Very well explained and analogie. A lot of people don't understand what's going on with the solar controller and then the converter. Which confuses people. Great job. You don't need to change out your converter with a lithium upgrade, but it's best if you want to recover faster to 100 %
I waited to watch this video, I thought it’s not really for me. So I finally got some extra time and I just watched this video I am super impressed it completely explained the difference between inverters and converts! Very helpful video thank you!
I replaced my old converter with the 100 Amp power max. It's great really. It will charge a big bank of batteries and run everything much better than the one that came factory on our holiday rambler. We have 1800 watts of solar and a leaf power wall for our 120 but I kept all the 12 volt stuff too. I like victron it's nice but expensive.
I have not purchased an RV yet, but I have been watching numerous RUclips videos regarding the topic including upgrades and just plain travel videos. Your videos offer excellent tips and advice. I think that I would lean towards going with a total lithium install or retrofit. Great information as always.
Great idea. We did almost 2 years of research before buying our RV. We finally have our truck and RV and will be hitting the road full time next year. We can't wait.
We just bought a smart battery charger at Walmart. We don’t have the money to buy an expensive converter. The old converter was making weird noises so I disconnected the fan and the primary on the transformer and we got a 15 amp charger and it does a good job. With one solar panel and a 700 watt generator we only pay out $30-$40 a month for gas and oil for the generator that has a 2stroke engine. We plan to get more solar panels
BOY do I wish I had seen this a few months ago! Put an older charger (10 amp) on my brand new wet lead plate battery, and forgot about it, until I saw the battery smoking. Killed that battery, wasted money, put our “home away from home” in a precarious position. AND I had to get a new battery. Lesson learned.
I can swear in my new RV the fans on the converter have never gone on. I had it replaced under warranty by the dealer because we kept getting a high pitch squeal from the converter when two many DC items were running. The new one does not squeal now, but I check it over an over and I have never seen those fans spinning. Perhaps I should swap it with a different one. Also I would love to get your help with installing solar on my rig if that is something you would be interested in. We can talk in more detail if so. Safe travels and another great video.
The converter charger that cam with my 5th wheel died due to a power surge, and I replaced it with a Progressive Dynamics Inteli-Power 9200. The batteries I bought after installing that are holding up much better and require less maintenance than the last ones.
Thanks for doing this video. I am upgrading my RV electrical from the original '91 model...yeah 32 years old and I want to add some upgrades to it (electrical slides, addl plugs, etc.) This gives me the need for one and its so confusing otherwise. Appreciate the clarity!
Thanks again for explaining a technical issue in lay mans terms. I have enjoyed viewing your videos. Just discovered your channel as part of following along KYD!
thank you for sharing I am a single old woman. My husband was like You but he decided after 37 yrs of marriage this younger woman he met was what he wanted to be doing. So You're wonderful for sharing I luckily got to have two sons, they are married so I can't get as much help as I need but I pick and choose my battles I really need help with. I found RUclips and its saving my kids from a lot of their time, and me from hearing OH MOM, just hire someone or Oh Mom I wished I had time whatever so many Oh moms. But they are wonderfuful and have all been my Heros since My divorce.
For one, I’m so sorry to hear about this as it just breaks my heart. Second, I’m so thankful that our videos are a help to you and hope that they continue to be helpful to you!
I can attest to GoPower being pretty good quality. They are the higher priced inverters on the market but worth the investment. Their customer support is decent too. Great informative video as usual Jared!
I bought the 24v 2000 watt pure sine inverter. That thing has taken a beating for over a year and it’s still running smoothly. I’m gonna be upgrading to the gp 3000 watt inverter/charger soon though
Just replaced my single 12v batteries with dual 6v. Saw comments about how the factory convertor tends to kill batteries. Googled and boom of course you have a video. Should have checked your channel first haha
Fantastic video! Was thinking about upgrading my batteries and thought it might be a good idea to upgrade the converter to help get the most out of new expensive batteries and this was very helpful. Thanks! Subscribed
Great Video, why not leave the acid battery controller where it is, power off circuit breaker to controller. Install new controller in the front bay on the 5th wheel trailer near the batteries. Run your POS & NEG cables from new controller directly to your lithium batteries? If you ever decide to go back to acid batteries discount new controller and turn old old controller at circuit breaker.?
The biggest problem with the progressive dynamic lithium converter is that it maintains 14.6 volts in lithium mode after charging. This is really not good for lithium batteries. They should be maintained at closer to 13.6 volts and having them sitting that high all the time both significantly shorten their lifespans.
My reply from renogy “Not at all. The controller will see any outside source charge on the battery and limit any input from the panels to keep the batteries from overcharging. The controller also has a blocking diode to prevent any back feed from that outside source charge through the controller and to the panels. “
I used a 4 stage boondocker model 60 amp in my last rv and it worked great. Had dual 6v batteries and kept them in tip top shape and after several years still going. In my new trailer I will do the same. Maybe this time a 100amp boondock with dual 6v.
A word of warning about the PowerMax converter-chargers. Put a meter on one and you'll see that they never put out anywhere near their rated output. For example, the 55A unit won't charge at more than 19-20A, no matter what you do. It WILL fully charge your battery if you wait long enough, but only on utility power. If you're trying to charge from a generator, running all night isn't feasible. Second complaint: PowerMax doesn't like to provide firm performance data, troubleshooting info or any technical assistance at all. I and several friends were burned by this brand, and eventually bit the bullet and bought converter-chargers from Iota Engineering. American made, and a solid, reputable company that actually returns phone calls.
