibis is good. The good thing is gyro data helps to stabilize your footages very well when it is needed. I am still cuurently in the process to learn and cannot test it very well as it is too cold in canada right know. Below the recommended operation temperatures.
The flip screen in the canon is flimsy feels plasticky while the Nikon feels solid and seems like the frame is made of metal. In the dynamixpc range canon and niko are the same and the other guy said nikon blows up faster. What the heck of course for the other guy canon is "always"better😂
So the Nikon 6ii is exactly the same sensor as the first z6 ? For some reason I thought I heard it was different and a stacked sensor? I saw someone’s photos with the original z6 and I want that color palette so a 6ii would be worth it but if it’s different then I’d go with the original tbh . The z7 is more Sony ish and not as warm as the z6’s. And don’t can be nice with the sonys tend to have this blue yellow tint that is too much. The canon colors are bland in comparison bc they aren’t very moody but rather “safe, and even if people try to match em, the difference is always there but the difference becomes more not I able too when you compose the photos t the colors the camera favors . I really love the Nikon , it has a sophisticated deep ness to the colors that really do well with editing as far as Iv seen . I just need to figure out about the 6 vs6ii sensors . Also Iv heard multiple people say their lenses are sharper than the other brands , and I feel like I have noticed that the images seem to be sharper with certain photographers whereas the other brands don’t get that certain pop
Here is a good explanation from Digital Camera World: "To some people's surprise, the Z6 II has exactly the same 24.5Mp full-frame (35.9 x 23.9mm) backside illuminated sensor as the Z6. However, in the Z6 II the chip is paired with two Expeed 6 processing engines which means that it has twice the processing power of the original camera."
Hello I've been kinda struggling to decide on what camera to get I looked at canon eos r with 24 - 105 f4l and canon r6 with 24 - 105 f4 - f7.1 aperture lens Mainly wanna use it for landscape but I wanna look at wildlife eventually so i kinda wanna futureproof myself to some point. I cant, realy afford prime 24 - 105f4l lens with r6 since its gonna cost me more but i can with eos R and with R6 24 - 105 f4 - f7.1 Or should i just buy rf 50mm 1.8 and save up for f4? Many people told me that r6 is better value money wise to get this days :) I also looked at z7 and z6ii with bork 24 - 70 f4 kit lenses Iv been rly going thru all this and its hard to decide. Thanks in advance!
We are about to put a video out about this. My feeling is that the EOS R is a better deal because it is a larger image size. For landscape and wildlife I would choose the R. The R6 does have an advantage of really great autofocus!
Out of all the cameras, the least impressive raw files to my eye are the Canons. Ive played with both the R5 and R6 raw image files, and their shadow recovery in post is noticeably noisier than comparable sonys or nikons.....There is a reason that phase one uses sony sensors. Best sensors in the world imo, canon can't touch them in the sensor arena. Besides that, for the higher megapixel photography sensors you see on the R5, A7RIV, Z7ii, I believe these cameras are already hitting the limit of what full frame sensors are capable of........The bottleneck is simply the size of the full frame sensor; theoretically you can keep cramming in megapixels into these sensors but its counterproductive and will introduce more noise.
Are you overlooking the role of the rest of the camera maybe? And of post processing? Where, in the camera analog-to-digital conversion is done? How the voltage regulation is constant from the first photosite to the last (the sensor as array or grid of photosites is scanned and there is time parallax). With my Z 7, I saw what I call "random color noise" in certain types of areas in the photos. In Lightroom 13. But Nikon Capture NX-D did not show it. Nor did DxO PhotoLab 4 (and it has incredible noise suppression AI). Capture One 20 did not show it either. And with old F-mount lenses, Lightroom did not show the effect too. When you shoot raw, and compare cameras in post processing, then you are comparing post processing and for the most part what the software developers (programmers, not photographers) have made of it. The software has turned 14-bit monochrome photosite readings (arranged in R-G-G-B teams, so 14R-14G-14G-14B) from the raw file into RGB-RGB-RGB-RGB and here you lose quality, even when you now have 26.5RGB-26.5RGB-26.5RGB-26.5RGB because the jump from 14 b its monochrome to 26.5 RGB for the best cameras and raw processing has invented all those colors at the expense o loss of bit depth in the monochrome original. When DxO write about a PhaseOne sensor that is has 26.5 bits color space, what they mean is that 26.5 is the most they can make of it with their software. So my random color noise has nothing to do with lack of photons or quantum physics for that matter. It is purely bad demosaicking following bad deBayerization in the raw/post processing. Note about Sony that their sensors are made in their semiconductor operating company and that the operating company making Sony cameras is a client there like Nikon is or PhaseOne or Hasselblad. The current generation of Sony sensors have analog to digital conversion baked onto the sensor chip and this cannot go beyond 14 photographic bits. Hence Hasselblad still have a discrete AD circuit like other cameras had in the past or else they never could do 16 bits. Note that the Hasselblad 16 bit raw files do not result in a larger color space, though. "Sensor" is a smokescreen. It is misused as cover up for many things. It is also misused by marketers. For instance when the Sony Semiconductor brochure mentions sixteen bits with their sensor's AD conversion and a small footnote then says only 14 are meaningful for your photos. What is more important than the sensor even is the specification of the wavelength cutoff of the R, G and B filters over the photosites. TO what extent they overlap frequency coverage and how fast they cut off from their cut off frequency. Then most cameras have a so-called "glass AA"filter - I call it the fuzzy filter - that does a bit of hardware anti-alisasing to help color raw processing (deBayerization) later on and potentially ease sharpening (anti aliasing) - but the glass AA layer introduces optical problems. For the lenses and for sharpness. Leica have a glass AA layer that is like a Fresnel lens where the rings also have been cut into pieces and in that way you get a changing angle of the glass AA lenses or fibers across the diameter of the sensor from the optical axis in the middle. That's not "the sensor" either in that it presents a solution to their old lens designs but also is a compromise average between the different back-end projection of their excellent but old glass. Sensor? What The Fotography
@@jpdj2715 I'm sure there are plenty of factors that can improve image quality besides the sensor; smartphones have proven the power of software for cleaning up images in camera and improving the control of dynamic range...As far as sensors go, more megapixels reduce the ability of the sensor to take in light, and high mp cameras like the sony a7riv are quite noisy in certain situations because of that. So as far as hardware is concerned, the solution is to use a larger sensor if you want more megapixels without the tradeoff of reduced light. Also when you were talking about leicas glass AA layer, are you talking about low pass filters? I know that the Z7 doesn't have an AA filter which is nice. I'd also be interested in seeing a lightroom raw file comparison to nikons proprietary software. It doesn't surprise me to hear that lightroom introduces its own noise.
