Why Windows Phone Failed - And How They Could've Saved It
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Oh well imma be the first person to reply
ill be the second to reply.
I’ll be the third 🫡💀
I remember having a Windows phone with a RUclips "app" that was just a link to the YT website
@El Mundo Mobile site was decent for playing. At that time I could listen with the screen off to music, but that free feature's gone now...
Yess, I remember that too. At least I could play music in background.
XD
That's because Microsoft previously developed a RUclips app that was even better than the official one for Android once Google got caught wind of this they threatened to sue Microsoft so because of that the RUclips app was gone.
Actually the original app was awesome but there was some issue (with Google?) which made them change it
The biggest tragedy here is that Microsoft not only failed themselves, but also took down Nokia with them :(
And that they added the tile system to PC. Ewwww lol
@@suryansh4733 Fortunately, Microsoft is in better hands at the moment.
Nokia is actually rising rn
Nokia decided to use Windows Phone OS. They could have used Android but they didn't want to
Like what EA Games did to Maxis and Bioware.
I used a Windows phone man I just needed RUclips that's all....
just go via browser brah
Vftvggvgv n
Preach lol
MyTube was a great app for RUclips. I used a Windows Phone in about 2013...Lumia 625. Great OS, great UI, great phone for the price. And I am saying this as someone who is an avid desktop Linux user since like 2009.
Very much a shame in that they basically killed of Nokia's projects...Maemo might've been a great OS otherwise
@@halcyonoutlander2105 _its a window_
This is a proof that you shouldn't underestimate new competitors just because you're a so called "pioneer"
,💯
Well said
The problem wasn't underestimating the competitors as much as the ability for tech to improve.
At the time, iPhone had a large chance of being a failure. While the first few generations would have had amazing sales, if Apple didn't eventually get to the point where the camera, web browser and media player were "good enough" for a not too expensive price...
But in 2010, Apple did just that. The iPhone 4 reached the level where they were able to be a good enough phone, good enough camera, good enough browser, and good enough app experience.
The tech that was ahead of it's time (meaning tech that existed but couldn't be fully utilized because of the limitations of other necessary tech) finally could shine, because the other tech caught up.
I miss my Windows phone, but yes, the lack of apps sucked!
Windows phone did a lot of things right, but I agree, the lack of apps totally killed it
@@StewartLucrative A better looking UI would've drawn in more users at the very beggining. More users would most likely mean more interest in developers to make apps and games for that OS.
six guns was the best game
Its not all lost they are building core kernel hybrid backwards compatible with Linux..But they can't beat Darwin UNIX anytime soon....less code less processing
Until this day I'm still not satisfied with Android's UI.
Those live tiles were the best thing ever.
I used a windows phone for a year (HTC HD7) and the limited apps was the biggest issue for sure
Hi. How's teddy.
Having superior hardware alone does not win a platform war, Nintendo proved it, Sony proved it and now Apple and Google proved it. If you failed to entice third-parties to develop software and hardware for your system platform then you will simply fail, meanwhile the very same developers will move on to other more lucrative competing platforms.
It was the biggest flaw of WP. But they had outstanding build quality. I've a Lumia 525 which still buttery smooth
My mum has a windows phone, it lacked apps, very incompatible with most web applications, hardly any social media apps, old dull windows 8 UI. Seemed more like a phone for kids than adults
Tech Showdown same
Windows Phone: *exist*
App developer companies: I've never met this man in my life.
The Nokia Lumia series looked incredibly good. I owned one myself. The lack of developers on the software side definitely was the nail in the coffin.
It's not only lack of developers, it is all about M$ keep changing the core of WP OS every 2 years, lies to their consumers, when WP8 is announce, said all WP7 phones can be upgrade, afterward, none of the WP7 devices can upgrade to the 8 OS. 2, 3 years later they announce WIN 10 mobile, said those WP8.1 models can be upgrade... endup, only 3 or 4 devices can upgrade.
I never felt so disappointed with a company. I LOVED, I mean LOVED my Lumia and I tried to hang on to it for as long as I could, hoping it would get more popular.
Same
my lumia was my love. :(
Lumia 1020 have still even Today the best Camera.
@@arziel340 large resolutions arent enough to be the best, it's also about encoding and sensor size snd diaphragm, then there's xiaomi's 108mp if we're on that
Same 😖
2007, Steve Balmer reacting to the iPhone: "that is the most expensive smartphone I've ever seen"
2018, Apple: "just hold my beer buddy"
Developers developers
2007, Steve Balmer reacting to the iPhone: "that is the most expensive smartphone I've ever seen"
2018, Apple: "just hold my beer buddy"
Bongo
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2018, Apple: "That's because you haven't seen the prices of the latest iPhone Xs, Xs Max, and XR yet!"
I used an Iphone the other day for the first time in about 9 years. Peice of shit
You forgot to mention a massive mistake Microsoft made. When they were developing Windows Phone they literally developing two versions that were incompatible with each other. Windows Phone 7 was built on Windows CE while Windows Phone 8 was built on the more advanced Windows NT. When they upgraded to Windows 8 they effectively burned their user and developer base. People who purchased a Windows Phone 7 phone will have a phone no longer supported and developers will have to redevelop their app.
I remember having a costlier lumia phone, which wouldn't upgrade to higher software version, and cheaper newer phones did better. As a user I felt fairly annoyed.
they did this like, twice
I remember having a Windows Phone 7.8 and being pissed that I couldn't upgrade to the more advanced Windows Phone 8.
