OK. Here's what I heard - "I've had this for 48 hours..." And now there's a video. And it looks good. And it's quite complete. And there's an interview. My Takeaway - I need to come hang out with you for a week so you can show me how the hell you do that! :) Great coverage! And good luck to what I assume is your daughter!
Zoom was really listening here. I saw people on the forum talking about recording straight to the cards when in interface mode. I never would've guessed they'd even attempt to do automix of any kind though. Damn zoom, great job. Can't wait to get one.
I think they may have been pissed about SD going after the pro-sumer market with the mix pre release. Shots have been fired. Haha. The win goes to us though.
Yea. I got to play with it back in January when it was still very early in design. And I played with with it a month ago. We put it through its paces and used the new S-Mic 2 on the new Zoom F8n interview videos.
Amazing review Curtis, I was on the Edge now but I am definitely getting one in July, the auto mix, Mic level /line level "pro level" examples really helped answer the questions I had. Plus, breaking down the work around situations us F8 users run into was solid! Keep up the good work and looking forward to the final review.
Hi Curtis. Great vid 👍 I have the original F8 and its portable mixer ... I actually managed to use this version on loan from a friend. I didn't use it onset but I did note the improved headphone amp. I like the new look interface too. Sound wise I didn't notice any real difference when running into my studio mixer & monitors. Otherwise I like it, just not enough to re-invest just yet.
Thanks for the impressions, Chris. I believe that the preamps and A/D converter are the same - at least Zoom is not claiming any upgrade in their marketing materials. This update seems very focused on the updated limiter, AutoMix, etc.
Thanks so much for this review! I look forward to the full review; (this “brief” review is far more detailed than a most on youtube; thanks for being the best!)
Excellent overview as always, Curtis. Looks great like feature-wise. Our options just keep getting better and better. I did notice something in the sound, though. During the solo parts and voice-over parts, there is a "wolly-ness" in the audio that was distracting. I didn't hear it on the section with you and your daughter. If I were to guess, it sounded like something was being over-driven, but not full-on digital clipping. FWIW, I hear it on both my AKG K240 and Sony MDR7506 headphones.
I'd be interested to see if any of the more software-based features will ever make their way to the original Zoom F4/F8 through a future firmware update.
Thank you for a great video again. Impressive product for that price. I decided for a F4 when it came out because of the missing camera return in the F8. I think the F8n now has camera return as well. You may want to address this in your full review, I guess. Only little downside is that they went away from the battery case. I love it. Out in the field -and it‘s a field recorder after all- I do not want to fiddle around with single batteries. I change the empty caddy with my second caddy containing the spare batteries. That‘s perfect for my current needs. Unluckily, I would have to rethink my power strategy if I upgraded. However, great review, thank you very much.
Hi cloudyO5, thanks! Yes, I can see how the lack of caddy could be an issue when relying on AA batteries for your power source. There isn't a new physical input for camera return on the F8n so I'll have to look more into that. Might still be an issue or require use of one of the main inputs as a return. With the ability to switch between mic/line and IF you have an open input, that might be a workable solution (though not ideal).
Thanks for the quick turnaround on the vid! I'm convinced I'm going to wait for this to be available and will avoid the on sale F8. I can't afford a 664 at this point in my career but this seems to be a great step towards that pro quality gear in the meantime. Thanks again!
Great first look, thank you! When you do your detailed review, I would love a deeper look at the audio interface feature and how Zoom's implementation compares to the Mix Pre's implementation.
Hi Gen, will do. Out of curiosity, what are you planning to do with the F8n as an audio interface? Multitrack music recording? Podcast recording? Driving monitors and headphones?
To be honest, I am still on the fence between the Mix Pre 6 and this new 8n. Being able to get rid of my audio interface is a big feature for me. So is having enough gain to cleanly drive an RE-20 or an SM7b. My use case would be for podcast recording including with remote guests, driving monitors and headphones.
Ok, totally makes sense. I can say a few things about using them as audio interfaces right away: The F8n has balanced outputs. This is great for driving powered monitors. On the MixPre-3 & 6 there is only an unbalanced 3.5mm output so you also have to buy a stereo DI box to convert to balanced to prevent buzz or hum (at least with my monitors which can also take an unbalanced input, and even with relatively short cables in the 6' range, the monitors picked up a bunch of hum this way.) The MixPre's headphone amplifier sounds better to my ear. The F8n takes a little more menu diving to put it into interface mode than the MixPre. That's not a huge deal, just takes a second or two longer but can be a bit annoying to those used to working with a purpose built audio interface that is ready to go once powered up. The MixPre was good in terms of latency in my measurements. I expect the same from the F8n but we'll test that to be certain in the final review.
Hi Curtis. Compliments for your great reviews. I use a Sounddevice 552 together with an Sony FS-7 camera. My soundman records the sound with the Sony FS-7. Is there a possibility to hear the return sound, the sound that reaches the FS-7, with the earphones connected to the Zoom F8n?
Hi, the F8 and F8n do NOT have a dedicated camera return, but if you have a spare microphone input, you could use that to take audio back from the camera for monitoring.
Great video as always, Curtis. Looks like the new F8n has some worthwhile improvements. I'm not a soundie per se but have considered buying a decent recorder such as this as it looks really good although I'm not too struck on the small dials (and wouldn't need 8 inputs) which is why the Sound Devices (with their analogue limiters) look slightly more appealing albeit all of them have their own pros and cons. I wonder if an F4n is in the offing.... 😉
Yeah, the screen on the F4 is pretty unappealing. Looks like Zoom Fx and Sound Devices MixPre-x are all really good although it's weird how the Zoom (a pro-sumer manufacturer) gives balanced outputs yet Sound Devices only does for the 10. Perhaps it's all about the intended markets, i.e. Zoom trying to woo people with "pro" features and SD seeing the 3 & 6 models as being used by pro-sumers....
Exactly: The two companies are coming from different markets and targeting different markets. I believe the MixPre is Sound Devices' first mass produced product that is not manufactured in their US factory and they're looking to bring their high quality recorders to the enthusiast and semi-pro market. Zoom is coming from decades of mass produced consumer electronics and trying to win over some pros and semi-pros. As a pro gear company, Sound Devices does really well supporting their historically small, niche customer base with stellar support. They don't usually compete on price. It isn't in their DNA. Perhaps that will change with the MixPre line but I wouldn't expect to see that change. Zoom, as a consumer electronics company, is very comfortable competing on price. I don't know exactly what their support organization looks like, but I suspect that is where they're going to have trouble winning over pros. That's an area where Sound Devices is very strong in pro world. It'll be very interesting to see how this plays out. In the meantime, we've got some really stellar products to choose from!
Hi, I prefer both for different types of jobs. From my point of view, it depends on the types of shoots you do and all of the requirements around that - e.g., do you need timecode, do you need to send line out for camera hops, do you need to enter metadata, do you prefer to do that via keyboard or app? For app, are you on iOS or Android? There are a lot of factors to consider. They are both very good recorders and a skilled person can make great recordings with both. But depending on the way the person works and the types of things they're recording, one may be better suited to the job than the other.
Hi Allen, started working with the 8050 last fall. Works pretty well with my voice. Not exactly neutral, but I find it flattering for most people’s voices.
Thank you for sharing these videos. Do you know if there is a way to record and use the real time clock when you playback instead of the audio's duration?
Hi Holli, are you referring to the in-built timecode generator? Even when you are not sending timecode out of the f8n, it is still running internally and each file is timestamped with the timecode clock's time in metadata at the start of the recording.
Haha, they added simultaneous USB audio streaming and SD recording, to catch up with the MixPre series. Good on them. Now Sound Devices can't say they have the only units on the market with that feature. An intelligent feature like auto mixing seems like a logical next step for all devices in the prosumer range. The defining feature on all new technology soon is going to be how helpful it is to the user, not just how well it functions. It's good to know the advanced hybrid limiter works well (within the bounds of its capabilities) and the final price of the unit makes it very competitive with both the MixPre-6 and the MixPre-10T. I'm actually kind of surprised they brought the price down that much. Seems like it could have done just fine against the $1800 MixPre-10T at $1200. As usual, your "initial review" is more in-depth and helpful than most reviewers' complete reviews.
No exchangeable battery tray? Big step backwards! I probably wouldn't upgrade anyway, but now I know I won't. Some of the other changes sound like they could easily be implemented in a firmware upgrade for the original F8. Would be really nice if that happened! Thanks for the overview!
Thanks for the feedback Lau. Good that you already have an F8. I'm not sure that the electronics have the power necessary to add the additional firmware features, but perhaps they do.
Great review! I’ve had my eye on the mix-pre 6 for a while now but this new F8n looks really promising. With all these new features, do you think it tops the mix pre 6? Only problem I have with the Zoom F series is how small the knobs are :(
Hey Chris, thanks! I guess it depends on the type of work you're doing. I have a comparison of the original F8 and MixPre-6 if that is of use: ruclips.net/video/NadEMwaCNEY/видео.html
Hey Curtis, could you make a video explaining how to sync, Jam, and generate TC with the MixPre 10t. I've looked everywhere for a video showing how and cant find one. Thanks
Hi Pure Luxury Films. Yes, can do. It'll be on my other channel - Curtis Judd Audio. Out of curiosity, on which part of the process do you need help? Which type of timecode are you using - Free run? Which cameras are you using? Which timecode generator(s) are you using?
Curtis Judd I'm using the ursa mini 4.6k and I was filming last night a car scene from outside the car with lavs connected to the mixpre but I didnt have a mic connected to the ursa so syncing is going to be fun, the remembered I could sync TC from the ursa and the 10T but idk which or how to best do this
Ok, that helps, thanks! Do you have an external timecode generator to connect to the Ursa Mini or are you planning to keep the Ursa Mini and MixPre tethered to each other during the shoot?
