Hi Ben, great lecture. Thanks. I love the KID. But I am one of those that you mentioned in the lecture. I do both "plays all the same moves no matter what white plays" and "only knows it so far then just plays legal moves". LOL. Clearly, I am not very good at it and my record with it is not very good but I hope to start figuring out the different lines. There is a great young NM that has a youtube channel, Robert Ramirez, that loves the KID/PIRC and has many videos on it. Cheers!
isnt the leningrad dutch just better then the kings indian defense? I mean, regarding, you want to play f5 in the KiD anyway. So you dont lose that time with the knight jumps in the leningrad. Or is that to simplified of a view?If yes, why? Thanks in advance :D
This is a really funny question because objectively kid is better opening then the dutch. Yes you play f5 in kid but you do so most of the times when the center is already locked, in dutch on the other hand you play f5 on first move and white can answer with many things so its not like you get same positions as in kid, where you win tempo because you did not have to move knight, no you get completely different positions.
f5 is good when white closes the center cause by closing up the position and by giving up so much space queenside and middle you gain some dominance kingside. In the leningrad if you push every pawns kingside white should be able to open up everything middle and punish you, where in the kid they can't do that. They have to survive the attack long enough to win queenside. It's 2 very different openings. Also the kid isn't about playing e5 and f5 every game, you can get plenty of structures where you don't care about f5 : maroczy bind, benoni, benko, exchange structure and boleslavski wall. Ideally you have to be ready to play all of these structures in which most of the time you don't need f5.
@@nikamumladze8220 Which is why the Stonewall is objectively better than both the Leningrad and KID, because you ensure the center is blocked and also you don't have to give away your intentions from move one. Carlsen agrees and has beaten Anand and Fabi with the Stonewall as black. Fight me.
@@nikamumladze8220 This is a metaphorical and tongue in cheek definition of "agrees" (hence "fight me") but I'm not 100% certain he disagrees. I mean probably he does, because at the super GM level the stonewall probably is too rigid compared to KID, but it's certainly not losing for black even at the super GM level, which is more than you can say for many things that aren't commonly seen at the super GM level. Anyway, he did indeed defeat Anand and Fabi with Stonewall as black in slow games; that part wasn't tongue in cheek. Stonewall is incredibly underrated nowadays, at all levels. Actually the more I think about it the more I'm not sure Stonewall isn't objectively better. It depends strongly on which move order we're talking about (are we excluding anti-Stonewalls or aren't we?) , but even though it's more rigid, the Stonewall doesn't automatically cede the center like KID does.
12:35 9...c6 is considered to be fine, 10.Nxe5 Re8 11.f4 !? (11.0-0-0 +=) h6 12.Bh4 g5 13.fxg5 hxg5 14.Bg3 Nbd7+= (or 14... Na6 with more forcing crazy stuff).
If you think Ben is talking funny, and you notice carefully, half of his upper lip seemed to be not moving like it was numb. I wonder if he went to the dentist that day. The tooth hurts!
@@sameash3153 lmfao ah yea, the same. Amount of saint that Jesus was, causing plages and not lifting a finger to help anyone in need bc it’s all fabrication, he shelters everyone from chess, doesn’t want anyone to learn, all he does is bitch about twitch streamers that are better than him Showing people how to play better.
@@Bossnnot oh wow, u get a pointless reward that will go in the trash once ur dead? Wow that’s amazing I hope he has 50 of those pointless Trophies bc got knows he can’t get a gf
I really enjoy your videos. I do watch most of them. Except the ones that promote political stuff, those you could leave out. I try to ignore those and still watch.
Lol the "political stuff" is making fun of Donald trump, who broke all of his promises in office and then tried to install himself as a post-democracy regime when he lost an election. You're probably not made for this game if you're getting offended over trump jokes.
this has aged like fine gold
Underrated 😂
the random kid asking "is it f5?" when that had nothing to do with the joke got me rolling
“Trying is the first step to failure” 💀 14:25
Ben I just want you to know that watching these reuploads is helping me sleep
You and me both
I thought that i was the only one... Ben cured my insomnia. I listen to him daily.
How far into the video did u get before u realized u’ve seen it before? 🤣🙏
before starting
Not complaint btw - the more often I see this the better 🤣🙏
I saw all of Ben's lectures multiple times before I was born
@@nimzomitch Terrible, just terrible 🤣
Very suspicious 👀
Hi Ben, great lecture. Thanks. I love the KID. But I am one of those that you mentioned in the lecture. I do both "plays all the same moves no matter what white plays" and "only knows it so far then just plays legal moves". LOL. Clearly, I am not very good at it and my record with it is not very good but I hope to start figuring out the different lines.
There is a great young NM that has a youtube channel, Robert Ramirez, that loves the KID/PIRC and has many videos on it.
Cheers!
lol, I thought you meant Ben when you said "I love the kid" (which I read as "I love that kid")
I cite, "The truth hurts" often, and I always credit you, Mister Finegold.
I came here due to chessbrah and good lord this is very different and useful in other ways. 👍
Broooooo just in time!!
