I have the same thought,no just only Sailor Pluto but also other Sailor Scouts' attack as well For example,I like they add more visual effect for World Shaking(eternal version,with the breaking ground and rocks floating around Sailor Uranus due to her attack)but still thinking the 90's is smoother and quicker than the new one
Fun fact: the colour that represents sailor pluto is black. Also love that the eternal version the attack colour is garnet instead of purple since that's saturn colour.
Can’t use tech to cheat the frames. Clearly Pluto needed more animated frames with the clouds of smoke whirling around her and the rotation was choppy af.
Pluto and Saturn got the worst transformation sequence on Eternal. It's sad because Mercury transformation is so beautifully done. And even World Shaking is awesome. I hate how they pick and choose treatment like this
i know this is a year old, it's not that Eternal's needed more frames, it needed better drawings/poses, it has more frames than the 90s in a lot of places, I think the top one is from Stars which used the S or SuperS movie's stock footage which flipped to being on ones and twos (and the original did so as well, but if you slow it down you can see inbetween some of the original's On Twos frames they switched it to On Ones by adding one more drawing between some poses). The 90s however looks or flows a lot better due to the drawings being consistent with the direftion of motion, lighting (the shading actually is based on the light from the energy ball near the end!), the impact frame after the second flash giving it that Oomph, ect ect. Eternal's is clunky, drawings and poses being inconsistent with previous drawing will make it look choppy despite the us amount of frames and it lacks weight... An example of oess can be more: 90s with the spin where it *skips* an entire frame (or drawing/pose in this case, the frame is still there) but the 90s hides this skip by adding a light trail (which is also a smear frame) with the glowing ball, and that trail follows the ball towards the very end and it vanishes accordingly. The skipped frame in conjunction with the trail gives her spin a sense of speed without having to draw a whole bunch. Eternal does this same skip but ignores and doesn't even add the ligth trail, losing that speed and weight and isntead looks chopoy. They also skip a turn when her back faces us so it looks like her glowing ball barely moved, or moving back and forth with no sense of direction. Another example is the hair, not only how it's drawn (very chunky in Eternal with no stringy thinner parts to look like hair), but the reason it curves the way ti does when it covers the screen is because Pluto is *turning* her body. But Eternal ignores this and instead she just zooms out from her face (and is suddenly with no indication, facing the other way), but the hair *still* curves as if she was spinning . So they took the visual cues from the 90s but did not undertsand anything that was happening in it. It's not tech, it's not digital art's fault, Eternal was hand drawn outside the finishing process, it's just the animator, maybe even the director she was a big 90s fan clearly, just didn't undertsand *why* the 90s anime had such good moments in animation despite the limits. The drawins are inconsistent with one another, not just off model (that close up whew), but just posing, line of action being very weak, and sense of direction is all over the place. If Etermal and by extension Season 3 of Crystal (same director) just did it's own thing for once like season 1 and 2 it wouldn't have been as much of a comparison and could probably stand on it's own. All 3 are extravagant and flashy but Eternal feels flashy without like understanding it, flashy for the sake of flashy. if that makes sense.
The new one got the color right. Garnet Orb is supposed to be magenta or maroon instead of purple. Purple is Saturn's color. I don't know why the 90s anime choose purple for that
I think I only grade Eternal/Crystal harder because of the technology of 2020.... The major complaint I have with the new one is the frame by frame skips... I agree with most the Haruka had definite upgrade among the outers
@CRUSHER CORPS Yes, I agree. I was a 90's kid and I feel so fortunate to have grown up in that era. So much good quality anime! It was honestly the best time ever.
There's no need for the extra frames other than the fact that it looms prettier because the viewers mind already fills in the movements mentally. This is a modern method of animating in anime and it also saves money for more important things.
@@soarixchannel5265 It's not a modern method, it's a method thats been used since Disney it's just the amount has changed (and said amount is based on the animator's style, not modernization). As for budget, not really the case. I had heard that Chiaki Kon (the director) said Covid played a role into the animation issues in 2019. You can give a project all the money in the world and it can still fall apart due to production issues (Eternal was delayed back in 2018, and then Covid hit in 2019), crappy scheduling, and sometimes the talent isn't there (not an attack towards the animator here I just mean in general). The lack of frames doesn't help at all in this case, cus it doesn't flow well in some parts. Even the 90s version skipped frames but the posing and the smear used for the ball when Pluto spins *helps* with filling those gaps and the pay off is more frames for the follow through. That smear is missing in Eternal so that sense of speed or motion isn't fully there, not to mention Pluto immeditaly comes to a screeching halt with no Easing or Follow Through (as in that little bit of movement when you stop moving or slow down), it makes it come off clunky and stiff instead of fast (or even comes off as too fast without the elegance). The hair kept moving to try and hide it but she stops too hard.