@@waawaaweewaa2045 - my experience with large format is that it is large in the first place. 8"x10" - you don't want to walk around with a Sinar P at that size. It's not about sharpness but more about gradation and saturation in the case of film. Resolution per mm decreases with larger size formats (but resolution per degree of image angle slightly increases). Problems get bigger. Depth of Field becomes less and at 8"x10" a portrait lens may be 500mm. So you shoot with f/90 or f/256 and need incredible amounts of flash power for that. A Hasselblad 500 series was an optimum for me. Its Zeiss lenses had something special. But, big and heavy in every way. In digital for most photographers I feel that 24 MP full frame is the sweet spot. Beyond 100% has become a matter of software and AI to do the upscaling (and upsampling at that). More megapixels reduce the light captivating ability of individual photosites, yes, but you'll see this mainly translated into high ISO, not in dynamic range nor in color space. Noise in shots from hi-res cameras must be attributed to raw processing in the first place. At lower level details, the algorithms seem to work badly in the deBayerization/demosaicking processing steps. As long as software developers cannot explain to me it is not their fault, they are culprit for me. Yes, I know in proper legal systems of proper nation states nobody has to prove their innocence (except for taxes, and, and, and). This is not to say cameras cannot be noisy. Recent Sony sensors have been designed to work with different amplification levels from the camera's mainboard, chipset and firmware. So there is a switch-over point where the jump is made to higher amplification and this may explain why my Z 7 was more noisy at 400 ISO than at 800 ISO (it switched just above ISO 400). I still have to test that with the Z 7ii. With the Leica glass layer, I am not talking about low pass. It may double for that function, though, and I don't know. No, sensors cannot handle wide angle backends from lenses. They want perpendicular "rays" (or parallel waves) for best results. But older wider angles than portrait often are double Gaussians and have a very wide angle at the back. With SLR lenses this does not work and retrofocus principles are applied. To solve this problem, initially a Leica digital only offered APS-C crop sensors. When they developed the (they hate it when I compare it with Fresnel) glass fiber optic layer that guides light to the photosites in different angles of incidence they were able to offer full frame. But it does not scale up easily and hence the higher resolution camera is fixed focal lens. A glass AA layer is just a dispersion layer that brings some of the light intended for photosite {X, Y} to (X-1,Y}, (X-1,Y-1}, (X-1,Y+1}, (X+1,Y}, (X+1,Y-1}, etc., so all surrounding photosites are injected with a bit of light from what was only projected at {X,Y} by the lens. This is just to make deBayerization and AA easier in post. (For AA and sharpening, it helps to understand True Type fonts or ClearType in MS environment, and next become aware that fonts have mathematical functions for their outlines, but raw photos need to have such contour lines discovered and handled for a specific resolution.) Nikon Capture NX-D is a free download. Just download, install and find raw shots on the web. Note that DxO is a software house selling raw processing software competing with Lightroom and Capture One. Their DxO mark is not to be nice but they develop profiles of lenses, cameras and firmware versions. Their marks are the result of their best guesses at what the profiles should be. I had the Z 7 and was not aware it had no AA filter, but I have a Z 7ii now and this one certainly does not have an AA filter. I expect this to get at least the improvement we saw from the D800 to the D800E (see DxO). Lightroom's introduction of noise is IMO just a matter of insufficient testing and not having reference images that are able to tell the programmers where the issues are. What is often called noise, are IMO Moiré patterns that have not been recognized as such. When users start to understand how cameras and raw processing work, they will stop blabbering about photons and noise. That would be important as it turns the tide on the developers who need to step up, instead of having excuses for bad programming. Larger format - I still remember the first 8"x10" Kodak Ektachrome Professional on the Macbeth light tray (with daylight white balanced light in it) - looking through an 8x magnifying loupe, I was flabbergasted about the thick colors. At 2,880 DPI, my 8 or 9 nuances printer is not going to get near that. No matter how good my file is.
@@jpdj2715 Thanks for the information, I will experiment with dxo! I don't have any experience with large format, but I've used the d800, d800e, and d810. As I understand it, the d800 has an AA filter, the d800e was slightly sharper and had a low pass filter (not really sure what the difference is), and the d810 had no filter. Each model was noticeably sharper and the d810 is still a fine camera, but for my use a bit too large to walk around with.
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I’m a Z6 shooter and the autofocus is rock solid. I’m questioning your settings and “know how” on all these cameras frankly. If you’re not shooting with them for extended periods of time really learning the camera and how it does things (like AF) these reviews become less and less valuable. Maybe bring on some people who use each system exclusively and is more proficient about the ones you clearly don’t use all the time or at all.
Please don't listen to people who haven't lived with the Nikon.
That would be a nice option. Something we will consider.
Exactly my thought. Just because it works differently than the Canon or Sony, it doesn't mean it is worse. You need to learn the individual system instead of expecting that it's the same as everyone else.
The Nikon AF is not rock solid. It might be for "what you do", but you have to accept in a broader range of conditions it can have issues. The AF test in the above video had a model in extremely harsh and changing lighting (something I'm sure you would not generally be doing on a paid job) and she was walking in and out of harsh light and heavy patchy shadows. It was a real AF stress test. Most AF systems struggle in backlit and harsh lighting situations.
I have several cameras which give me virtually 100% hit rate, but I'm being selective in the conditions I shoot in. In the harsh conditions shown above, I know without bias my AF would fail at least some of the time.
@@TaipeiGeek Err, lower hit rate doesn't mean it's worse? Lol. Nikon fanboys sure hate it when Nikons don't win.
Want to see in 60 seconds what was proven in this video? Set your Nikon AF up however you like and have a subject walk through alternating backlighting to harsh patchy lighting to deep shadows (lack of lighting). Your AF will have a much poorer hit rate then you're used to. This was a real AF stress test.
Fortunately, you won't normally be shooting in these conditions (if ever) and your hit rate will be far higher, generally. Keeping it real though, in every AF test I've watched online, the Nikon usually comes third.
Great test. If Nikon had a flippy screen, it could have won and became the go-to camera for all vloggers and youtubers. But everyone thinks it's the Canon or the Sony now. Nikon is a hidden gym, you only know how good it is once you buy it and use it. Those little z mount f1.8 lenses are amazing and produce amazing shots. Glad I changed to Nikon from Canon and Olympus.
Glad to hear you are loving your Nikon!
Im Nikon going the other way over to Canon - see my reasons Xiong Li post.
We don’t care 🤡
Considering all the Nikon FX lens I have it would have be a Nikon Z camera for me when I buy with adapter, partly for the video. Great to know the photos look great also with very good high ISO.
In All Fairness pretty sure since this Video was made 9 months ago Nikon has already resolved any Focus Problems because every other review I see is Saying how Great it is LOL
I have recorded for long periods of time with our R6 and had no problems. We are in Florida and I shoot 20-30 weddings a year.
Good to hear. Sounds like you have a healthy business going!
@@TheSlantedLens Before Covid yes , Post Covid not so much. It will be back eventually. haha
I cant remember the exact times . No I was using it on gimbal
so just the body itself recording
@@dancygr Personally.. I have been LOVING this camera. Low light is great.. AF is AMAZING... ergonomics are top notch. I can use ALL my good EF-L glass. It literally checks all my boxes
@@dancygr What do you shoot?
The nikon takes a few setting tweeks before the auto focus performs very good. Not sure if you guys used the out the box settings... I think the auto focus works amazing. The ibis of the nikon and iso look better to me.
Great point. Good to hear from a Nikon user!
The ISO definitely wasn't the best in this video comparison. The IBIS was very close to the Canon's and definitely ahead of the Sony. The AF is definitely behind the pack, as has been demonstrated in many online videos. It's getting there, but it's not there yet.
I prefer the sony autofocus
Nikon auto focus is great now after firmware 1.2.. It's still not matching R6, but its getting close.
Autofocus has been solid on the Z6 II for me. I cannot complain. I can only assume like many others in the comments that your results are down to user error.
The Z6 II and Z 50mm f1.2 S combo has been giving me outstanding results.
Good to hear. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Absolutely it is shocking to hear a team of two people with grey hair are missing shots with the Z6II. Give it to a kid. He will figure it out faster.
@@mainmain5303 Haha! Lack of knowledge and a bit of bias here...
@@russellwright9961 Which is clear. It should be a disclaimer. There can’t be a rule against love. The love biases can be put down as a line like “Includes Paid Promotion”. I suggest writing “We Personally Prefer Canon”. That’s just allows POVs a better space.
@@mainmain5303 Completely agree with you...
Thanks for using a woman of color. I liked seeing how the cameras looked shooting different skin tone
Yes, a really good reply
Thanks for your comment and thanks for watching!