Oh God, I was so pissed about this!
Spot on!
Steve Jobs rebirthed apple. Steve Ballmer destroyed Microsoft
@Jack Stroup yep, how the tables have turned... apple is more of a mess every year and microsoft's product line more impeccable every year
@@YaroLord Windows is still a mess tho. And will continue that way because Microsoft is now fully invested in the cloud and not the OS
First of all, I am not an Apple fan. IMO, the similarity between Cook and Balmer is they both are non-technical people, both are from the business-administration background. But the difference is Balmer pretends and even showing off he knew the technical matter (and drive engineering to follow him) but Cook did not. You can see in WWDC since Cook took over, he only opened it and let others presented.
But also IMO some product under Cook completely f***ed user experiences, for instance: MacBook PRO without proper useable USB-A connectors (whom PROfessionals were still using). Well, they were very loose in interpreting the word "PRO" in their product.
@@sriramsundar8388 The PRO is whatever peripherals I have, I can easily connect without any f***in adapters. I had MBP 7.1 when I was a freelance photographer (side job/hobby). With that machine I can transfer raw file either using USB cable or stick card directly to laptop. When I need to backup to external drive, I can connect either with USB or FireWire. Also whenever WiFi connection not available, I can connect to RJ45 ethernet cable and with 2 clicks can broadcast a local WiFi. And I'm not f***in alone, My marine surveyor partner, positioning crews, all had problem with design of new (at that time) MBP. All the stuffs you mentioned meant bullshits for us. Who does connect an MBP to 4 monitors? Who is using using USB-C for connecting flashdisk, external HDD?. My nephew has MBP retina 13". He followed my footstep as freelance photographer and (unfortunately) MBP owner. To make a simple raw file transfer the workload is double and he needs to utilize dongle/adapter ffs.
Despite all those idiocies, their steps to ARMed Mac, I highly praised. The closest ARM desktop I have now is Raspberry Pi.
@Jack Stroup exactly
why are all these mobile CEOs named Steve
Microsoft's CEO's name is Bill Gates.
Microsoft's CEO's name is Satya
@@jacobg.witmer was Steve Ballmer
Okay.
because thats a good name for mobile CEO's these days
I used Lumia 640 from 2015-2019. That's 4 years. At time of 2015 l, the android phone used to hang a lot so I decided to go for Windows phone and I loved it. But the lack of apps finally compelled me to switch to android.
Still misses the Windows phone a lot.
vikash kumar Same story here, I miss my lumia 620 whichI used for 3 years
I had the same phone Lumia 640 LTE back in 2016 but the battery swole and almost exploded so got into Android instead
Me too, but I went I switched to iPhone
Only ios can change the world.
@kim kim Not anymore, cause nowadays Apple smartphones is nothing but expensive products with IPS screen and a software that doesn't innovate at all...
I loved the tiles on my lumia . Can change the color , size of tiles . Can re - arrange and the live update feature was so cool along with the dark appearance of OS
Microsoft just lost it
Exactly, the black background ❤️, I loved it , but lack of even basis apps 😓
Personally I didn't really like the GUI but it was clean and quite different from everything else at the time. The app ecosystem sucked donkey butts though.
I just loved adjusting the size of the tiles, etc.
This is exactly what happens when MBAs or finance people run organizations. They really can't see past the sales figures.
Windows phone had a perfect OS, was great to use but the app library was it's let down.
Nah it was Microsoft pulling its head out of its ass four years too late. At that time it was a me too company in pretty much everything it did. The original xbox against playstation 2, (fail), Zune against iPod (fail), Microsoft Band against everything else (fail). As for the times when they came up with something original, they shot themselves in the foot as soon as the race began (MSN Watch, MSN PlayForSure, Windows Phone just to name a few).
Second or third "generation" (windows phone 10) - maybe. But windows phone 7 was the worst os I've ever used, and I am not speaking about apps. Multitasking ? Separate volume slider for media and for calls ? Email application ? Settings menu capable of something ? Ability to get your media not from crappy zune software ? Memory card slot ?
They copied apple approach, but made their OS worse in every possible way. And, just in case - I used it for a month or so, HTC mozart with windows phone 7.5.
The music is scary and very intense and makes me think I’m in an apocalypse
This music is scary to you? Play Resident Evil on the PlayStation / N64 and listen to that music.
Better yet look up Unsolved Mysteries tv program, Amazon prime have the full episodes up. Now that's the epitome of scary music.
House of farts what is that name
Lol I was thinking that too!
We was
"iT dOeSn'T hAvE a KeYbOaRD"
well you don't have eyebrows either.
thrftings or a brain, for that matter
That CEO sucked
Ok?
@@tsrpmaster3201 among us pfp 🙄
@@luclucyy7132 How can you dislike Among Us 😐
The Lumia os philosophy and ergonomy was second to none. What a shame...
It was very much like an iPhone in that it didn't let you have too much control or say in what is actually going on "under the hood". No sideloading, no access to app files (like when an app was storing data like images or whatever, it stored them within it's own private section of storage invisible to everything but itself. Probably a matter of coding, but still), not enough customization options... It's all fine for a "average consumer" but for a more experience tech user it was very limiting.
Still, it's the utter and complete lack of apps that killed it.
@@abadenoughdude300 yes for power user which represent 2% of the total market share.
The lack of app was fatal indeed.
Windows powered phones failed simply because not many developers created applications for it. Unlike android which had big niche in the mobile market.
