5 Support Facets you have to try
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
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Shadow Shaman Guide - • Shadow Shaman's new In...
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0:00 - Intro
0:11 - Dark Willow
2:15 - Shadow Shaman
3:11 - Grimstroke
7:39 - Venomancer
10:05 - Honorable Mentions
12:01 - Clockwerk
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pleague carrier veno is ultra meme, you cant smoke or invis the plague wards and they are always a dead giveaway
oh... oh
Oop. Guess it's good I'm not using that anymore.
The worst thing is that you're giving up vision + blink cancellation potential when you choose to do that instead of placing it normally
LOL that is so funny, it does moral damage, imagine a freeking flowting snake, going around your jungle.
@@oscargonzalez3599 when you see snakes fly, you know it's time to RUN!
Veng "Soul strike" venom orb with blood Grenade get easy 28% movement slow in early is good, plus you have stun
3:11
Just go hurricane pike and abyssal blade so you can stun on hit from further away
(Patient zero) Noxious Plague is so good. It's almost like an aghs scepter level of buff to the Spell. Meanwhile, the Aghs scepter of Veno is quite underwhelming compared to the previously much loved Poison Nova. It's only good for core Veno but we all know that Veno isn't really an ideal core as he lacks a lot of things that makes a good core (no escape mechanics, not much of an initiator, mediocre range, way too squishy compared to most cores and not much of a hard CC). The shard is much better though as it's a step up of the previous Latent Toxicity effect which is now embedded in Gale to it can effectively affect multiple targets. The main downside of this however, is that Veno no longer have a Linken breaking spell. That being said, His facet upgraded ult syncs so well with Grimstroke's Soulbind.
I don't even understand veno aghs
The new Veno Aghs scepter simply makes it so that the more debuff from Veno that the target has, Veno's normal attack hits much stronger. Basically, you'd need to build up H. Pike(to increase his mediocre range so as to be able to right click more effectively) and a lot of items that apply debuff to enemies to maximize its potential. I think it's a pathetic attempt to make Veno a right clicker when his true strength lies in his ability to provide extra ground vision, apply poison/slows and interupt blink dagger attempts with his wards. His ult is also a valuable team fight spell especially with the new facet upgrading it into something that can be considered as Scepter level.
Venge with Soul Strike won’t miss hitting high ground targets because of the melee component. Had a couple of games with it and it was damn easy to push tier 3 tower lol.
first 10 seconds had me so pogged that Dark Seer support may be a thing lol
We were baited
I used to play a lot of right-click vengeful carry, desolator+daedelus+MoM+Sange&Yasha, the new facet makes it insane.
Soul strike on pos 4 venge just for orb of venom, one orb of venom will do more DMG throughout the game than a 0.75 DMG increase on missiles.
Education and humour on point
They should add a movespeed bonus for clockwerk around the powercogs so he could be more mobile in kicking those cogs to make a combo.
That Stroke of Fate is a long shot, literally and figuratively. Yes, it's far-reaching, has high potential, but the projectile moves too slowly to be reliable - you know, heroes don't stand still in lane.
I think the other facet would get more tangible and consistently uses.
I used Cluster Cluck to save an ally from Necro's Reapers Scythe.
you must have done it within the 0.1s timing
SS is so damn fun now with the new save
@@PP-ss3zf its an impressive play to pull it off under pressure but not super mechanically hard because of how visually clear scythe is and instant cast time on hex
@maxson7355 the instant cast time is definitely the reason why I was able to do it.
@@PP-ss3zf dude, Repear's Scythe last for 1.5s before damage is dealt. It's not hard to save people from it, as long as you got presence of mind.
Oh man that clockwerk cogs tech lmao that's hilarious
Everyone sleeping on lich facet Growing Cold - it's amazing in early teamfights when you use ult near creeps!
Not to mention the extended frost shield for 1. farming stacks mid game and 2. reducing damage on initiators (who will most likely get a kill during the buff => increasing buff time => more likely to escape)
It's great in legend 1 bracket anyway
I think one of the great thing about the new power cog is that it pulls enemies from a bigger radius almost the size of Reverse Polarity.
Support lion with fist is actually Very good, cus now you open with finger, move in to melee hit with your carry and apply the fist debuff, if you die that's fine cus you gain the charge even while dead. Plus you now have your respawn buff ready for the next finger cool down.
