Is This the Ultimate Self-Defense Sword?
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- Now THAT's a "knife"... By medieval German standards. The messer (AKA langes / grosses messer or langmesser) is a single-edged sword with a characteristic guard and a knife-like hilt typically consisting of riveted handle scales with a pommel cap. It was a "common man's sword" particularly popular in the 15th & 16th century.
Have you seen my other videos about these and similar weapons?
Falchion or Messer? - Definition and Differences
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One Hell of a "Knife"! (Langes Messer by Lukas Mastle-Goer)
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How Practical is my Saber-Messer-Yatagan Hybrid Design?
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This reproduction is made by Landsknecht Emporium and fully functional ("battle-ready", as you might say). In this video I talk about its role in history and show you the results of the testing I did in order to review its build quality.
The weight, balance, and handling are just right. A remarkably powerful yet nimble sword, with an efficiently shaped, comfortable grip. The sharpened clip point makes it practically double-edged, and the blade geometry and seriously sharp edge make it cut impressively well.
** Specifications **
Overall length: 60.5 cm (23.8’’)
Blade length: 49.5 cm (19-1/2’’)
Blade width: 5.1 cm (2’’)
Blade thickness: 5.7 mm (7/32’’) tapering down to 4mm (5/32") near the tip
Point of balance: ca. 8.5 cm (3-1/3’’)
Weight: 997 g (2 lbs / 3 oz)
Blade material: 6150 spring steel
Handle material: Walnut (other options: beech, oak, pear, boxwood, antler)
Price (as of 22 April, 2022):
270EUR = 366 CAD = 294 USD
Scabbard: 120 EUR = 163 CAD = 130 USD
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** Sources **
Debunking the loophole myth:
“Ungewoenliche Lange Messer: Weapons regulations in Southern and Western Germany in the 15th century” by Bastian Koppenhöfer, 2021
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As a father I am uniquely qualified to rate those puns as dad appropriate.
Dadporiate, you mean?
Over ruled! Clear bias.
@@A_Black_Sheep94 i argue that he is an expert witness, and there for your biased objection is overruled.
👍
I too give a valid seal of approval 😂
1:20 Yeah, I think if anything messers were a loophole to a different kind of law. Namely, swords could only be made by swordsmiths. So if knifemakers wanted to benefit from the growing popularity and demand for sidearms among commoners messers were the way to go.
I don't have solid evidence for that but there is one court case from XV century Kraków that lead me to this conclusion. Namely, in the mid-XV century, the guild of swordsmiths in Kraków sued the guild of knifemakers over the right to produce sabers. Knifemakers were arguing that sabers were, like messers, just a variation of very long knives. In the end, the knifemakers lost the case and the exclusive right to forge sabers went to swordsmiths.
Edit: Ah, shit once again I should've waited and watched further before commenting. Of course, you addressed this.
Ah! A way to get around the Guilds. Very clever.
Makes good sense to me!
I think Shadiversity talked about that guild thing too.
Yea you should've, now you look like a COMPLETE moron
Got egg on your fave dump betch, get wrecked
Another reason I love this company: they offer left handed versions for all their Messer models! And for a $300 sword that is amazing
I was about to ask but then I saw his screenshot and was like, “sweet!”
My jaw actually dropped upon hearing their price, then you drop this fact about them? Enormous respect.
It's crazy that left handed stuff is still so niche when lefties are like 25% of the world. Trying to help my friend find a left handed guitar took calling half a dozen local shops and eventually resigning to buying one online.
@@aniquinstark4347 It's really annoying. The thing is, there are some right handers who use left handed stuff as personal preference, so there is definitely a market for lefty objects. But no, a lot of companies don't want to do that
@@ZeroRoyale same, I was like "damn this is really nice. Too bad I'm left handed." Gonna buy one rn.
"The measure" possibly refers to a physical representation of how long of a blade you're allowed to carry. I know this was done in my hometown of Regensburg, but unfortunately the tower where it was embedded burned down in 1709. Also there was probably no need to explain this, as it was common practice to have physical representations of common trade measurements displayed for all to see in order to hinder scamming.
Great point. Publicly displaying common trade measurements to hinder scamming is quite ingenious
@@Defensor_Libertatis so a Dungeon Master making a campaign could make a tower displaying common trade measurements for all to see? nice! :D
I've heard of this too, a wooden sword hung up at the gatehouse as an easy 'anything smaller than this is fine' measure. I'd not heard of other common measures being on display alongside but it makes sense for collecting gate tolls and tariffs.
I also like the Ell as the 'rule of thumb' since a guard stopping you in the street can easily spot-check the length by comparing it to his own arm.