Christopher Montilla
So , microsoft should have raised salaries of developers to encourage them to creat windows phones’ apps?
I always thought it was because they didn't market to the right crowd. They went for iPhone users and that was a mistake, they should have gone for the corporate people and businesses, making more of a tool and not a fashion item like the iPhone.
Christopher Montilla Android was able to make many more apps due to its foundation of Linux made programming a cinch whereas M$ has always charged crazy $$$ to use their programming
Filip Cordas but companies actually caught on fast to Androids and iPhones both again was due to the open source programming which meant they could develop apps to interface with their existing platform programs which 9/10 was a Unix type.
@@robocoastie That makes a lot of sense. MS could have done much to address that, at least gone down an iOS-ish route.
It's very sad we have only 2 options now IOS or Android.
Vaijanath Madugolkar 3 options:
iOS
Android.....
Housephone🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🙇🏽♂️😂
/bklyn👑
@@kyriegospel 😂
Well wait for Huawei's OS luckily I don't live in the USA
@@ProfSmug it will be Android like fire OS...
@@ProfSmug it will fail because no one will buy it even if it has Android apps lel
I remember back when Lumia came, almost everyone I knew had it (I live in Finland and Nokia is Finnish so that's pretty much given that Finns support Finnish companies), but it somehow escalated quickly. First everyone had it, suddenly you started to hear complaints for the lack of apps and support and then you'd start hearing "Yeah, I changed to apple/android". It was a bizarre time as we were quite proud to see Nokia rise again yet suddenly it fell to its early grave.
Windows Mobile OS is to this day the smoothest and best looking 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
I agree!!
i disagree
Lol😂
It is also to this day the shortest lived OS so, apparently, either the world didnt agree or didnt care.
@@claudiowenzel6416 "shortest lived os"
Bada OS and Tizen OS: Are we a joke to you?
I am still using my Nokia Lumia. Battered up. Fallen lots. Solid. Shame the app support is shocking.
Are you also using a horse to get to work
No @@imGenji on foot. Maybe worse than horse. I love that little phone. After watching this I bought a new back cover (green) to give it new life (current case is cracked and sellotaped. Works well and had been dropped many times. I do not want to give it up. I come close to buying a new phone but hate the fact my current phone works so don't want to replace it. Only gripes are the app store and camera quality.
950 gang here. Still alive and using it as my daily
Same here. My Lumia 930 is still going, though she's looking rough and doesn't run too well at night anymore.
The camera quality is actually not too bad at all, and it has features (such as the qi wireless charging) which flagship phones from even 6 months ago lacked.
I just wish I could get a brand new replacement battery for her, to get her another 3 or 4 years of life.
My lumia 800 is still going strong too. I gave it to my dad.
EDIT
It should be noted, that WP10 development is still going on until at least the back end of 2019, so it's not quite dead yet.
Lumia 520 here. For what I use (whatsapp; maps; music player and fitness tracker), serves me well even today
I loved Nokia Lumia phones. It was good hardware and software, but all too late and too little.
True I even liked the UI but it was the lack of apps that killed it
True. I love the UI
@Suning Starseeker I sure hope so. I totally prefer Windows gadgets to any other n I dread not having my Win Phone ever again. tech life without it right now is pretty unsatisfactory.
Symnian is GOD ! Hohoohohohooho dead Symbian , sucks
I also agree, Windows phone was very responsive and i loved the dark, uncomplicated OS. But the lack of basic apps stung too hard to ignore. Honestly, in a world of Web Apps it probably would have been better for it to come out now so they could just use web versions of any app that wasn’t going to immediately receive a native version. A lot easier and more realistic for app developers in the short term anyway, and they don’t have to fully commit to a windows phone environment anyway.
I loved my windows phone. Still have it in my draw at home, every now and then I turn it on and go through it, such a shame it failed man it was such a good operating system:(
They removed Here Maps and I jumped out. That was the mistake they made, A smartphone without a good app for maps is not a smartphone.
That was literally the greatest navigation app ever made. Even the iOS app isn't as good
Microsoft Maps pretty much absorbed Here Maps. It's apparently still being updated as the version I just fired up now (I still have my Lumia 950, though it's not a daily driver) is copyright 2019
@@supersquare Still a great app on Android now. It's called Here We Go now.
Who tf uses maps?
@@mimo-zw9wj people who want to go somewhere.
RIP Windows phone.
Nokia is running on Android now
But Chinese phones built on Samsung's components are much better than nokia android.
Not the same Nokia though 😢😢
It's not Nokia, but a different company that bought their name. Nokia wen't bust after Microsoft let them perish.
It's HMD Global now.
I'm using an android Nokia
as a kid i absolutely fell in love with Lumia, i'm very sad that i couldn't own it since i was too young to even have a phone lol. to this day i still think it has the best phone design of all time.
RIP Windows Phone. 2008 - 2014. Such beautiful UI, yet so little apps.
True
Ikr! I loved the UI. So much better than Android imo.
My first smartphone was a Lumia 920. I've been salivating for years for a palmtop with cellphone capabilities ever since 2000, and now I finally got one. RIP Nokia, RIP WPhone7.
Well I hated the Windows phone for one reason -- it was very hard to use/ setup. In typical MS fashion there wasn't, for example, one place to turn off mobile data. No, there was about four different, buried locations to seek out before that could be done! Also, the huge pulsing tiles did my head in too. But imho what really killed the MS phone was MS trying to copy iphone instead of leading innovating themselves. Well that and the fact that MS have a lot of hubris -- they could have copied Google phone (and played the market share game that way; like they did with Windows vs Mac OS) but hey MS thinks that they are market leaders and have to jump right in there!