Canon is the best when it comes to colour accuracy of black skin. ❣
@@joemeka appreciate the input!
I've only owned D40x, D7000, D750, and Z6, but have used many other DSLRs and MLCs, and my Z6 is by far the best auto focusing camera I've used. I hate to be that guy, but are you sure you know what you're doing? The negative rhetoric about the Z cameras autofocus seems so crazy, if I hadn't used the things I'd be put off trying by all the youtube videos slating it. There are a lot of customisability options and button configurations that enable much better tracking etc
The Nikon is good but the other were Just better. So why are you trying to make the reviewer bad? They are using just standard preferences and get the showed results
@@airb1976 I have nothing against Slanted Lens or JP, they go through so much gear it's hard to get to know each one intimately. It's just important for potential buyers to not conclude after watching something like this "I need good autofocus therefore I need the Canon" because that's the impression this video gives and it's not true.
We worked with the Nikon for a week before doing the review. And the reality is that it performed great. Just not quite as good as the Canon for the autofocus.
@@TheSlantedLens I guess when people say their camera is the best its because they've not compared to others out there like you've done.. so I really won't argue over it - the concept of best camera is absolutely SUBJECTIVE...
@@airb1976 Better is ok no god is tottaly different
I've shot three weddings with the Z6ii and the autofocus has been 99% accurate for me. Probably user error on your behalf!
No, the other are better
Same here. Autofocus, especially eye AF has been solid for me on the Z6 II. Must be user error because like you, almost all of the photos I take are razor sharp on the eyes.
One thing I’ve notice with the Z6 II, after using the original Z6, is that I’m getting most shots bang on the pupil, while the Z6 had a tendency to focus on the eye lash.
@@ghas4151 there are some situations, Like Here, where some shots are not sharp and an other camera Performed better. Accept it
@@airb1976 🤦
That's great to hear. It's a solid camera and it's a shame that people might be put off by this review. Best to always try a camera yourself!
Good review guys! As a long time Nikon shooter, I can confirm that the standard video profiles tend to have sharpening turned up. The “flat” picture profile is probably the most balanced for most people. Like the AF setup, the out of box settings need tweaking to get the best results.
Good point. Thanks for sharing!
I‘m a photographer and not a video shooter. I personally don‘t like flip-out screens because they make proper use of L-Brackets impossible.
Oooh, I only just realised this, I do use an L bracket on my Z6 and it would be a pain . Although I would like a Panasonic S1 style screen that can also flip to the side for portrait off angles
Excellent point. Thanks for sharing that with us!
I agree with you. Flip-out screens are important for vloggers, but I shoot portraits, landscapes, and real estate. Tilt screens are what I prefer. However, I wouldn’t mind the tilt out screens as the LUMIX S1/S1R cameras have .
To say you can’t do video with the R6 is just not true at all. That’s my only negative opinion of this video.
For most people that is true. For people doing films or long interviews, etc that 30 min time constraint is a problem.
@@TheSlantedLens true but hardly meant to be a movie camera
@@ppjamieson if you use a camera for an event then you're gonna have a bad time with that 1 hour limit. Most events do last more than that. If you use it as a hobby, then you should be fine.
@@TheSlantedLens OK, this is just unserious. "Most people" don't shoot 30 minutes interviews. And if they do - get a Ninja V. Problem solved. R6 is an extremely capable video camera.
These videos are my favorite camera comparison videos compared to every other channel I can find. Thanks for that
Glad you like them! Thanks for the positive feedback!
I’m disappointed. I don’t think it was fair - you didn’t use Nikon 50 1.2 and at the same time you took Canon pro glass? All three brands have native 35 1.8 - why you didn’t take those for your test? Please repeat the testing as now it’s worthless in my opinion. Colors, contrast, sharpness and AF speed in Nikon 50 1.2 is stellar that’s the only lens that can compete with Canon 50 1.2
We tried to get the Nikon 50 1.2 but couldn't get it from Nikon. Next time!
@@TheSlantedLens this is the real problems of nikon equipments .....nikon it not "good " in PR !!!!
@@sandrogherbassi3140 So what does PR have to do with this??
@@russellwright9961 I say that nikon public relations do not know how to "manage" vloggers in the right way ... it is too evident that in a very short time every new release of nikono was criticized in an exasperated way ... even a famous vblogger among other things Sony ambassador advised against the purchase !!! there is a huge difference between sattolineare the defects of a product and advise against its purchase ... justifiable only with "other" REASONS
Thanks for the comparison guys! I think the Sony performed better in the over exposure test because the images were already dark which I think contributed to preserving highlight detail. I've got a Nikon Z5 to go along w/ my D800 and have really enjoyed using it for family photos.
Totally agree! Glad to hear you love your Nikons.
This video is miss leading, because canon Dynamic range is 13.4 while z6 dynamic range is 14.3, so how it shows less dynamic range that the canon.
The AF of z6ii is very good especially after latest firmware as well as the r6 does not over heat after the latest firmware
Good to hear. This was filmed before those firmware updates. Thanks for sharing!
I agree that 3 cameras to compare is enough, but looking at how good f.e. the S5 from Panasonic is, I would have loved to see that in the comparison aswell.
The X-T4 would have been a well versed contender aswell, but since it's not FF I can see why and how I might not fit this comparison.
Good suggestions. Thanks for watching!
I Would go with the R6, when I film I use an Atomic Ninja V extended recorder so the overheating and the 30 min limit don’t bother me. I have a R5 today and it’s really impressive
Good to hear. Thanks for sharing your solution to the overheating!
@@dancygr most people that are doing heavy recording get a ninja regardless of camera.
@@dancygr I think you're missing the point that you would lose all photo capabilities if you were a hybrid shooter. And you would still want to use something like a ninja system with the C70 so you have to factor in the price on both
@@dancygr most professional cinema cameras use an external recorder. It’s a big profit to do so. The ninja V is 599 dollars and it’s totally worth the money. If you have not read the benefits with atoms external recorders then RUclips it. I will not use the internal recording unless I do 8k or 4K and 120fps
@@dancygr the screen on the ninja is better than the C70 monitor... so if you record outside on a sunny day it’s a big different and you also save battery on the camera because you shut down the monitor on the camera. There is a lot more benefits but RUclips it and study. I was thinking the same thing as you before I study more about the benefits
The Nikon has a 5 stop rating for IBIS . You guys should have mentioned how you set up the AF for each camera . You guys are great , but this review was kind of half a$$ .
I agree. These camera’s have so many settings to adjust for different scenarios that really needs to be conveyed.
There is only so much we can include. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
@@TheSlantedLens Why do something at all, if you do it bad? I don't get the point of this video. You clearly are not able to use the product properly, and you got a lot of flack from people, but you reply to criticism in a very insincere way.
@@TaipeiGeek lol... Thanks for clicking... and sharing your thoughts... lol
I bought the A7C, in my country it’s half the Canon price and 33% cheaper than the Nikon. It’s a real good general purpose camera, especially for street photography and portraits.
Sounds like a great deal!
Great video! Wish you talked about the sony's new articulating screen in the a7c. Also wished you talked about price. The canon (as of March 2021) is about $1000 more than the other two cameras. That's a lot of money to justify a minimal improvement and video overheating issues that make it unusable!
Good points. Thanks for watching!