So you are saying, my 55amp, does not put out the stayted amps, I am upgrading from a 45 amp, burnt out to 55 amp wyco 3 stage. So should I upgrade breaker from the panel and wires to the battery?
ok..... I just got off the phone with IOTA, (they got bought out, so no longer US assembled...BUT all inventory goes thru them for parts and quality control, plus they employ AZ people so awesome!) Had a great conversation with a tech, helped me with sizing, module type...etc. Need to replace stock WFCO converter and Deep cycle setup on my 5th wheel toy hauler. thanks for the tip, cause NOT many are legit!
This is almost certainly due to the wiring between your battery and the converter. Most camper manufacturers woefully undersize this wiring and it causes a significant voltage drop between the converter and the battery which makes the converter think that the battery is almost fully charged the entire time causing it to not put out the current it's supposed to.
@@DoRC I'm going through this right now. I installed 2 100ah Battleborn battereries and with my original li-AGM-LA charger it took several hours to charge the batteries when set to lithium. So I bought a lithium only 70A converter charger from Progressive Dynamics and still several hours to charge. I'm Getting 14.6V at the charger and 13.4V at the batteries. The amperage will vary between 12A and 30A on my shunt battery monitor. I have 6 gauge wire and the batteries are about 12' away from the charger. Do you think I need to run heavier gauge wire?
Great video's both in content & production. One thing I keep missing regarding inverters/chargers (or converters?). How are the DC circuits such as awning, slide motors, lights, etc. powered? All I see on the Victron MultiPlus as well as others is DC in, AC in, & AC out. I see where there is an on-board switch to be able to switch from shore or generator to battery power. But can't tell how the on board DC circuits are powered.
My old trailer had a 35 amp converter charger and I never saw over 9 amps on my meter. I think it was due to the long run of small gauge wire to the batteries. I am not sure installing a larger unit would guarantee you ever see the advertised output.
I'm in that same situation where the front two lead acid batteries are a long run, 2/3 of the 29' trailer, to the converter charger and yes, with small gauge wire. So I just ran my own heavy 4 gauge welder's wire from the second terminal of the charger/converter straight to the battery bank. I agree this makes more of a difference vs throwing more amps through a thinner wire. Thus I my opinion I don't need to change out my 55 amp WFCO three stage charger/converter. Now if I had lithium batteries, that's a different story...maybe one day, then I would need massive amps charge capabilities.
Thanks for the details on your posts. You rock! I own a 2020 Forest River Class C. with 2 lead acid batteries. I have a very basic question - How do the house (same thing as coach?) batteries get recharged?
Good video as usual which is why I’m a subscriber lol. I have a question for you. I’m wanting to upgrade the electrical system in my RV and I’m getting lost in all the choices and options as well as all the technical jargon. I’m probably over complicating it so I thought I’d ask for some advice. Can you tell me where I should begin lol. Also, other than your fantastic channel where should I go to get the info I need to keep this a DIY project? Even basics like which battery should I get, do I need a converter or inverter and which should I consider and so on and so forth. I hope that makes sense lol Thank you for any advice/help Cheers mate and happy trails
I like RV with Tito he has a lot of really good information about solar. When it comes to batteries it depends on your budget. Lithium is the best with a large upfront cost, if I couldn’t afford lithium but could get an AGM then that would be my next choice. My last choice if cost was the concern I would do sets of 6 volt golf cart batteries. The place to start is figure out how much power you want in your battery bank how much you plan to use at any given point of time will tell you how big of an inverter you want and then pick how many watts of solar you want to replace what you use out of your batteries or how big of a generator. This might be easier if I just plan to do a video on designing your Rv electrical system.
Yes! Please do a video on designing an RV electrical system. It would be really helpful. I have done a ton of research and am about to go full time (with a wife and two kids), but still feel like I have no clue as to the best system for me and am stumbling in the dark with all the choices. I know I want lithium. I think I am going to start with 400Ah, but I am pretty lost from that point forward. I'd gladly pay for a couple hours of coaching, too, if that is an option.
Converter chargers can operate quite differently depending on which brand/model you choose. List out what you specifically need and start researching everything available today. Most converter chargers do not care if shore power is from a generator or the power company yet some do. Switching from one to the other is usually done manually. You might speak to Progressive Dynamics as they are customer oriented and always happy to help you find the right unit for your rig.
Great videos! A had purchased and Power Max PM3-100K 100 AMP converter and then wondered how I was supposed to hook it up with my existing Magnatek model 6332 32AMP distribution panel and I t looks like you have a similar Distribution panel to mine. I was wondering how I was supposed to hook it up with the plug that it comes with. I never have taken off the lower part of the distribution panel to see what's in there. I think the reason for my confusion is that the power comes in and as far as I can tell, the 30AMP cord goes right into the panel. So my question is: Where do you put the plug you installed? Is it before the panel or somewhere after the panel? I really appreciate any help you may be able to provide for me. Thank You
VERY informative, however, even with the mountain of internet "info", I am unable to determine whether an upgrade from our AGM is as simple as a multistage converter, or if there are any concerns within the trailer circuitry when drawing from a lithium. We're not hooked up to shore power very often, and would use our standalone generator and external lithium charger (direct to the posts) when needed. Shouldn't be this confusing.
Great video. 👍 and subbed. iotta send you a unit to try yet?? I have lots of experience with the inteliwizard. A company we use that has ove 800 rental trailers for stars uses them exclusively. They last long time and rarley have problems. Looking forward to new batter tech.
