Wade gave Me a Master Class on Insulation at this BUILD

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  • Опубликовано: 24 дек 2024

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  • @christopherwhitlow289
    @christopherwhitlow289 8 месяцев назад +6

    Awesome video! Thank you to Wade for sharing his build!!
    Thank you Matt for your effort to Keep Knocking it Out of the Park on The Build Show!!

  • @johnsonsinsulation
    @johnsonsinsulation 8 месяцев назад +3

    Wade's expertise in insulation is impressive! I appreciate the insights on using different materials strategically for optimal home efficiency.👍

  • @rs2024-s4u
    @rs2024-s4u 8 месяцев назад +3

    Wade's job sites are extremely orginazed and kept neat. There are not many issues when the steps for the build are not clearly laid out, established, and executed to give owners a real hidden value behind the finishes that will pay dividends far into the future. It's not cheap at inception to make this type of commitment, however far into the future an owner will still be extracting benifits from thoughtful construction techniques. I would not hesitate to use Wade's firm for any of my residential needs. Ray Stormont

  • @shedever_designs
    @shedever_designs 8 месяцев назад +1

    I can watch these videos over and over again.

  • @michigunder1522
    @michigunder1522 8 месяцев назад +13

    Any concerns about moisture stacking in the open cell foam?

    • @rexstolze4512
      @rexstolze4512 3 месяца назад

      @@idanko731 1.5” of closed cell spray foam is a moisture/vapor barrier per manufacturer’s specs. Google the info you put out in the comments before you go spreading it

  • @Scott-cu4ol
    @Scott-cu4ol 8 месяцев назад +25

    up here in Maine they have started having problems with close cell spray foam on the underside of the roof deck. as the rafters or trusses shrink a small air cap is created which cause condensation.

    • @Onward1969
      @Onward1969 8 месяцев назад +4

      Happened to friend of mine.

    • @vapeurdepisse
      @vapeurdepisse 8 месяцев назад

      Can you attach links that talk about this? Very interested as I am about to embark on a roof deck closed-cell foam project on an OLD home. Should I expect enough seasonal movement to see gaps. Does that include walls as well? I don't see what could be different with walls. You need to comment over at the Spray Jones channel to see his reaction....

    • @vapeurdepisse
      @vapeurdepisse 8 месяцев назад

      Can you attach links that talk about this? Very interested as I am about to embark on a roof deck closed-cell foam project on an OLD home. Should I expect enough seasonal movement to see gaps. Does that include walls as well? I don't see what could be different with walls.

    • @robertszynal4745
      @robertszynal4745 8 месяцев назад +1

      This is the idea behind Gapotape that we have in the UK. It's basically memory foam strips attached to aluminium tape which you attach to the edges of your PIR boards. This allows it to expand and contract along with the timber preventing those gaps.

    • @vapeurdepisse
      @vapeurdepisse 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@robertszynal4745 Since the UK doesn't use spray foam, how do you know it's a legit fix? After looking at this product, it's meant to be compressed during installation, so if the wood shrinks it will decompress (not stretch). With spray foam the tape will be set in a neutral state, not in a compressed state. So it won't decompress or otherwise stretch when the wood shrinks, leading to a gap. I feel like you're onto something, but we need a slightly different product meant for spray foam that can stretch outwards.

  • @justinbradshaw5112
    @justinbradshaw5112 8 месяцев назад +1

    Building science golden mantra:
    Build tight, ventilate right.
    If it can't dry, it will die.
    Rockwool is an outstanding product and great customer service as well. The only drawback is the thickness. But, always my first choice before polyisocyanurate.

  • @andykross7242
    @andykross7242 8 месяцев назад +16

    The lack of ICF houses on the Build Show surprises me, when it’s extremely air tight. If you watch Up to Kode with Kody you’ll see his run of the mill ICF houses are less than 1 ACH. Way more cost effective than the extreme measures taken on a stick built house to get those kind of numbers.

