counting to 7 has never been so hard

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  • Опубликовано: 3 янв 2022
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    Original video: • Nate Smith giving a co...
    Performed by: Nate Smith
    Bio: Nate Smith is an American drummer who is a three-time Grammy nominee. He's performed with The Fearless Flyers, and co-wrote and produced Michael Jackson's 'Heaven Can Wait'.
    Transcribed by: Balthazar Maignan
    faq:
    Q: how old are you / A: i'm in high school!
    Q: how are you related to jacob collier? / A: i'm not, we just have the same last name
    Q: how do you transcribe? / A: i use musescore for notation and 'Transcribe!' for beat marking, slowing down etc
    Q: do you have perfect pitch? / A: no
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    Q: why are some videos not transcribed by you? / A: sometimes other people submit transcriptions, most are commissioned from others who can do a better job than i can. i want to make sure you see the best transcriptions possible!
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  • @GeorgeCollier
    @GeorgeCollier  2 года назад +7975

    Comments are half split between clap on 1 and clap on 7. I’ve opted for 7 as that just feels right - the clap is always followed by a strong downbeat. He conducts the audience to clap at 0:30 where they clap on what looks like a downbeat, but I would suggest he just conducts like this as there’s no way you can get an audience to clap on an upbeat.

    • @cherrylimesatan
      @cherrylimesatan 2 года назад +478

      This will be the controversy that finally kicks off the civil war and resulting end of days.
      Definitely 7 for me personally.

    • @lewis2868
      @lewis2868 2 года назад +303

      The snare backbeats hit on the 2, on the beat following the clap (which is the 1). End of story. He plays with the rhythmic placement later in the piece, that's the point of what he's doing, but that shouldn't change how it is notated from the beginning. Also the conducting which is clearly a full bar of 7 leading into the 1.

    • @BalthazarMaignan
      @BalthazarMaignan 2 года назад +132

      I feel it on 1 beacause of the snare crosstick "backbeat", like I'm not so used to hear snares on 1 so yeah.

    • @Paraselene_Tao
      @Paraselene_Tao 2 года назад +36

      I totally agree on the 7. I practiced tuba from 6th grade to my senior year. I quit practicing after high school. Maybe someone knows better than me though.

    • @aladdinvonrabat183
      @aladdinvonrabat183 2 года назад +19

      I read in the description, that Balthazar Maignan did the transcription? So why do you write, that YOU opted for the clap on 7?

  • @x3pher909
    @x3pher909 2 года назад +30457

    Dunno what’s more impressive.
    The drummer, or that there is an audience on earth that some how managed to follow 7:4

    • @VincentKun
      @VincentKun 2 года назад +747

      Is not even a 7/4, there is a 123.5 time
      Edit: Thank you all for making me notice my error, but you can also not be so rude in comments sometimes. Bye

    • @tomherschberg
      @tomherschberg 2 года назад +1660

      I was at this show, I just watched Jaleel and clapped whenever he did because there was no chance I was following along

    • @therearebeesinmyeyesplease9650
      @therearebeesinmyeyesplease9650 2 года назад +1305

      @@VincentKun Time signature and tempo are seperate things. Having a different tempo doesn't change the time signature, just the speed of the piece.

    • @snow3570
      @snow3570 2 года назад +553

      @@VincentKun 123.5 is how many beats per minute. 4 is the type of note (quarter notes) and 7 is the amount of times that note appears in a bar. So the time signature is 7/4 and the bpm 123.5 :)

    • @randomdude1rd1
      @randomdude1rd1 2 года назад +523

      7/4 is pretty simple to follow, it's the syncopations and polyrhythms that make it insanely hard here

  • @PolishBigfootCircle11
    @PolishBigfootCircle11 2 года назад +12564

    Everyone thinks they can count to seven, until you have to do it over and over and over again

    • @int0x80
      @int0x80 2 года назад +132

      @dogman It's better because it's one syllable; normally you have one, two, three, four, five, six and sev-en which feels off meter-wise.

    • @harveymartinez3079
      @harveymartinez3079 2 года назад +1

      ouch

    • @johnnyreis6899
      @johnnyreis6899 2 года назад +36

      @dogman i say "se'en" for the same reason

    • @ag7404
      @ag7404 2 года назад +6

      マジでそれな

    • @vipermad358
      @vipermad358 2 года назад +1

      OK. But what is the point?

  • @cesarmarchal558
    @cesarmarchal558 2 года назад +590

    1:59 is just pure evil. Love it !

    • @eartherdelor
      @eartherdelor Год назад +21

      do you know what kind of polyrhythm he is playing at that moment? so fiendish

    • @KaiserRika
      @KaiserRika Год назад +15

      It's like playing a remix level in a Rhythm Heaven game but in real life.

    • @cryms.
      @cryms. 7 месяцев назад +12

      @@eartherdelor old comment, but he alternates the pattern of the kick and snare starting from beat 7 on the previous measure to be on every 4th note instead of on the beat. makes it sound like it's 5/4 but it's still played in the same triplets (each triplet now being a sixteenth note) as before, which is why it sounds like the tempo slowed down so much. plus, with where he started the pattern, there's a single extra triplet after the complete pseudo-5/4 bar before beat 7, which clearly threw a lot of people off in the audience

    • @punchgod
      @punchgod 5 месяцев назад

      @@eartherdelormetric modulation

    • @DrippyWaffler
      @DrippyWaffler 2 месяца назад +2

      ​@@cryms. I rewound it several times and couldn't get that one!