I buy grey in the Uk - the R6 with a 35 and 50 F1.8 lenses is £160 dearer than the equivalent Z6 II package - but if you add a cfexpress card to the Z6 II there's no difference
I enjoyed the video - thank you both, along with the model. I'm not one of those who are so critical of specs and features but I do enjoy seeing the difference. I did want to point out that just because a brand has new lenses, that doesn't mean the older lenses should be written off. I'm not familiar enough with Canon and Sony, so this may not apply. With Nikon, most of their lenses since the late 1950s work with their cameras since then. Maybe not all capabilities but usable. As an example, I've used the 50mm f/1.4 or f/1.2 AI-S lenses on the Z7 without issue. The point being just because there is a new mount doesn't mean you have to replace your glass. What was a nice lens yesterday is still a nice lens. Also, many forget that lenses have character and it is not always about the specs. Again, thanks for sharing. Very good information and an enjoyable format.
Good to hear all those points about the Nikon and lenses. Thanks for sharing!
The Sony A7C has a “box focus area” mode, too (albeit rather large - it’s called “Zone”). And that helps to restrict what the Eye AF locks on to.
The fact that the Nikon needs a restricted AF mode in order to work as well as the other systems in unrestricted mode, tells me that it is computationally the weakest of the bunch. So, it makes perfect sense for Nikon to put in 2 processors. And still there’s a performance difference.
I’m sure better algorithms and more AI training helps, too.
Thank for watching and for sharing your experience.
I have no idea where this issue with auto focus on the Nikon Z6 II comes from. I have the Z6 (original) and it is flawless with it's focusing. I've never been let down.
Good to hear. Thanks for sharing your experience.
I have a z6 and I am not sure i would say flawless but it is better then they project in this video
Actually watching this for a second time, as i get close to putting the credit card down for the Canon R6. For what it's worth, i rarely shoot video and when i do, its for a few minute spans. So, the point of limited video recording time with the R6 is of no concern to me. Again, this feels like one of the best 'real world' style reviews out there. Well done guys.
Glad to hear that. Enjoy your purchase!
I just can't wait for the Sony A7IV to get released so this is a more fair comparison. But all in all I think they all performed well. You can't go wrong with any of the three camera systems IMO.
Totally agree. Thanks for sharing!
What really stands out to me is the colour depth with the Nikon. With the continuous AF, for whatever reason I tend to have a much better hit rate with a similar speed of walk and direction.
Good to know. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Reading the reviews! Watching the video! Well I use Sony a7c with samyang 35mm f2.8 perfect for street small, light, unobtrusive and eyes focus is magical 700+ shots per charge
Sounds like a good set-up. Thanks for sharing!
Interesting video - a few issues that I see. 1) You need to consider many other things in comparing these systems. First and foremost - lenses. The Nikon Z lenses are superior in most respects to the other lenses for the other systems. Case in point - since you are comparing "lower end" systems lets look at the 50mm1.8 for example. The Z version is the winner hands down. It is optically superior in corner to corner sharpness and has almost no focus breathing. The Canon RF 50mm 1.8 is softer than the Nikon especially edge to edge and has significant focus breathing - making is a poor choice for video. To be fair, the Nikon lens is $300 more than the Canon version but then again the Z6 II is $500 less than the R6 so this is a moot point and I'd rather have great lenses. 2) Nikon's NEVER overheat in video - they may not put in gimmicky features - like beta versions of 8K that overheat etc., but whatever is in the camera works perfectly every time. 3) As far as AF tracking, I agree that Nikon is still in 3rd place to Sony and Canon respectively, but you must have been doing something wrong in your test because the Nikon is much better than the results you are getting. There is a small learning curve with Z system AF - so I am not surprised that you did not use it optimally not being well acquainted with the system. It is not quite as good as the Sony and Canon but it is very close - much closer than what your test showed - see Manny Ortiz's video comparing Eye AF of the Nikon, Canon and Sony and you will see that the difference is minimal - the Nikon actually does better in some of his tests than the Canon or Sony. Nikon's main failing in tracking AF at this point is distance to subject. The subject has to be closer on the Nikon before the system picks up the face/eye than on Canon and Sony but once this is taken care of the difference will be negligible and for portraiture the difference is already virtually irrelevant. It is clear that all three systems are very good - I just see a lot of people reviewing / comparing Nikons that don't really use them normally or don't really know how to use them optimally and thus give the public the wrong idea about their capabilities. As a final aside, it is pretty clear that the Sony is underexposing at any given ISO as compared to the Nikon and Canon - this is the reason why it is getting better results when 'overexposed' - not because it has better dynamic range - it is just less sensitive at any given ISO - this is why it looks the worst of the three (by a lot) when you underexpose. Thanks for the interesting video!
Wow! You wrote a book! Thanks for sharing your experience!
@@TheSlantedLens Hopefully, these kinds of mistakes that may unintentionally mislead the audience can be avoided in the future.
Came here to say the same, thanks @BaronSilverton. ALso Z6 II needed the firmware upgrade. There´s no way of getting same quality on Canon´s RF lenses as Nikon Z and Sony. I refer about a whole system, not just trying like on this video. Bad example
Well about those lenses this isn't quite true. Nikon's f4 zoom lenses are average at best and have a lot of software corrections going on. Sony-Zeiss f4 are tragic as well. However, Canon's f4 zooms are stellar. When we talk about f2.8 zooms most recent comparisons between Sigma 14-24 f2.8 for Sony and Nikon S 14-24 f2.8 showed that Sigma is actually sharper. So this whole argument where people are raving about Nikon lenses being superior is really a case by case discussion and definitely doesn't apply to all. People who claim some mythical superiority of Nikon glass have not used any of the other systems and their lenses.
Even Manny Ortiz appreciated Nikon Z6 II for it's sticking to the face AF...
When I watched the video again I found R6 was spot on... Z6 II had 2-3 images out of focus and A7c sucked ... It had around 4-5 images out of focus...
Please make sure when you review something you don't have preoccupied opinion... Z6 II is getting out of stock faster than R6...
We didn't have any pre-conceived opinion. Thanks for your comment!
@@TheSlantedLens You didn't, but your Canon partner definitely did. He even stated that he was partial to the Canon R6. He did not want to give the Z6II any credit, but you did.
Good review, but I think it's not accurate to say the R6 isn't good for video. That's like saying a car that only drives 300 miles on a tank is useless. People have different driving and video recording needs. I bet most people don't record for an hour straight and expect to keep going. 4k 60, and 10 bit 4k also put video from the other 2 cameras to shame.
Very good points. And yes, some people don't need that video capability for long periods of time.
@@TheSlantedLens JP must have something in his beard. To say a comment the R6 does not work for video he must be on drugs. He saying that all he got was two 30 minutes clips from it. What more does he want tea and toast. What a muppet.
If you are using a R6 for video for an hour, it would not be unexpected to switch to the backup R6 which would obviously continue for another hour.
I suspect that anybody who can afford to use the R6 as a video camera, can afford a second camera.
@@dancygr There is something called a reserve camera. And there is something called photos. Professionals tend to have reserve cameras.
Thanks for the video. The comparisons were interesting, though the conclusions at each stage and overall didn't appear totally correct to me. ISO test for example, i couldn't find any visible grain or noise in Z6II and R6 photos at the zoom level you guys had in video for upto 3200 - 6400. But then again, noise and grain being palatable is a subjective matter. Image quality and dynamic range - seemed much better in Z6II than in R6. Sure it was close but the balance of color science appeared much gorgeous in Z6II than in Canon, and this one again is a subjective matter when testing at such close levels. AF - Z6II has very very good AF, both the speed of it and also the keeper rate, but it needs to be tweaked a bit based don situations. Same with R6 and Sony too. I know everyone is saying its good just not as better as Canon or Sony yet, but am not sure what we quantify as good. Higher keeper rate at fast burst is not exactly an only AF test criteria. The quality of AF as inferred from the photos, also depends on the sharpness of the lens involved and fringe sharpness of the pixels in AF box. Don't understand the point of such a harsh AF test with default AF settings. I for one wouldn't use default tracking AF in such a hard backlit setting, makes no sense to do so directly. Many wedding photographers do impressive work with Z6II in harsh beautiful backlit situations and many have done the same on Z6 too. Good video nevertheless, though I wouldn't advise viewers to base their buying decision on the views expressed in this video.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Agreed!