I'm actually surprised they copied the 90's version of Dead Scream given that in SMC Infinity 3, Chronos Typhoon was based on the first part of the 90's version of Dead Scream. They should've done something more original as opposed to another retrace. But, I did like the changes that they made.
Right??? I'm so mad. It's even more of a slap in the face since there's comments that are like "the older one from the 90's looks better".....like WOWW they literally changed so much of Crystal to appease 90's fans and they still complain. I personally think the Outer Senshi's attacks were ruined because they chose to copy/paste instead of thinking of some new ideas.
THEY DID NOT COPY, DAMN, They only remastered because it's the same story, plus they only remastered because 90s fans pissed off Toei to make Crystal more like the original anime 🤦
@@adamcristianlopesferreira1581 no it's not the same story at a 100% and again most of you have to understand that even if us western fans complain or praise they only pay attention to their Japanese fanbase 🙃. Many liked the old artsyle but despised the animation. They only went with a more 90's style to gather the both 90's who didn't wanted to see crystal and those fans who stopped caring about it after so many inconsistencies.
No, the eternal music is better. You can hear the melancholy in the segment and the "echo" toward the end when she releases the energy ball. Both fit with her theme. The eternal music is way better than the 90's, and I say that as a 90's fan.
I like effect of thunder storm in Eternal but the way she swing her staff to the right and after that look contrast cos after that the staff move to the left... that's weird.
90's ALL THE WAY! It looks more fluid, the intensity is bigger and the colors are brighter. I really couldn't care less about the attack color (people say it's purple and that color belongs to Saturn)... If we complain about the attack color, then Mars attack should be red instead of orange (fire)... Like.. these fans can be annoying. XOXO
So happy this dead scream version was approved by naoko takeuchi otherwise we would be stuck with the previous sucky dead scream from other crystal versions 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
@@yhtsang I did enjoy the music, though! I like this new Outer Senshi theme. Did you notice as well that Pluto had eyeshadow in the original? There was something authentically creepy about the original attack, I loved it.
Yeah the weight of neptunes attack is gone. And plutos doesnt transition well to the smoke becoming the ball World Shaking got an upgrade tho holy shit
the original was better.. but i like the stars version as they gave her purple eye shadow, the only problem was her projectile was solid. the original was transparent and you can see her scepter. Eternal was too ugly with missing frames. i don't understand the detailing for it. her hair didn't have the thin strands like in the original that gave animation soo much character.
The eternal drawings in a LOT of frames are ugly af. in the beginning, when she looks "behind" her with closed eyes, in the 90s anime is just elegant and meditating, in eternal is like a child drawing with aracnos hand and broken neck. And they used that same draw for a lot of frames while smoke, dust and energy swirl around. If you move the cursor you can have a side by side at 0:02. But also in the end of the sequence the drawings are messy and ugly. I cant' stand this remake.
Exactly why they shouldn't have tried to "remake" or duplicate anything from the 90's anime. They could've taken the opportunity to make the attacks look different.
@@reflectingPastChoices you would think. All the comments I see are the ones that say "the 90's version still looks better". Like wow....ruined the whole series for the 90's fans who don't even end up liking it 😂
@@nv2325 That's what i thought from minute one of Crystal. It's a reboot based on the manga, in Crystal the style was so different and they had the opportunity to give a new twist to trasnformation and attacks. Something has been done in crystal i admit, but in ternal it's a frame by frame copy of everything mostly, ad it's so annoying to me, the only thing they really changed is the music and OMG that's boring af
@@AndreaUPl OMG finally someone else feels the same way 😭 exactly what I thought. The music was really bad. Also, I'm kinda surprised/disappointed they didn't use the Tsuki no Densetsu theme when Sailor Moon and Tuxedo Mask transformed into the king and queen....the music they actually used was really lame. I get that Tsuki no Densetsu was overused at times, but it would've been perfect for that scene specifically when they transform because it emphasizes that they used to belong to kingdoms that were beyond one planet alone. The music they used in Eternal just makes them seem like some basic ass old European king and queen. I could go on with what went wrong in the movie including how the senshi were still nerfed and even how Queen Serenity was nerfed....but that's a whole other discussion 😂
I'm still mad they just re-colored the projection sequence for World Shaking for Dead Scream in the 90's anime. I would have loved to see something like ghost-shaped wisps of mist surrounding the planet orb for Dead Scream's projection sequence.