  • @JonathanSinger
    @JonathanSinger 2 года назад +1757

    I was in the audience for this gig at Space in Evanston. The energy was electric. Some of the comments have wondered how the audience was so good at clapping in 7 when so many audiences can't even clap in 4. My guess is that there were a ton of drummers in the audience that night. As a drummer, even in a dark club, I'm pretty good at picking out the difference between someone tapping their foot to the beat and someone thumping out a bass drum rhythm. There were lots of highly trained hands and feet at the gig that night. Thanks for recording and posting this. Good times.

    • @tarksurmani6335
      @tarksurmani6335 2 года назад +51

      It's not that many people can't clap at 4, there usually is an asshole like me in the crowd, who with purpose claps off-beat to get other people fuck up. For some reason people find it hard to clap on 4, when person next to them claps beat later and in the next moment they are also clapping beat later.

    • @bigbroiswatchingyou2137
      @bigbroiswatchingyou2137 2 года назад +30

      @@tarksurmani6335 It's the equivalent of trying to sing in church with someone going completely off-tune right behind you

    • @aitorSonGall
      @aitorSonGall Год назад +3

      Singer is a drummer.

    • @jasonkae-smith188
      @jasonkae-smith188 Год назад +3

      I was there as well! And yes, I'm a drummer.

    • @joywolf83
      @joywolf83 9 месяцев назад +4

      naw I just watch the guy on stage and clap with him

  • @NateGH36O
    @NateGH36O 2 года назад +16780

    That rhythmic displacement he does is just so mind boggling. It actually makes more sense on sheet music than I would’ve imagined it did though haha

    • @BalthazarMaignan
      @BalthazarMaignan 2 года назад +94

      @@comedelage1282 Thanks mate

    • @GeorgeCollier
      @GeorgeCollier  2 года назад +402

      @@comedelage1282 He's in the description!

    • @joaluar
      @joaluar 2 года назад +29

      I actually find it very boring, it's like 1/999999 of the stuff Chris Dave has been doing for 2 decades... After him, these players come evidently inspired by Chris, but with a very very shy approach. After Chris, most of the drummer's languages became obsolet, or a very shy, partial, incomplete borrowing from the inmense, huge rhythm language chris developed!

    • @BalthazarMaignan
      @BalthazarMaignan 2 года назад +157

      @@joaluar lol just listen to prog music mate

    • @NateGH36O
      @NateGH36O 2 года назад +269

      @@joaluar I did not enjoy reading your comment, I’ll just say

  • @galgolombek7223
    @galgolombek7223 2 года назад +5229

    Nate smith is one of the greatest funk drummers of this generation.
    Respect.

    • @mattlogan1
      @mattlogan1 2 года назад +3

      Hate to say it but I don't really get the appeal - his playing is so busy that it's just distracting to me. Great as a solo artist and clinician but I can't stand him in vulf / flyers.

    • @strings1984
      @strings1984 2 года назад +25

      I don't know what to say to Matt Logan there, this is the first I have seen of him... I think he George Collier and me need to play with a symphony as the audience, to beat this, cuz that audience actually has some musical talent. Not to even speak of the talent the respective artists have.

    • @zackmash851
      @zackmash851 2 года назад +45

      how "busy" can a person who barely leaves the hi hat/snare/kick possible be lol

    • @mattlogan1
      @mattlogan1 2 года назад +2

      @@zackmash851 You should watch a DCI snare line

    • @zackmash851
      @zackmash851 2 года назад +7

      @@mattlogan1 i appreciate a good snare line, but the feat there isnt the musicianship but rather the coordination. nowhere near as musical as nate smith

  • @jamie6506
    @jamie6506 2 года назад +5895

    I--
    I've played for audiences that couldn't stay consistent clapping along to a 4/4 beat; where in fresh hell do you find an entire audience that can keep up in 7/4??
    It's cute how people in the replies think an audience can't fail if someone is helping them. Fun fact about audiences: they refuse to be helped. I've performed pieces where our members clapped, too, and the audience ignored it. Audiences can be wacky like that

    • @RyanSmith-ut4dy
      @RyanSmith-ut4dy 2 года назад +150

      I’m a drummer and this time sig baffles my little drummer boi brain 😂😂😂

    • @atteheikkinen
      @atteheikkinen 2 года назад +277

      "Chicago, man"

    • @jamie6506
      @jamie6506 2 года назад +29

      @@atteheikkinen I'm from Chicago!

    • @mason3872
      @mason3872 2 года назад +46

      At least they are only clapping every bar so that makes it easier but I’m surprised people weren’t more off

    • @TheMathias95
      @TheMathias95 2 года назад +21

      Just get a sax guy on the side who clap along, makes it's easier for the audience to just do what he does lol

  • @flashpoint5200
    @flashpoint5200 2 года назад +312

    This would actually be a fun concept to teach to children. We had music classes when I was in grade school but we always focused on 4/4 and 3/4. There are fun ways to teach counting complex or polyrhythms but you really don't get to that point until around highschool or college.

    • @rbbl_
      @rbbl_ 2 года назад +1

      69th like

  • @aydenduke2556
    @aydenduke2556 2 года назад +2695

    The notation of OOOW at 2:45 is crucial

    • @BalthazarMaignan
      @BalthazarMaignan 2 года назад +89

      Thanks, I found it funny so I add it 😊

    • @mysigt_
      @mysigt_ 2 года назад +9

      @@BalthazarMaignan who are you?

    • @BalthazarMaignan
      @BalthazarMaignan 2 года назад +63

      @@mysigt_ actually, I did this transcription, it's written in the video description 😉

    • @mysigt_
      @mysigt_ 2 года назад +29

      @@BalthazarMaignan oh, sorry. I assumed it was George. The OOOW was a crucial addition :)

    • @BalthazarMaignan
      @BalthazarMaignan 2 года назад +20

      @@mysigt_ it's okay, I had to tell him to actually put my name but he did so I'm happy with that

  • @leokimvideo
    @leokimvideo 2 года назад +6848

    Well the audience didn't miss a beat

    • @Tsugimoto1
      @Tsugimoto1 2 года назад +624

      Why is it no goddamn audience can keep tempo in 4/4 to save their lives, but when it's 7/8 suddenly we're all on the same page?
      Is it because now they actually have to pay close attention?