The ability to use that simultaneously as an interface is pretty exciting - I'd like to try that out. I think everything on my short list just got bumped down one...
I have few questions regarding a new audio interface (Rode AI-1). And I really need your expert advice on this matter. Please stay with me, I have a lot of questions. Things I have: * Audio Technica M50x Monitor Headphones * Bose Companion 2 (Series: 3) PC Speakers * Rode Smartlav+ Lav Mic. Things I'm interested in buying: * Rode AI-1 Audio Interface. * Rode NTG4 Shotgun Mic. * Audioquest Dragonfly Black USB DAC. * Zoom H4n Pro Feild Recorder. I'm looking for a complete audio solution for my Desktop for daily recording of my RUclips videos and also mixing and mastering them in the post. My Bose speakers connect to my PC through 3.5 mm jack. And they are powered by a wall adapter. I noticed that Rode AI-1 has two 1/4" outputs at the rear. But, they are meant for studio monitors. Is it safe to connect my Bose PC speakers with a splitter cable to the studio monitor outputs at the back of Rode AI-1. I'm bit concerned that what kind of levels are coming out from those 2 1/4" jacks at the back of Rode Interface. Bcz, I don't want to destroy my Bose speakers with the overpowered electric current. So is it safe to connect them with splitter cable? My main goal is to have 1 single box for everything rather than 3 different things. * Is mic preamp of RODE AI-1 better than Zoom H4n Pro & Focusrite 2i2? * Can I SAFELY connect my RODE Smartlav+ Lav Mic to the XLR connector of Rode AI-1 with an adapter? (By the way, it does not need phantom power, my normal smartphone can also power it easily) * Can I SAFELY connect my BOSE's 3.5 mm single audio wire to the TWO rear 1/4" studio monitor outputs of RODE AI-1? I'm not quite sure what current levels my speakers need and what current levels Rode interface outputs from those 2 jacks at the rear. THIS IS MY MOST MAJOR CONCERN. * And please let me that how good is the headphone amp of RODE AI-1, else I will have to shell out extra cash on Audioquest Dragonfly. * Does Audio Interfaces (GENERALLY) have better mic preamps than the field records.? If you can guide me properly, it will be much easier for me to take a decision without burning cash on wrong things. And I would highly appreciate if you can reply in points, just like made points for my questions. I'm hoping you won't get confused with such long query. I'm in trouble choosing what thing to pick for what. Please help me. P.S. You can also suggest me a good interface which has really good preamps and a good dac for speakers and headphones. Probably not too expensive.
* Is mic preamp of RODE AI-1 better than Zoom H4n Pro & Focusrite 2i2? Better than the H4n, yes. Not sure about the Focusrite since I haven't tested it. The AI-1 is good. * Can I SAFELY connect my RODE Smartlav+ Lav Mic to the XLR connector of Rode AI-1 with an adapter? (By the way, it does not need phantom power, my normal smartphone can also power it easily) - you can but will need this specific adapter which also makes sure the lavalier gets the right power: amzn.to/2JFpK04 * Can I SAFELY connect my BOSE's 3.5 mm single audio wire to the TWO rear 1/4" studio monitor outputs of RODE AI-1? I'm not quite sure what current levels my speakers need and what current levels Rode interface outputs from those 2 jacks at the rear. THIS IS MY MOST MAJOR CONCERN. Not necessarily. The output level on the AI-1 is line level. The Bose are designed for use with headphone outputs on computers. You might be able to make it work, but be sure to keep that volume at the lowest. Ideally, you'd look into monitors designed for use with line level inputs. * And please let me that how good is the headphone amp of RODE AI-1, else I will have to shell out extra cash on Audioquest Dragonfly. I haven't tested the headphone amp yet. I don't know if you have audiophile expectations, but I would expect the headphone amp to be sufficient to drive any headphones with 300 ohm rating or less without an issue. * Does Audio Interfaces (GENERALLY) have better mic preamps than the field records.? Not necessarily, but they are usually less expensive for similar quality because they don't have to be engineered to be quite as small and lightweight.
Thank you so much, Sir, for sparing your precious time on such a long query. Means a lot to me... All my queries and doubts got cleared with your reply. Cheers!
Wow Curtis I'm surprised Zoom hasn't paid you yet, you did such a great job! I'm hoping to purchase one sometime next year. As you know, I'm still in the process of buying more gear, I do have a question for you though... Have the features of entering the Meta Data changed, or is it still the same as the F8? I can't wait to see your follow up review.
A question for you (and possibly your brother): I want to use the F8N as a portable mixer for a 3-man band in venues that I know have poor quality sound boards. As such, I want to real-time mix (away from the stage) using the F-Control. A long USB cable and the iOS app are potential options. But I am a little skeptical of noise with a 100' USB cable, and your comments about the fact that the levels changed by 3dB when first touching the iPad screen seems like a showstopper for the app. So, I was wondering if there are options (dongles?) that could wireless connect the f8N and the f-control?
Hi Rick, The USB cable only carries control info, no sound signal so a long cable *might* work. However, I would probably opt instead to get balanced feeds from the stage and run those to your F8 and F-control in your mixing position. If the feeds are not already balanced (e.g., direct instrument feeds), you can use a DI box to covert them to balanced. Does that make sense?
Chris, I was looking for the sound comparison files for the MixPre 3 or 6 vs. the F8 and could not find them in your video list. What is the url for that? Thank you
Hi Ralph, I would bet that they eventually will but they haven't said anything about it yet. The only Zoom recorder I can think of that hasn't been updated to date is the H5. They are pretty progressive so I expect they will update the F4 at some point as well.
A Zoom F4n definitely will *not* be coming out in 2018, maaaaybe not even in 2019? Would you be happy to wait until 2020 for a new recorder? I don't want to wait! So I'm upgrading from my F4 to the F8n as soon as possible.
PLEASE...what are the choices of sample rates for recording and how many channels can be recorded at the various rates. Seems everyone forgets to state this critical spec.
Hi Gordon, these are the sample rate options and limitations per the manual: • When the recording file format is MP3, only 44.1kHz and 48kHz can be selected. • When 192 kHz is selected, L/R tracks will not be recorded. The Input Delay and Output Delay are also disabled. Moreover, Auto Mix, Ambisonic Mode, and Input Limiter > On/Off > On (Advanced) cannot be set. • Audio Interface with Rec cannot be used when values other than 44.1 kHz or 48 kHz are selected.
Hey Curtis great review. I was wondering if you had a 6+ channel xlr 48v phantom recorder that you'd recommend. Currently I'm using a zoom H6 plus my atomos shogun. I see this one only has 4 channels, do you recommend the f8n (considering the f8 is 300 bucks cheaper)?
Hi FilmIn5D, so far the F8n looks really great and yes, I'd recommend it so far over the F8. One note to clarify, the F8n has 8 XLR/TRS inputs plus and additional Zoom interface on the back that can take two more inputs. I have yet to test is fully in my work (I only borrowed the F8n for a few days for this initial look), but I've got one on pre-order which will hopefully arrive in a couple of weeks and I can test it more thoroughly.
Hi Curtis, thanks for the review, am thinking buy one but am curious if you ever heard or did a comparison with the Soundcraft ui24r ? I know that they are different animals but after much research the F8n & the ui24r are my shortlist. I want to do very simple multi tracking of acoustic instruments & vocals and hope this is not too hard to do on the F8n but ultimately I am looking for the best possible sound quality and wondered if you, or anyone here, could advise me. Thanks, mike
Hi Mike, I have not used the SoundCraft but I do use the Allen & Heath SQ-5 digital mixer (not the same type of beast as the UI24r, but closer than the F8n). I think the answer depends on your workflow and where you plan to record. Will you ever be recording on location? That’s where the F8n becomes a much more convenient option. Will you always have the audio recorder connected to a computer with DAW? The F8n will need that for multitracking instruments one at a time (it does not overdub when used as a field recorder). If you want to do this one or two mics at a time without a computer, the new Sound Devices MixPre M series of recorders ate worth a look. Best wishes!
How on earth have you managed to do that review that quickly?! And it's awsome. One thing you did not mention when covering physical changes is that now the proprietary zoom mics connector is aligned horizontaly, so you can now comfortably and acurately (left on the left not facing up and right on the right not facing down) use propietary zoom mic capsules without extension cable. Not a huge deal as the capsule turns off inputs 1/2 and having such a great defice makes it sometimes pointless to use zoom capsules that are mediocrate comparing to many mics, but still it is nice feature.
Thanks Pawel, this is just an initial impressions piece for now. Good point on the mic interface. I haven’t really used those with my F4 or F8 but good to have options like you say.
Hey Curtis, you published that video quite fast ! Very appreciated! Looking forward to your complete review since now that Zoom listened to their customers feedback, it seems they finally have a pro level field mixer/recorder. And now the dreaded question: MixPre 10T or Zoom F8N ? :-) They both seem to have a very similar set of features. So the few remaining questions are comparison of : audio quality, headphones output quality and limiters efficiency. I was going to buy a MP 10T but I hold on my purchase, because frankly, its ergonomics is awkward - the SD card slot is not easily accessible - the hirose pin at an angle is prone to break eventually, hence the need to buy the SD-1 sled adaptor to have one properly positioned on the back of the MixPre. That's 100 bucks more. - the NP-F batteries caddy shape is the worst thing ever so it's a no no. The zoom does not have those issues, seems to have great ergonomics and is lesser than half the price ! I don't mind paying for an expensive good product. Sure it won't be perfect, but when it's awkward it's another story. Especially when there are possibly better and cheaper options. So if the Zoom proves to be on par with the SD, the problem reduces to brand notoriety. Because unfortunately, I find that there are still some production companies who would not allow you to use such a product ONLY because it's not SD, or Zaxcom. What's your experience on this ?