    • @aljawisa
      @aljawisa 8 месяцев назад

      He can't go against his sponsors. Just like how he pushes that toxic cancerous rockwool. Dude never brings up hemp concrete either.

    • @tdmallet
      @tdmallet 8 месяцев назад +1

      Very true.

    • @ColeSpolaric
      @ColeSpolaric 8 месяцев назад +6

      How is it more cost efficient? The amount of concrete alone will far exceed the cost of materials here.

    • @DeuceDeuceBravo
      @DeuceDeuceBravo 8 месяцев назад +4

      Would like to see some numbers to justify the "more cost effective" comment. Also, concrete has an enormous environmental impact (which is even worse when you're wrapping it in foam) while wood is carbon sequestering and renewable.

    • @andykross7242
      @andykross7242 8 месяцев назад +6

      @@DeuceDeuceBravo the upcharge over a bare minimum code build stick frame house is only 3-5% on the total cost. In this instance they've had to add plywood for shear to the entire house! ICF is disaster resistant to ~ 250mph winds, it's one step vs. stick build, plywood, Zip R, and spray foam. Not to mention all the attention to detail for air sealing that they've had to nail to get a low ACH number. Check out Up to Kode with Kody if you want to see some good ICF videos, especially his blower door test for comparison.

  • @brendaazamian7844
    @brendaazamian7844 2 месяца назад +1

    Matt, could you discuss insurance companies refusing to insure homes w/sprayed insulation roofing?

  • @eddiehernandez7427
    @eddiehernandez7427 5 месяцев назад +1

    Hey Matt, I do have an insulation question. Most folks think I'm asking about spray foam. But, I'm specifically asking about injection tri-polymer resin foam. Most of the info I've been able to find is by the company that installs or manufacturers it, old outdated information by at least 10 years, or someone that heard from someone else down the line gave them some irrelevant or non factual info.
    My question is it a good insulator for a retrofit of an existing cement block wall. My understanding it has around R4.6 and there can be some shrinkage. It would be the cheapest way to insulate without ripping out all the dry wall to add more insulation or having to apply it on the exterior and having the wall re stuccoed. I live in southern Arizona where moisture isn't an issue. There is some insulation between the cement block wall and drywall. Not sure exactly how much. Most likely 1/2 to 1 inch of foam board. None on the exterior. House was built in 2001. Any help greatly appreciated.
    P.S. i love your videos. Very imformative

  • @Group.B
    @Group.B 8 месяцев назад +2

    I’d like to know more about that septic system!!

  • @bubbaredneck75
    @bubbaredneck75 8 месяцев назад +10

    been watching for several years now but wish you would do some more budget friendly stuff for the personnal home builder. i was estimated 18k to do spray foam and thats way outta my budget all at once. if i could piece meal it would b better but...

    • @scotts2181
      @scotts2181 8 месяцев назад

      I had the same issue:
      m.ruclips.net/video/hH7dDcgHhR4/видео.html&pp=ygUnZm9hbSBib2FyZCBhdHRpYyBpbnN1bGF0aW9uIGdyZWF0IHNjb3R0

    • @davepetrakos1192
      @davepetrakos1192 8 месяцев назад

      Have provisions for adding air quality appliances to your HVAC. In other words, build ducts as such that dehumidifier, humidifier, and maybe an EVR can be tapped in when you can justify the expenditure. Air sealed should be your focus with whichever insulation you can afford. For instance, if I put 4 inches of pink stuff in exterior walls of my house, the wind still blows thru the shiplap and comes into basement, back up thru floor boards. However, it possibly helped blow heat around from wood stoves, as electric fans had not been invented in 1870. Blower door score on my house?... Just set it up in front yard, ha!

  • @tamil1001
    @tamil1001 5 месяцев назад +1

    What if the roof sheathing ever needs to be replaced? Wouldn't having closed cell foam there make it much more difficult?