    • @moritzp.2920
      @moritzp.2920 2 года назад +675

      @@Tsugimoto1 it probably was an audience full of musicians

    • @aidenanderson9310
      @aidenanderson9310 2 года назад +20

      Wow, I never thought I would see you here. I used to watch your Thomas toy reviews when I was a kid. Small world

    • @scocassovegetus
      @scocassovegetus 2 года назад +65

      The musicians on stage were giving the audience signals, inadvertent or not.

    • @Dubile
      @Dubile 2 года назад +2

      @@aidenanderson9310 dang I used to watch that guy’s series on the redback spider tank. What a coincidence

  • @howdeedoo
    @howdeedoo 2 года назад +553

    As someone who has played a 7/4 piece before, i find it’s easier to count it as 1-2, 1-2, 1-2-3.

    • @eggskrodi5222
      @eggskrodi5222 2 года назад +42

      you just made this so easy to follow tysm

    • @derickshu6098
      @derickshu6098 2 года назад +24

      thats literally how conducter conduct 7/8 or 7/4 123 12 12 or 12 12 123

    • @raduslavila42
      @raduslavila42 2 года назад +4

      You are a genius, sir. Thanks !

    • @dstfno
      @dstfno 2 года назад +24

      Exactly. Or 4 + 3. I don’t know any musician who counts complex rhythms in large numbers. You always break it down into smaller pieces.

    • @Cristian-vl8pg
      @Cristian-vl8pg 2 года назад +9

      Yeah that's how most musicians break down the structure of a piece. It helped me play more complex pieces when I used to be in band. Like Mars is a famous 5/4 piece but it is often counted and conducted as '1-2-3 1-2'

  • @thomcowley7332
    @thomcowley7332 2 года назад +28

    That perfectly synchronised clap at 0:31 was quite satisfying

  • @mrbigg151
    @mrbigg151 2 года назад +5795

    As impressed as I am with his set skills, I'm even more impressed at this impossible audience! I've never heard so many people keep the beat so well. They ALL must be experienced musicians

    • @carlpanzram2012
      @carlpanzram2012 2 года назад +121

      Really?
      Am... Am i a experienced musician omg. 😳

    • @nobetter7747
      @nobetter7747 2 года назад +204

      some people just have a natural flow for rythm

    • @Gollas4k
      @Gollas4k 2 года назад +351

      it´s jazz people, they´re a special breed 😂

    • @218maryland
      @218maryland 2 года назад +191

      Those who attend gigs like this are more likely lifelong music fans of challenging music (Jazz, Funk, etc.) with of course musicians in there as well

    • @garyallen7939
      @garyallen7939 2 года назад +1

      ruclips.net/video/ne6tB2KiZuk/видео.html Same concept

  • @charliekelly3977
    @charliekelly3977 2 года назад +11767

    As someone who doesn’t play an instrument and cannot read sheet music. I have absolutely no clue what is going on here. But I can tell it’s very impressive

    • @justiceofbook
      @justiceofbook 2 года назад +517

      The time signature 7:4 is really weird, and hard to get used to if you’re not trained. Usually when reading sheet music, it’s common time (4/4), which is just, 1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4. This is 7:4. I’ve never played in 7:4 so I don’t know how it goes, but I think it’s 7 quarter notes in a four note measure? I don’t know, but it’s super awkward sounding. Playing with this off-beat time signature is definitely impressive

    • @jambajoby32
      @jambajoby32 2 года назад +85

      @@justiceofbook you are correct all the way.
      we all count differently but it’s important to feel the strong 1 aka downbeat

    • @brokenacoustic
      @brokenacoustic 2 года назад +85

      As someone whos played guitar for 20 something years as a hobby, I have absolutely no clue what is going on here, but I can tell its very impressive lol I couldnt keep a beat if my heart depended on it!

    • @isaacpianos5208
      @isaacpianos5208 2 года назад +59

      @@brokenacoustic as someone who's been studying music theory for the past four years, it's still really hard to keep up
      I've heard about some made up time signatures that are meant to be even crazier like 11/24, musicians are naturally insane

    • @permanenceinchange2326
      @permanenceinchange2326 2 года назад +118

      @@isaacpianos5208 I'm an audio engineer. I have only learned to count 1,2 1,2 testing microphones ;)

  • @kireitonsi
    @kireitonsi 11 месяцев назад +33

    Years of playing rhythm doctor have prepared me for this moment

    • @emeraldnickel
      @emeraldnickel 2 месяца назад +3

      Fact of the day: the first night level (the one with the samurai) switches to 7/4 halfway through! That’s why it’s way more difficult after that one bridge

    • @lycandusk7263
      @lycandusk7263 2 месяца назад +3

      yep, dont speak manderin yet i still counted "yi er san su wu liu qi"

  • @brianf1295
    @brianf1295 2 года назад +71

    A good portion of this I could follow by thinking of it as groups of 6, separated by a single clap, completing it to 7, and he was adding pauses on the clap evoking that feel. Essentially just 6/4 or however you like to think of it. But then he really throws the audience by starting what feels like a 4 feel right on the clap, and those are the spots where the audience seems to falters slightly. Super cool 😎

    • @henkdevries2002
      @henkdevries2002 2 года назад +7

      Yes I was looking for this comment. Im used hearing Seven grouped as combinations of 3 and 4. But here its more like 6+1 or 3+3+1, this way of thinking of It makes It much easier to follow.