(Sorry, I didn't see your entire comment until now): Thanks ronfya. The answer: Yes, both. :) I like both of them for different reasons. They both have their quirks and some of those quirks will bother some people more than others. So it really depends on the person. I'm super impressed with the direction that Zoom has taken with their F-series recorder/mixers. They're not perfect, but they are incredibly capable for their price. I also really like the F-control for jobs where I'm working from a cart or table. But, then I much prefer the knobs on the MixPre series. And I don't find it a problem that the SD card is behind the battery sled since I only get in there at the end of a shoot (or not even then with the 10T where I just pull out the USB memory stick instead. I also haven't had issues with the Hirose input on the 10T when situated in my bag as the mixer is suspended from hooks (Orca OR-30). But I'm not a fan of the headphone knob on the side of the unit and there's definitely no firmware that can fix that! So in the end, it comes down to the preferences of the person that will be working with the mixer. It sounds like you have a pretty good idea of the things that would bother you and so the F8n may be a better option for you. Best wishes!
Sorry but I am not sure I follow your answer ... maybe it's because it's related to another question I asked about timecode on your other channel. Is it not ? Thanks !
The 10T doesn't just have worse ergonomics, but has less features too, in my eyes the choice is clear: F8n! I'll be buying one asap, once it is available.
That's also my impression. Especially since powering options on the SD MP are a complete joke despite being plenty. Therefore I am waiting for some reviews on the audio quality of the F8n preamps, limiters and headphones because ultimately it's what counts. And if on par with the MP, I will seriously consider going with the F8n too. The only reason to go with the SD MP would be to avoid not being hired because you don't use a SD branded recorder.
Hi! I have a technical question. When using advanced look-ahead limiter the analog gain is reduced by 10dB only for a brief moment when signal exceeds given threshold and afterwards when limiter is released the analog gain returns back to the previous level, or rather that analog gain is reduced by 10dB all the time (when this feature is enabled/engaged) and replaced with digital gain except times when this would exceed threshold and cause clipping?
Hi Pawel, no, my understanding is that the entire time that the limiter is on the analogue gain is reduced by 10dB. Then after the A/D converter, any samples that will not exceed the threshold are increased by 10dB while the samples that would clip are not increased. Hope this makes sense.
@@curtisjudd It makes. I hoped for a different answer nontheless. I guess it would be to good to be true if it was the way I described. And probably technically impossible. I guess it's the digital stage of conversion that is delayed that 1ms in relation to analog stage. There is nothing that the analog stage can be delayed in relation to.
@@curtisjudd thanks so much and this is a great video. Seems that you'd prefer to set a decent enough level, lightly touch the limiter, than the floating bit opportunity of the 6.
@@photowalk.podcast Yes, some people complain that with some 32-bit float recordings, they experience odd artefacting. I don't really need 32-bit float for dialogue, so I just avoid it.
@@curtisjudd Hmmm, I think this has led me to the F8n. In my mind I was being guided toward the F6 thinking... hmmmm, here's a machine that offers a 'get out of jail card' when it comes to sloppy levels, but really for the film recordings, for the podcasting, for the photowalks I do with a guest along, just really the F8n from your wonderful films, looks like this is really the machine that would be best suited. Curtis, your films are certainly a guiding authentic light in the noise of unboxing. Thank you.
Just bought my F8 a couple of months ago. Now I’m really bummed that they’ve come out with this improved version. Do you think that the older F8 is still fairly comparable? Or do I need to look at upgrading to this new F8n?
Hi KodiakCup, the preamplifiers seem to be exactly the same so in terms of audio quality, things are the same. If the F8 is getting the results you want, you're good to go.
Curtis Judd thanks so much for the reply! That’s good to know, so minus a few new features I guess my overall audio quality won’t be affected and thus wouldn’t warrant an upgrade. Love the videos and thank you for all the time you put into making them! They help me out immensely!!
Quite novice when it comes to time code, so my question is about using time code sync between ag-ux180 and the zoom F8n. Will F8n work/sync ok with 50 fps videorecording ?
Hi DSN4fun, Timecode generally only goes up to 30fps but you could use 25fps on both the timecode generator you connect to the camera and the F8n and you'll be accurate to within a couple of frames.
By the way. There is one important feature on Sound Devices MixPre10T that is not included here and it is timecode sent via HDMI. This is important (at least to me) because my camera does not have BNC connectors. Do you think there is a way to work it around? Except for entirely relying on the mixed sound sent to camera via sub out or manually syncing in post (I tried it twice, once with success but still it was major PITA) .
Hi Pawel, you can adapt the BNC and send the timecode to the audio input on most cameras. But you’ll need DaVinci Resolve or some other app to convert the audio to metadata time code. Or just go with the MixPre 10T. 😀
I don't get it... I can send timecode from Zoom F8 via audio output to audio input of camera? So what is the need for BNC connector? Or I can send only the timecode? Unfortunately I won't go to MixPre10T. I will barely be ever able to afford Zoom F8n when they start discounting them :D
Pawel, you can send timecode out from the BNC output to an audio line input on a camera (camera must support lime level input). This records the timecode to the audio track on the camera. Then in post the audio track is converted to metadata using an app. Not the most desirable workflow in many cases, but technically possible. See here which demos this with Tentacle Syne E timecode generators and keep in mind that the F8 would take the place of the Tentacle Sync: ruclips.net/video/o36XYOPp0BE/видео.html
Can this be used as an audio capture for music production with my DAW? I have some smaller audio capture devices but i am look to upgrage so I can do field recording for ambient music.
Yes, definitely. Core audio support for macOS and ASIO drivers for Windows make this a good multitrack audio interface. I’ll need to measure latency in the final review but of course that will differ from one computer to another.
I was also looking at the Zoom F4 but I might hold off to see if they come out with a new F4n? Zoom products are very good when it comes to low latency.
Sure. I'm not sure about the F4n and if/when it will come but I'd be surprised if they do not eventually update it. It was about 18 months between the original F8 and F4 if I recall correctly.
I record my grand piano a lot. I'm using 4 rode NT5 microphones, 2 microphone are very close to the piano, and other 2 about 6 feet away. what dBFS should I set?
1. Which is main difference between F8 and F8n? 1.1. are there Audio quality big differences between F8 and F8n? 2. i have F8, is there meaning to sell F8 and buy F8n? P.S. - i use Sennheiser MKH 416 microphone and Sony UWP-D11 wireless microphone with this recorder.
Hi Mher, 1) Please see the video on the differences - it is covered there. 2) No, the audio quality is identical. 3) Possibly, if the new features on the F8n covered in the video would be helpful to you. Please note that the software issues covered here for the F8n have been added to the original F8 in a firmware update. So the only difference is the hardware features listed in the video, assuming you have updated your F8 to the latest version of the firmware. Best wishes.
Yo the headphone tones thing makes this more usable by the blind. Yeah that whole recording to the PC and the card at once they kinda borrowed from Sound Devices I'd emagin. For they did that first with the Mix Pre recorders.
You're absolutely right. I had aspirations to get paid to produce videos, but last year someone hired me for a project and I absolutely hated it. I'm so much happier working for the love of it. Maybe the right opportunity will come along some day, but in the meantime, I'm very happy for you and your apparent success.
Thanks for the support. I've learned the hard way that it is important to learn when to say no as well. If you hate the work, then definitely time to step back and evaluate. Good work realizing that before you found yourself seemingly trapped in work you don't enjoy.
Ah cool. I don't know but I think I'duse the new limiters too if I had 1. Hard to hear how much better they really are as you didn't really hit them. Just shout closer to the capsels of the mikes if ya can't really shout. Or hold something loud up to the mike. I use my Jango Fet action figure for stuff like that.
I actually did push the limiters pretty hard as I would in a real-world situation. That's what impressed me. They sound surprisingly transparent in this type of real-world situation. Getting right up on the mic and over-gaining and yelling will sound horrible on all limiters and doesn't represent the real world very well. If I end up in that situation, it is because I did a very poor job setting the gain and a poor job of placing the mic. I hope that makes sense?
Ah okay. Meh I'll have to listen again then perhaps. I didn't hear the limiter limiting. I didn't hear the volume get turned down. But to be fair I was listening last night right quick when I got the vid recommended on my Enspiron 3847's kinda crappy built in Realtek audio so we'll see on Bose.
Yes, nearly twice the price, but there are some things you get or can add to a 10T that the F8n doesn't have: Android remote control app, music plugin for multitrack music recording with overdub and punch in capabilities, and a few other smaller things as well. Depends on how you work and what you work on.
Curtis Judd Could have used auto mix for the mix pre the other day for a panel discussion - 4 panelists, a moderator and a catchbox for audience. Jockeying those little trim dials was brutal!
Thanks for the reply. I've got the F4 and two connects confused me. I'm glad the F-Control can be powered by the F8n. Seems like it might be a nice upgrade.
ZoomF8n its very impressive. Compare with sound devices Mixpre Series and 633 Series , the sound devices is more threshold and bass on vocal eps on analog limitter. but for the price point Zoom is really good. For me I'll gonna choose Zoomf8n go with Cloudlifter CL-1 and FETHEAD is enough .
Hi Jose, that's really up to you. My goal is to outline the additional features so you can make a decision on that. I hope this helps a little and best wishes!
I'll be getting the F8n as soon as it is available, as an upgrade from my F4. But if you're not making money with your recorder, and the F8n being double the price, then the F4 is still a very fine choice!
No, not in my opinion. The F8 and F8n's hybrid limiters raise the noise floor by 10dB while the MixPre has hardware limiters which do not raise the noise floor.
They should have went down Sound Devices design route and have half the inputs full size combo's and the other half TA3 style - having TC on the bottom of the unit is still a poor design choice ~ Overall though it looks like a good step up from the original.
