I think one of the reasons people aren’t playing tank and healer is how they’re treated by other players. As far as designing goes, tanking is pretty easy and healing can be really frustrating. And the difficulty of both roles are dependent on how the rest of the group performs, too. Why can be very bad and toxic
I can't say I agree that tanking is easy, but I get what you mean. Tank does have good agency on how dungeon goes as the tank (for the most part) controls what is pulled and when, so they can pace themselves, but I will agree that as a Healer you're very much at the mercy of the rest of your group, because if the group doesn't kick bolt spells, people will start dropping no matter how much HPS you can push once you get into a high enough key level. I just think it's too punishing right now and that's why people have checked out even earlier than usual for S1 of TWW, hopefully it'll be tuned better in S2, otherwise this will happen again most likely
I made a tank specifically because my guild had a hard time pugging them. Ive never played tank before but its honestly not too difficult in lower keys. I can get away with no pressing any bif defensives and just make do with my active mitigation. Thats obviously not the case in higher keys but thats not a bridge im willing to cross right now lol
@@HaloEchoe419 Keep at it! My advice is progress up the difficulties so you get used to it and build your confidence. One of the big issues I've seen is people jump into things they aren't ready for psychological, they get destroyed and it leads to negativity. It's also a symptom of people wanting instant gratification and not wanting to take the time to actually progress the character. You'll learn better and enjoy it more, too!
@@Definitely_Not_Vlad My stance is that the act of tanking isn't that hard once you figure it out, but I agree with you that the dungeons and overall tuning is way too punishing. And yeah, healers have it the worst by a pretty big margin. I also hope Season 2 will be better.
yeah its mainly about the DPS players who for example dont help with affixes, or they eat a frontal barely survive it and then die to a random cast .... and their defense is shouting at healer to heal them faster
You are a good teammate. I am a frost DK and literally don't worry about anything but myself. Pretty wild to realize there are other things going on around me hahaha
I try to be! Utility's there to be used, but that being said I could really work on the whole DPS thing as well. I had the same issue with Enhancement when I did that series, too many totems and dispels and CC opportunities, cost me a lot of DPS, hahaha
I use AutoCut in Premiere to get rid of silences, then I slap it into Movavi to add any on screen graphics or transitions because it's just easier for me. Could probably do everything in Premiere but I just can't be bothered :D
im sure you got this bro dont forget to switch between earthshock and earthquake aoe and st cause your echo of great sundering talent :) and you wanna always use storm ele with asendance stormkeeper
I've been doing that more or less, it's just that things desync and sometimes I just straight up don't have enough time to use the full opener on packs You can see that the great sundering buff is being tracked above my Earthquake and that I almost always consume it. Sometimes I let an Earthquake rip without the buff up but that's just brainfarts because I'm still pretty new to it
Oh that's part of Narcissus, it shows you that little icon for how many set pieces you have and hovering over it will show you that. The addon does a lot more than just that though, so could be a bit of bloat, but a nice addon either way!
I have 4 characters (3healer 1 tank) i mostly play keys between +8 and +15 with and for each of that keylevel i get like 40 DPS applications before the first valid tank queues (acceptable itemlevel and m+ score for the key level). If i dont want a DK or monk tank cause of reasons its like 80-100 DPS queueing into my key before i get a tank i want to play the key with. That are numbers some DPS players should keep in mind and think about rerolling/respeccing into tank or heal
I get where you're coming from, I'd like to just add that those are also numbers Blizzard should keep in mind as well. Tanking is in a really bad shape and Healing is no better. You have to take on way more responsibility for way less fun in a PUG environment. It's a lot better with some premade group members on coms, but in pure PUGing it's pretty harsh
I enjoy delves but their usefulness were gone so fast. I got almost all achievs in week one like a madman and the only thing missing is Brann on 60. Mine is on 59 with about 70% xp. But every delve now only gives him about 5% and by now I cba doing them anymore.
@ awe gotcha I misunderstood wat you were saying my friend my apologies keep up the videos one of my two favorite zero to hero tubers you should make a na character and chill with us noobs with ur melee dos char lol
No problem at all! Gearing on a fresh account would be rough, I have so many discounts and other things in my current account, but maybe I set something up near the end of the Season when things are really dead :D
Rotation on aoe is mainly spam chain and when you proc tempest and lava use it and on more than 2-3 targets 100% only earthquake this is it. You are casting too much lava burst out of your totem window which is not needed on aoe. On single target don't cast earthquake only earth shock mainly spam lightning bolt. And i think you will be more successful if you try this. Love the content keep going.