@@drugsilove2364 As for Nokia, the Nokia phone continues to stand (although via HMD as the 'sub-contractor' of sorts) nowadays. Come 4 Dec 2018 Qualcomm is known to officially launch the 855/8150 SoC & day after i.e. 5 Dec 2018 in Dubai, 3 new Nokia phone models known for official launch by HMD...i won't be surprised at all if the 3rd model on the list were to use the 855/8150 to get the ball rolling into the 5G era with top class Zeiss cameras as the standard equipment in the top end Nokia phones, as per Nokia tradition. As for keyless touchscreen phone design, Nokia did have working units of such phones around 2005 before the 1st Apple phones were launched. It appeared Nokia deemed it 'pre-mature' back then to produce for mass sales...rest is history.
Watching this in 2018 is like opening old wounds. I miss Windows Phone :-(
I still got one, the very last one Nokia made Lumia 720
I just switched to Android last month, my Microsoft Lumia 640 XL is still working very well anyways
Joe Morales Still missing Windows Mobile 6.x . Far superior to it's successors. But instead Microsoft removed all backward compatibility with existing apps and hardware. Converting apps was near impossible. The MS appstore had all the restrictions of Apple's AppStore with no benefits. Same for apps designed for Nokia's systems (Symbian and Maemo). Microsoft's last ditch "fix" was a system for porting Windows Phone apps to Android and iPhone, not the other way around. They also kept artificially preventing ports of apps from other Windows systems.
I still use one as well. Lumia 530, little cheap Windows Phone 8.1 device, but it's nice.
I really miss my Lumia 650 though, but the screen broke
Me too
6:56 Symbian had a great successor Touch OS which was really well made and achieved great ratings but ladies and gentlemen, Stephen Elope and Ballmer were the people who destroyed Nokia
Edit: Meego OS
The late versions of symbian was 100% better than early android.
It was a great device. I loved my windows phone, however due to the little to no apps I brought an iPhone. And I miss the live tiles and it’s different home screen layout.
You forgot to mention that google didn't allow to develop apps like youtube and google maps for the LUMIA. They didn't want any competition, the lack of popular apps was a big reason LUMIA failed
Wouldn't that be Illegal?
Windows phone was the reason Lumia failed... Even my old Nokia E5 had more features than the mid range Lumia device I used for like 4 months before I ditched it for a real smartphone with Android
@@Coolsomeone234 In theory, but Microsoft tried to make a RUclips app for Windows Phone 7 and Windows Phone 8, even gave the credit to Google, but Google still sued them
Google strategy: dont let them use the google stuff and they will switch to android
Apple Strategy: SUE THEM FOR HAVING SQUARE PHONES
Microsoft startegy: none
I used to use Google Music Play through the browser on my Windows Phone (Lumia 920), then one day all i would get is page telling me to get the Google Music app, which didn't exist on the MS app store, they were literally redirecting me to the Google Play Store.
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I miss my Windows Phone so much. It's such a great phone with too much potential if it just wasn't for the lack of apps.
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I had a Windows Phone for a year. and I loved it! It was a Lumia 735. I really liked it, and I liked the way how Windows 10 Mobile worked. But the apps... That was the main issue.
I rather liked the exclusive apps for WP... also liked how my phone would auto reply to texts while i was driving and it wasnt an application I had to download, it was a setting in the phone. Every phone should have this option :(
I loved that phone, I gave it to my sister in law later that year and purchased a nexus 4 which was amazing.
Same. Had a Nokia Lumia 520 & then, Lumia 640 XL. The functionality & navigation was something I loved & still miss to some degree. But the lack of apps (& lack of updates for the apps available) gave me no choice but to switch to Android.
Apps weren't actually the issue. It was your overriding desire to buy what the other people around you had. Because you are a follower. That is the real problem. That is why Sony and HTC pulled their phones from the US. Because everyone wants what someone else has. The US is just a sea of iPhones and Samsungs. They don't really even know why they copy. They just do it. Look at the phones of twenty people in a day. It will only be Apple and Samsung
@@francisgilbert6982 It's not just about copying or wanting something just cause others have it. When you have a technological device under different brands, you buy what would be the most optimized device for you & what offers the most choices because that's the whole point of technology. Otherwise, why even buy it in the 1st place? And no matter the reason, in the end, Windows didn't offer those options.
If there's A, B & C, and A & B clearly offer much more options than C, what are you likely to choose? And if you clearly don't care for apps & think it's joining the bandwagon, then the best option would be a flip phone, right? But how many people have that, even in India?
I actually really liked my Windows Phone, genuinely one of the best interfaces I've come across. Sad to get rid of it.
Still use mine
@@thadiusthudpucker Same! Sadly won't be able to for much longer.
Oh why? May you explain.
yeah. I can imagine installing driver on windows phone.
@@kura4058 i liked the windows phone too... especially nokia lumia. it had the best interface i have seen so far & very interesting tile setup. it could have been easily best phone by now which can be directly integrated to your windows PC's now & seamlessly on work front. sad to see it die
I loved my Windows phones, used them from 2013 to 2019 after four years of growing to hate iOS and it was honestly so much better. Even to this day I'd gladly take the Windows phone UI over iOS or Android if I could run it on a modern Android phone. The integration of disparate apps into intuitive hubs was both visually and functionally superior to anything offered today. The Facebook, Skype, SMS, and other messages you exchanged with someone were all combined into a single conversation in the messaging hub. All messages, emails, calls, social media posts, and other updates from a specific contact were shown in the People hub. Everything worked together as a cohesive OS instead of a mess of apps.