Sound Speed! I see that you are quite a fan of the F series and down on the MixPre. Have you used the MixPre yet? I find that the headphone encoder on the side is frustrating but the channel knobs are better than the F8. So if I’m actually making fader adjustments while recording, I prefer the MixPre series (unless I’m using the F-Control which is a nice option for cart/desk jobs).
Haven't owned a MixPre recorder, but I've seen it a TradeShow and in the store. And I own a Sound Devices 552 (used in front of Tascam DR680 when I needed the extra channels recorded beyond the two of the 552), was my daily driver before I got a Zoom F4. (I own three more pieces of Sound Devices gear as well) The Sound Devices 552 has even bigger knobs than the MixPre recorders have, and I know back then I might occasionally try to do adjustments during the take, but practically speaking I found that I just shouldn't do it because: a) you're doing it "blind" by feel (you're running a risk you'll grab the wrong knob or change it too much, or even not enough so why bother) & b) you're running a high risk of severely compromising your booming as you're diverting your attention and only doing it with one hand. Thus overall, adjusting gain during a take is something I believe should only rarely or even never be done. (the other option here is you're not booming at all, either because you're operating from a cart, or even perhaps you are booming but not for that take because it is a wide. And yes then you can adjust during a take, but because you've got your full attention and both hands then a few millimeters of size either way doesn't make a big difference. Or so she tells me...) Which is why in the end I'm not as negative about the size of the knobs on my Zoom F4 as some other people are. Although yes, annoyingly the Zoom F8 has even smaller knobs. But I have used the F8 for a week once when I rented it for a VR shoot, and I found the knob size to still be acceptable, but cutting it fine, if it was say to lose another third of its size then I'd probably draw the line and say this is getting ridiculous! Headphones level however is something I might sometimes grab at during a take, for my own safety! Either that or knock the headphone cup on my head aside if it has got too loud. Although thankfully this kind of thing is rare. But the MixPre recorders also use theirs to navigate the menu, and that is something you need to frequently access during the day. So it is a pity they hide it away. The way I see it briefly, coming from a location sound recordist's perspective is: MixPre3, unacceptably few inputs with only max 3 channels recorded. MixPre6, if you're running TC you're down to only four channels, which is one more... but basically barely acceptable, if that. MixPre10T, finally we get to a recorder which is appealing! But its price is now creeping up nearer to the 633/Maxx prices, so you have to stop and ask yourself why settle for a "prosumer" recorder when a professional one is now within reach? Plus the MixPre10T still has a random mixed bag of limitations, such as no pre-roll capabilities, and lacks the cool features of the F8n such as a F control panel accessory or AutoMix. So at each point along the MixPre series I find it tough to find them a compelling option as my main/only recorder. However, I am only talking about them from the perspective of someone who specializes in location sound recording, and how they make sense as your main/only recorder. If you have different needs then perhaps a stronger case can be made for the MixPre series. Maybe you're a location sound recordist who already owns a 688, then the MixPre6 might be a perfect fit for you as a back up / travel / small job recorder. As you always have the 688 at hand for when more than four channels are needed, or more features are needed. Or maybe you regularly need more than 8 channels (!!!) so the F8 won't cut it and you *must* have ten channels, then sure the MixPr10T could be right for you (although, the MixPre10T like the F8 only has 8x XLR inputs). Or maybe you're a solo shooter who has to run sound as well, and you are 100% *SURE* you'll never ever need more than 3 channels of audio, and extremely portable size is very important to you then the MixPre3 might just be the ticket for you as the MixPre3 is super teeny tiny!
Something I didn't touch on is price, as it was fairly irrelevant to my points above (except how the MixPre10T creeps up near in price to what a 633 costs), but worthwhile considering if price matters to the buyer: MixPre3: more expensive than a Zoom F4 (but the MixPre3 records half as many inputs, and has less features). MixPre3 + TC: more expensive than a Zoom F8 MixPre6: more expensive than a Zoom F8 MixPre6 + TC: more expensive than the new Zoom F8n MixPre10T: more expensive than the new Zoom F8n + Zoom FRC-8 + iPad Mini!!
I'm a fan. I always like your videos on audio and I've learned a lot. But I think your framing on this "interview" is off. You need some talk space to camera right of your daughter and bit more to camera left on you when you do the interview. Just my friendly 2c :)
Curtis Judd looking forward to you testing this model more thoroughly. And most importantly, would it be a good or better choice than an SD MixPre line at the same price range
Thanks Raya, that's a tough one - choosing one or the other. If budget is one of the primary factors, I think the Zoom is the better choice - more preamps for the money and the preamps are very similar between the MixPre and F series. I like that the Zoom has a hirose input for external batteries, but it is nice that the MixPre-3 and 6 can be powered with a USB-C battery bank. The MixPre has analogue limiters which are usually superior to digital limiters, but now the Zoom F8 and F8n have advanced hybrid digital limiters which work surprisingly well for digital limiters. The Zoom F series has an iOS (only) app for wireless control, but the MixPre has iOS and Android apps to do most of the same things (not all, no faders, for example). The Zoom's main menu knob/encoder is better positioned for ergonomic use than the MixPre's share headphone/menu knob on the side of the MixPres. The F8/F8n has a proper timecode generator whereas the MixPre 3 and 6 have an input for external generators or they can take HDMI timecode from a camera. So you can see it is all a toss-up and depends on which features are more important to you and what types of jobs you'll be doing. You can make great sound with either the Zoom F series or the Sound Devices MixPre.
Curtis Judd wow thank you for your insight! For me, a Sound Device field mixer/pre amp is like holy grail, but seeing others, Zoom, namely, coming up with increasingly interesting offering with good price/value, it's getting harder to choose. This answer really helps.
OK. Here's what I heard - "I've had this for 48 hours..." And now there's a video. And it looks good. And it's quite complete. And there's an interview. My Takeaway - I need to come hang out with you for a week so you can show me how the hell you do that! :) Great coverage! And good luck to what I assume is your daughter!
I don't think he sleeps.
Get your tail over here. I could use some help! 😉
Some days, not nearly enough. 🤪
Wait. Help? You're supposed to teach me! Haha!
+Gene Not true. I heard a rumor that he slept 4 hours last week. :)
Zoom was really listening here. I saw people on the forum talking about recording straight to the cards when in interface mode. I never would've guessed they'd even attempt to do automix of any kind though. Damn zoom, great job. Can't wait to get one.
👍 I agree on the AutoMix. Did NOT expect that!
I think they may have been pissed about SD going after the pro-sumer market with the mix pre release. Shots have been fired. Haha. The win goes to us though.
Have you ever been loud and angry? looking at your videos is impossible to imagine, just a man of peace! awesome you
A few times, but not often.
It's always a pleasure when you upload a video! 🙂
It is always a pleasure to upload new videos!
Curtis Judd yup !
me too!!
Can't wait for mine to arrive
👍 Same here. I assume you’ve had a chance to play with it already since you’re on their website 🙂
Yea. I got to play with it back in January when it was still very early in design. And I played with with it a month ago. We put it through its paces and used the new S-Mic 2 on the new Zoom F8n interview videos.
Awesome! Can't wait for the new mics to arrive!
Amazing review Curtis, I was on the Edge now but I am definitely getting one in July, the auto mix, Mic level /line level "pro level" examples really helped answer the questions I had. Plus, breaking down the work around situations us F8 users run into was solid! Keep up the good work and looking forward to the final review.
Thanks Sean!
Ditto. Your reviews are always timely and well informed. Like others, I always pay attention to what you have to say.
Thanks!
Thanks Keith!
The subtle sense of humor in your videos is remarkable! keep going :-)
Thanks Daniel. 😀
Hi Curtis. Great vid 👍
I have the original F8 and its portable mixer ... I actually managed to use this version on loan from a friend. I didn't use it onset but I did note the improved headphone amp. I like the new look interface too. Sound wise I didn't notice any real difference when running into my studio mixer & monitors. Otherwise I like it, just not enough to re-invest just yet.
Thanks for the impressions, Chris. I believe that the preamps and A/D converter are the same - at least Zoom is not claiming any upgrade in their marketing materials. This update seems very focused on the updated limiter, AutoMix, etc.
Thanks so much for this review! I look forward to the full review; (this “brief” review is far more detailed than a most on youtube; thanks for being the best!)
Thanks Photographic elements! Now I'm worried that I won't have a lot more to add in the final review! 😉
As per usual, an excellent and informative video. And this was just "Initial Impressions"? Probably more thorough than most full reviews i see on YT!
Thanks Tim!
Excellent overview as always, Curtis. Looks great like feature-wise. Our options just keep getting better and better.
I did notice something in the sound, though. During the solo parts and voice-over parts, there is a "wolly-ness" in the audio that was distracting. I didn't hear it on the section with you and your daughter. If I were to guess, it sounded like something was being over-driven, but not full-on digital clipping. FWIW, I hear it on both my AKG K240 and Sony MDR7506 headphones.
Thanks Barry. I'll have another listen.
48 hours and you produce such a high quality review! BobUK
Thanks Bob, more of an initial impressions than a review, but things are looking good so far.
Once again, thank you for getting this info out so soon, Curtis.
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I'd be interested to see if any of the more software-based features will ever make their way to the original Zoom F4/F8 through a future firmware update.
Great questions. Not sure whether the older hardware has the horsepower to support the new features but will be interesting to see!
Me too.
Thank you for a great video again. Impressive product for that price.
I decided for a F4 when it came out because of the missing camera return in the F8.
I think the F8n now has camera return as well. You may want to address this in your full review, I guess. Only little downside is that they went away from the battery case. I love it. Out in the field -and it‘s a field recorder after all- I do not want to fiddle around with single batteries. I change the empty caddy with my second caddy containing the spare batteries. That‘s perfect for my current needs.