Gotcha, will try to stop casting as much Lava Burst in AoE, other than proccing Primordial Wave I run Echoes of the Great Sundering, so weaving Earth Shock into Earthquake is a must, otherwise I'm wasting a lot of damage. It's so much damage that it's even worth using in Single Target if the mob/boss is standing in it the full duration
Just give us LFG for M+ keys 10 or below imo. Waiting that long for people to apply to your own key just for them to end up leaving anyway because you can't get a tank or healer quick enough is so demoralising. At that point you're actively wasting your time and money on this game if your main focus is M+.
I'm assuming you mean solo queue M+ when you say LFG for M+. I think that might just make it worse potentially by fragmenting the playerbase between the group finder and the matchmaking system
@@Definitely_Not_Vlad No, I actually think they should just do away with keys entirely for anything below a +10 but still retain the M+ system of increasing difficulty, having timers, affixes, etc. Create a solo queue matchmaking system for M+ 2 - 9, locking each M+ tier behind an M+ rating before you're able to queue for it. Rating increases when you time a dungeon as normal, with more rating gained depending on how quick you timed it. Duo queues with a friend will also be possible as long as both players meet the rating requirement. After you reach, let's say 2200 rating doing this, you're able to speak to an NPC to obtain your +10 key, which will be a random dungeon pick as usual. This is when players need to start forming their own groups. Creating and joining the groups will be locked behind the aforementioned 2200 rating. Your rating will increase as per normal for timing +10 keys and above. The 10 key can't be depleted, but will be removed from your bags upon the weekly reset if you don't manage to time it, at which point you talk to the NPC again for a new key. All keys above a +10 will retain the current depletion mechanic. The current system of forming and joining groups for these lower keys is awful, tedious and time consuming before you get a full group going. And let's be real here, anything below a +10 in this current M+ season really isn't that difficult and doesn't require specific or meta group comps, this is why I suggest +10s and above being the threshold for forming your own groups. This would also help significantly with paid carries, which to me, is a massive problem in this game and I hate how the current systems in WoW encourages and supports it. This ended up being long-winded, lol. Cheers for reading if you bothered to, but I really just hate the current M+ system. It needs a serious shake up, otherwise it's just going to be less and less appealing to people who enjoy M+ but don't have a full group to run with and rely on LFG.
That's a hell of a cook! I did read the whole thing. I think the issue is that every character you make would have to grind through the absolute slog that is M+ solo queue to hit 2200 rating. So not only are you having to go through the gearing process, you can't even skip through it with friends helping you out with 7s for Hero gear or anything like that. To make it alt-friendly by making the 2200 unlock account wide would be weird because you can do the 2200 grind on one class that has an easy time carrying like Prot Paladin, but then you can skip it for something you might suck at and then not go through the improvement you would otherwise get from the 2200 grind. And ultimately, if you and 4 friends want to do +5s just to have fun on a bunch of rat characters or something, you can't anymore, and expanding the queue to 1-5 people just turns it into LFG again. I can foresee a lot of other issues with this kind of system, but those are the ones that stand out to me the most as I think about it now
It sounds like you're having fun but are frustrated with the queue times which is true for pretty much everyone. I can also tell you're a very casual player who doesn't seem to have knowledge about pulls in deungeons and a lot of other mechanics but for a 4 level dungeon you don't need to and the game should just be for fun. I commend you for your efforts to be a good teamate and trying to use your utility but your tank was actually pretty good you just don't understand the dungeon or mechanics nearly as well as he/she does, and then I can hear in your voice your frustration with the tank who in this case is way above your comprehension in skill level and is probably actually fruatrated with your group but will end up being blamed for others mistakes or misinformation about what are good practices in dungeons. Don't give up on your utility for the group is much more important to success than a little bit more dps. Those players who don't contribute anything but dps are hilding themselves and others back and will have lower success rates than players like you who try to contribute more than just a dps bot.