Great video! Keep them coming. I am trying to find a by-pass switch on line to by pass my Magnum m3012 inverter from shore power to my sub panel. If I ever need to work on or repair my inverter. I can't seem to find a "by pass" switch on line. Is it called something else? Would a 60amp manual transfer switch work? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Did KYD have one?
Thanks for the video, Jared. We never camp without an electric service so is a converter upgrade of any value for us? We have a WFCO8955. The only time our trailer is without shore power is when on the road or if campground power is out. For when its in storage, I have a simple Blue Sea Systems ON-OFF battery shutoff switch. Our battery is a basic Interstate Group 24 lead acid model that the dealer installed.
How does it work if there are numerous chargers in the system? 1. Trailer factory single stage converter charger, 2. Solar charger, 3. and I was thinking of connecting a smart charger like NOCO genius G7200. Will they fight each other? Will the smart charger try to maintenance charge when full while the trailer's converter keeps pumping? I'm confused how this all works and how the batteries are actually charged with multiple chargers on the system. Thanks for any help!
Great Vid!! For those of us that may have a single stage, is there something we can put at the battery to turn off the charging power to maybe help it float? I'm aware of the battery minder chargers but that requires 120V.
Thank you so much for this episode! So this is the new one you put in? PowerMax PM3-55. I have a lead acid battery. Would this one be suitable for my battery type?
Love your channel! How did you add the outlet?? About to go full time and want to add an outlet behind the toilet for an electric bidet. Can not find videos on adding an outlet to the RV.....
If is possible too, can you help me? I am in the design phase to transform a Sprinter 211 cdi, new (2021), L1H1, all a little tight !!!!, but perfect for use here in Europe and exploring small towns, easy to park ... etc But now I got to the point of doing the electrical project, which I'm not used to doing, I'm a civil engineer, I understand 110 / 220v AC circuits. I wish you could help me with that part. I'm Brazilian, but I also live a lot here in Portugal, where I'm going to do the conversion. Well, I started making a spreadsheet, with the equipment, the necessary power and time of daily use, I have no intention of filling the motorhome with things, not least because it is a Sprinter L1H1, and I would like to have a simple electrical installation, but I would not like have gas inside, so I would prefer a stove with only one induction zone. To heat the water it would be a D6 truma, which is diesel. But from the calculations I made and compared with others I saw on the net, it seems that it ends up consuming a lot of energy, making the electrical part more expensive. I don't want to spend so much just because of induction. I don't know what other electrical equipment I would still need for everything to work, still using the car's alternator and an external 220v point when stopped at a camping site. In your opinion, which a good configuration sufficient to have a quick meal, with induction and stay out of the network for a day or two?which a good configuration sufficient to have a quick meal, with induction and stay out of the network for a day or two? Well, the result of the spreadsheet was: 220V equipment notebook - 65w - 1 hour of use - 5.4 Ah induction cooker - 1800w - 0,4 hour of use - 60 Ah 12V equipment USB - 50w - 1 hour of use - 4.2 Ah refrigerator - 45w - 8 hours of use - 30 Ah lights - 15w - 3 hours of use - 1.3 Ah water pump - 42 w - 0.5 hours of use - 1.8 Ah exhaust fan wc - 40 w - 1 hour of use - 3.3 Ah I will be very grateful if you can help me by presenting an wiring electrical diagram with the necessary equipment. I appreciate if you answer. my address is: joaolp55 @ gmail com Thanks
I've looked into these multi stage converters and the reviews are mixed which one is the all in one big daddy?running lithium batteries living full time with solar running all electronics
Hello Jared, thank you so much for your detailed videos. My question pertains to leaving my RV plugged in at home while not in use. Primarily, I am worried about leaving the RV plugged in for long periods of time while not in use and damaging the house batteries; mainly by overcharging. I would like to keep the fridge running and allow the A/C to keep the RV cool. I reside in Miami and I don't have to tell the kind of weather we have here. I will be purchasing a 2021 Coachmen Mirada 35OS. It is 50amp RV and I will be installing a 50amp plug at my home. I am not sure if the RV has a single stage or multi-stage converter. In summary, I would like to confirm that if I install a quality multi-stage converter (like one of the ones you recommend) in the RV, will it safely allow me to leave the RV plugged in to the 50amp plug at my home for long periods of time without damaging my house batteries? Thank you so much for your assistance.
Really enjoy your videos, and I learned a lot from the install you did for KYD. I need to replace my battery in my 5th wheel, and I'm thinking about switching to an AGM battery. Will the Powermax PM3-55 work with AGM batteries? Thx Kent
Maybe I missed this explanation: We have upgraded to four golfcart batteries. At 215Ah a piece x 4, we have 860AH with 430AH usable. I've seen the 10% rule, the 30% rule and multiple other thoughts about what size to get. On that power max-you can buy a 45, 75, or 100. Will I do damage to these batteries if I do the 100? It seems like it would charge the batteries faster on a genny.
Hello, Golf cart batteries are usually 6 volts. So a 12 volt system would give you 430 amps, 2 series parallel battery bank. So 215 amps usable at a DOD of 50%. Max charge rate is C10 or in your case 43 amps. Using a three stage charger will give your batteries a longer life. Heat is detrimental for battery life, so charging at 100 amps would heat them up unless you have a temperature compensated battery charger it could damage them. There are several converters that have 3 or 4 stage charging capabilities. Get some HydroCaps to replace the original caps and you very minimal battery maintenance.