  • @donloder1
    @donloder1 2 года назад +5715

    yall missed one genius on the back who unironically and unknowingly clapped on 4/4, and precisely on 4, the whole time.

    • @liamernst9626
      @liamernst9626 2 года назад +96

      I mean you aren't wrong...

    • @QuantumFluxable
      @QuantumFluxable 2 года назад +613

      he's german, germans can only clap on 4/4. true story, source: i'm german

    • @tarksurmani6335
      @tarksurmani6335 2 года назад +446

      To be honest this is one of the evil things I do. I on purpose, when people are clapping on beat, start clapping off beat to fuck up their clapping. Works 100% of time.

    • @liamernst9626
      @liamernst9626 2 года назад +121

      @@tarksurmani6335 even better if you clap like 6/8 or something

    • @frodo3556
      @frodo3556 2 года назад +75

      @@QuantumFluxable Hans! Get the Vier-Viertel-Takt!!

  • @theartsyfarmer3748
    @theartsyfarmer3748 2 года назад +2658

    How on earth did the audience keep up? I guess sometimes I forget that some people can feel rhythm and don’t need to count everything XD

    • @andybaldman
      @andybaldman 2 года назад +205

      They were black.

    • @tremolo312
      @tremolo312 2 года назад +45

      That's racist af 🙄
      Also who says they weren't counting? You don't know either way

    • @andybaldman
      @andybaldman 2 года назад +149

      @@tremolo312 It isn't 'racist' any more than saying black people have darker skin. It's just a fact, that you can observe if you look close enough. They have better rhythm, on average, and the average is what shows when you have a room full of people. And that isn't derogatory, it's a compliment.

    • @TheBanana93
      @TheBanana93 2 года назад +94

      @@tremolo312 Just look at a room full of white people dancing and then compare that to a room full of POC dancing. Mate there is a difference!

    • @ethanolsampsonite7407
      @ethanolsampsonite7407 2 года назад +111

      @@andybaldman African tribes have been doing rhythmic rituals for spiritual practices for millennium. I don't know how Mr. Ron over here could possibly think that it's racist to say that they are more in tune with rhythm than other phenotypes. They definitely are lmao! Ragtime? Bebop? Jazz? Rhythm and blues? Rock? Funk? Hip hop? Like fuck yeah they got rhythm in their DNA it isn't hard to tell.

  • @spineboy
    @spineboy 2 года назад +51

    I've written a lot of songs in 7, but this was a hard one to "feel". starts on 7, is syncopated. This dude is one solid thinking drummer. Impressive

  • @fabman132
    @fabman132 2 года назад +50

    This had to have been for an audience of percussionists or something right? How I the bloody crikey hell did they keep time so well as a collective. Insane.

  • @johnkalli7654
    @johnkalli7654 2 года назад +1305

    This is why drummers are actual time lords! At 1:58 that groove threw me for a loop! What a prime display of talent, skill, and mastery of time :)

    • @diWHY_Jake
      @diWHY_Jake 2 года назад +13

      Alright but how the heck do you count this? I can kinda count most of this but this one trips me up completely

    • @TheTheOpTiCJewel
      @TheTheOpTiCJewel 2 года назад +19

      @@diWHY_Jake it’s the same exact way as the rest, it’s just played so slowly that it will throw you off (I’m not big on theory I just play that’s my take on it)

    • @dividad1
      @dividad1 2 года назад +4

      This is a concept that was popular last year when a bunch of drummers started covering Everybody Wants to Rule the World. Lots of metric modulation

    • @Ysae791
      @Ysae791 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@TheTheOpTiCJewel It doesn't get slower, he just makes it look that way

  • @teogrunhut8764
    @teogrunhut8764 2 года назад +106

    When the drummer says: "Let's play it in 7/4":

  • @jujcianciolo
    @jujcianciolo Год назад +4

    honored to be referenced in the title! love love love

  • @nikosnikos5082
    @nikosnikos5082 2 года назад +20

    as a drummer i find the composition of the piece quite impressive entertaining and refreshing

  • @ArcherWillows
    @ArcherWillows 2 года назад +877

    definitely an audience of musicians or prog fans that could instinctively count in 7/4 immediately

    • @cupparuppa
      @cupparuppa 2 года назад +67

      i don't think you need to be a prog musician to count to seven man

    • @qqNai
      @qqNai 2 года назад +6

      @@cupparuppa LOLLL

    • @ArcherWillows
      @ArcherWillows 2 года назад +24

      @@cupparuppa you'd be surprised

    • @calebpeters2544
      @calebpeters2544 2 года назад +25

      nah this is chicago man

    • @zon6158
      @zon6158 2 года назад +3

      nah dude i don’t play an instrument or anything but i could count to this with relative ease as most people could i think it’s just a normal crowd lol

  • @william_2007
    @william_2007 2 года назад +675

    I can’t count to seven regularly, let alone to this… Impressive!

    • @ryanthepianoman27
      @ryanthepianoman27 2 года назад +3

      1 2 3… what comes next?

    • @siege6876
      @siege6876 2 года назад +7

      1 2 3 4 1 2 3, thats how i count it

    • @stevelin3659
      @stevelin3659 2 года назад +1

      @@ryanthepianoman27 1223454564567567

  • @papercane6423
    @papercane6423 2 года назад +16

    I'm high, and i tried to clap along, first couple tries were not cool, but at one point i got that hihat pulse and just kept up with the timing all way to the end, that was N I C E

  • @trekq
    @trekq 2 года назад +3

    audience do be playing rhythm doctor

  • @thesheetmusicman
    @thesheetmusicman 2 года назад +93

    They got me clapping behind my computer screen looking like a bozo.