The staggered pulls after 1st and 2nd boss were irritating, but I wouldn't say I was at any point frustrated with the tank, who I in the end praised as a good one. If you heard frustration in my voice, it was in your head, I was just overwhelmed while trying to commentate, execute my bloated DPS rotation and use my utility at the same time on pulls that don't last anywhere near long enough to do any of it. Just a note on your condescension about my game knowledge, I've hit 3k multiple seasons on tank, healer and DPS and know the ins and outs of S1 TWW dungeons by now having timed at least a +10 of every dungeon on every role. Instead of just making a claim that I'm clueless about the routes and mechanics, you could actually make a point about why if you wanted to give actual constructive criticism and not just be a snide prick. Your backhanded compliment of "You suck but keep at it champ" is rude at best, so hey, while your attempt at talking to another human being may be stiff and stilted, don't stop trying, maybe one day you won't make people's skin crawl with your shitty unsolicited advice.
@Definitely_Not_Vlad bro I also commended you at the same time. I like your content and the frustration and condescension that you see in my post isn't directed at you, more puggers in general. Everyone has more to learn in a dungeon, no one knows it all because efficiency changes as new strats are discovered. I apologize for you catching some of my venting but you should also be willing to accept that you are not a pro, i'll just leave it at that and say happy new years and keep up the good work.
Love it when I come home from my night shift and I see you uploaded! Loving the series!
Happy to hear it, I'll keep it coming (:
definitely my favorite m+ series to watch
So happy to hear this! I'll keep it coming, appreciate it a lot
I think one of the reasons people aren’t playing tank and healer is how they’re treated by other players. As far as designing goes, tanking is pretty easy and healing can be really frustrating. And the difficulty of both roles are dependent on how the rest of the group performs, too. Why can be very bad and toxic
I can't say I agree that tanking is easy, but I get what you mean. Tank does have good agency on how dungeon goes as the tank (for the most part) controls what is pulled and when, so they can pace themselves, but I will agree that as a Healer you're very much at the mercy of the rest of your group, because if the group doesn't kick bolt spells, people will start dropping no matter how much HPS you can push once you get into a high enough key level.
I just think it's too punishing right now and that's why people have checked out even earlier than usual for S1 of TWW, hopefully it'll be tuned better in S2, otherwise this will happen again most likely
I made a tank specifically because my guild had a hard time pugging them. Ive never played tank before but its honestly not too difficult in lower keys. I can get away with no pressing any bif defensives and just make do with my active mitigation. Thats obviously not the case in higher keys but thats not a bridge im willing to cross right now lol
@@HaloEchoe419 Keep at it! My advice is progress up the difficulties so you get used to it and build your confidence. One of the big issues I've seen is people jump into things they aren't ready for psychological, they get destroyed and it leads to negativity. It's also a symptom of people wanting instant gratification and not wanting to take the time to actually progress the character. You'll learn better and enjoy it more, too!
@@Definitely_Not_Vlad My stance is that the act of tanking isn't that hard once you figure it out, but I agree with you that the dungeons and overall tuning is way too punishing. And yeah, healers have it the worst by a pretty big margin. I also hope Season 2 will be better.
yeah its mainly about the DPS players who for example dont help with affixes, or they eat a frontal barely survive it and then die to a random cast .... and their defense is shouting at healer to heal them faster
You are a good teammate. I am a frost DK and literally don't worry about anything but myself. Pretty wild to realize there are other things going on around me hahaha
I try to be! Utility's there to be used, but that being said I could really work on the whole DPS thing as well. I had the same issue with Enhancement when I did that series, too many totems and dispels and CC opportunities, cost me a lot of DPS, hahaha
21:58 we graduated from "thingy thing with the stuffy stuff" to "BIG thingy thing with the stuffy stuff"
Gotta be able to differentiate between them after all
Oh no disc is now yied with Pres (146 votes each)
Odd question but what is it you’re using to edit these videos? I like the editing style 🔥
I use AutoCut in Premiere to get rid of silences, then I slap it into Movavi to add any on screen graphics or transitions because it's just easier for me. Could probably do everything in Premiere but I just can't be bothered :D
im sure you got this bro dont forget to switch between earthshock and earthquake aoe and st cause your echo of great sundering talent :) and you wanna always use storm ele with asendance stormkeeper
I've been doing that more or less, it's just that things desync and sometimes I just straight up don't have enough time to use the full opener on packs
You can see that the great sundering buff is being tracked above my Earthquake and that I almost always consume it. Sometimes I let an Earthquake rip without the buff up but that's just brainfarts because I'm still pretty new to it
@@Definitely_Not_Vlad youll get there its just muscle memory :D
love the vid, whats the addon you used to show the increase dps%?