Jared, I have a 15 year old converter charging 4 -12volt deep cycle acid batteries. I noticed after plugging into a park site for 3 hours one battery was really warm so I checked with my multimeter. Incoming charge voltage was still 14.5 volts. I unplugged the converter and all the batteries read 12.5 volts (fully charged). Could my Converter be bad because it's not lowering the charging voltage?
Old video but I have a question. I called Xantrex today and they claim that they do NOT have a Convertor option in any of their products. Yes, they have an Invertor/Charger but it only charges the batteries and does NOT provide 12vdc amps for things like a convertor would do, such as you mentioned running out the slides, leveling system, etc, i.e. things that need a boost of amps. So, I'm not sure if I believe the Xantrex rep I spoke with, but perhaps you can comment on the Invertor/Charger from Xantrex actually being a Convertor as well?
Thanks for the explanations in the video. But I have a doubt: how to calculate the power of the battery charger when the campervan is connected to an external source, in a camping. what the specifications of this charger are. thanks
I have acid batteries and my converter overcharges them and got acid all over my front compartment and battery box. What smart converter would you recommend ? Also if you install a smart converter does that require you to change inverter also? Thanks love your videos! Bill Armstrong
Depending on your converter there is a setting or jumper to set it to regular charge instead of fast charge which causes over charging. Inverters are independent of the charging system unless you have an all in one like a Magnum or Victron. With the more expensive inverters the charge settings can be fully adjusted to suit any type of batteries.
VERY good vd keep up the good work.. I HAVE 2PANEL OF MAXIMUM VOLTAGE 52.8V MAXIMUM 3.32 AMP EACH. WHAT SISE OF REGULATER CHARGER WILL I NEED FOR A 12VOLTS AND 30AMP SERVICES PANEL
Jared, thanks for all the great information. I have a related question; my 15 amp breaker for the converter cuts out when I’m charging the batteries off my generator. My Epoch 300 Ah battery wants to pull in 50-78 amps and it seems like too much for my converter? I bought a 15 amp charger with my Epoch battery and used it to charge my Epoch fully for its initial charge. Can I use my solar generator (off-line from my RV) to power that 15 amp charger to charge my battery while it is hooked up to the RV and being used by the RV? Kind of a convoluted question but don’t want to hurt my lifepo4 battery. Thanks!
Question - trying to choose between the powermax and the progressive. What did you like better about the progressive (AGM batteries)? Based on their descriptions they seem similar but powermax is half the price. Great Video btww, like all your videos!
I like my Iota... set it for my lead acid batteries...I would like to use a feature with a switch to charge my batteries at 14.4.v when ruining a generator but the location is difficult to access. The location of the converter is important, I'm thinking it should be closer to the batteries with thicker wire?
Hey Jarrad, On a new 2021 Rockwood Travel Trailer with the solar package can I replace the AGM battery with a new Lithium Ion battery just plug and play. It has the charge controller in the bedroom. Thanks for your help Jarrad!
Great video! Question: Right now we have a 1200W Xantrax Inverter that only appears to be powering the lights, slides, awnings, that sort of thing. None of our outlets (except the microwave) are hot when on inverter only. Would upgrading the inverter to a higher wattage power some outlets or is the camper hard-wired to only run certain loads regardless? I assume the latter. We have a residential frig that's electric only so we can't even have that powered when traveling or dry camping. Of course the TVs are not powered either. Just curious.
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Outstanding video. My OEM controller failed a week ago, now going thru this exact decision process. Greatly appreciated.
Thank you for being the only one who takes the time to explain this
Very well explained and analogie.
A lot of people don't understand what's going on with the solar controller and then the converter.
Which confuses people. Great job.
You don't need to change out your converter with a lithium upgrade, but it's best if you want to recover faster to 100 %
I waited to watch this video, I thought it’s not really for me. So I finally got some extra time and I just watched this video I am super impressed it completely explained the difference between inverters and converts! Very helpful video thank you!
Glad this was helpful to you!
I replaced my old converter with the 100 Amp power max. It's great really. It will charge a big bank of batteries and run everything much better than the one that came factory on our holiday rambler. We have 1800 watts of solar and a leaf power wall for our 120 but I kept all the 12 volt stuff too. I like victron it's nice but expensive.
I have not purchased an RV yet, but I have been watching numerous RUclips videos regarding the topic including upgrades and just plain travel videos. Your videos offer excellent tips and advice. I think that I would lean towards going with a total lithium install or retrofit. Great information as always.
Thanks!
Great idea. We did almost 2 years of research before buying our RV. We finally have our truck and RV and will be hitting the road full time next year. We can't wait.
I always like the way you can explain and demonstrate concepts for lay RVer’s like me. Thank you
Your explanation was very good. I'm glad your around for us newbies.
I know this is an 'old' video, but you used great analogies. Well Done
I would agree mike! Great analogies used to explain the sulphation process
We just bought a smart battery charger at Walmart. We don’t have the money to buy an expensive converter. The old converter was making weird noises so I disconnected the fan and the primary on the transformer and we got a 15 amp charger and it does a good job. With one solar panel and a 700 watt generator we only pay out $30-$40 a month for gas and oil for the generator that has a 2stroke engine. We plan to get more solar panels
BOY do I wish I had seen this a few months ago! Put an older charger (10 amp) on my brand new wet lead plate battery, and forgot about it, until I saw the battery smoking. Killed that battery, wasted money, put our “home away from home” in a precarious position. AND I had to get a new battery. Lesson learned.
