Grain in films is something that is part of the actual film itself, like minor pops in vinyl, it's an unavoidable issue of an imperfect format. I personally wouldn't worry about seeing any unless it's overly notable and distracting. My advice would be to try and embrace imperfections by turning smoothing down to zero because now thanks to all digitally made films (more or less anyway) they are a thing largely of the past. But of course you can watch a film as you wish
I despise grainy looking movies when watching. By turning up the dreaded "judder" up on my new set just to a slight 2 or 3, it smooths out the image for me without that unrealistic "soap opera effect" taking over (which I also dislike).
Unpopular opinion Smooth Motion + is awesome Buhhht I do see the appeal that HDTVTest recommended what setting u should have Either way I have the TV setting place in the last place I had it last time which is.. dunno
Joe you watch your movies anyway you like. Having said that, hear me out. I started using Filmmaker Mode and after about a week I got used to it. Now I'll never go back. Colors look so much more natural, less eyestrain etc. If it looks yellow to you it's because FMM switches the color temp to D65 white point. Your brain is used to whites having a blue hue to them. Your brain will adjust. But of course you do whatever you want in the end.
It is entirely because we are used to 24 FPS. The television we grew up with in North America was NTSC or 29.97 interlaced frames. When a film was broadcast, it was reformatted but retained the look (more or less) of 24 FPS. A decade ago, Peter Jackson tried to push the boundaries of frame rate in major motion pictures to 60 FPS but audiences didn't really care, or didn't like it. Ultimately, I like 24 FPS or the variety of speeds silent films gave us (under or over-cranking). Is it the best? Maybe not, but it's what I enjoy and what I expect a film to look like.
Hi Joe Congratulations on your new TV!!! Samsung is the #1 TV brand in America. Mine is 2 years old nd I have a Samsung 40 inch TV. I Love it, but the only thing I Hate about the TV's now is, like you said it takes hours and hours and hours to get the TV picture the way you want it to be. I think it took me three days, just about but I absolutely Hayr all the menus and all the crap you have to go through to get a great picture. I probably have the soap opera effect on my TV but I have no idea in what menu it is in. But, Enjoy your TV, just let me say, back in the 70's it took 2 minutes to adjust the picture on your TV with the 4 knobs? I am sure you remember that?
I hope I never have to deal with the pain of adjusting a 4K TV to my liking. I still remember the "fun" of doing that to my HD-TV 15 years ago. I'm satisfied, I'm done. I will bet that Get Back's picture quality is comparable to watching General Hospital.
I still have my Panasonic plasma tv from 2009 I bought at J&R world in lower Manhattan. Still works beautifully, all my old movies in B&W films look excellent. I would hate to get a new one because of all the wiring. I have it hooked up to my stereo. Good luck Joe with your new tv.
Film mode for me with energy saver off. I watch my 4k TV in a dark room. I have smaller TV for watching dvds, shows, sports. The settings are brighter to account for more light in the room.
After watching your video, I hope my eight-year-old Samsung not-so-smart TV lasts forever. I actually dread the idea of having to shop for a new TV and dealing with all of this stuff. But then, I HAVE been watching movies for over 100 years!! Hopefully, if I do outlive this TV, I'll be able to find something relatively uncomplicated. 4K still holds no interest for me. That's not said in any kind of purist or elitist sense. I just don't see the need in my life to embrace the new format unless it becomes unavoidable. Thank heavens I still have my good old 27-inch Sony Trintron sitting in the living room. It helps me remember the good old days.
Sorry to get off topic, but how was Targets on blu ray? I have never seen it before, but now that it is on Criterion blu ray I definitely should check it out.
I was disappointed at first as compared to the DVD, believe it or not. But I'm sure it's just me. As I tweaked my TV I liked it. I would definitely recommend it.
The "soap opera affect" sucks. You should not have your classic B&W Universal horrors ruined by that...and BTW, Samsungs, as far as I've seen, all tend toward that orangish sort of flesh colored tone. I would have bought Sony, which in my opinion have a bluer...prettier color tone. To get rid of soap opera effect you will have to turn off the digital effects you are allowed to adjust. See what happens. Keep your refresh rate on the highest. That will give you the sharper or more focused image you prefer. What you described as "grain" sound like the result of your digital sharpness adjustment. Turn that filter all the way to the left. I have a friend with a 8K $5,000 Samsung. I saw all the things you mentioned and could only view it in the Movie mode. All other modes were pretty much, in my opinion, unwatchable. If I remember correctly the Movie mode got rid of the soap opera effect. My passion is the classic movies. I want to see them as close to focused projection quality as possible. Lengthy response, I know, but I hope it helps. Turn that "Judder" control off.
Well, I once bought a Sony...got it home...didn't like it...so exchanged it for another Samsung (which is what I had liked). We're all different, process things different, like what we like. As I said in the video, I despise the soap opera effect, but damn it was interesting watching that 50s monster film that way, just as an experiment. After watching those old classic Universal monster movies hundreds of times over decades, I must admit I'm curious to play around with them that way. Right now the effect is only set at 2, which doesn't look like full soap opera, but does make the image a tad clearer.
I don't know. Usually I don't wear my glasses to watch tv anyway!
Grain in films is something that is part of the actual film itself, like minor pops in vinyl, it's an unavoidable issue of an imperfect format. I personally wouldn't worry about seeing any unless it's overly notable and distracting. My advice would be to try and embrace imperfections by turning smoothing down to zero because now thanks to all digitally made films (more or less anyway) they are a thing largely of the past. But of course you can watch a film as you wish
I despise grainy looking movies when watching. By turning up the dreaded "judder" up on my new set just to a slight 2 or 3, it smooths out the image for me without that unrealistic "soap opera effect" taking over (which I also dislike).