I'm not sure I know what you're referring to, could you give me a timestamp for it so I know what you mean?
@@Definitely_Not_Vlad Yeah for sure sorry, at 5:33
Oh that's part of Narcissus, it shows you that little icon for how many set pieces you have and hovering over it will show you that. The addon does a lot more than just that though, so could be a bit of bloat, but a nice addon either way!
I have 4 characters (3healer 1 tank) i mostly play keys between +8 and +15 with and for each of that keylevel i get like 40 DPS applications before the first valid tank queues (acceptable itemlevel and m+ score for the key level). If i dont want a DK or monk tank cause of reasons its like 80-100 DPS queueing into my key before i get a tank i want to play the key with. That are numbers some DPS players should keep in mind and think about rerolling/respeccing into tank or heal
i would rather delete wow
@@shadrsabirov6412 then you have to deal with competeting with like 100 people in terms of score, ilvl and class to get a invite.
I get where you're coming from, I'd like to just add that those are also numbers Blizzard should keep in mind as well. Tanking is in a really bad shape and Healing is no better. You have to take on way more responsibility for way less fun in a PUG environment. It's a lot better with some premade group members on coms, but in pure PUGing it's pretty harsh
I enjoy delves but their usefulness were gone so fast. I got almost all achievs in week one like a madman and the only thing missing is Brann on 60. Mine is on 59 with about 70% xp. But every delve now only gives him about 5% and by now I cba doing them anymore.
They're pretty nice for brand new chars to grab some champ and hero pieces right off the bat, but it's such a slog
So I don’t think stats on ur gear before cata matters it’s a set stat you get wen it’s turned into “teir”
They don't, but I was focusing on which set of stats I'd keep if I catalyze the other. Ended up with more haste overall with how I went about it (:
@ awe gotcha I misunderstood wat you were saying my friend my apologies keep up the videos one of my two favorite zero to hero tubers you should make a na character and chill with us noobs with ur melee dos char lol
No problem at all!
Gearing on a fresh account would be rough, I have so many discounts and other things in my current account, but maybe I set something up near the end of the Season when things are really dead :D
Rotation on aoe is mainly spam chain and when you proc tempest and lava use it and on more than 2-3 targets 100% only earthquake this is it. You are casting too much lava burst out of your totem window which is not needed on aoe. On single target don't cast earthquake only earth shock mainly spam lightning bolt. And i think you will be more successful if you try this. Love the content keep going.
Gotcha, will try to stop casting as much Lava Burst in AoE, other than proccing Primordial Wave
I run Echoes of the Great Sundering, so weaving Earth Shock into Earthquake is a must, otherwise I'm wasting a lot of damage. It's so much damage that it's even worth using in Single Target if the mob/boss is standing in it the full duration
I mained BM Hunter in S3 and once I broke 3k IO any single rating key would take me 2-3 hours of sitting in Q
Yeah, people get pickier and pickier as rating ticks up, that's for sure
You say GD sooooo much my guy
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Range dps needs 2 categories, with and without hero. Queues are very different.
Except for bm. Feels harder to get in to a key as bm than it is for a dh and WW. Weird
What would it change about the series though? More footage for me to cut out between runs? (:
DPS queues are abysmal.
Yeah, it's pretty miserable most of the time, and I'm lucky the community voted for a lust class, if I wasn't one it'd be so much worse
Just give us LFG for M+ keys 10 or below imo. Waiting that long for people to apply to your own key just for them to end up leaving anyway because you can't get a tank or healer quick enough is so demoralising. At that point you're actively wasting your time and money on this game if your main focus is M+.
I'm assuming you mean solo queue M+ when you say LFG for M+. I think that might just make it worse potentially by fragmenting the playerbase between the group finder and the matchmaking system
@@Definitely_Not_Vlad No, I actually think they should just do away with keys entirely for anything below a +10 but still retain the M+ system of increasing difficulty, having timers, affixes, etc.