Brilliant video! You are a master at explaining and simplifying complex ideas. So appreciated! ❣️
I can swear in my new RV the fans on the converter have never gone on. I had it replaced under warranty by the dealer because we kept getting a high pitch squeal from the converter when two many DC items were running. The new one does not squeal now, but I check it over an over and I have never seen those fans spinning. Perhaps I should swap it with a different one. Also I would love to get your help with installing solar on my rig if that is something you would be interested in. We can talk in more detail if so. Safe travels and another great video.
The converter charger that cam with my 5th wheel died due to a power surge, and I replaced it with a Progressive Dynamics Inteli-Power 9200. The batteries I bought after installing that are holding up much better and require less maintenance than the last ones.
Thanks for doing this video. I am upgrading my RV electrical from the original '91 model...yeah 32 years old and I want to add some upgrades to it (electrical slides, addl plugs, etc.) This gives me the need for one and its so confusing otherwise. Appreciate the clarity!
Thanks again for explaining a technical issue in lay mans terms. I have enjoyed viewing your videos. Just discovered your channel as part of following along KYD!
Love your explanations, your voice is also great. Keep producing.
Good explanation with examples that make it easy to understand batteries and converters.
My new favorite RV channel.
Our lead acid batteries are much healthier after changing to a 3 stage converter.
Nicely done and very helpful. There’s so much information out there i needed a simplified approach.
Excellent! (as usual) How about a video on how to do the swap between an old single stage and a multistage.
what if you have lithium batteries, will i need a differnt convertoer?
That is the million dollar question since no one has lead acid batteries anymore!
thank you for sharing I am a single old woman. My husband was like You but he decided after 37 yrs of marriage this younger woman he met was what he wanted to be doing. So You're wonderful for sharing I luckily got to have two sons, they are married so I can't get as much help as I need but I pick and choose my battles I really need help with. I found RUclips and its saving my kids from a lot of their time, and me from hearing OH MOM, just hire someone or Oh Mom I wished I had time whatever so many Oh moms. But they are wonderfuful and have all been my Heros since My divorce.
For one, I’m so sorry to hear about this as it just breaks my heart. Second, I’m so thankful that our videos are a help to you and hope that they continue to be helpful to you!
I can attest to GoPower being pretty good quality. They are the higher priced inverters on the market but worth the investment. Their customer support is decent too. Great informative video as usual Jared!
I bought the 24v 2000 watt pure sine inverter. That thing has taken a beating for over a year and it’s still running smoothly. I’m gonna be upgrading to the gp 3000 watt inverter/charger soon though
Just replaced my single 12v batteries with dual 6v. Saw comments about how the factory convertor tends to kill batteries. Googled and boom of course you have a video. Should have checked your channel first haha
What about lithium batteries?
Fantastic video! Was thinking about upgrading my batteries and thought it might be a good idea to upgrade the converter to help get the most out of new expensive batteries and this was very helpful. Thanks! Subscribed
Great video. Thank you from an RV newbie. Just picked it up today. :)
Great Video, why not leave the acid battery controller where it is, power off circuit breaker to controller. Install new controller in the front bay on the 5th wheel trailer near the batteries. Run your POS & NEG cables from new controller directly to your lithium batteries? If you ever decide to go back to acid batteries discount new controller and turn old old controller at circuit breaker.?
I really enjoy your videos. Always useful information. Your explanations are always easy to understand.
Thanks!
Just ordered the power max- thanks
Good job on the explanation. I am not electrical savvy so I learned. thx
The biggest problem with the progressive dynamic lithium converter is that it maintains 14.6 volts in lithium mode after charging. This is really not good for lithium batteries. They should be maintained at closer to 13.6 volts and having them sitting that high all the time both significantly shorten their lifespans.
Thanks man! Good info. Think our converter died this weekend so I’m looking to upgrade
Let me tell this, l just change mine, and works perfect!!!!
thanks for the info! i just replaced my converter
My reply from renogy “Not at all. The controller will see any outside source charge on the battery and limit any input from the panels to keep the batteries from overcharging. The controller also has a blocking diode to prevent any back feed from that outside source charge through the controller and to the panels. “
Very impressed by you...as USUAL!
Good vlog, you’ve made me smarter, job well done...
I used a 4 stage boondocker model 60 amp in my last rv and it worked great. Had dual 6v batteries and kept them in tip top shape and after several years still going. In my new trailer I will do the same. Maybe this time a 100amp boondock with dual 6v.
What if my starter battery is lead-acid but my house battery is lifepo4?
As always, excellent content. Thanks for sharing.
A word of warning about the PowerMax converter-chargers. Put a meter on one and you'll see that they never put out anywhere near their rated output. For example, the 55A unit won't charge at more than 19-20A, no matter what you do. It WILL fully charge your battery if you wait long enough, but only on utility power. If you're trying to charge from a generator, running all night isn't feasible. Second complaint: PowerMax doesn't like to provide firm performance data, troubleshooting info or any technical assistance at all. I and several friends were burned by this brand, and eventually bit the bullet and bought converter-chargers from Iota Engineering. American made, and a solid, reputable company that actually returns phone calls.
So you are saying, my 55amp, does not put out the stayted amps, I am upgrading from a 45 amp, burnt out to 55 amp wyco 3 stage.
So should I upgrade breaker from the panel and wires to the battery?