  • @fatherof3husbandto1
    @fatherof3husbandto1 2 года назад +627

    This guy here does not get the credit and admiration he deserves. I know hes got a following and a name that people recognize, but this man is at the very top of his game like ive never seen before.

    • @cooldebt
      @cooldebt 2 года назад +11

      Many musicians don't get the recognition they deserve. I love The Consouls (who did a few VGM jazz covers in odd time signatures eg Enter Waka) but they only have just under 60 000 subs on their channel.

    • @idglet9565
      @idglet9565 2 года назад +2

      @@cooldebt You're the first ever person to ever bring up The Consouls outside of their own videos. They are great.

  • @Foxxorz
    @Foxxorz 2 года назад +21

    This seems like the kind of stuff drummers figure out when they get bored.

  • @johnr.9589
    @johnr.9589 2 года назад +10

    I like how the audience cheers louder the more they fail haha what an awesome dynamic

  • @imrrodri
    @imrrodri 2 года назад +341

    1:57 - 2:02 melted my brain

    • @TheGoldielox
      @TheGoldielox 2 года назад +14

      I think it's kind of like a hemiola going from a 21/8 feel into a 7/4 feel but my brain melted too. The pulse of the 8th note triplets never change but the rest of the groove arranges itself into groups of 4.

    • @TheSquareOnes
      @TheSquareOnes 2 года назад +8

      @@TheGoldielox You're overcomplicating it, it's just grouping the 3s into 4s until he runs out of room in the measure. It's not even that rigid either, you can see that he extends the last one to a group of 5 because otherwise there would be a messy hit right next to the clap (not messy for him obviously, but when you factor in the audience).
      If you want to analyze this as a specific theory technique it would be metric modulation, shifting to a slightly slower tempo where the 8th note is equal to the rate of the 8th note triplet in the previous measure. It's so short-lived though that there's really no reason to think of it that way either, simple grouping communicates the same idea much easier. It's basically the same concept as when people write those dotted quarter note grooves that get cut off in 4/4 (3+3+2 and 3+3+3+3+2+2, hopefully it's clear what I'm talking about since they're everywhere) that are all over pop, rock and every other genre. It just seems alien here because people don't normally regroup triplets and don't normally play with that level of syncopation at all in 7/4.

    • @jeremystig98
      @jeremystig98 2 года назад +2

      He's playing triplets with every 4th note accented instead of every 3rd. Thats what grouping of 4 means. That way it doesnt feel like triplets anymore, altought it actually is.

  • @wofie9785
    @wofie9785 2 года назад +161

    definitely an audience of musicians. also, his playing is so tight I cannot comprehend

  • @LeighDWYC
    @LeighDWYC 2 года назад +3

    What a fantastic drummer! Sliding in and out of so many different rhythms while still maintaining the timing is amazing.

  • @diarmaidmac2149
    @diarmaidmac2149 2 года назад +7

    Normally I hate extended drum solos but I could listen to this all day! Amazing!

  • @Joshyrachi
    @Joshyrachi 2 года назад +492

    I'm a musician who prides himself on his rhythmic capabilities. I would have goofed after the second measure.

    • @flippedmasterguardian
      @flippedmasterguardian 2 года назад +39

      It's incredibly hard to keep track of after he starts his rhythmic illusions, it's amazing that the drummer could keep track himself

    • @charliecampbell6851
      @charliecampbell6851 2 года назад +9

      Second measure? Yikes......

    • @AwesomeMan2696
      @AwesomeMan2696 2 года назад +1

      It’s not hard if you count in your head, but if you don’t it can be tricky

    • @Wtahc
      @Wtahc 2 года назад +3

      then your rhythmic capabilities are bad

    • @Joshyrachi
      @Joshyrachi 2 года назад +10

      I know most people are taking this comment in jest, like was the intent, but I'd suggest the others to not take things so seriously. I get that it's sometimes hard to understand humor over text, but even if this was a 100% real comment, being negative doesn't really help anyone. Anyway happy counting. 🙂

  • @dearthofdoohickeys4703
    @dearthofdoohickeys4703 2 года назад +50

    I only ever did a few years of band class in high school, but one thing I learned was: when the drummer didn’t show up, we sounded like booty-butt cheeks. Drummers are crucial.

  • @lookitdatassby
    @lookitdatassby 2 года назад

    I spent about a month trying to find this particular video. I made sure to add it to my playlist and to give a sub so I can keep seeing cool transcription videos. Your fun editor notes fill me with power.

  • @ExtraFancy96
    @ExtraFancy96 2 года назад +305

    Nate Smith man... also, you should check out a drummer named Petar who plays with Cory Wong, specifically a clip from his live in Minneapolis concert where he is teaching 25/8. Around the one hour 20 minute mark

    • @ExtraFancy96
      @ExtraFancy96 2 года назад +5

      @@tonalddrump255 give me my chipotle

    • @solkvist8668
      @solkvist8668 2 года назад +5

      Give me my chipotle is wonderful. Saw him in Bloomington the day after that recording. An awesome concert

    • @tonalddrump255
      @tonalddrump255 2 года назад +1

      @@ExtraFancy96 I want chips, I want guac

    • @ExtraFancy96
      @ExtraFancy96 2 года назад +1

      @@tonalddrump255 give me my chipote

    • @YoshiEgg25
      @YoshiEgg25 2 года назад +3

      Petar Janjic! I thought of the exact same thing while watching this. "Give me my Chipotle, give me my Chipotle. I want chips, I want guac. Give me my Chipotle, ONE!"