Create a solo queue matchmaking system for M+ 2 - 9, locking each M+ tier behind an M+ rating before you're able to queue for it. Rating increases when you time a dungeon as normal, with more rating gained depending on how quick you timed it. Duo queues with a friend will also be possible as long as both players meet the rating requirement.
After you reach, let's say 2200 rating doing this, you're able to speak to an NPC to obtain your +10 key, which will be a random dungeon pick as usual. This is when players need to start forming their own groups. Creating and joining the groups will be locked behind the aforementioned 2200 rating. Your rating will increase as per normal for timing +10 keys and above.
The 10 key can't be depleted, but will be removed from your bags upon the weekly reset if you don't manage to time it, at which point you talk to the NPC again for a new key. All keys above a +10 will retain the current depletion mechanic.
The current system of forming and joining groups for these lower keys is awful, tedious and time consuming before you get a full group going. And let's be real here, anything below a +10 in this current M+ season really isn't that difficult and doesn't require specific or meta group comps, this is why I suggest +10s and above being the threshold for forming your own groups.
This would also help significantly with paid carries, which to me, is a massive problem in this game and I hate how the current systems in WoW encourages and supports it.
This ended up being long-winded, lol. Cheers for reading if you bothered to, but I really just hate the current M+ system. It needs a serious shake up, otherwise it's just going to be less and less appealing to people who enjoy M+ but don't have a full group to run with and rely on LFG.
That's a hell of a cook! I did read the whole thing.
I think the issue is that every character you make would have to grind through the absolute slog that is M+ solo queue to hit 2200 rating. So not only are you having to go through the gearing process, you can't even skip through it with friends helping you out with 7s for Hero gear or anything like that.
To make it alt-friendly by making the 2200 unlock account wide would be weird because you can do the 2200 grind on one class that has an easy time carrying like Prot Paladin, but then you can skip it for something you might suck at and then not go through the improvement you would otherwise get from the 2200 grind.
And ultimately, if you and 4 friends want to do +5s just to have fun on a bunch of rat characters or something, you can't anymore, and expanding the queue to 1-5 people just turns it into LFG again.
I can foresee a lot of other issues with this kind of system, but those are the ones that stand out to me the most as I think about it now
It sounds like you're having fun but are frustrated with the queue times which is true for pretty much everyone. I can also tell you're a very casual player who doesn't seem to have knowledge about pulls in deungeons and a lot of other mechanics but for a 4 level dungeon you don't need to and the game should just be for fun. I commend you for your efforts to be a good teamate and trying to use your utility but your tank was actually pretty good you just don't understand the dungeon or mechanics nearly as well as he/she does, and then I can hear in your voice your frustration with the tank who in this case is way above your comprehension in skill level and is probably actually fruatrated with your group but will end up being blamed for others mistakes or misinformation about what are good practices in dungeons. Don't give up on your utility for the group is much more important to success than a little bit more dps. Those players who don't contribute anything but dps are hilding themselves and others back and will have lower success rates than players like you who try to contribute more than just a dps bot.
The staggered pulls after 1st and 2nd boss were irritating, but I wouldn't say I was at any point frustrated with the tank, who I in the end praised as a good one. If you heard frustration in my voice, it was in your head, I was just overwhelmed while trying to commentate, execute my bloated DPS rotation and use my utility at the same time on pulls that don't last anywhere near long enough to do any of it.
Just a note on your condescension about my game knowledge, I've hit 3k multiple seasons on tank, healer and DPS and know the ins and outs of S1 TWW dungeons by now having timed at least a +10 of every dungeon on every role. Instead of just making a claim that I'm clueless about the routes and mechanics, you could actually make a point about why if you wanted to give actual constructive criticism and not just be a snide prick.
Your backhanded compliment of "You suck but keep at it champ" is rude at best, so hey, while your attempt at talking to another human being may be stiff and stilted, don't stop trying, maybe one day you won't make people's skin crawl with your shitty unsolicited advice.
@Definitely_Not_Vlad bro I also commended you at the same time. I like your content and the frustration and condescension that you see in my post isn't directed at you, more puggers in general. Everyone has more to learn in a dungeon, no one knows it all because efficiency changes as new strats are discovered. I apologize for you catching some of my venting but you should also be willing to accept that you are not a pro, i'll just leave it at that and say happy new years and keep up the good work.