True..this is just the overview of the specs..definitely nt all you need to know about the said specs . But talking down on the Nikon AF is not so cool . And might actually convince prospective buyers like me …I’m so confused lol
To those sticking up for Nikon AF, this was a real AF stress test. A model walking through an ever changing (regarding lighting) scenario. She was in lighting that was backlit, harshly lit, had patchy lighting, was totally in shade etc. These are not normal lighting conditions. The test demonstrated how the cameras could deal with such harsh 'varying' conditions.
In a normal controlled lighting environment, all cameras will do very well. As illustrated all over RUclips in side-by-side comparisons, Nikon still trails the pack in terms of AF tracking and AF consistency. It's getting better and better though. No point in making excuses because Nikon didn't live up to the others.
Thanks for sharing those points. And thanks for watching!
@cooloox... test wasn't fair... lenses amigo..! Look closer!
Great job with your testing. I think these ways you test are some of THE most realistic testing approaches around. And i am glad you pointed out the issue of the Nikon Z model bodies being really crowded where a user would rest their right thumb. I bought, tested but returned a Z5 due to, among other things, ergos and focusing issues.
Great too hear your experience. Thanks for sharing!
I was quite impressed with the color out of Nikon finally :) Nikon keep up with that track!
Good to hear. Thanks for sharing your opinion!
Skin tones are still too yellowish.
Now that the R6 has clog 3 and video backup its got to be the best mid range camera out there. Its one big drawback is you can't save custom video settings and it doesn't have a dedicated photo video switch.
Great points. Thanks for sharing!
Again very helpful side by side comparison video. Thanks for this knowledge Some sensors are darker, some are brighter at same exposure. I hope you both gentle man continue this kind of comparison videos. You deserve 💖❤💓💕💞
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for your feedback!
R6 seems clear winner except for that 30 min overheating problem. If 4K 60FPS video shooting is requirement is less than30 min it's no brainer. Can you advise if it overheats in 1080P mode? What is length of recording possible without overheating. Anyways 4K 60 gobbles up memory cards in no time & editing hefty files is not for everyone. Keep up good work. Thanks you all so much.
We did not test at 1080 P. I would assume that it is not as much of an issue. Not sure.
Bro 5d mark iv and and EOS R and r6 which one is best for wedding photography and long term use
Right now the R6 is a great camera and get some RF glass!
@@TheSlantedLens rf glasses isn't my budget r6 just 20mp what about 5dmark iv photography is purpose
@@ma.ajigarkhan7540 5d mark iv is an excellent camera. I know pros who still use the mark iii and they get the job done for photography. Video is where R and R6 shine over the 5D.
@@1WorldAroundYou photography is main purpose what about 5d mark iv
@@ma.ajigarkhan7540 the RF 35 and 50 f1.8 are not expensive - canon have just announced a 24mm F1.8 same price range - and have promised to fill out their lens line up with cheap lightweight f1.8 lenses.
In regards to the R6 and its overheating issues, wouldn’t it be more fair to say that if one requires more long form video, it might not be the best choice? Think about how much RUclips work could be completed with great imagery with the exact same amount of time that you were allotted.
Good point! And for some people is works just great.
Max shutter speed of 1/4000, flash sync speed of 1/160 and always on EFC cut the A7C from the “professional” camp in my book.
That's an interesting point. Thanks for sharing!
Which camera is best for cinematography and candid photos please 🥺 tell me love from India
JP saying R6 video does not work his words but you can get two 30 minutes before heat shut down what is he taking or sniffing. How many people use more than a 30min session at a time.
It is a matter of overheating with the second clip and then not turning back on. There a lots of people who don't need that much video time, but then if you are shooting video all day long it doesn't work for that.
Shooting a concert always takes more than 30mins, even between intermissions.
nice video! Do you think you can do a video for Tamron with adapter for the R6? thanks for the show case
The adapter works great with the R6.
Can you please make a comparison between Nikon Z50 and Nikon Z6. Thank you.
We will see what we can do. Thanks for watching!
Nikon guys may not switch to mirrorless right now.They have the most powerfull dslr money can buy (d850) and those mirrorless aren’t that cutting edges.The gap between my 5d4 and my r5 was wider and made my jump easier.
Good points. Thanks for sharing!
Great comparison! Just a few things I noticed: In the beginning you mixed up the resolution of the lcd screen with the evf on the r6 (3,69m dot evf, 1,69m dot lcd) And when you guys sat and reviewed the images, you swapped out the R6 for the R. Small details but other than that, really good video!
Thanks for watching and keep on clickin!
good to know that I'm not the only one that convert grainy images into BW lol
That's great. Thanks for watching!
Wasn’t the Sony under exposing about a stop? So it’s the same in real world as Nikon and Cannon.
Our experience with the Sony cameras is that they are a half to one stop darker than the cameras we compare them to.
@@TheSlantedLens so that makes them all equal on the highlight recover test then.
@@airjaff Exactly - the Sony isn't better with highlights - it is simply underexposing - the Nikon and Canon will be as good if they are underexposed by a stop.
Great comparison, thanks! Would love to see a partial redo with the Nikon 1.20 firmware... it has me considering an Z6ii again :D.
That would be a nice purchase!
0:50 There is an little error on r6 specs, it's 3.69 million dots for viewfinder not 1.62 :)
Yep. Thanks for pointing that out.
I think the A7c is the clear winner here...A pocket size camera with all those feature at that price range is all that we need..
Good to hear. Enjoy your a7C!
No photo or video backup - poor rear screen bad evf - no front dial. It would the best for a gimbal camera tho.
You should mention in the AF test what settings you used: the Nikon AF is defintely not as good as the Sony and the Canon in its 'auto' mode, but with the right tweaks its great as well.
Very true. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Interesting review just after I spent the money on the Nikon Z7ii I got it wrong again.... Have an amazingly good 2021. Keep well, keep safe and be happy.
It is a great camera. Let us know how it works out for you!
It's all about the glass. BH lists 25 Nikon Z lenses with the cheapest fast lens (50mm f1.8) nearly $600. Canon, 22 lenses. At least the 50 f1.8 is reasonable. Sony EF mount, 151 lenses. Full support from multiple 3rd party vendors. Used market already established and decent used bodies for us poor folks. Just bought a lightly used A7ii, Tamron 35mm f2.8, Sony 50mm f1.8 (used) and a Sony 85mm f1.8 (used) for less than any of the bodies in this review. When I have the need or the $$ I'll upgrade the body to any 1 of 5+ amazing options - A7iii, A7C, A7Riv, A7Siii, A9ii plus other bodies in between.
I was honestly torn about the Canon RP because Canon has made it very easy to use EF glass but the RP just didn't perform in image quality, no IBIS and more expensive than an A7ii, especially used. It's more advance AF was hard to say no to though.
Sounds like you have a good plan. Keep it up!