@@rejmonwilson I'll be testing this and let you know. I have Just purchased this 55 amp Powermax
ok..... I just got off the phone with IOTA, (they got bought out, so no longer US assembled...BUT all inventory goes thru them for parts and quality control, plus they employ AZ people so awesome!) Had a great conversation with a tech, helped me with sizing, module type...etc. Need to replace stock WFCO converter and Deep cycle setup on my 5th wheel toy hauler. thanks for the tip, cause NOT many are legit!
This is almost certainly due to the wiring between your battery and the converter. Most camper manufacturers woefully undersize this wiring and it causes a significant voltage drop between the converter and the battery which makes the converter think that the battery is almost fully charged the entire time causing it to not put out the current it's supposed to.
@@DoRC I'm going through this right now. I installed 2 100ah Battleborn battereries and with my original li-AGM-LA charger it took several hours to charge the batteries when set to lithium. So I bought a lithium only 70A converter charger from Progressive Dynamics and still several hours to charge. I'm Getting 14.6V at the charger and 13.4V at the batteries. The amperage will vary between 12A and 30A on my shunt battery monitor. I have 6 gauge wire and the batteries are about 12' away from the charger. Do you think I need to run heavier gauge wire?
Outstanding good video thanks 😊
Boondock comes from the Filipino word "Bundok". Hence boondocking is literally going to the mountains.
Great job. Could you now explain how to connect battery maintainer to 2 six volt batteries wired in sequence?
Great video's both in content & production. One thing I keep missing regarding inverters/chargers (or converters?). How are the DC circuits such as awning, slide motors, lights, etc. powered? All I see on the Victron MultiPlus as well as others is DC in, AC in, & AC out. I see where there is an on-board switch to be able to switch from shore or generator to battery power. But can't tell how the on board DC circuits are powered.
Good info, you do well on al your videos, thank you.
Another great video, thanks.
Great video Jared!
Thanks
My old trailer had a 35 amp converter charger and I never saw over 9 amps on my meter. I think it was due to the long run of small gauge wire to the batteries. I am not sure installing a larger unit would guarantee you ever see the advertised output.
I'm in that same situation where the front two lead acid batteries are a long run, 2/3 of the 29' trailer, to the converter charger and yes, with small gauge wire. So I just ran my own heavy 4 gauge welder's wire from the second terminal of the charger/converter straight to the battery bank. I agree this makes more of a difference vs throwing more amps through a thinner wire. Thus I my opinion I don't need to change out my 55 amp WFCO three stage charger/converter. Now if I had lithium batteries, that's a different story...maybe one day, then I would need massive amps charge capabilities.
Thanks for the details on your posts. You rock! I own a 2020 Forest River Class C. with 2 lead acid batteries. I have a very basic question - How do the house (same thing as coach?) batteries get recharged?
Great video as always.
GREAT Ed. thanks.
Excellent info. Thanks again!
VERY well explained.
Good video as usual which is why I’m a subscriber lol. I have a question for you. I’m wanting to upgrade the electrical system in my RV and I’m getting lost in all the choices and options as well as all the technical jargon. I’m probably over complicating it so I thought I’d ask for some advice. Can you tell me where I should begin lol. Also, other than your fantastic channel where should I go to get the info I need to keep this a DIY project? Even basics like which battery should I get, do I need a converter or inverter and which should I consider and so on and so forth. I hope that makes sense lol
Thank you for any advice/help
Cheers mate and happy trails
I like RV with Tito he has a lot of really good information about solar. When it comes to batteries it depends on your budget. Lithium is the best with a large upfront cost, if I couldn’t afford lithium but could get an AGM then that would be my next choice. My last choice if cost was the concern I would do sets of 6 volt golf cart batteries. The place to start is figure out how much power you want in your battery bank how much you plan to use at any given point of time will tell you how big of an inverter you want and then pick how many watts of solar you want to replace what you use out of your batteries or how big of a generator. This might be easier if I just plan to do a video on designing your Rv electrical system.
Yes! Please do a video on designing an RV electrical system. It would be really helpful. I have done a ton of research and am about to go full time (with a wife and two kids), but still feel like I have no clue as to the best system for me and am stumbling in the dark with all the choices. I know I want lithium. I think I am going to start with 400Ah, but I am pretty lost from that point forward. I'd gladly pay for a couple hours of coaching, too, if that is an option.
So do batteries charge through the converter on Shore power and also through the converter when running the generator?
Converter chargers can operate quite differently depending on which brand/model you choose. List out what you specifically need and start researching everything available today. Most converter chargers do not care if shore power is from a generator or the power company yet some do. Switching from one to the other is usually done manually. You might speak to Progressive Dynamics as they are customer oriented and always happy to help you find the right unit for your rig.
Thanks so much easy to understand.
Great videos! A had purchased and Power Max PM3-100K 100 AMP converter and then wondered how I was supposed to hook it up with my existing Magnatek model 6332 32AMP distribution panel and I t looks like you have a similar Distribution panel to mine. I was wondering how I was supposed to hook it up with the plug that it comes with. I never have taken off the lower part of the distribution panel to see what's in there. I think the reason for my confusion is that the power comes in and as far as I can tell, the 30AMP cord goes right into the panel.
So my question is: Where do you put the plug you installed? Is it before the panel or somewhere after the panel?
I really appreciate any help you may be able to provide for me. Thank You
VERY informative, however, even with the mountain of internet "info", I am unable to determine whether an upgrade from our AGM is as simple as a multistage converter, or if there are any concerns within the trailer circuitry when drawing from a lithium. We're not hooked up to shore power very often, and would use our standalone generator and external lithium charger (direct to the posts) when needed. Shouldn't be this confusing.