As meme as plague career is, it's A situationally good laning ability if you get to your level 3 with a few stacks on you - no one can ever trade into you. Your do way too much damage but guess what they can't run away because you have gale so your enemy just dies
Last night on King Potato's stream we learned that Huskar is completely unaffected by Power Cogs. Best theory is that cogs effects depend on the mana burn, and since Huskar now has no mana, none of the effects trigger. So Huskar just moseys through the gap.
Lion finger melee facet is absolute bonker. Literally 100% uptime buff for the finger stack
100% uptime with aghs
Damn your view counts have gone up! Knew it would happen. This channel has been great from the start!
Had a fine art game as grim when I was up against shadow demon and chaos knight, it's unironally the better option against illusion heavy lineups, you end up having a 5 second cooldown 6-700 damage nuke flinging into their backline repeatedly
Melee Vengeful can use echo basher and stuff like that :O
Grimstroke was and remains one of the best support and, it was quite interesting to see the new opportunities from his Facet. Nevertheless, less convinced about Venomancer. Was so-so before 7.36. And now, I honestly ask: why do you pick him while you can pick Ancient Apparition (considering the player handles both in a good way).
Since 7.36, only losses with Venomancer, only victories with Ancient Apparation, for a "similar" ultimate.
Soul Strike Venge with an orb of venom is amazing in lane and the reduced BAT helps in the late late game too. More damage against cores on Magic Missile feels bad because of BKB
feelsbad when you have to wait 6s just to stun a carry
@@dzulfiqardifa6037with soul strike you just stun through bkb with abyssal!
Support Venge with basher has been great for me
funny af reaction with the cogs
Future zaq came to save the day
"it's a video game, we're supposed to be having fun"
looks like someone has nvr played a single ranked game in SEA before
Playing ranked is the first step in the wrong direction here No fun allowed 😡
I was on board, but he showed some boring ass facet after talking about fun. Wow 4 more willow roots
@@dolod777 So new clockwork coggs looks like "boring ass" to you?
Sad life. Go play lol
i totally agree. dude in SEA we play like our life and pride is on the line.
Treant and Undying are my favourite right now. Going up on ranked right now 🎉
Around 9:30 when the plague spreads, looks like instead of spreading from the last mk it gets refreshed and lasts longer before spreading? Wonder how that affects final damage. Looks like on all but that last monkey king they effectively got an extra round of dot damage
Yeah its a wild interaction. you put them all in a straight line you can get up to 30seconds of ult time
Only time you're getting rich with Fine Art.
Level 25 grim here. Fine art is an GIGA MEME. There is like 2 scenarios I see it being played one of them is a puck with that curved talent and even then it’s trash! Grims bane was always that the Stun needed a set up stun to fully work, now, I silence slow, then stun on demand reliably. That was always the weakness of the hero but with inkstigate its fixed. Grimstroke spammers like myself will understand this. Fine art is a meme, please pick it in your pubs, make my life easier 😂😂😂
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No rank, no opinion. Who the fuck names their hero level as validation ?!
@@LeOssiTrollterrible someone’s angry today.
you could already manually trigger it last patch. they just made it a facet....
@@idunno4real while i havent tested it yet, i play grim a bit (200+ games, 70% winrate, divine rank), I kinda agree with your comment, BUT, the other guy is right. No rank = no weight to your comment.
I have a friend who is level 30 on at least 10 heroes, he's still
LOOOOOL 12:58
I think slarks new regen at lvl 1 might make him viable support. Wanna try centaur support too
Can someone helping me. Im cannot connect to the match after finding match. It’s started since the new patch.
they nerfed lion a lot i dont rely on his mana drain anymore playing him, but being allowed to not take the damage is amazing. because eternal shroud always countered lions mana drain
i still want the old clock tho. because the new patch clockwerk is pretty hard for a clockwerk spammer who knows only the old patch clockwerk. make a facet that enables the old patch clock please
When i was playing against venomancer he ulted the creep wave and the thing bounced on me 5 or 7 times. Needless to say i was dead after that
Do you think Pack Rat support Meepo can be a thing?
I mean halving CD on items like Scythe, Abyssal, Eul's, Force staff, etc...
The entire point of picking a hero in the support role is picking a hero that doesnt need gold or items to have impact, if you pick meepo as a support and dont farm you are going to be pathetically weak, and if you farm normally you are going to be griefing your cores.