  • @youdontknowme5969
    @youdontknowme5969 8 месяцев назад +1

    Heck yeah, insulation 😎

  • @6stringsandapick
    @6stringsandapick 8 месяцев назад +11

    In our market, Rockwool (or other mineral wool products) is 2x the cost of Fiberglass insulation. I am curious what you are referring to when you say it's not much more money.

    • @Switcher05
      @Switcher05 8 месяцев назад +3

      If you do find it then you will be limited to only one product SKU. Not found 24 inch within 300 miles yet the plant is only 150...

  • @grand04gt
    @grand04gt 8 месяцев назад +1

    When you talk insulation you use the jacket analogy.....when you talk about air sealing it could relate as well. A fleece jacket would be ok for some times but on a cold windy day you REALLY notice good wind protection

  • @jezza6575
    @jezza6575 8 месяцев назад

    I like Aero Barrier then RockWool on the inside as well as the outside! I do like the idea of spray foam in a crawl space though…affordability!

  • @patrickkenny2077
    @patrickkenny2077 8 месяцев назад +5

    Sorry, but I am confused-- at 2:47 you say 2" closed cell plus open cell to fill the bay for the roof. Doesn't that put the open cell foam in the condensation zone for that climate? I thought that was a no-no.

    • @davepetrakos1192
      @davepetrakos1192 8 месяцев назад +2

      Air sealed home with the best indoor air quality management and an average low temperatures @ 20f, r13 should be fine.

    • @patrickkenny2077
      @patrickkenny2077 8 месяцев назад

      @@davepetrakos1192 Thanks; I assumed the design temperature was significantly lower.

  • @jpdavis129
    @jpdavis129 8 месяцев назад +2

    Going the full thickness with closed cell foam would be so much slower too. Closed cell should be installed in thin layers of 1-5" inches because it gets so hot and wouldn't cure properly if thicker (can also combust and cause fires, I know someone who burned his own 10k sq foot house down from it). Open cell foam expands at a 100:1 ratio so a single pass on top of the closed cell would give you what you need, saving hours and hours on the install.

    • @alansnyder8448
      @alansnyder8448 8 месяцев назад

      I'm just someone learning. So here is my question. How much time would you need between doing the open-cell or the closed-cell? Could they do it the same day?

    • @jpdavis129
      @jpdavis129 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@alansnyder8448 definitely. Changing over from the closed cell foam to the open cell foam in the foam rig takes a little time and produces a lot of waste, so you'd only want to do it once for the job. you'd do all spaces in the entire home with the closed, and then go to the open cell. Most likely it would be the next day anyways, but even if it was a small home where they were flying, the closed cell would be ready for the next layer within a short amount of time (no more than an hour).

  • @thelanecampbell
    @thelanecampbell 8 месяцев назад +2

    What is the performance difference between rock wool insulation between floors vs having dual drywall layers from a noise barrier perspective?

  • @whitec5391
    @whitec5391 8 месяцев назад +2

    Like most things the devil is in the details - using a higher r-value per inch close cell foam breaks the model for the argument of cc spf + open cell spf. It’s all priced off board foot, you use more BF for oc spf, and end up paying same amount or marginally the same for the cc spf/oc spf option. Moreover, even in the cc spf + oc spf hybrid, you’re still paying considerably more than a cc spf + r-30 batt. Target a cc spf with 7.4r/inch - which is out there, and yields 5k bf per set, and you’re at a better, cost effective, and safer solution.

  • @iancormie9916
    @iancormie9916 8 месяцев назад +1

    Lots of insulation then huge windows. Wonder what portion of the heat/AC load is due to the walls.

  • @AikenBruce
    @AikenBruce 8 месяцев назад +8

    As a building designer, I always advocate the benefits of insulation, but I personally live with all the windows open, front and back door open, like virtually all the time. If it gets hot I turn on a small fan and when it is cold I put a jacket on.