I remember the first time I saw an episode of Twilight Zone shot on tape. I thought there was something wrong with the TV.
Yes, I recall those episodes.
Unpopular opinion
Smooth Motion + is awesome
Buhhht
I do see the appeal that HDTVTest recommended what setting u should have
Either way I have the TV setting place in the last place I had it last time which is.. dunno
Nice 'every man' explanation of your new TV set and its features.....Hey everyone! Keep those Remotes for the TVs!
Joe you watch your movies anyway you like. Having said that, hear me out. I started using Filmmaker Mode and after about a week I got used to it. Now I'll never go back. Colors look so much more natural, less eyestrain etc. If it looks yellow to you it's because FMM switches the color temp to D65 white point. Your brain is used to whites having a blue hue to them. Your brain will adjust. But of course you do whatever you want in the end.
It is entirely because we are used to 24 FPS. The television we grew up with in North America was NTSC or 29.97 interlaced frames. When a film was broadcast, it was reformatted but retained the look (more or less) of 24 FPS. A decade ago, Peter Jackson tried to push the boundaries of frame rate in major motion pictures to 60 FPS but audiences didn't really care, or didn't like it. Ultimately, I like 24 FPS or the variety of speeds silent films gave us (under or over-cranking). Is it the best? Maybe not, but it's what I enjoy and what I expect a film to look like.
Hi Joe Congratulations on your new TV!!! Samsung is the #1 TV brand in America. Mine is 2 years old nd I have a Samsung 40 inch TV. I Love it, but the only thing I Hate about the TV's now is, like you said it takes hours and hours and hours to get the TV picture the way you want it to be. I think it took me three days, just about but I absolutely Hayr all the menus and all the crap you have to go through to get a great picture. I probably have the soap opera effect on my TV but I have no idea in what menu it is in. But, Enjoy your TV, just let me say, back in the 70's it took 2 minutes to adjust the picture on your TV with the 4 knobs? I am sure you remember that?
Sure do.
I hope I never have to deal with the pain of adjusting a 4K TV to my liking. I still remember the "fun" of doing that to my HD-TV 15 years ago. I'm satisfied, I'm done. I will bet that Get Back's picture quality is comparable to watching General Hospital.
I still have my Panasonic plasma tv from 2009 I bought at J&R world in lower Manhattan. Still works beautifully, all my old movies in B&W films look excellent. I would hate to get a new one because of all the wiring. I have it hooked up to my stereo. Good luck Joe with your new tv.
Plasmas run hot and are very heavy...but the most beautiful pictures ever. I hope yours lasts forever franksmusic2880.
Film mode for me with energy saver off. I watch my 4k TV in a dark room. I have smaller TV for watching dvds, shows, sports. The settings are brighter to account for more light in the room.
After watching your video, I hope my eight-year-old Samsung not-so-smart TV lasts forever. I actually dread the idea of having to shop for a new TV and dealing with all of this stuff. But then, I HAVE been watching movies for over 100 years!! Hopefully, if I do outlive this TV, I'll be able to find something relatively uncomplicated. 4K still holds no interest for me. That's not said in any kind of purist or elitist sense. I just don't see the need in my life to embrace the new format unless it becomes unavoidable. Thank heavens I still have my good old 27-inch Sony Trintron sitting in the living room. It helps me remember the good old days.
Yeah, it's all 4K out there now, I believe.
Sorry to get off topic, but how was Targets on blu ray? I have never seen it before, but now that it is on Criterion blu ray I definitely should check it out.
I was disappointed at first as compared to the DVD, believe it or not. But I'm sure it's just me. As I tweaked my TV I liked it. I would definitely recommend it.
The "soap opera affect" sucks. You should not have your classic B&W Universal horrors ruined by that...and BTW, Samsungs, as far as I've seen, all tend toward that orangish sort of flesh colored tone. I would have bought Sony, which in my opinion have a bluer...prettier color tone. To get rid of soap opera effect you will have to turn off the digital effects you are allowed to adjust. See what happens. Keep your refresh rate on the highest. That will give you the sharper or more focused image you prefer. What you described as "grain" sound like the result of your digital sharpness adjustment. Turn that filter all the way to the left. I have a friend with a 8K $5,000 Samsung. I saw all the things you mentioned and could only view it in the Movie mode. All other modes were pretty much, in my opinion, unwatchable. If I remember correctly the Movie mode got rid of the soap opera effect. My passion is the classic movies. I want to see them as close to focused projection quality as possible. Lengthy response, I know, but I hope it helps. Turn that "Judder" control off.
Well, I once bought a Sony...got it home...didn't like it...so exchanged it for another Samsung (which is what I had liked). We're all different, process things different, like what we like. As I said in the video, I despise the soap opera effect, but damn it was interesting watching that 50s monster film that way, just as an experiment. After watching those old classic Universal monster movies hundreds of times over decades, I must admit I'm curious to play around with them that way. Right now the effect is only set at 2, which doesn't look like full soap opera, but does make the image a tad clearer.
Have fun with it and enjoy your retirement. I've been retired for 5 years next month.
i turn it off for movies but i have it on for music concerts. i think it works really well for that.
As far as soap opera effect goes. No, that's not what the filmmaker intended but again, do what you want.