Unluckily, I would have to rethink my power strategy if I upgraded.
However, great review, thank you very much.
Hi cloudyO5, thanks! Yes, I can see how the lack of caddy could be an issue when relying on AA batteries for your power source. There isn't a new physical input for camera return on the F8n so I'll have to look more into that. Might still be an issue or require use of one of the main inputs as a return. With the ability to switch between mic/line and IF you have an open input, that might be a workable solution (though not ideal).
Thanks for the quick turnaround on the vid! I'm convinced I'm going to wait for this to be available and will avoid the on sale F8. I can't afford a 664 at this point in my career but this seems to be a great step towards that pro quality gear in the meantime. Thanks again!
Thanks David! Happy recording!
Thanks for this Curtis, always ahead with reviews and always on point, telling us about the features we want to know :)
Thanks Mattia!
This looks promising. Looking forward to the follow up video. Thanks for sharing
Thanks, looking forward to making the review!
Great first look, thank you! When you do your detailed review, I would love a deeper look at the audio interface feature and how Zoom's implementation compares to the Mix Pre's implementation.
Hi Gen, will do. Out of curiosity, what are you planning to do with the F8n as an audio interface? Multitrack music recording? Podcast recording? Driving monitors and headphones?
To be honest, I am still on the fence between the Mix Pre 6 and this new 8n. Being able to get rid of my audio interface is a big feature for me. So is having enough gain to cleanly drive an RE-20 or an SM7b. My use case would be for podcast recording including with remote guests, driving monitors and headphones.
Ok, totally makes sense. I can say a few things about using them as audio interfaces right away: The F8n has balanced outputs. This is great for driving powered monitors. On the MixPre-3 & 6 there is only an unbalanced 3.5mm output so you also have to buy a stereo DI box to convert to balanced to prevent buzz or hum (at least with my monitors which can also take an unbalanced input, and even with relatively short cables in the 6' range, the monitors picked up a bunch of hum this way.) The MixPre's headphone amplifier sounds better to my ear. The F8n takes a little more menu diving to put it into interface mode than the MixPre. That's not a huge deal, just takes a second or two longer but can be a bit annoying to those used to working with a purpose built audio interface that is ready to go once powered up. The MixPre was good in terms of latency in my measurements. I expect the same from the F8n but we'll test that to be certain in the final review.
Thank you again for your thoughts and looking forward to your detailed review/comparison.
Great review, can't wait for the in depth one.
Thanks!
This is exactly the information I 'm looking for. Thank you so much for your review.
Thanks Conrad.
Amazing professional review as always!
Thanks Aaron!
Zoom has now released V5 firmware update for Zoom f8😀,which has almost all the features of zoom F8n.
www.zoom.co.jp/news/F8_update
Hi Dinesh, yes! Just getting ready to talk about this on my Sound for Video Session live over on my other channel. Thanks!
Very impressed thanks for the info!
Curtis you do such a great and honest review of products which is extremely appreciated.
Cheers, Pete
Thanks Pete!
Hi Curtis. Compliments for your great reviews. I use a Sounddevice 552 together with an Sony FS-7 camera. My soundman records the sound with the Sony FS-7. Is there a possibility to hear the return sound, the sound that reaches the FS-7, with the earphones connected to the Zoom F8n?
Hi, the F8 and F8n do NOT have a dedicated camera return, but if you have a spare microphone input, you could use that to take audio back from the camera for monitoring.
Great video as always, Curtis. Looks like the new F8n has some worthwhile improvements. I'm not a soundie per se but have considered buying a decent recorder such as this as it looks really good although I'm not too struck on the small dials (and wouldn't need 8 inputs) which is why the Sound Devices (with their analogue limiters) look slightly more appealing albeit all of them have their own pros and cons. I wonder if an F4n is in the offing.... 😉
Thanks. I imagine that there’ll eventually be an F4n. I vote for a better screen. :)
Yeah, the screen on the F4 is pretty unappealing. Looks like Zoom Fx and Sound Devices MixPre-x are all really good although it's weird how the Zoom (a pro-sumer manufacturer) gives balanced outputs yet Sound Devices only does for the 10. Perhaps it's all about the intended markets, i.e. Zoom trying to woo people with "pro" features and SD seeing the 3 & 6 models as being used by pro-sumers....
Exactly: The two companies are coming from different markets and targeting different markets. I believe the MixPre is Sound Devices' first mass produced product that is not manufactured in their US factory and they're looking to bring their high quality recorders to the enthusiast and semi-pro market. Zoom is coming from decades of mass produced consumer electronics and trying to win over some pros and semi-pros.
As a pro gear company, Sound Devices does really well supporting their historically small, niche customer base with stellar support. They don't usually compete on price. It isn't in their DNA. Perhaps that will change with the MixPre line but I wouldn't expect to see that change.
Zoom, as a consumer electronics company, is very comfortable competing on price. I don't know exactly what their support organization looks like, but I suspect that is where they're going to have trouble winning over pros. That's an area where Sound Devices is very strong in pro world. It'll be very interesting to see how this plays out.
In the meantime, we've got some really stellar products to choose from!
Hi Judd.Thank you very much for the video.What more do you prefer Zoom F8n,Or Sound Devices MixPre 10T & New Firmware.Thanks for the answer.
Hi, I prefer both for different types of jobs. From my point of view, it depends on the types of shoots you do and all of the requirements around that - e.g., do you need timecode, do you need to send line out for camera hops, do you need to enter metadata, do you prefer to do that via keyboard or app? For app, are you on iOS or Android? There are a lot of factors to consider.
They are both very good recorders and a skilled person can make great recordings with both. But depending on the way the person works and the types of things they're recording, one may be better suited to the job than the other.
Thank you Judd for answer.
Wow. Great test and that kid knows her instruments!
Thanks GFFmatt!
So when did you start using the 8050? That is my mic of choice for interiors.
Hi Allen, started working with the 8050 last fall. Works pretty well with my voice. Not exactly neutral, but I find it flattering for most people’s voices.
Thank you for sharing these videos. Do you know if there is a way to record and use the real time clock when you playback instead of the audio's duration?
Hi Holli, are you referring to the in-built timecode generator? Even when you are not sending timecode out of the f8n, it is still running internally and each file is timestamped with the timecode clock's time in metadata at the start of the recording.
Curtis Judd Audio, Thanks! I just played it back with a playback software and was able to view the recording time. Perfect!
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I would love if you could do a video comparing Zoom F8n and the Mixpre 10
It was before the 10T but there is this: ruclips.net/video/NadEMwaCNEY/видео.html
Haha, they added simultaneous USB audio streaming and SD recording, to catch up with the MixPre series. Good on them. Now Sound Devices can't say they have the only units on the market with that feature.
An intelligent feature like auto mixing seems like a logical next step for all devices in the prosumer range. The defining feature on all new technology soon is going to be how helpful it is to the user, not just how well it functions.
It's good to know the advanced hybrid limiter works well (within the bounds of its capabilities) and the final price of the unit makes it very competitive with both the MixPre-6 and the MixPre-10T. I'm actually kind of surprised they brought the price down that much. Seems like it could have done just fine against the $1800 MixPre-10T at $1200.
As usual, your "initial review" is more in-depth and helpful than most reviewers' complete reviews.
Agreed. Automix is very helpful, indeed. Especially for the solo shooter.
No exchangeable battery tray? Big step backwards! I probably wouldn't upgrade anyway, but now I know I won't. Some of the other changes sound like they could easily be implemented in a firmware upgrade for the original F8. Would be really nice if that happened! Thanks for the overview!
Thanks for the feedback Lau. Good that you already have an F8. I'm not sure that the electronics have the power necessary to add the additional firmware features, but perhaps they do.
Great review! I’ve had my eye on the mix-pre 6 for a while now but this new F8n looks really promising. With all these new features, do you think it tops the mix pre 6? Only problem I have with the Zoom F series is how small the knobs are :(
Hey Chris, thanks! I guess it depends on the type of work you're doing. I have a comparison of the original F8 and MixPre-6 if that is of use: ruclips.net/video/NadEMwaCNEY/видео.html
You can get 3D printed knobs for the F8, which makes it bigger.
Hey Curtis, could you make a video explaining how to sync, Jam, and generate TC with the MixPre 10t. I've looked everywhere for a video showing how and cant find one. Thanks
Hi Pure Luxury Films. Yes, can do. It'll be on my other channel - Curtis Judd Audio.
Out of curiosity, on which part of the process do you need help? Which type of timecode are you using - Free run? Which cameras are you using? Which timecode generator(s) are you using?
Curtis Judd I'm using the ursa mini 4.6k and I was filming last night a car scene from outside the car with lavs connected to the mixpre but I didnt have a mic connected to the ursa so syncing is going to be fun, the remembered I could sync TC from the ursa and the 10T but idk which or how to best do this
Ok, that helps, thanks! Do you have an external timecode generator to connect to the Ursa Mini or are you planning to keep the Ursa Mini and MixPre tethered to each other during the shoot?
Curtis Judd I was looking into getting a Tentacle Sync, but for now I'll have to keep them tethered.
Ok, thanks!
The ability to use that simultaneously as an interface is pretty exciting - I'd like to try that out. I think everything on my short list just got bumped down one...
Agreed, nice addition.
I have few questions regarding a new audio interface (Rode AI-1). And I really need your expert advice on this matter. Please stay with me, I have a lot of questions.
Things I have:
* Audio Technica M50x Monitor Headphones
* Bose Companion 2 (Series: 3) PC Speakers
* Rode Smartlav+ Lav Mic.
Things I'm interested in buying:
* Rode AI-1 Audio Interface.
* Rode NTG4 Shotgun Mic.
* Audioquest Dragonfly Black USB DAC.
* Zoom H4n Pro Feild Recorder.