  • @jackyjack121
    @jackyjack121 2 года назад +88

    I love this! Same idea that the first few levels of the game “Rhythm Doctor” are based on, on just how hard it is to count to 7 if you dont have an internal beat

    • @absolutelyincognito6719
      @absolutelyincognito6719 2 года назад +7

      Well, sort of. I just finished Rhythm Doctor, and unlike this video the 7th beat we actually clap on is actually just the fourth beat of 4/4 time. We're counting in eighths which is why it's the seventh beat in the game. It's easier to count to seven in the game than in this video.
      Semi-Spoilers for the game:
      Except for that one level of the game, N1-X, which actually is in 7/4 time.

  • @jaykay3512
    @jaykay3512 2 года назад +1

    Absolutely love this. The beauty of rhythm that exists through music. Have fun with it!

  • @d4ben
    @d4ben 2 года назад +1

    Freakin' amazing l absolutely loved this vid thanks so much for the post.

  • @aproc_
    @aproc_ 2 года назад +182

    An argument for clap on one: it makes the kick pattern symmetrical around the barline (ie it's two repetitions of a pattern in 7/8 beginning on the downbeat).
    I feel very strongly about this!

    • @daryl-anthonymitchell6786
      @daryl-anthonymitchell6786 2 года назад +1

      It helps the audience keep pace

    • @startingQB
      @startingQB 2 года назад +6

      Clapping on one is easier. Maybe that's why he had them clap on 7.

    • @robzecc
      @robzecc 2 года назад +9

      It's totally clap on ONE

    • @sevenorys
      @sevenorys 2 года назад

      Read the notation. It’s claps on 7

    • @danthemaninapan
      @danthemaninapan 2 года назад +1

      I agree it sounds way more natural with clap on the one, at least to Western ears used to 4 on the floor. That's how I heard it before the sheet music

  • @gertnood
    @gertnood 2 года назад +36

    That's a riot, thanks for transcribing it George. His conducting for one bar didn't help at all where 1 was either, but I'll go with clap on 7. This on of those videos you send to all your music-head friends.

    • @danieleatzoridrumchannel7119
      @danieleatzoridrumchannel7119 2 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/0tmGhzpn6SQ/видео.html it was out there since almost 2 years😉

    • @gertnood
      @gertnood 2 года назад

      @@danieleatzoridrumchannel7119 OK, so what? I just saw it.

    • @danieleatzoridrumchannel7119
      @danieleatzoridrumchannel7119 2 года назад

      @@gertnood just wanted to share.. maybe this with the clap on 1 makes more sense or maybe not

    • @gertnood
      @gertnood 2 года назад

      @@danieleatzoridrumchannel7119 OK I see.. didn't know what you meant. I tend to think the challenge is to know where 7 is, and the downbeat is on the bass drum quarter note as George has it written. Either way it is pretty neat.

  • @jesscee5331
    @jesscee5331 5 месяцев назад

    Just found you guys and right on treated with a new song.
    Stay true to yourSelf guys, you are awesome and pure.
    Love from the Netherlands 🙏❤️

  • @TheBcoolGuy
    @TheBcoolGuy Год назад +6

    3:02 Hold on a minute...

  • @NuclearSpinach
    @NuclearSpinach 2 года назад +11

    I played classical and ragtime piano for many years and I struggled a lot here and I'm not even ashamed

  • @TancrediLoCigno
    @TancrediLoCigno 2 года назад +73

    guys, the transcription is all displaced by 1/4 note in the past. the audience is obviously clapping the 1, you can also understand this from the backbeats on 2, 4 and 6 when he starts to groove

    • @Symbioticism
      @Symbioticism 2 года назад +2

      Agree

    • @GeorgeCollier
      @GeorgeCollier  2 года назад +15

      You could say that and it’s a matter of preference, but most of it feels like the clap is on 7. Particularly 1:13 and 1:43. But the transcription is available for free if you want to change it :)

    • @ubershmuck
      @ubershmuck 2 года назад +15

      ​@@GeorgeCollier the claps def supposed to be felt as 1, why would nate play a backbeat on beat 1? the groove makes wayy more sense shifted a quarter over

    • @manflutewarrior
      @manflutewarrior 2 года назад +11

      @@GeorgeCollier he actually conducts a bar of it himself at around the 0:27 mark and the clap is on the downbeat. I think it makes a little more sense that way, but I'm still glad for the transcription

    • @danieleatzoridrumchannel7119
      @danieleatzoridrumchannel7119 2 года назад +1

      ruclips.net/video/0tmGhzpn6SQ/видео.html

  • @Propane_Acccessories
    @Propane_Acccessories 2 года назад +1

    This is how an audition for dream theater would go if i had to guess.
    "okay that was good, now do it while skipping every other note"

  • @jweberends
    @jweberends 2 года назад +5

    I like how the drummers "OOOW" is also in the music tabs

  • @kevindasilva7279
    @kevindasilva7279 2 года назад +10

    Wow that first 7 groove he did was IMMACULATE and beautiful. I have made it my life-long goal to find and also create odd-time grooves/compositions that sound natural and not those that intentionally use the odd nature of them to get that 4 feel but break it midway. Not that I dislike songs like that, but it is so rare to find songs like From Eden - Hozier. I also want to release a few odd-time ideas on my own channel... Just need to record them well :)

    • @cooldebt
      @cooldebt 2 года назад +1

      The Consouls went through a period where they did their VGM jazz covers in odd time signatures - you might enjoy their versions of Enter Waka or Night Walker in 7 (for their 7th birthday), Space Walk or Crystal Snail (OST mostly in 13/8) and a few others

  • @alexanderallegra432
    @alexanderallegra432 2 года назад +62

    Check out king gizzard and the lizard wizard, they had two drummers and their use of 7/8 timing allowed them to alternate between having beat one either be a down beat or syncopated beat for every bar, kind of like the way he is alternating each bar.