The 2014 era was amazing with Lumia. I just got one after so many years and the update just destroyed it.
2:08 these 2 nations lived in harmony, then everything changed when the windows phone attacked.
window phone just like angry mob or something.. not much of threat
I really wish they wouldn't have failed. They were great in the initial years.
@@parvharia484 kit Kat was a game changer...I had WM for a long time I wouldn't go back to mircosoft at that poinyw
Hmn those 525 days of mine weren't that bad tbh considering that time
@Timmy P i had a Samsung Omnia which I used as my work phone for around 2 years. Back then Windows Phone (along with Blackberry obviously) was what all the corporate guys used to buy.
I had a Windows phone, and to this day it is my favorite mobile os in regards to ui. If it had just slightly better app support I would've stuck with it. Official, updated social media apps would've been enough for me.
my dad had one... I know Ruzzle was available, but real messy , probabably automated coding ... the buttoms and text where often partly out of screen...
I sometimes needed my android app to just tell me dad where to click for some buttoms...
but main screen en standard app's seemed great.
Had Microsoft just made sure the top20 apps where GOOD available, like hangouts, whatapp, instragram, youtube, and so,
and some specific no-nonsence apps like flashlight back then being on android only with an add-in-app version for free... It would have had it's place for users looking for a good device and little or no nonsence with it...
My mom still owns a windows phone from nokia lol
Same
I am a apple user
I've never used one. What's it like?
Armaan Gupta its very nice, but it has no apps that is the problem
Just sayin
If the windows phone was optimized enough It would honestly be my daily drive phone rn
Another major miss was the Zune. I had one and loved it. They could easily have done a Zune Phone running Windows Phone. That they didn't still continues to be a major headscratcher.
imagine being the CEO of Microsoft and did a great job with your own company’s growth but 10 years down the road everyone just made fun of you for 1 bad call.
Alex Dodge those decisions come with alot of pressure, some folks just wouldn't understand.. He's only human
The company is still rising in value. With their cloud services curated for businesses and government agencies they are on a good path. And Bing, surprisingly is a cash cow.
One bad call ! i guess Windows 8 was a good call for you ? A good call would a been to develop silverlight to provide a full UI on top of WIN32. Instead he try to force devs to invest time to a completely new OS.
Omega Man listen big nerd that isn’t a 40billion dollar mistake is it (40B is what gates said at a forum)
One bad call is all it takes when it costed billions and then completely losing a market where it dominated the past decade losing more billions. Shows how slow, reactionary and out of touch the current mamagment is
I understand that as a fan and still a user of Windows Phone I'm biased, but there was so much detail missing towards the end of the video. No mention of Windows Phone 8 or Windows Mobile 10. No mention of the good adoption rates in Europe and how Microsoft ignored that market. No mention of how scraping the OP twice and starting basically over is what hurt it the most. How Google did it's best to stop it's services from working on the platform.
These are some of the factors that should have made it into the conclusion.
thats very true which has made google become a mobile phone monopoly because if your mobile phone OS cant run any 1st party Google apps then your screwed and google did tons of damage to ensure that Windows phone didnt become a market leader such as making sure that Microsoft's RUclips app wouldnt work and they even purchased the company that microsoft licensed technology from that allowed microsoft to have NFC tap to pay built in which is why there is an empty settings page on windows 10 mobile
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Short answer: Lack of apps
Windows phone is so cool tho imagine having a Samsung s20 with windows 😂😂
Yessssss
Trust me, it could perform like new for years if Microsoft and Samsung made windows phone
@@shubhangbhavsar samsung actually made windows Phone, I recall my friend had it.
I honestly think the Microsoft sould've spent on apps instead of nokia, as a result they would have good os for which manufactures would have paid, and as microsoft was a giant then, they could do it better than google
I think the purchase of Nokia was to ensure they could get phones onto the market with Windows Phone installed on it - no amount of paid for apps would solve the fact no manufacturer wanted to install their OS onto them.
@@bluechang08 they could just partner with everyone then
Microsoft were already making tons of apps especially when windows phone 7 launched. here are some apps:
Hydro Thunder Go - Exclusive
Hexic Rush - Exclusive
Hyperlapse Mobile - also on Android and possibly iOS?
Office Mobile - also on Android and iOS
File Browser - Exclusive
GeoDefense/GeoDefense Swarm - also on iOS as a 32-bit app
All of these are on the microsoft store and have some sort of microsoft affiliation to them.
It was plot of Stephen Elop.
@@bluechang08 or maybe they could manufacture their own phone like apple ?
Well app support was the only thing that let down windows Phone os.
The phones were great,!
Ziess optics lens, fluid interface, solid build, yeah the colours of the phones as well.
For us yes but for OEM's it was that they charged roughly 15usd per phone to use their OS they should have made it free like Android!
I do not disagree with you that they needed to pay app makers to make and support popular apps for windows phone (and buy extension Windows 10!) rather than wasting money buying Nokia!
The new Nokia 8110 looks awesome. The banana phone, litterally, because it's available in yellow.