  • @Mongoose490
    @Mongoose490 8 дней назад

    Hey Matt just watched your other video about sprayfoam in the uk, and I can for sure explain why it’s seen as so bad, it comes down the the fact that people are spraying foam directly on the bottom of tile roofs, which seems really obvious to me that it should not be done. The government was even part of this scheme where installers would get a government grant to do this to people’s houses, so inevitably people roofs leak, not even a roof membrane to stop the leaks cause some of these tile roofs don’t have membrane as they could be 40 years old, this doesn’t even talk about bad installation job where not everything gets coverage which is a whole other topic

  • @DeuceDeuceBravo
    @DeuceDeuceBravo 8 месяцев назад +3

    I just don't trust spray foam in cavities that will be closed up and hidden forever. It's not a matter of "if" it will crack, but when - and that's with darn near perfect installation conditions. I'm assuming this foam was applied when that roof deck was a little chilly, which is even worse. I realize that with this much foam it probably won't be an issue, but I would much rather have the majority of my insulation on the exterior and fill the bays with breathable mineral wool.
    That being said... 1 ACH50 with double-hung windows is impressive.

  • @RammaJamma3
    @RammaJamma3 8 месяцев назад

    So Matt if u we’re building right now 2024 in Alabama for insulation and not worried about money for insulation is closed cell the no.1. Or is there another insulation better?

  • @DrMJJr
    @DrMJJr 8 месяцев назад +35

    While spray foam has many benefits, I’d stick with Rockwool over it any day simply because of the off gassing and the risk associated with hiding leaks (not to mention its horrible environmental impacts).

    • @davelindgren5245
      @davelindgren5245 8 месяцев назад +4

      I have seen a brand of spray foam that has solved the off gassing problem. I can't remember the name and I have no idea what the cost difference is.

    • @philiparmand3534
      @philiparmand3534 8 месяцев назад

      Agree!!

    • @LoveGrowsAdam
      @LoveGrowsAdam 8 месяцев назад +3

      I'm excited to see a zero voc foam like Matt uses in his house.

    • @whymindsetmatters
      @whymindsetmatters 8 месяцев назад +3

      There are green spray foams out there

    • @dtemp132
      @dtemp132 8 месяцев назад +3

      Look for UL GreenGuard Gold foams and there’s no off gassing problem. Open cell foam won’t hide leaks and has a small environmental impact.

  • @markturner5207
    @markturner5207 8 месяцев назад +1

    Matt, why don’t you use spray in rock wool for the walls?

    • @DeuceDeuceBravo
      @DeuceDeuceBravo 8 месяцев назад +1

      That stuff works a lot better for floors. Much bigger hassle putting it in the walls. The batts are great because they can be moved out of the way and replaced when needed.

    • @markturner5207
      @markturner5207 8 месяцев назад

      @@DeuceDeuceBravo I have spray in rock wool in my house, all exterior walls and most interior walls for sound. It works great. It was not a hassle at all to install. I was just wondering why Matt doesn’t use it.

  • @samuelallenmortimer
    @samuelallenmortimer 8 месяцев назад +2

    Climate zone 5 in RI requires R-60 roofs -- @buildshow what am I missing?

    • @christhompson8938
      @christhompson8938 8 месяцев назад

      In my area,sloped roofs are R 32 while flat ciellings are R 50.

  • @Babarudra
    @Babarudra 8 месяцев назад +3

    I wish I could afford to hire Wade for our future house expansion, but I have a feeling my bank account is lacking a few zeros!

    • @workinalaska3964
      @workinalaska3964 7 месяцев назад +1

      You need to find someone who is using Wade as a mentor. Some of us builders are using these guys as our personal teachers

  • @KJSvitko
    @KJSvitko 8 месяцев назад

    Blower door testing and air sealing under appreciated tools for reducing energy bills and adding comfort.
    All new builds residential and commercial as well as remodels should be air sealed.