I'm looking for a complete audio solution for my Desktop for daily recording of my RUclips videos and also mixing and mastering them in the post.
My Bose speakers connect to my PC through 3.5 mm jack. And they are powered by a wall adapter. I noticed that Rode AI-1 has two 1/4" outputs at the rear. But, they are meant for studio monitors. Is it safe to connect my Bose PC speakers with a splitter cable to the studio monitor outputs at the back of Rode AI-1. I'm bit concerned that what kind of levels are coming out from those 2 1/4" jacks at the back of Rode Interface. Bcz, I don't want to destroy my Bose speakers with the overpowered electric current. So is it safe to connect them with splitter cable?
My main goal is to have 1 single box for everything rather than 3 different things.
* Is mic preamp of RODE AI-1 better than Zoom H4n Pro & Focusrite 2i2?
* Can I SAFELY connect my RODE Smartlav+ Lav Mic to the XLR connector of Rode AI-1 with an adapter? (By the way, it does not need phantom power, my normal smartphone can also power it easily)
* Can I SAFELY connect my BOSE's 3.5 mm single audio wire to the TWO rear 1/4" studio monitor outputs of RODE AI-1? I'm not quite sure what current levels my speakers need and what current levels Rode interface outputs from those 2 jacks at the rear. THIS IS MY MOST MAJOR CONCERN.
* And please let me that how good is the headphone amp of RODE AI-1, else I will have to shell out extra cash on Audioquest Dragonfly.
* Does Audio Interfaces (GENERALLY) have better mic preamps than the field records.?
If you can guide me properly, it will be much easier for me to take a decision without burning cash on wrong things.
And I would highly appreciate if you can reply in points, just like made points for my questions.
I'm hoping you won't get confused with such long query.
I'm in trouble choosing what thing to pick for what. Please help me.
P.S. You can also suggest me a good interface which has really good preamps and a good dac for speakers and headphones. Probably not too expensive.
* Is mic preamp of RODE AI-1 better than Zoom H4n Pro & Focusrite 2i2? Better than the H4n, yes. Not sure about the Focusrite since I haven't tested it. The AI-1 is good.
* Can I SAFELY connect my RODE Smartlav+ Lav Mic to the XLR connector of Rode AI-1 with an adapter? (By the way, it does not need phantom power, my normal smartphone can also power it easily) - you can but will need this specific adapter which also makes sure the lavalier gets the right power: amzn.to/2JFpK04
* Can I SAFELY connect my BOSE's 3.5 mm single audio wire to the TWO rear 1/4" studio monitor outputs of RODE AI-1? I'm not quite sure what current levels my speakers need and what current levels Rode interface outputs from those 2 jacks at the rear. THIS IS MY MOST MAJOR CONCERN. Not necessarily. The output level on the AI-1 is line level. The Bose are designed for use with headphone outputs on computers. You might be able to make it work, but be sure to keep that volume at the lowest. Ideally, you'd look into monitors designed for use with line level inputs.
* And please let me that how good is the headphone amp of RODE AI-1, else I will have to shell out extra cash on Audioquest Dragonfly. I haven't tested the headphone amp yet. I don't know if you have audiophile expectations, but I would expect the headphone amp to be sufficient to drive any headphones with 300 ohm rating or less without an issue.
* Does Audio Interfaces (GENERALLY) have better mic preamps than the field records.? Not necessarily, but they are usually less expensive for similar quality because they don't have to be engineered to be quite as small and lightweight.
Thank you so much, Sir, for sparing your precious time on such a long query. Means a lot to me...
All my queries and doubts got cleared with your reply.
Cheers!
Wow Curtis I'm surprised Zoom hasn't paid you yet, you did such a great job! I'm hoping to purchase one sometime next year. As you know, I'm still in the process of buying more gear, I do have a question for you though... Have the features of entering the Meta Data changed, or is it still the same as the F8? I can't wait to see your follow up review.
Hi Alejandro, I believe metadata entry is the same. Thanks!
A question for you (and possibly your brother): I want to use the F8N as a portable mixer for a 3-man band in venues that I know have poor quality sound boards. As such, I want to real-time mix (away from the stage) using the F-Control. A long USB cable and the iOS app are potential options. But I am a little skeptical of noise with a 100' USB cable, and your comments about the fact that the levels changed by 3dB when first touching the iPad screen seems like a showstopper for the app. So, I was wondering if there are options (dongles?) that could wireless connect the f8N and the f-control?
Hi Rick, The USB cable only carries control info, no sound signal so a long cable *might* work. However, I would probably opt instead to get balanced feeds from the stage and run those to your F8 and F-control in your mixing position. If the feeds are not already balanced (e.g., direct instrument feeds), you can use a DI box to covert them to balanced. Does that make sense?
Chris, I was looking for the sound comparison files for the MixPre 3 or 6 vs. the F8 and could not find them in your video list. What is the url for that? Thank you
Hi Frederick, you will find that at ruclips.net/video/NadEMwaCNEY/видео.html
Does Zoom have plans to update the F4? My fingers are too big for the F8.
Thanks,
Ralph Gould
Hi Ralph, I would bet that they eventually will but they haven't said anything about it yet. The only Zoom recorder I can think of that hasn't been updated to date is the H5. They are pretty progressive so I expect they will update the F4 at some point as well.
A Zoom F4n definitely will *not* be coming out in 2018, maaaaybe not even in 2019? Would you be happy to wait until 2020 for a new recorder?
I don't want to wait! So I'm upgrading from my F4 to the F8n as soon as possible.
PLEASE...what are the choices of sample rates for recording and how many channels can be recorded at the various rates. Seems everyone forgets to state this critical spec.
Hi Gordon, these are the sample rate options and limitations per the manual:
• When the recording file format is MP3, only 44.1kHz and 48kHz can be selected.
• When 192 kHz is selected, L/R tracks will not be recorded. The Input Delay and Output Delay are also disabled. Moreover, Auto Mix, Ambisonic Mode, and Input Limiter > On/Off > On (Advanced) cannot be set.
• Audio Interface with Rec cannot be used when values other than 44.1 kHz or 48 kHz are selected.
there's a Livetrak review that is missing... would love to see that from you
Its on my list!
Hey Curtis great review. I was wondering if you had a 6+ channel xlr 48v phantom recorder that you'd recommend. Currently I'm using a zoom H6 plus my atomos shogun. I see this one only has 4 channels, do you recommend the f8n (considering the f8 is 300 bucks cheaper)?
Hi FilmIn5D, so far the F8n looks really great and yes, I'd recommend it so far over the F8. One note to clarify, the F8n has 8 XLR/TRS inputs plus and additional Zoom interface on the back that can take two more inputs. I have yet to test is fully in my work (I only borrowed the F8n for a few days for this initial look), but I've got one on pre-order which will hopefully arrive in a couple of weeks and I can test it more thoroughly.
Okay thanks I think with the automix feature it will be perfect for what I need, I'll use your link thanks
Hi Curtis, thanks for the review, am thinking buy one but am curious if you ever heard or did a comparison with the Soundcraft ui24r ? I know that they are different animals but after much research the F8n & the ui24r are my shortlist. I want to do very simple multi tracking of acoustic instruments & vocals and hope this is not too hard to do on the F8n but ultimately I am looking for the best possible sound quality and wondered if you, or anyone here, could advise me. Thanks, mike
Hi Mike, I have not used the SoundCraft but I do use the Allen & Heath SQ-5 digital mixer (not the same type of beast as the UI24r, but closer than the F8n). I think the answer depends on your workflow and where you plan to record. Will you ever be recording on location? That’s where the F8n becomes a much more convenient option. Will you always have the audio recorder connected to a computer with DAW? The F8n will need that for multitracking instruments one at a time (it does not overdub when used as a field recorder). If you want to do this one or two mics at a time without a computer, the new Sound Devices MixPre M series of recorders ate worth a look. Best wishes!
How on earth have you managed to do that review that quickly?! And it's awsome. One thing you did not mention when covering physical changes is that now the proprietary zoom mics connector is aligned horizontaly, so you can now comfortably and acurately (left on the left not facing up and right on the right not facing down) use propietary zoom mic capsules without extension cable. Not a huge deal as the capsule turns off inputs 1/2 and having such a great defice makes it sometimes pointless to use zoom capsules that are mediocrate comparing to many mics, but still it is nice feature.
Thanks Pawel, this is just an initial impressions piece for now. Good point on the mic interface. I haven’t really used those with my F4 or F8 but good to have options like you say.
Hey Curtis, you published that video quite fast ! Very appreciated!
Looking forward to your complete review since now that Zoom listened to their customers feedback, it seems they finally have a pro level field mixer/recorder.
And now the dreaded question: MixPre 10T or Zoom F8N ? :-)
They both seem to have a very similar set of features.
So the few remaining questions are comparison of : audio quality, headphones output quality and limiters efficiency.
I was going to buy a MP 10T but I hold on my purchase, because frankly, its ergonomics is awkward
- the SD card slot is not easily accessible
- the hirose pin at an angle is prone to break eventually, hence the need to buy the SD-1 sled adaptor to have one properly positioned on the back of the MixPre. That's 100 bucks more.
- the NP-F batteries caddy shape is the worst thing ever so it's a no no.
The zoom does not have those issues, seems to have great ergonomics and is lesser than half the price !
I don't mind paying for an expensive good product. Sure it won't be perfect, but when it's awkward it's another story. Especially when there are possibly better and cheaper options.
So if the Zoom proves to be on par with the SD, the problem reduces to brand notoriety. Because unfortunately, I find that there are still some production companies who would not allow you to use such a product ONLY because it's not SD, or Zaxcom. What's your experience on this ?