Hey guys I LOVE your reviews! Also seems you guys really enjoy what you do..and that makes a difference. In any case guess this review is a bit older now..but just wanted to suggest should you do another similar review?...you really ought to include or check out the Panasonic Lumix DC-S5! It's generally a tad under 2k with a fantastic 20-60 kit lens..not a constant F4 or anything but a great sharp lens 3.5-5.6. I know since this review, esp the Z6II have had some major firmware updates ESP for auto focus. I own the Z6II haha partially cause of a review you did with it's updated firmware..the eye auto red box thing on wide/face..and the image quality is SO good that any slight clunky-ness I find with the auto focus, is way forgiven once I see the files. That said, before I got the Pansonic S5 I had the Lumix DS1 for over a year. It was a great camera but for me WAY too large and heavy so sold it. Brings me back to the Pana S5..It's just a GREAT camera..IMO has the best ergonomics here well vs the Nikon and Sony..anyways. The files are also near incredible. I am not a video shooter very much..but every review I saw on the S5 as to video puts it near the top in this range. We know it's only contrast detect but with the latest firmware esp eye auto-focus I'd put it above my Nikon Z6II. The auto-focus on the S5 is actually VERY VERY good.. My only issue with the S5 is I shoot raw+jpeg. While jepg color is actually REALLY nice almost filmic...it always tends to have a tad too much magenta on Caucasian people's faces, pleasant but wish it was more neutral like Nikon files as to true color.. Funny..my wife is Asian and the S5 makes her skin color look just perfect. In any case as I say love your reviews..just thought I'd mention about the S5 to check out as it seems to always get lost behind, Nikon, Canon and Sony... and it's actually imo a hidden gem..esp price point vs the quality.
Good to hear. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Thanks Xiong - that's very helpful, especially about the Af on the S5 compared to the Z6 II. Im a D750 user I now do a lot of social media hybrid work. The camera Ive chosen to upgrade to is the R6 because of easy of use on the AF. Also Canon have added video backup and slog 3.
I looked at the S5 its seems a very good camera - but a few reviews mentioned it had not particularly good 1080p. I do still shoot in 1080p because of speed of turnaround on my work plus it 100 percent social media work. I asked on Panasonic forums if this was the case and everyone who commented confirmed this. I know that the R6 is the reverse and has very good 1080p.
So its the R6 for me - why not the Z6 II as a Nikon shooter well.......
Z6 II drawbacks
AF mixed reviews
no flip screen (vertical video - high low angles) for vertical video
no video backup
mixed media
no log (future proof)
no 10 bit (future proof)
crop in 4K (future proof)
what is the setting for Canon R6? and color temperature? and any fine tune?
The color temperature was shot on daylight, 5600 degrees.
@@TheSlantedLens how about color profile?
Unless it’s vlog focused camera, I hope Nikon never goes to a flippy screen.
Thanks for your comment and thanks for watching!
I don’t see the logic behind your view, as even the professional and good sense tell us that a flippy screen will help in difficult angle, like vertical photo or bottom to top photo. Or photo on top in concert. Most of the pro i know use only the flippy screen on recent camera like a7siii or a7c or r6 for fashion photography.
Flippy sceeen only has an advantage in portrait orientation. For me the few times I’m in a situation where I need to tilt the screen completely up or down in portrait isn’t worth the inconvenience of having to flip out the screen and rotate it around each time I want to tilt in landscape orientation which happens far more frequently. It’s slow. And I never need a screen facing me. Plus flippy screens don’t jive well with L brackets.
Great review. But what about Panasonic S5?
That is one we haven't tested.
great comparison as always. thanks.
You are very welcome! Thanks for your support!
The R6 has a 3.69M dot EVF, not 1.62M:)) the LCD has 1.62. Check the specifications in the future;)
Appreciate your feedback. Thanks for watching!
Appreciate the review. I *despise* flip out screens! Give me the Fuji X-T2 style fold out, and then tilt any day of the week. If i'm shooting from waist height, fiddling with the damn flippy screen is the bane of my life (in that one second)
Yeah, it really is a personal preference!
Thank you so much for sharing educating videos people like me beginners to understand the concepts and techniques.
I’m planning to purchase my very first DSLR which is Nikon D750 along with 85mm 1.8 + 50mm 1.8 G lens. I’m wondering is it still worth to buy this camera considering 5 years old?. Or should i invest in mirrorless which is Z6ii with kit lens. My only concern is from d750 has 1/4000 shutter speed unlike d780 and Z6ii 1/8000 and 900 seconds, I’m not quite sure this is show stopper.
Purpose of buying a camera is for taking Portraits, Still, Landscape, Bird, Product photography (learning) and of course my kids.
It would be really great if you throw some lights on my concern to make a wise decision.... other options I have considered is Nikon D780 with one of the lens and Z6ii with the kit lens... apart from D780 and Z6ii I have been suggesting to go with D850 with the kit lens.
Thank you and looking forward to your recommendation.
Most manufacturers are making cameras and lenses for mirrorless. Very few are working on DSLR cameras. So buying into the DSLR system will make it so you will not have new cameras you can move up to with your lenses. My recommendation is to get into mirrorless and buy good lenses. That will give you growth potential in your system of choice.
@@TheSlantedLens thanks for thoughtful suggestions, sure will take your recommendations. Thanks Shashi
Don't buy kit lenses; buy pro glass. Invest in the mirrorless system.
Its a hard decision isnt it!...you look as if you like video...The Nikon is cheaper (Z6ii)...The Cannon looks good and might get better still in the future, the Sony is the best I think,,,But you sound like you're in the Nikon camp?!
@@wikedwhich1 yes it is. I like the ergonomics of Nikon so I liked but also considered the Sony a7iii but when compared the pricing of lens Sony lens prices are high.
Want to fix Sony colours to almost match the canon's? Shoot at a higher Colour temperature White Balance.. in daylight instead of shooting at 5600k try shooting at 6000k and compare it to canon they will get pretty close and bost some contrast and saturation and voila you have 90% canon colours in a Sony camera.
That is a great suggestion. Thanks for sharing you knowledge!
What about evening or under light conditions ? Please share your experiences and knowledge .
I don’t know why people care so much about the flip screen. My R5 with a lens weighs over 2kg/4.4lb! Ain’t nobody is gonna hold that with one hand and vlog at the same time. Besides, these are not video cameras they weren’t made to record video. They can do it as back up or a gimmick, but not for real work. However tilting is the way to go. Waist level shot, overhead shot, tilting is better than flip because the screen isn’t off-axis.
Good points. Thanks for watching!
There is something terribly wrong with that lens on the Sony, is that a 7artisans 50/1.8?
I don't recall you once mentioning the lack of detail or smeariness which probably made the Sony look worse than it is here. Soft lenses also tend to make High ISO images appear worse since the lack of any real detail (since the lens resolves poorly) makes the noise even more prominent.
As photocentric cameras, the Nikon screen is perfect
I'm glad you like it.
Let's be honest here. We it comes to colour (when compared with Canon and Sony) nothing beats the Nikon. Let's give credit where it is due.
Some people will disagree. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
If I have to decide, then why I watch you for 16 minutes? Give definative answer.
Not all people have the same needs.
Guys a7c and a7iv has the same photo quality, which camera is a step up from those photo quality wise ?
If you are looking at Sony, then the a1. But it is quite pricey!
Unfortunately ....most photographers will expose for her beautiful brown skin in ignore the blown out background.
Live and learn. Thanks for sharing your comment!
I thought your Canon fan boy partner was going to break into tears when you said it was unusable because of over heating! 😂
LOL. Thanks for watching and keep on clickin!
Cool video . Have you tired out the Panasonic S5 ?
We have not tested that one. Thanks for watching!
The Sony has better highlight advantage but has a focus issues. It may be the lens used but you can see at 6:41 her foreheads, lips and eyeballs are tact sharp in both Canon and Nikon but has a smudge in the Sony. At 8:27 her eyeballs, cheek and lips tell the same story. Her face is out focused in Sony. Sony has also disadvantage in Color if you see the color arrows green, yellow, red and blue are very tidy in both the Canon and Nikon while the Sony has a dull look. At 8:56 the lamp and shadows tell the same story. The a7 series were undoubtedly sharper and has punch a lot of stars in its name but this a7c is something I want to avoid though it may be tempting because of the size. The price of this Sony as listed is not even in a entry affordable level though mostly they used to review together with the Z5 which is way cheaper. But it is a heck of energy to bring out this level of review that also make my decision more solid. Thanks for the review. This review is enjoyable to watch from HD onwards till 4k.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
R6 very good for the cold winter nights
We did not try it out in cold weather. That is good to know.