    • @DeuceDeuceBravo
      @DeuceDeuceBravo 8 месяцев назад +1

      Blower door testing is part of building code in most places now

  • @edorofish
    @edorofish 8 месяцев назад

    So who should I call for a attic ventilation problem? A roofer or HVAC contractor? Or some other expert? I have more than enough insulation in my Florida home attic but my upstairs gets hotter than downstairs and the upstairs HVAC is working overtime as usual to keep the upstairs cool. I have a feeling regardless of the contractor I call their solution will be to sell me a solar attic fan. I think I have a ventilation problem.

    • @DeuceDeuceBravo
      @DeuceDeuceBravo 8 месяцев назад +1

      Find a company that will do a full energy audit. Not sure about Florida, but usually your local utility company will cover some or all of the cost.

  • @AlexofAddison
    @AlexofAddison 8 месяцев назад +1

    you didn't really explain why you used spray foam above the window and rockwool below. My assumption is for overall R-value, and above the window you have a header which means you needed the extra R-value or the spray foam to make up for the loss of cavity space.

  • @CybekCusal
    @CybekCusal 8 месяцев назад +1

    Why doesn't the vapor barrier cover the studs? It should.

  • @flyboypat
    @flyboypat 8 месяцев назад

    How do I find a great builder in my area. What question do I ask, what do I listen for to tell if a builder is good or just telling me what he thinks I want to hear, then doing a subpar job to save a buck?

  • @tylertim1229
    @tylertim1229 8 месяцев назад

    How bad is it to reuse old pink insulation from other buildings?

    • @LarkOfTheWoods
      @LarkOfTheWoods 8 месяцев назад

      It is not pleasant to work with, but might be usable if it is not matted down or damp. I have done that for unconditioned spaces, but would not want to use it for insulation around interior rooms.

  • @bubbaredneck75
    @bubbaredneck75 8 месяцев назад +1

    man, these folks wanna adopt me?lmao thats a huge kids room w a solo bathroom for them

  • @jamespatrick5930
    @jamespatrick5930 8 месяцев назад +2

    Why is clear plastic over the Rock Wool?

    • @jeffmasengale6348
      @jeffmasengale6348 8 месяцев назад

      Thats exactly what I was thinking. I thought by doing exterior insulation , plus Rockwool, that the moisture would pass through and not get trapped inside the walls.

    • @morganoverstreet6824
      @morganoverstreet6824 8 месяцев назад +1

      It’s a smart membrane and not regular plastic

    • @peteyou2325
      @peteyou2325 8 месяцев назад +2

      Go watch the video again. The membrane prevents warm and moist indoor air from diffusing into the stud cavity.

  • @eduardtilihoi4788
    @eduardtilihoi4788 8 месяцев назад +1

    Hey Matt, you mentioned healthy, so I have to ask.. how healthy do you think it is to be surrounded by fire retardants? They are known to cause cancer and have been banned from consumer products. I'm curious how can one explain putting it in insulation. Do you come across this concern often? What's your response?

    • @Jaker788
      @Jaker788 7 месяцев назад

      When it's all cured there shouldn't be any chemical release. But simply using an air quality meter that measures TVOC would give you a good idea.
      Ultimately these tight homes should have better fresh air ventilation and exchange than an older home. Having an ERV with balanced or adjustable intake/exhaust means you can guarantee 67% air change per hour that's filtered and evenly distributed by mechanical ventilation and ducting to each room. Rather than sucking in air from the crawl space or attic and walls with mold and any other bad air quality from those spaces

    • @Jaker788
      @Jaker788 7 месяцев назад

      I'm not sure about fire retardants being banned from products either. Maybe specific ones? Furniture and stuff like curtains still have stuff to decrease flammability, you can buy fire resistant rated clothing with additives in it to have that quality.

  • @buffydog21
    @buffydog21 8 месяцев назад

    I'm wondering about companies, that use a tri-polymer resin uses two water-soluble components of a free-flowing powdered resin and an aqueous based foaming agent. There are companies in the Midwest, that use this mainly on houses, where you can't or don't want to remove the interior drywall. .