Great video. 👍 and subbed.
iotta send you a unit to try yet?? I have lots of experience with the inteliwizard. A company we use that has ove 800 rental trailers for stars uses them exclusively. They last long time and rarley have problems. Looking forward to new batter tech.
I love your Videos great info
Just updated ours this year. So quite wasn't sure it was working? Got the 45 amp which is plenty for our RV and the slideout and jack stands
Great video! Keep them coming. I am trying to find a by-pass switch on line to by pass my Magnum m3012 inverter from shore power to my sub panel. If I ever need to work on or repair my inverter. I can't seem to find a "by pass" switch on line. Is it called something else? Would a 60amp manual transfer switch work? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Did KYD have one?
Thank you for the great information!!
Thanks for the video, Jared. We never camp without an electric service so is a converter upgrade of any value for us? We have a WFCO8955. The only time our trailer is without shore power is when on the road or if campground power is out. For when its in storage, I have a simple Blue Sea Systems ON-OFF battery shutoff switch. Our battery is a basic Interstate Group 24 lead acid model that the dealer installed.
I wouldn’t be to worried about it if your almost always plugged in. Just keep an eye on your water level in the battery.
Thank you!
How does it work if there are numerous chargers in the system? 1. Trailer factory single stage converter charger, 2. Solar charger, 3. and I was thinking of connecting a smart charger like NOCO genius G7200. Will they fight each other? Will the smart charger try to maintenance charge when full while the trailer's converter keeps pumping? I'm confused how this all works and how the batteries are actually charged with multiple chargers on the system. Thanks for any help!
Great Vid!! For those of us that may have a single stage, is there something we can put at the battery to turn off the charging power to maybe help it float? I'm aware of the battery minder chargers but that requires 120V.
Thanks for the info. Going to look at this for the RV. On another note did I see you have a way to make a Honeywell T-Stat work in a RV?
I installed the Honeywell Pro 1000 thermostat for my RV furnace. Easy two-wire connection.
Thank you so much for this episode! So this is the new one you put in? PowerMax PM3-55. I have a lead acid battery. Would this one be suitable for my battery type?
Our new one is progressive dynamics for our lithium but that PowerMax should be great for your batteries.
Normally Does the negative battery travel uninterrupted from the negative battery terminal directly to the converter charger in an Rv? Thank You.
Love your channel! How did you add the outlet?? About to go full time and want to add an outlet behind the toilet for an electric bidet. Can not find videos on adding an outlet to the RV.....
thanks. im that guy. lol. that guy who needs to replace my converter on my 96 Nash. It has a Inteli power 9000. 9155. So I think i can upgrade?
If is possible too, can you help me?
I am in the design phase to transform a Sprinter 211 cdi, new (2021), L1H1, all a little tight !!!!, but perfect for use here in Europe and exploring small towns, easy to park ... etc
But now I got to the point of doing the electrical project, which I'm not used to doing, I'm a civil engineer, I understand 110 / 220v AC circuits.
I wish you could help me with that part.
I'm Brazilian, but I also live a lot here in Portugal, where I'm going to do the conversion.
Well, I started making a spreadsheet, with the equipment, the necessary power and time of daily use, I have no intention of filling the motorhome with things, not least because it is a Sprinter L1H1, and I would like to have a simple electrical installation, but I would not like have gas inside, so I would prefer a stove with only one induction zone.
To heat the water it would be a D6 truma, which is diesel.
But from the calculations I made and compared with others I saw on the net, it seems that it ends up consuming a lot of energy, making the electrical part more expensive.
I don't want to spend so much just because of induction.
I don't know what other electrical equipment I would still need for everything to work, still using the car's alternator and an external 220v point when stopped at a camping site.
In your opinion, which a good configuration sufficient to have a quick meal, with induction and stay out of the network for a day or two?which a good configuration sufficient to have a quick meal, with induction and stay out of the network for a day or two?
Well, the result of the spreadsheet was:
220V equipment
notebook - 65w - 1 hour of use - 5.4 Ah
induction cooker - 1800w - 0,4 hour of use - 60 Ah
12V equipment
USB - 50w - 1 hour of use - 4.2 Ah
refrigerator - 45w - 8 hours of use - 30 Ah
lights - 15w - 3 hours of use - 1.3 Ah
water pump - 42 w - 0.5 hours of use - 1.8 Ah
exhaust fan wc - 40 w - 1 hour of use - 3.3 Ah
I will be very grateful if you can help me by presenting an wiring electrical diagram with the necessary equipment.
I appreciate if you answer.
my address is: joaolp55 @ gmail com
Thanks
I've looked into these multi stage converters and the reviews are mixed which one is the all in one big daddy?running lithium batteries living full time with solar running all electronics
Hello Jared, thank you so much for your detailed videos. My question pertains to leaving my RV plugged in at home while not in use. Primarily, I am worried about leaving the RV plugged in for long periods of time while not in use and damaging the house batteries; mainly by overcharging. I would like to keep the fridge running and allow the A/C to keep the RV cool. I reside in Miami and I don't have to tell the kind of weather we have here. I will be purchasing a 2021 Coachmen Mirada 35OS. It is 50amp RV and I will be installing a 50amp plug at my home. I am not sure if the RV has a single stage or multi-stage converter. In summary, I would like to confirm that if I install a quality multi-stage converter (like one of the ones you recommend) in the RV, will it safely allow me to leave the RV plugged in to the 50amp plug at my home for long periods of time without damaging my house batteries? Thank you so much for your assistance.