The colors were the thing that attracted a lot of people that I knew. They were different than the regular smartphones that were mostly black. A lot of people who used phones from the early to mid 2000's always complain about every phone nowadays looking the same, and I can see why.
The transition with the ad at the end was Gold! This guy is a Pro 👍
imagine a new windows phone software with fluent design 😍
Yes but it will be better if they will launch that phone with nokia lumia design
(Sorry for my bad English grammer)
Windows Phone is so sad. I still have my Lumia 925 somewhere and I occasionally turn it on just to marvel at the amazing UI. In all fairness to Android, I would argue that WP has better design.
I agree. I use the Squarehome launcher so at least my home screen looks like it. But it's only the home screen unfortunately..
You argue?? The Windows Phone OS was a rocket compared to a carriage ( Android)
Yeah I had a WP for about 2-2.5 years... my favorite phone easy, I miss it.
@@HenriZwols i also use square home 2 launcher. Perfect replacement for a Windows phone user
I agree with only if you're talking about Windows Phone 8-8.1, Windows 10 Mobile screwed it all.
Steve Ballmer:
When you become a billionaire because you were Bill Gate's room mate
Le phat oof
Yes exactly. I like Windows, but Ballmer was nearly the death of it
Gates got rich by stealing other people's work so...
So u think steve didnt?
Lucio Innocenzo if it wasn’t for Bill Gates you wouldn’t even have Apple as it is. Steve Jobs went to Microsoft for their OS and Bill Gates helped them. Bill Gates has been a visionary and is a great man, leave him alone.
I like how you used Transformers Dark side of The Moon ost for your video. Very nice. It's a variation of it but the name is Sentinel Prime
Love the slides must have taken you some time to edit this video in after effects? I guess.
i loved micrsoft os but limited app was the biggest problem
*Microsoft
*app selection
Not only that, but MS was constantly playing catch up in terms of features such as control centre, multi tasking etc, MS also was more concerned with releasing their products on Android over their own platform (office suite), they also lied about certain phones getting Windows 10 update.
rajvardhan chauhan I loved Microsoft phones my problem was the App Store it was so limited with no support by Microsoft at all.
@@judneg06 Not entirely true, MS did release tool kits that allowed developers to easily port over both Android and iOS apps to Windows platform with very little code changes. Unfortunately, wasnt successful.
I used several lumia phones before (710, 520 and 525) the smoothness was just astounding although the specs were considered low at the time.
Momo, 3 expensive phones ? you are a very rich african.
@@PHlophe actually it was not that expensive compared to another flagships
@@PHlophe Models that start at 800 and above (except the 1320) as well as the Icon are considered flagships by Nokia and MS.
Coz they support nokia while Samsung was boosting up hardware n google was upgrading software. That duo makes android win. Other manufacturers made cheap android phones
There is still nothing smoother than a Windows Phone. Dazzling to the eye, flowed like water.
Loved my windows phone and how well it integrated with my pc. The lack of apps was unforgivable.
For nostalgia sake I want lumia back
Amazing video .Very insightful 💯
Windows Phone 8 is still the best phone OS ever made, but they slowly killed it by removing the features that made it incredible
Wp 10 is even better believe me
@@adityaarya1056 the calender app in wp10 is absolute garbage compared to wp8.1 though. Honestly If a social media tech giant like fb got their hands on the UI for windows phone 10 the game would be over for android and ios
😂😂😂 grapes r sour 😂
SquareB0t close but that honor has to go to webOS for how much it changed smartphone UI and account integration as baked in the OS. The way we multitask, grab all our accounts for easy login, and even the visual cleanliness of smartphone UI...it comes all from webOS. It’s incredible how much the OS was ahead of its time.
I gotta say back when WP 8.1 had the integrated FB and Twitter features and the ability to see everything under the people tile, THAT WAS EVERYTHING! I was so bummed when they changed it.
i had a nokia lumia 925 for about 2years, i really loved the UI of windows phone, but the lack of apps was a big issue for me. could've compete in todays market if microsoft wasnt that greedy.
Microsoft were never really that greedy, or they were no more greedy than either Google or Apple but where Microsoft messed up is they were simply just late to that party.
They could have easily been where Google is right now and just made contracts with various hardware manufacturers at a good rate but by the time it came up to the plate, it was too late.
The cost of developing the hardware for mobile had tripled in the short space of time between 2008 and 2011.
Many hardware manufacturers had established markets that used google OS, asking they to change would be asking them to restart their markets.
I mean if Samsung s30 or whatever it is comes out with a new OS and ditch Android, Samsung's stock would nose dive into the abyss.
So by the time Microsoft came to the party, the drinks were too expensive and all the girls were taken, there was the ex beauty queen who's lived that life a bit and she's had her time (Nokia)... but it was the best Microsoft could get, or rather by that point, the ex beauty queen was the ONLY girl left for Microsoft to partner up with.
The rest is all history.
same here :( (Lumia 1520)
It suffer from a lack of apps but also missed out on the opportunity to build a better bridge with windows OS for the computer as well as a Dreamcast type connection to their Xbox console
I remember I liked the dynamic app interface on win-phones very much. It felt mature comparing to ios and android which looked childish to me. but as you mentioned it, the lack of developer killed it in the cradle....
Yea i had a Nokia windows phone, it was one of the first phones to have NFC and wireless charging but there just wasn't any apps.
Not having youtube and having to use third-party apps was just way too much.
Well, they did had NFC but it didn't work to "beam" stuff to android.
I remember using it to connect to my car radio.