    • @nolongerjuicyboiz4413
      @nolongerjuicyboiz4413 2 года назад +4

      which tune?

    • @HieronymousLex
      @HieronymousLex 2 года назад +7

      Bruh there’s like countless bands that use 7 and a load of other time signatures. King Gizzard is nowhere near as mathy as it gets, especially in the prog world.

    • @alexchimi7093
      @alexchimi7093 2 года назад +14

      @@HieronymousLex i don't think he's kg&tlw is special for using 7, i think they're special because they use 7 AND 2 drummers allowing for some crazy syncopation

    • @HieronymousLex
      @HieronymousLex 2 года назад +2

      @@alexchimi7093 having two drummers doesn’t equal more syncopation. Also syncopation isn’t related to time signatures at all, so having 2 drummers playing in 7 has nothing to do with syncopation, just saying.
      Believe me, I’ve been listening to Gizz for years. I love them lol. But I’m a drummer so I’m just saying.

    • @alexchimi7093
      @alexchimi7093 2 года назад +8

      @@HieronymousLex Of course it doesn't, but it's much easier to syncopate and incorporate more complex rhythms if one drummer is focused on one rhythm and the other in another lol

  • @drumskentala
    @drumskentala 2 года назад +1

    I was at this show! Great post, love Nate’s playing and musicianship.

  • @PierreVG
    @PierreVG 2 года назад

    This is incredible. Such a good audience.
    That was very fun to watch !

  • @Wyshes
    @Wyshes 2 года назад +3

    The Great Nate Smith - was a matter of time before this legendary video ended up on here.

  • @sbfcapnj
    @sbfcapnj 2 года назад +15

    You can clearly see him counting all this shit out and, as a drummer, this gives me tremendous amounts of a very special and unique anxiety.

    • @vipermad358
      @vipermad358 2 года назад

      It's a neat trick, but you can't dance to it!

    • @renz-ey707
      @renz-ey707 2 года назад +2

      @@vipermad358 You can totally dance to it.

  • @disaffected_malcontent
    @disaffected_malcontent Год назад +1

    a lot of good metric modulation ideas in here 👍🏻

  • @yuven437
    @yuven437 2 года назад +1

    This is like advanced mathematics in your head on a timer

  • @Caddynars
    @Caddynars Год назад +5

    Years of drumming paid off, actually managed to keep the timing even with the off beats.

  • @hitomi7922
    @hitomi7922 2 года назад +4

    I never thought my brain could hurt so much (in a good way) from listening to a drum beat. This was awesome lol.

  • @davidgpeterson
    @davidgpeterson 2 года назад +2

    This is mind boggling. An unbelievably creative and technical groove.

  • @lizcrosby8303
    @lizcrosby8303 2 года назад

    This is THE MOST ENTERTAINING thing I’ve seen in RUclips all year!!!🔥🔥🔥

  • @TheFarmersLife
    @TheFarmersLife Год назад +3

    In high school jazz we played the Mission Impossible theme. That arrangement switched every measure back and forth from 5/4 to 4/4. The only way I could play it was to ignore that and know how the song went.

  • @ElGrilledCheezus
    @ElGrilledCheezus Год назад +3

    That whole audience deserves an award

  • @Soohook
    @Soohook 2 года назад +1

    So impressed and the audience was excellent for keeping up.

  • @VexChoccyMilk
    @VexChoccyMilk Год назад +1

    Headbanging to Meshuggah for years has prepared me for this moment.

  • @DerFliegendeMocca
    @DerFliegendeMocca 2 года назад +9

    I love how the only difference between just doing stuff and people counting to 7 and being a pro is that he knows when they clap and nods his head. :D

  • @gertnood
    @gertnood 2 года назад +29

    Grouping the triplets in fours finally did the trick.. jeezy petes that's tough. Stupid drummers. LOL as a lowly trumpet player tracking the beat through some of this hurts my limited brain.

  • @jazzman2516
    @jazzman2516 2 года назад

    Absolutely awesome! And the fact that you put ‘ooow’ in the score cracked me up.

  • @bradmuehlenbein
    @bradmuehlenbein Год назад +1

    Best crowd participation by a long shot

  • @jakedarida196
    @jakedarida196 2 года назад +48

    Nate Smith never fails at being absolutely mind blowing

  • @roadworkahead8967
    @roadworkahead8967 2 года назад +3

    That crowd is very lucky I was not in that audience.. I would have probably messed that up so miserably. It would be truly an embarrassing sight

  • @key_gen
    @key_gen 8 месяцев назад +1

    This rhythm doctor update looks crazy

  • @g_niac
    @g_niac Год назад

    such a commanding and unifying moment! that’s a bond that is specific to those who were there for the rest of time. world needs more of this practice

  • @MrHestichs
    @MrHestichs 2 года назад +54

    Isn't the clap on the 1? Considering his phrasing and also the fact he is playing a back beat.

    • @lpharmer3496
      @lpharmer3496 2 года назад +5

      I'm not knowledgeable enough to say yes, but that's how I hear it

    • @Moomoomarios
      @Moomoomarios 2 года назад +2

      Thats how i hear it

    • @alonewanderer4697
      @alonewanderer4697 2 года назад +11

      To me he claps on the seven

    • @MrHestichs
      @MrHestichs 2 года назад +7

      @@lpharmer3496 If you can percieve the groove you are knowledgeable enough.

    • @YoYo10542
      @YoYo10542 2 года назад +3

      I certainly think so. He’s phrasing the bass drum in 4+3 it feels like (and that’s how he conducts it) so I think the clap should be on 1
      Plus it feels like the snare should be on the backbeats of 2&4

  • @jamesgarrison9143
    @jamesgarrison9143 2 года назад +3

    Ah, as a percussionist, we all love these irregular time signatures

  • @ripleyhrgiger4669
    @ripleyhrgiger4669 2 года назад

    This is one of the most exciting and kick ass grooves ever! He's a wonderful drummer and teacher.