(Sorry, I didn't see your entire comment until now): Thanks ronfya. The answer: Yes, both. :) I like both of them for different reasons. They both have their quirks and some of those quirks will bother some people more than others. So it really depends on the person. I'm super impressed with the direction that Zoom has taken with their F-series recorder/mixers. They're not perfect, but they are incredibly capable for their price. I also really like the F-control for jobs where I'm working from a cart or table. But, then I much prefer the knobs on the MixPre series. And I don't find it a problem that the SD card is behind the battery sled since I only get in there at the end of a shoot (or not even then with the 10T where I just pull out the USB memory stick instead. I also haven't had issues with the Hirose input on the 10T when situated in my bag as the mixer is suspended from hooks (Orca OR-30). But I'm not a fan of the headphone knob on the side of the unit and there's definitely no firmware that can fix that!
So in the end, it comes down to the preferences of the person that will be working with the mixer. It sounds like you have a pretty good idea of the things that would bother you and so the F8n may be a better option for you. Best wishes!
Sorry but I am not sure I follow your answer ... maybe it's because it's related to another question I asked about timecode on your other channel. Is it not ? Thanks !
Makes sense ! Thanks for your insight. I am looking forward to your full review first ;-) Cheers
The 10T doesn't just have worse ergonomics, but has less features too, in my eyes the choice is clear: F8n! I'll be buying one asap, once it is available.
That's also my impression. Especially since powering options on the SD MP are a complete joke despite being plenty. Therefore I am waiting for some reviews on the audio quality of the F8n preamps, limiters and headphones because ultimately it's what counts. And if on par with the MP, I will seriously consider going with the F8n too. The only reason to go with the SD MP would be to avoid not being hired because you don't use a SD branded recorder.
Hi! I have a technical question. When using advanced look-ahead limiter the
analog gain is reduced by 10dB only for a brief moment when signal
exceeds given threshold and afterwards when limiter is released the
analog gain returns back to the previous level, or rather that analog
gain is reduced by 10dB all the time (when this feature is enabled/engaged) and replaced with digital gain except
times when this would exceed threshold and cause clipping?
Hi Pawel, no, my understanding is that the entire time that the limiter is on the analogue gain is reduced by 10dB. Then after the A/D converter, any samples that will not exceed the threshold are increased by 10dB while the samples that would clip are not increased. Hope this makes sense.
@@curtisjudd It makes. I hoped for a different answer nontheless. I guess it would be to good to be true if it was the way I described. And probably technically impossible. I guess it's the digital stage of conversion that is delayed that 1ms in relation to analog stage. There is nothing that the analog stage can be delayed in relation to.
Hi Curtis, would you say working with the F8n with limiter in an auto mix set up (2 talking head input) is better than the F6 in float? Kindest, Neale
I don't know whether it is better, but I prefer to work in 24-bit mode when recording dialogue audio.
@@curtisjudd thanks so much and this is a great video. Seems that you'd prefer to set a decent enough level, lightly touch the limiter, than the floating bit opportunity of the 6.
@@photowalk.podcast Yes, some people complain that with some 32-bit float recordings, they experience odd artefacting. I don't really need 32-bit float for dialogue, so I just avoid it.
@@curtisjudd Hmmm, I think this has led me to the F8n. In my mind I was being guided toward the F6 thinking... hmmmm, here's a machine that offers a 'get out of jail card' when it comes to sloppy levels, but really for the film recordings, for the podcasting, for the photowalks I do with a guest along, just really the F8n from your wonderful films, looks like this is really the machine that would be best suited. Curtis, your films are certainly a guiding authentic light in the noise of unboxing. Thank you.
@@photowalk.podcast Thanks Neale. Very best wishes and happy recording to you!
Just bought my F8 a couple of months ago. Now I’m really bummed that they’ve come out with this improved version.
Do you think that the older F8 is still fairly comparable? Or do I need to look at upgrading to this new F8n?
Hi KodiakCup, the preamplifiers seem to be exactly the same so in terms of audio quality, things are the same. If the F8 is getting the results you want, you're good to go.
Curtis Judd thanks so much for the reply! That’s good to know, so minus a few new features I guess my overall audio quality won’t be affected and thus wouldn’t warrant an upgrade.
Love the videos and thank you for all the time you put into making them! They help me out immensely!!
Quite novice when it comes to time code, so my question is about using time code sync between ag-ux180 and the zoom F8n. Will F8n work/sync ok with 50 fps videorecording ?
Hi DSN4fun, Timecode generally only goes up to 30fps but you could use 25fps on both the timecode generator you connect to the camera and the F8n and you'll be accurate to within a couple of frames.
Thank you for your information. Always something new to learn :-)
Does it have the ability to output the 48v phantom power when Line input is selected using XLR? Such as the Sound Devices units are able to do
A look at the manual suggests that it does not (I don't currently have access to my F8 or F8n but will check next time I do).
Very helpful review, thanks
You’re welcome!
I am so torn whether to get it for the automix difference hehehehe
But as always.... you sir nailed a another very very very great video. Cheers!
Thanks Mikhail!
Great video and a nice product too. Cheers
Thanks UKAirscape!
By the way. There is one important feature on Sound Devices MixPre10T that is not included here and it is timecode sent via HDMI. This is important (at least to me) because my camera does not have BNC connectors. Do you think there is a way to work it around? Except for entirely relying on the mixed sound sent to camera via sub out or manually syncing in post (I tried it twice, once with success but still it was major PITA) .
Hi Pawel, you can adapt the BNC and send the timecode to the audio input on most cameras. But you’ll need DaVinci Resolve or some other app to convert the audio to metadata time code. Or just go with the MixPre 10T. 😀
I don't get it... I can send timecode from Zoom F8 via audio output to audio input of camera? So what is the need for BNC connector? Or I can send only the timecode? Unfortunately I won't go to MixPre10T. I will barely be ever able to afford Zoom F8n when they start discounting them :D
Pawel, you can send timecode out from the BNC output to an audio line input on a camera (camera must support lime level input). This records the timecode to the audio track on the camera. Then in post the audio track is converted to metadata using an app. Not the most desirable workflow in many cases, but technically possible. See here which demos this with Tentacle Syne E timecode generators and keep in mind that the F8 would take the place of the Tentacle Sync: ruclips.net/video/o36XYOPp0BE/видео.html
Can this be used as an audio capture for music production with my DAW? I have some smaller audio capture devices but i am look to upgrage so I can do field recording for ambient music.
Yes, definitely. Core audio support for macOS and ASIO drivers for Windows make this a good multitrack audio interface. I’ll need to measure latency in the final review but of course that will differ from one computer to another.
I was also looking at the Zoom F4 but I might hold off to see if they come out with a new F4n? Zoom products are very good when it comes to low latency.
Sure. I'm not sure about the F4n and if/when it will come but I'd be surprised if they do not eventually update it. It was about 18 months between the original F8 and F4 if I recall correctly.
Really helpful - thank you !!
Thanks PunkSiwwe!
Thanks for that, Curtis!
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I record my grand piano a lot. I'm using 4 rode NT5 microphones, 2 microphone are very close to the piano, and other 2 about 6 feet away. what dBFS should I set?
I would set the input level so that the peaks hit around -18dB.
Thank you Curtis, your videos are very helpful. my new Zoom F8N will be arrived by tomorrow.
1. Which is main difference between F8 and F8n?
1.1. are there Audio quality big differences between F8 and F8n?
2. i have F8, is there meaning to sell F8 and buy F8n?
P.S. - i use Sennheiser MKH 416 microphone and Sony UWP-D11 wireless microphone with this recorder.
Hi Mher, 1) Please see the video on the differences - it is covered there. 2) No, the audio quality is identical. 3) Possibly, if the new features on the F8n covered in the video would be helpful to you. Please note that the software issues covered here for the F8n have been added to the original F8 in a firmware update. So the only difference is the hardware features listed in the video, assuming you have updated your F8 to the latest version of the firmware. Best wishes.
Very interesting! Thank you! 👍👌
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Yo the headphone tones thing makes this more usable by the blind. Yeah that whole recording to the PC and the card at once they kinda borrowed from Sound Devices I'd emagin. For they did that first with the Mix Pre recorders.
Yes, nice that they included the headphone tones.
I want to know how you get all these cool toys before they're even on the market! But seriously, great job on the review.
Thanks! Just trying to share is the way it works, I guess. 😀
You're absolutely right. I had aspirations to get paid to produce videos, but last year someone hired me for a project and I absolutely hated it. I'm so much happier working for the love of it. Maybe the right opportunity will come along some day, but in the meantime, I'm very happy for you and your apparent success.
Thanks for the support. I've learned the hard way that it is important to learn when to say no as well. If you hate the work, then definitely time to step back and evaluate. Good work realizing that before you found yourself seemingly trapped in work you don't enjoy.
Oh cool you got it. Man I so would love to have 1.
Just borrowed it for a couple of days. It's pretty impressive!
Ah cool. I don't know but I think I'duse the new limiters too if I had 1. Hard to hear how much better they really are as you didn't really hit them. Just shout closer to the capsels of the mikes if ya can't really shout. Or hold something loud up to the mike. I use my Jango Fet action figure for stuff like that.
I actually did push the limiters pretty hard as I would in a real-world situation. That's what impressed me. They sound surprisingly transparent in this type of real-world situation. Getting right up on the mic and over-gaining and yelling will sound horrible on all limiters and doesn't represent the real world very well. If I end up in that situation, it is because I did a very poor job setting the gain and a poor job of placing the mic. I hope that makes sense?
Ah okay. Meh I'll have to listen again then perhaps. I didn't hear the limiter limiting. I didn't hear the volume get turned down. But to be fair I was listening last night right quick when I got the vid recommended on my Enspiron 3847's kinda crappy built in Realtek audio so we'll see on Bose.
Can i use f8n firmware directly into my old F8.. to get software based features..
Zoom hasn't said whether that will be possible yet.