But I think you tried in 40 deg Celsius.
Excellent review
Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching!
Great review! Only thing I missed was the Panasonic S5!
That would have been another good one!
Hows the battery on r6 for photo
We had no problems with the battery but we did not use it on an ongoing basis.
I'm very much happy with my R6
Good to hear. Thanks for watching!
There should be an rematch with these cameras as now the Nikon has newer firmware updates that really help the AF to be quite excellent!
Good to hear. Thanks for the comment!
rumoured firmware update for the Z6 II with real time tracking in September
It’s February 2022 and the latest firmware is still blah. I was hoping for big improvement.
i was tempted to go with that sony, but ended up with a panasonic mirrorless instead.
That is a great choice as well!
Are these OOC JPEGS? Great comparison!
We converted raw images to jpegs. Thanks for watching!
Your walk autofocus test is a good thing on paper but may i suggest you use equivalent lenses. Like that canon lense is much more expensive than the sony.
Also a few or did well is not scientific enough i think a count of exactly how many pics was in and out of focus ler camera maybe even a leader board.
Also the image quality test is good that you do with a model portrait but id like to see a heavy 500% punch in to make it obvious and also i have noticed on one test you did it seemed like you put up an misfocus image of an eos r vs the r5 and r6 id like to see them all surely focused on the eye for the comp.
All great points. Thanks for your feedback.
You guys were bored producing this one and it shows.
Thanks for watching and keep on clickin!
I thought the same, but thought I was the only one, haha...
Please compare the R6 to the Fujifilm xt4 and Fujifilm GFX 100S 🙏
That would be an interesting comparison. Thanks for the idea.
Is the a7c the same as a7iii?
They are not the same. The a7c is newer and has the articulating screen that is better for video. You can compare them on B&H: bhpho.to/3hdbTSc and bhpho.to/3dCYzEa
Wait, what about crop factor for video?
Another time another video. Thanks for watching!
So the Z5 you guys tested in a different video had better af performance than the Z6ii? Hmmmm
That was a different scenario. Not tested in the same conditions.
@@TheSlantedLens girl walking forward in mixed lighting.
I couldn´t get the a7c conclusion at the end, I´m really looking into buying one though ahaha
Let us know how you like it!
I have it and it is extremely good. I took tamron 17-28 and 70-300 with azden smx30 microphone. It is nearly the perfect camera. A bit of improvement would be a deeper grip, an extra dial on the grip, and adding active stabilization found on a7siii and zv1. The weight is perfect, the quality, low light performance are astounding. Even the evf is good, and better placed than in the center. The flip screen is very good and useful. Maybe they could add another sd card. If i had to choose only one improvement, it would be the active stabilization for walking videos. Static image and videos, ibis is good. The good thing is gyro data helps to stabilize your footages very well when it is needed. I am still cuurently in the process to learn and cannot test it very well as it is too cold in canada right know. Below the recommended operation temperatures.
Ahh I’m scared of the giveaway, it ends soon. 8 in 3,365 chance of winning...😬🤞Good luck everyone!!
Wishing you luck! Thanks for watching!
Thanks!! And good luck to you too!!
Edit: Just realized what I said..😂
It's a shame with the R6. Looks nearly perfect but the overheat makes it no go.
Yeah it is not workable if you do a lot of extended video clips. But for shorter filming it is a great option!
The flip screen in the canon is flimsy feels plasticky while the Nikon feels solid and seems like the frame is made of metal. In the dynamixpc range canon and niko are the same and the other guy said nikon blows up faster. What the heck of course for the other guy canon is "always"better😂
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Excellent comparison...
Glad you think so! Thanks for your support!
So the Nikon 6ii is exactly the same sensor as the first z6 ? For some reason I thought I heard it was different and a stacked sensor?
I saw someone’s photos with the original z6 and I want that color palette so a 6ii would be worth it but if it’s different then I’d go with the original tbh .
The z7 is more Sony ish and not as warm as the z6’s. And don’t can be nice with the sonys tend to have this blue yellow tint that is too much.
The canon colors are bland in comparison bc they aren’t very moody but rather “safe, and even if people try to match em, the difference is always there but the difference becomes more not I able too when you compose the photos t the colors the camera favors .
I really love the Nikon , it has a sophisticated deep ness to the colors that really do well with editing as far as Iv seen .
I just need to figure out about the 6 vs6ii sensors .
Also Iv heard multiple people say their lenses are sharper than the other brands , and I feel like I have noticed that the images seem to be sharper with certain photographers whereas the other brands don’t get that certain pop
Here is a good explanation from Digital Camera World: "To some people's surprise, the Z6 II has exactly the same 24.5Mp full-frame (35.9 x 23.9mm) backside illuminated sensor as the Z6. However, in the Z6 II the chip is paired with two Expeed 6 processing engines which means that it has twice the processing power of the original camera."
Nice Video thanks for that!
14:35 ... hahahahaha
Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching!
I liked the S5! Oh it's wasn't included!!
Yeah, a lot of people prefer the S5. Thanks for sharing your opinion!
Its bulky & heavy.
@@i20010 Obviously you have never held an S5. Or even researched it.
I love the Nikon colors....are these SOOC. Then canon
Yes, the images are straight out of the camera. We process them in camera raw but we don't make color adjustments.
@@TheSlantedLens camera raw is really awful for a lot of raw files. canon works quite good with it but with nikon you get only 80%
I already own A7III. Amongst these 3, I wud choose Canon. Simply coz of the Flippy screen.
That articulating screen makes a difference!
The majority (me included) hates flippy screens.
Hello I've been kinda struggling to decide on what camera to get
I looked at canon eos r with 24 - 105 f4l and canon r6 with 24 - 105 f4 - f7.1 aperture lens
Mainly wanna use it for landscape but I wanna look at wildlife eventually so i kinda wanna futureproof myself to some point.
I cant, realy afford prime 24 - 105f4l lens with r6 since its gonna cost me more but i can with eos R and with R6 24 - 105 f4 - f7.1
Or should i just buy rf 50mm 1.8 and save up for f4?
Many people told me that r6 is better value money wise to get this days :)
I also looked at z7 and z6ii with bork 24 - 70 f4 kit lenses
Iv been rly going thru all this and its hard to decide.
Thanks in advance!
We are about to put a video out about this. My feeling is that the EOS R is a better deal because it is a larger image size. For landscape and wildlife I would choose the R. The R6 does have an advantage of really great autofocus!
Damn. The canon color has the offical usa Olympics athletic look
Canon does have really great color science!
Out of all the cameras, the least impressive raw files to my eye are the Canons. Ive played with both the R5 and R6 raw image files, and their shadow recovery in post is noticeably noisier than comparable sonys or nikons.....There is a reason that phase one uses sony sensors. Best sensors in the world imo, canon can't touch them in the sensor arena.
Besides that, for the higher megapixel photography sensors you see on the R5, A7RIV, Z7ii, I believe these cameras are already hitting the limit of what full frame sensors are capable of........The bottleneck is simply the size of the full frame sensor; theoretically you can keep cramming in megapixels into these sensors but its counterproductive and will introduce more noise.
Great points. Thanks for sharing your knowledge about sensor size!
Are you overlooking the role of the rest of the camera maybe? And of post processing? Where, in the camera analog-to-digital conversion is done? How the voltage regulation is constant from the first photosite to the last (the sensor as array or grid of photosites is scanned and there is time parallax).