  • @ShowTheOreo
    @ShowTheOreo 2 года назад

    Coming up with this on the spot takes massive balls. Legendary stuff

  • @carlpanzram2012
    @carlpanzram2012 2 года назад +3

    Forget about keeping track of the beat, imagine what the drummer mist be feeling. This is this "draw circles wotjthe left and squares with the right hand" in 5 Dimensions

  • @PitXRoxas
    @PitXRoxas 2 года назад +8

    as a flutist who cannot count:
    i must say, this is very impressive

    • @rachelmclaughlin1491
      @rachelmclaughlin1491 Год назад

      if someone counts for me I'm fine, counting and playing I can't do xD

  • @johntheappleseed6585
    @johntheappleseed6585 2 года назад +1

    I come back to this video every now and then to practice clapping to the beat. This drummer's insane

  • @mollyrose2896
    @mollyrose2896 2 года назад +1

    This actually helped me understand counting 7 much better. Thank you!

  • @AllanFelipe
    @AllanFelipe 2 года назад +17

    Does anyone else hears the clap in beat 6 instead of 7? I guess both can be heard or even beat 1, but my ear seems to prefer beat 6.

    • @tastyanagram
      @tastyanagram 2 года назад +3

      Yes

    • @irok1
      @irok1 2 года назад +1

      So you're hearing the start of the bars as leadups into the bar, that makes sense

    • @jutube821
      @jutube821 2 года назад +4

      Same here, I've watched it twice now and it's a 6 for me. That's what makes sense musically in my brain's "rhythm receptors". I can see how it can be a 1 or 7 but it's not natural to me, 6 is.

  • @jimjam1556
    @jimjam1556 2 года назад +15

    I feel like the bar should be shifted over a quarter note, with the clap being on beat 1. That way you would get all the snares on the off beats instead of beats 1 3 and 5 which just feels wrong imo.

  • @allstheartist
    @allstheartist 8 месяцев назад +2

    i love when the audience’s clapping gets more hesitant

  • @jylpah
    @jylpah Год назад +2

    Hats off for the drummer. That was insane. 👏🏻

  • @Ceekayedmusic
    @Ceekayedmusic 2 года назад +4

    The way I got through the brainbenders of 1:58 and 2:10 on time was that I was playing a a keyboard lick in 7 to this to help counting. Muscle memory > brain.

  • @stenduginski2306
    @stenduginski2306 2 года назад +24

    Sorry to be that guy, but Im pretty sure your transcriptipn is off by one beat for two reasons: his backbeats should start on beat 2, not beat 1, and when he conducts the crowd early on he signals the claps on the down beat, not on beat 7.

    • @BalthazarMaignan
      @BalthazarMaignan 2 года назад +2

      I wrote it that way at first but he changed it, must be a musical choice lol

    • @lianharmon
      @lianharmon 2 года назад +3

      Also, the groups of four kinda make sense in beat one. He could also be playing them in beat 7, but it seems more likely like the clapping occurs in beat 1.

    • @BalthazarMaignan
      @BalthazarMaignan 2 года назад +1

      @@lianharmon totally agree with you

  • @dragons_hook
    @dragons_hook Год назад +1

    Its like hes playing a game with the audience, thats so cool!

  • @daffpranco2513
    @daffpranco2513 2 года назад

    Thank you very much for the transcription

  • @rabonour
    @rabonour 2 года назад +50

    Besides what everyone else has said about the backbeat, at 0:31 you can clearly see Smith cue the clap on one.

    • @Johnny-Joseph
      @Johnny-Joseph 2 года назад +2

      ummmm no. He cues on 7 :)

    • @sethkg9596
      @sethkg9596 2 года назад +4

      @@Johnny-Joseph Based on his conducting pattern the clap is the downbeat. He beats 1 2 3 4 - 1 2 3 - (1) CLAP with his hands

    • @Johnny-Joseph
      @Johnny-Joseph 2 года назад +1

      @@sethkg9596 because he is cuing them to clap on 7....

    • @manflutewarrior
      @manflutewarrior 2 года назад +3

      @@Johnny-Joseph I'm sorry but you are incorrect, he conducts a downbeat there, a beat one. As the other person here said: he splits the bar into a 4/4 followed by 3/4

    • @yaanimani2666
      @yaanimani2666 2 года назад +3

      @@Johnny-Joseph you’re very much right, though the whole song, the audience is clapping on beat 7. He just conducts it in a way that cues beat 7

  • @VictorAlvarez-eu7ur
    @VictorAlvarez-eu7ur 2 года назад +4

    7 years of musical experience and I thought I was doing so good until 2:00 , counting in my head is harder than expected

  • @DrumsTheWord
    @DrumsTheWord 2 года назад +2

    Thank goodness I wasn't the only one that found this so difficult. It's all about the imagination of the musician on stage, and in this case, how to fuck us up! :D

  • @ikeatable1
    @ikeatable1 11 месяцев назад +2

    I learned very early on listening to technical music that the hi-hat is your best friend in funky time signatures or polyrhythms.

  • @wereboarder2009
    @wereboarder2009 2 года назад +3

    On my 7th play-through, I finally learned to to count to 7.

  • @nissanv6TT
    @nissanv6TT 2 года назад +3

    I'd be in the crowd clapping wrong just to try to mess him up but he's just too good lol

  • @Dev1nci
    @Dev1nci 2 года назад

    This is just great. I come back every now and then 😄

  • @milkgrapes6420
    @milkgrapes6420 Год назад +2

    I absolutely love the minimal use of the drum kit. Nate Smith.