Heyy, small world. Grüße aus Niederbayern ;)
@@Vespuchian We had something similar here in my state until it was done away with. Originally you couldn't carry anything that had a blade longer than the width of your hand, if the blade tip went from the edge of your hand to just past your thumb it was illegal to carry.
Crocodile Dundee: "That's not a knife...this is a knife"
Skallagrim: "Technically so is THIS!" 🤣
Crocodile Dundee would put his knife away and walk away in shame after seeing this weapon
Needs to be a comedy skit from the scene where he says that’s not a knife! This is a knife! Than a medieval knight walks in and shuts him down and says that’s not a knife! This is a knife 😂
Then he says awww and walks away in shame!
I saw Shad's video about swords as self defence but came away not exactly wanting a machete, despite agreeing with pretty much everything he said. After seeing this I realised I had always wanted a messer, I just didn't know it until now. Thanks Skall for the heads up!
When I am sparring with someone I will assert to them if they are using a messer by saying to them: nice knife.
"The townsguard didn't run around with tape measures [to check if the knife is of legal length]"
Not sure about that. They could easily carry a stick one ell long, which would serve the double purpose of checking knives' length and beating people up.
I'm not saying they did, this is purely speculation about how they could theoretically go about enforcing that law
Guards were checking your EDC knife with an ell length stick? I think it's a fair thought, it doesn't even need to be for whacking people with, you can carry a thin, light and uncumbersome piece of wood just to check knife lengths. They can be all like "oii mate you've got a loicense 4 dat, lemme check them lengthz bruh yeeeeeh" lol
@@joshuawalker301 just cut a notch in your truncheon, no need to carry an extra piece of gear
@@xyxxanx9810 that too! I mean we don't really know for sure we are all speculating here, but it's kinda always the simplest way most likely the way it was done.
They don't even need to carry it around, if I remember correctly most towns used to have the local measures at the town gates and the council house along with a list of the accepted currencies because it was used to collect toll off of what you bring into the city. This was especially necessary since every town may have used a system along the lines of fathom, ell and foot but the actual sizes of the units themselves varied massively (an Ell in Frankfurth was 54 cm where an Ell in Lyon was a whopping 132 cm).
I'd have given them an "ell" for that one xD
The problem when talking about german medieval times: there was no Germany. Every city and every town had different regulations and while there almost always was some kind of restriction on "Messerzücken" (drawing a knife), it varried immensley, even in the same town, but at different times.
Kleinstaatrei was a mess.
So its possible that some places banned double edged swords whilst single edged swords like messers were legal.
I come from southwestern part of Germany, which was up to 1268 Duchy Swabia, and from 1496 to 1803 Reichskreis / imperial district Swabia. This small area was split into 100 territories ( socalled Reichsstände), the villages of Reichsritterschaft/ Imperial Knights and curiosities like Reichtal/ Imperial Valley Oberharmersbach not included. This means not only different laws, but also different measurement units. The Elle noted in this Video had different lenghts, the length of state was in former times shown by an iron bar fixed at townhouse.
That is correct, yet people were organized in the HRR and they spoke the same language enough to be seen as one people from the outside, so did the Italians at least. Politically they were fractured far more than culturally because how little central power the king/Kaiser held. So technically speaking it wasn't Germany as in the modern nation state, but it was a cultural and political entity that was more than a fiction. What you are right about is identification on a micro-level. People identified with their city, hometown and so on, and (same as everywhere) people could be distinguished by their accents, but they probably didn't see themselves as "citizens" (a concept that simply didn't exist) who identified with the larger society. But then, most people in Europe back then didn't do that before the nation state emergence. So, I think middle age Germany is more a middle age "Germany", referring to it with the historical knowledge behind the concept of nation state vs. feudal state.
Not quite true. The HRE was absolutely real. It was just not one single state with one single law; neither is modern day Germany, neither are the United States.
Your opening deserves a thumbs-up.
My ongoing hypothesis is that the Knifemaker's guild produced *bauernwehr*, a very similar knife, and once the sword guild got uppity about it, they brought it to the courts. The courts sided with the knifemakers because of precedent and set the reasoning as being because of the handle, and with that pass, the Knifemakers acted with impunity and made the messer. Need to do research on it to confirm or debunk
Yeah, sounds plausible.
But then we get the Krieg(s)messer which too, totally is a knife guise
@@oz_jones Oh yes, once the precedent was set, there would be no point *not* to fully encroach, that's the idea
Never underestimate a historical design. This one looks amazing.
A weapon that had to be used doesn't get popular unless it *worked* (at least in the context where it was used).
It's striking how the real thing matches the art shown! I'm wondering if it will be dramatically larger in person!!! It could!
I just really love the designs of messers. I dunno why, prolly because the falchion is my favorite sword, but messers look more refined, yet still just as simple and rugged.