With my Z 7, I saw what I call "random color noise" in certain types of areas in the photos. In Lightroom 13. But Nikon Capture NX-D did not show it. Nor did DxO PhotoLab 4 (and it has incredible noise suppression AI). Capture One 20 did not show it either. And with old F-mount lenses, Lightroom did not show the effect too. When you shoot raw, and compare cameras in post processing, then you are comparing post processing and for the most part what the software developers (programmers, not photographers) have made of it. The software has turned 14-bit monochrome photosite readings (arranged in R-G-G-B teams, so 14R-14G-14G-14B) from the raw file into RGB-RGB-RGB-RGB and here you lose quality, even when you now have 26.5RGB-26.5RGB-26.5RGB-26.5RGB because the jump from 14 b its monochrome to 26.5 RGB for the best cameras and raw processing has invented all those colors at the expense o loss of bit depth in the monochrome original. When DxO write about a PhaseOne sensor that is has 26.5 bits color space, what they mean is that 26.5 is the most they can make of it with their software. So my random color noise has nothing to do with lack of photons or quantum physics for that matter. It is purely bad demosaicking following bad deBayerization in the raw/post processing.
Note about Sony that their sensors are made in their semiconductor operating company and that the operating company making Sony cameras is a client there like Nikon is or PhaseOne or Hasselblad. The current generation of Sony sensors have analog to digital conversion baked onto the sensor chip and this cannot go beyond 14 photographic bits. Hence Hasselblad still have a discrete AD circuit like other cameras had in the past or else they never could do 16 bits. Note that the Hasselblad 16 bit raw files do not result in a larger color space, though.
"Sensor" is a smokescreen. It is misused as cover up for many things. It is also misused by marketers. For instance when the Sony Semiconductor brochure mentions sixteen bits with their sensor's AD conversion and a small footnote then says only 14 are meaningful for your photos.
What is more important than the sensor even is the specification of the wavelength cutoff of the R, G and B filters over the photosites. TO what extent they overlap frequency coverage and how fast they cut off from their cut off frequency. Then most cameras have a so-called "glass AA"filter - I call it the fuzzy filter - that does a bit of hardware anti-alisasing to help color raw processing (deBayerization) later on and potentially ease sharpening (anti aliasing) - but the glass AA layer introduces optical problems. For the lenses and for sharpness.
Leica have a glass AA layer that is like a Fresnel lens where the rings also have been cut into pieces and in that way you get a changing angle of the glass AA lenses or fibers across the diameter of the sensor from the optical axis in the middle. That's not "the sensor" either in that it presents a solution to their old lens designs but also is a compromise average between the different back-end projection of their excellent but old glass.
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@@jpdj2715 I'm sure there are plenty of factors that can improve image quality besides the sensor; smartphones have proven the power of software for cleaning up images in camera and improving the control of dynamic range...As far as sensors go, more megapixels reduce the ability of the sensor to take in light, and high mp cameras like the sony a7riv are quite noisy in certain situations because of that. So as far as hardware is concerned, the solution is to use a larger sensor if you want more megapixels without the tradeoff of reduced light.
Also when you were talking about leicas glass AA layer, are you talking about low pass filters? I know that the Z7 doesn't have an AA filter which is nice.
I'd also be interested in seeing a lightroom raw file comparison to nikons proprietary software. It doesn't surprise me to hear that lightroom introduces its own noise.
@@waawaaweewaa2045 - my experience with large format is that it is large in the first place. 8"x10" - you don't want to walk around with a Sinar P at that size. It's not about sharpness but more about gradation and saturation in the case of film. Resolution per mm decreases with larger size formats (but resolution per degree of image angle slightly increases). Problems get bigger. Depth of Field becomes less and at 8"x10" a portrait lens may be 500mm. So you shoot with f/90 or f/256 and need incredible amounts of flash power for that. A Hasselblad 500 series was an optimum for me. Its Zeiss lenses had something special. But, big and heavy in every way.
In digital for most photographers I feel that 24 MP full frame is the sweet spot. Beyond 100% has become a matter of software and AI to do the upscaling (and upsampling at that).
More megapixels reduce the light captivating ability of individual photosites, yes, but you'll see this mainly translated into high ISO, not in dynamic range nor in color space.
Noise in shots from hi-res cameras must be attributed to raw processing in the first place. At lower level details, the algorithms seem to work badly in the deBayerization/demosaicking processing steps. As long as software developers cannot explain to me it is not their fault, they are culprit for me. Yes, I know in proper legal systems of proper nation states nobody has to prove their innocence (except for taxes, and, and, and).
This is not to say cameras cannot be noisy. Recent Sony sensors have been designed to work with different amplification levels from the camera's mainboard, chipset and firmware. So there is a switch-over point where the jump is made to higher amplification and this may explain why my Z 7 was more noisy at 400 ISO than at 800 ISO (it switched just above ISO 400). I still have to test that with the Z 7ii.
With the Leica glass layer, I am not talking about low pass. It may double for that function, though, and I don't know. No, sensors cannot handle wide angle backends from lenses. They want perpendicular "rays" (or parallel waves) for best results. But older wider angles than portrait often are double Gaussians and have a very wide angle at the back. With SLR lenses this does not work and retrofocus principles are applied. To solve this problem, initially a Leica digital only offered APS-C crop sensors. When they developed the (they hate it when I compare it with Fresnel) glass fiber optic layer that guides light to the photosites in different angles of incidence they were able to offer full frame. But it does not scale up easily and hence the higher resolution camera is fixed focal lens.
A glass AA layer is just a dispersion layer that brings some of the light intended for photosite {X, Y} to (X-1,Y}, (X-1,Y-1}, (X-1,Y+1}, (X+1,Y}, (X+1,Y-1}, etc., so all surrounding photosites are injected with a bit of light from what was only projected at {X,Y} by the lens. This is just to make deBayerization and AA easier in post. (For AA and sharpening, it helps to understand True Type fonts or ClearType in MS environment, and next become aware that fonts have mathematical functions for their outlines, but raw photos need to have such contour lines discovered and handled for a specific resolution.)
Nikon Capture NX-D is a free download. Just download, install and find raw shots on the web.
Note that DxO is a software house selling raw processing software competing with Lightroom and Capture One. Their DxO mark is not to be nice but they develop profiles of lenses, cameras and firmware versions. Their marks are the result of their best guesses at what the profiles should be.
I had the Z 7 and was not aware it had no AA filter, but I have a Z 7ii now and this one certainly does not have an AA filter. I expect this to get at least the improvement we saw from the D800 to the D800E (see DxO).
Lightroom's introduction of noise is IMO just a matter of insufficient testing and not having reference images that are able to tell the programmers where the issues are. What is often called noise, are IMO Moiré patterns that have not been recognized as such. When users start to understand how cameras and raw processing work, they will stop blabbering about photons and noise. That would be important as it turns the tide on the developers who need to step up, instead of having excuses for bad programming.
Larger format - I still remember the first 8"x10" Kodak Ektachrome Professional on the Macbeth light tray (with daylight white balanced light in it) - looking through an 8x magnifying loupe, I was flabbergasted about the thick colors. At 2,880 DPI, my 8 or 9 nuances printer is not going to get near that. No matter how good my file is.
@@jpdj2715 Thanks for the information, I will experiment with dxo! I don't have any experience with large format, but I've used the d800, d800e, and d810. As I understand it, the d800 has an AA filter, the d800e was slightly sharper and had a low pass filter (not really sure what the difference is), and the d810 had no filter. Each model was noticeably sharper and the d810 is still a fine camera, but for my use a bit too large to walk around with.