@@umamizaddy They always did Pluto dirty. Like not including Chronos Typhoon in the SuperS movie along with the rest of the Outer Senshi's new Talisman attacks.
Better then Deep Submerging but not as good as World Striking. Still happy with the series/movie. Only differences Id make is do up the 2 attacks to match World Striking, then the crystal transformations Id make it look more like Ami First Love transformation.
No matter what version it is, this attack is still iconic. Saying Death Scream with low and magistic voice
Dead Scream
The older one is better in regards to the forming of the attack. Much smoother with better details
I have the same thought,no just only Sailor Pluto but also other Sailor Scouts' attack as well For example,I like they add more visual effect for World Shaking(eternal version,with the breaking ground and rocks floating around Sailor Uranus due to her attack)but still thinking the 90's is smoother and quicker than the new one
Fun fact: the colour that represents sailor pluto is black. Also love that the eternal version the attack colour is garnet instead of purple since that's saturn colour.
No！それを言うなら永遠の天王星はなぜ黄色または橙色なのですか？背景も赤色ですが？
@『Devil Princess』 yeah it's more magenta or maroon, but it's better than having two purple
Can’t use tech to cheat the frames. Clearly Pluto needed more animated frames with the clouds of smoke whirling around her and the rotation was choppy af.
Pluto and Saturn got the worst transformation sequence on Eternal. It's sad because Mercury transformation is so beautifully done. And even World Shaking is awesome. I hate how they pick and choose treatment like this
i know this is a year old, it's not that Eternal's needed more frames, it needed better drawings/poses, it has more frames than the 90s in a lot of places, I think the top one is from Stars which used the S or SuperS movie's stock footage which flipped to being on ones and twos (and the original did so as well, but if you slow it down you can see inbetween some of the original's On Twos frames they switched it to On Ones by adding one more drawing between some poses).
The 90s however looks or flows a lot better due to the drawings being consistent with the direftion of motion, lighting (the shading actually is based on the light from the energy ball near the end!), the impact frame after the second flash giving it that Oomph, ect ect.
Eternal's is clunky, drawings and poses being inconsistent with previous drawing will make it look choppy despite the us amount of frames and it lacks weight...
An example of oess can be more: 90s with the spin where it *skips* an entire frame (or drawing/pose in this case, the frame is still there) but the 90s hides this skip by adding a light trail (which is also a smear frame) with the glowing ball, and that trail follows the ball towards the very end and it vanishes accordingly. The skipped frame in conjunction with the trail gives her spin a sense of speed without having to draw a whole bunch. Eternal does this same skip but ignores and doesn't even add the ligth trail, losing that speed and weight and isntead looks chopoy. They also skip a turn when her back faces us so it looks like her glowing ball barely moved, or moving back and forth with no sense of direction.
Another example is the hair, not only how it's drawn (very chunky in Eternal with no stringy thinner parts to look like hair), but the reason it curves the way ti does when it covers the screen is because Pluto is *turning* her body. But Eternal ignores this and instead she just zooms out from her face (and is suddenly with no indication, facing the other way), but the hair *still* curves as if she was spinning . So they took the visual cues from the 90s but did not undertsand anything that was happening in it.
It's not tech, it's not digital art's fault, Eternal was hand drawn outside the finishing process, it's just the animator, maybe even the director she was a big 90s fan clearly, just didn't undertsand *why* the 90s anime had such good moments in animation despite the limits. The drawins are inconsistent with one another, not just off model (that close up whew), but just posing, line of action being very weak, and sense of direction is all over the place. If Etermal and by extension Season 3 of Crystal (same director) just did it's own thing for once like season 1 and 2 it wouldn't have been as much of a comparison and could probably stand on it's own.
All 3 are extravagant and flashy but Eternal feels flashy without like understanding it, flashy for the sake of flashy. if that makes sense.
@@stephanos6128 thanks! appreciate more insight. and great to hear well thought out and written.
@@gavreelsonlylove ''saturn got the worst transformations squence'' honey she didn't get one in 90s 💀
Her Face is So Serene, I got chills
時空の星、冥王星を守護に持つ、変革の戦士セーラープルート
Yuu Yoshiyama nailed those Kanada-style effects on Eternal! Makes it seem so threatening
I like the motion of the 90's and comes off spookier, but Eternal has the proper red color.
The new one got the color right. Garnet Orb is supposed to be magenta or maroon instead of purple. Purple is Saturn's color. I don't know why the 90s anime choose purple for that
The colors are more striking in Eternal. She looks like she is attacking from the underworld there, and the garnet is more suitable.