Hmm, this and an F-Control are still much cheaper than a MixPre-10T. I look forward to the full review and a comparison.
Yes, nearly twice the price, but there are some things you get or can add to a 10T that the F8n doesn't have: Android remote control app, music plugin for multitrack music recording with overdub and punch in capabilities, and a few other smaller things as well. Depends on how you work and what you work on.
Wow - auto mix. Didn’t see that coming.
Same here, Norm. And it works better than I expected, too!
Curtis Judd Could have used auto mix for the mix pre the other day for a panel discussion - 4 panelists, a moderator and a catchbox for audience. Jockeying those little trim dials was brutal!
Norm Clare yes, I hear that. Panel discussions are the perfect situation for automix. At least we still have remix.
Why is there a DC barrel connector input and a Hirose input?
Not sure but it leaves the operator with options. The F8 was that way as well. But the F4 only has the Hirose input.
Thanks for the reply. I've got the F4 and two connects confused me. I'm glad the F-Control can be powered by the F8n. Seems like it might be a nice upgrade.
ZoomF8n its very impressive. Compare with sound devices Mixpre Series and 633 Series , the sound devices is more threshold and bass on vocal eps on analog limitter. but for the price point Zoom is really good. For me I'll gonna choose Zoomf8n go with Cloudlifter CL-1 and FETHEAD is enough .
Sounds good! Happy recording!
Yay drum corps!!
Woot for drum corps!
Hi I have tha zoom f4 still have 30 days to change i way to release zoom f8n or I keep zoom f4 what you think??
Hi Jose, that's really up to you. My goal is to outline the additional features so you can make a decision on that. I hope this helps a little and best wishes!
Thank you so much you are the best 👍 zoom f4 I used for more to line input because I use my mixer to connect TRS zoom f4 to recording.
I'll be getting the F8n as soon as it is available, as an upgrade from my F4.
But if you're not making money with your recorder, and the F8n being double the price, then the F4 is still a very fine choice!
Sound Speed! Thank you that's true what you say 👍🙏
Zoom F4N coming?
I don't have any inside info on that, but I suspect at some point it will. When it does, I hope it has a better screen.
@@curtisjudd hey are there limiters on par with the Sound Devices Mix Pre 3?
No, not in my opinion. The F8 and F8n's hybrid limiters raise the noise floor by 10dB while the MixPre has hardware limiters which do not raise the noise floor.
@@curtisjudd thanks... That ends that thought. Mix Pre 3 it is.
They should have went down Sound Devices design route and have half the inputs full size combo's and the other half TA3 style - having TC on the bottom of the unit is still a poor design choice ~ Overall though it looks like a good step up from the original.
Thanks for the input Craig.
There are going to be a lot of ultra affordably priced secondhand Zoom F8 originals on eBay soon!
Haha, probably so!
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Excellent. Both your review (as always) and the F8n. I will have to upgrade! Anyone wants a mint F8 in Australia, send me a message! :)
Hey, that's a nice offer for someone looking to get into a very good recorder! Thanks RemekTek Media.
What is the girls name that you interviewed? Does she have a RUclips channel?
That's my daughter and she does not have a RUclips channel. :)
Looks like a great unit! I'm still glad I spent more and got a MixPre 10T though.
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So... MixPre6 or F8n?
There's no universal answer to that from my point of view. It depends on the job and the preferences of the location sound mixer.
4 channels (you lose two channels if you use TC with the MixPre6) vs 8 channels? *AND* the F8n has more features, easy choice! For me at least.
Sound Speed! I see that you are quite a fan of the F series and down on the MixPre. Have you used the MixPre yet? I find that the headphone encoder on the side is frustrating but the channel knobs are better than the F8. So if I’m actually making fader adjustments while recording, I prefer the MixPre series (unless I’m using the F-Control which is a nice option for cart/desk jobs).
Haven't owned a MixPre recorder, but I've seen it a TradeShow and in the store. And I own a Sound Devices 552 (used in front of Tascam DR680 when I needed the extra channels recorded beyond the two of the 552), was my daily driver before I got a Zoom F4. (I own three more pieces of Sound Devices gear as well)
The Sound Devices 552 has even bigger knobs than the MixPre recorders have, and I know back then I might occasionally try to do adjustments during the take, but practically speaking I found that I just shouldn't do it because: a) you're doing it "blind" by feel (you're running a risk you'll grab the wrong knob or change it too much, or even not enough so why bother) & b) you're running a high risk of severely compromising your booming as you're diverting your attention and only doing it with one hand.
Thus overall, adjusting gain during a take is something I believe should only rarely or even never be done.
(the other option here is you're not booming at all, either because you're operating from a cart, or even perhaps you are booming but not for that take because it is a wide. And yes then you can adjust during a take, but because you've got your full attention and both hands then a few millimeters of size either way doesn't make a big difference. Or so she tells me...)
Which is why in the end I'm not as negative about the size of the knobs on my Zoom F4 as some other people are.
Although yes, annoyingly the Zoom F8 has even smaller knobs. But I have used the F8 for a week once when I rented it for a VR shoot, and I found the knob size to still be acceptable, but cutting it fine, if it was say to lose another third of its size then I'd probably draw the line and say this is getting ridiculous!
Headphones level however is something I might sometimes grab at during a take, for my own safety! Either that or knock the headphone cup on my head aside if it has got too loud. Although thankfully this kind of thing is rare. But the MixPre recorders also use theirs to navigate the menu, and that is something you need to frequently access during the day. So it is a pity they hide it away.
The way I see it briefly, coming from a location sound recordist's perspective is:
MixPre3, unacceptably few inputs with only max 3 channels recorded.
MixPre6, if you're running TC you're down to only four channels, which is one more... but basically barely acceptable, if that.
MixPre10T, finally we get to a recorder which is appealing! But its price is now creeping up nearer to the 633/Maxx prices, so you have to stop and ask yourself why settle for a "prosumer" recorder when a professional one is now within reach? Plus the MixPre10T still has a random mixed bag of limitations, such as no pre-roll capabilities, and lacks the cool features of the F8n such as a F control panel accessory or AutoMix.
So at each point along the MixPre series I find it tough to find them a compelling option as my main/only recorder.
However, I am only talking about them from the perspective of someone who specializes in location sound recording, and how they make sense as your main/only recorder.
If you have different needs then perhaps a stronger case can be made for the MixPre series. Maybe you're a location sound recordist who already owns a 688, then the MixPre6 might be a perfect fit for you as a back up / travel / small job recorder. As you always have the 688 at hand for when more than four channels are needed, or more features are needed.
Or maybe you regularly need more than 8 channels (!!!) so the F8 won't cut it and you *must* have ten channels, then sure the MixPr10T could be right for you (although, the MixPre10T like the F8 only has 8x XLR inputs).
Or maybe you're a solo shooter who has to run sound as well, and you are 100% *SURE* you'll never ever need more than 3 channels of audio, and extremely portable size is very important to you then the MixPre3 might just be the ticket for you as the MixPre3 is super teeny tiny!
Something I didn't touch on is price, as it was fairly irrelevant to my points above (except how the MixPre10T creeps up near in price to what a 633 costs), but worthwhile considering if price matters to the buyer:
MixPre3: more expensive than a Zoom F4 (but the MixPre3 records half as many inputs, and has less features).
MixPre3 + TC: more expensive than a Zoom F8
MixPre6: more expensive than a Zoom F8
MixPre6 + TC: more expensive than the new Zoom F8n
MixPre10T: more expensive than the new Zoom F8n + Zoom FRC-8 + iPad Mini!!
I'm a fan. I always like your videos on audio and I've learned a lot. But I think your framing on this "interview" is off. You need some talk space to camera right of your daughter and bit more to camera left on you when you do the interview. Just my friendly 2c :)
Thanks, I agree.
Oh boy! My wallet's about to get lighter!
Oh boy!
Wow automix looks useful
I agree, very useful!
Curtis Judd looking forward to you testing this model more thoroughly. And most importantly, would it be a good or better choice than an SD MixPre line at the same price range
Thanks Raya, that's a tough one - choosing one or the other. If budget is one of the primary factors, I think the Zoom is the better choice - more preamps for the money and the preamps are very similar between the MixPre and F series. I like that the Zoom has a hirose input for external batteries, but it is nice that the MixPre-3 and 6 can be powered with a USB-C battery bank. The MixPre has analogue limiters which are usually superior to digital limiters, but now the Zoom F8 and F8n have advanced hybrid digital limiters which work surprisingly well for digital limiters. The Zoom F series has an iOS (only) app for wireless control, but the MixPre has iOS and Android apps to do most of the same things (not all, no faders, for example). The Zoom's main menu knob/encoder is better positioned for ergonomic use than the MixPre's share headphone/menu knob on the side of the MixPres. The F8/F8n has a proper timecode generator whereas the MixPre 3 and 6 have an input for external generators or they can take HDMI timecode from a camera.
So you can see it is all a toss-up and depends on which features are more important to you and what types of jobs you'll be doing. You can make great sound with either the Zoom F series or the Sound Devices MixPre.
Curtis Judd wow thank you for your insight! For me, a Sound Device field mixer/pre amp is like holy grail, but seeing others, Zoom, namely, coming up with increasingly interesting offering with good price/value, it's getting harder to choose. This answer really helps.
Yeah fellow trumpet^_^. I plan to march DCI as well soon, though this comment is 2 years late lol
It is never too late for Drum & Bugle Corps!
Looks like I gotta sell my f8 then...
Haha! Not necessarily. But the AutoMix and some of the other features are pretty important for certain jobs.
I think you should do a giveaway of the zoom f8n to the first commenter
Good idea, if only it were mine to give! 😉
Sorry, Curtis
No worries!
Nice thumbnail Curtis... :/
Not nearly as nice as yours. Failure on my part. Email in your inbox.