Same, i love the falchion but the other one's look isn't messer'n around
@@benjaminwalker9369 hooooooof 😂
You could definitely pack a Messer as a utility tool as well. You could probably even split fire wood with em.
@@spencer1980 Certainly. In military we were taught to chop wood with way smaller knives.
Curious that you think messers look more refined, as falchions seem to have been swords of the nobility during their heyday; whereas messers seem to have started out as much more of a commoners weapon and then spread to be all over the social classes
I squealed when I found a Messer in Elden Ring. The only sword I've ever owned - very briefly, before my parents got mad at me for having one as a kid - was a Grosse Messer and man that thing was cool.
Unfortunately, the thing they named "Grossmesser" in Elden Ring isn't a messer at all. To me it looks more like a scimitar or something similar.
And the thing called great knife is just a bowie knife
"No whimsical intro joke with this one"
that line got me so hyped for the joke I knew was coming LMAOO
I own one of these myself. Absolutely love it! One of my favorite swords. It's quite a few years old now. They really have improved their grip game and honestly I'm jealous that mine doesn't have the newer grip 😑.
Where can I get one of these?
Nevermind I red the description and found the sight. Worth the price for sure
@@samuraiS30v @BladeLover NiTiNOL 60 HI, I've had great service and products from them. Just be sure to check so other reviews. They have a rough handmade finish to their products that some people may not like. Obviously nothing that effects performance. I know Matthew Jensen also did a review on their product that was very honest regarding this.
Stuff like those Messer-puns are AXEctly why I like this channel ;D
Yes. Those types of jokes are the punnicle of comedy.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
They certainly do pommel you right in the ol' humerus. They cut right to the heart of the joke and you get the point nigh instantly. This sort of humour always gets my heart going pitter pata, I'm always gladius when I blunderbuss onto such opportunities to whip out my armoury of puns. Thank you I'll be here all week, I khopesh to see y'all later.
@@HenshinFanatic That, my good Sarissa stretch and a half.
What a world we live in that there is a “Landsknecht Emporium”. Amazing.
4:28
Me explaining to a guard named Skallagrim: No sir. Nail guard? No, that's just where I hang it up at home, honest.
I've always thought the most practical sort of bladed weapon for someone who's not actually fighting a war is a medium-length broad-bladed knife. Too long and it's not practical to carry all the time. Too light and it's not useful for non-fighting tasks. The popularity at various times of things like the seax, messer, dirk, and Bowie knife indicates that I'm not the only one who thought this way.
This is one of the resons for almost all the armed forces in the world to still have standart(ish) issue machetes for the troops.
The best weapon is the one that you can still use for non-combat tasks.
@@astranix0198 the hand axe? the hammer? the... hamaxe?
@@mastergwaha a big fork?
@@castielsisko2120 heavy spork
bad dad jokes are not exclusive to dad's .
at that point it's just bad jokes .
jokes are always good regardless if the goal is a groan or laugh .
love the terry Gilliam style cartoon bit .
12:02 GAWD DAYUM double cheeked up on a sunday
Wow that’s cutting edge technology.
As a complete sword noob who's never even held one, I just find it fascinating how light these things could get. 997 grams? That sharpened piece of steel and wood weighs *less* than the water bottle on my desk, sans the plastic.
It is wild, yes! Also, cue me in surprised with the information of this comparision!
997 grams is actually really quite heavy for something this short. A lot of medieval arming swords are around that weight, and many later infantry sabres are lighter than that (perhaps around 800 grams). If you look at smallswords you get down to even 500 grams if memory servers me well. Though of course the latter is a very different kind of sword to this
Yes, and for a single-handed sword you don't want a whole lot more weight (most are around 0.9 - 1.3 kg, rarely more).
@@Skallagrim Even (non-ceremonial) Zweihänders are only a few pounds or so and those are huge even for 2-handed swords. A layman will see how big they are and think they are a lot heavier, not knowing how the weight distribution makes a managing the size a lot harder than a little dumbell nor how quickly you need to change direction in combat. I know I was such a fool at one point.
If its well balanced it will feel almost weightless.
Got the like in the first five seconds for the messer pun. And then you followed up with a second messer pun!!! Knifely done 👍
You don’t messer-ound
you mentioned hand slippage if/when i buy that knife im going to a auto parts store and buying me some rubber car tire plugs and 3 of them are going in to those hollow pins and getting trimmed so that just the smallest rounded bit sticks out. Even with it not being a issue might as well because it would look good and add just a little more security to the grip lol
I happen to come from a family with a long tradition of puns, so there's no anger at that opening here!
I thought it was the "lung messer" because it "messes your lungs up"
😂😂😂
Landsknecht Emporium is the best on the market when it comes to Messer, and the Gustav is probably my favorite of their standard fare.