That isnt even mentioning the fact that he is a slow melee hero, which makes stacking/pulling way harder. Dewarding is also going to be way harder as you need to walk up to high ground to deward if wards are there and he has no spells that grant vision so dewarding highground is even harder after already being even harder.
@@ikthranithul6000 You are wrong on many points about Meepo. You clearly don't play the hero.
I agree that Meepo without farm is a bit weaker than a true support without farm. But, not necessarily. It all depends on how you play him.
Support Meepo relies on poof to deal damage instead of autoattacks (which need items to scale). It deals a lot of damage early if you level it first.
Pos 4 Meepo can very easily jungle from level 3-4. Jungle is so big now. It won't grief carries early game, because Meepo can still stack at the same time.
Meepo slow?!? Meepo's movement has been nerfed in the very last patch. Before this last partch, Meepo was the absolute fastest hero at 330. But now, at 320, Meepo is still among the top 10% fastest heroes.
Stacking is easy. I lane Meepo mid and I can stack at the same time without any problem. And been doing it for years. I really don't see the problem. As a support, I can easily stack 2-3 camps at the same time.
For high ground vision, Meepo has Earthbind. It provides vision long enough to take any wards down. 1s vision and 2 Meepos does the trick easy.
Yeah, I think you don't play the hero.
@@KelGhu Lmao just because something works in your 1000 mmr games doesnt mean its optimal
imagine having a vector for the cog direction...
13:00 🤣
Nice
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I got cocked by a lion mid yesterday. The carry lifestealer on my team got oneshot through the entire game solo by lion, that felt very stupid 😅 LS didn't buy any strength items though, but i think even if LS had a heart the damage lion did lategame would still fully kill him. He killed him without even having to use stun after the hex 😆
6:06 chunk down this Axe with Axetra damage!!!
soul strike with orb of venom
10:25 you should be allowed to toggle ability between versions when facets change them. Like Snap should have Scatterblast AND Full Bore in the same skill when that facet is picked.
Talk about how they made io even worse lol. They pretty much removed his old overcharge ability and made it a facet. Rip to io
I've played a lot of Vengeful Spirit pre and post update, Even as a support I prefer the soul strike talent. I feel like the damage you get on missile is not really good enough.
Lets say you cast magic missile on the other teams carry 40 minutes into the game, they have 465 last hits and 30 denies, which you wouldn't even know, that is only 370 extra damage BEFORE factoring in magic resistance, its laughable for a core that late into the game.
Stroke of fate facet is bad. The vector represents poorly, and the things that are good about it, like hitting multiple camps, or hitting heroes through waves, can be done with the regular stroke, its just harder. But what you lose is the ability to make ink swell much more high skill. Losing skill ceiling for skill floor is bad, even if its more fun.
Personally i think io and oracle are the strongest supports of the patch.
Divine 3 veno spammer here
Last patch i predicted a nerf in deny mechanics and it happened
This time, my dose of copium for the veno buff: let plague carrier also grant all damage barrier 😂😂
Er I think you missed a power cog
Grim is bad for new players and low mmr because he needs an initiator or core to just baby sit. Also stroke is so bad dmg wise if nothing gets hit but like one hero.
Yo bodyguard marcy+wr ulti n io level 25 talent. Brutal
dark willow is carry
12:59 , 13:04
stroke of fate is very stupid. the enemy is not even moving and you already have a hard time hitting. and it doesn't even deal that much damage.
Cluster Cluck is a double edged sword imo
great DEFENSIVELY
horrible OFFENSIVELY esp if either you or an ally is on top of an enemy
FUN FOR EVERYONE
I mean why would you use it offensively tho lol
you can still hex opponents y'know
i highly DONT recommend pos5 techies but i highly RECOMMEND the melee venge, its insane and u can get basher later to stop bkb users
Oh I get it now, the melee bonuses.
@@d3vilmaycry25to summarize the melee attack effects:
-no high ground miss chance
-more slow on orb of venom
-better bash chance on abyssal
-double strike on echo saber
You’re still a ranger hero so you get
-more range on dragon Lance
-less damage block on abyssal
Inate Kinetic Wall of Disruptur is usless as AF . Its like kinetic field but open on 3 sides
Fun??? This man is griefing
^^^^ 1k mmr maidenless behaviour