Really enjoy your videos, and I learned a lot from the install you did for KYD. I need to replace my battery in my 5th wheel, and I'm thinking about switching to an AGM battery. Will the Powermax PM3-55 work with AGM batteries? Thx Kent
Jared....which IOTA converter specifically is the one you mentioned that will charge all types of batteries? (Lead Acid, AGM and Lithum)
Maybe I missed this explanation: We have upgraded to four golfcart batteries. At 215Ah a piece x 4, we have 860AH with 430AH usable. I've seen the 10% rule, the 30% rule and multiple other thoughts about what size to get. On that power max-you can buy a 45, 75, or 100. Will I do damage to these batteries if I do the 100? It seems like it would charge the batteries faster on a genny.
Hello, Golf cart batteries are usually 6 volts. So a 12 volt system would give you 430 amps, 2 series parallel battery bank. So 215 amps usable at a DOD of 50%. Max charge rate is C10 or in your case 43 amps. Using a three stage charger will give your batteries a longer life. Heat is detrimental for battery life, so charging at 100 amps would heat them up unless you have a temperature compensated battery charger it could damage them. There are several converters that have 3 or 4 stage charging capabilities. Get some HydroCaps to replace the original caps and you very minimal battery maintenance.
Thanks.
Jared, I have a 15 year old converter charging 4 -12volt deep cycle acid batteries. I noticed after plugging into a park site for 3 hours one battery was really warm so I checked with my multimeter. Incoming charge voltage was still 14.5 volts. I unplugged the converter and all the batteries read 12.5 volts (fully charged). Could my Converter be bad because it's not lowering the charging voltage?
Old video but I have a question. I called Xantrex today and they claim that they do NOT have a Convertor option in any of their products. Yes, they have an Invertor/Charger but it only charges the batteries and does NOT provide 12vdc amps for things like a convertor would do, such as you mentioned running out the slides, leveling system, etc, i.e. things that need a boost of amps. So, I'm not sure if I believe the Xantrex rep I spoke with, but perhaps you can comment on the Invertor/Charger from Xantrex actually being a Convertor as well?
Thanks for the explanations in the video. But I have a doubt: how to calculate the power of the battery charger when the campervan is connected to an external source, in a camping. what the specifications of this charger are. thanks
I understand that AGM batteries need a different charger as they operate on different cycles. Will these converters charge AGM batteries?
I have acid batteries and my converter overcharges them and got acid all over my front compartment and battery box.
What smart converter would you recommend ? Also if you install a smart converter does that require you to change inverter also?
Thanks love your videos!
Bill Armstrong
Depending on your converter there is a setting or jumper to set it to regular charge instead of fast charge which causes over charging. Inverters are independent of the charging system unless you have an all in one like a Magnum or Victron. With the more expensive inverters the charge settings can be fully adjusted to suit any type of batteries.
VERY good vd keep up the good work.. I HAVE 2PANEL OF MAXIMUM VOLTAGE 52.8V MAXIMUM 3.32 AMP EACH. WHAT SISE OF REGULATER CHARGER WILL I NEED FOR A 12VOLTS AND 30AMP SERVICES PANEL
Most like mine have no room for it , victron is ignored us with smaller rigs
Jared, thanks for all the great information. I have a related question; my 15 amp breaker for the converter cuts out when I’m charging the batteries off my generator. My Epoch 300 Ah battery wants to pull in 50-78 amps and it seems like too much for my converter? I bought a 15 amp charger with my Epoch battery and used it to charge my Epoch fully for its initial charge. Can I use my solar generator (off-line from my RV) to power that 15 amp charger to charge my battery while it is hooked up to the RV and being used by the RV? Kind of a convoluted question but don’t want to hurt my lifepo4 battery. Thanks!
tu na pas dit comment ajuster le voltage pour une batterie lithium 13.6 ou 16.0 !!!!!!!merci
Question - trying to choose between the powermax and the progressive. What did you like better about the progressive (AGM batteries)? Based on their descriptions they seem similar but powermax is half the price. Great Video btww, like all your videos!
I would have no problem getting another power max. It was a good product for us. Customer support from progressive was good for us.
I like my Iota... set it for my lead acid batteries...I would like to use a feature with a switch to charge my batteries at 14.4.v when ruining a generator but the location is difficult to access. The location of the converter is important, I'm thinking it should be closer to the batteries with thicker wire?
Jarred, how far ahead do you schedule solar installations? I plan on purchasing the same setup as Keep Your Daydream next year.
They have an intense setup!
So the powermax 55 in your link is a multi stage converter ??? Smart charger? Wont over charge the batteries ??? does it work like a charge wizard?
I added a remote pendant to my converter that almost makes mine like a multi charger
Love your videos was wondering do you use a tire pressure monitor and if so which one do you recommend thanks
We currently don’t use one but we probably should
The multi-stage that you use is for lithium batteries?
Hey Jarrad, On a new 2021 Rockwood Travel Trailer with the solar package can I replace the AGM battery with a new Lithium Ion battery just plug and play. It has the charge controller in the bedroom. Thanks for your help Jarrad!
Great video! Question: Right now we have a 1200W Xantrax Inverter that only appears to be powering the lights, slides, awnings, that sort of thing. None of our outlets (except the microwave) are hot when on inverter only. Would upgrading the inverter to a higher wattage power some outlets or is the camper hard-wired to only run certain loads regardless? I assume the latter. We have a residential frig that's electric only so we can't even have that powered when traveling or dry camping. Of course the TVs are not powered either. Just curious.