  • @davelindgren5245
    @davelindgren5245 8 месяцев назад

    Sooner or later, I somehow knew this would turn into a rockwool commercial.

  • @michaelroby8389
    @michaelroby8389 8 месяцев назад +3

    First to comment???
    Sweeeeeet!! 😊

    • @DrMJJr
      @DrMJJr 8 месяцев назад

      Ok calm down Michael, lololol

  • @drews5459
    @drews5459 8 месяцев назад

    Still can’t get over the fact that if you have a leak in your roof or 20 years down the road you need a new roof and new osb your up a creek

  • @ColeSpolaric
    @ColeSpolaric 8 месяцев назад +1

    I really hate the comparison of all the little air leaks in a home to an open window. They really don't equate. Air flows through a large opening with much less resistance than a small opening. Not to say that it's not important. Just that it's a bad comparison.

  • @DNGJustSnakes
    @DNGJustSnakes 8 месяцев назад +1

    Rockwool all the way....after watching fire testing, I'd never use spray foam.

  • @ryanwelsch9384
    @ryanwelsch9384 8 месяцев назад

    Matt, Why did he use closed cell foam on the garage wall, but not on outside walls of interior space?

  • @coffeepot3123
    @coffeepot3123 Месяц назад +1

    Spray foam is a crime towards the house owner.

  • @gregorysmith9158
    @gregorysmith9158 8 месяцев назад +1

    no competent structural engineer is even remotely considering using spray foam (closed or open) as part of the structural system. none. its not even a debateable topic. if they are asking you about the insulation, its probably just for adding up the superimposed dead load for what the actual structure will have to resist.

  • @fredjohnson4772
    @fredjohnson4772 4 месяца назад +1

    spray foam insulations are garbage

  • @vapeurdepisse
    @vapeurdepisse 8 месяцев назад +1

    Not a fan of the patchwork approach.

  • @andrewp5972
    @andrewp5972 8 месяцев назад +1

    Thank goodness you shaved that mustache.

  • @ledebuhr1
    @ledebuhr1 8 месяцев назад +1

    Does Matt still have time to build homes or does he just do RUclips?

    • @MrCannonls
      @MrCannonls 8 месяцев назад +2

      My bet is he runs a good company, trains people well, and sets the vision for how his project managers run the builds. Gives him time for big picture work.

    • @dondumitru7093
      @dondumitru7093 8 месяцев назад +1

      Product placements, and also working on getting their own branded trade show going. I generally agree with your comment.
      That said, it is also the case that the best people who are designing building products are those that were experienced builders themselves. So it isn't necessarily bad that an experienced builder is migrating upstream.

    • @DeuceDeuceBravo
      @DeuceDeuceBravo 8 месяцев назад

      Keep in mind that these guys can visit a site for a day or two and then generate many, many videos from that one visit.

  • @JohnLee-db9zt
    @JohnLee-db9zt 6 месяцев назад

    Two worst insulation materials for health.

  • @brooklynsoundproofing
    @brooklynsoundproofing 8 месяцев назад

    Please stop telling people that putting insulation in by itself is soundproofing. Yes it's one aspect of soundproofing to get a true soundproofed space you need to add mass and decoupling. I have so many people that tell us that they just want to blow in dense pack cellulose and that'll soundproof your existing wall and a majority of the time it doesn't work and people get upset. You can't just blow in a good product and hope it'll fix a problem there's usually more problems that need to be corrected.

  • @stevecrawford6958
    @stevecrawford6958 8 месяцев назад +1

    it's 2024. can we stop pretending foam, or any other insulative product has anything to do with air sealing? it's just pathetic.

    • @Jaker788
      @Jaker788 7 месяцев назад +1

      But it's literally one of the standard things to use in air sealing. If you're air sealing an attic, you use foam in the gaps between plumbing, electrical, lights, and wall top plates.
      Certainly as Matt said in the video, foam is not to be solely relied upon for sealing and won't get you to the very best possible seal. But it still has a place in air sealing spots and in existing construction sealing.