Really glad to see it get the Skall treatment.
They sell good stuff, yet too bad I find the blade shape of their longer 2 handers disappointing. I very much prefer the aesthetic of the albion kriegmesser.
Feedback again: Small, this video is perfect! Great title and thumbnail. Amazing product. You have some interesting history, live demo, test cutting, practicality considerations, both in historical context and modern day. It's everything I wanted from my previous feedback.
I know you can't always do weapon demos for every video, bit this is a really excellent execution. Also, the first messer joke made me chuckle, and the second one made me laugh. That's really good too.
Keep up the great work. I'm still rooting for you.
Glad to see you take this seriously. No time to messer round
Messer joke was perfection.
Doesn't it get annoying when he keeps.... *Messing* with us ; )
That's an awesome reproduction, and it looks like it'd be superior even to the Roman Gladius short sword! Its equally impressive that the cost is so low that us commoners today could easily afford one! Kinda surprised that it doesn't come with the scabbard as most blades do, though, but the scabbard is also very versatile and well thought out! Very nice!
After watching Matt Eastons vid on the ideal modern sword. This definitely meets all the criteria. Especially with the buckler. Thanks again Skall love landsnecht emporium stuff
I can absolutely see why you would classify it as the best self-defense sword. It's just so very convenient in ease of carry, adaptability, and cutting.
Edit: Huh, I really wasn't expecting this much attention. Cool
It’s almost as if SD weapons are typically smaller in nature than offensive weapons. Rifle/pistol, long sword/short sword, etc…
Your more likely to carry a smaller tool that you will use far less than a larger tool that just gets in the way 90% of the time.
@@soonerfrac4611 Not to mention that shorter weapons are quicker to draw. In a self-defense scenario this can mean the difference between life and death.
Exactly! You’re going to be in tight quarters more than likely and a rapier or arming sword is probably significantly more tool for the job. Reminds me of the Japanese having multiple sword lengths for different reasons as well. Same today with sidearms. I’ve got bigger ones but I’m more apt to carry a smaller one more often.
@@soonerfrac4611 in WWI Italy fielded a unit for trench warfare that was armed only with knives..just regular butcher/bowie sized ones...under the cover of fire, they would crawl close enough to the trenches & dive in and just slaughter their opponents in those close quarters...
I got a Cold Steel tanto point machete.
I’m getting this sword! I bought it online before this review even came out. Can’t wait to try it out.
Good choice. i got mine around Nov 2020 and it is realy amazing.
I also am eagerly awaiting for mine to arrive.
@@arh9068 Bro, I’m still waiting right now. Hasn’t come in yet.
It's been nine months, come Groundhog day that I asked them to make messers for me. I didn't know I'd wait this long so I'm glad I asked for two and they could be here before Summer!
If I'm getting delivery soon, and ordered after the review here, than you should already have yours. I ordered May 2
I am a D-guard bowie enthusiast, this sword (knife) :) is a go for me. Thanks for bring it to our attention.
Keep it up. This was my favorite vid of yours so far.
I'm honestly starting to get a fondness for german style swords. Messers really are quite an elegantly simple design, and when well made are genuinely artistic in the craftsmanship on display. Aesthetic of of form through function, as it were.
They really have a subtle beauty to them don't they? There's something elegant in the gall of going into combat with a giant knife, as contradictory as that sounds.
Be careful with attributing things to Germany just because someone slaps a German word in front of it. You'll get a lot of swords from around Europe called messers when not even the blade originates from a german state. It can fit the definition of a messer, but have no direct connection to what is modern day germany, so calling it a messer can be misleading. It's a little bit like how people have decided to start calling all greatswords "zweihanders" despite the fact that very large two handed swords obviously existed outside of what is modern day Germany; and "zweihander" is pragmatically a less helpful term than "greatsword", and the latter doesn't have any national connotations. Honestly there's a pretty suss infatuation with all things germany in a lot of online circles, and unfortunately it exists in the hema world; though it's thankfully less on the nose than in ww2 history circles lol
@@tommeakin1732
And what does have modern day Germany to do with this? Why should the borders of modern day germany matter for this?
You know the borders were different back then?
@@xluca1701 Because Germany didn't exist back then. I'm trying to emphasis "the german states" as opposed to Germany. I might not have phrased that very well a couple of times
@@tommeakin1732
I think most people on this channel are aware of the fact that Germany back then didn't exist as today
It reminds me of the short barreled shockwave shotguns that aren't technically shotguns or rifles or pistols so they can get around the restrictions. All of us who own one always make the joke of "I'm going to the range with my not-a-shotgun" Or my favorite "I'm going to the range with my none NFA Item.
Explain, what do you mean shockwave shotgun?