I think I only grade Eternal/Crystal harder because of the technology of 2020.... The major complaint I have with the new one is the frame by frame skips... I agree with most the Haruka had definite upgrade among the outers
Technology for anime hasn't much changed in terms of animation the bulk work of animation is still done on pencil and paper for most animators
I.. don't think you know how animation works.
@@HopesBoomerang A lot of it is digital nowadays yea, but anime for many shows are still done on paper
The old one is so much better. The music though... :)
The Eternal music is better! It has a melancholy tone which fits Pluto very well!
@CRUSHER CORPS Yes, I agree. I was a 90's kid and I feel so fortunate to have grown up in that era. So much good quality anime! It was honestly the best time ever.
Lots of Frames missing. Maybe TOEI didn't want to spend extra money for those frames, so the 2nd half was rushed
There's no need for the extra frames other than the fact that it looms prettier because the viewers mind already fills in the movements mentally. This is a modern method of animating in anime and it also saves money for more important things.
@@soarixchannel5265 It's not a modern method, it's a method thats been used since Disney it's just the amount has changed (and said amount is based on the animator's style, not modernization).
As for budget, not really the case. I had heard that Chiaki Kon (the director) said Covid played a role into the animation issues in 2019. You can give a project all the money in the world and it can still fall apart due to production issues (Eternal was delayed back in 2018, and then Covid hit in 2019), crappy scheduling, and sometimes the talent isn't there (not an attack towards the animator here I just mean in general).
The lack of frames doesn't help at all in this case, cus it doesn't flow well in some parts. Even the 90s version skipped frames but the posing and the smear used for the ball when Pluto spins *helps* with filling those gaps and the pay off is more frames for the follow through. That smear is missing in Eternal so that sense of speed or motion isn't fully there, not to mention Pluto immeditaly comes to a screeching halt with no Easing or Follow Through (as in that little bit of movement when you stop moving or slow down), it makes it come off clunky and stiff instead of fast (or even comes off as too fast without the elegance). The hair kept moving to try and hide it but she stops too hard.
I wish they put more details in the eternal version.
Obviously the newer has a lot less frame drawn.
Can you imagine Ash Ketchum in Sailor Pluto's outfit? Oh well, time for Setsuna to unlease her deadly screaming purple Time Ball.
I actually like the eternal one. You can actually see her release the energy ball with some force.
I'm actually surprised they copied the 90's version of Dead Scream given that in SMC Infinity 3, Chronos Typhoon was based on the first part of the 90's version of Dead Scream. They should've done something more original as opposed to another retrace. But, I did like the changes that they made.
Right??? I'm so mad. It's even more of a slap in the face since there's comments that are like "the older one from the 90's looks better".....like WOWW they literally changed so much of Crystal to appease 90's fans and they still complain. I personally think the Outer Senshi's attacks were ruined because they chose to copy/paste instead of thinking of some new ideas.
@@nv2325 however I still adore Eternal, I love both movies and could watch them for days
THEY DID NOT COPY, DAMN, They only remastered because it's the same story, plus they only remastered because 90s fans pissed off Toei to make Crystal more like the original anime 🤦
@@adamcristianlopesferreira1581 no it's not the same story at a 100% and again most of you have to understand that even if us western fans complain or praise they only pay attention to their Japanese fanbase 🙃. Many liked the old artsyle but despised the animation. They only went with a more 90's style to gather the both 90's who didn't wanted to see crystal and those fans who stopped caring about it after so many inconsistencies.
@@jeshuarestituyo284 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 couldn't say it better.
The Sailor Stars version is the best.
imo they nailed it
Sarcasm?
Everyone: the efects
Me: Pluto's big front head is missing XD
Missing the 90's music too.
No, the eternal music is better. You can hear the melancholy in the segment and the "echo" toward the end when she releases the energy ball. Both fit with her theme. The eternal music is way better than the 90's, and I say that as a 90's fan.
It's missing because 90s dead scream has no bgm.
Bolaaaaa Mauut !!!
I like effect of thunder storm in Eternal but the way she swing her staff to the right and after that look contrast cos after that the staff move to the left... that's weird.
Love this Pluto my favorite
90's ALL THE WAY! It looks more fluid, the intensity is bigger and the colors are brighter. I really couldn't care less about the attack color (people say it's purple and that color belongs to Saturn)... If we complain about the attack color, then Mars attack should be red instead of orange (fire)... Like.. these fans can be annoying. XOXO
So happy this dead scream version was approved by naoko takeuchi otherwise we would be stuck with the previous sucky dead scream from other crystal versions 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
The original was so much better. Other than World Shaking, the other Outer attacks were a letdown in Eternal… 😔
Agree with you.