@@konatadesuka Only thing I used it for was those stupid NFC stickers.
@Tournel Henry I can't remember my exact reasoning but it was for sure annoying me.
Oh yes, the stickers but thanks to lack of software support... they did nothing on WinPho.
I pinned a RUclips shortcut to my screen, how hard is that? I tap it and RUclips opens and I'm logged into my account.
Windows Phone had the best looking UI/ Home screen until this day. It's a real shame they failed.
WoW never seen a transition from content to AD that smooth.
Short answer: The lack of apps
I love how the guy transitioned from the content into Dashlane advertisement. Glided like butter.
the moment he said passwords around 9:50 i noped out
not subtle enough
Even though he glided like butter he killed the vibe there
Just like Linus Tech Tips
@@YaroLord same
I got confused...the way advert. got infused...😀😀😀
Also, when they announced WP8, WP7 users were really disappointed by the fact that their phones cannot be updated to WP8. MS lost tons of users bcz of that as well while they were struggling in the market and desperate for more users.
Totally agree. They left us nowhere to go. What? You mean I have to buy another phone? See you later Microsoft.
@@alanmodimages it happened twice with Windows 10 mobile. Lots of people couldn't upgrade and we're left behind...
@@58585050 and even if your phone could upgrade (mine did) apps were not longer available and developers had to create new apps for windows 10m, and windows 10m itself didn't work properly.
Honestly windows smartphone died the moment w10m was launched.
When Microsoft goes to touchscreen after learning from the failure of Physical Keyboards,
Creates Windows 8,8.1,10 completely optimised for touch
Windows phone was my first time playing a sonic game.
I never realized the future/past wasn't zone 2.
Steve Ballmer now has an Iphpne. He tries to hide it at Clippers game because he laughed at the concept of an IPhone back in 2008 not being applicable to business users but now he secretly possesses an IPhone X S max for personal use. It doesn’t reflect well on Microsoft when their top guy is using Apple products but he couldn’t resist.
If he secretly possesses an iPhone, how do you know?
People are saying the same thing about headphone jacks.
In 10 years no one will care, we'll probably have wireless charging earbuds with 40 hour battery life
No sound loss, will completely replace wired.
Who the hell would be embarrassed of something from 11 years ago. Everyone doubted the iPhone, it’s not like he was being arrogant
he isnt the CEO of Microsoft anymore, Satya Nadella is and he is reviving the company and also rumors are going everywhere about a "Surface Phone" that might bring Microsoft back on track
Why would Ballmer have an iPhone? It doesn't even have a full keyboard!
How ironic that I'm still using my Microsoft Lumia 640 that I bought 2 years ago, to watch this video. Its all bumped and bruised up but the hardware still clangs on. That's the good thing about windows phone, even though it lacks developed soft wares, the hardware quality is still genuinely tough.
Well we are in 2018 there's great Android phones for les then $250 like really good phones.
yeah i just got a spam from dominos on my 640.i got one of those army tank cases for it off ebay.hasnt skipped a beat.and how many apps does one really need.
2 years? You're way too behind.
Are you bragging that a 2 year old phone still works?
@@rumble1925 Nah man. I'm just fascinated about the fact that this video talks about diminishing phones that I continue to use. Maybe it really is time to get a new one. Lol
Thinking will the Harmony OS performs Good?
2007: iT d0eSnT h4V3 a K3Yb0aRd uWu...
2017: Where is my money?
2021: *nokia go brrrrr
I used a windows phone and the limited apps drove me insane
I miss using my Nokia Lumia. Windows Phone actually is a much better OS then.
Android 4.3 and up HD incredible UI.
Yes, Windows Phone felt so much better to use then iOS and Android. I would trade up my Note 8 for a supported Windows Phone
Yes i love it because of the simple and fancy UI tiles that can flip over. And also windows os is lighter than android.
@@NootNoot947 I use Square Home launcher to bring the windows phone nostalgia back on Android.
that Sentinel Prime score in the background is perfect
I used the windows phone from 2014 to 2019. I used the lumia 520 in 2014, Lumia 830 in 2016, Lumia 435 in 2017, Lumia 640 XL in 2018 that I still have working normally today. I liked this system more and I was sad when it ended
Steve Balmer is part of the reason Microsoft failed in the mobile market.
no he isnt. Steve Ballmer did lots of things right its just that external forces from google killed off their mobile business.
Ballmer is from paper pusher background and MS is not an innovating venture but a conservative East Coast company.
He is the main reason
had LUmia 920. Great Phone god battery, well built, good camera... OS was easy to use. apps is what killed it.
"Is there a toaster that also knows how to brew coffee? There is no such combined device, because it would not make anything better."
It's insane how dumb this statement is for a CEO of a multi billion dollar business, and that's not just with the benefit of hinesight. Just because having a multi-functional device is impractical in one scenario, doesn't mean it's impractical in every scenario. Yes I would like to have my music collection and my phone on one device with a big screen and a good Internet browser, because I don't want to carry around more than one device, thank you.
I think the Blackberry guy was on to something, I'm surprised that style of phone disappeared, they should've made their phones out of gold and silver and sell them as a premium brand like Rolex. If there was a (good) phone like that today I'd probably buy one cause they're so cool to me and I hate touchscreen keyboards.
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*Again: IT'S ALL ABOUT THE CONTENT! That's why PS4 sold more than the Xbox. In this case, Windows phone lacks the apps that android and iOS has a ton of*
This is about Windows Phone, not Xbox.