@@dougneon9550 look up Mossberg Shockwave
@@dougneon9550 it's a firearm made by the Mossberg, based on their 590 model of shotgun.
It's a 12 gauge that has a 13 inch barrel length, but doesn't fall under Short Barrel Shotgun laws.
Because, it isn't a shotgun.
It isn't a pistol either.
And it certainly isn't a rifle.
It's the definition of "American gun laws are dumb".
@@DH-xw6jp laws so dumb it's as if they were written by UK knife laws.
@@dougneon9550 Basically, if I remember correctly, they're not a shotgun, pistol or rifle because they're smoothbore and were created without a stock; it doesn't allow you to shoulder the weapon. SInce it was made stockless, emphasis on manufactured and has never had a stock.
I love the into and the dressed up assistant!! Keep up the good work Skall
A fine addition to the collection
The Landsknecht Emporium Gustav! I reviewed this blade last May, with some contrast and comparison with the Cold Steel MAA single-handed messer. Quite a beast! Imposing in every and each way. But the short blade length (50cm) really gave me the feeling that the blade hasn't fully accelerated when it makes contact with the targets, even though it consistently cut well in my very extensive cutting session. Maybe I'm just used to cut with much longer bladed swords. I don't know how it would fare against highly resistant targets like gambeson, but the tip speed is definitely an issue. There's a lot of distal taper so it does feel very nimble and maneuverable.
For self-defense or home-defense though, this is perfect. The short length works well in confined spaces. I even did some cutting when pairing it with a Talhoffer buckler on my patio, where a longer blade may have some trouble. Even the false-edge is very well sharpened. Kudos to Landsknecht Emporium. I hope they release some more models in the future, like a few more models of kriegsmesser and maybe steel dussacks.
Some notes from a German, Britta is my girlfriend. In old woodcuts of late 15th/ early 16th century ,Germany' mostly the ,Bauernwehr' is shown. Die Wehr ( das Wehr is a quite different thing) is an old term for weapon ( Waffe). Today Gewehr means in german language: a) in military context full size battle rifle b) in civilian context all long firearms ( rifles, shotguns and combined weapons like Drilling), but up to 18th century, Gewehr could also be a polearm or bladed sidearm. In early 16th century there had been in ,Germany' not only the famous 300 states ( the imperial knights not included) with different laws, the non nobles and non Knights hat been by law NOT the same. The inhabiants of towns ( a fortfied settlement with town rights given by a noble or spiritual lord) had been free men, and as free men the right to own weapons ( and use them for defending the town and when travelling), but: In large or midsize imperial towns, in residence towns or otherwise rich town there had been socalled Patrizier , which had similar wealth than Knights, and some very rich Patrizier, for example Jakob Fugger from Augsburg ( the richest European of his time) had the wealth of nobles! They had the money, to buy good weapons, armours and horses and had been the small mounted part of town levy, and some members of such rich families fought as Man at Arms, Gens des Armes , Reisiger. But in the majority of german towns, the richest men had been master craftsmen/ Handwerksmeister . They could buy no horses, no full armour and mid to good quality weapons. But the ordinary craftsmen ( in german Handwerksgesellen), and the realy poor men ( auxillaries/ hands) had not the money to buy armour . In wartime they needed equipment of town weapon house, as private arms the poor towns men, i think they could only buy such a Langes Messer, or the shorter Bauermwehr, or had only their EDC knife and perhaps a wilden stick/ Club/ baton or a tool.
Outside of towns the situation was much worser. Most of rural men had been only semifree or unfree ( a bit better than a slave), few freefarmers / Freibauern remained, mostly in more moutainous regions ( in my state Schwarzwald/ Blackforrest and Allgäu) and few coastal regions ( in 1500 the Dithmarschen farmers could beat Danish Army at Hemmingstett). So, the unfree farmers by law had not the right to own weapons ( relict of germanic tribal era) , so only Bauernwehr , tools and auxillary weapons had been possible. Sometimes unfree farmers got some wealth, so their Lord perhaps allowed them a Langes Messer and a,cheap spear. The semifree men had the right to own weapons, but often not the money, so that also here Bsuernwehr, Langes Messer, cheap Spears , tools and auxillary weapons had been the norm. The few remaining freemen could own weapons, but here often money was a problem. During the , Bauernkrieg'/ Farmers war', a large farmers revolt of 1525 ( to be exact 1524 to 1526) most farmers had no armour ( perhaps captured pieces from destroyed castles or town armouries), mostly no good weapons, exeption of captured pieces. Mostly Bauernwehr or Langes Messer, spiked Clubs, flails, scythes, forks, axes. But some farmers crowds/ Haufen of richer regions had been better equipped than average and hired Landsknechte ( which had been mostly former farmers, who knew farmers problems).