I just sit down to eat
'im grand master ben finegold and you are not' lmfao
I'm glad he cleared that up for me. I wasn't sure.
He got that from Gene Simmons.
I thought it might be f5 as well except for one thing.
Great lecture
Max Euwe had a great influence on this opening.
the only thing better than one gm ben finegold is the two gm ben finegolds during that sweep around @0:55
AT 43.27 the best move is d5, right!?....( I was genuinely waiting for this confirmation when that kid suggests the ethereal move f5 lol ffs)...
sweet
What do you do against the Pirc defense as white?
Suffer I hope 😅
Do these lectures have an associated pgn anywhere?
Love it
isnt the leningrad dutch just better then the kings indian defense? I mean, regarding, you want to play f5 in the KiD anyway. So you dont lose that time with the knight jumps in the leningrad. Or is that to simplified of a view?If yes, why? Thanks in advance :D
This is a really funny question because objectively kid is better opening then the dutch. Yes you play f5 in kid but you do so most of the times when the center is already locked, in dutch on the other hand you play f5 on first move and white can answer with many things so its not like you get same positions as in kid, where you win tempo because you did not have to move knight, no you get completely different positions.
f5 is good when white closes the center cause by closing up the position and by giving up so much space queenside and middle you gain some dominance kingside. In the leningrad if you push every pawns kingside white should be able to open up everything middle and punish you, where in the kid they can't do that. They have to survive the attack long enough to win queenside. It's 2 very different openings.
Also the kid isn't about playing e5 and f5 every game, you can get plenty of structures where you don't care about f5 : maroczy bind, benoni, benko, exchange structure and boleslavski wall. Ideally you have to be ready to play all of these structures in which most of the time you don't need f5.
@@nikamumladze8220 Which is why the Stonewall is objectively better than both the Leningrad and KID, because you ensure the center is blocked and also you don't have to give away your intentions from move one. Carlsen agrees and has beaten Anand and Fabi with the Stonewall as black. Fight me.
@@vigilante8374 carlsen agrees that stonewall as black is better than kid? Is there a video where he says so?
@@nikamumladze8220 This is a metaphorical and tongue in cheek definition of "agrees" (hence "fight me") but I'm not 100% certain he disagrees. I mean probably he does, because at the super GM level the stonewall probably is too rigid compared to KID, but it's certainly not losing for black even at the super GM level, which is more than you can say for many things that aren't commonly seen at the super GM level.
Anyway, he did indeed defeat Anand and Fabi with Stonewall as black in slow games; that part wasn't tongue in cheek. Stonewall is incredibly underrated nowadays, at all levels.
Actually the more I think about it the more I'm not sure Stonewall isn't objectively better. It depends strongly on which move order we're talking about (are we excluding anti-Stonewalls or aren't we?) , but even though it's more rigid, the Stonewall doesn't automatically cede the center like KID does.
12:35 9...c6 is considered to be fine, 10.Nxe5 Re8 11.f4 !? (11.0-0-0 +=) h6 12.Bh4 g5 13.fxg5 hxg5 14.Bg3 Nbd7+= (or 14... Na6 with more forcing crazy stuff).
Best Intro
If you think Ben is talking funny, and you notice carefully, half of his upper lip seemed to be not moving like it was numb. I wonder if he went to the dentist that day. The tooth hurts!
he got a cool gaming chair..
0:55 1900, thats not too bad
Somebody just yelled in my ear ya that’s right lmfao he’s so funny
Hey how are ya, hey how are ya
Not sure if it’s an issue with the recording or my headphones but to me it sounds like Ben has a lisp the entire video
Uhm...
21:20 NEVER play f3 🤣
Hi chessbrah fans
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@@Gush27 kings indian speedrun
@@Xbotto I loved their KI speedrun! 👍🏽
First!
..except for one thing..
kings indian always wins
😅... I ,
Never play the Saemisch Variation.
Why
Frankly.... Ridiculous
Is it f5 haha
enseignement chaotique et non structuré... donc inutile
Don’t forget just bc ur good at something doesn’t mean ur a good person
Although, look at it this way. Sometimes you get the Hikaru Nakamura sportsmanship award for it.
finegold is a saint
@@sameash3153 lmfao ah yea, the same. Amount of saint that Jesus was, causing plages and not lifting a finger to help anyone in need bc it’s all fabrication, he shelters everyone from chess, doesn’t want anyone to learn, all he does is bitch about twitch streamers that are better than him Showing people how to play better.
@@Bossnnot oh wow, u get a pointless reward that will go in the trash once ur dead? Wow that’s amazing I hope he has 50 of those pointless Trophies bc got knows he can’t get a gf
@@lilrollie3642 found the bad person
I really enjoy your videos. I do watch most of them. Except the ones that promote political stuff, those you could leave out. I try to ignore those and still watch.
Lol the "political stuff" is making fun of Donald trump, who broke all of his promises in office and then tried to install himself as a post-democracy regime when he lost an election. You're probably not made for this game if you're getting offended over trump jokes.