Data Grab I reckon xbox next gen will sell more, cause microsoft is pairing up with a tonne of game companies
@@Blakearoberts it's not that's simple, Playstation have more fans more people are used to playstation. Alla so xbox one software is shit...only good with xbox one is the control and ea access..rest i think PS made better..so Microsoft really need make changes I think.
Xbox lacks of new exclusive games
Simon it’s legit the same apart from games and physical attributes
I have a friend who swore by Nokia & Windows phone os. Used to laugh at us Androiders. He now uses a 6.3 inch Samsung with Android Pie.
Your friend was right, its just that Microsoft in its stupidity, blew it.
@@crazycoolclips Steve Ballmer was behind times. Good thing Satya Nadella came along... I just wish it'd happen sooner and maybe we'd still have windows phones. Although technically we still have with the surface duo.
I was like your friend. We really believed in the Windows Phone project.
That was a big issue back when I was phone shopping around 2014. There were hardly anything in the app store on the Windows Phone. It was very tragic.
The Title should be “why we all knew windows phone was going to fail”.
I grew to love my Windows phone ... After the many many months it took me to learn how to use it. It was almost sort of amazing.
Why don't they freakin open source their code. it would certainly create a huge community of people who have existing phones and who want to maintain it themselves. It wouldn't have been a total waste as it would help innovation and humanity to have another Opensource OS!
Microsoft was nearly THE public enemy for open source community back then. Had Windows Phone OS open sourced would not help them IMO
a lot of the code is proprietory so that things such as the Microsoft Store isnt hacked and users exploited but a lot of it should be made open source
They can't. Selling Windows on PC is their key business
Code Rag its not be the same windows than the pc version..
胡昕 their position to open source has changed. This would be a huge thing to win the hearts of passionate developers & communities. Look at the success they have with vscode.
Owned a Windows 950xl,
Great UI, and probably had the best camera ever
I had a lumia 520 when I was a uni student and I used to love Windows Phone so much! I still do but the lack of apps was definitely a bummer. But the interface was slick and the phone, despite being extremely low cost, was much smoother than other android phones in the segment. I would love to see live tiles in iOS or android someday. And no, widgets aren't the same as live tiles ب_ب
Never cared for live tiles because when I had my lumia I couldn't afford to waste my limited transfer on tile updates, but I can see why someone would want this gimmick. It was an awesome budget phone and I really remember it fondly, desptie having to fight it over everything. ;)
Even the apps that were native to Microsoft/Nokia were downgraded over time , Skype and Here (Nokia) maps were both sabotaged.
Here maps btw have a feature called "live sight" for 8.1 windows phones that is years ahead of its time and the proof is that it still hasn't appeared in any new smartphone 4 years after its appearance in windows
Then you get youtube app made better than the android one and it gets blocked by google..
Still superior and beautiful O.S. no matter what
Oh yes… Live Sight. I remember. Great times, when I used to think, my Lumia was the future...
Yes Nokia maps was absolutely revolutionary on the windows phone and now I have it on my Android. The also had an amazing music app they pulled after only having the phone for 6 months Nokia Music 🎶
You can also thank Microsoft for features like the glance screen and dark mode (Which is just now being implemented in Android and there's no sign of it yet for iOS)
It was Balmer's fault. When the iPhone came along he laughed at the concept. Android came along he still sat on his thumbs. He came into a developed market of people who were already quite happy with their choice of phones/OS. He had no apps. He literally had nothing NEW to offer either iPhone or Android users. If you want to break into a market that is already saturated you need to offer something to make you stand out as something new. Something the competition can't do. And they didn't. The Zune died the same way, people picked their products, and the device gave nobody a compelling reason to switch.
Indeed, pride goes before a fall.
I still have my zunes. I wish they would have taken off instead of flopping
Not true, he had lots of new stuff in the hardware (always on screens, wireless charging, high quality camera usually only seen in actual cameras) and software department. If there was truly nothing new about WP then it wouldn't have taken Android four years to catch up and Apple wouldn't still be behind.
When android 4 came out. It exploded. I remember when I got a cheap tablet that got android 4 and yes. It wasn't even close to my mate 10 pro right now. But it was so advanced. Android 4 is more advanced than IOS 12. And that's not a joke. Android 5 did suck. The design wasn't complete and it was too heavy for the older phones that gor upgraded from 4 to 5. Than 6 came out. It was Great in design. And really a nice fresh UI. Stock android 6 is still nice. Than android 7 came. Worthless just a little bit more security so you can't root. BUT the ui did got a huge boost in speed. Oreo came. This is now the best UI for a mobile device ever made. 9 is now coming and a friend of me has a a2. I used it and I have to be honest. It sucks. It's really heavy vs Oreo. Altough the design is great. It's heavy. And Huawei should stop with their UI. Same for Mi.. They aren't beautiful at all. I hope Huawei makes the UI being lighter in android pie. If you readed this far gimme a like
I switched from my iPod Nano 2nd gen to a Zune HD. The HD radio and non-DRM songs in the Zune store were the big factors in making the switch.
The greatest humiliation they have is funeral for other phones .When in fact they attending their own funeral for their downfall .
I like this youtuber for on reason. He put the sponsor at the end!
I really wish the windows phone would have worked. I really want another ecosystem to use.
I love Windows phone
I have one
Blackberry
nicholas collins blackberry🤷🏾♂️
Kenneth Persad they’ve got bad reputation in a mobile market, I don’t think they’ll ever do anything with smartphones