But the uncoordinated revolts had been crushed down by the rulers,, and the tips of farmers longer knifes had been cut away, and up to 1848 ( three centuries !) german rural non nobles could not own weapons. ( With few exeptions.)
@@brittakriep2938 Wow, very detailed explanations!
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold : I am no academic, only a german style trained worker ( Facharbeiter) with middle education ( socalled Mittlere Reife), but a Kindergarten daytrip to ,Bear cave' and ,Lichtenstein castle ' in 1971 was the start of historical interesst. In 51 years a solid basic knowledge in history of my homeregion envolved (?) , so i often notice, that non german history youtubers don' t exactly know german situation. For example in my homeregion the ruins of medieval castles are much smaller than in France or England.
"But the short blade length (50cm) really gave me the feeling that the blade hasn't fully accelerated when it makes contact with the targets".
I have the sword and tend to agree. The shortness does limit tip acceleration, but this is offset by the comparatively high weight (mass) this weapon has for its size.
Oh yeah, it cuts very well. It just has a weird vibe when you swing it probably due to the fact that most of us are used to longer blades. It has the mass the edge profile to be a beast in cutting.
That uh... sword...uh, knife... sharp piece of steel looks great!
And I like new "like, comment, share" intro =)
I somehow forgot to hit like after that new intro. Fortunately I wasn't in full screen so I did press like afterword!
I've been watching your channel for quite some time now. and i''ve always been interested in getting a sword for myself to get into the hobby. This langmesser convinced me for it to be my first real messer (sword). Very excited for it!. great review as always.
I am need enough to enjoy your humor and your evaluation of weapons.
In February I finally got (after a year! no less) my D-shaped knuckle bow bowie from Windlass Steelcraft. 620 grams and 45 cm blade with a nice enough functional scabbard, all for about 60+ SS. Very nimble and sturdy. I think it will work just as good as this Landsknecht Emporium beauty. The only thing I do not know is which kind of steel it is.
It's 1055 steel, Skall's done a video on it earlier:
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I have been wanting to get one of those for a long time.
@@c99kfm Thanks. I saw that video but was unable (or too lazy) to find it once more.
I think Shad is the RUclips sword dad, but you're definitely the sword uncle, so puns are acceptable.
Hm
Ever since I've seen other videos about the messar, I've loved them. When you really look at them, you can argue that they are predessors of other blades: cutlass, and machetes to name a few, that became staples for the common folks who needed well made and inexpensive weapons
Great work as is expected and always given by you! Thank you!
It is a must have, a year later watching will it still be available.
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I love the new addition to the Skall armoury: Kjallburg the viking puppet! I actually have two mannequins of my own - one carries my gambeson, the other wears my brigandine :-)
One of my favourite youtubers showing one of my favourite weapons. Now that's entertainment!
Love the sword. I think the Cold Steel Loredo Bowie is the best knife for cqb. Blade is a heavy 9.5 inches long. It is easy to throw for reaching out to touch someone. It's a killer.
I always appreciate the history research in your videos.
Honestly I love your videos and they really help me come up with "realistic" weapons or items as rewards for players in my DnD campaigns. I wish you good luck with future videos and I hope you still get to make them on subjects you enjoy!
I've been interested in Landsknecht Emporium for awhile (I'm sort of a messer fanboy) nad have been eyeballing this model for a good while....I think I need it.
Hey Skall! Just leaving a comment for the algorithm monster :)
Thanks for the video, we're really glad you like Gustav so much and also love to see the test cutting went this well :)
I just received this today and I am blown away by the quality of this tool. It is everything you said it would be and then some. This has such visual presence that it is actually a work of art. A long wait but worth every penny. This excellent review is the reason I now have an heirloom my kids will fight over.
Skall tryna give shad a run for his money in bodymass alone
Conflicts between knifemakers and swordsmiths were common in 15th century Poland too, and in too make things funnier, in 15th sabres started becoming increasingly popular in the region too. Both swords and knife fellows wanted to produce them.
12:02 Damn Skall, they had some double cheeked up training material back in the day :D
My next knife/short sword, for sure. Excellent video, thanks!
Stop messing around. It's messing me up.
I think I'm in love. That is the most beautiful steak knife ever.
That knife would work wonderfully with my martial art. I'm a big fan of machete but this would do everything just stronger with the right steel.
Most don't understand steel is what makes anything worthwhile. Spring steel is where it's at. This is a fighting bowie on steroids.
Love to see a long term test doing some stupid wood stuff. Just to justify its usefulness
Where we differ is almost $300 for basic spring steel is on the high side. Guess I'll just make my own.
As for self defense. Just look up machete attacks.