@@yhtsang I did enjoy the music, though! I like this new Outer Senshi theme.
Did you notice as well that Pluto had eyeshadow in the original? There was something authentically creepy about the original attack, I loved it.
World Shaking and Mars Flame Sniper were the massive upgrades of the movies. The true letdowns were Oak Evolution and Love and Beauty Schock imo
I think Pluto’s dead scream was still nice, deep submerge though, the 90s one was 100times better
Yeah the weight of neptunes attack is gone. And plutos doesnt transition well to the smoke becoming the ball
World Shaking got an upgrade tho holy shit
Where is the aura on the Garnet Ball? Toei Animation????
the original was better.. but i like the stars version as they gave her purple eye shadow, the only problem was her projectile was solid. the original was transparent and you can see her scepter. Eternal was too ugly with missing frames. i don't understand the detailing for it. her hair didn't have the thin strands like in the original that gave animation soo much character.
The Eternals version is very messy, I expected better from modern animation with a movie level budget.
Why does eternal look fanmade lmao
Whats the ost that plays?
I love the accent she haves
The eternal drawings in a LOT of frames are ugly af. in the beginning, when she looks "behind" her with closed eyes, in the 90s anime is just elegant and meditating, in eternal is like a child drawing with aracnos hand and broken neck. And they used that same draw for a lot of frames while smoke, dust and energy swirl around. If you move the cursor you can have a side by side at 0:02.
But also in the end of the sequence the drawings are messy and ugly. I cant' stand this remake.
Exactly why they shouldn't have tried to "remake" or duplicate anything from the 90's anime. They could've taken the opportunity to make the attacks look different.
@@nv2325 but when they do that, the 90s fanbois scream even louder.
@@reflectingPastChoices you would think. All the comments I see are the ones that say "the 90's version still looks better". Like wow....ruined the whole series for the 90's fans who don't even end up liking it 😂
@@nv2325 That's what i thought from minute one of Crystal. It's a reboot based on the manga, in Crystal the style was so different and they had the opportunity to give a new twist to trasnformation and attacks. Something has been done in crystal i admit, but in ternal it's a frame by frame copy of everything mostly, ad it's so annoying to me, the only thing they really changed is the music and OMG that's boring af
@@AndreaUPl OMG finally someone else feels the same way 😭 exactly what I thought. The music was really bad. Also, I'm kinda surprised/disappointed they didn't use the Tsuki no Densetsu theme when Sailor Moon and Tuxedo Mask transformed into the king and queen....the music they actually used was really lame. I get that Tsuki no Densetsu was overused at times, but it would've been perfect for that scene specifically when they transform because it emphasizes that they used to belong to kingdoms that were beyond one planet alone. The music they used in Eternal just makes them seem like some basic ass old European king and queen. I could go on with what went wrong in the movie including how the senshi were still nerfed and even how Queen Serenity was nerfed....but that's a whole other discussion 😂
Sailor Stars version hands down! I wish dead scream had it's own following projection sequence like world shaking and deep submerge.
I'm still mad they just re-colored the projection sequence for World Shaking for Dead Scream in the 90's anime. I would have loved to see something like ghost-shaped wisps of mist surrounding the planet orb for Dead Scream's projection sequence.
@@Nocturne22 Yeah I was surprised by the sheer laziness from the 90's anime.
@@umamizaddy They always did Pluto dirty. Like not including Chronos Typhoon in the SuperS movie along with the rest of the Outer Senshi's new Talisman attacks.
スーパーセーラープルート
The sailor moon sailor stars
90’s has richer colours eternal has missing frames and not that smooth 90’s is smooth and has better quality
変身アイテム
Super sailor pulto
The sailor moon eternal movie
1992: veteran animators working hard 100% in paper 💪🧠
2014: amateur animators working with softwares 👶
Det to, skrim
まったく同じ
Old one is good i m disslike the eternal version
SOme of the moves are still the same but Saturn no.
Really, no mysterious echo in the voice? Animation is ridiculously choppy in Crystal. I've seen fanmade transformations that have more fluidity.
アニメーション
Better then Deep Submerging but not as good as World Striking.
Still happy with the series/movie. Only differences Id make is do up the 2 attacks to match World Striking, then the crystal transformations Id make it look more like Ami First Love transformation.
Yeah, they ruined death scream. Like they did deep submerge
Yeah deep submerge in eternal was awful and Neptune is my favorite but that was just 😖
@@jonjon7330 I completely agree. They just murdered the art of the attack
I like the 2021 now looks much prettier and nicer
電影版
Eternal looks worse than most fanmade attempts.
第三世代
Eternal wins