99.9% don't understand you don't fight the other weapons. You attack the closest target. If you don't understand what I just said seek out a trainer. I promise they will agree if they don't find someone else. Fighting is all about target selection. Experience is knowing how and why and what.
FMA?
@@nolanolivier6791Filipino martial arts
Thanks for the review, I've never owned a messer, and was meaning to get one at some point, this seems like an amazing sword for a great price. I just ordered one, and I'm looking forward to trying it out on some milk cartons.
Did you receive yours?
@@ssunfish Yeah, it actually ended up arriving a couple weeks earlier than I expected it too. It’s definitely worth getting, it feels like an $900+ sword in the hand, and the fit and finish is very good. The scabbard is wood core and felt lined, with a snug enough fit that you can hold it upside down and shake it fairly hard and the sword won’t budge, but it still comes out freely and easily in a draw while you’re wearing it (no need for a second hand to hold the scabbard while drawing). My only real complaint is that the hilts edges are a bit too angular, and if you don’t wear a glove while swinging it around it can dig into your hand to the point that it’s painful sometimes. When I ordered it, I ordered the scabbard with the Lyse By-Knife integrated into it, which is an option on the scabbard page. If I were to order it again, I would ask them if they could put one of the next two larger knives into the scabbard instead or in addition. That way I have a functional offhand weapon/camp knife/kitchen knife with me rather then just a small eating knife. I got the same knot work integrated belt that Skall did, and chose the walnut grip, and the undecorated brown scabbard so that it would be more versatile with costuming options at the Ren Faire/LARP. Choosing the leather grip option may resolve the hilt digging into the hand problem, but I’m not sure on that point. I chose to use PayPal to pay which cost me a bit more but I preferred to have the security of being able to get my money back if something went wrong since it was a new website I’d not purchased from before and I’ve had issues with failure to receive products online before. Overall I’m very happy I bought it, and would definitely recommend you do too if you’re considering it. I hope that this helps.
That was great review as well as being very informative. My compliments!
I like the music in the background for this. Very fitting, and not very distracting
I was just looking at reviews of Landsknecht Emporium's messers last night and now this video pops up! It seems the fates have intervened in their favour
The Matrix has you.
Now just imagine the fork
Behold of the spoon! 🤯🤕🥴
In addition to the technical details, it also just looks gorgeous as heck.
You got a groan out of me with the opening joke. I always watch your sword (knife) reviews. Great looking blade.
Definitely worth looking into.
Thanks for the review. Glad they sent it to you.
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On a side note I find it amusing how certain fantasy games say that one cannot bash with a buckler. A punch to the face with a buckler like that would not be pleasant.
I'm sure laws were very contextual. Just like in modern day rural areas. If the legal max length was just the blade or full knife would depend on the guards mood, and your excuse as for why you have such a mighty blade.
I love how I instantly recognized the handle instantly because I was replaying The Witcher 3 yesterday and got to the Bloody Baron, and he had the same handle on his knife.
Wow! Its awesome. Especially with the mini buckler.
The Catachan Jungle Fighters would still consider that a small knife.
Although I am a fan of this channel, I do not know much of swords or blades. Nevertheless, one thing is for sure; that's one helluvah sexy functioning knife... short sword?
Hey Skall, loved the video! The music in the background is a perfect addition. Keep up the good work!
I'd love to support the channel financially. Unfortunately I am a mere medical student running low on funds right now. I hope to be able to join the Patreon eventually and Messer-ound with the boys on discord.
Jeez... That knife can really make a "messer" things.
I have often cinsidered a hanger or a cutlass as the best "modern" self defense sword. Curiously, a Long Bowie knife, with a knuckle bow guard, was a popular weapon among Confederate soldiers in the American War Between the States.
My opinion for the best civilian defense/multipurpose blade is the Alehouse Dagger,basically a heavy basket hilted nacksword of blade lenght between one and 2 feet. Basically add a heavy guard that can be used a knuckleduster to this messer and you are set:the best possibile compromise between many different factors.
Exactly yes sir! I assume you aren't an American as we call it a the Civil War but you know blades
@@j-rocd9507 I am an American, but I choose to believe that there was nothing "civil" about that war.
@@rainsilversplash4376 times may have changed over the last few decades, but back in the day southern folks considered the term "civil war" to be a bit too puffed up and academic, and I suspect they'd agree with you that referring to it as "civil" was a bit offensive. Terms like that are luxuries only afforded to the winners after the fact. Much more common to hear it called simply the War of the States.
Can you talk about arabian swords
How theyare effective in battle
their pros and cons and how they were used
It would be an intersisting video
I have love the messer for the points that you just mentioned. It's very versatile weapon. You get a lot of things in a "small" package. Hopefully one day I can get one.
"That's a lot of power in a small package"
I see you Skal, and I will keep watching :D
Nice. Really cool demo of the clipped false edge use. That worked really well, and the slow mo showed it.
Well the messer exist because of a loophole. But the loophole was that knifesmith aren't allowed to make swords.....that is the priviledge of swordsmith and the swordsmith guild guarded it. But there was no regulation how long a knife could be, as long it has a knife grip its a knife. So the knifesmith entered into the lucrative trade in that way and outproduce the regular swordsmith.
A complete industrial sector spawned that way that even many swordsmith entered simply it was to quite lucrative on their own. The produce only the blade itself and let the local knifesmith finish it.
Many famous swordsmithing cities got quite rich that way, such Solingen, Toledo and many more. And because of this manufacture process pushed the prices for Messer down....it became much more affordable than a normal sword. And it was never forbidden to possess a sword in medieval germany and were also never priviledge for nobility only. The reason why Messer became so popular were because they were much cheaper and were also at the same quality level as many swords. And citizen were forced to pay for their own equipment if they were recruited for a war.
So logical speaking pay a cheaper price for weapon that has the same quality, you can afford to spent more on armor to save your life.....and armor were much more expensive.
Some cities like Cologne did a temporary weapon ban, simply because they lost control over conflict inside the cities.....but that ban was that you weren't allowed to carry certain types of weapon and it was sometimes specified on what hours the weapon ban came into effect. The possession of weapons were allowed and deemed as necessary since cities (or lords) wont pay for equipment for their own army or hired mercenaries (or mostly of it......they give a poor citizen a spear and that was it).
👏🏽 This is a great video, and the history lesson. Reminds me of Samurai, when an when the Emperor tried to band Samurai swords. 🤔 Or even in modern times with firearms an trying to get around these ATF weapon band agendas!
Straight-swords Vs Katana? both are inferior to the sheer universal utility that is.... the MACHETE, TRULY the ultimate in self-defense blades, sure it may not have the range of a rapier or whatever, but in overall versatility, the MACHETE is the MOST universal survival blade, hack a human, or hack a tree? MACHETE is ALWAYS the answer
Skallagrim: My new favorite single handed sword
Skalchion: *Cries in the corner*
A beautiful simple little weapon. Can't beat that
Having trained Lecküchner with the longer and thinner messers, I'd say specifically that the one you have there would be much better as a self defence weapon.
With a shorter blade it'd be more portable and with the thickness of the blade it'd be much more effective against flesh than something like the Karl Messer from landsknechtemporium I'm familiar with.
I’m getting this sword made now! Did you do any abusive testing?
Hey did you use those coupons he listed in the description and did they work for you?
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I jumped on this May 2 when I saw this video. I just today got email and tracking saying it should be here from Budapest on Groundhog day. I hope for BEST omens!!!!! Nine month babies. Gustav and Gunther. I'll ever after never again go unarmed without a sword. My first Messer's.
@@ssunfish I ordered the same! Can you comment again when you get them? I am really excited for you
@@TheMan-je5xq the one for the scabbard worked but they’re probably all used up.
Messer, I knew it before you said anything. The Germans have some awesome blades. Probably my favorites. I love German craftsmanship. Beer, sausages, watches, cars, guns, blades... Good stuff.
Oooooooo! Thanks! I've been eyeballing the Adorian model for awhile now. Might need to snag one.
I guess I have to revoke my nerd card now.
I only got what the joke was after a second look and noticed it was a messer, I'm disappointed in myself.
I think that if we're talking about historical settings, you're right about the short reach being a disadvantage. But I think the size is actually an advantage if it were carried for modern self defense. It's probably not legal to carry that in a lot of places, and people would think you're a lunatic even if it were legal, but if you were to carry that in a city where it WAS legal, you'd be at an advantage against literally any weapon except for a firearm.
Baseball bats might be a bit longer, but they're not as nimble and leave you wide open after a swing. Same with most other longer blunt weapons someone in a city might attack you with. If they have a knife, then you have an advantage in reach. If someone attacked you with a taser, you'd have the reach advantage. Like, if you could carry this in modern times, in a modern city, it really would be the ideal weapon, because it's not like anyone is likely to pull a longsword or spear on you in a dark alley anymore.
And here in my state I can carry this basically anywhere except restricted government areas
Thank you for sharing this with us Skal. I'm ordering something similar asap
Looks like it would be good for cutting competitions. If they ever bring back that show "Knife or Death" you should apply and use that messer.
Too short for self defence. You want something that will really make it difficult to close in. I think smallswords evolved exactly for this purpose and provide the optimum ratio of conveniance and power.
just ordered one, has been on my radar for a couple years
I love your videos keep up the great work! I have been entertained by your videos for years!
Dude, your content is amazing. Keep up the good shit.